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Garnet & Golded: 5-1!  We are way ahead of expectations at this point.  This team is coming together, we're the best in the ACC!  We're tied for the ACC lead and should at least make the Orange Bowl!  I'll go with Purple Koolaid!

Donald Downer: 2 of our wins are against 1-AA teams.  The other 3 are against below average teams.  Have we beaten a probable bowl team?  Maybe Miami.  Colorado and NC State are horrid.  FSU's real season starts now.  I'll have water.

 

Garnet & Golded: FSU is 3rd in the Nation in total defense!  We're first in 3rd down conversion defense!  We are 17th in pass defense!  Give me the red stuff!

Donald Downer: I can't argue with that.  This is a pretty talented defense.  There are a few cracks, however.  We aren't even top 50 in Opponent Adjusted Pass Efficiency Defense.  That's a concern, as it further underscores our weak schedule to date.  Miami's offense is nothing special, Colorado can't score on anyone, and NC State is pathetically bad.  We held Wake to 12, true, but they've only scored one TD so far in ACC play. 

My concern isn't playing 3rd down pass defense, but rather, forcing opponents to get to 3rd down.  Colorado and NC State had success running the football on this team in spurts (as did Miami on their 2nd drive).  

Our DT's haven't played especially well against the run, and they are even worse in pass rush.  Everette Brown is doubled and sometimes tripled.  The DT's are getting single blocked every time, and are not pushing the pocket.  Markus White, Neefy Moffett, and Kevin McNiel can best be described as inconsistent. 

We're not getting to the QB, registering only a 6.04% Sack Rate, the worst in our last 5 years.  Obviously, Jody Allen needed to be fired yesterday, as he's been massively underqualified throughout his entire employment.  Please bring back Jim Gladden!

The effort from the DLine is concerning.  We have 4 DT's who rotate, as well as 3 DE's not named Brown, and yet they don't consistently appear to give maximum effot.  With this kind of veteran depth, we need to have these guys play 100% every play, and then come out when they tire. 

Even more concerning from the DLine is the lack of discipline.  We play out of control, consistently lose contain, and are often caught out of position.  I'm pretty sick of seeing Moffett crash down only to see the back bounce outside for 15.

The LB's have played amazing all season, but they had by far their worst game against NC State.  Nicholson  was especially poor, as he failed to get off  blocks and just appeared to be out of sorts.  I have confidence that they will turn that around, however, because they've done it before and are not coached by Jody Allen.  These guys need to learn to use their speed to their advantage and take better angles to the football. 

This might be the ACC's best defense, but until they fix those issues, they won't be special.  Getting Patrick and Jamie Robinson back and fully healthy, in addition to Dekoda Watson and an improving Nigel Bradham could go a long way towards making this a "Nationally Elite Unit."  Coffee would be fine.  Black.

 

Garnet & Golded: We're averaging 413 yards and over 35 points in our last 3 games, all away from Doak Campbell.  We're #1 in Total offense and scoring offense in the ACC!   As a unit, the offensive line has far exceeded expectations.  Hudson has played out of his mind, while most other members of the line have faired well in run blocking.  The Noles run game has improved by leaps and bounds over the past few seasons.  I believe this is a combination of better offensive line coaching, a mobile quarterback, improved blocking by the wide receivers, and having Antone in good health.

Gimme the red stuff!

Donald Downer:  Schedule, schedule, schedule.  Oh, and film.  I really like what Jimbo is doing with our offense.  As a member of the "he's a good but not great playcaller" club, I've been very happy with his effort so far.  After an iffy game against Wake, he has stepped up and I have to give him an A.  

What do I like about his playcalling?  So far, he's been able to scheme around our weaknesses.  With numbers like that, one might think we have no offensive weaknesses.  They would be wrong. 

Opposing coaches have to salivate when they think about our offensive line play.  Rodney Hudson is a bona fide stud, and everyone knows that.  The other interior line positions, however are huge question marks.

Ryan McMahon was a freshman All American last year.  He is the worst starter on this team and I do not think it is all that close.  McMahon gets destroyed on over half his snaps, consistently put on his back or pushed into the backfield, his poor play destroys our running lanes and kills our angles.  I can't fault him for his effort, but he just isn't any good.  I really hope we look to the JUCO ranks to find a replacement center, or hope that McMahon gains some strength.  I'm not calling Mcmahon a slacker here, but he is consistently getting dominated and his performance is handcuffing our offense.

