Wesnedsay Recruitin', CBS SportsBlogpollin', Number Crunchin', Gator Hatin', and Noles by the Numbers
by Bud Elliott on Nov 26, 2008 1:34 AM EST
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| Rank | Team | |
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| 1 | Texas | |
| 2 | Florida | |
| 3 | Oklahoma | |
| 4 | Alabama | |
| 5 | Southern Cal | |
| 6 | Texas Tech | |
| 7 | Penn State | |
| 8 | Oklahoma State | |
| 9 | Ohio State | |
| 10 | Georgia | |
| 11 | Missouri | |
| 12 | Cincinnati | |
| 13 | Oregon State | |
| 14 | Iowa | |
| 15 | Michigan State | |
| 16 | Georgia Tech | |
| 17 | Mississippi | |
| 18 | Boston College | |
| 19 | California | |
| 20 | Florida State | |
| 21 | Oregon | |
| 22 | North Carolina | |
| 23 | Utah | |
| 24 | Miami (Florida) | |
| 25 | Northwestern | |
This is not a power poll. I don't attempt to rank teams based on how good I think they are. I only rank teams based on their resume. The poll is designed to be dynamic. I try to start from scratch every week. I do attempt to reward teams for "quality losses", while punishing them for bad performances. I do not give excessive credit for stomping horrible teams. As always, I want your help. Keep in mind though that I don't want "team X is way better than team Y." I do want "team A has a better resume than team B, you should make the change." Power poll rankings are dumb.
The teams ranked 16, 19, 23, 24 all lost to lesser ranked or unranked foes this past weekend. Several others had scares How are those power polls working for them? I do not consult major polls when doing this. Their record of futility is clear. Let the teams earn their rankings on the field. I try to remove as much subjectivity as possible. The AP Poll and it's counterparts are silly. Ranking teams based on who you think is good is not going to work. We don't know how great teams truly are until they play the games on the field. I rank what happens on the field. This system is not perfect. I like to reward playing well against good teams, win or lose, and punish losing to poor teams more harshly than I reward defeating poor teams.
Reward Grinders. I like to reward those who play difficult schedules. Those mid-majors do not have to prepare for difficult games on a weekly basis, and I take that into account. After finally getting a chance to watch these guys, I realized that they are not at the level of ranked teams from major conferences. Additionally, their schedule strengths were incredibly inflated because they had all played each other, who were also ranked highly. These teams are not talented. They are able to focus on their 1 game of the year against a big-6 conference team for several weeks. The BCS team views them as a schedule break. Letdown city. I am really against power-polling, but none of these teams deserve to play in a BCS game and I am no longer rewarding teams in any way for simply not losing to the likes of Eastern Illinois and Nevada. Utah is in, but barely. I have no doubt that they would have at least 4 losses in any BCS conference (except the Big East).
Florida State at # 20. Wins over Miami, Va tech, Maryland, Colorado and a fast improving NC State team. Losses include Georgia Tech, Wake Forest, and Boston College... 3 bowl teams who were very much in contention for the conference title as of last weekend.
Recruiting Question
Today is a 2-parter. For the next 2 years (2009 and 2010):
1. What position are you most worried about ?
2. What position are you most confident in?
The rest will be updated later today. Happy Thanksgiving!
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1) I’d have to say I’m most worried about the CB position. Partly because of who we are going after but not going to get, and partly because of our pattern of missing out on good players who we aren’t targeting.
2) Umm… consider it a cop out, but I’m most confident in the offensive line mainly because I believe Rick Trickett can turn anybody into an All American. While I think most of our assistants on offense are good, he’s the only one who I have absolutely no doubt will put a successful product on the field at his position.
Recruiting
1) I am most worried about Defensive Tackle recruiting. We are low in numbers next year and while the kids we are bringing in are good, they do not have the size to be a big contributer. McDaniel is 270 on a good day and McCallister is 260. I would like to see us get kids more in the mold of Mincey and less like K Stewart. For some reason Odell gets a pass when the defensive coaches come up but you could argue he has been the worst recruiter the past 4 years.
