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Recipe for beating the Gators

OK, it's time to cook up an upset. Here are my thoughts on the big game.

 

SUMMARY

Let's not kid ourselves. They are better than us. In some areas, much better. We can talk all we want about how our team speed matches theirs, but it doesn't. The difference between Preston Parker and Percy Harvin is off the charts. In spots, we can match up, but overall, they are faster.

We are also not as strong as they are on either line. That doesn't mean we can't win the trenches, it just means we will have to play with excellent technique and we will have to rely on momentum throughout the game.

Here are the ingredients to an upset:

1) FAST START

We need to score the first touchdown of the game. Notice I didn't say we "have to score first." Kicking a field goal as the first score of the game is actually worse than not scoring at all because everybody in the stadium will be thinking the same thing "We can't beat them with field goals." It's actually a hidden momentum sapper. We can kick a field goal early, but it must then be followed by a touchdown BEFORE they score a touchdown.

I give us virtually zero chance of coming from behind in this game.

2) TURNOVERS

We've got to be plus 2 or better. Sorry, but in an even turnover world, even if we win special teams big, we lose. We won't be able to stop them consistently and they will be able to stop us -- perhaps not consistently, but enough.

But, it's not enough to be plus 2, turnovers need to either DENY them points (inside our 30 yard line) or lead directly to FSU points.

3) BIG PLAYS

OK, we've socred the first touchdown and we've capitalized on a turnover margin of 2 more more. Now, we need to be minus 2 or better on plays over 30 yards.

4) SPECIAL TEAMS

We need to win special teams -- if we are on the low end of the above factors (that is, if we're right on +2 in turnovers and right on -2 in big plays) then we'll need to have a game-changing special teams play (return for TD, blocked punt for TD). Otherwise, we need to win convincingly by: a) averaging at least 8 yards more per return than they do b) averaging at least 5 yards more per net punt than they do c) defeating them in the field goal/PAT game

5) RUSHING OFFENSE

We simply need to run the ball. First and foremoast, we need more rushing attempts than the Gators. We don't have to have any super long runs, but we need a number of gains of 15+ yards -- let's say 5 or more. Our trick running plays need to ALL go for positive yardage. We need to be minus 5 minutes or better on time of possession.

 

That's it.

Notice I'm not talking about their offense other than in the big play section. They are going to move the ball and score points, it's that simple. But if we are Plus 2 or better on tunovers, that should lead to a net gain of 10-14 points. If we start fast to gain momentum, gain (directly or indirectly 7 points off special teams) and run the ball effectively enough to limit their possessions, we can win a 35-31, 31-28, 28-27-type game.

ANALOG

I like the 1996 game as an analog.

They were clearly better than us that year. Our 2008 offense is probably a little better  (despite Dunn) and our 1996 defense was better (scary good that year -- Wadsworth/Wilson/et al)

Let's look at how the game turned out.

We won the turnover battle 3-1 (3 Weurffel INTs -- and another that was stolen by a bogus PI call --  we had one fumble).

We won special teams -- Boulware blocked a punt that we recovered at the 2 -- Pooh Bear finished it off for 6. They also missed 2 FG's. Sean Liss averaged 42.6 per boot while they averaged less than 30 yards. Peter Warrick also had a nice 19-yard return.

I don't konw about big plays, but none of their scoring plays were from over 10 yards. I remember a couple of long throws to Reidell Anthony but we also had a long pass to Warrick to the 2 yard line so I think we were at least minus-2 or better there.

And oh my did we run the ball. 35 carries for 183 yards, almost all of that by Dunn. Obviously we'll have to spread it around more Saturday, but you get the idea. They had 28 carries for 81 yards.

Oh, and on "Fast start?" -- we took a 17 nothing lead.

We need 1996 all over again. We're going to give up points, but if we follow the above recipe we will still have a great shot to win.

 

 

 

 

 

TURNOVERS

I've said for about a month that we've got to be +2 or better in turnover margin to win.

