Incident in the Union-- updated 11.14.08
by Bud Elliott on Nov 14, 2008 2:16 PM EST
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"The police report has not been concluded but from the information that I have gathered, I am suspending five players who were apparently involved in the fray. Taiwan Easterling, Bert Reed, Corey Surrency, Cameron Wade and Richard Goodman will all be suspended for the Boston College game."_ Bobby Bowden
Impact: Senior Rod Owens will take Easterling's spot. That's fine. Louis Givens will replace Reed. That's a downgrade, though he is a serious burner. Fortson will replace Surrency, and that's a downgrade. The other 2 guys are roster fodder.
I'm hearing the 2 guys we all think are done... are done. Bummer. (Please Note: this has not been announced)
Andrew Carter has the press release from FSU PD (investigation continues)
Thursday Update: I'm heading out for a bit, but I wanted to share my thoughts first. I am now more unsure about this situation then ever. I can't say how, but I've confirmed that the two users claiming to be sisters in the comment section (including the alleged victim) are at the very least, FSU students. I want everyone to treat all other posters with respect, especially if something big comes down later this afternoon. I also want to clarify the facts that we know, and then set out the remaining questions.
We Know with a reasonable degree of certainty:
- That reports claim Easterling was involved at the beginning. Whether he was the instigator or the initial victim is up in the air.
- There were 4 injured people who received some sort of medical treatment.
- A chair was thrown, and someone did end up in Tallahassee Memorial Hospital as a result. The consensus here seems to be a severely broken nose. Some sites are claiming that it required surgery, but that is unconfirmed and I am labeling that as rumor at this point.
- The fight did involve more than 10 total people.
- No arrests have been made as of 2:20 Eastern Time.
I'm hearing (this is the rumor section) I'm not endorsing these, but rather trying to keep track.
- That 2 guys are gone. A third strike for one, and the other for the chair throwing. We will see.
- This was almost certainly not a random incident, and it seems to be related to someone disrespecting another person sometime earlier in the week; possibly at a club.
- That the injured people may have been more participants than innocent bystanders.
- From a lot of members associated with the Fraternity in question. I am concerned that they are all repeating the exact same story, and I am curious if they were told to by leadership to echo those same lines. While the football team isn't talking, friends of Phi Beta Sigma certainly are, and they are saying that the 'Nole players started this and went to the Union with a purpose. Keep that in mind when reading reports. I am not saying that their accounts are incorrect or fabricated, but since they are the only voice trolling message boards with an actual first hand interest in the outcome, we need to view their accounts with a cautious eye. It is not as if the football players are out there openly giving their side of the story (which would be wildly different).
Finally, if you see a comment that is way out of line for this board, e-mail me at FSUncensored@gmail.com I allow pretty much everything on here, but some will take this opportunity to troll their advertisements, post pornographic links, or generally conduct themselves in a manner that could make this site NSFW.
There was a good sized fight in the Student Union today, allegedly between some members of the Phi Sigma Beta Fraternity and some Seminole football players.
There are various conflicting accounts at this point. I'm not sure which to believe. Neither story is good as people were hurt. Dumb decisions were undoubtedly made by parties on both sides. As Florida State Fans, let's all hope that the players didn't bring this upon themselves. As Seminoles, let's all hope that Florida State gets to the bottom of this.
Jamey Givens at NoleInsider has the after practice info, here's a bit:
"The incident today, I really have no comment on it,'' FSU coach Bobby Bowden said following Wednesday night's practice. "The police will look into it and let us know what they think. That's all I've got to say about that.''
7:45 UPDATE: All players are at practice and no arrests have been made. Players practiced with their normal position groups. Players and Coaches were not available.
Wikipedia on Phi Beta Sigma (ΦΒΣ):
a predominantly African-American fraternity which was founded at Howard University in Washington, D.C. on January 9, 1914.
UPDATE: Since people have asked, this is NOT Myron Rolle's fraternity (He's in Kappa Alpha Psi).
I should note that Wednesday is "Market Wednesday" in the Union. Market Wednesday basically consists of local merchants peddling their goods. Some student organizations demonstrate, and some African American fraternities do their step routines as well. The place is pretty rowdy. In any case, these people who are saying that players can't go to the Union need to quit. They are students like anyone else and this is an on campus area of commerce; not some shady back alley. Scalpem points out that players must remain ever vigilant of their surroundings and appearances; regardless of whether they have the right to be somewhere.
Meanwhile, ChantRant asks you to put yourself in the player's shoes. Intriguing read, but it is all dependant on the facts, or lack thereof.
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wow. I hope there are no big players in there but I think if there are kick them off the team. This is BS to make it this far in the season to have something like this pos bring neg news to FSU. The team has came so far from what they were and need all the help they can get. But at the same time we dont need thugs drugs and other problems to bring us down.
Apparently it began at a club last week and some players (which are never there on Wednesdays) showed up today at the union….
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I guess you can kind of figure out who was involved by looking at the tags of the article..warchant of course has nothing and locked my thread and the thread on the main rivals board got locked too.
what I hate is that our rival fans always seem to find out all these sort of things before us like they have a website purely dedicated to FSU suspensions, arrest, etc.
I saw it on the rivals mainboard first…then I posted something on warchant and before my thread got locked somebody replied saying it had been addressed there and we would know once it was all cleared..
They have a unique relationship with the coaching staff and can't do anything to jeopardize that.
I like our coaches, but diehard Seminoles want to know this stuff, ya know?
Anything new??
BTW Warchant finnaly acknowledged that something happened but cant tell us anything….Sorry if I saound like I’m ranting but as Peter Griffin would say “that really grinds my gears”
Well, no arrests yet.
I am working on a huge assignment for class and should be more available around 3:30 central time. I’ll check in with anything new though, if I get it.
What is the policy if no arrests are made and the fight was not instigated by the players as most people said it happened???
I would think...
that it would be punished ‘in-house’… some extra stadiums and sprints after practice… I haven’t heard anything other than what’s been posted here and briefly on Warchant… if no arrests were made and the players did not start the fight, there should not be suspensions… just my opinion, though.
First post on this blog-site, btw… I really enjoy it…
Cdizzle
someone on the democrat...
posted that it had something to do with a member of the fraternity disrespecting a player’s gf…this person also said like ChileanNole posted above that a large number of players were involved.
Link
http://www.noleinsider.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=342:fsu-players-involved-in-campus-incident-today&catid=56:jameys-blog&Itemid=65
According to the link I posted it sure sounds like self defense…I hope that fraternity gets kicked out of FSU.
yeah that def sounds like self defense
not sure where the person on the democrat was getting their info
Funny Recap of what happened (not really)
Reports I’ve heard said Carr didn’t deliver the punch at its highest point but
rather waited til it was near his chest, Reed was suspended and not at the
skirmish, Surrency got his hands on someone but they slipped by and Fortson was
mad that he wasn’t in the first group to jump in so he stormed off. However,
Paker delivered a key block that sprung Givens for a lightning fast combo, and
Owens was his typical ol’ school self.
