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Florida State 37, Maryland 3. Post-Game React Updated FSU now 20th in BCS... highest ACC team

UF @ FSU is a 3:30 game.

This is your recap.  I try to combine your thoughts into one massive Tomahawk Nation reaction.  Consider this the pulse of our website, edited by me.

This was a convincing beatdown.  The defense stepped up and the offense did what it needed to do as well.  Everyone is impressed with the resiliency this squad displays on a consistent basis.

Let's hear it.  What did you like tonight?  What still worries you?  What do you want me to look for on film?

Team Statistics
  Seminoles Terrapins 
  First Downs 21 15 
    Passing 8
    Rushing 13
    Penalty 0
  Third Down Efficiency 7-13 5-13 
  Fourth Down Efficiency 0-0 0-1 
  TOTAL NET YARDS 335 253 
    Total Plays 68 60 
    Average Gain Per Play 4.9 4.2 
  NET YARDS RUSHING 175 104 
    Rushes 42 29 
    Average Per Rush 4.2 3.6 
  NET YARDS PASSING 160 149 
    Completions-Attempts 20-26 16-31 
    Yards Per Pass Play 6.2 4.8 
    Times Sacked 0
    Yards Lost to Sacks 0 43 
    Had Intercepted 0
  PUNTS 3 4 
    Average Punt 38.3 43.0 
  PENALTIES 5 1 
    Penalty Yards 40
  FUMBLES 3 2 
    Fumbles Lost 0 2

Once again, the 2008 Noles bounced back from a loss with a convincing victory.  This Noles team is averging a 22 point victory in games following a loss.  The Noles won this game by dominating the line of scrimmage; both offensively and defensively.  They were well coached and both units looked prepared.  I don't think we will see any damaging quotes out of either side following this game.  FSU needed to win this game in the worst way.  Some progress is being made.  No jeff Bowden era team ever beat a ranked team by this much-- and certainly not on the road.  In fact, this is the largest win over a ranked team since Mark Richt.  

 

Before we get to breakdowns, let's talk awards for a moment.  Everette Brown is the best defensive end I have ever seen at FSU.  Many disagree, but I'll have more on that later.  Todd McShay rated him as the best available pass rusher for this draft.  He leads the ACC in sacks.  He had 3.5 more sacks tonight and forced the crucial fumble that turned the game on its head.  He needs to be a 1st team All American.  Grahan Gano is by far the best kicker in the nation and he continued to show why, tonight, hitting 2 field goals in frigid conditions.  Last but definitely not least, Rick Trickett needs to with the Broyles Award, given to the best assistant in the nation.  What he has done with the youngest offensive line in America is nothing short of remarkable.  This offense leads the conference in points and that is an absolute testament to Trickett.

 

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Let's first look at the offense. 

  •  I predicted 188 yards on 47 rushes and 22 passes for 160 yards.  We finished with 42 rushes for 175 yards and 26 passes for...wait for it... 160 yards.  Nailed it ;)  
  • I predicted that we'd run 69 plays-- we ran 68.  
  • I said that we would hold the ball for more than 33 minutes (we held it for just under 36).  
  • I said that we'd have long drives-- we had a seven and an eight minute drive
  • I said we'd have 4.9 yards per play-- we had EXACTLY 4.9 yards per play.

 

Despite nailing those, I picked us to win by only 3 points.  What happened?  First, the defense really came to play.  Second, we were sloppy at times.  335 total yards isn't worthy of 30 offensive points.  We were set up in great field position all night-- starting at our own 38 yard line, on average.  The Noles came in with a plan; run the ball, control the clock, and stay ahead of the chains.  The result?  The Seminoles faced only one 3rd down of five or more yards in the first half.  The Noles won the line of scrimmage and seemed to gain at least 3 yards on every play.  They picked their spots in the passing game.  Maryland's front 7 never got a chance to pin their ears back and tee off.  Fisher called a great game.  

Maybe the 2 biggest changes in the offense tonight were the return to the run game and the return of the wideouts.  The wideouts spread the field and the run game kept the defense fresh and the MD offnse out of rythm.

The bad?  3 fumbles and none lost is luck.  It's not skill.  It is luck.  Ponder and D'Vo were cloppy handling the snap and it could have been disasterous.  Further, the Noles were poor in the Red Zone, scoring TD's only three of 5 opportunities.  A lack of execution also led to two three and outs.  Ponder was 19-24, with a TD and no turnovers, posting his highest QB rating of the season against an ACC opponent.  He mixed a few excellent throws with some off target tosses.  This offense has the potential to become a lot better.  he also did a great job with his legs; running for 80 yards and 5 first downs.  I thought the game was done midway through the 2nd quarter.  Still, I do not think this offense is maxed out.  Hopefully that is a good thing.  We will need 5 or 6 offensive scored to beat UF, and Jimbo cannot afford to settle for any field goals.  I was pleased with tonight's offensive performance, but I tend to think it was 24 point good-- not 30.

