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Week 7 CBS SPORTS BlogPoll Ballot (FINAL)

This is the final product, after considering the suggested revisions to the draft.

This is not a power poll.  I don't attempt to rank teams based on how good I think they are.  I only rank teams based on their resume.  The poll is designed to be dynamic.  I try to start from scratch every week.  I do attempt to reward teams for "quality losses", while punishing them for bad performances.  I do not give excessive credit for stomping horrible teams.  As always, I want your help.  Keep in mind though that I don't want "team X is way better than team Y."  I do want "team A has a better resume than team B, you should make the change."  Power poll rankings are dumb.  The teams ranked 1, 3, 4, 13, 20 all lost to lesser ranked or unranked foes this past weekend.  I do not consult major polls when doing this.  Their record of futility is clear.  Let the teams earn their rankings on the field.  I try to remove as much subjectivity as possible.  This system is not perfect, but it is the best we have right now.

RankTeam
1 Alabama
2 Texas
3 Penn State
4 Oklahoma State
5 Florida
6 Southern Cal
7 Utah
8 Oklahoma
9 Boise State
10 Georgia
11 Virginia Tech
12 North Carolina
13 Texas Tech
14 Missouri
15 California
16 Wake Forest
17 Ohio State
18 Michigan State
19 South Carolina
20 Georgia Tech
21 Vanderbilt
22 Minnesota
23 Pittsburgh
24 TCU
25 Florida State
Dropped Out: Mississippi (#23), Kansas (#25).

Close: Kansas, Oregon, Ole Miss

Note: LSU and BYU can jump into the poll with wins.

I welcome your thoughts as always.

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USC?

Not sure exactly what you are looking for from the readers, but heres my thoughts.

USC is ranked way too high. I would say this about the legit (not that yours isn’t but it just isn’t worth much to the BCS). Now, I’ll admit forhtright, I don’t like USC. There is just something about them that erks me. With that being said, I will grant them the win over Ohio State (who 1) laid a HUGE egg 2) without their star), but wins over a 3-3 UVA, 5-2 Oregon and 2-4 ASU isn’t very impressive. I can’t fault them too much for playing in the Pac-10, but I can fault them enough for a loss to a 3-3 O.State (that isn’t very good) to knock them out of the TOP 10 and put Georgia and maybe Utah over them.

Also, a 19th ranking for South Carolina who really has NO quality win and 2 losses to SEC opponents is also high. Good work though at tnation. Keep it up.

Also,

by UNFNOLE on Oct 15, 2008 4:06 PM EDT reply actions  

Excuse me

Meant to say " I would say this about the legit polls as well "

Maybe I should preview before I just hit post.

by UNFNOLE on Oct 15, 2008 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Let's take a look at this

First, I can’t make revisions to this one until next week’s edition. Drafts come out on Sunday/Monday, and must be finalized and submitted by Wed @ 10AM Eastern. Obviously, with out new signups, I should do a better job of pointing this out.

I like that you brought up Georgia. Since we’re committed to resume ranking here, let’s compare their resume’s:

USC GEORGIA
Crushed a very good Ohio State Team
Crushed Oregon 44-10
Crushed AZST 28-0 Beat AZST 27-10 in Tempe
                                                                               Beat South Carolina in Columbia
Crushed Virginia 52-7 cross country
                                                                               Beat Tennessee (2-4 team) 26-14
                                                                               Beat Georgia Southern 45-21
                                                                               Beat Central Michigan 56-17

Lost to Oregon State 21-27, on road, on Thursday night (road teams win slightly under a 3rd of these games)

                                                                              Crushed by Alabama. Down 31-0 @ half. Bama sits on ball second half, Georgia makes final misleading as Bama runs clock. 41-30

Now, those are their resume’s. I don’t award Tennessee points for having the T in their name. They’ve played like garbage this year.

Do you still see USC’s resume over Georgia’s?

by Bud Elliott on Oct 15, 2008 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dang

That’s pretty awesome that we are #25
Too bad were not in the REAL polls that count =/

I think if we win tomm. night—> we’ll be in for sure!!! :)

Go Noles Baby!!
-J

by FSUFreak000 on Oct 15, 2008 4:43 PM EDT reply actions  

I agree, if we go to 5-1 with a win on National TV,

we will be in.

We need to jump 4 teams. To do so, we need to win, by 2TD’s or more, and need to have 4 of these teams lose:

17. Virginia Tech 5-1 540
18. North Carolina 5-1 416
19. South Florida 5-1 397
20. Michigan State 6-1 371
21. Wake Forest 4-1 330
22. Vanderbilt 5-1 258
23. Pittsburgh 4-1 182
24. Ball State 7-0 166
25. California 4-1 115
Others Receiving Votes
Tulsa 84, TCU 61, Minnesota 48, Florida State 38, Georgia Tech 25

Of those, these teams are TOUCHDWN favorites or less:
VTECH
MICH ST
WAKE
VANDY (2 touchdown underdogs)
UNC
PITT
CAL
TCU
GTECH

Minnesota is inactive, so we would probably jump them.

by Bud Elliott on Oct 15, 2008 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Arizona St??

You put a home win against Arizona State as a more impressive win than South Carolina? Arizona State lost to UNLV, and has only beaten Northern Arizona (which I could not even name their mascot) and Stanford. That win should be about as impressive as UGA’s win over Ga. Southern which was at Southern.
With that being said, I think you defended your case for USC being AHEAD of UGA, however I am still not sold that they have the 6th best resume on the board. However, the more I think of it, does it seem that schedules (across the board) are getting softer and softer? I don’t have any statistical proof of this, just an observation. However to match this up against the “Resumes” I will take a shot at your format.