Cant take credit for this somebody posted it on noleinsider.
LMAO
I was just coming to post this
Hilarious.
by andy_wooster on Nov 12, 2008 5:02 PM EST up reply actions
I remember the days of the Union on Wednesday’s. Good times. Hope all is well with the WR crew and this gets settled, or at least cleared up, by the end of the day.
Radio Report
Apparently it was reported on the radio now. Pretty much the same stuff that noleinsider said.
This has extra running written all over it
If the version emerging is correct — no arrests, no injuries, we were acting in defense — can’t imagine there would be a suspension.
Interestingly, in the past I found myself immediately gravitating toward the worst possible outcome/version when stories like this broke.
Now, I actually have some confidence that our guys will choose to do something other than the worst possible thing.
Some bystanders were hurt, allegedly.
Again, though… acting in self defense of another without using deadly force is usually favorable for the actor.
The main problem I have with the situation is that if there was a problem yesterday at the club then why were the players there today at the union when they knew that the fraternity was going to be there too and they would be outnumbered.
In my 4 (cough.. 5) years at FSU I never saw more than 1 or 2 players at the union on wednesday and very ocassionally at that. I hope they were not there for the wrong reasons
That's the scary part
Unless they were going to buy something or were walking from class to class, there isn’t much reason to be there (maybe Carr needed Senior photos)?
Dont get me wrong this does not justify the fraternity sucker punching a player and they have all the right in my mind to defend themselves and I agree that I like the fact they stick together.
as long as no one gets suspended I’m sure Bobby and Jimbo will be ramming these guys over the next few days. unfortunately if arrests occur there may be fewer players on the roster than there was last week. Let’s hope that it was all self defense and that our players showed more brains than usual
by floundringaround on Nov 12, 2008 5:07 PM EST reply actions
First, welcome to TNation
Second, this will be a great teaching tool. These guys will learn what to do and what not to do in public.
Thanks much, Ive been a reader for a while just decided to join today
by floundringaround on Nov 12, 2008 5:22 PM EST up reply actions
This is NOT an episode that would typically result in an arrest
It’s unlikely anyone will press charges (this is usually the case when students make up both sides of a dispute). That means police have to find clear evidence of right and wrong — which they won’t.
I could be way off here, but I still see this shaping up as something that leads to wear and tear of stadium steps, but that’s about it.
When will we know the outcome of this?
Will it affect this weekend’s game or do they have to wait until a police report is filed?? if there even was one…
well I heard that the team was going to address teh situation today after practice…or at least more info would be leaked to credible sources
by thirdcoastnole on Nov 12, 2008 5:27 PM EST up reply actions
The players are at practice now.
The coaches usually speak after practice. Players are available if they choosenot a chance in hell they speak today
I think we will have to see what the incident report says. Keep in mind that there is a difference between an incident report and an arrest report. in many places.
Imagine if...
these weren’t athletes involved in such a scuffle. This stuff happens at college frequently and who knows what really happened or what was said. This would probably be a non-event if the football team wasn’t involved. That said, I hope that if there is any punishment it is kept internal and I hope it is a reality check to the guys on the team. Everything they do on and off the field is watched under a microscope. You need to be a professional on and off the field. Have your fun but be smart about it.
by TrueCubbie on Nov 12, 2008 5:27 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
You know....
…. I just can’t stress enough how nice it is to have a place to rationally, dare I say, intelligently talk about my beloved Seminoles without trolling, hyperbole and breathlessness.
This site has context, respects and appreciates history, tremendous depth and detail and a sober, balanced, realistic view of Florida State that is beyond refreshing.
No matter how popular this site gets — and it will grow, you can bet on it — I hope you’ll always stay true to the pricinples on which you have based the site.
by Fsued on Nov 12, 2008 5:27 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
thanks Basbalstr101
I’m glad you joined up. Here’s to sticking around and becoming part of our growing community.
Thanks. I’m glad I finally found a site with as much depth as this one…for the past few years I’ve relied on seminoles.com and we all know how little info they have
by basbalstr101 on Nov 12, 2008 5:41 PM EST up reply actions
Good for them
You know I have been critical of the kids with no discipline. I am not going to criticize them though. If this report is true, I am all for teammates sticking up for teammates. I think there is a couple of issues here. Players DO have the right to go to clubs, bars, etc, however they need to be above reproach. They need not to be involved in questionable activity. Regardless, if he got ‘jumped’ that isn’t something he truly instigated.
Good for the teammates for defending Easterling. Whoever jumped him is not either not very intellegent or has never played a team sport. Thanks for reporting only the facts Bud.
Totally agree...
….sticking up for your teammates is part of your responsibility. And who in their right mind jumps a guy on the football team; you know that many of his teammates will be nearby. Hopefully, the facts will come out and we’ll see that these guys were doing the right thing, protecting their teammate, protecting themselves and trying to stop an incident from escalating out of control. These are good kids and they’re starting to play so well. This would seem out of our current team’s character.
Crazy how much athletes get away with
The players were defending Easterling? LOL That many players and only 4 fraternity dudes (3 of which who ran over to help the one getting stomped). I mean doesn’t this story sound funny. I mean they say no charges will be pressed, but I doubt the 2 girls that were attack as well will probably press charges as well……. I guess no one heard about that huh? Yea one went to Tallahass Memorial Hospital with a broken nose. The other girl went to Thagard for stictches because she was trying to stop the players from stomping one of the fraternity members. Don’t believe it….then please ask any student that was present. I don’t condone fighting (nor letting someone put their hands on you), but it was shameful today what was seen.
I’ll always be a fan and I won’t let those players represent or scar the hardwork that the rest of the players put into this season. The players actions today were completely premeditated and that truly upsets me, considering the strides that the team is making after 6 LONG YEARS !!!!!!!!!
so you're saying that this was on them and not the fraternity guys?
The story DOES sound a bit funny if you know about the union scene, but I’d like to know where you’re coming from with this.
Since you seem to have a different story, I think we’d all be interested to know: how many players, how many brothers, did the suckerpunch happen, if not, who hit first, etc.
When you say stomping....
what exactly do you mean? and were you one of the students that was present?
he probably means the frat member was on the ground and the players were stomping him with their feet. this is NOT what I am saying happened, but I think that is what tracknole was stating.
by thirdcoastnole on Nov 12, 2008 8:22 PM EST up reply actions
From Urban Dictionary: To Stom;
stomp
The act of throwing someone on the ground and stepping on the very hard over and over again. This is extremely painful. Only do this to people whom you don’t like.
Don’t get Martin mad, or he’ll stomp you.
Again, I am not saying this is what happened, and tracknole hasn’t said that he was there.
For the Record.....And ask anyone present
It was definitely over 10 players (some of which i’m surprised were out there). It was 4 fraternity dudes.
