UF @ The Florida State Seminoles: The Preview (done)
Note: I'll finish this in the mid-morning. Didn't want to do it H-A.
Well, it's that time again. The team we hate the most comes to Tallahassee. It's our chance to ruin their dream season (well, I guess a dream season would involve going undefeated. Ole Miss ruined that chance). It's our chance to make John Mark Karr Urban Meyer make funny faces, whine, and cry.
Note: To my knowledge, Urban has never claimed responsibility for unsolved crimes in an attempt to get a free trip back to the United States. Still, the resemblance is striking...
Chantrant has an interview with a UF beat writer.
TV (3:30 Eastern) Your announcers are Nessler, Griese, and Danielson. Your sideline girl is Stacy Dales. Let the debate over her begin. Remember that she can dunk on you.
The ACC CHAMPIONSHIP
Florida State sits one win away from the ACC Championship game. Unfortunately, that win is Maryland beating BC. Vegas says BC is favored by 7. That's insane. BC has a freshman QB who looked horrible last week. Maryland has nothing to play for, but they had nothing to play for last year when they went into Raliegh to face an inspired Wolfpack team needing one win for a bowl,and stomped the Wolfpack 37-0, in their house. I think Maryland has a great shot to win this ballgame. They've played much better against zone heavy teams like BC, and have the beef to match up with BC's DTs. Their game is at 3:30. Go Terps!!
Okay, so, yeah, the Gators. They are insanely good, having dominated every opponent they've faced except one-- Ole Miss. Let's start with the Florida State offense and the Florida Defense. Florida's defense may be even better than their offense. It is absolutely the unit that is getting disrespected on the Gators. FEI ranks them 4th overall. They are top 10 in Phil Steele's opponent adjusted pass efficiency.
Florida plays a 4-3 front. They have 2 stud athletes (though not yet studs in production) at defensive end. Their defensive tackle play can be very suspect, especially with starting nose guard Lawrence Marsh questionable for this contest, and mullet-wearing backup Matt Patchan out. They have good linebackers in AJ Jones and Dustin Doe. MLB Brandon Spikes is probably the best linebacker in America (except that guy at USC). Their secondary is very young, but very talented, and they make plays. Florida plays a lot of man coverage, but it is such a loose man they it often resembles zone. They have their safety's sit in cover-2 shell or cover-2 robber. This looks to be a very well coached defense, but it is hard to tell since they are usually playing with such a huge lead that they could almost do anything and have success since the opposition is almost immediately in desperation mode.
That said, I think Florida State matches up decently well against this excellent defense.
In order to beat Florida, we will have to hold the ball for a long time. Florida's defense is a defense that likes to play with a lead. You're probably thinking "wait, all defenses like to play with a lead." This is true. Some defenses, however, want to play the pass and only the pass. Not only does UF want to play the pass, they are conditioned on the pass. They've played with such a huge lead that the majority of their experience against the run has come against the occasional draw.
Florida State is clearly a running football team. Few teams stick with the running game like FSU does. The key will be patience and dedication. Even if the Noles get down early, they need to stick with the running game. The obvious goal is to score. The second goal, in actuality, is to survive and run the clock. If the Noles are down, they need to keep running to keep the score respectable. If the Noles are up, they need to run the ball to keep the ball out of the Gator's hands. The Gator offense gets about the same number of yards per play, so the key is limiting their number of plays.
This Gator defense is very fast and they struggle with overpursuit just as our own defense does. Florida State should be able to run on this team. We will need a very big game from McMahon and Spurlock. The middle must be dominated, allowing for a blocker to get on Spikes. Spikes is not unblockable. This is where the rain comes in. If the field is soaked, cut blocking works to our advantage even more, as the defensive player struggles to maintain and reestablish footing after avoiding the cut. This isn't a game to worry about QB health. Expect to see a lot of running plays from a variety of formations. I think we spread out UF. I do not expect to see a bunch of I-Formation in this game. Ole Miss was able to run out of a spread formation.