 

Florida St. Drives
1st Quarter
Start
Time
Time
Poss
Drive
Began
# of
Plays
Yards
Gained
Result
11:41 1:52 FLSt 20 3 2 Punt
6:53 7:02 FLSt 27 16 73 TD
 
2nd Quarter
Start
Time
Time
Poss
Drive
Began
# of
Plays
Yards
Gained
Result
13:36 3:24 FLSt 20 7 26 Punt
8:42 1:32 FLSt 42 3 7 Punt
2:38 1:03 Md 38 4 38 TD
0:40 0:40 FLSt 12 1 -2 End Half
 
 
3rd Quarter
Start
Time
Time
Poss
Drive
Began
# of
Plays
Yards
Gained
Result
14:54 8:13 FLSt 35 13 61 FG
3:40 4:10 FLSt 32 9 52 FG
 
4th Quarter
Start
Time
Time
Poss
Drive
Began
# of
Plays
Yards
Gained
Result
13:15 4:26 Md 43 8 43 TD
7:18 1:59 Md 48 5 18 FG
1:02 1:02 FLSt 9 2 6 End Reg

 

After a week of ripping Mickey Andrews and company for blowing the BC game, I was extremely happy to see him come up with an excellent gameplan.  Our corners played press coverage all night and we stayed in 2 deep for a good portion of the game.  This is what we've been begging for.  The defensive line wrecked havoc all night.  I have no idea why Maryland didn't attempt to follow the gameplan set out by NC State, VT pre-injury, or Boston College.  They tried to pass protect with 5 or 6, and paid dearly.  

The defense came to hit.  They played assignment football.  Andrews turned them loose and didn't ask them to do things they couldn't do.  What did he do?  He played 2- deep coverage and at times I thought I was watching a Miami defense from the early part of this decade.  Florida State defended the middle of the field first while forcing a college QB to make difficult throws to the outside.  We played a lot of man coverage, but it wasn't this blitz 6, cover with 5, all or nothing type scheme we had seen in the past.  That's not to say we didn't blitz at all.  Andrews blitzed, but he picked his spots.  He waited to see whether the DLine could get pressure without blitzing (check).  When he brought the blitz, our guys didn't try to time the snap count, rather they relied on their speed to come from a farther distance.  The startegy worked.  Applaud Mickey Andrews for putting his players in the best possible position to succeed.  

Patrick Robinson turned in a simply amazing performance-- holding surefire first round wide receiver Darius Heyward-Bey to 22 yards on 3 catches.  He pressed the living you know what out of Bey and made several NF- quality plays.  Andrews moved Everette Brown around, frequently using the 3 defensive end and Kendrick Stewart alignment in passing downs.  The defense produced 5 sacks and 4 turnovers.  How much of that was Maryland being incredibly stubborn, and how much was Andrews-- I do not know.  I do know that Andrews dominated the offense that Maryland put on the field.  

Still, just as I don't think the offense was good enough to produce 30 points, I don't think this defensive performance was as good as the final score indicated.  It was darn close, however.   We forced MD into difficult plays, but at times they did hit them.  They works against average teams.  Against elite teams we will need to mix the looks even more.  The tackling angles from the linebackers were often poor.  That's mostly on Amato-- who I still think will be gone one way or another after this year; whather Mickey gets the axe or not.  Their offense had 4 drives of 7 plays and 40+ yards.  That must be fixed.  

Florida State needed this.  Mickey Andrews needed this.  Credit Mickey Andrews for getting through to a group of immensly talented guys.  Maryland had averaged 23 points at home.  They scored 3 against the Noles.  They had averaged 5.4 per play at home in ACC competition-- the Nole D held them to 4.2, almost 30% under their season average.  

Finally, I'll end with this:  over half of Maryland's 250 yards came when they were down by 24 or more!

Maryland Drives
1st Quarter
Start
Time
Time
Poss
Drive
Began
# of
Plays
Yards
Gained
Result
15:00 3:19 Md 20 7 41 Punt
9:49 2:56 Md 39 7 34 FG Miss
 
2nd Quarter
Start
Time
Time
Poss
Drive
Began
# of
Plays
Yards
Gained
Result
14:44 1:08 Md 37 3 -1 Punt
10:12 0:29 Md 21 2 6 Fumble
9:13 0:31 Md 42 3 5 Int
7:10 4:32 Md 10 10 53 Int
1:30 0:50 Md 35 5 3 Punt
 
3rd Quarter
Start
Time
Time
Poss
Drive
Began
# of
Plays
Yards
Gained
Result
6:35 2:49 Md 38 6 45 FG
 
 
4th Quarter
Start
Time
Time
Poss
Drive
Began
# of
Plays
Yards
Gained
Result
14:23 1:08 Md 23 3 16 Fumble
8:42 1:24 Md 26 3 4 Punt
5:14 4:12 Md 25 13 66 Downs

 

We had over 500 posts in our 2 game threads.  A special thanks to everyone who participated and contributed.  I am not going to name 65 commenters here, but you know who you are.  The commenters and not myself are what really make this site.  

Remember that coin flipping exercise?  Grab it one more time.  I wrote: We need 

BC to beat Wake, FSU to beat Maryland, and for Maryland to beat BC.

