Success Rates... Florida State... Not Great (More Andrews concerns, film review, & other daily notes)
The most comprehensive breakdown of the Seminoles anywhere on the net... inside.
Rich at Chantrant has a cool story on a Myron Rolle radio interview.
First, listen to the coaches' press conferences (free):
Mickey Andrews Podcast 11.17 - Free
Of particular concern is this quote from Mickey:
Look at the two touchdowns and they had a pattern on both of them. On the first one there was a 47yard run on the first play, we had a penalty to keep drive alive, a 15yard penalty, so out of that 69-yard drive, only seven were actually earned because we should have made the tackle at the line of scrimmage and didn't. So plays like that, we just need to step up there and make the tackle and line up and play again and you don't know what is going to happen over the course of the game, you can't take plays back, but at the same time you see areas where you just need to dependent and go do your job and do it better than anybody on the field. On the other touchdown, it was a seven-play, 71yard drive. There was a 57yard pass and another interference penalty, it was only four-yards but it gave them a first down I think at the two (yard line) and then we didn't make a tackle. We had three guys that could have made the tackle, one guy knocked two of them off and he didn't make the tackle. Just go do your job and do it better than anybody on the field. If we had just done that we would have won the football game.
Not taking personal responsibility for the failures of your defense? Failing to understand what went wrong? Blaming the players? Resorting to cheap motivational tactics rather than admitting that you didn't call your best game?
What's more? Gene Williams (DotCom), of Warchant.com asks in his blog whether it's time to shake up the defensive coaching staff! ! Never thought I'd see that!
Jimbo Fisher Podcast 11.17 - Free
On the interception in the end zone:
When the receiver had inside leverage, it's his job to press the DB. The throw was there if we run that right [Carr]. Instead, we don't press it, the DB squeezed the receiver, and then we're out of position.
This is what I thought. Carr, who played a bad game, didn't run the route correctly.
Christian Ponder Podcast 11.17 - Free
No individual film breakdown this week. Instead, I'll comment on things I saw and will take questions on other things.
Leverage
I We discussed the concept of leverage here last week. Typically, the idea is to stay out of 2-8+ and 3-5+, or keep the opposition in those downs.
Boston College ran 48 plays on 2nd, 3rd, and 4th down. 21 were passing downs. 27 were non passing downs. That's a 56% LEVERAGE PERFORMANCE by the BC offense (or conversely, a 44% LEVERAGE rate by the defense). That's exceptional performance by BC's. Another key measurement is the % of passing downs out of total downs faced. BC faced 26% passing downs (21 of 81). That is excellent... for Boston College. The very best offenses face 20% passing downs. BC's offense is horrible, yet they were able to face only 26% passing downs. The FSU defense did not play very well.
Florida State ran 29 2nd/ 3rd/ 4th down plays. Of those, 19 were passing downs and 10 were non-passing downs, which is good for a 33% leverage rate. If you read the linked explanation, you'll realize that's terrible. Teams do not (and should not) expect to regularly succeed on passing downs. Florida State could not stay ahead of or even on schedule, and they paid dearly. What were our total passing downs? 35% of FSU's 59 plays were passing downs.
BC achieved incredible leverage, but what did they do with that leverage?
Success Rates
I discussed success rates last week.
Boston College
As discussed above, BC faced 27 NPD's, 21 PD's, and 87 total downs. Of those, they had success on 37 of the 81, or a 46% overall success rate. The goal is to limit opponents under 40% success, with 44% being the true tipping point.