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By the way

Maybe it’s just my computer, but all of the sudden, the right-hand rail is black and the site is throwing the fan posts, etc. down to the bottom center of the page.

by Fsued on Nov 24, 2008 5:24 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Also ...

Don’t know why that extraneous “tunovers” line is stuck at the bottom, other than I’m an idiot.

by Fsued on Nov 24, 2008 5:24 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

"We are also not as strong as they are on either line"

That is my biggest concern when talking about an upset because that is the catalyst for # 3 and # 5. # 5 is an obvious connection between the two and will lead into # 3 if we can force some of their attention onto the running game allowing for P.A. Perhaps #3 could happen if we establish bubbles in the game and can somehow throw them off by going deep after a fake by Ponder.

I would add a #6 to your list: Someone besides Brown will have to step up on defense and be a thorn in the offensive coordinators side. I don’t see us wining the game unless we stop at least two Florida drives on the defenses own accord (not on turnovers). It can happen, anything can happen and we by far have the athletes to do it. I think of the Rocky movie #4 where he finally cuts (Drago?) and that mystical veil is lifted from the highly touted favorite and reality sets in the heart of the underdog that a win is more possible than previously conceived.

As for turnovers, I feel as though that is more of luck than anything unless Everett Brown takes another “next step” (which I have no doubt he is capable, but will he against the toughest competion all season) and is able to force some bad throws like against MD. This is going to be the DL’s toughest competition all season right?

ps- I think that multiple things need to happen like you well outlined, but we don’t necessarily need a perfect lining of the planets for us to win this game. Ole Miss beat them, we can as well. Heck, think about USC and Stanford last year, right?

Side note late night thoughts—

Wouldn’t it be sweet to line DVO up next to Ponder in shotgun: option play, direct snap to DVO, or P.A. to DVO, or line DVO up behind Ponder and run a reverse with DVO giving it to Reed, use that and then you could also fake the reverse and DVO could throw downfield… the confusion would abound if we could get DVO in at a time where the opponent wouldn’t be expecting it—- even have DVO line up at a WR and do that fake bubble pass to DVO and Ponder flips direction and throws it to easterling or reed instead!—anyway, that was a fun rant incase anyone likes to play make-beleive.

by FSUvaFan on Nov 24, 2008 11:21 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Looks like a glitch in the site

I thought there was no Gator talk on the site whatsoever until I scrolled all the way down here…..

I agree you will need to accomplish the full list of items outlined above. Our biggest weakness right now is D-line because we are pretty banged up and had to shuffle around some players this week because of injury. Ball control is key – you have to keep Tebow, Percy, Demps, Rainy, Moody, etc. etc. off the field. That will require running the ball succesfully and converting 3rd downs.

I will say that this Gator offense may be better than the 1996 Gator Offense, which still managed 21 against a spectacular FSU D in Tallahassee and then erupted against them in the National Championship rematch a month later. Our defense this year is much improved from last season and has played better than the ’96 unit.

The team that Ole Miss beat is dead and buried. The post Ole Miss Gators are on a mission. They are Mike Singletary-focused.

We welcome any of you to the Alligator Army site for some game week lively discussion.

by skigator93 on Nov 25, 2008 11:09 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You need to stick around this week

and give us your thoughts on this game. It’s always nice to have someone who watches a team consistently. I have only seen one Florida game this year. I will drop by your website as much as possible as well and give you my thoughts on the Noles (not that they are worth much).

by UNFNOLE on Nov 25, 2008 4:17 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I will do my best

My fear is that FSU will ride its home field momentum to an early lead and that Dan Mullen (OC) will go conservative and paralyze our offense. This is a special team, perhaps our most talented in history and they will lose only when they help the opponent.

Turnovers will be key as well as special teams – we all agree on that. Penalties can also have a big impact on this game, as both teams can somtimes have problems with too many penalties.