We are 1 step away from Tampa.  Chris Crane broke his collarbone for BC today.  Their other QB is basically a running back.  The game is in Chestnutt Hill.  Maryland is very capable of winning.

Oh yeah, and it's UF week.  Get ready for more analysis tomorrow.

 

 

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Loved avery minute of it

We finally stepped on someone’s throat when we had the chance, that I like.
What I didn’t like: Florida is next.
Great win and a whupping: two mints in one.

by hopnole23 on Nov 22, 2008 10:59 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thoughts

1) A somewhat shocking result.
2) I need to remember a couple of things that are related. One, is that we are young offense. Two is that when a young offense sputters, it can have a major impact on the defense. Our defense was tired last week and I probably didn’t put as much a stock in that as I should have.
3) I’ll be really disappointed if D’vo can’t go vs. Florida — he’s a big weapon.
4) It’s really so odd to see us so reliant on a running game. Other than the 95 season, it’s been 25 years since that’s the case.
5) I think if we play the Gators 10 times in Tally as we are currently mached, we win 2, maybe 3. To win we must: Be +2 or better in turnovers; win special teams handily; be perfect in the Red Zone. All of that goes right and FSU boosters hang on to their tickets so we have a raucous crowd and we could win a 35-31 type game. Still, I imagine UF will open as a low-double digit favorite.
6) Has anybody noticed how good E. Brown and Gano are?

by Fsued on Nov 22, 2008 11:07 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

About time....

It was nice to see the team take command of a game for once. The nail biters got old quick. Loved the way the defense swarmed towards either the QB or ball carrier. Seemed to me that the D stayed at home on most of the misdirection plays. Plus, the D was laying some serious hits on the Maryland players. That was definitely a positive sign.

The offense played well. Loved the way the WR’s made the DB’s miss on quite a few tackles. The offensive line played well. If I remember correctly, neither Ponder nor Richardson was sacked tonight.

Overall, it was nice to stay alive in the ACC race.

by windycitynole on Nov 22, 2008 11:19 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The SEC is overrated this year I think, similar to how balanced the ACC is. With that being said, FU and Bama are definitely the dominant teams. I am confident after tonight’s win that we will pony up and man up against FU next week. But I am not sure if that will be enough. A lot of Noles believe FU will post up a 50+ spot on us, but I disagree. After tonight’s slaughter of Maryland, I feel this team still has fight and heart in them.

Another good thing we have in our favor, is that FU will most likely be looking past us and towards Bama and a possible MNC next week and therefore giving us a shot. We will have to play the best game of the season, and if we do, we have a good chance of shocking the Gaytors.

by thirdcoastnole on Nov 22, 2008 11:23 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The same way Auburn did in 2006

Have great Defensive Ends and a solid runnnig game. Control the ball for at least 38 minutes and get massive pressure as early as possible. Everette Brown needs to be our Quentin Groves.

"Your eyes can decieve you. Don't trust them." Obi-Wan Kenobi, the first sabermetrician...

by Curtain Jerker on Nov 23, 2008 10:38 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

UF thoughts

I think Jimbo tries to control the clock. Did you notice the long drives in tonight’s game? UF can’t score 50 if FSU can control the clock and win the TO edge. Plus, I think Jimbo and Bowden reach into the bag of tricks. I think they have been saving some D’Vo/ Ponder plays.I strongly believe that Bowden and Fisher realize how huge this game is for the direction of the program.

This game could end up being a classic.

by windycitynole on Nov 22, 2008 11:31 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It’s clear that missing those receivers last game really hindered our offense. It looks like the charges will be handed out next week. and I bet a few of them won’t be playing against UF or will be kicked off the team, which hurts our chances.

by Jaguar on Nov 22, 2008 11:59 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I just got back from the game. There’s nothing like getting hammered after your team hammers its opponent. I’m not gonna pass that up, I’ll write up my thoughts tomorrow

by CaStauch on Nov 22, 2008 11:34 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I kind of wonder if the heat was turned up on Mickey this week by those in charge.

For the second time this entire season he went away from his tendencies.

Seems like somebody lit a fire under his behind.

by MattDNole on Nov 23, 2008 12:11 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

sucks that gameday won't be in tally...

but cant tell you how excited i am to finally get down to Doak. This win has me pumped up…

by Renegade11 on Nov 23, 2008 12:43 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Can I gloat a little bit

for being almost the only person not to be sold on the season being in the toilet last week? The worst thing I thought the D did last week was telegraphing blitzes and general poor timing on the snap count, which was not a trend. It was the first time all year I’d seen them do that so badly. Fix that, and the other problems they had would not have been nearly so bad. There were no bad distractions this week(only a good one), they got the receivers back(temporarily, at least), and they were well prepared for today’s game. Result? Beatdown.

by Mongo314 on Nov 23, 2008 12:46 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'll give you the "don't panic", but

I think the D was really ill-prepared last week and it was more, in my eyes, than just poor blitz timing.