BC's 1st downs
| Harris, M rush over left tackle for 47 yards to the FS22, 1ST DOWN BC (Rolle, M). | 1-10 | at Bc31 | 1D | 1 |
| Harris, M rush up middle for 2 yards to the FS20 (Nicholson, D). | 1-10 | at Fs22 | 1D | 0 |
| Crane, C screen pass complete to Gunnell, R for 1 yard to the FS11 (Robinson, P.). | 1-10 | at Fs12 | 1D | 0 |
| Crane, C deep pass incomplete to Momah, I. | 1-10 | at Bc43 | 1D | 0 |
| Crane, C deep pass incomplete to Larmond, C. | 1-10 | at Fs45 | 1D | 0 |
| Crane, C middle pass complete to Robinson, B for 3 yards to the FS40 (Carter, T). | 1-10 | at Fs43 | 1D | 0 |
| Haden, J rush over right tackle for 8 yards to the BC46 (Watson, D;Jenije, O). | 1-10 | at Bc38 | 1D | 1 |
| Harris, M rush right for 3 yards to the BC31 (McClure, D). | 1-10 | at Bc28 | 1D | 0 |
| Harris, M rush left for loss of 1 yard to the BC39 (Carter, T). | 1-10 | at Bc40 | 1D | 0 |
| PENALTY BC false start (Castonzo, A) 5 yards to the BC47. | 1-10 | at Fs48 | 1D | 0 |
| Haden, J rush left for 1 yard to the BC20 (Mincey, J). | 1-10 | at Bc19 | 1D | 0 |
| Haden, J rush right for 4 yards to the BC40 (Watson, D;Nicholson, D). | 1-10 | at Bc36 | 1D | 0 |
| Crane, C sideline pass incomplete to Robinson, B, dropped pass. | 1-10 | at Bc47 | 1D | 0 |
| Crane, C rush up middle for no gain to the FS35, fumble forced by Verdell, T, fumble by Crane, C recovered by FS Thacker, B at FS34. | 1-10 | at Fs35 | 1D | 0 |
| Harris, M rush over left guard for 2 yards to the BC35 (Nicholson, D;Mincey, J). | 1-10 | at Bc33 | 1D | 0 |
| Harris, M rush over right tackle for loss of 1 yard to the FS46 (Nicholson, D). | 1-10 | at Fs45 | 1D | 0 |
| Robinson, B deep pass incomplete to Gunnell, R. | 1-10 | at Fs32 | 1D | 0 |
| Crane, C rush QX for 5 yards to the FS13 (Verdell, T). | 1-10 | at Fs18 | 1D | 1 |
| Haden, J rush left for loss of 2 yards to the BC27 (Watson, D;White, M.,). | 1-10 | at Bc29 | 1D | 0 |
| Harris, M rush up middle for 6 yards to the BC35 (Brown, E). | 1-10 | at Bc29 | 1D | 1 |
| Crane, C flag pass complete to Gunnell, R for 23 yards to the FS30, 1ST DOWN BC, out-of-bounds (McClure, D). | 1-10 | at Bc47 | 1D | 1 |
| Harris, M rush up middle for 13 yards to the FS17, 1ST DOWN BC (Thacker, B). | 1-10 | at Fs30 | 1D | 1 |
| Crane, C slant pass intercepted by McClure, D at the FS13, McClure, D return 0 yards to the FS13. | 1-10 | at Fs17 | 1D | 0 |
| Harris, M rush up middle for 3 yards to the BC23 (White, M.,). | 1-10 | at Bc20 | 1D | 0 |
| Harris, M rush up middle for 4 yards to the BC36 (White, M.,). | 1-10 | at Bc32 | 1D | 0 |
| Harris, M rush over left tackle for loss of 1 yard to the FS45 (Brown, E). | 1-10 | at Fs44 | 1D | 0 |
| Harris, M rush over left end for 6 yards to the FS24 (Verdell, T;Robinson, J). | 1-10 | at Fs30 | 1D | 1 |
| Harris, M rush over right tackle for 3 yards to the FS15 (Nicholson, D;Stewart, K). | 1-10 | at Fs18 | 1D | 0 |
| Crane, C sacked for loss of 9 yards to the BC38 (Moffett, N), fumble by Crane, C recovered by FS Brown, E at BC36, Brown, E for 5 yards to the BC31 (TEAM). | 1-15 | at Bc47 | 1D | 0 |
| Harris, M rush up middle for 6 yards to the FS1 (Watson, D). | 1-G | at Fs07 | 1D | 1 |
| Crane, C sideline pass incomplete to Robinson, B, QB hurry by Watson, D. | 1-G | at Fs06 | 1D | 0 |
| Crane, C middle pass incomplete to Anderson, L (Robinson, J). | 1-G | at Fs02 | 1D | 0 |
| Harris, M rush over right guard for 2 yards to the FS3 (Brown, E). | 1-G | at Fs05 | 1D | 0 |
On a down specific basis, Boston College was successful on 8 of 33 1st Downs (26%), which is excellent first down defense by the Noles. BC did a nice job of gaining at least some yards on 1st down, however, and we'll see that it paid off in later downs as they stayed behind, but somewhat close to schedule.
