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Projecting the Noles 10.29.08: Simulating the ACC

I mentioned this idea in an earlier column, but I wanted to expound on it.  Scalpem had a post that inspired me to go all-out.

A lot of people are struggling with the question of how much to believe in the Noles.  Your beliefs about this team are probably based on what you see on the field, and statistics relative to other teams.  One key component of evaluation is understanding competition.  The Fremeau Efficiency Index, a metric I trust, released their strength of schedule numbers today.  Note that I don't necessarily agree with their rankings, but I do value their S.O.S. numbers.  What did we learn?

  • FSU is 6-1, against the 54th most difficult schedule to date, and
  • FSU's remaining 5 games are against the 8th toughest schedule, Nationally.

How much does that change your perceptions of this team? 

Knowing that, I tried to evaluate our remaining schedule.  If you're a frequent listerner of the Jeff Cameron Show, you heard Jeff discuss this yesterday. 

I used win probabilities based on projected Vegas lines.  Who projected the lines?  I did, and I think I'm pretty decent at doing so. 

Here are the projected winning percentages in our remaining 5 games rounded to 5%):

  • @ Georgia Tech: 50%
  • Clemson: 80%
  • Boston College: 70%
  • @ Maryland: 60%
  • Florida: 25%

If you think I am way off on any of those, let me know and we will discuss.

From there, I ran every possible scenario, and came out with some results which I think are realistic, but also somewhat encouraging.

Let's first look at our chances within the ACC.  We currently sit at 3-1 in ACC play, and have 4 remaining games (@ GaTech, Clemson, Boston College, @ Maryland) .

  • 7-1 ACC: 16.8%
  • 6-2 ACC: 39.4%
  • 5-3 ACC: 32.0%
  • 4-4 ACC: 10.6%
  • 3-5 ACC: 1.2%

Interestingly, we have a slightly better chance of winning out or suffering only 1 loss (55.2%) in the remaining ACC Slate than we do of going 2-2 or worse (44.8%).

We are probably NOT going to win out in ACC play (16.8% Chance).

The question on most minds is "will we go to the ACCCG?"  My answer to that is "reserve your hotel room, but don't buy your tickets just yet." 

What is the other side of this coin?  The other teams in the division, of course.

Wake Forest (Remaining Schedule is 31st)

Duke: 72%
Virginia: 63%
@ NC State: 63%
BC: 66%

  • 6-2 ACC: 18.9%
  • 5-3 ACC: 39.2%
  • 4-4 ACC: 30.6%
  • 3-5 ACC: 10.0%
  • 2-6 ACC: 1.3%

Thoughts here?  Obviously, if Wake goes 4-4 in the ACC, we look pretty good.  Interestingly, Wake is the only team remaining likely to be favored in every game.

Let's look at the chances of some possible finishes:

  • Finish with a BETTER record than Wake: about 63.4% of the time.
  • Finish with a worse record than Wake: 13.5% of the time. 

I'll take my chances with that, but what I am really concerned with here is an equal record, since Wake holds the head-to-head tiebreaker by virtue of their September win in Doak.  Here they are:

  • Both finish at 6-2 ACC approximately 7.5% of the time.
  • Both finish at 5-4 ACC approximately 12.5% of the time.  
  • Both finish at 4-4 ACC approximately 3.2% of the time.
  • Both finish at 3-5 ACC less than 1 times in 1000 tries. 

Maryland (3rd Hardest Remaining Schedule)

@ VT:  37%
UNC:   50%
FSU:    40%
@ BC: 40%
Maryland is not guaranteed to be favored in any remaining game.

  • 7-1 ACC 3.0%
  • 6-2 ACC 16.9%
  • 5-3 ACC 30.6%
  • 4-4 ACC 38.2%
  • 3-5 ACC 11.3%

Hmmm, interesting.  Maryland has a greater chance of finishing 6-2 than Wake, but only slightly.

Boston College (34th most difficult schedule remaining)

Clemson: 64%
@ FSU: 30%
@ Wake: 37%
Maryland: 60%

  • 6-2 ACC 4.3%
  • 5-3 ACC 22.4%
  • 4-4 ACC 30.6%
  • 3-5 ACC 36.3%
  • 2-6 ACC 6.4%

Boston College fans:  please make your reservations for Nashville or elsewhere.  You will not be going to Tampa.  BC could beat Maryland, Wake, and FSU, yet still not win the Atlantic.  That's pretty remarkable.