Did the sucker punch happen? Yea, but it was the football player hitting the frat guy.
The crazy thing with the stories being report is how it sounds:
1 frat guy (about 5’10, 165lbs) walked up to a football player with a bunch of his football teammates and sucker punches him. I don’t know if yall ever stood next to our football players, but they are very very big (recruiting-wise, i’m happy about that). There was a posting out there that compared the frat guys to “kids.” No these were grown men as well, but, honestly, next to the football players they looked like kids. I mean seriously…who is dumb enough to walk up to the football team. I can see maybe if it was the kicking squad, but it wasn’t. And plus, if someone messed with Gano than i’d have to jump in. We’ve waited to long for high-caliber kicker lol.
We are so deep at WR....
This is terrible news, but I’m sitting here thinking about a starting lineup of PP, Fortson, and Owens…..and that’s not too bad!
Bobby took the high road...
and the only road he should haven chosen. We have no idea what happened and this will continue to spiral into a terrible game of he said she said. At the very least, we should be grateful that none of our players were hurt and if anyone was injured during the incident (bystander or not) I wish them a speedy recovery. Whether you’re a football player or not, there really isn’t any excuse for this. Seriously immature. Again, I hope the true story favors our guys taking the high road and not instigating these unnecessary antics.
Tallahassee Democrat
http://www.tallahassee.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20081112/BREAKINGNEWS/81112030&s=d&page=2#pluckcomments
was not self defense
The Player at FSU was not jumped but instigated the altercation with the student and while fighting other members of the football team proceeded to jump the student and several others.
One of the Females Assaulted
Greetings all I see that every one has an opinon on the issue and being that I was one of the females mentioned I figured that I would post. The altercation was in fact instigated by the FSU football players and there was a union full of witnesses who saw and lots who are making reports sorry to say that the team members where in the wrong in this instance. I think its sad because the other young lady that was assaulted had to go the emergency room and will now need surgery for the damage that they caused. I understand alot of you love the football team but these young men deservemore than inside punishment they have committed a crime and physically hurt a young woman, and they deserved to be punished
Nole04
Welcome to Tomahawk Nation. I’m sorry this happened to you and if true, nobody here condones that sort of behavior.
You have mail (to the e-mail you registered). Please check and respond.
by Bud Elliott on Nov 12, 2008 10:18 PM EST up reply actions
not saying you are not who you say you are…
but what sort of assaulted female from an altercation that happened less than 24 hrs ago gets released from medical watch, registers on a Nole blog, and calls out the players…
may be in the wrong, but just seems odd to me
by thirdcoastnole on Nov 12, 2008 10:36 PM EST up reply actions
Agree with Thirdcoastnole
That would be very strange.
If I am wrong, I apologize and don’t mean to be offensive…..just calling it how it looks.
I agree, if I am wrong I apologize.
But this happened less than 11 hrs ago, and would a “victim?”/witness be reporting this on a Noles blog, or giving their statements to police, who I am sure said not to say anything of the matter to the media, much less on a sports blog.
by thirdcoastnole on Nov 12, 2008 11:15 PM EST reply actions
My view is changing from earlier
Two key points have changed:
1) Injuries — there were four people injured and apparently none of them were football players. Perhaps it was self defense, but you would think somebody on the “defending” side would have been hurt. This doesn’t prove anything, of course, but it is cause for pause. Also, hospitalization makes it much more likely criminal charges will be filed. And with so many witnesses and with it happening in broad daylight, obfuscation will probably not work
2) The “self defense” version appears to be losing steam. At the least, Easterling was defended with overzealousness. At the worst, these guys were playing offense the whole time.
I would now guess that this will have a significant impact on the team.
Fsued,
we know that none of the football players sought medical treatment. We don’t know if they elected not to take it, if they high-tailed it out of there, or if they just figured they could get it at the training room (assuming they were, in fact injured).
I tend to agree with your logic on #2, but remember a few factors. 1) we have 2 VERY interested parties here— only one of which gave their stories apparently.
Let’s pray for the injured participants quick healing.
I can only hope that the actions of 4 (if it is only 4) won’t impact the 81.
by Bud Elliott on Nov 12, 2008 11:55 PM EST up reply actions
Regarding:
1) With so many conflicting witnesses (I have heard some witnesses claim that no one was injured and others claim that two we’re injured and others that FSU players started it and others that the Frat started it) and no conclusive video evidence of the actual scene, the amount of hearsay implies that no charges will actually be filed.
The fact that bystanders were injured will not be cause to claim culpability or charges on anyone, just as someone getting injured in a car accident does not automatically impugn the injurer, the one injured may have been in the wrong to begin with by breaking the traffic violation, putting the one who injured in an untenable situation
2) Even if it was self defense, one has to realize that these are football players in top condition against regular students. They could self defend themselves and seriously hurt someone in the process. If they’re legally inculpable, then the injuries sustained by the provoking party shouldn’t be used as a sympathy that would reverse blame. To use an uncouth example, if someone breaks into your home (they’re at fault) and you shoot and kill them (which is within your rights in florida) the dude who broke in is still at fault.
The fact that no arrests were made at the scene does bode well for our players, as callous as that sounds. The prior knowledge and implications that the fraternity were threatening and causing trouble with the player earlier in the week also bodes well for the players.
The fact that the self defense argument is “losing steam” and citing that claim with media backlash is laughable. The media is going to side against FSU and the players in this situation no matter what happens, as it is a better story. We’ll see what happens
I agree with much of this but will offer a small rebuttal
1. There were definitely injuries. I’m pretty sure all the recent media reports have confirmed this. 2 girls and 2 guys. The girls are FSU students. The reports don’t indicate if the guys attend FSU.
Even if you declare the players v. fraternity to be a wash, the bystanders could still press charges; assuming, of course, that they could identify who injured them in such a meelee.
I’m not sure if your driving and castle doctrine examples apply here, under Florida law, but I’m not going to launch into a legal debate after midnight. The castle doctrine is specialized and allows one to use deadly force to defend their home in a situation in which it would be unrealistic to ask the homeowner to ascertain the intent of the intruder.
Another relevant question is “in defending himself from a non-deadly attack, did the player use justified force in a measured way to stop the attack?” Essentially, this would be their way of getting the player for the alleged stomping that took place once the player allegedly fought off the initial attack.
Obviously, we don’t want any players arrested. The overriding concern, however, is that we don’t want players behaving in the manner that some have accused them of behaving in.
Who was justifying the argument losing steam by citing media backlash? I must have missed that. As of now, we are in wait and see mode.
by Bud Elliott on Nov 13, 2008 12:33 AM EST up reply actions
Well ....
1) My only point on injuries is that they are easy to quantify and qualify and IF there are injuries, that usually means there are victims and if there are victims that usually means a crime has been committed — not always, but often.