BC's 2ND DOWNS
| Haden, J rush over left end for loss of 1 yard to the BC45 (Mincey, J). | Bc | 2-2 | at Bc46 | NPD | 0 |
| Harris, M rush over left tackle for 5 yards to the FS5, 1ST DOWN BC (Nicholson, D). | Bc | 2-2 | at Fs10 | NPD | 1 |
| Harris, M rush over right guard for 2 yards to the BC37 (Thacker, B). | Bc | 2-4 | at Bc35 | NPD | 0 |
| Crane, C rush over left tackle for 6 yards to the FS18, 1ST DOWN BC (Watson, D). | Bc | 2-4 | at Fs24 | NPD | 1 |
| Harris, M rush over right guard for 4 yards to the FS9 (Thacker, B). | Bc | 2-5 | at Fs13 | NPD | 1 |
| Haden, J rush over left guard for 7 yards to the BC47, 1ST DOWN BC (Verdell, T). | Bc | 2-6 | at Bc40 | NPD | 1 |
| Crane, C rush right for 5 yards to the BC41. | Bc | 2-6 | at Bc36 | NPD | 1 |
| Crane, C middle pass complete to Anderson, L for 5 yards to the FS35. | Bc | 2-7 | at Fs40 | NPD | 1 |
| Gunnell, R rush ER for 3 yards to the BC34 (McClure, D). | Bc | 2-7 | at Bc31 | NPD | 0 |
| Crane, C rush left for 9 yards to the BC32, 1ST DOWN BC. | Bc | 2-7 | at Bc23 | NPD | 1 |
| PENALTY FS offside defense (Stewart, K) 5 yards to the FS10, NO PLAY. | Bc | 2-7 | at Fs15 | NPD | 1 |
| Harris, M rush up middle for loss of 1 yard to the FS2 (Moffett, N;Verdell, T). | Bc | 2-G | at Fs01 | NPD | 0 |
| Harris, M rush left for 2 yards to the FS0, TOUCHDOWN, clock 00:48. | Bc | 2-G | at Fs02 | NPD | 1 |
| Harris, M rush over right end for loss of 1 yard to the FS4 (Watson, D). | Bc | 2-G | at Fs03 | NPD | 0 |
| Gunnell, R rush EL for 8 yards to the FS49, out-of-bounds. | Bc | 2-10 | at Bc43 | PD | 1 |
| Haden, J rush over right tackle for loss of 1 yard to the FS46 (Watson, D). | Bc | 2-10 | at Fs45 | PD | 0 |
| Haden, J rush up middle for loss of 2 yards to the BC45 (Watson, D). | Bc | 2-10 | at Bc47 | PD | 0 |
| Crane, C middle pass incomplete to Gunnell, R. | Bc | 2-10 | at Fs32 | PD | 0 |
| Crane, C sideline pass complete to Jarvis, J for 7 yards to the BC46 (Robinson, P.). | Bc | 2-11 | at Bc39 | PD | 1 |
| PENALTY FS pass interference (Robinson, P.) 14 yards to the FS32 | Bc | 2-11 | at Fs46 | PD | 1 |
| Crane, C rush over right end for 10 yards to the FS35 (McNeil, K). | Bc | 2-11 | at Fs45 | PD | 1 |
| Crane, C slant pass complete to Jarvis, J for 10 yards to the BC37 (Robinson, P.). | Bc | 2-12 | at Bc27 | PD | 1 |
| PENALTY FS pass interference (Robinson, P.) 8 yards to the FS12 | Bc | 2-8 | at Fs20 | PD | 1 |
| Crane, C slant pass complete to Robinson, B for 20 yards to the FS45 | Bc | 2-8 | at Bc35 | PD | 1 |
| Harris, M rush left for loss of 3 yards to the FS14 (Thacker, B;Nicholson, D). | Bc | 2-9 | at Fs11 | PD | 0 |
| Crane, C deep pass incomplete to Robinson, B, QB hurry by McNeil, K. | Bc | 2-9 | at Bc20 | PD | 0 |
| Crane, C sideline pass incomplete to Robinson, B. | Bc | 2-G | at Fs06 | PD | 0 |
BC found success on16 of 27 2nd downs. Again, the goal here is under 40%. BC succeeded 59% of the time. The defense laid a huge egg here. Specifically, BC succeeded in 7 of 13 2nd down passing situations (54%), and on 9 of 14 non-passing situations (64%). NOTE: Those aren't times they threw or ran, they are passing situations (2nd and 8+), or non-passing situations (2nd and 7 or less). Allowing 59% success on 2nd down is atrocious in its own right, but allowing 54% success in passing situations (situations where the defense is playing with a high amount of leverage) is ridiculous. Teams can expect to succeed less than 30% of the time on passing downs, and against BC, we should have held them to something in the mid 20's%, not FIFTY FOUR PERCENT!! There is no way that a solid gameplan and scheme, given our players, should allow something like that to an offense as bad as BC.