Ole miss also used a lot of reverses and non-traditional plays. They ran out of the wild hog as well. D'Vo is our wild-hog and I expect to see him in this game. Our game plan will strongly resemble what we ran against Miami.
As for the throw game, it's a different story. The Gators are very good against the pass. They should be, as teams throw against them all the time as a result of being down. The Gator's usually don't blitz more than 5 men, which is pretty smart if you ask me. I've reminded everyone all year that our OLine is good at run blocking and bad at dropback pass blocking. If we have to get into an all-out throw mode, with no threat of play-action, we are done. It is that simple.
So, how to pass against UF? First, make then play the run. Heavy use of play action. Bubble screens out of the zone action concept. Jump balls against their very short DB's (nobody over 6 ft.) If Florida must respect the run, they can't just go full-out at the passer.
UF is in an interesting quandary with the bubble screens. We run them as well as anyone in the country-- except TTech (in another universe). You really need to play press to guard against the screens. Our guys have been decent getting off press coverage. Will UF press? I would if I were them, but we will see. If they do not press, expect to see them get hit early by the bubble screens. I worry, however, that they will try to pick off a bubble screen.
I am very worried about tipped passes in this game. Ponder is not all that tall, and sometimes uses too much knee bend when he throws. Florida is very good at tipping balls and intercepting them.
I think this offense is generally well coached. They must not lose their composure. There is something else they must do, however: GO FOR 4TH DOWN. Florida's special teams are so amazing, and their offense is so good, that they will probably score no matter where they take the ball. Smart teams understand the value of going for 4th down. Let's hope this is Jimbo and not Bobby's call. He's not in-tune enough to understand the concept. No field goal should be kicked unless it is 4th and 6+ from outside the 20 yard line. Gano is great, but we must shelve him for this game. The main goal is to keep the ball, grind the clock, and keep the Gator offense off the field.
FSU's FEI offense ranks 21st, Florida's defense ranks 4th. I expect FSU to run 70 plays, for 350 yards. Hopefully, this will be something along the lines of 50 runs (including sacks) for 200 yards and 20 passes for 150 yards. In that scenario, assuming we don't do mathematically unsound things like punting from the 50 with 4th and 3 to go, we should hold the ball for over 36 minutes. More likely, however, our scenario will be something like 38 runs (including sacks) for 145 yards and 32 passes for 210 yards, while holding the ball for less than 35 minutes. Florida State will not be smart enough to keep the ball (including 4th down), won't have the insane patience required, and will eventually get behind. The Noles offense will manage 24 points against an excellent gator defense. If the run game really works, or the offense gets short fields, I could see more points for the Noles. Don't call me a downer, I am trying to be realistic.
Special Teams.
Maybe I should have talked about this area first. The Noles have the best kicker in America, by far, in Graham Gano. The most reliable kicking Metric, STSE, ranks the Noles kicking unit 1st, and the Gators 34th.
In terms of blocking kicks (not punts), the Gators are 15th, and the Noles 46th. I am very worried about getting a kick blocked.
The absolutely huge advantage in this game, however, and how the Gators have just murdered people (not literally, though it could happen with the thugs Meyer has), is field position. This is measured by FPE
Let's see what our friends at Footballoutsiders.com have to say about this.
The FPE metric divides the cumulative field position score expectations of each team's drives over those of its opponents. Punt, kickoff, interception, and fumble returns for scores are also added into the cumulative FPE score expectation total though they are not, of course, part of an offensive drive. A long return to an opponent's five-yard line is valued at 5.471 score expectation points. If the same return makes it to the end zone, the FPE score value is, like any offensive touchdown, 6.958 points. FPE is a combination of offensive success moving the football, defensive success in killing drives, and special teams kick, punt and return execution -- all of the parts of the game not already accounted for in OE, DE and STSE.
Florida's command of FPE is devastating opponents. In addition to four non-garbage return score touchdowns, the Gators have started 28 possessions in opponent territory this season, reaching the end zone on 23 of those drives.
This is how UF is killing folks. Seriously. TWENTY THREE TD'S OFF OF DRIVES STARTING IN AN OPPONENT'S TERRITORY?