by FSUncensored on Nov 23, 2008 12:53 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It was more than that, yes,

but it just kind of highlighted how “off” the D was. The timing off the snap was bad, and I don’t think it was just on the blitzes, which basically means you will be beaten up front. Get beat up front, and the day will not go well, with all the other defensive problems being magnified. I think that most of the problems last week were not a trend, but just playing badly after a week full of distractions.

by Mongo314 on Nov 23, 2008 1:07 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Maybe a little bit

but misdirection and gimmick offenses have always been able to hurt the noles. Just looking at the last couple years though, the trend is more upward this year. In our losses this year the D played well against Wake, not so well against a GT team that can explode on good defenses, and everyone played badly against BC. The scoring defense stats are a bit skewed because there have been a lot of short fields and defensive TD’s against(the 39 points Miami got in no way showed how the D played that that day). In every game other than the BC game, the third down defense was great. In almost every game other than the BC game, the D improved drastically in the second half. They played a bad game against the Eagles, but the offense did not help them out. I think one reason the defense has been trending down the last few years before this one is because of the offense. The O has been better this year, and so has the D. That may not be the case next year, due to loss of talent, but hopefully they can reload. Yes, they have their issues, but when they are playing well they are very good.

by Mongo314 on Nov 23, 2008 1:41 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You're usually good

I guess my beef has been of he performance relative to talent note. If we keep PRob and Watson, we’ll be better than the doomsday scenario that I presented.

by FSUncensored on Nov 23, 2008 2:02 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Missed second half but...

I was very glad to see the defense playing so well. I watched the game on JustinTV (don’t know if any of you experienced the frustration of that streaming issue they were having but I almost pulled my hair out!) so it was difficult to see the nuances of the game. However, I still think our defense plays with too much of a talent mindset, meaning they play sloppy but cover it up with dynamic ball hawking skills. I still have to hold my breath every time the opposition hikes it. It’s not like the dynamic defenses of the glory days. They get hammered every time someone schemes to play to their weakness and stays disciplined. How can BC blow us off the ball? I don’t know if Paul Johnson and Jagodzinski (as well as Meyer) represent a new wrinkle that old line coaches like Coach Andrews can’t plan for but they definitely blindside our defenses.

That being said, I LOVE this team’s heart! They lose one week and come out the next and hammer the living dogshit out of the next team. CU, Clemson and now Maryland have faced the wrath of these guys. They don’t quit on the coaches. They don’t quit on the season. They keep playing hard even in the games they lost. If anything makes me think we can beat the Gates, it’s that this team won’t quit.

by GonzoNole on Nov 23, 2008 1:26 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

In a kind of unrelated note,

I hope the NCAA looks at what happened this year and bans the blackout from college athletics. It is not a good thing for anyone.

by Mongo314 on Nov 23, 2008 1:50 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

random thoughts:

- I am hungover, man. It’s amazing that an FSU win like that can make you feel invincible. I’m paying the price this morning.
- PRob did have some good plays, but that missed tackle on the first drive still bothers me. Am I a perfectionist? Maybe.
- Speaking of the first drive…was i the only one cursing this Mickey Andrews defense? Seems like every freaking game this defense comes out flat. Can’t say that we should expect anything different next week.
- This was the best FSU telecast ever. I hope every recruit was watching tonight. Between Rolle and the performance on the field, it was one for the ages.
- I’m pretty shocked about this game last night. This team continues to prove me wrong, which is impressive. Us fans still have that hanging cloud of doubt embedded in us, but this team does not.
- This game makes the BC game that much more disappointing.
- Apparently MD’s QB Turner said our defense played dirty and took cheap shots. Honestly, I don’t care, and I hope we “play to the echo of the whistle” versus UF and put Tebow on his rear. I’ve grown so tired of UF fans crying about “dirty” play from us that’s I’ve come to embrace it and encourage it, at the very least to piss them off.
- Speaking of Florida, I don’t feel good about it, but that means nothing, considering I didn’t expect anything close to the performance last night. Two things that stick out to me – UF had two weeks to prepare, and UF’s offense is built to beat a Mickey Andrew’s defense. Those two things will be very hard to overcome.
- Funny how ten years ago this game would have been business as usual, and we probably would be complaining about it. It’s amazing how different everything feels now. Rewind 8 or 9 years ago, and we are all completely different fans, for better or for worse.
- OK, I think I need to go back to bed. Go Noles.

by mp212121 on Nov 23, 2008 7:54 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Chris Turner

I will let him say whatever he wants. That man took an absolute beating. I’m surprised his jaw isn’t wired shut today.

by MattDNole on Nov 23, 2008 8:23 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

A Question

Because I’ve thought about it and I honestly do not know the answer.

When was the last time Florida State was able to put its backups in during an ACC game, not because we had to but because we wanted to?

by MattDNole on Nov 23, 2008 8:22 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Run the Darn Ball!!!!
The Seminoles’ offense came out in the second half and continued to pound the Terrapins. A 13-play, 61-yard drive — which included 31 yards rushing by Ponder — ended with a Graham Gano 22-yard field goal and a 24-0 lead. More importantly, the time-consuming march chewed up 8:13 of the game clock.