BC's 3rd/ & 4th Downs
| Bc | 3-1 | at Fs09 | NPD | 1 | Crane, C rush quarterback sneak for 2 yards to the FS7, 1ST DOWN BC. |
| Bc | 3-1 | at Bc41 | NPD | 1 | Crane, C rush quarterback sneak for no gain to the BC41 (Moffett, N;Brown, E), PENALTY FS personal foul (Nicholson, D) 15 yards to the FS44, 1ST DOWN BC. |
| Bc | 3-1 | at Fs35 | NPD | 1 | Harris, M rush over left guard for 5 yards to the FS30, 1ST DOWN BC (Mincey, J). |
| Bc | 3-2 | at Fs49 | NPD | 0 | PENALTY BC false start (Anderson, L) 5 yards to the BC46. |
| Bc | 3-2 | at Fs35 | NPD | 0 | Crane, C sideline pass incomplete to Gunnell, R (McNeil, K). |
| Bc | 3-2 | at Bc37 | NPD | 1 | Crane, C screen pass complete to Haden, J for 57 yards to the FS6, 1ST DOWN BC (Robinson, J). |
| Bc | 3-2 | at Bc37 | NPD | 1 | Crane, C crossing pass incomplete to Gunnell, R, PENALTY FS pass interference (Lawson, R) 10 yards to the BC47, 1ST DOWN BC, NO PLAY. |
| Bc | 3-3 | at Bc45 | NPD | 0 | Crane, C screen pass complete to Gunnell, R for loss of 7 yards to the BC38 (Moffett, N). |
| Bc | 3-4 | at Bc34 | NPD | 1 | Crane, C slant pass complete to Jarvis, J for 6 yards to the BC40, 1ST DOWN BC (McClure, D). |
| Bc | 3-4 | at Bc46 | NPD | 1 | Crane, C sideline pass complete to Gunnell, R for 6 yards to the FS48, 1ST DOWN BC, out-of-bounds. |
| Bc | 3-G | at Fs02 | NPD | 0 | Crane, C sideline pass incomplete to Anderson, L. |
| Bc | 3-G | at Fs04 | NPD | 0 | Crane, C rush for loss of 9 yards to the FS13, fumble forced by Bradham, N., fumble by Crane, C recovered by BC Crane, C at FS13. |
| Bc | 4-2 | at Fs24 | NPD | 1 | Harris, M rush over left tackle for 6 yards to the FS18, 1ST DOWN BC (Verdell, T), PENALTY FS offside defense declined. |
| Bc | 3-10 | at Fs32 | PD | 0 | Harris, M rush over right guard for 8 yards to the FS24 (Nicholson, D;Brown, E). |
| Bc | 3-11 | at Fs46 | PD | 0 | Crane, C post pass incomplete to Jarvis, J. |
| Bc | 3-12 | at Fs14 | PD | 1 | Crane, C flag pass complete to Gunnell, R for 14 yards to the FS0, 1ST DOWN BC, TOUCHDOWN, clock 12:17. |
| Bc | 3-12 | at Bc41 | PD | 1 | Haden, J rush up middle for 14 yards to the FS45, 1ST DOWN BC (McClure, D). |
| Bc | 3-12 | at Bc45 | PD | 1 | Crane, C post pass complete to Robinson, B for 20 yards to the FS35, 1ST DOWN BC. |
| Bc | 3-7 | at Bc46 | PD | 0 | PENALTY BC false start (Lapham, R) 5 yards to the BC41. |
| Bc | 3-9 | at Bc20 | PD | 1 | Crane, C crossing pass complete to Jarvis, J for 16 yards to the BC36, 1ST DOWN BC (Rolle, M;Moffett, N). |
| Bc | 3-G | at Fs06 | PD | 1 | Crane, C slant pass incomplete to Robinson, B, PENALTY FS pass interference (Carter, T) 4 yards to the FS2, 1ST DOWN BC, NO PLAY. |
BC found success on13 of 20 3rd downs. Again, the goal here is under 40%. BC succeeded 65% of the time!! The defense laid an even bigger egg here. Specifically, BC succeeded in 5 of 8 3rd down passing situations (63%), and on 8 of 12 non-passing situations (66%). NOTE: Those aren't times they threw or ran, they are passing situations (3rd and 5+), or non-passing situations (3rd and 4 or less). Allowing 59% success on 3rd down is atrocious in its own right, but allowing 63% success in passing situations (situations where the defense is playing with a high amount of leverage) is ridiculous. There is no way that a solid gameplan and scheme, given our players, should allow something like that to an offense as bad as BC. Even in the 3 3rd down passing down situations where FSU "succeeded", one was a false start on BC (where they would pick up 3rd and 12 on the subsequent play), and another was a 3rd and 10 where they proceeded to gain 8 yards and pick up the remaining 2 on a 4th down run.
BC did a decent job of gaining at least some yards on 1st down, and proceeded to absolutely destroy FSU in 2nd and especially 3rd down. While it is expected that they'll do a 'lil better than 44% in non-passing down and distance, 65% (17 of 26) is complete garbage. Further, in the situation that offers the greatest advantage to the defense (passing down and distance), Boston college succeeded 57% of the time (12 of 21).
This was a schematic failure. It was also a teaching failure, as some of our guys clearly have not received proper instruction on technique. This coaching staff did not set these guys up for success, both during the season, and before this game.
Florida State
I discussed success rates last week.
As discussed above, FSU faced 10 NPD's, 19 PD's, and 55 total downs. Of those, they had success on 23 of the 55, or a 42% overall success rate. The goal is to be above 44%, so we just missed. Let's go deeper.