2) I am confident in Linebackers. We will always bring in good linebackers because of the NFL talent we have produced and are only in need of one for this year. Mizell would be a top 50 player if his past was clean. The future is bright for this position.
1) I’m most concerend at QB. This has not been a stellar position for us in 8 years and I’m not convinced that Ponder is the answer. A close 2nd is O line – these guys are very young and undersized. Maybe another year at the training table and in the weight room adds physicality. We’ll find out just how far we have to go come Saturday.
2) I agree with kyled – I like the LB position.
Even if Ponder isn't the answer, how can you be worried about QB when we have
E.J. Manuel waiting for his turn? That kid is gonna be special under Jimbo, I think. I’m not worried about our QB play.
True, but....
We really don’t know E.J Manuel. He has the athletic gifts, but that doesn’t make him a special player (see Chris Rix).
Chris Rix did not have the coaching E.J. will have...
athletic gifts + Jimbo + from everything I’ve read he’s got his head on right = He’s gonna be solid for us. Very solid.
You’re right in that he hasn’t even taken a snap so maybe he’ll be a bust but all of this hinges on whether you trust Jimbo’s evaluation of him, and I do.
1. I am worried about cornerback depth. We do not have great players who are pure corner behind TC and Pat Robinson, and once they leave, I am worried to death.
2. I think we are stacked at RB and figure to get even better in 2010. Getting Prior and Thompson this next year after already having Ty Jones and Jermaine Thomas is looking good and then in 2010 looking at Clements, Lamb, Lattimore or any of the other studs we look to be in play with.
i'd be curious to see what other bloggers have as their power polls....
and if they are including the likes of Boise St, Utah, and Ball St. As my alma mater is a MAC school (Miami University-the real Miami) i have seen first hand the awful play of the MAC this year. There have been a couple years when there are actually a couple decent schools and i would consider it an accomplishment to go undefeated and that a ranking would be justified, but certainly not this year. I think the only team that i have seen that would compete in a BCS conference, not win it, but compete would be the 2003 Miami team which was Ben Roethlisberger’s last season and luckily my first year at Miami.
I would put Texas Tech
ahead of USC. But maybe I am just hating on USC. I can’t wait for this game on Saturday.
I also would agree about the Defensive Back situation. I would def. add Safteys into the mix. Every position is crucial i suppose in football, but Safteys are your last resort before a TD. We need to have the best athletes there.
I am confident about our RB situation. How can you not be when you see the talent we have that is young. Saluk took the words out of my mouth here.
Now lets start the Gator Hating.
1. I am most concerned about the secondary. Couldn’t really break it up because we are very thin in all positions there.
For the CBs I think there is a definite possibility that PRob may test the NFL Draft and we all know that his numbers would be would enough for him to get drafted. That would leave us with Mangum, Jenije, Allen, Parks and Alexander. None of the commitments projects as a CB so thats scary.
Safety is another position that scares me. Rolle, McClure and Lawson are gone. Jamie Robinson is gonna have to step it up. At least we have some good recruits coming in with Harley and if we get Starling I would feel a lot better.
2010 would be a very important year for us to recruit some gambreakers on defense we are very high on Joyner and he should be our top priority.
2. I am extremely confident at RB. I think we are set for years here. Thomas is looking like a game-breaker, we have Pressley and Ty Jones coming back, Thompson and Pryor committed and it looks like we may get Clements in 2010.
Definitely worried about the secondary. Who knows, someone may blossom in the off season. I do think that it may be one of the more difficult positions to recruit and develop, especially in conferences like the ACC and SEC where the receivers are typically huge and lightening fast.
What position do you guys think is the most difficult to evaluate and develop in to effective starters?
Also, kudos to the job Coley is doing. Bringing in Lonnie Pryor, Rodney Smith and Henry Orelus.
Orelus is a big kid, almost 300#‘s but only 6’2". He appears to have quick feet, but he plays too high for me, espescially for a future center. I think if he spends some time in the weight room he will do a better job driving his opponent off the ball rather than sliding them out of the way up the field. He could develop into a decent center in a couple of years. Seems like a pretty aggressive kind. Not sure what his football knowledge is like, which is key for a center (and quick feet).