2) On No. 2, not sure what you are talking about with a media backlash — two words that did not appear in my post. As a member of the media, I also take exception to your claim that the media is going to side against FSU. My experience in the media is that we side on the side of the truth and it’s the fans that generally decide to take sides for their team.
I also do not share your view that no arrests at the scene is cause for optimism. Well, actually, I did share that view early on , but once it became clear that this was a melee, it’s very common for arrests to come after the fact.
Finally, please be careful about calling people’s opinions “laughable” (especially when they didn’t actually claim the opinion you are ridiculing). There are other sites that welcome that type of histrionics. We’re trying to talk things out on this site — it sure doesn’t mean we agree all the time, but I believe the site moderators are aiming for discourse at its highest level.
Thanks.
Thats crazy. I walked through the union at least twice today and I didn’t see anything out of the ordinary.
by StudentSectionRepresent on Nov 13, 2008 4:48 AM EST reply actions
SSR, welcome to T'Nation
It’s a shame that this had to happen. Hopefully we will know more today.
by Bud Elliott on Nov 13, 2008 11:53 AM EST up reply actions
wow All this sucks. I think we should look at it like the GT game and just let others deal with it whos job it is. We need get it to the players that we have a game in 2 days agenst one of if not the best D we have faced to date. Dont get me wrong I pray that the truth comes out and if people were hurt that there is nothing wrong with them and heal fast. Last if our players did or didnt do it the fact is that some of them never go there on Wed and were there yesterday. This means someone knew something was going to happen and thats the wrong anwser. If there are problems the players should know they can go to the coaches I bet Bobby has more pull in the school than any teacher or hell even the dean. I dont know what happened and I dont know what its was about but If you put your self in a situation for something bad to posably happen then 9 times out of 10 it will.
Need an Update
I left work yesterday at 5:30 thinking that it was self-defense and that there will probably be no repercusions since there were no arrests. Since then this is what I found out this morning: (Please correct me if I am wrong in any of these)
- No arrest have been made YET. Meaning some could come, however there are way too many stories out there and FSUPD is gathering all the information.
- Reports are that if was not self defense and in fact Easterling sucker punched the frat guy.
- 2 girls were hurt apparently by a flying chair. one of them had to go to TMH with a broken nose.
- There were more than 4 players involved.
- Coach said nothing after practice
That sounds about right?? When will we found out more and if there are any suspensions, arrests. etc. This is not looking good at all.
The reports of it not being self-defense and more than 4 players being involved are far from confirmed. That is what we are waiting on, mostly.
Every other point seems to be true.
I don't have a source inside FSU PD
Andrew Carter has an update— No News
I think it is safe to assume that there were more than 4 players involved eventually, but maybe not at the beginning.
by Bud Elliott on Nov 13, 2008 12:26 PM EST up reply actions
You know the players should know better. These are not kids. They are young MEN. they should know that if they get into trouble that there is more at stake than some pride thing. the 4 palyers we think might be involved are the top WR for our team. Also they are all good enough to play on Sun. But if they do things, (not saying they did) they might get a few games they cant play to getting kicked off the team. Last year some idiots cheated on an online test and we lost a bowl game to UK. Im not saying we lost it becasue of them but we lost it. Also because of that we were short handed for the wake game and I think it might have hurt us. 9 points in that game sence then we have put up some good numbers. This is all BS. I want to know what kind of problems has this Frat. had in the past.
I'd like to know their history as well.
Everyone seems to be closing ranks as well.
by Bud Elliott on Nov 13, 2008 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
I am anxious
to hear all of the details according to what we know as fact. Too many conflicting reports. Earlier I posted, “good for them” if they stuck up for their teammates. However I am rethinking this slightly. Good for them if they stuck up for them, but not good for them if they escalated it. A good teammate if they see the fight occuring will talk some sense into the other player. If it is true that Eastlering GOT sucker-punched I absolutely condone the players defending their teammate. Whoever introduced chairs into the mix, which is being used as a weapon, weather a player or not should be arrested. If however, Easterling provoked this (or another player) the teammates should have held him accountable and gotten him away from the situation. Football players need to be above reproach.
If Bert Reed is involved in this we need to cut our losses. Give his scholarship to someone who wants it, say Louis Givens!
Facts:
4 people injured, 2 of whom were female FSU students.
Now, here is something interesting… the injured female students… apparently are members of the fraternity (it’s a multi-gender fraternity i guess).
I think you need to determine the extent of Reed’s involvement. Prior transgressions should not be held against a teammate defending another if that is indeed what happened.
Louis Givens for kick returner.
by Bud Elliott on Nov 13, 2008 12:45 PM EST up reply actions
They are not members of the fraternity…..fraternities (afro-american mostly) have “sisters”, meaning sororities that they are affiliated with.
by ChileanNole on Nov 13, 2008 12:50 PM EST up reply actions
No arrests yet
Police are in “ASAP” mode according to Andrew Carter….
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/sports_college_fsu/2008/11/fsu-pd-no-arres.html
Will it affect this weekend’s game?? or is it too late now….
by ChileanNole on Nov 13, 2008 12:57 PM EST up reply actions
Not sure yet. They still have a LOT of time.
I am worried to be honest…
by Bud Elliott on Nov 13, 2008 12:58 PM EST up reply actions
this is what really happened
The beef DID start at Floyd’s the night before, because one of the football players called on of the Fraternity Brothers cousins a bitch (Sigma Lambda Gamma). Its a unique fraternal family. The football players came to the union on Wednesday (which they NEVER do) because they knew the Sigma’s (nickname for Phi Beta Sigma) would be there, and they knew they would get away with starting trouble. Then one of the football players punched a Sigma named Terrence when he wasn’t looking and that is what started the fight. This is FACT because we were all there to see it. Then one of the Sigma’s sorority sisters of Zeta Phi Beta was hit in the head with a chair as well as some other people.
This was started by the football players thinking they could do anything and get away with it. The union is a place where frats and sororities table, hand out, stroll, step, and recruit interests… not a place that football players EVER come to, because they have no reason to be there unless they are greek.
I have heard that side of the story too.
Couple of things. Wednesday at the union are notorious for the fraternities and sororities being out there like you mentioned, but it is not the only thing going on. there are plenty of other organizations out there as well as vendors and the food court.
In my years at FSU I did see FSU players at the union on wednesday but very ramdomly.
Are football players ONLY...
allowed to be at the practice fields, stadium, weight room and class room. They are students remember and have just as much a right to be there as anyone else. Certainly, groups of people have their typical places to hang out, but to say that the only reason they showed up at the Union was to start trouble because they knew they could get away with it? Really? I do hope we get the real story and I do hope that those who were injured have a speedy recovery. This is a tragic event regardless of who or how it started. No need for any of this from a football player, fraternity or sorority member. There are bigger issues with which to deal…I hope that the investigation is thorough and fair (HA!).
There is a difference between having a right with being in the right.
I just want this investigation to be over with quickly, regardless of who is guilty.