At the other guard spot is Will Furlong David Spurlock.  Furlong injured his foot and was seen on crutches after the game.  He is now in a boot.  That doesn't sound good for the Va Tech game.  Luckily for us, I actually think Spurlock is the better player.  While he is 18, and thus makes the youngest offensive line in the Nation even younger, he is bigger.  Spurlock also plays with a mean streak.  He is closer to the Hudson mold than the McMahon model: meaning that plays really hard and is aggressive.  Spurlock has the look of someone who will eventually be a very good player for us.  Right now though, it looks as if he doesn't know all of his assignments.  That's expected from a guy in his first game.  Hudson didn't know all of his last season, and we all know how he has turned out.  While I wish Furlong well, I have serious concerns about his ability to ever be a decent player.  He has had two offseasons in the program and has not been able to put on the size he needs to be an effective player.  Furlong's loss is a blow to the depth chart, but I don't expect a major dropoff in production.

Datko and Sanders, however, at the tackle spots (left and right respectively) are 18 yearolds who are experiencing their ups and downs.  I think these guys have decent, but not great technique, considering their age.  To compound matters, they are each 20LBS too small, even for a Rick Trickett offensive line.  There isn't much we can do about this right now.  I have to assume that, unlike RS FR Will Furlong, they will put on weight in the offseason program and keep it on.  These two players clearly have potential to eventually be all conference type performers, and we don't really have other options here.

Bowden yelled at the ref's for the holding penalties against the Wolfpack on Thursday night, but they were doing their jobs.  FSU was holding on the holding calls, and there several obvious holds that the refs did not call.  This isn't something we can immediately correct.  Sure, better technique and focus can help, and CRT is certainly capable of schooling these guys, but the majority of these holds occur because we're not very good right now.  The alternative to holding may very well be a broken Christian Ponder.  I hope we continue to hold, because we will get away with it a good bit of the time.

There is further trouble on the Horizon, however.  The fact is that we haven't played very many good defensive fronts yet.  Take a look at the best and worst fronts we will face/ have faced (italics).

Georgia Tech

UF

VT

BC

NC State

Clemson

Miami

Wake Forest

Maryland

Colorado

So, we're about to face 4 defensive fronts that are certainly better than anything we've seen so far.  That doesn't bode well for this offense.  I think we will continue to use the fast break run offense, utilizing the speed and cut blocking of our linemen, but the dropback passing might take a turn downhill.

These fronts will brutalize McMahon and probably the 3 18-yearolds as well.  We won't have much of a pocket to step up in.  Expect to see some fumbles as Ponder is hit from the blind side.  This could get ugly.  We're going to have to win some ugly ballgames, with a lot of clock grinding, running, and punting.

Until next time...

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I'll take the kool-aid...

But I’d like to ask if i can put it in the fridge and drink it down next year?

Actually, we have a two game stretch that will tell the tale….until then I’m not thirsty either way!

by truecolors on Oct 20, 2008 11:07 PM EDT reply actions  

probably a good call.

I figured I’d roll out this exercise after seeing a few “do we have a shot at the Nat’l Championship” E-Mails.

by Bud Elliott on Oct 21, 2008 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wow

National Championship? I really like the progress that this team is making and I think we’re on our way back to the top, but I think it may be more than a little crazy to think we can contend for a NC this year. I do think it’s possible that we could win the conference, but that’s more of a result of a weak ACC than a prominent FSU team.

I think my feeling on this team is that I’m cautiously optimistic. The next couple weeks will tell us a lot.

by zest on Oct 21, 2008 9:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree

Unless a miracle happens for the Seminoles (we win out) and some other teams have some miraculous losses. It’s just not going to happen.

I do like our chances next year of competing for the ACC and most likely a good BCS bid and possibly the NC game.This year we should be happy with Jimbo’s progress on offense and how stellar our D can be.

by UNFNOLE on Oct 21, 2008 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Some encouraging signs for winning the ACC:

Wake is an underdog at Miami, and we will likely be favored in our remaining ACC games.

Also, we will play 3 running QB’s in a row (Willson, Taylor, Nesbitt), so hopefully our defense will be able to settle into “Contain Mode.”

Right now, I will be very happy with this scenario:

9-3, Gator Bowl, Beat Notre Dame. Lose Patrick Robinson, lose Everette Brown, but keep Parker, Watson, Thacker, and all other juniors, as well as Surrency getting an extra year. Picking up a JUCO DB would be nice as well.

by Bud Elliott on Oct 21, 2008 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think that's a fairly realistic scenario

And a very pleasing one as well.

As for a JUCO CB, Rudell Crim, Rivals #5 ranked JUCO player, went to HS in Tallahassee (Rickards).

by andy_wooster on Oct 21, 2008 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good call,

will keep an eye on him.

It’s not that I am displeased with Mangum. I actually like him a lot, despite his bust on the long TD. My main concern is “ready to play depth.”

by Bud Elliott on Oct 21, 2008 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Watson

Any word on Watson? Is he a go for this weekend? He is very talented and I wouldn’t be surprised if he flirts with the idea of going pro (because he has had some injuries).

by UNFNOLE on Oct 21, 2008 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Everyone is silently concerned that Dekoda Will bolt because he is a freak. You don’t root for injuries, but he’s only played 2 games for us this year, and I expect him to come back for his Sr. Year.

