MBB Game 4: Coastal Carolina 70, FSU 82
Coastal Carolina Chanticleers at Florida St. Seminoles, Nov 22, 2008 4:00 PM EST
3-0...we're lucky.
Here's the early preview on tomorrow night's game against Coastal Carolina in the first round of the UNLV Global Sports Challenge and the Game Thread. Enjoy.
Offense
Defense
Date
Opponent
Result
Site
Pace
Eff.
eFG%
TO%
OR%
FTR
Eff.
eFG%
TO%
OR%
FTR
Sat Nov 15
Jacksonville (s) (sr)
W, 59-57
A
69
85.6
52.4
26.1
18.8
73.2
82.7
36.0
16.0
33.3
26.5
Tue Nov 18
La Salle (s) (sr)
W, 65-61
A
71
92.0
45.8
25.5
26.9
58.3
86.3
40.0
19.8
31.5
30.0
Thu Nov 20
Stetson (s) (sr)
W, 79-77
H
73
108.3
45.5
23.3
46.1
60.7
105.6
53.1
19.2
33.3
20.0
Sat Nov 22
Coastal Carolina (s) (sr)
W, 82-70
H
71
116.0
56.7
21.2
32.8
50.0
99.0
51.8
31.1
37.5
30.9
Believe it or not we can win close game, unfortunately they're not the teams with which we should be in close games. The Noles have won their first three games by 8 points combined.
Before discussing tomorrow night's opponent, let's look how Hamilton's Talent is doing thus far. Below is a discussion of the stats presented by: http://kenpom.com/rate.php who bases his team rankings and stats on many things that may be unfamiliar to you. His principles of ranking teams is based on the work of Dean Oliver who evaluates teams on "Four Factors:" Shooting Percentage, Turnover Percentage, Offensive Rebounding and a team's ability to get to the free throw line. So...where do we rank:
Shooting percentage is based on effective FG%, which is essentially shooting percentage but giving more weight to three pointers. Our eFG% is 47.6% or 178th in the league. Our defense is allowing a 43% eFG% which is 86th in the league, meaning we aren't shooting well right now, but our defense is keeping us in games.
Turnovers...I'll be careful here or FSUncensored will blow a fuse. We turn the ball over 24.9% of our offensive possessions or 237th in Div-1 basketball. Our defense causes 18.4% of opponent possessions to result in turnovers. 240th in the league. Wonder why these games are so close? Look to turnovers.
Rebounding...specifically offensive rebounding, one could argue that missing an offensive rebound is essentially a turnover. Despite the addition of Chris Singleton, we rebound 30% of possible offensive rebounds (216th in the league). Hmmm...see where this is going?
Finally, free throw rate...something we are good at. This is a calculation of the number of free throw attempts per 100 shots taken. Again...this needs to be paired with free throw percentage...if you make it to the line and toss up bricks or lovely swirls like Joakim Noah, who I get to watch on a too often basis as he is a Chicago Bull, and a terrible percentage, who cares if you can get to the line? We get to the line...in fact we rank 14th in the nation against our non-conference play thus far; I expect this to change when we see the likes of Duke, UNC, Maryland, Wake Forest etc... Until the game against Stetson, we were terrible from the line for a Leonard Hamilton Talent Squad. We're now shooting 70% from the stripe which is significantly improved and our opponents have been terrible from the line.
Does this help you understand where our team is so far this year? Unfortunately, we're not shooting the ball well, we don't take advantage up front and miss offensive rebounds and we turn the ball over and inexcusable amount. But, we get to the line. So...we're doing three out of the four factors poorly.
Saturday we take on the Coastal Carolina Chanticleers. What is a Chanticleer you ask? Keep reading to the end of the post to find out. The Chanticleers, out of the Big South Conference, are 0-2 after losing to Coker and Savanna Sate to start the season. This is the first round of the Global Sports Classic Tournament. The Noles will go on to play Western Illinois on 11/24 at home and then head to Las Vegas to play Cincinnati on 11/28 and then either UNLV or California.
The Seminoles have played CC once and defeated them 78-65 in 2006. Al Thornton (who the Chicago Bulls should have drafted) dominated the Chanticleers as FSU controlled the game.