Football players can come to the Union if they want to, however, if they came there with a purpose that is concerning.
Right....
I was just thinking about what I wrote and I was going to add the following addendum:
If the football players went to the Union with the intention of causing trouble, then they are in the wrong. We shouldn’t assume that their presence meant that. Exactly right FSUncensored….if they went with mal-intentions, then they deserve punishment. Again, a quick investigation with answers would make us all feel a little more at ease, regardless of the outcome.
any news?
been reading the last couple days and decided to join—despite the circumstances, what a great site! this whole thing is unfortunate and will give our program yet another black eye regardless of the outcome. Does anyone have any new info at this point? Heading out from Richmond, VA in about 30 mins to drive through the rain all the way to Tally for the game Saturday…GO Noles!
Honestly the news is tough to come by, because the usual contacts aren't as useful.
It’s a police matter this point.
Thanks for joining up! I hope you’ll stick around.
Site is Too Good!
Absolutely love your work here FSUncensored! In depth, thoughtful, serious contributors. Hoping that the posters stick to Seminole Sports, and no “provacateurs” welcomed. Keep this site above the fray of the trash out there!
wac
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"That 2 guys are gone. A third strike for one, and the other for the chair throwing. We will see. "
This is the only place I’ve seen this. Insider info? Should I give it much weight?
sigh and I loved screaming Berrrrrt Reeeeed! at the games
It's just a very prominent rumor.
I will say that I’d expect them to be gone if those two aren’t clean coming out this.
agReed
I said after his last suspension that if he’s not squeaky clean from here on out he needs to go and give his scholly to some else. Maybe give him another shot next year as a walk on. If he’s involved he clearly doesn’t have the character I want in our Noles.
If We Were A Powerhouse...
Back when I was a student (97-00) this never would have made the press, because we were a powerhouse national contender… now we are not, so this story is everywhere… Just another sign of how far things have fallen. Oh well, I still can’t wait to be in the crowd for the Maryland game on the 22nd… Go Noles!
PS disband the fraternity for hurting the program… bunch of douchebag thugs.
The fraternity should definitely face punishment,
if they are fostering an atmosphere of fear or intimidation in the union.
by Bud Elliott on Nov 13, 2008 11:51 PM EST up reply actions
It's the time not a "Powerhouse" thing
I’m a current grad student at FSU but in (98-00) I was a student and athlete at my first college. The reason that things are more widespread now has more to do with blogs than the strength of the team. Back when you went to FSU, chat rooms were still the new and usuall thing, leaving no running tabs on comments, so if you weren’t in the room you didn’t hear. Also few people carried cell phones to get information as quickly. As such, media needs to cover things as quickly as possible so they don’t seem to be out of the loop.
As an example, while at my school we had 2 major incidents one, was an alleged rape (turned out to be consentual sex where she got knocked up) by 3 football players, it was reported in the AP but nothing much. Second incident was 5 wrestlers jumping 2 soccer players and putting them in the hospital. Wrestlers were suspended for the rest of the semester, then reinstated the next semester as they were needed for wrestling season. The news didn’t even make the local paper. Not a big school, but a Southern Baptist School which raises the “news worthyness.”
I think in the past many major programs were able to hide most of the transgressions of their athletes, and even in high school many star athletes get special treatment and free passes. But as information has become more readily available in the near decade since you left here that has become a thing of the past. College sports, esspecially in a nationally recognized sport/school/conference is done in a fish bowl and ADs and Coaches have to get it into the heads of these high school stars that they can’t and won’t be given special treatment if the act like they did before they got here.
Chasen, welcome to T'Nation.
I really don’t think anyone here is condoning fighting in the union— at least I hope not. Personally, I don’t really care if our guys fight someone when they have a beef, but I don’t want it done in the union. That is sheer idiocy.
Increased media exposure is surely the top cause. Heck, even the top teams in the Nation experience highly publicized problems— take Jimmy Johns allegedly dealing cocaine in the parking lot of the practice field at Alabama.
by Bud Elliott on Nov 14, 2008 12:11 AM EST up reply actions
I can’t help but wonder if this had happened 10 years ago what the end result would be. Not much I’m guessing. However, now that it is highly publicized, someone is going to have to be made an example and everyone involved is going to have receive some kind of punishment.
I think Uncensored is right. Whoever threw the first punch and whoever threw a chair is gone. The rest will sit out at least one game if not the rest of the season depending if they hurt anyone. I suspect a few of them may not have even been fighting, but may have been trying to pull guys or push guys away, but I wonder if that will actually come through in the reports.
Also I hateWedensday’s. It’s trashy having those vendors there (same with the two hot dog stands elsewhere and the DVD guy in front of the bookstore who are there everyday). The union is a bad spot period, always crowded, I bet fights start their a lot.
Jag,
with 2 very different stories and 2 camps closing ranks (Sigs are telling one unified story, as I’m sure the team is), we will have a “meet in the middle effect”
I’ve also heard that the chair thrower was not one of our guys, but rather that it was thrown at one of our guys and he deflected it into the girl. That’s unconfirmed though and I’m not putting it on the main rumor page.
We'll have to see what the punishment is...
You may be right about the flow of information now, but we’ll have to see how the players are punished as well. Looking back to the last championship year, 99, we had quite a few problems that year. When Warrick and Coles were arressted at Dillards it was a huge story, but Warrick received a relatively light punishment (Coles was dismissed, but he had many prior incidents). Also if anyone remembers, Sebastian Janikowski was a real problem at FSU, but Bowden said on national TV that he has different rules for his polish players… everyone let it go because we were an amazing program…
I say for the team you make them do stadium steps till they collapse, and for the fraternity you expel the students and disband the chapter.
I say for the team you make them do stadium steps till they collapse, and for the fraternity you expel the students and disband the chapter.
I’ll go out on a limb and say that won’t happen ;)
by Bud Elliott on Nov 14, 2008 11:29 AM EST up reply actions
I know, but a guy can dream...
The amount of money the players bring into the University is staggering… for what they give to the school they deserve some slack (At least for first time offenders)… what do these fraternity douches bring in? Step shows in the Union? Fantastic…
I agree the 1st time offenders will get off
There are, however, 2 non-1st time offenders here, and the one is definitely expendable since he won’t be around.
by Bud Elliott on Nov 14, 2008 11:36 AM EST up reply actions
So Easterling may be suspended but not dismissed??
by ChileanNole on Nov 14, 2008 11:38 AM EST up reply actions
Not hearing anything on Taiwan yet
it’d be PURE speculation on my part. Did you get my email?
by Bud Elliott on Nov 14, 2008 11:39 AM EST up reply actions
I'm sure the frat reps will soon show up and comment as to what they bring to the University.
by Bud Elliott on Nov 14, 2008 11:38 AM EST up reply actions
well what they bring to the univeristy is nothing compared to what the Football team brings…
by ChileanNole on Nov 14, 2008 11:40 AM EST up reply actions
I was in one...