Smith looks like he’ll be a nice addition to the receiving corps. Tall lanky kid 6’6 202#, kind of a Gregg Carr kind of build. He also played DE in high school. From what little I have seen of him he has the ability to catch the ball in space with his hands not his body.
Who do you think is doing the best job recruiting this year?
To answer your two questions
What position do you guys think is the most difficult to evaluate and develop in to effective starters?
To me is the OL. A player could have all of the physical attributes, but to be a good lineman you need good technique, aggresiveness, and most importantly intelligence. Thats why I think Coach Trickett has done such an amazing job with the young players he has. It seems as he has a knack (probably from being a marine) to motivate his players to perform beyond expectations. Second would be QB, almost the same situation as with OL. The mental aspect of the position may be more important than the physical. Plus at this position the player literally carries the whole team and some players cant handle that pressure.
Who do you think is doing the best job recruiting this year?
This is a very interesting question. The first person that jumps to me is James Coley, whoe brought in Dustin Hopkins, Henry Orelus, Lonnie Pryor, Rodney Smith, Bryan Stork and Xavier Rhodes. His impact in S.Fla has been tremendous and it could be even bigger in 2010. Also Jimbo brought in his main guy in Willie Downs and also Chris Thompson and he was to get Jawanza Starling then he should be considered as the top guy.
However, I want to go in a different direction and congratulate Bob LaCivita as doing the best job in recruiting for the Seminoles. Bob completely changed the way in which we recruit kids. Seminole Showcase being the prime example of that. We go after these kids early and hard. Coach Bowden used to rely on closing hard (and he did an amazing job of that) however, things have changed in recent years, and kids want to be recruited early and for the school to “show them love” early in the process. Bob recognized that and used it to our advantage by putting together a plan to get as many kids as we could to commit before the football season even started. Now I must admit that I loved the days in which I spent all day hitting F9 durign National Signing Day to see which kids were commiting to us, but I like the new approach. Im pretty sure we will do the same thing with the 2010 class and try to get a big time commit during the summer and let the ball roll, we did it with EJ Manuel and Nigel Bradham last year and Jacobbi McDaniel this year. I could easily see Eduardo Clements and/or LaMarcus Joyner commited to us soon after NSD.
by ChileanNole on Nov 26, 2008 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
Sorry about the quotes...it seems as I dont know how to use it
I thought I did it right.
by ChileanNole on Nov 26, 2008 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
Is Coley doing so well because his time is spent more on recruiting than the others? Looking at Warchant’s list of players being recruited I noticed that Fisher and Coley have a lot more targets than any other coach. This makes sense because Fisher is going to be the next HC, so he’ll need to be heavily involved in the recruiting, and Coley is the recruiting coordinator, and therefore spending more time recruiting. I don’t mean to take anything away from him as he’s responsible for a very nice list of recruits, it’s just an observation.
Certainly being the recruiting coordinator and TE coach would allow your more time...
…and therefore an increased number of targets. But, I think if you look at the overall quality of his targets and the kids he has landed, says something about his ability to identify and retain good talent. And I love that Fisher is going all over the map to get kids…seriously, attempting to get a QB out of California (it didn’t happen) but I like the global vision.
To answer
1. Most worried about is CB. Doesn’t seem like we have a lot of talent at the position beside P-Rob. I like Parks a ton, but think he is a safety all the way. Ditto for Harley. As for 2009, if we don’t offer Jayron Hosley. . . . it won’t be very pretty, that’s for sure. For 2010, hopefully we can get Joyner to commit nice and early. He is a must get and my favorite recruit for 2010. I don’t know of any other 2010 corners that have big interest in FSU.
2. Seems that LB will always be loaded. Mizell is going to kill an opposing player if he can keep his head on staight. We also pull in talent at LB, seems no matter the coach or record.
How have Ochuko Jenije and Dionte Allen progressed?
Is it crazy to see them both starting next year, assuming P-Rob leaves?
I know Dionte has been battling the injury bug since he got here...