CC will like start the following players: G Mario Sisinni (6'0" 175 Sr), G Logan Johnson (6'6" 195 Sr), F Joseph Harris (6'5" 180 Sr), F Anthony Breeze (6'5"185 So), G Mario Edwards (6'3" 210 Jr). Breeze was selected to the Big South All-Freshman Team and Harris is currently 4th on CC's all time shot block list. Look for CC to continue their defensive presence, which contributed to their success last year in conference play. Some reports say that CC is still looking for their scorer but certainly have a lot of young talent.
Look for the Noles to continue to identify their offensive rhythm, improve on the offensive boards and work on protecting the ball. We will likely get to the line. I think CC will have difficulty with our size up front and lets hope this will be our opportunity to work on the four elements of the game.
A Chanticleer is a rooster.
Go Noles!
Morning Add: Here are the stats Truecubbie explained above.
Offense Defense
Raw Efficiency : 95.6 (200) 91.3 ( 92)
Adj Efficiency : 92.2 (215) 71.5 ( 24)
Effective FG% : 47.6 (181) 43.0 ( 77)
Turnover Pct. : 24.9 (251) 18.4 (246)
Off. Rebound% : 30.6 (216) 32.8 (152)
Free Throw Rate: 44.8 ( 14) 25.4 ( 42)
3-Point FG% : 30.0 (225) 27.2 ( 72)
2-Point FG% : 48.6 (146) 44.6 (121)
Free Throw Pct.: 70.7 (128) 59.2 ( 50)
Block Pct. : 3.8 ( 42) 21.4 ( 9)
Steal Pct. : 10.3 (193) 12.7 ( 62)
3PA/FGA : 27.6 (270) 42.0 (308)
A/FGM : 57.1 (123) 51.4 (133)
Offense
Defense
Date
Opponent
Result
Site
Pace
Eff.
eFG%
TO%
OR%
FTR
Eff.
eFG%
TO%
OR%
FTR
Sat Nov 15
Jacksonville (s) (sr)
W, 59-57
A
69
85.6
52.4
26.1
18.8
73.2
82.7
36.0
16.0
33.3
26.5
Tue Nov 18
La Salle (s) (sr)
W, 65-61
A
71
92.0
45.8
25.5
26.9
58.3
86.3
40.0
19.8
31.5
30.0
Thu Nov 20
Stetson (s) (sr)
W, 79-77
H
73
108.3
45.5
23.3
46.1
60.7
105.6
53.1
19.2
33.3
20.0
We really improved our offensive rebounding against Stetson. Stetson shot out of their minds as well.
Here is ste scouting report for Coastal Carolina
Offense Defense
Raw Efficiency : 93.6 (222) 94.5 (130)
Adj Efficiency : 100.8 (142) 104.0 (208)
Effective FG% : 54.1 ( 63) 42.6 ( 72)
Turnover Pct. : 31.6 (321) 25.8 ( 65)
Off. Rebound% : 36.7 (107) 42.1 (305)
Free Throw Rate: 24.5 (164) 50.0 (279)
3-Point FG% : 33.3 (152) 35.3 (207)
2-Point FG% : 55.9 ( 42) 37.8 ( 35)
Free Throw Pct.: 54.5 (311) 74.1 (264)
Block Pct. : 2.9 ( 30) 13.5 ( 56)
Steal Pct. : 20.1 (334) 8.6 (205)
3PA/FGA : 30.6 (202) 31.5 (141)
A/FGM : 66.7 ( 38) 65.0 (295)
We should be able to force tons of turnovers today and grab a lot of offensive rebounds.
Unfortunately, Coastal Carolina crashes the offensive glass like crazy and grabs tons of turnovers in their own right.
They also send opponents to the line at an insane pace.
Offense
Defense
Date
Opponent
Result
Site
Pace
Eff.
eFG%
TO%
OR%
FTR
Eff.
eFG%
TO%
OR%
FTR
Sat Nov 15
Coker (s) (sr)
L, 80-59
H
72
81.9
42.0
27.8
27.4
54.0
111.0
57.7
23.6
35.6
51.9
Tue Nov 18
Savannah St. (s) (sr)
L, 66-65
A
70
93.3
54.1
31.6
36.7
44.9
94.8
42.6
25.9
42.1
50.0
0-2 against that competition is pretty poor.