FSU's 1st Down's
| Fs | 1-10 | at Fs11 | 1D | 1 | Ponder, C middle pass complete to Piurowski, C for 6 yards to the FS17 (Herzlich, M). |
| Fs | 1-10 | at Fs20 | 1D | 1 | Smith, A rush left for 5 yards to the FS25 (Davis, W;McLaughlin, M). |
| Fs | 1-10 | at Bc47 | 1D | 1 | Ponder, C screen pass complete to Thomas, J. for 19 yards to the BC28, 1ST DOWN FS (Bowman, M). |
| Fs | 1-10 | at Bc28 | 1D | 1 | Owens, R rush reverse for 13 yards to the BC15, 1ST DOWN FS (Rollins, R;Davis, W). |
| Fs | 1-10 | at Bc15 | 1D | 0 | Thomas, J. rush left for loss of 3 yards to the BC18 (McLaughlin, M). |
| Fs | 1-10 | at Fs43 | 1D | 0 | Thomas, J. rush over right guard for no gain to the FS43 (Rossi, N;Newman, B). |
| Fs | 1-10 | at Bc43 | 1D | 0 | Thomas, J. rush over right end for 1 yard to the BC42 (Herzlich, M). |
| Fs | 1-G | at Bc06 | 1D | 0 | Sims, M rush right for 2 yards to the BC4 (Francois, R). |
| Fs | 1-10 | at Bc31 | 1D | 0 | Ponder, C rush for loss of 6 yards to the BC37. |
| Fs | 1-10 | at Fs49 | 1D | 1 | Ponder, C BS pass complete to Parker, P for 6 yards to the BC45 (McLaughlin, M). |
| Fs | 1-10 | at Bc32 | 1D | 0 | Smith, A rush over right end for 2 yards to the BC30 (Davis, W). |
| Fs | 1-10 | at Bc18 | 1D | 0 | Ponder, C sacked for loss of 9 yards to the BC27 (Bowman, M). |
| Fs | 1-10 | at Fs23 | 1D | 1 | Ponder, C sideline pass complete to Parker, P for 15 yards to the FS38, 1ST DOWN FS (Fletcher, D). |
| Fs | 1-10 | at Fs38 | 1D | 1 | Ponder, C sideline pass complete to Parker, P for 8 yards to the FS46, out-of-bounds. |
| Fs | 1-10 | at Bc33 | 1D | 0 | Ponder, C rush left for 1 yard to the BC32 (McLaughlin, M). |
| Fs | 1-10 | at Fs40 | 1D | 1 | Ponder, C screen pass incomplete to Sims, M, PENALTY BC pass interference (Herzlich, M) 10 yards to the 50 yardline, 1ST DOWN FS, NO PLAY. |
| Fs | 1-10 | at Fs50 | 1D | 1 | Ponder, C sideline pass complete to Parker, P for 12 yards to the BC38, 1ST DOWN FS (LeGrande, D;Gause, D). |
| Fs | 1-10 | at Bc38 | 1D | 0 | Owens, R rush ER for loss of 3 yards to the BC41 (Herzlich, M). |
| Fs | 1-10 | at Fs46 | 1D | 0 | Ponder, C sideline pass incomplete to Sims, M. |
| Fs | 1-10 | at Bc29 | 1D | 1 | Parker, P deep pass complete to Carr, G for 29 yards to the BC0, 1ST DOWN FS, TOUCHDOWN, clock 14:51. |
| Fs | 1-10 | at Fs13 | 1D | 1 | Ponder, C screen pass complete to Thomas, J. for 12 yards to the FS25, 1ST DOWN FS (Davis, W). |
| Fs | 1-10 | at Fs25 | 1D | 0 | Ponder, C sideline pass incomplete to Carr, G. |
| Fs | 1-10 | at Fs36 | 1D | 1 | Smith, A rush TR for 7 yards to the FS43 (Herzlich, M). |
| Fs | 1-10 | at Fs48 | 1D | 1 | Smith, A rush TL for 12 yards to the BC40, 1ST DOWN FS (McLaughlin, M;Francois, R). |
| Fs | 1-10 | at Bc40 | 1D | 1 | Ponder, C rush right for 12 yards to the BC28, 1ST DOWN FS, out-of-bounds (Bowman, M). |
| Fs | 1-10 | at Bc28 | 1D | 0 | Ponder, C deep pass intercepted by Gause, D at the BC0, Gause, D return 0 yards to the BC0, touchback, PENALTY FS holding declined. |
On a down specific basis, Florida State was successful on 14 of 26 1st Downs (54%), which is excellent. Interestingly, it seemed like FSU either had a big gain or a loss of yards on 1st down, something I discussed in [insert link discussing concerns over boom or bust running game] .