But he was pretty highly touted coming out of H.S., would it be much of a stretch to think he could step up? Reports are that he is finally healthy.
I watched Allen during the UMd game when he was on the field for the last UMd drive. They only threw 2 passes when he was on the field. One was a hitch that was completed. The other was a stop and go that Allen had covered well. (He was with his man on the running plays, but they were going the other way and his man was just jogging out the route.) Not much to be gained by those plays since the defense looked to be playing a shell coverage, but it was nice to see him get out on the field.
I think it’s tough to tell how good any of these DBs are. They just don’t get the playing time for us to accurately gauge them. I do like what I’ve seen of Jenije. He got burned early on, but he seemed to learn from those things. Making a mistake is not bad. Not learning from the mistake is.
Agree
But, UM has more young DBs than we do. Brandon Harris and McGee can be starters for a while there. I
Some UM people don't know about McGee
This has been his first year playing corner. They aren’t sold on him yet to say the least. To me, it looks like he would be better with the ball in his hands. UM wants established corners, not recent converts.
Yea ..but I still think they have more young CBs coming back than we do.
And unlike our young CBs, theirs have seen plenty of PT. VanDyke, Grant, and Harris.
Maybe I’m just ttelling myself all of this so I can see Joyner at FSU.
If they commit early
Our momentum maybe bigger than when Nigel commited. There are a ton of excellent players in S.Fla for 2010.
You see the list I linked?
S. Fla is ridiculously loaded in 2010. If UM has a down season, watch out. We have good shots with a lot of kids too.
UM in 2009
@ Oklahoma
@ Florida State
@ North Carolin
@ Virginia Tech
far from gimmes
http://philsteele.com/NCAA20Schedules/Future20Schedules/accconf.html
Didn't find any youtube on Clements but here are some on
De’Joshua Johnson: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxKCyyX0Z6w</a>
Also, here is a South Florida top 65 list for 2010: http://www.soflafootball.com/homepage-hot-news/super-65-in-2010
Joyner and Clements are way too low, but a good list anyway.
FSU has a good shot at Gerald Christian, Calvin Smith, Joyner, Clements, Johnson, Fred Pickett, Richard Leonard
Yea I agree I put a top 10 list on last week's thread of our targets for 2010
As well as Brandon Willis.
My top 10 for 2010
1. Lemarcus Joyner CB—-easily, we have a great shot
2. Eduardo Clements RB—like him better than Lattimore, great shot
3. Brandon Willis DE—-beast, good shot
4. De’Joshua Johnson WR—-great shot
5. Christian Green Ath—-great shot, uncle EG Green
6. Marcus Lattimore
7. Calvin Smith DT—-maybe not known as well, but good shot
8. Gerald Christian TE/LB
9. Fred Pickett WR
10. Brent Benedict OL
Mine was very similar
My top 10 (Targets not rankings, doesnt include Darius Cummings alrdeay commited)
1. Lemarcus Joyner DB Miami,Fl
2. Brandon Willis DT Byrnes, SC
3. Eduardo Clements RB Miami,Fl
4. Marcus Lattimore RB Byrnes, SC
5. De’Joshua Johnson WR Pahokee, FL
6. Fred Pickett WR Belle Glade, Fl
7. Khiry McQuay CB Tampa, Fl
8. Gerald Christian TE Palm Beach Gardens, FL
9. Jared Haggins ATH Lakeland, Fl
10. Derek Owens CB Jacksonville ,Fl
Honorable Mention: Tiger Powell RB , Brandon Carr LB (Greg’s little brother), Corvin Lamb, Greg Hickman LB, Christian Green ATH
Yep
When I saw him play against Summerville last year on ESPN ( he was a sophmore) and he looked like the best player on the field IMO. Including AJ Green, Brandon Harris, Collier, etc.
AJ Green has proven since then that he is an absolute stud BTW.
Another thing that will help us with Clements is that
Miami has about 62 RB’s in the stable. James, Brown, Miller, and Gore. Clements wants to play early also.
Yea
But we will too. Not as many as them. but we will be stacked. I for one would want him to RS if he comes here.