Some do a lot of good around the campus and city… others do not…
One that takes actions that directly leads to the suspension/expulsion of FSU football players should be taken down… I can’t imagine FSU without football, its easy to imagine FSU without Fraternities…
BTW
This site rules… Tough to find people up here in Philly/Jersey who want to talk about the Noles… everyone wants to talk about that old limping ass JoePa and the Choking Lions…
Well, the discussion is unrealistic either way. We're not losing football or fraternities.
by Bud Elliott on Nov 14, 2008 11:52 AM EST up reply actions
Fraternities can be kicked out of school. It has happened before
by ChileanNole on Nov 14, 2008 11:57 AM EST up reply actions
Recently if I remember
Didn’t one just get their charter back last year or something?
by floundringaround on Nov 14, 2008 11:59 AM EST up reply actions
They CAN
I am just saying that they will NOT be saddled with most of the blame here. Read into that what you will.
by Bud Elliott on Nov 14, 2008 12:02 PM EST up reply actions
Great Site
FSUncensored, I love the site. Your analysis is incredible and I like getting rumors too. You have been bookmarked. Keep up the good work.
MP
New Link of Eye Witness report
Here is a new link:
Nothing is official yet. I'll just be surprised if they make it.
No other word on other stuff.
by Bud Elliott on Nov 14, 2008 11:19 AM EST up reply actions
wow ….losing Reed would be terrible. Surrency is not so bad. He hasn lived it to his billing and was not going to get the extar year of eligibility…….We better step up our recruiting efforts on Andre Debose he can come in and contribute EARLY
by ChileanNole on Nov 14, 2008 11:37 AM EST up reply actions
Reed is replaceable.
There are a lot of track stars who can run slants and catch bubbles.
We’re not getting Debose, IMO. Did you get my e-mail?
by Bud Elliott on Nov 14, 2008 11:44 AM EST up reply actions
I feel we pull Downs, Haulstead, and Sanders and qualify 2 of the 3.
by Bud Elliott on Nov 14, 2008 11:48 AM EST up reply actions
Downs should qualify according to what I have heard. Haulstead is looking around but should stick. Reed had shown that extra gear we had been missing for a while here thats why I think it hurts losing him.Heck lets give Givens a scholly and we should be fine he is only a Sophmore right??
by ChileanNole on Nov 14, 2008 11:54 AM EST up reply actions
I doubt Haulstead goes to Michigan.
We could definitely use Chris Thompson in Reed’s role.
by Bud Elliott on Nov 14, 2008 12:04 PM EST up reply actions
What about Smith?
You don’t think we keep him?
It definitely makes it tougher to move Downs to Safety. Jawanza Starling is an absolute necessity. And I think we have to pick up Ricco Sanders too. I think Branden Smith is a pipe dream, unfortunately.
PS- This is the best Nole site on the internet. It’s a shame that it’s taken an event like this fight for me, an avid reader since the FSUncensored blog days, to finally join up.
I forgot about Smith. I have no indications that we lose him, my apologies.
Thanks for reading! Glad you finally joined and hope you contribute regularly going forward.
I’m more confident in Sanders than most.
just curious,where are you guys seeing these names?
or are we just making assumptions? i can’t find that info anywhere…
Just talking to some folks.
This isn’t being officially reported anywhere.
I’m cool with reporting rumor as long as it is noted as such.
by Bud Elliott on Nov 14, 2008 12:20 PM EST up reply actions
Losing both hurts in my opinion, we need both for our remaining games. Surrency’s loss hurts because he was just starting to come on and he creates matchup problems, now Defenses can bunker down on Carr all the time and not have to worry about Surrency on the other side. On top of that, I was really pulling for the kid with all he’s been through in his personal life, but I guess old habits die hard. Reed’s loss hurts because he is arguably the fastest guy on our team, a perfect slot receiver in our system, plus he was a freshmen and had his best years ahead of him. Can’t really say I feel sorry for either though, they put themselves in this position and had been suspended earlier in the year, we don’t need guys like this on our football team. Give one of those schollies to Louis Givens!!!
I'm holding out hope we keep the slot guy.
I am about 95% convinced the Senior is gone. As of 10:51 central time.
by Bud Elliott on Nov 14, 2008 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
Tough Break
Surrency has had some tough breaks in his life and it looked as if he was starting to put it together as all-day mentioned but if he indeed threw the chair then he needs to be gone.
by ChileanNole on Nov 14, 2008 11:56 AM EST up reply actions
Why are you afraid
to use names? I think you have been forthright in saying it is purely speculation, but thats what bloggers do. Anyway, thanks for following this for us. I think they both hurt. I would agree with all_day on just about everything. However, we also have to look at how much like incidents such as these hurt us. For 4 weeks now we have been distracted with suspensions and now this. The only way to put an end to this is to cut our losses. Yes they are VERY talented players, but they both create more problems than they do solutions. I think if Bert Reed played a major role in this, he’s done. For a solid month now he has proved he can not be trusted, nor does he have an ounce of discipline. Football players need better judgment, regardless, if it ‘wasnt’ their fault. Its like Adam Jones constantly putting himself in bad situations. If 98% of the team can follow the rules, why can’t you?
Goodbye and enjoy playing at Tennessee A&M Bert.
Was asked by someone not to for now.
FSU fans know who I am talking about, and that is the primary group I am concerned with.
I agree about the discipline comment Re: reed. It’s not a “bad guy” thing, it’s a lack of personal responsibility.
by Bud Elliott on Nov 14, 2008 12:10 PM EST up reply actions
What really sucks about this is that if you have ever met Bert or Smurf, they would be the last guys you would ever think to cause problems.
Bert yes, Smurf No. They do seem like good guys from what i hear, but this stuff can’t go on.
I don’t give a damn if you smoke weed. Make sure to follow the “pee chart.” West Side story thuggery needs to stop, though.
by Bud Elliott on Nov 14, 2008 12:13 PM EST up reply actions
At least one more day
Whats going to happen is any finalized report that has been made will be held until Sunday morning, ensuring all players make it to the BC game. I think Bobby has enough pull with anything to do with the school to make that happen. After that, who knows? But if anyone is going it will certainly be Reed. This will be his third strike in four weeks and I’m sorry but that’s not good enough. And if Surrency did indeed toss the chair, I agree with you ChileanNole, he has to go as well.
by floundringaround on Nov 14, 2008 11:58 AM EST reply actions
Not only does he have to 'go'
from the team, he has to ‘go’ to jail. You can’t just constantly feel sorry for someone if they aren’t going to do anything about it. Yeah, tough breaks in your like Corey, why don’t you turn it around? I don’t want to hear the culture being blamed or you rough past. It’s on you! Also, nor do I think Bowden would pull the police to withhold a report for a day. He’s played without recievers the last 4 weeks and can certainly do it again. Also, wouldn’t that create a lot more problems tomorrow and a lack of focus tomorrow. At least today he can let his players sleep on it and move on.