Part of that is skill, part of that is playing some really nervous, really incompetent teams in the swamp, and part of that is sheer luck.
The Gators are #1 in this category. The Noles are 88th.
Basically, this plays right into my question the other night: can the Gates play straight up football, without having a ton of short fields.
If there is a game for Jodey Allen to save his job, this is it. If there is a game for Jodey Allen to lose his job, this is it.
Our punt team must be better. We can't have a punt blocked, and the Gators have blocked several. We can't be kicking field goals. A kicked field goal is another opportunity for a long return on the ensuing kickoff.
I argued with UNFNole this week about kickoffs. I said that to play to win, you must have Gano kick deep, even if they are line drives. Our kickoff coverage seems to be better with Gano. He argued for a more conservative squibb kick approach. You can't afford to give the Gators 30 free yards. I'd rather alternate touchbacks and returns to the 45 than give them the ball on the 35 each time.
In any case, the Gators have a monster advantage on special teams and that is not likely something we can overcome this week.
Defensive Preview
I've thought about this matchup a lot. Florida has a really good offense. They are incredibly efficient. I am not going to talk about them a whole lot. Let's clear up some misconceptions about the Florida Offense
- Florida is a high-flying passing offense
False. Florida is a running team. Their entire offense is based off the run. They do not want to sit back and pass the football. Their passing game is very much predicated on the run game.
So, how do you beat this Gator Offense? You don't. You can slow it, some. You can hit them and force them into mistakes, some times. This attack will get their yards, however, so the MOST IMPORTANT THING YOU CAN DO IS LIMIT THEIR PLAYS. If they get 7 yards per play over 70 plays, they'll be at 490 yards. If you give them 60 plays, and keep them off the field, possibly make them lose their rhythm a bit, and give them only 6.5 yards per play, thats 390 yards.
Florida State has struggled against teams that demand disciplined, assignment football, usually in combination with misdirection. Florida does all that and they combine it with superbly coached world class athletes. Chuck Amato is a horrible coach and his complete failure at FSU should culminate in this game.
Enough with ripping Chuck and Jodey, for now, though. How do you slow this UF offense?
Sell out against the run at all costs
Assuming the Noles can control the ball on the offensive side, the Gator's offense could get a bit impatient. The Gators dropback passing game isn't good. There is a reason Tebow is not being seriously looked at as a first round NFL prospect. He's not a good drop-back passer. Their entire offense is run-based. FSU must sell out against the run game. This is what Ole Miss did, holding the Gators to 124 rushing yards in their own building. This is what Miami did, holding the Gators to only 89 rushing yards. Tennessee did it as well, "holding" uf to 147 on the ground.
Those 3 teams are the only 3 to hold the Gators under 5 TD's. In every other game, the Gator offense has rushed for 200 yards. Hmm, do these teams have anything in common?
Yes. Good front 7 play. Check out these tackle for loss numbers by Gator opponents!
Rank Name Gm Solo Ast Yds Total PG
1 Florida St. 11 77 36 424 95.0 8.64
2 Mississippi 11 67 50 334 92.0 8.36
27 Miami (Fla.) 11 57 32 304 73.0 6.64
30 Tennessee 11 63 18 262 72.0 6.55
35 Kentucky 11 53 34 285 70.0 6.36
51 Vanderbilt 11 53 24 275 65.0 5.91
57 Georgia 11 50 24 240 62.0 5.64
71 Arkansas 11 49 20 239 59.0 5.36
75 LSU 11 40 36 233 58.0 5.27
80 South Carolina 11 51 12 246 57.0 5.18
Hmm, could it be that the teams with the best tackle for loss numbers do well against this team?
You can't sit back in zone against this UF team. Our defensive scheme matches up well with their offense. You must aggressively attack their ground game. You have to get pressure in the backfield. UF is lethal on non-passing downs, due to the threat of PA.
I expect the Gators to use a lot of 2-back and TE sets. These guys are worried about getting Timmy hurt. They will use a lot of misdirection. We've struggled against this.