Clement's gf may influence where he goes though
Here is what I have heard (I know people at Booker T, ex-players that played with Clements and teachers). Apparently Clements gf is a track star even went to the junior olympics and won some medals. She is getting recruited by everybody including FSU and Miami.
Hopefully that doesnt affect Clements I have always herad from my sources that he has been wanting to go to FSU as long as he is been playing football.
Pretty sure we had
But our Women Track & Field team does not compare to LSU, Texas or other elite ones yet. I’m pretty sure she is gonna go to UM though.
Dont really follow it as much as I would like
It interferes with my archery, women’s bowling, and polo FSU teams that I follow
By the way....
Back to the poll, there’s no way Miami is top 25. They were a bubble 25 team last week and got ass reamed by GT. I mean, ass reamed. It was uglier than our game, since at least our O was kind of keeping pace. That loss puts them at 7-4, with only 2 of those being against teams with a winning record. I just don’t think their resume merits a top 25 ranking.
Who do we add?
Some joke team from a mid-major conference? I saw ball state again last night. They aren’t on the same field with a Miami.
The fact is there aren’t many great teams this year.
Just curious
How do you guys find out who is recruiting what player? Scout.com? I just don’t know where to look regarding recruiting until that kid has already made a commitment.
Warchant has it.
Under the list of commitments if you click on page 2 it shows you who recruited the player.
I don't have a subscription to warchant and have been able to see the breakdowns...
if you can see the list of recruits UNF, just click the page 2 button…it should work.
Here they are...
Jacobbi McDaniel Jody Allen/Odell Haggins
Willie Downs Jimbo Fisher/Lawrence Dawsey
Demonte McAllister Lawrence Dawsey
Lonnie Pryor James Coley
Chris Thompson Jimbo Fisher/Jody Allen
Jajuan Harley Jimbo Fisher
Willie Haulstead N/A
Brandon Jenkins Jimbo Fisher
C.J. Mizell Dexter Carter
Rodney Smith James Coley
Ed Stinson Chuck Amato
Gerald Demps Dexter Carter
Henry Orelus James Coley
Justin Bright N/A
John Prior Rick Trickett
Xavier Rhodes James Coley
Bryan Stork James Coley
Dustin Hopkins James Coley
I thought they also had another feature.
where you could click on a specific coach and it would show you all the players he recruited even the ones that got away…..
You can do that from the page I mentioned above...it lists the players on the left and the coaches on the right
You can then click on the coach and get the list to which you refer.
They do, I just thought he was interested in who the coaches pulled in....
Here you can see who Jimbo Fisher has targeted, and there’s a drop down with the rest of the coaches. I am not sure if you need to be a member or not to be able to see it, though.
I think your hate of Utah is based on complete ignorance
So I am going to attempt to try and add some facts.
They are able to focus on their 1 game of the year against a big-6 conference team for several weeks. The BCS team views them as a schedule break. Letdown city.
First, this implies that Utah was more excited to play Michigan and Oregon State this year, than they were to play BYU and TCU. They were not. Conference rivalry games are just as important to teams like Utah as they are to teams like Florida State.
Second, it implies that Oregon State and Michigan were overlooking Utah because Utah is a non-BCS school. Utah played Michigan the first game of the season. No letdown there. The next week Michigan played Miami (OH) so they had no reason to overlook Utah. When Oregon State played Utah, Utah was ranked #15. Why you would believe that Oregon State would overlook a ranked opponent just because Utah is a non-BCS school is beyond me. OSU’s next game was not until 9 days later, when they were scheduled to play Washington State who is absolutely abysmal this year. OSU was not overlooking Utah.
Third, it implies that it is okay for teams from BCS conferences to have letdown games. Utah has no margin of error. They are not allowed a letdown game. One loss and they would have said good-bye to any BCS aspirations. If Alabama loses to Florida, Utah will be the only undefeated team in the BCS.
Additionally, their schedule strengths were incredibly inflated because they had all played each other, who were also ranked highly.