You can play
DVO at WR. I still trust our defense to step up tomorrow. At least they aren’t getting in fights. What would we do then?
I don't think D'Vo would make a good wideout
and he is more valuable to use as the changeup QB weapon.
by Bud Elliott on Nov 14, 2008 12:12 PM EST up reply actions
Was making a point
I guess not very well. My point was the it doesn’t matter who we line up at WR that our defense will step up and win this game for us. I agree that DVO wouldn’t make a good WR nor would I want to see him line up there. We may just have to put this game in our defenses hands, as we have the last 4 years.
Oh, agree 100% about the defense.
It’s very veteran and very talented
by Bud Elliott on Nov 14, 2008 12:42 PM EST up reply actions
DVO
DVO started out as a receiver back when he did football and baseball. He just switched to QB last year because thats where Fisher thought he was best. Not saying it will happen, or that I want it to happen, because we all love watching DVO come in for a designed run and the opposing defense still can’t stop him, but it’s not that far-fetched.
by basbalstr101 on Nov 14, 2008 2:17 PM EST up reply actions
Givens
does everyone see him as a viable replacement for Reed? I wonder if Jarmon will step up his game. Guy has a lot of potential, hopefully he can fulfill some of that sooner than later.
I think he has proved this year that he can be sufficient filling in, he is no Bert Reed mind you, but he is damn fast and has alot of heart to go along with it, and probably most important, he can be depended on to fulfill his obligations off the field.
Curious
what have you seen from him so far that proves that? He has 2 or 3 receptions. I agree that he’s fast, but I’ll reserve judgment to see if he can fill in.
by Bud Elliott on Nov 14, 2008 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
Agree
That’s why i posed the question. I have only seen him catch 2 or 3 balls like you said but havent seen anything else out of him. He looks to have comparable speed to Reed but other than that he seems like a question mark. And like i posted previously rumor has it that his hands have been questionable in practice in the return game
I've heard that he led the SAC in kick returns.
Also, he holds the ball very loosely, as you can see on the reverse he ran (up until the end).
by Bud Elliott on Nov 14, 2008 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
Well I said he is no Bert Reed, I agree with you that he will help soften the blow of Reed, but from what I saw at the Spring game and the practice reports, he seems consistent and always seems to be making plays. I know that just practice, but if he can translate that onto the football field, I think he can be sufficient is filling the role. I guess I worded it wrong, he really hasn’t proved anything so far.
Jarmon Fortson
i want to see this guy get involved somehow these last three games. Guy showed he could dominate games in hs, now lets see that if he show us something in college
have you seen his film from the ga State champ game?
Sometimes those wideouts who aren’t pure track guys take longer to develop.
by Bud Elliott on Nov 14, 2008 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
yeah thats what i was referring to when i said he could dominate a hs game...
he was ridiculous in that game. hell of a comeback. i dont know normally get to see a lot of hs film on these guys living in Ohio and originally being from Boston, but i did see that.
If I had said that we would have to depend on Preston Parker in this game...
back in August.. you’d have said “Thanks, Cap’n Obvious”
by Bud Elliott on Nov 14, 2008 12:37 PM EST up reply actions
Good Point
Or even Greg Carr. He has been pretty quiet this year but would have seemed like a shoe-in to be our go-to guy.
Givens
is fast as hell but has trouble catching the ball. He’s no Bert Reed.
by andy_wooster on Nov 14, 2008 2:07 PM EST up reply actions
The Sig media onslaught
While I fully buy that Easterling and Co. started the fight, frankly, I feel that two points need to be made in direct rebuttal to the current Sig media blitz:
1. ANYONE has a right to be in the Union, assuming they’re not missing class. No one holds a monopoly on Market Wednesdays, least of all the Smurfs. I’m pretty sure that in my ye olde heyday at FSU, I saw plenty of patchouli and tie-dye, too, for example.
2. The Sigs were clearly willing to tussle. Otherwise, it wouldn’t have turned into a chair-throwing, hair-pulling melee. EVERYONE MUST SHARE SOME BLAME for the events in the Union.
Hmmm.
Not sure.
I think the chair-thrower is done.
But I also think we’ll see suspensions, etc. for the football players – and not one lick of punishment for the fraternity involved.
So what's the story with Easterling?
First storied I heard had him as the guy who had the fight started by being sucker punched…now it seems that only BR and CS are the ones taking the fall.
Any info on him?
Also, how much (if at all) do you think this changes how FSU gameplans for the BC game?
I think the firs offense thing applies here
Surrency and Reed had been in trouble and thats why I think they are mentioned as being in more trouble (correct me if I’m wrong)
That's my guess, too.
I think the fact that they’ve both been in trouble before does not bode well for them.
I wouldn’t be surprised if Easterling were suspended for this game, but I’d be shocked if Carr were punished.
ESPN Reporting on it on Sports Center now...
Apparently there will an announcement from Bowden this afternoon as to what he will do with the players involved according to Lisa Salters. There have been 25 statements taken, many of which are conflicting. Reportedly “none of the players involved were starters.”
Well they arent technically
the starters are parker and carr but we all now that they are contributors
Right...
…just contributing what is being said in the media. Fortunately we are deep enough at receiver that the impact may be limited (I hope).
Just wanted to say LOVE the site and keep up the good work
Found the site earlier this season and been following it closely. Your coverage of this incident and your post-game breakdowns are fantastic. Keep it up.
Curious as to how this may have changed our
overall gameplan. I trust that Jimbo has been preparing to make so adjustments.
Also, the Frat will recieve some sort of punishment (imo). What happens is most frats are national frats and if they have too many strikes, they can be in fact disbarred from their national fraternity. They can be suspended from school. They can get NTA’s (essentially arrests).
All of these things are still possible. I am anxious for Bobby’s press conference.
If they play cover-2 all day we will run stretches on themm all day.
What are NTA’s? Unfamiliar with term.
NTAs
Unfortunately, I know these all to well. Had a few of them from my days in Tally! Never for fighting though, and I hope when Bobby is done today the WR Core is not completely devistated!
by UnstopaNole99! on Nov 14, 2008 1:56 PM EST up reply actions
Notice to Appear
in court. These are handed out like condoms on college campuses. Its an arrest without being taken to jail in handcuffs. They will have to deal with the consequences the court lies out. Many times the court will just send them back to dean of students office.
Respect!
I know you have hear this all the time FSUncensored, but this is the best Noles site on the Web! Much Respect!
thanks Unstoppanole99
Let’s hope the Noles come away from this mess showing the NCAA that they don’t tolerate outright thuggery. Part of this disciplinary action could be dog-n-pony show for the NCAA.
Is this just for this game??
Could there be more after the full report is out?? Do you still think the 2 are gone
I'm a little disappointed...