FSU's 2nd Downs
| Fs | 2-2 | at Fs46 | NPD | 0 | Smith, A rush over right guard for loss of 1 yard to the FS45 (Akins, K). |
| Fs | 2-3 | at Fs43 | NPD | 1 | Smith, A rush left for 5 yards to the FS48, 1ST DOWN FS (Francois, R). |
| Fs | 2-4 | at Fs17 | NPD | 0 | Ponder, C sideline pass incomplete to Carr, G (Herzlich, M). |
| Fs | 2-4 | at Bc45 | NPD | 0 | Smith, A rush right for loss of 1 yard to the BC46 (Francois, R). |
| Fs | 2-5 | at Fs25 | NPD | 0 | Smith, A rush over right guard for loss of 2 yards to the FS23 (Brace, R). |
| Fs | 2-8 | at Bc30 | NPD | 1 | Ponder, C rush QX for 7 yards to the BC23 (McLaughlin, M;Ramella, J). |
| Fs | 2-G | at Bc04 | NPD | 1 | Ponder, C rush QX for 4 yards to the BC0, TOUCHDOWN, clock 13:06. |
| Fs | 2-10 | at Fs43 | PD | 1 | Ponder, C sideline pass complete to Fortson, J. for 14 yards to the BC43, 1ST DOWN FS, out-of-bounds (Rollins, R). |
| Fs | 2-10 | at Fs46 | PD | 0 | Smith, A rush right for 1 yard to the FS47, out-of-bounds (Francois, R). |
| Fs | 2-10 | at Fs25 | PD | 1 | Ponder, C rush quarterback draw for 11 yards to the FS36, 1ST DOWN FS (Akins, K;Francois, R). |
| Fs | 2-13 | at Bc18 | PD | 0 | Ponder, C slant pass intercepted by Bowman, M at the BC13, Bowman, M return 87 yards to the FS0, TOUCHDOWN, clock 01:04. |
| Fs | 2-13 | at Bc41 | PD | 0 | Ponder, C BS pass complete to Parker, P for 8 yards to the BC33 (Bowman, M). |
| Fs | 2-16 | at Bc37 | PD | 0 | Smith, A rush for loss of 9 yards to the BC46 (Raji, B). |
| Fs | 2-19 | at Bc27 | PD | 0 | PENALTY FS false start (Sanders, Z.) 5 yards to the BC32. |
| Fs | 2-24 | at Bc32 | PD | 0 | Ponder, C sideline pass complete to Carr, G for 11 yards to the BC21 (Davis, W;McLaughlin, M). |
| Fs | 2-9 | at Bc42 | PD | 1 | Ponder, C BS pass complete to Owens, R for 30 yards to the BC12, 1ST DOWN FS, out-of-bounds (Davis, W), PENALTY BC personal foul (Davis, W) 6 yards to the BC6. |
| Fs | 2-9 | at Bc32 | PD | 0 | Ponder, C middle pass incomplete to Smith, A, dropped pass. |
FSU found success on 6 of 17 2nd downs. Again, the goal here is over 44%. FSU succeeded 35% of the time. The offense did not perform well on 2nd down. Specifically, FSU succeeded in 3 of 10 2nd down passing situations (30%), and on 3 of 7 non-passing situations (43%). NOTE: Those aren't times they threw or ran, they are passing situations (2nd and 8+), or non-passing situations (2nd and 7 or less). The 30% in passing down and distance isn't good, but it's not horrendous. One of the non-successes was a dropped pass. If Antone can catch it, we're at 40%. We want to hit about 35% in passing situations, or at least that is my goal. The 43% in running situations backs up the idea that our line got dominated. Ponder was the only one to have success in 2nd down. He ran 2 draws for 1st downs. The runs by other players? -1, 5, -1, -2. The offensive line gave no time in passing situations, on the whole, and it's pretty evident that they failed in run blocking as well. That shows up in the quarterback scramble numbers. In watching the tape, you can see that Ponder got extremely gunshy and did not trust his wideouts to run the correct patterns; for good reason, as they ran poor routes on 2 of the 3 interceptions. More on that later.
FSU's 3rd downs.