He’s questionable for this weekend, and I haven’t heard. I wouldn’t expect him to play, but wouldn’t be shocked if he does.

by Bud Elliott on Oct 21, 2008 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

A lot of people don't remember

That Bowden’s early success at FSU was primarily due to defense and kicking. I still consider the 1980 defense the best in Seminole history and with Rhon Stark and Bill Capece, our kicking was great as well.

My point is: You can win A LOT of games — sometimes ALL of them — with great kicking and great defense.

I think you’ll see Jimbo continue to scheme very conservatively — getting the ball out of Ponder’s hands quickly, trying to get playmakers in space on the edges. Taking shots deep judiciously and in situations where an interception is as good as a punt.

I agree with that strategy, but, of course, it won’t work if we drop punt snaps, allow big kickoff returns and continue to allow opposing tight ends to roam the field like the wildebeast roam the African plains.

by Fsued on Oct 21, 2008 9:57 AM EDT reply actions  

Ed, you might be more correct than you know.

As we’ve discussed before, the ACC is the league that rewards clutching, grabbing, and ugly play. You might be interested in these two articles: <ACC – NFL STYLE Part 1/a>, and ACC= NFL Style Part 2 A key quote from the articles:

Because of its uber-conservative run attacks, It is, in short, college football’s most NFL-like environment, where the line between measured competence and rank mediocrity is virtually nonexistant.

I think Jimbo realizes that an aggressive playcaller could set this league ablaze.

Also, we threw 12 passes that I classify as “screens” against NC State. These are highly effective with our linemen, and are also fairly safe. You won’t see me argue against this strategy unless we start calling it in the face of obvious adjustments.

I am continually intrigued by the prowess of Capece and Stark.

Can I use your wilderbeast line in this week’s preview?

by Bud Elliott on Oct 21, 2008 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'll take the Tropical Punch

with a side of vodka to get through what is going to be a rough and defining two week stretch. I too think this defense is for real and can carry this team over some rough spots.

I love what Jimbo is doing with his personnel and trying to get Ponder in a quick rhythm which also helps the young O Line.

Oh, Yeaaahh!

groupthink sux

by mental.apparition on Oct 21, 2008 11:47 AM EDT reply actions  

Oh I think our D is for real,

and hopefully the NC State opening drive’s were an aberration.

+2 for use of “Oh, Yeahhh”

by Bud Elliott on Oct 21, 2008 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with truecolors...

I’ll take the red stuff, tropical punch please, but i’ll wait to drink it down later on. An ACC title and a BCS game this year and I have no problem drinking it. We have a rough stretch coming up where this team will really be tested. There is also the season finale with that school in Gainesville. I’m cautiously optimistic because this team has shown some grit and determination in their play that has definitely been lacking for some time.

by lildrunknole on Oct 21, 2008 2:23 PM EDT reply actions  

O-line NC State Performance - 1st half vs. 2nd half

Very enjoyable breakdown! I’m usually drinking from both during the game, with mood swings erratic enough to be diagnosed as bipolar.

After the first half of the NC State game, I would have agreed with your o-line assessment. But after the second, they seemed to pull together and make things happen. Are you saying it was “only” due to play calling that played to their strengths?

by GonzoNole on Oct 21, 2008 3:26 PM EDT reply actions  

Glad you enjoyed it.

Certainly, they did play better in the second half. I think that most of this is due to play calling. Notice how we got away from first down runs, effectively utilizing the bubble in lieu if the run.

Mr. Negative was just trying to say “look, their results were better in the second half, but a lot of that was just taking it out of their hands and asking them to do stuff that they are comfortable doing.”

Give the line credit as a whole, for playing with better technique in the second half. Jimbo and Trickett commented that they reminded the line to focus on technique and not worry about who was in front of them. That’s good coaching. These coaches know these player’s abilities, and generally do a good job of putting them in positions to succeed.

by Bud Elliott on Oct 21, 2008 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Coaching

Actually, I think Mr. Negative is probably more like Mr. Realistic. I do have bouts of unbridled optimism for this team but try to temper it with a dose of reality. I agree that the coaching Coach Fisher and Trickett is great. It shows with Antone Smith’s improvements, Ponder’s progression and decent production out of a young o-line. I would guess we are two classes away from having a steady, dependable o-line.

As much football as I have watched, I have never really paid much attention to the offensive line until the last few years. Watching as FSU struggled under Jeff Bowden & Co was deeply frustrating. With only 85 scholarships, picking quality players and coaching them well is critical. Maybe we had the right guys but just couldn’t get consistent production out of them. It’s fantastic to see this progress.

by GonzoNole on Oct 21, 2008 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

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