That is a big piece of what was missing against BC and Wake; do not abandon the run! Get creative and find another way if the middle is stopped. This is becoming our Offensive ID and I cannot wait for RT’s boys to mature physically!
Eat that clock against the Lizards!
Go to H$!! Gators!

wac

by FSUwac87 on Nov 23, 2008 8:28 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nice to see

This team play with a lead and not look back. How many games this year have we played form a 10-0 or 14-0 hole? It feels like most of them. I was refreshing to finally see them play hard the whole game and control it from start to finish.

by zest on Nov 23, 2008 9:51 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

roughing the passer

Is it me or was the roughing the passer call against fsu a bs call? Looked like a perfectly good hit to me.

by Tom Frazier on Nov 23, 2008 9:59 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I thought it was clean as well.

Tom, I deleted your fanpost since you posted in both places. The call was marginal, but I thought it was more clean than dirty.

by FSUncensored on Nov 23, 2008 12:48 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hopefully this uf game

can be like the 1997 game with roles reversed

by FSUStateOfMind on Nov 23, 2008 10:04 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

97 game was the most painful game I can

remember along with UM 2000. So many times we could have put the game away. 1st and goal at the 3 and we get a field goal.
Should have went for it.

We shoulda beat UF by 20 that year.

by FSUStateOfMind on Nov 23, 2008 12:52 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Concerning the fumbles,

I think that they were a result of the cold weather. I believe the temp was 26 degrees last night. That’s below freezing. Believe me, your hands feel different when the temperature is that cold!

by windycitynole on Nov 23, 2008 11:30 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Let's hope we come better prepared for Florida this year...

Last year it looked like Mickey Andrews prepared for the game like I prepared for alot of my college exams. Wait till the night before the exam, go to library and stay up till 5am cramming hoping to memorize the information. And we can see how well that worked for him, and for me for that matter. It will be very difficult to get to Tebow with the style of offense they play, but lets hope that Mickey can scheme enough to get them out of their comfort zone and allow our pass rush to attack. As FSUncensored stated above, we can’t have the same type of red zone performance as we did last night. We need TD’s not field goals. Let’s end Tebow’s Heisman campaign (i’m not advocating that we break his arm again but lets put a beating on him).

Here’s hoping we see Tebow crying to the media again next Saturday night after a disappointing loss as he did after Ole Miss.

by Renegade11 on Nov 23, 2008 12:01 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I remember Danielson saying during the game

last year that he asked Mickey how to stop Tebow and Mickey said, “I don’t know yet.”

by FSUStateOfMind on Nov 23, 2008 12:54 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It was sad.

Gates quoted as saying “easiest defense we faced all year. It they lined up in X, you do X, if they are in Z, you do Z, etc.”

Let’s hope…

by FSUncensored on Nov 23, 2008 12:58 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Everette Brown

would obviously get a whole lot more credit if he played for a dynasty team.

by FSUStateOfMind on Nov 23, 2008 2:12 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He

Faces

  • far more sophisticated and developed pass protections.
  • Much better teams (our old schedules were poor)
  • Teams playing us who aren’t always down by 24 points

by FSUncensored on Nov 23, 2008 2:20 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I also agree about the 3:30 game being better

Almost seems like the team, Ponder especially, plays under too much mental pressure at home during prime time. It’s completely understandable – after all the scrutiny Rix and Weatherford got from our students, you want to perform to perfection, which can negatively impact your play. Ponder won’t have all day to think about it.

by mp212121 on Nov 23, 2008 2:26 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

My thoughts

are a little late coming in, but got back late from the game last night and had Church this morning.

EB is nasty. Yes, their OT’s aren’t good, but not only was he getting in the backfield he was all over the field. They couldn’t run his way, he was tracking down short passes.

Our DT’s are STILL bad. I was amazed they abandoned the run so fast. They didn’t even try to run up the middle but had 2 30yrd plays up the gut in the 2nd half. Thacker was pancaked several times. (if you could get a number on this in watching film that would be interesting)

They picked on P-Rob. He played well, but will need to play faster against UF. I am worried about him and fly routes although he covered one very well.

Ponder threw high a lot. He needs to get his passes down a bite, esp. on these bubble screens. Their corners are terrible, but UF will have a lot more speed to stuff this out.

Gano needs to be yanked from Kickoffs. They were terrible. I love him, and was sitting right behind the punters/kickers/long snappers and he along with Aronson were having a good ole time with the fans. Seem like really fun guys. However, his ko’s were line drives. He got his first one out of the endzone and squibbed several but yikes. They had great starting position all night. Though I expect to see us do that against UF a bunch (squib)

Nicholson had his best game this season.

We HAVE to figure out this underneath passing game. They got us a couple of times.

overall, not to sound like a pessimist, we played REALLY well.

by UNFNOLE on Nov 23, 2008 2:26 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

O

and Preston Parker…..will you PLEASE SHUT UP? He was in Ponders face and the coaches face after a 3 and out.

by UNFNOLE on Nov 23, 2008 2:27 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Good takes

DT play is going to continue to be poor— those guys aren’t very good.

Teams who don’t Doubleteam EB are just negligent.