Final Prediction

Root for BC at this point, and then go from there.  A win at GT would be absolutely huge for the 'Noles.  They are the favorites to win the Atlantic at this point. 

In my next installment, I will examine the tiebreaker rules.  For now, peruse these, assuming a Maryland- FSU- Wake Tie at 6-2 (1.3% chance) or 5-3 (3.8% chance, roughly).

Three-Way Tie (A "mini-conference" is created among the three tied teams.)

Scenario 1
All three tied teams have each won one and lost one against the other teams in the mini-conference.

1. In this case, the highest ranked team among the three earns the bid.  This is interesting, as we'd likely be that team, but could drop if we get trounced by the Gators.

2. If two of the three teams have the same ranking, the bid is earned by the team winning the head-to-head matchup.  This is really doubtful. 


3. If none of the teams are ranked, the BCS Bowl would select the team of its choice from among the tied teams.  Who do you think would go?  The Orange Bowl does not want any shot of Maryland or Wake killing their game.

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I like what you have done with this but Its not wake I fear. I dont like the 50% with GT and I feel the maryland game is off with 60. Also will the first 2 games hurt us. I know they only count one in the bowl elg. but what about our over all record. last would it be better if Maryland, WF, and FSU were all 5-3 at the end because if WF and FSU were tied WF would win. but if all three were tied then it could fall in FSU faver. I just dont get it all I know is looking at the 4 teams FSU realy needs to at least beat BC, clemson and Maryland to realy have a chance at the ACC this year. GT would make it 100 but only if they win out. If not its all about us beating Maryland and WF getting a L mostlikly from UVA.

by Desman on Oct 29, 2008 1:42 PM EDT reply actions  

Des

You wrote:

I dont like the 50% with GT and I feel the maryland game is off with 60.

What do you think they should be? The GT one is really about a 45% chance of victory for FSU, but I did this when it was around 50 (remember that we are using moneylines converted from vegas numbers).

FSU realy needs to at least beat BC, clemson and Maryland to realy have a chance at the ACC this year

Correct, as those are games in the Atlantic as opposed to the Coastal, they are more important for tie breaker purposes.

by Bud Elliott on Oct 29, 2008 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

FEI:

I love FSU. It is the only school I root for. But this guy is clearly an ACC homer and an idiot. How do you trust this?

   1) North Carolina is ranked 3rd… WHAT?!? VTech is ranked 8th?!?

   2) FSU allegedly has a tougher schedule than UTexas when:
             - FSU’s tough games are @ Miami, @ GTech, @ Maryland, v. Florida, and v. Wake Forest… (Not ranked, Not ranked, 25th, 5th, and no longer ranked (but was 18th))
             - Texas’s tough games are v. Oklahoma, v. Missouri, v. OSU, and @ Tech, @ Kansas, v. TAMU … That’s: (Was #1(now 4), Was #11 (now 14), Was #7 (now 9), #6, not ranked (but has been), and not ranked)… How can you even argue that FSU has a tougher schedule?

Maybe I’m misreading his chart??

by BuckyB on Oct 29, 2008 2:39 PM EDT reply actions  

Bucky,

I really don’t think he is a homer. His numbers are computer based. Texas’ schedule from here on out is cake. TTech and that is it.

My guess is that it breaks down like this: UF > any Texas game. Then, OU, OSU, TT. Then Missouri, most likely. Kansas is still riding the coattails of an incredibly lucky year, and have done nothing to date. My guess is that the computer likes Miami, VT, GT, Maryland, BC, Colorado (double) next, then Kansas, then Clemson.

After that, Texas has 7 of the bottom 10.

Now, I decided to dig deeper. He actually addressed this, in his article http://footballoutsiders.com/fei-ratings/fei-week-9-ratings. A portion is pasted below.

Athletic Coast Conference Bias

Seriously, what in the world is going on with FEI’s ACC fetish? Believe me, I’m asking myself the same question. North Carolina leaped up to No. 3, six ACC teams are in the FEI top 24, multiple teams are moving up after losses and none of it seems to make any sense at all.