| Fs | 3-1 | at Bc23 | NPD | 1 | Ponder, C rush right for 3 yards to the BC20 (Davis, W), PENALTY BC offside defense (Giles, A) 5 yards to the BC18, 1ST DOWN FS, NO PLAY. |
| Fs | 3-3 | at Fs45 | NPD | 1 | Ponder, C screen pass complete to Smith, A for 22 yards to the BC33, 1ST DOWN FS (Davis, W). |
| Fs | 3-4 | at Fs17 | NPD | 0 | Ponder, C middle pass incomplete to Piurowski, C. |
| Fs | 3-10 | at Fs40 | PD | 0 | Ponder, C screen pass incomplete to Owens, R, QB hurry by Akins, K. |
| Fs | 3-13 | at Bc21 | PD | 0 | Ponder, C flag pass incomplete to Owens, R. |
| Fs | 3-25 | at Bc46 | PD | 0 | Ponder, C deep pass intercepted by Fletcher, D at the BC19, Fletcher, D return 0 yards to the BC19 (Parker, P). |
| Fs | 3-5 | at Bc46 | PD | 1 | Ponder, C crossing pass complete to Owens, R for 14 yards to the BC32, fumble forced by McLaughlin, M, fumble by Owens, R recovered by FS Owens, R at BC32, 1ST DOWN FS. |
| Fs | 3-5 | at Bc33 | PD | 0 | Ponder, C sideline pass incomplete to Carr, G. |
| Fs | 3-7 | at Fs23 | PD | 0 | Ponder, C screen pass complete to Smith, A for 2 yards to the FS25 (Fletcher, D). |
| Fs | 3-9 | at Bc32 | PD | 0 | Ponder, C sideline pass incomplete to Carr, G (Davis, W). |
| Fs | 3-9 | at Fs47 | PD | 0 | Ponder, C deep pass incomplete to Owens, R. |
| Fs | 4-5 | at Bc33 | PD | 0 | Ponder, C sideline pass complete to Parker, P for 4 yards to the BC29, out-of-bounds (McLaughlin, M). |
FSU found success on 3 of 12 2nd downs. Again, the goal here is over 44%. FSU succeeded 25% of the time. The offense did not perform well on 3nd down at all. Specifically, FSU succeeded in 1 of 9 3rd down passing situations (11%), and on 2 of 3 non-passing situations (66%). NOTE: Those aren't times they threw or ran, they are passing situations (3rd and 5+), or non-passing situations (3rd and 4 or less). The 11% in passing down and distance is bad. We want to hit about 35% in passing situations, or at least that is my goal. I think we saw some of the mistrust from Ponder here. 3rd and short against a zone basically requires guys to find the hole and sit down. They did a poor job of that, and Ponder did a poor job of anticipating their moves. He was also under a lot of pressure. I was really disappointed in our wide receiver's willingness to be rerouted. Everyone in this facet needs to get better. Some of this will come with time.
The 66% in running situations is quite good, but FSU only had 3 instances of 3rd and 4 or less.
Florida State did a decent job on 1st down, but when they failed on 1st down they failed badly. FSU was below goal in 2nd and especially 3rd down. It is expected that they'll do a 'lil better than 44% in non-passing down and distance, and 50% (5 of 10) is acceptable. The problem is that FSU did not have enough of those opportunities. They did however, face many a situation that offers the greatest advantage to the defense (passing down and distance), and succeeded only 21% of the time (4 of 19). When FSU was forced to pass, BC's front pinned their ears back, the pocket was destroyed, Ponder had to escape, and BC rolled coverage.
Continuing Weasie's question:
You can tell sometimes when a QB throws a ball one way and the receiver breaks the other or when there is no one around. Will we abandon downfield route schemes in these next two games to protect against teams sitting back on us? It seems like we don’t have time to do it anyway unless we roll the pocket and when you do that you’re limiting yourself to one side of the field most of the time.
I won’t ever question Jimbo’s play calling because I have no clue what I’m talking about half the time, but it didn’t look like we were opening anything up against B.C. I think he tried to say that he wasn’t able to build anything because we didn’t have the ball alot. I guess I’ll wait for your play analysis later in the week, but I dont understand why we just didnt do the same thing to them that they were doing to us. Run the same plays that work until they adjust to stop them. The little dump throws and bubbles seemed to be there for a good 4-6 yards each time. I understand the necessity for getting big chunks of yards when you’re down, but I think it was apparent that they were trying to make sure we had the ball as little as possible. Why were we throwing anything dangerous. I was having flashbacks to the Wake game.
I'll look at this today and answer it in the context of Fisher's comments and my film thoughts.
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My first look at the numbers
3rd downs get even more terrible.
We averaged 8.3 yards to go on our third downs, BC averaged 5.35.
If you use the median, which is more resistant to outliers, 50% of the time we faced 3rd and 7 or more. BC’s 50th percentile was 4 yards.
We absolutely failed to get Boston College into what I call “Close the Playbook” situations. These would be downs where the yardage was so unmanageable the offense has to close the playbook and run nothing but a screen, draw, or go route. In the majority of Boston College’s 3rd downs, they still had their entire aresenal available.
I knew you'd dig this stuff, being a stats guy.
I’ll post some really heavy stuff, with terminology I don’t understand (different “fits”, etc.)
Adding to the take...
It has to come down to our predictability on defense. Not to pile on what has already been talked about, but BC knew exactly where to go against us. Their performance got better on second and third downs! They had us on our heels and they didn’t even have to run the triple option.