I thought PRob played really well. We’ll give them a deep out route against press coverage and a good pass rush.

I thought he threw the Bubbles as well as he has all year! He threw is and led them up the field. They were borderline illegal.

I counted 3 high throws that were poorly thrown. I’ll try to look for more.

I can’t agree on yanking Gano. We MUST gamble with him this weekend. You cannot squib to UF. They must start at the 20. If he can’t put it in the end zone consistently, we will lose. Plain and simple. It’s better to try and lose than not try at all. Giving UF the ball at the 35 off a squib is a death wish.

I’m glad you have a critical eye.

by FSUncensored on Nov 23, 2008 2:36 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

My only concern

is that our coverage isn’t very good (on KO’s). They have dangerous athletes. James is averaging 25 yrds per return (given he hasn’t broken one)

You counted 3 high ones on quick passes? What is the percentage on that of how many he threw? That can result in INT’s if the WR is hit and seperated from the ball. This is going to be one of the fiercest group of athletes (maybe with the exception of GaTech) that we have seen all year on defense. Im not nearly as confident as you with our ability to cover down field. Against BC we gave up several and had 2 or 3 pass interferences. They have only allowed 14 sacks all year. We are probably more dominant than any DE’s they have played but our middle sucks. Urban is much smarter than the Fridge.

by UNFNOLE on Nov 23, 2008 3:02 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I just take quick little notes. i thought 3 were definitely high and 2 were off target (wide).

out of 24 passes, that’s an inaccurate throw on one of 5.

I get your point about kickoff coverage, but we have to gamble. they are so superior to us that squibbing is a sure loss. Can we get burned on kickoff? No doubt. I’m just saying: are you playing to win or playing to avoid a blowout?

by FSUncensored on Nov 23, 2008 3:06 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ehhhh

If your squibbing it, it’s going to be at the 30 – 35. If you line driving it like Gano does, they are catching it at the 5-10 with a 25 yrd return, your at the same spot and avoiding a bigger gain.

by UNFNOLE on Nov 23, 2008 3:34 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The coverage just isn't

there to be line driving it to good athletes. Huge mistake. This just isn’t Gano’s forte and that’s ok.

by UNFNOLE on Nov 23, 2008 3:34 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He's put it in the end zone before.

I am saying that they will smoke us if we give it to them at the 35-40. We have to gamble that he puts it in the end zone. We have to have kicks in the end zone. Hopefully the warmer weather (Maryland looked collld) will allow him to put it in the end zone.

by FSUncensored on Nov 23, 2008 3:51 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Replacing Gano

has nothing to do with whether we squib it. Frankly, if thats all we were doing, I would rather Gano be in because he does that well. If we want to kick it down field, I want more hang time to give us better coverage.
Maryland was COLD. However, I dont think its going to be drastically warm enough to effect how the ball flys. From what it looks like it hasn’t been super warm in Tally. Anyway, I think it also effected his ability to punt last night. He just wasn’t on regarding Kickoffs or Punts, and really hasn’t been great at kicking it off.
I guess there is no real way of finding out the average hang time of kickoffs, but Gano’s isn’t good.

by UNFNOLE on Nov 23, 2008 4:08 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

With who? Esco?

Gano didn’t have a great day kicking off yesterday, but he is still far better than anyone else on the team for the job. UM,VT, and GT were consistently getting the ball near midfield with Esco kicking off. Gano can put out a performance like he did against clemson, where the field position off of kickoffs was at the 20, 20, 20, 19, 22, 9, 30(after a FSU personal foul), and 36(this I think was a pooch kick or something). Say what you want about him kicking line drives, but it has looked to me like the coverage is just as good or better on his kickoffs, and he can get touchbacks. Taking Gano off the kickoff would end badly.

by Mongo314 on Nov 23, 2008 5:18 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yes, Esco puts daylight under the ball

He has what, 2 touchbacks? The first one was just over guys heads. The only high one he had was to the 20. I am just guaranteeing that if we line drive it to james, we are in trouble. Nobody in their right mind would argue that a line drive is better than hang time. His hang time is AWFUL.

How many touchbacks did Esco average a game? 1? (I can’t find kickoff stats anywhere.) No better than Gano. I like Gano just think he is better suited at punting and fg’s. Plus his leg must have been effected in his punts, because those weren’t good last night either.

by UNFNOLE on Nov 23, 2008 8:32 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Kickoffs

The only time kickoffs have been effective this year is when Gano kicks it in the endzone. So, if it were up to me Gano kicking off is a must. Of course, it might be a moot point if we can’t score.

I have no confidence in our kickoffs. I’m sure Bowden will make the call that he doesn’t want to kick or punt to Brandon James, and it will screw us big time. Kickoffs are the one part of the game that Bowden feels he can meddle with. They just need to tell him, “coach, we can’t play scared. we can’t give them the ball on the 40.”

Punting also has me concerned b/c UF always gets lucky blocks and crap like that in the special teams. Maryland almost got a couple of our punts last night.