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This was really good. I'm glad this site is coming around.
As for the blowing a fuse, I just don’t like not taking many shots and having the shots that we do take be really bad ones. Personal preference :)
We're down 8-6 early in the first half...
and we’re shooting a delightful 2-8 from the floor and Alabi has 2 offensive rebounds thus far.
The shooting troubles continue
4-15 and 0-5 from 3pt line. Not a way to start a game…they’ll get out of it.
They are killing us from the 3point line...
they’re shooting 71 . And 58 from the floor. This will slow down and we should start to shoot better.
We’re losing the rebound advantage by two and have the same number of offensive rebounds 4.
37-34 CC
We’re finally shooting the ball better…and look at that 100% from the FT line….Probably the only reason we’re in this game so far.
I think that is a real possibility...
espescialy if he isn’t shooting the ball well…put the burden on him to score or make the offense work.
I think CC has decided that they can't match up with us on the inside and would rather
sit and shoot threes all day. Which will work if they continue to shot lights out…however as the game goes on they should get tired and miss those long bombs.
I think that is the type of game Hamilton would like us to play...
tough defense, turnovers leading to easy baskets and get teams into foul trouble…is that because we don’t have an offensive set?
I have yet to see a live game yet...
hopefully I will see the Noles up here against Northwestern and will be able to give you a better idea.
51-48, remarkably close game
Coastal Carolina
Name FG 3Pt FT PF Pts
Anthony Breeze 3-3 0-0 3-3 1 9
Matt Brennan 1-1 0-0 0-0 2 2
Mario Edwards 4-13 3-6 0-0 0 11
Joseph Harris 4-6 0-1 0-1 3 8
Logan Johnson 2-3 1-1 0-0 1 5
Dexter Moore 2-5 2-4 2-2 1 8
Jon Pack 0-0 0-0 0-0 2 0
Steven Sexton 0-0 0-0 0-0 1 0
Mario Sisinni 3-7 2-4 0-0 2 8
Darius Steger 1-4 0-1 0-0 0 2
Totals 20-42 8-17 5-6 13 53
Percentages: .476 .471 .833
Florida St.
Name FG 3Pt FT PF Pts
Solomon Alabi 1-3 0-0 0-0 0 2
Jordan DeMercy 1-1 0-0 0-0 4 2
Toney Douglas 7-11 4-5 4-4 1 22
Deividas Dulkys 0-7 0-5 0-0 1 0
Uche Echefu 2-4 2-3 0-0 1 6
Xavier Gibson 0-1 0-0 0-0 0 0
Pierre Jordan 0-0 0-0 0-0 1 0
Luke Loucks 3-4 0-0 2-2 1 8
Ryan Reid 0-3 0-0 2-2 2 2
Chris Singleton 3-6 1-2 5-6 2 12
Totals 17-40 7-15 13-14 13 54
Percentages: .425 .467 .929
Looks like we're the only ones who care about the BB game...guess there is that huge football game tonight
TC... I do not want to jump the gun here, but...
If BC beats Wake, our chances skyrocket. BC’s QB Crane is done for year with Broken collarbone and the replacement is a horrible freshman.
I know...I'm anxiously watching that game as well...sometimes the chips fall where they're supposed to
FSU beats CC 82-70
Doglas took this one on his shoulders to win, scoring 30 points, followed by Singleton with 17 and Loucks with 14, both coming off the bench. Douglas was also our leading rebounder with 6.
The Noles started out shooting the ball terribly and CC shot the roof of the Tucker Center. We pressured CC, totaling 15 steals. However, we continue to have control problems, turning the ball over 15 times with only 13 assists, another game with an A/TO ratio less than 1. We shot the ball well from line, making 23-26.
4-0 may be a nice way to start the season but we have some work to do before we play the big boys of the ACC.
What was our assists to field goals made ratio?
We’ve been outside 250th in the nation in this category in each of Hamilton’s years.