This is strike 3 on Reed. And yet we merely suspend him for a game?
::sigh::
How are we ever going to get past our reputation as a program soft on punishment with crap like this?
Very disappointing.
It is indeed
They are actually expanding into the space next to them right now…
by floundringaround on Nov 14, 2008 6:27 PM EST up reply actions
So random, but...
…my Gate friend just IM’ed me that Percy Harvin is practically throwing out of the Wildcat formation.
Ah yes, Mullens’ gimmicky offense…I guess this’ll need to be updated:
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1252/1468990095_15989866d7.jpg
You're Joking
I have been saying this for the longest. Put D’VO and Ponder on the field a t the same time!!!
Am I the only one...
that sees the word “Chair” and instantly laughs?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHhE25NMp5s
“You aint even gotta hit nobody with the chair”
Life is nothing but Beats & Rhymes
Fortson for Surrency a downgrade?
I don’t know. I know Fortson has been a non-factor this year, but Surrency wasn’t blowing my socks off. I think Fortson could come out and make a few big plays. Although as I write this, I kind of see how that’s unlikely.
It is a downgrade
Especially considering that Surrency was starting to make big plays. 2 agaisnt Clemson. Fortson is not as fast but is more physical. Plus Fortson is only a Freshman and hasnt seen the field as much. lastly, Surrency’s best attribute was downfield blocking and that will surely be missed.
Surrency has a ton of talent, and I haven't seen much from Fortson yet. Let's hope he proves us wrong.
Surrency was really coming on strong.
Surrency
Talent wise Surrency is by far the most talented wr, if he is gone it would sure be a huge loss not just for now but in the future, this guy could have been amazing. Soft hands, great ball skills, fast, big, great blocker he had everything
I am hearing NO, and... I don't think he was putting himself in the position, ACADEMICALLY to stay another year.
If you catch my drift.
now i dont feel as bad loosing him for just 3 more games
i dont understand how any college athlete can not pass classes expecially with all of the help you can get from tutors and study halls
Dear Lord
so much promise from these guys on the field. so little promise from them off the field. way to blow it boys
Fortson
I saw Fortson play in the GA Dome in the state semi finals as a senior, and the guy is unreal. He might not be at the level of Surrency now but he also has not had the opportunity to make a play. The one chance he had against Miami he got a pass int. call but he made a great play on a bad thrown ball to get the interference call.
Well I’m hearing conflicting reports on Reed.
But I don’t think its cut and dry enough to presume that he’ll be gone next year as you have insinuated on the front page, SureNole
The administration is pissed and players will be gone because of this.
I do not expect him to be back.
My two cents...
…is that Reed is gone. What team in the country would keep a guy that has three suspensions in his Freshman year? There are more deserving players to get his scholarship money.
Why announce the suspensions the day before??
Wouldn’t it be wiser to just hold them out come game time? You gotta believe BC is taking notes.
Couldnt they have kept it under the radar? You know told our players behind closed doors you need to be ready you are going to play tommorrow without making it public just to keep BC in the dark and to make sure BC prepared for us as if we were going full strength.
I guess they could, but...
what if the report came out first? We’re caught with our pants down. Suspend now to say “look, we were being cautious pending the investigation.”
These boys need to learn....
I feel that the University needs to put its foot down and show the new kids what they expect. Reed and Surrency need to be gone and if Easterling indeed started the fight he should be done for the year. This must happen for the University to be taken seriously. Also, FSUncensored you are doing a great job. Enjoy reading your indepth articles.
More unsolicited praise for this site
To me, the only good thing that has come out of this incident is finding this website. I know you don’t criticize other sites – and I’m not here to name names – but I have to believe I’m not the only one who a) got fed up Wednesday and Thursday with a severe lack of information coming from a certain other site, b) did a Google search to find the information I was looking for, c) found this site, and then d) realized that point a has happened time and time again lately, and I’m officially SICK of it. I genuinely like the well-meaning people at this other site that I’m talking about, but just what am I paying $9.95 a month for these days? $10 a month and no rumors?? $10 per month for access to a premium messageboard with warnings of NO SPECULATION?? Are you kidding me??! To FSUncensored and the rest of my new trusted sources at Tomahawk Nation, THANK YOU for your website! I don’t know if this post will be welcomed or not, but I know I don’t speak for myself only. Congratulations again, and to anyone else reading this post who shares my sentiments: Please find a way to reach the poor souls on the premium messageboard at this other site who haven’t even figured out who threw the freaking chair. Find a way to direct them here. I understand that the other site has loyalties to its connections at the university, but at this point I believe that the situation has created a conflict of interest with its loyalty to its customers, and it is now charging customers for a service that it is not providing.
I haev tried to bring WC members over here to TN, but my posts get deleted. TN has brought more to the table this season that I can remember WC ever bringing.
by thirdcoastnole on Nov 14, 2008 6:09 PM EST up reply actions
Thanks for the props 3COASTNOLE
If you want to see a truly great site… check out AthleticsNation.com (150K views per month)
Thanks TMR
Every site has its place within the Seminole mediasphere.
Keep in mind that I don’t do player or coach interviews and I don’t have to worry about ruining a relationship with the coaching staff. Other sites depend on their ability to reach coaches and players. They can’t do something to jeopardize that relationship, especially because the new coaching staff is more unpredictable in the area of media relations.
I’m not going to comment on the other stuff. I used to be a member at a site like that, and it does have it’s positive attributed as well as its drawbacks. There’s a place for everyone.
Too many posts here. It’s getting overwhelming to read it all.
So, you think Reed and Surrency are done? If Easterling threw the first punch you don’t think he’s gone? There goes the one of the best receiving corps :(
I want to know whats going to happen to the frat. They had something to do with this. Im not going to beleave they had nothing to do with this carp
Toss Reed...
3 suspensions in a year is too much… toss him, but keep the rest with just the suspension… The Phi Sigs should be punished in a major way too…
Good thing the running game is on track this year… and sometimes when the younger guys get a chance they can really shine, maybe some good will come from this.
Preston Parker?
How could he possibly avoid this? He must have been hiding in the bushes. Well at least thats good news.
Poor judgement
I have read a great deal in the last two days, and tried hard to believe our players got caught in the wrong place at the wrong time. No one looks through rose colored glasses regarding our players more than me. However it does not add up. It pains me to admit it, but our receivers went to the union looking for retribution of some sort. Granted I was certainly not there, and this is a conclusion based on speculation and what I’ve read. But this was a monumetally stupid idea, and as bad as I want us to win the players deserve what they got. When you’re already on strike two or three you must be smarter than this. Hope Easterling gets another shot as he is a great story. FYI for future reference, when you go to rumble mix in some other positions and some third stringers, don’t deplete one position so severely.
I hope Easterling AND Reed get another shot.
If we have to sacrifice someone, Smurf is the guy.
by Bud Elliott on Nov 15, 2008 12:06 AM EST up reply actions
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