Kind of strange that even with an excellent weapon in Gano, I still look at our special teams as a big liability.

by mp212121 on Nov 23, 2008 4:49 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Using Gano

on kickoffs isn’t a gamble. Not using him on kickoffs would be insane. Take the GT game for example. Esco started that game kicking off, and GT’s field position off of the kick was the 46 yard line on an average of 38 yards per return. After Gano was put in the avg position off of kickoffs was the 21 with two touchbacks and an average return of 21 yards. Gano kicked the ball farther, and the coverage was better. Gano has had only 3 kickoffs returned for more than 25 yards, and 31yards is the longest. People keep worrying about his line drive kicks, but kick coverage in general has been better with him kicking off.

by Mongo314 on Nov 23, 2008 5:57 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Its dumb to argue

that kick coverage is better because of his kicking. His hang time is terrible. Maybe the guys on special teams are waking up, but wouldn’t they be better suited if they had more time?

by UNFNOLE on Nov 23, 2008 8:33 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

All I am doing is looking at the numbers

and they say that teams were getting more yards per return, and breaking more big returns, when Esco was kicking. I am not saying that it is directly related to his kicks. It may be a psychological thing, the coverage unit gets pumped because he is kicking or something. There isn’t really a reason that I can say, it is just the way it is. You say his hang time isn’t good. I say that according to the results he has had, his hang time doesn’t seem to matter.

by Mongo314 on Nov 24, 2008 2:37 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

my thoughts

I think we played well but something is still missing. I dont know what it is but there is something on the Off just missing. I love how we have made a year of this so far but Next week is going to be a bad week. There is only one good thing going to come out of next week and that Maryland playing BC and Im worried Maryland wont get anything done. FSU vs UF is not going to look good at all.
Back to this game. There was one play in the last 2min of the 2nd qrt where I though I saw 2 guys for Maryland in motion on a play.
I love how we went to the bubble screen on our first TD play. It was like wow we havent done that play in a while and we dont want you to forget about it.
Great running for both back. I think J. T. Might be better than Smith.
I like the two QB it give Ponder a brake and to get a good play and lets Dvo in to use his Speed/Arm. I think its a good Idea
Last I like our Blitz package. We didnt send the farm. We still need to work on timing. Next week we need to know where P. Harvery is at all times. I think the D- game plan from this week might work next week. Other than they will run there plays better, Faster, and smarter. Well maybe this gameplan wont work but the intinsity might. I hope Brown plays the same.

by Desman on Nov 23, 2008 7:01 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

So I went to the game, then watched the CSTV Maryland replay today at 4

As usual, FSU represents well up here in the DC metro area. Lots of grads/bandwagon fans that converted when we would venture up here and routinely smack around UVa and UMd.

I think this week was a vindication of the critique that has been posited and discussed on these boards throughout the week. Specifically on defense, where Mickey was unfairly by some eyes disparaged for his stubbornness, lack of creativity, and general oldness . Yeah, we dominated in that phase of the game. But the method by which we dominated was indicative of what a Mickey Andrews defense denotes.

Everette Brown is a perfect example of what I’m trying to get at here. He earned his pending paycheck last night. In person, this guy is impressive . He reminds me of a cross between Peter Boulware with his hand on the ground and Dwight Freeney. His speed rush was unblockable; we were guaranteed a sack every time they isolated him against either tackle. His footwork and intuition only accentuated the obvious physical disparity between him and everyone else on the field, as he would toy with the opposing linemen, get him to cross his feet, and then swim or speed by him. Admittedly, putting him at the DT position with Mincey, Moffett, and White may be the best schematic quirk we’ve employed in a while: it gave us 4 DE’s that each have superior 1on1 technique. This only works well when you have a first rounder like Brown to as the fulcrim, however, because he generates enough worry to shake the whole line’s confidence and divert their attention enough to accentuate the advantage that our other 1on1’s should take advantage of.

With ample pressure from the front four, the vanilla scheme behind the LOS was able to succeed. FSUncensored’s comparison to Miami’s ubiqitous man under during the early decade is spot on. Press coverage by the DB’s, not necessarily to remove the player as an option, but essentially to rush the play even more, skewing the timing between the QB and the WRs that is already stressed due to the lack of time in the pocket. Clogging the middle of the field with athletic linebackers playing a rough man zone, taking away the middle of the field from a quarterback that doesn’t have the composure, arm strength, or sure footing to drive it outside. Deep safety or robber-1 coverage from the back behind, a conservative aspect that works when you have DL pressure, changed timing, middle contain.

We didn’t try to fool anyone. We ran this look for much of the game (we used the robber coverage with Ingram, but switched to deep halves when Myron came back). But the reason it worked was not due to schematic advantage or precise response. It was due to our personnel advantage.

We had a verifiable game changer on the field. Brown last night was the definition of the necessary element of Mickey Andrew’s defense. Everything we did worked because of the havoc he wrought. Without him beating anyone he lined up against, wherever he lined up, our man coverage doesn’t work. The old hook that you can only successfully cover your man for under 3 seconds proves, true, and we get torched by crossing and rub routes. The deep halves we played get exposed, with multiple verticals or play action.