There is a reason BYU and TCU were highly ranked. The Mountain West Conference did a number on the Pac-10 this year. The MWC was 6-1 this year against the Pac-10. It was a drubbing that involved five different MWC teams beating six different Pac-10 teams:
UNLV beat Arizona St. 23-20
New Mexico beat Arizona 36-28
TCU beat Stanford 31-14
Utah beat Oregon State 31-28
BYU beat UCLA 59-0 (UCLA’s worst loss since the twenties).
BYU beat Washington 28-27
And yet you have four Pac-10 teams ranked ahead of Utah, but the Pac-10 is the conference with weaker teams resulting in “gimmies.” Overall, the MWC finished 15-9 vs. schools from BCS conferences.
Because the MWC is not the weak conference you assume it to be, victories over BYU (10-2, 6-2) and TCU (10-2, 7-1) cannot be so easily dismissed.
You argue that Utah would have four losses in any BCS conference. You have no facts supporting your complete dismissal of Utah’s schedule. Where is the proof? Because you watched a (unnamed) game involving some non-BCS schools?
Once you cease to rely on any facts, you can assert almost anything.
Utah's schedule strength 106th in the Nation
http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pkpk-Zkv_WsI4WkzBnfBKaw&gid=2
Am I reading that right?
Does that say that FSU has the #2 toughest schedule in the country? No way.
Yes, but only after you include UF
It;s based on the chance of going undefeated. ACC produces more NFL defensive players than any other conference, and it;s very tough to run that table.
Sometimes you need to consider talent.
Did you play ball? When you play for a big-boy school, you just don’t get up for those also-ran teams.
Utah lacks talent. I ranked them because of their win against Oregon State. I award them virtually no credit for beating TCU (destroyed in their game against a B12 foe), BYU, or Air Force.
I agree that the MWC did a number on the Pac10 this year.
You guys have a nice thing going up there. Personally, I would drop all of the BCS opponents, and just go undefeated every year! You’ll continue to fool the voters. South Carolina would shut out Utah.
You argue that Utah would have four losses in any BCS conference. You have no facts supporting your complete dismissal of Utah’s schedule. Where is the proof? Because you watched a (unnamed) game involving some non-BCS schools?
Attrition. Try playing something more difficult than the 106th toughest schedule in America. Tell me how that works.
Hopefully you’ll be this year’s Hawaii. I actually do not hate Utah, however.
Yes TCU was blown out by Oklahoma
But so was Texas Tech. (#6 in your ballot), and Cincinnati (#12 in your ballot). TCU’s defense held Oklahoma to their lowest output of the season.
That is one measure of S.O.S. I’m a bit skeptical of a system that ranks Notre Dame’s easy schedule as #40,Connecticut’s as #41, and Arizona’s as #68. This same system also says Ball State is better than Utah.
Sagarin ranks Utah’s as #74, which is comparable to Alabama at #65.
When you play for a big-boy school, you just don’t get up for those also-ran teams.
Be that as it may, Utah cannot afford to take a week off. That’s part of the point. Florida State gets 8 home games this year. Utah gets 6. There is no opportunity to take a week off. If Utah does, it will be punished severely. Meanwhile, the ACC champion will have at a minimum, three losses and may have four.
South Carolina would shut out Utah.
South Carolina couldn’t shut out UAB (3-8, 2-5) of C-USA. Utah would put points on South Carolina.
Hopefully you’ll be this year’s Hawaii.
I hope Utah will be this year’s Utah. It is a bit rich for a fan of an ACC team (1-9 all time in BCS games) to be making fun of Utah’s bowl chances (1-0 in BCS bowls.) Utah singlehandedly has as many BCS bowl wins as all of the ACC. If Utah goes to the Orange Bowl, I like their chances against the ACC champion. I’d rather go to the Sugar Bowl, though, and play a team that deserves to be in the BCS.
I dont want to get into a long discussion with a Utah fan
But I know you did not just compare our bowl record to yours. Since 2000 we had the worst stretch in our history since Bowden took over, meanwhile you guys had the best strecth in history. Yet he still managed to go to several BCS bowls and not miss a bowl during our slump, and you guys are talking trash after one BCS bowl win.
We may not deserve to make it to a BCS bowl this year, but if we do you would be exposed.