Miami and Tennessee attacked UF in a similar fashion. They blitzed the living S^%@ out of these guys. They blitzed from the outside, in hopes of being right and running into the run.
Ole Miss did something entirely different, spreading out their DLine and occasionally blitzing through the middle.
NOTE: These are run blitzes, not pass blitzes.
We need to use a combination of the two approaches. We will play a lot of cover 0 and cover 1. This is probably the first time I've argued for this approach all year. Go all out against the run. The keys will be solid tackling and good angles. The other key will be defensive tackle play. Our DT's are not good, but they aren't bad. This is really a key for both teams, but if either team controls the A Gaps on both sides of the ball, they should win. Our DT's guess a lot. We shouldn't make them play timid. Let them keep guessing and shooting gaps. It's the only way.
If you hit UF for tackles for loss, their run game loses some of its potency, and more importantly, the secondary no longer must respect play action.
Blitz UF's 5-wide look on 2nd/ 3rd and long; sit back against their TE 2RB look. UF has some hot reads in their offense, particularly when you blitz tebow in the face. That said, these guys take bigger splits than most. Evertte Brown should play on Tebows front side and we should blitz him from the back side. Tebow isn't special at reading coverages when he has to drop back and pass. He's great with reading single coverage off play-action. In long situations, force him to throw quickly and use your speed to make the tackle. I would for zone blitzes as well, bringing back visions of the Miami game.
Make UF hit the low% plays They'll score either way, but making them go the difficult route could be key here. What does this mean? High pressure, press coverage, selling out for the run, forcing UF to hit high-risk high- reward passes. This really plays into the idea of the limiting UF's touches by holding the ball on offense. If you make UF go for the tough plays, they might make some mistakes and might not get enough opportunities to hit them. NOTE: this is exactly what we did not do last year as we sat back and tried to play passively.
I think we have the personnel to match up with the Gators (as much as any team can). Ingram, Watson, and Verdell are all very quick and should help when facing this team. Ole Miss's DLine gave UF fits, and ours can as well.
In the end, I think UF gets 60 plays. They'll score 35 points as Meyer is smart and understands the value of going for 4th downs. FSU will not give them excessive short fields. My guess is that they get 34 runs (including sacks, if any) for 170 yards and 26 passes for 205 yards.
35-24 is my best guess. FSU can win this game if they catch a few breaks, be that hurting Tebow from a clean hit, or by forcing fumbles from the Gator players. What Mickey did last year will not work. Ironically, he needs to be hyper aggressive against their spread attack. That's exactly what he likes to do. In the end, though, UF has earned their spot as the best team in America. FSU is still digging itself out of the hole that Bobby created 7 years ago. It's a lot to for this team to beat UF.
GO NOLES!!!
GO TERPS!!!
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This game ends and begins at the two lines
If our D-line stuffs UF’s running game and makes them reliant on the Tebow/Harvin show advantage us. I would say that has a good chance of happening. The real “miracle” that needs to occur is our O-line vs UF’s defensive line. Simply put, if Ponder is running around for his life and Smith’s long of the day is 4 yards, we don’t have a shot in hell.
Head
UF 31
FSU 17
Heart
FSU 27
UF 23
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by Jonathan Loesche on Nov 28, 2008 7:58 AM EST reply actions
FU DL
Is banged up, missing 2 DT’s who have played numerous snaps. That will help us… how much we will have to wait and see. The only time I remember our OL being overwhelmed the entire game was BC, and FU sure doesn’t have that kind of DT duo.
Patchan is a non-factor, and Marsh might play.
I think it’s overstated a bit, but none of them are very good.
Great exhaustive breakdown.
