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Can Florida State beat UF?

I sure hope so.  If we do, we could see something like this:

Florida Fan Gets Upset After Florida Loss (via DRS10538)

Florida is currently a 17 point favorite.  That makes the Noles roughly a 7-1 shot to win this ballgame.

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I decided to take a vegas style approach with this.  As most of you know, I've absolutely killed the lines this year.  Any of you lucky enough to live in a jurisdiction where wagering is legal and smart enough to follow have made a killing.  

I'm trying to go back and remember games in which a favorite of this size won... or came close.  Help me out if you remember any.

Troy almost beat LSU 2 weeks ago as a 16 point underdog.  

Tennessee lost to Wyoming as a 26 point favorite... at home

Missouri escaped Baylor with a 3 point win after being favored by 21

Auburn lost to Arkansas as a 17 point favorite

Michigan lost to Toledo as a 15 point favorite

Texas Tech went to overtime against Nebraska as a 21 point favorite

Nevada lost to New Mexico State as a 20 point favorite

Fresno State lost to Hawaii, at home, as a 21 point favorite

Bowling Green lost to Eastern Michigan as a 19 point favorite

Tulane lost to Army as a 17.5 point favorite

Toledo lost to Florida International as an 19 point favorite (Note: Toledo has been notorious for throwing games).

Florida lost to Ole Miss as a 23 point favorite

Southern Cal lost to Oregon State as a 24 point favorite.

2007:

USC lost to Stanford as a 40 point favorite

Michigan lost to Appalachian State as a 36 point favorite.

 

I think that's enough.  The point here is that upsets like this do happen.  I've yet to see a legitimate expert pick FSU to win.  To be honest, they shouldn't.  UF is the better team.  They have the trophy winner at QB.  So, does FSU have a shot to pull this off?  Surprisingly, yes.

There is an interesting gambling theory known as Double Digit Home Dogs (DDHD).  DDHD's cover really often, as high as 70% in some years.  Why?  They are often taken for granted.  The road favorite is almost always HOT.  The Gators are absolutely on fire.  Teams often read their own press clippings.  They see that FSU plays in the ACC, while they play in the mighty (allegedly, this year) SEC.  They will be overconfident.  DDRF's almost always are.   

So, is this line inflated?  Undoubtedly yes.  Why?  First, consider that UF has benefited from some insane mistakes by their opponents.  Now, credit UF for taking advantage of these, but if you watched these last few games, you saw their opponents playing dumb AND crazy football, UF taking the lead, and then snowballing.

Against Miami: 35 yard TD Drive, and a safety, both early.  Then 6 punts.  

Against Tennessee: 44 yard TD Drive, and 1 yard FG drive, both early.  Then, a punt return TD.

Against Ole Miss: ZERO scoring drives of fewer than 40 yards.  They made UF drive.

Against Arkansas: early 16 yard TD Drive

Against LSU: Pick-6

Against Kentucky: UF was up 14-0 after a 1-yard TD Drive, 3-yard TD drive.  they also had a Pick-6 after being up big.

Against UGA: 1-yard TD drive early, then a 25yd TD drive late and a 30 yard td drive late.

Against Vandy: 2 early short TD drives of 32 and 29 yards.

Against South Carolina: This was easily the best example of what I am talking about.  UF's first 3 drives: PICK-6 (7-0), 26 yd TD Drive (14-0), 5 yd TD drive (21-0).  After this point, SC's defense took crazy chances and gave up big yards, but up until this point, their defense looked decent while their offense and special teams took crazy chances, and lost.  

It sounds ridiculous to say this, but all the pick-6's and short fields aren't as repetable a skill as you might believe.  

UF is a lot like Mike Tyson.   Mike_20tyson_20pigeon_medium

via www.derok.net

 They want to knock you out early.  They jump on you and swing for the fences from the word go.  They make people get away from their game plans.  South Carolina was a team built on playing passable offense and great defense (they are really good on D).  Instead of doing that, they tried crazy passes and formations that they were clearly not comfortable in.  They had a huge special teams turnover as well, in the early going.  

But, do we know how Florida reacts when a team hits them in the mouth?  How does this team do against an Evander Holyfield-- someone who will make them fight all 12 rounds?  How does UF do in a tight game?  What if they don't get multiple opportunities in short fields in the early going.  Do they lose their cool and bite an ear off?  

Don't get me wrong, UF would have scored on long fields against many of those teams as well, had they not been given short fields.  They would not had as inflated totals, however.  How do I know?  Ole Miss forced UF to go on long marches.  Sometimes they succeeded, other times they did not.  

Now UF has to go on the road to face a much improved FSU team.  UF has played nobody on the road.  Tennessee and Arkansas aren't even bowl teams.  Vanderbilt is a joke as well.  Now they must go on the road into a very hostile environment, against a team that is extremely content sticking to their game plan of running the ball, playing great defense, and keeping reasonable field position.  

This is the largest line of the season for a ranked team going to face another ranked team.  This line is too high.  UF could easily cover this line, but 13, not 17, is much more reasonable.  The value is clearly in FSU+17, especially given UF's questionable road competition to date.  Now that I've talked myself into thinking FSU can win (not that we will win, but can), I'll work on how to do just that.

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I just don't see it

UF has a pretty good defense, I will grant you that part of this is because teams get behind early but they are still good, and I don’t know how well our offense will work. We are likely to loose a field position game unless we can get some TO’s, which would be lucky considering Tebow’s low INT rate in his career, or break some big plays, possible.