Another note the BCS has only been in existance for 10 years now.
But if you factor the years before that and count our Orange, Fiesta and Sugar bowl wins I would be willing to bet they are better than your record at the same bwols.
Finally one last thing
Do you honestly think that if Utah was in any of the Big 6 conferences they would be undefeated or even win the conference??? Honestly if you do …you have problems.
Take a minute to see the NFL talent Utah has put into the NFL
That could tell you the quality of player we are dealing with…
And before you attempt to make a comeback with Alex Smith is better than any FSU QB in the NFl
Brad Johnson won a Super Bowl.
He definitely did...
…I really enjoyed his posts, very thought out, convincing. Just saying…once the “history” was brought out, things got quiet.
I am continuing to read your posts.
I apologize for the low blow on the bowl record.
I am at the point now where I will have to agree to disagree with all y’all. I agree that FSU probably gets more talented players. But football is a team game, not an individual game.
Obviously, I do think Utah deserves a BCS bowl. After the game is over, win or lose, I promise to come back and either eat crow or bask in saying, “I told you so.”
BTW
I never said that Utah should not make it to a BCS bowl, it just happened that this year Michigan had a terrible year and that win doesnt look as good anymore. If you see my fanpost I would have you in the 16-team playoff. But I dont think you are one of the best 8 teams in the country as of this moment.
No you didn't say that.
But others on here did. I am making Utah’s case to multiple people at a time.
Rough Spreads:
Utah v.
UF -24
BAMA -14
CINCINATTI -3
FLORIDA STATE -4
VIRGINIA TECH -4
OKLAHOMA -20
TEXAS -17
TEXAS TECH -14.5
Those are off the top of my head. Still, Utah could win given the right matchup. Big upsets have occurred in the Sugar and Fiesta bowl.
I agree that UTah can’t take a week off from the standpoint that they would be heavily punished. I do think they could run their schedule, with the exception of Oregon State, however, by coasting. Any BCS caliber team should.
FSU actually got 7 home games this year and played 1 neutral site game. They also played games at Miami, at NC State (much improved since their QB returned from concussion: 14 TD, 1 int), and at Maryland.
I’m glad you brought up Sagarin. I respect Jeff, but he put James Madison in his top 25 this week. No system is perfect, obviously. I tend to favor FEI as it measures the chance a team would go through the schedule undefeated.
Again, if South Carolina played Utah in a bowl game, they would be disappointed, but if both teams played their best, I think South Carolina would win 20-0. Utah is slow and not talented. I do like Brian Johnson, though.
I believe Miami also won a BCS game, as did Virginia Tech, so taking a full accounting of current’ ACC team’s BCS records would tell a slightly different story.
NO ACC team deserves to make a BCS game this year. Notice that i do not rank them in my top 12. UTAH also does not deserve to make it to a BCS game.
A Couple of questions
First, thanks for posting that link to the recruiting. That helps a lot. Second, Had Demps seen his stock drop this year? I thought he was originally a 4 star recruit? They play some big time ball at Lowndes H.S though.
I would question if FSU really has the 2nd toughest sos. I guess I just don’t buy that. I do think that the ACC is underrated a bit this year because it is so competitive within the conference, but there is no elite team which hurts our national ‘standing’. Anyway.
Thanks,
Just thought he was higher for some reason.
Also, call me ignorant, but I only started paying attention daily to the details of FSU football (I have always been a pretty good fan, but not terribly in depth). Who is Stroud? His title is Assistant Coach? What does he actually do? Theres one guy you can say peace out to Bud and bring in a def. backs coach.
Stroud is the strength coach. We really can't have him gone. The former guy was pretty poor, with
Offensive linemen failing to bench 300LBS and such.
The reason we don’t have a DB’s coach is that our HC doesn’t coach a position, as seemingly all other HC’s do.
Stroud is worth it
Stroud has done a very nice job. You could say he was the reason we have won those games with solid late drives. We are still fresh, specifically at the line, late in the game while the other team is sucking wind.