I hope all of you had a good thanksgiving! I am a little behind on my TN reading. I really agree with you on some points. Their CB’s vs our big receivers is a huge advantage for us. They gave up almost 200 yards of receiving vs UGA’a big guy’s and UGA doesn’t have as many options at wide out as we do. I think we can really get them good here. If they are smart, they would throw in some zone coverages to give their cb’s help. If we RELY on quick hits and bubble screens we are going to loose. I think Jimbo is going to have to keep them guessing. We aren’t going to out-run their defense with Easterling and Parker. About the running game, I will be interested to see who we try to get on Spikes. We need to take him out of the game. He is going to get his tackles, but we need to keep him guessing and not allow him to be a key player.
Here’s what I think my conclusion is on the kicking game Bud…. If we use Esco, we need to kick it deep. If we use Gano, we should THROW in some squibs (maybe 50/50) depending on the score and how much our defense is on the field. Giving a tired defense a shorter field is more dangerous. I am just nervous abouIt our kick coverage, esp if Gano is not giving them time. I too am nervous about getting a kicked blocked. We haven’t been great at protecting Gano this year, and we almost gave one up to Maryland (who I don’t think is very good at this).
Also, a shameless plug for a good friend of mine….. check out his article (hes new to the Osceola) http://floridastate.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=882616.
I talked to Aronson some on Sat night at the game (he was enjoying talking to the fans while he and Gano were sitting under the heater). He seems like a fun guy, and he has done a pretty descent job (other than the Miami game) for us. He could be a key player in our punt game, esp if it is wet.
Yes, we must get good snaps.
I tend to not blame Zach as much for the Miami game. Bradham lined up incorrectly and the Punter needs to catch the ball.
There is something
to be said for being the longsnapper of a good punter. If Aronson doesn’t do his job, Gano can’t do his.
Should be an interesting student section
Considering alot of Gator fans are buying the unused student tickets. I put the over/under on 10 people getting arrested for being drunk a-holes and starting a fight
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by Jonathan Loesche on Nov 28, 2008 5:03 PM EST reply actions
I think you forgot to post the links....
to the if we win you get to watch this:….etc.
I am concerned about when they go 5 wide. You can’t strictly play pass here or Tebow will you with his legs, but I disagree, I dont think you can be super aggresive with the blitz. When they run spread they look for quick throwing lanes (Your right, they don’t want Tebow making reads, they want him to throw into windows). We need to figure out how to get into these. I think dropping an end occasionally on a zone blitz could work (though Mickey doesn’t run this much) and I think show blitz and dropping back could work. You obviously can’t ride these two defenses, but during key situations, it may help. You are exactly right about run blitzes though. We need to free EB and White in case it is a pass or outside run, but we also need to clog up the middle (esp with how many QB draws they run). Harvin can def be stopped (yes…STOPPED). Tebow can’t. We need to stop Harvin and SLOW Tebow.
I think we force Tebow to make a mistake or two, but not enough to win this football game. I think your prediction is unfortunatly pretty accurate. I said 38-24. In that ball park. I dont think it’s respectable enough to get momentum going into next year, but I do think we have a CHANCE at winning this game. Last year, we had none, this year we have….some.
“What are the chances of a girl like me and a guy like you getting together?”
“not good”
“not good as in 1 in a 100?”
“Not good as in 1 in a million”
“SO YOU’RE TELLING ME THERES A CHANCE?”
(Dumb and Dumber)
Like I've been saying, look at the Michigan and Georgia games last year
The moment Tebow gets popped in the mouth once, Superman gets his fix of kryptonite. It all depends on if we shut down their running game from everybody except Tebow and Harvin. I understand trying to stop those 2 is next to impossible, but if that’s their only options, as when they played Ole Miss, they are very average. A perfect scenario would be something like us taking our first drive for a TD followed by a UF turnover which we turn into a 14-0 lead and make Tebow air it out. I’ve yet to see him win a game against a good team with his arm and I doubt he ever will.
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by Jonathan Loesche on Nov 28, 2008 5:08 PM EST up reply actions
I think those are the 2 games you CANNOT look at, in my opinion.
Tebow was badly injured in those games, going into the games. It’s not a good representation of what he is. LSU, Auburn, and Ole Miss are. Also, Michigan did nothing to stop him.
The Michigan example is especially bad since their defense is much better now and Florida shredded Michigan even with a healthy Tebow.