I’m not as down on Ponder as some people are. The pick six was a hot read against a blitz. Ponder threw to the receiver he should have and he didn’t have time (because of a bad pickup) to go elsewhere. Boston College just knew what his hot read was and stepped under it.
Our entire offense this season has been about getting enough on first and second downs so that third down doesn’t kill us. Because BC took away the run game and pressured the QB, we were simply unable to get those manageable downs to keep drives alive.
Bingo. Only 3 3rd down non-passing situations for FSU
Ponder will be fine, agreed.
by Bud Elliott on Nov 19, 2008 10:49 AM EST up reply actions
It also comes down to predictability on offense...
I warn you I’m no statistician, but I found the following points to be interesting. I took a look at the BC and FSU play calls on specific downs. For the sake of this argument I included screen passes in the “pass” category, some may argue that some screen plays should not be considered in the passing game, I’m not one of those.
On 1st down, BC threw the ball 36% of the time. On second down, they threw the ball 30% of the time despite the fact that 48% of those were passing situations. On third down, the threw the ball 60% of the time when 50% of those downs were passing downs.
To contrast that, FSU threw the ball 50% of the time on 1st down. On second down we threw the ball 41% of the time and 58% of those were passing situations. On 3rd down, we threw the ball 92% of the time and 75% (9/12) were passing situations.
Obviously, BC was having success running the ball. But I think (hope) this shows that they remained committed to running the ball on 1st and 2nd down, regardless of it being a passing situation or not. To me, this means that they were patient.
We got ourselves into a lot of bad situations and I totally agree that we were hit or miss on 1st down. This, I believe, made our offense a little more predictable as well. I’m all about changing it up on first down, but 50% passing plays? This automatically puts you at a disadvantage if you’re not successful. Maybe this stemmed from us knowing we would have difficulty running against their line and linebackers and maybe one could argue that going to the air on first down was a good idea. I disagree.
BC was patient and put themselves into position to be successful as FSUncensored has nicely demonstrated and explained (as always).
I hope that we have more consistency and discipline this week on both sides of the ball. We need to package our intensity and athleticism into a focused attack.
Go Noles.
Patient... and winning
The wind Saturday night made it a horrible time to try to throw the ball and get back into a game. Especially going toward the north endzone.
BC up 7-0 on the first drive of the game.
BC recovers onside kick.
We were punched in the mouth from the very beginning.
I would point out that their stats could be slightly skewed as they were trying to eat the clock in the fourth quarter. Good work with the analysis.
Excellent points...
I should have kept that in mind during my discussion…especially considering the fact that the major point of one of my previous posts was that we got caught with our pants down for a majority of the first quarter.
And very true about trying to milk the clock in the 4th quarter…but they were still kicking our ass running the same play over and over again and continued to keep themselves out of passing situations.
on the BC game
is there a way to take the last 2 drives out of this because they were just running the clock down and I dont think that should be taken into acount because of that.
And this is why FSUncensored is...
the statistical guru who were thought he is. One day…I hope to be 1/10th as good.
So it looks like our passing “gambles” on first down were literally hit or miss at 48, which I think most offensive coordinators would be happy with a 50 success rate on first down with the pass. And as we worked further in downs, our success got worse no surprise there, particularly due to our down and distance.
Thanks for clearing up the details on my thoughts…I still think we threw the ball too much, but I don’t think we had much of an option.
A bit of a rant
Maybe this isn’t the time or the place but I was just surfing the Nole interwebs and need to get something off my chest.
What does the offense have to do before the majority of the Florida State fanbase will look at our defense objectively?!
During the Jeff years, we heard a lot of the excuse “The offense isn’t on the field long enough. The defense gets tired.” Back then, I bought it. I still believe that was part of the problem, but we had some BAD defenses earlier this decade and no one but Jeff was ever held responsible.
Some people are blaming the offense for the the defense not being able to tackle Saturday night. Horse crap. We held the ball for almost 40 minutes during the Miami and NC State games. We gave up 39 to Miami (some of that on a pick six, to be fair). If NC State would have had the ball anymore they would have worked us even more than they did.
Why is this the only place where I can see people consistently laying some blame at the feet of the defense? Chrisitian Ponder didn’t punch anybody after a key stop. Christian Ponder didn’t commit pass interference 3 times.
Do we have to hold on to the ball 50 minutes per game and still only win games 45-42 every afternoon for the majority of our fans to see the problems on defense?
Agreed...
There are glaring issues with the defense. The offense can’t go out there and make the right read on the zone play for the defense. I think people like to blame the offense for our woes because they’re so young and it ‘s easier to blame them. I mean why would anyone ever criticize our staunch defense, defense wins championships. I think our defense has to take a lot of the blame for many of our losses this year. There is a lot of work to be done on both sides of the ball, but the offense isn’t alone and I think your rant is totally appropriate and needed. You’re not alone….

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