Whittled down to its core, the offense’s advantage over the defense in football is directly related to time and space . Each offense attempts to generate a temporal or spatial advantage against the defense in a unique way. Either they use the width of the field and create pockets of nuermical and directional advantage in space, or they use the duration of the play to create pockets of the same. A game changer on defense, one of those elite players that is a significantly better than anyone on the field, can singlehandedly remove the ability of the offense to use either time or space to its advantage. A dominant DE or CB do this most directly. The DE disrupts the timing of the offense, compressing its ability to make decisions and find those pockets of advantage, and the CB eliminates the spatial aspect: shrinking the field to 27 yards. Compressing the field to 27 yards makes finding that same advantagous situation very difficult.

Brown was the cause of our advantage last night. Mickey Andrews’ defense is predicated upon each player’s ability to beat his opposite. His scheme does not creatively or through subterfuge put his players in their best chance of success. Instead, it places the onus on each player to exhibit perfect execution and superior athletic ability. This can work when you have a dominant force on your side, because it disrupts the natural advantage of space, time, and direction that the offense possesses. But when you don’t have that trump card, the inevitable weight of personal responsibility and the stress of perfect execution is too heavy to bare. Good defensive coordinators use schematic know-how and creative intuition to limit that weight. When you put your athletic players in places that highlights their strengths and diminishes their weaknesses, you get great players making great plays. Mickey’s way can work. But it puts the albatross on the game changing player instead of the coach. It’s the player’s responsibility to highlight the abilities of his teammates and mask their weaknesses, through his disruption.

I’ve got impressions about our offense and employment of personnel on either side of the ball too, but I wanna post this first and see what the response is. If I’m completely talking out of my ass, I don’t want to do it twice more, lol.

by CaStauch on Nov 23, 2008 8:16 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Very well done

Mickey’s scheme is incredibly risky (and somewhat lazy). I copied this because I think you captured what many have tried to say.

Good defensive coordinators use schematic know-how and creative intuition to limit that weight. When you put your athletic players in places that highlights their strengths and diminishes their weaknesses, you get great players making great plays. Mickey’s way can work. But it puts the albatross on the game changing player instead of the coach. It’s the player’s responsibility to highlight the abilities of his teammates and mask their weaknesses, through his disruption.

What does it say that cover-1 robber is considered “creative”?

by FSUncensored on Nov 23, 2008 10:25 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thanks for knocking off Maryland

The Terps don’t play particularly well on the road (1-3 this season), but regardless, I far prefer to play a team that’s recently had their dreams crushed than one that’s still believing they can play for the title.

Should be a close game in Chestnut Hill with Davis getting the nod. BC’s only a 6.5 point favorite as of now….guess we’ll wait and see. Nice win vs. The Turtle this past weekend.

by BCMike22 on Nov 24, 2008 11:32 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ACC = Special Olympics

Please remember – you’re comparing FSU success against other ACC teams. That’s like picking the star decathlete of the special olympics and saying he’s the best in the world. Then you line him up against a true world class athlete and what happens – it’s no contest.

Truth is this – ACC is incredihly mediocre to flat out terrible this year. I agree that the SEC, overall, is down a little this year, but they’re still light years ahead of the pathetic ACC. UF WILL hang 50+ on this team next week. I’ll be first to cheer an upset, but that is most unlikely.

I think FSU is on the right track – they need to make some coaching changes and soon – but they are moving in right direction. They’re not there yet.

by OGN on Nov 24, 2008 12:30 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

SEC = Strongly over rated Conference

I don’t remember the last time a conference got more press for mediocrity.

The top of the conference is very good, with Florida being, IMO, the hottest team in the nation at this point. Alabama certainly isn’t the best team in the nation, as any one of the Big 12 competitors would wax them easily. UGA has proven to be a paper tiger as well.

This year belongs to the Big 12. The SEC was wildly over-rated, and the ACC, BigEast, and Big10 are all devoid of any national championship-caliber teams this year. From #4-#12, there’s no conference in the nation remotely as deep as the ACC. The ACC could, theoretically, have 11 bowl teams this season. Tough to argue how a conference that churns out 11 bowl teams is truly awful, don’t you think?

by BCMike22 on Nov 24, 2008 2:12 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ACC Sucks

I agree – the football is equally bad in this league.

by OGN on Nov 25, 2008 7:29 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Oh, OGN

I love SEC fans. It really doesn’t matter what they do or who they lose to (DUKE), they’re still the best at everything, ever.

Here’s to hoping the ’Noles shove a spear up your ass this weekend.

by BCMike22 on Nov 25, 2008 10:36 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ACC vs SEC

We will get a good comparison b/w the ACC and SEC this weekend but look at the teams in the SEC. LSU mediocre with a bad defense, Auburn terrible, Vandy lost to Duke, Arkansas terrible, Miss St. terrible, Tenn lost to Wyoming, Ole Miss lost to Wake Forest, how many bad teams do you need in one conference. Of course Florida is prob playing the best in the country, Georgia looks good on paper, and Alabama has done great with young players. It’s hard to down another conference when there is not much too say about your own.

by dj2fsu on Nov 25, 2008 1:51 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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