I read today that Jeff Demps is fired up to play FSU because he grew up a Seminole fan, but was snubbed by FSU, only being offered a track scholarship and not football. Not sure if that will have any impact, but it’s something else to think about if Demps seems to be playing with an extra hop in his step.

by skigator93 on Nov 25, 2008 11:56 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

FSU wins if:

  • Gano kicks it into the endzone often);
  • The Noles run 15 more plays than the Gators and have at least a 12-minute advantage in time of possession.;
  • They are +1 in the turnover department;
  • Force the Gators into panic mode. UF wants to win with style; the Noles are okay with winning ugly. The Gator defense wants to play the run on the way to the passer. It will be interesting to see if they can maintain their balance. If they start to panic, will they get gashed by the cutback?; and
  • The Gators begin zero drives in Nole territory.

by FSUncensored on Nov 26, 2008 12:20 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Rain.

Lots and lots of rain.

by MattDNole on Nov 26, 2008 8:26 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ummm...

But the kind of rain that doesn’t take the crowd out of the game.

Ok… so a torrential downpour on the field, but totally dry in the stands.

That’s what we need.

by MattDNole on Nov 26, 2008 8:28 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Rain?!

Don’t you know Gators are reptiles that thrive in the muck?

by skigator93 on Nov 26, 2008 10:49 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

update previous post

 
Beat Florida?
1. Need Insane Saturday Night Fever at the Doak
Saturday afternoon will have to do
2. Go Lou Holtz on them the week before ’These guys are the greatest since.." talk
I like what I am hearing so far from both players and coaches, especially MA
3. No stupid "Geno Hayes like" comments on Tebow et al
See #2, PP needs to shut up and play!
4. RAIN, sounds nuts but may be a great equalizer
THIS MAY BE JUST WHAT THE DOCTOR ORDERED!
by FSUwac87 on Nov 10, 2008 11:10 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I am all in on we must Score 7 first and find a way to neutralize their special teams.

Hard to believe gator post about Demps not being looked at by the Noles. He was a Known Star from Clermont area, he simply chose the lizrds

wac

by FSUwac87 on Nov 26, 2008 12:22 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You are absolutely right about scoring first

Question: In how many games this season has a UF opponent scored first?

Answer: One. Ole Miss – a 31-30 loss and that was at home. In fact, that is the only game that Florida has trailed in this entire season. Hard to believe, but true. Nobody really knows how we would respond to an early deficit, especially in a hostile environment.

Of all FSUncensored’s points, scoring first is definintely most important. During our amazing run this season, we have always jumped out early and then piled on.

by skigator93 on Nov 26, 2008 10:08 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Also, you might have overlooked this:
Tackles for Loss
http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/natlRank.jsp?year=2008&rpt=IA_teamtacklesloss&site=org

Rank Name Gm Solo Ast Yds Total PG
1 Florida St. 11 77 36 424 95.0 8.64
2 Mississippi 11 67 50 334 92.0 8.36
27 Miami (Fla.) 11 57 32 304 73.0 6.64
30 Tennessee 11 63 18 262 72.0 6.55
35 Kentucky 11 53 34 285 70.0 6.36
51 Vanderbilt 11 53 24 275 65.0 5.91
57 Georgia 11 50 24 240 62.0 5.64
71 Arkansas 11 49 20 239 59.0 5.36
75 LSU 11 40 36 233 58.0 5.27
80 South Carolina 11 51 12 246 57.0 5.18

I assume you’ll agree that the key to beating UF is stop the run to minimize the impact of the play action. Getting pressure without blitzing seems to be paramount. McShay rates DE Everette Brown as the best pass rusher in America.

UF should win this game, no doubt, but some things (lack of a dominant defensive line), primarily man-coverage from UF, home field favor FSU.

Gators are a Snowball team— they get the lead and begin to use momentum. This is similar to what Clemson has done over the past few years. I’m not sure how they react to being punched; nobody is.

by FSUncensored on Nov 26, 2008 10:41 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ouch

I’ve heard some insults this week and I can handle it, but being compared to Clemson is just plain cruel!

by skigator93 on Nov 27, 2008 6:25 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

haha

No one the gates deserve that treatment

by FSUvaFan on Nov 27, 2008 11:16 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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