The main reason I don’t see us winning is Mickey’s defensive philosophy. Don’t get me wrong I think he’s a great coordinator, but he does not scheme well against misdirection (see GTech, UF, and previous Wake Forest teams) and we have Marcus White on the outside, who does not read plays all that well but is getting better. If UF is able to make some big plays on offense our offense will be forced to get more aggressive, which falls into the get ahead early game plan for UF.

I hope I’m wrong, but I just don’t see it. (Please let me be wrong…please.)

by evenflow58 on Nov 27, 2008 8:49 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Assuming we don't gift them points or field position...

I go back to thinking that how our offense performs against their defense will be pivotal. Their D has certainly been good, but it is not hard to be good when you can pin your ears because the other team is down by 21. I am confident that if we keep this game close and keep them unsettled, they will (in theory, of course) become unsettled and we’ll be able to take advantage of it.

by pbysh on Nov 27, 2008 11:04 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If we have a lead in the 4th quarter

we have a great chance to win. Has Timmy even had a come-from-behind victory yet?

by FSUStateOfMind on Nov 27, 2008 11:14 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well I watched them play LSU and they carved them up pretty good. I watched them play the Cluckers and they tore them a new one as I hoped and expected.

But, FSU has the speed to play with Florida, and its a rivalry. I think you’ll need a perfect game from your QBs to beat Florida right now, but it is possible, especially if you make Tebow throw to win. I’m not convinced of his ability to win games on his arm.

If its close, I think FSU will win it….otherwise you might furnish some ass like Georgia did.

Good luck.

(and the link on the left is incorrect, its http://clempsonfootball.blogspot.com/)

by DrB on Nov 27, 2008 11:37 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Video

hahahah Im still laughing at the video you posted. Too funny. I would love to see this guys reaction if the Noles grab victory this weekend.

by TurfToe on Nov 27, 2008 1:11 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Doak is not going to be a hostel environment. It’s going to be full of a lot of lizard fans. The student tickets didn’t even sell out.

by Jaguar on Nov 27, 2008 1:30 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It all depends on the running game eating up clock time, (that is the way Michigan beat them) and getting pressure on Tebow. If he has all day to throw he will have big yardage.

by DocHoliday2 on Nov 27, 2008 2:12 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not concerned about our Offense but our D's ability to choke out the Run...

We stop run and force them to through, and they will have big plays, but not sustained drives.

by truecolors on Nov 28, 2008 9:36 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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by DocHoliday2 on Nov 27, 2008 2:17 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Our defense

can’t expect just a passing or rushing game, because Florida (Tebow) can fo both. We have to keep an open mind and be ready for either on every play. We predict that and our chances are much better.

Well, I will appreciate for you to keep my zingers out of your mouth!

by BoSox415 on Nov 27, 2008 2:17 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Amen!!!

The one thing our D doesn’t do well is think…. sad but true….so take the think work out. crowd the line, kill the QB, and stuff the run.

IF we do this they WILL have multiple big plays, but not enough to beat us in and of themselves.

Question is what will Mickey choose to do.

by truecolors on Nov 28, 2008 9:38 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

NOTE:

when Rix fumbled against Miami in ’04 in overtime, i actually broke the hinge on my bedroom door by punching it.

by FSUncensored on Nov 27, 2008 4:21 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I was at a bar

or else I would have whipped my remote against the wall…

"Your eyes can decieve you. Don't trust them." Obi-Wan Kenobi, the first sabermetrician...

by Curtain Jerker on Nov 27, 2008 4:45 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't want to talk about that game.

Remember how “powerful” and “energized” our offense was supposed to be?

by FSUStateOfMind on Nov 27, 2008 4:48 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That reminds me...

I’m thankful for only a few things this year

1. Derrick Rose
2. Vince McMahon
3. That Jimbo Fisher is FAR better at his job than Jeff Bowden was at his job.

"Your eyes can decieve you. Don't trust them." Obi-Wan Kenobi, the first sabermetrician...

by Curtain Jerker on Nov 27, 2008 6:18 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If we are within one score at halftime, I think UF wilts

What has been the only game UF hasn’t had a team put away by halftime this year? Ole Miss. Michigan gave the game plan on how to beat UF. Line up and smack them in the mouth. The spread offense is no different from any other finess offense. When it meets a fast physical defense it goes haywire.

"I smoke. If this bothers anyone, I suggest you look around at the world in which we live and shut your mouth."-Bill Hicks

by FSBlueApocalypse on Nov 27, 2008 11:46 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Talking more about the defense and Tebow in general

If it’s going to be a muddy/rainy field, huge advantage. The Spread is at its heart a finess offense. Of course it relies on the corners sticking WRs at the line, stopping the run, etc but it can be done.

"I smoke. If this bothers anyone, I suggest you look around at the world in which we live and shut your mouth."-Bill Hicks

by FSBlueApocalypse on Nov 28, 2008 7:46 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

the goal to win

I think we need 3 things to have a chance to win this game. Here thay are.
1) we need UF to think they have the people to block EB one on one.
2) we need to have Graham Gano make anything kicked from 50yrds or less
3) If UF gets a pick we it has to be from a 3rd and long and down the field no Pick 6. (make it like a punt)
thats my thoughts to have a chance.

by Desman on Nov 29, 2008 7:35 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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