Neither does the conference itself. Virginia lost its first three games of 2008 by 45 (to USC), by 35 (to Connecticut), and by 28 (to Duke). The Cavaliers now have the best record in ACC conference play. Maryland lost to one of the worst teams in the Sun Belt Conference (Middle Tennessee) in one week and defeated one of the best teams in the Pac-10 Conference (California) the next. Yet at 5-2, the Terrapins are ranked behind 1-4 Clemson in FEI. Are FEI’s ACC brains fried, or can we try and figure this thing out?

I decided to remove all ACC games (both conference and non-conference) from the system to see if it could bring things into focus. If we vote the entire conference off the island, the resulting top 10 looks awfully familiar.


FEI Top 10 sans ACC
Rank Team W-L FEI BCS Rank AP Rank
1 Texas 8-0 0.318 1 1
2 Penn State 8-0 0.298 3 3
3 Florida 5-1 0.264 8 5
4 Alabama 5-1 0.256 5 7
5 USC 5-1 0.256 5 7
6 Georgia 6-1 0.247 6 8
7 Oklahoma 6-1 0.221 4 4
8 Oklahoma State 6-1 0.214 9 9
9 Texas Tech 6-0 0.208 7 6
10 Missouri 5-2 0.197 14 14

Throwing in a bunch of ACC conference games with every team hovering near .500 shouldn’t disrupt things, right? So it has to be those pesky non-conference games. Has the ACC really impressed? Yes, apparently. Without anyone really noticing, the ACC has posted an 11-7 record to date against BCS conference (plus Notre Dame) opposition, including an undefeated record against the Big 12 (the lightweights, but still). The Big 12 is 7-7 against similar foes. The SEC is 5-6, including a loss by Vanderbilt at home to Duke last Saturday. Not for nothing, but Vanderbilt currently has the fourth-best conference record in the vaunted Southeastern Conference. Duke has the 11th-best conference record in the ACC.

Its hard to imagine that three-loss Virginia Tech, two-loss Georgia Tech, and two-loss North Carolina are actually “better” than Oklahoma, Oklahoma State or Texas Tech. But since the latter three still haven’t played one another, FEI is going to have to wait and see. Discard outcomes and dismiss teams as you wish.

by Bud Elliott on Oct 29, 2008 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Continuing

I don’t believe these power ratings entirely, no. I do think the SOS numbers are very good. People often underestimate the difficulty of playing average or better teams on a week to week basis.

UNC has not played any cake games, except for McNeese St.

They have played 7 games against BCS teams! At this point, like in a stagger start race, they are out ahead. VT has also played an incredibly tough schedule.

by Bud Elliott on Oct 29, 2008 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just dont like 50% chance that all I was saying I beleave your right about it though. Its just sucks. With BC, clemson and Maryland if we win all those then it will knock out the others – Maryland its all up to them winning there games. WF has to win the rest to be in and I just dont see that happening so they are out. BC is in the same boat. one of them could still be in but with Maryland and FSU still to come I dont see them making it in ether. Its realy up to FSU and Maryland. I dont like to bet so I dont get all the odds things. Im just going to be a retard and just pull for FSU. If your odds are right though then that would still put FSU in the ACC title game.

by Desman on Oct 29, 2008 2:41 PM EDT reply actions  

The only game I wouldn't put a W on in the ACC

Is the Maryland game. Depending on which Maryland team shows up, they could beat the 1995 Cornhuskers or lose to Wazzu. I’m exaggerating but I think you get the point.

"I smoke. If this bothers anyone, I suggest you look around at the world in which we live and shut your f***in' mouth."-Bill Hicks

by Jonathan Loesche on Oct 29, 2008 7:40 PM EDT reply actions  

Clemson

80% on Paper. One thing that stats don’t show is the intangibles. Yes, Bowden is gone. Yes, their O-Line can’t protect, but It’s Clemson. For some reason this and the BC game make me MOST nervous. I just don’t get a good feeling about that one (There isn’t one stat that backs this up either).

I do hope that we go into that Maryland game playing for the Atlantic Division. I just bought my ticket yesterday (making sure I was sitting behind our bench) and it will be the only FSU game I get to go to this year.

Go Noles!

by UNFNOLE on Oct 30, 2008 11:42 AM EDT reply actions  

UNF,

Glad to see we have some die-hards to the Maryland game!

You’re right about intangibles. I just couldn’t factor all of those in here, or I would have to drop out of school.

by Bud Elliott on Oct 30, 2008 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

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