USC v Va Tech

Ohio St (very clear that this is the most impressive win of any teams below them, but remember no Wells and Tressels uncanny ability to choke in big games)
                     North Carolina
                     Georgia Tech (according strictly to your rankings)
Oregon
                     Nebraska
Virginia
Arizona State
                     Western Kentucky
                     Furman
                     Lost to ECU
Lost to Oregon State (which by the way, your stats just reassures any skepticism about tomorrow night).

I think there is a good case to be made here that Va. Tech’s resume is equally as good. You put more stock into the score than I do. Certainly there is something to be said for being blown out in the first half (alabama v georgia) however teams do lay eggs sometimes (see ohio state).
Winning tough games takes a lot of depth and grit, which i think there is something to be said for that.

Thanks for some respectful football disagreement though. I enjoy intelligible discussions.
                    

by UNFNOLE on Oct 15, 2008 10:14 PM EDT reply actions  

One more Thing

Your rankings – USC has beaten #17

Va Tech has beaten #20 and #12.

by UNFNOLE on Oct 15, 2008 10:17 PM EDT reply actions  

UFNole,

I’m working on the preview now, but I will respond in greater detail when I free up some time.

3. Quick Hitters: I’d say the ECU loss is worse than the ORE St. Loss.

VT beat unc only after UNC’s QB went down in the 3rd quarter. A win? Yes. Sort of Flukish? Yes.
GT was absolutely screwed by the officials (bogus facemask call) against VT, giving vt the final scoring drive.

Now, I don’t watch 1500 games per year, so I don’t have exact stuff on this for every time, but Va Tech’s wins have been good from the name standpoint, but underwhelming from a performance standpoint.

Also, the poll is not a power poll, so pointing out who they beat on the poll can be problematic.

by Bud Elliott on Oct 15, 2008 11:27 PM EDT reply actions  

...

Please stop calling me UFNole. It’s a stupid thing, but it is driving me NUTS.

Also, ok, it may not be a power poll, but I can officially say according to your absurd stipulations for creating a poll that Va.Tech has beaten two teams with a better resume than Oregon, and one with a better resume than Ohio St. I am just justifying it off of what you said.

If you want to look at all of the factors of each game, I dont understand how you don’t look at the Ohio St game with those same lenses. Ohio State was missing their star running back (and there was a huge drop off). They were also playing at HOME, in which Ohio State had to travel across the country. Do you think it would have been the same game had it been at OSU and Wells was healthy. Sure its hypothetical but so is talking about refs winning a game and a quarterback going down. You cant say it was flukish when they won both of them. If you are judging their performance you are doing exactly what you continually say this poll is not. Performance rankings ARE the definition of a power poll.

Also, Oregon State has beaten only one team with real credentials and ECU has beaten two. Given it seems like ECU is bi-polar. Just because they play in an overrated major conference, it does not make it a “better” win. Do you REALLY think that USC has the 6th best “resume” as you stubbornly call it, when what you are really doing is re-naming a power poll.

by UNFNOLE on Oct 16, 2008 10:58 AM EDT reply actions  

Misread the username, apologies.

Contacts are on back order right now, I can still see, it’s just annoying me.

I am already accounting for OSU’s loss of wells. Wells does not play defense, Wells does not play quarterback, and Wells does not block. USC physically crushed OSU and looked better at every position. If OSU has Beanie Wells, I seriously doubt the game would have been more than 4-7 points different. Why? Simple, OSU couldn’t block. Beanie would be crushed in the backfield just as Brandon Saine or the other wells kid were.

You cant say it was flukish when they won both of them

I disagree with this. Why can’t flukes happen in back to back games? That is poor logic, in my opinion at least.

If you are judging their performance you are doing exactly what you continually say this poll is not. Performance rankings ARE the definition of a power poll.

I disagree with this as well. Judging how teams play helps to evaluate the quality of a win or a loss. Would a close fought game between ‘Bama and UGA be the same as the choke-out that Bama put on them? I’d say no. Should the Nebraska loss to Missou (blowout by 40 at home), be judged the same as the Nebraska overtime loss at Texas Tech? Surely not.

I seem to be missing the other team that ECU beat who has “real credentials.” I hope you’re not referring to WVU…

I honestly do believe that USC has the 6th best resume in the Nation. I don’t think I’m re-naming a power poll here at all. Notice how I dropped BYU and LSU completely, and lowered GTech for struggling against Gardner-Webb.

by Bud Elliott on Oct 16, 2008 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Judging performance

You are still judging their performance. A power poll is essentially the same thing. It is putting less importance on their strength of schedule and record and putting more on how they performed. I have no problem with it if you want to make a power poll, just call it what it is. You dropped LSU and BYU because they didn’t perform well. Not because they only have one loss.

While I don’t think West Virginia is a good team, I do think they are average (4-2). A team with Noel Divine and Pat White is a much more legit team than Hawaii and Washington State (whose only win is against Portland St.) This gives them just as much cred if not more than Oregon state.

The only reason why I brought up the game factors for OSU is because you seem to be justifying losses for everyone but them (now don’t get me wrong, I don’t like OSU as much as I don’t like USC). I told you I credit USC with a big win their, just the rest of the “resume” doesn’t impress me enough to put them at #6.

BTW, I wasn’t taking a shot at you for misreading my name, I just don’t like to be called anything resembling a Gator.

by UNFNOLE on Oct 16, 2008 1:47 PM EDT reply actions  

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