Just a note, T-buck is an assitant strength and conditioning coach. I don’t know how much time he is able to spend with the DBs, but before his current position he was a GA with the defense working mostly with the secondary. It’ll be interesting to see if he and Stroud, who coached Dline at NCState under Amato, are promoted (?) to the defensive staff when Mickey leaves. (I believe Mickey is gone with Bobby or one or two years afterwards.)
That's good info. Stroud produced some very impressive DLinemen then...
Mario Williams
Tank
Manny Lawson
he was supposed to visit this week
But he is not coming, you can take him off the commitment list IMO. Which makes Vernon that much more important.
If he pulls it
Then he would be the MVP of recruiting for us this year. Even if Jimbo gets Starling.
Vernon would be a much more impressive pull than Starling.
Starling is in our backyard at a school that usually sends it’s players to FSU. Vernon is in the heart of enemy territory and is a committment to the Canes. If Coley can pull that off, he would easily be the MVP of recruiting for us this year.
Don't leave DC out of the discussion
RB is not really a position of need, but if DC can pull in Oku and/or Bostic he’d be sitting pretty from a percentage stand point. I don’t know the possibility of those guys, but they aren’t committed anywhere at this point so there is a chance.
Yes, he is.
David Oku is used to debunking rumors.
First there was the rumor that he was committed to Tennessee long before he made his announcement in mid-October. Now there’s a full-fledged report that Oku has de-committed from UT.
"No I didn’t," the 5-foot-10, 185-pound tailback from Carl Albert High School in Midwest City, Okla., said on Monday evening. "The people took it and ran with it. I’ve been dealing with it all day. I’m still committed."
http://www.govolsxtra.com/news/2008/nov/24/oku-denies-hes-de-committed-ut/
I don’t think he will end up at UT, but he is still committed.
NO Chuck does not need to get some 2010 players. Chuck needs to GO. Now.
Waste of space on our staff. (I hold back on MA and BB, but not CTC)
I meant it as if he doesnt
he is gone. Doubt they will let him go now. not that I dont want him to go, I just dont see it happening.
I see him good as gone. I plan to write articles about his non-recruiting as well.
He is a waste. His discipline does not help. Other coaches think he is a clown (literally). He doesn’t recruit well. The guys under his command (linebackers) have regressed. Bye Bye Chuck.
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Off Topic, but what are you going to do in the offseason? How frequent will posts be? Just wondering, and this is probably the best time to ask.
Probably one per day.
I try to do 2 per day now. Hopefully with the help of some of our newer writers, we will be able to keep the site going.
I will probably do some reviews with advanced statistical metrics, looks at other teams around the nation, examine individual units and players, discuss recruiting, etc.
Now, we will go hard at the basketball season and to an extent the baseball season. I think FSU basketball could use a more honest look than it is currently getting.
Big fan of the baseball team...
I’ll try to be around to give my uninformed take on them when that madness starts
Thanks pbysh.
I went for 5-6 games a year between ‘04-’07. I love baseball more than football, but didn’t always make it over. Being in Alabama now, it is hard to catch the games.
I'm sure
the fire Mike Martin crowd will be out in full force during baseball season. After every win. After every loss.
second that
it would be nice to have a national championship but baseball is truly an “any given day” sport.
Funny enough, he does his best jobs when he has to. When a team is held together by glue and spit, like 3 and 4 years ago, they overachieve. When we have a fairly solid team, 2 years ago, I think he over coaches. Either way I can’t ‘think of many coaches I’d rather have than 11. Loosing Chip upstairs is what’s hurt this team the most, IMO.
I think people who know the program well have a bigger problem with Shouppe as he will have a tendency to pigeon hole pitchers (everybody learns a curve).
Personally, I don’t have much of a problem with any of the coaching staff as we really don’t have any bad years. We just haven’t gotten hot at the right time, which I don’t think a coach really has much control over.
I've had a gripe with the overmanaging before as we broke out the bunt far too often in some years.
Thats great stuff, however, on the Shouppe tidbit. I had never heard that.
2010 DT Louis Nix commits to Miami
Not shocking at all. Probably top 5 in the state. The gators are going to make a strong push for him though. Still a long way to go till 2010 NSD.
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