Hitting him is crucial, to be sure. You are exactly right on that.
He can beat a team with his arm but we he’s much less effective.
Fair enough on Georgia
But the Michigan game, here’s his stat line, 17/33, 154 yards, 3 TDs. The TDs is abit misleading, cause other than that he was looking very average because Michigan was getting after him all day. Harvin was the MVP of the game for UF, not Tebow. UF was 2-11 on 3rd downs that game, and alot of those were bad throws by Tebow.
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by Jonathan Loesche on Nov 28, 2008 5:19 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, because he could not run...
Tebow was much more banged up than we knew. They also had an OT out with surgery. UM didn’t have to worry about Tebow’s running. We know this isn’t a dropback offense.
The key is to take away the PA threat through setting up 2nd and 3rd/ long.
Plus remember, Michigan turned the ball over 4 times giving UF short field and 3 easy TDs
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by Jonathan Loesche on Nov 28, 2008 5:22 PM EST up reply actions
All I know is that we played way passive last year and he picked us apart.
I like the d&D quote.
I say our chances are one in 5ish.
Also, the forecast is getting worse!
Worse as in how?
Worse as in it’s going to rain more or worse as it is going to rain less?
"Your eyes can decieve you. Don't trust them." Obi-Wan Kenobi, the first sabermetrician...
by Curtain Jerker on Nov 28, 2008 5:58 PM EST up reply actions
It will become a battle
of the run if it is raining too hard. I don’t like our odd’s on offense if they walk that 8th man into the box. I am concerned about how Ponder plays in this game in general, rain can only make it worse.
Gano better have superglue on his gloves.
He played well against Miami, making huge throws and plays all day.
I think it hurts UF in their misdirection and quickstop cuts.
Also, remember all the rain we had in training camp?
I don’t think the rain benefits either offense, but it might hurt UF’s more than ours.
Yeah
I guess my concern lies in his nerves. His worst game was against Boston College which was also his biggest game to date. When a quarterback gets nervous they tend to try to do everything a little quicker. The quicker you try to do everything the more you are opening up room for mistakes. Obviously the weather only enhances the opportunity for mistakes. Tebow has played in these big games and has a much cooler head because of that. I hear your point though! Miami is a big rival game, not to mention it was in Miami. He very well could have been just as jittery and still played well.
We do have a fairly good turf (as good as natural grass can be), however, it does stop a lot of the shake and bake type of stuff Harvin is so good at.
It will definitly make things more interesting. When was the last (good hard) rain game against UF? I can’t remember one, but then again, I could just have forgotten. Maybe TrueCubbie will have the answer to this.
Most important player this game that nobody talks about
Paul Griffin.
If he can beast it up with a middle push it can open up all types of blitzes and turnover opportunities. If we are relying completely on LB blitzes to get pressure up the guy, we will get burned early and often.
Plus
I think Urban knows that our DT’s are weak and he is going to run Tebow and/or Harvin up the gut until our LB’s need to cheat inside.
Very well could. We need to control the A-Gaps.
Griffin just isn’t good after the injury he had. Very bad year, considering his expectations.
Mincey has been coming on strong a big. My guess is we get trapped some and hit some penetration for TFL’s.
I think Mincey and Ingram
Should both line up on the DL and Zone Blitz into the Slant Gaps. Have our DB’s showing Man Press and Tebow will not have the Smarts to read this. I am PRAYING for some Zone Blitz this game.
Ingram lining up at DL and dropping back into zone….interesting. It may work once or twice, but he’d have to show enough ability to actually rush for it to be a viable tactic instead of a quirk.
Ingram
would blend in as a DE with his height.
Even if Tebow reads the drop Zone, Ingram will still be in position to track down a bubble screen or a a HB swing pass.
Actually....
In my opinion, I think Mickey learned his lesson from last year’s game. I think he blitzes up the gut or from Tebow’s strong side. Force him to move against the grain. Also, look for Brown to peel off the line and into coverage.
Basically, I think Mickey throws the kitchen sink at UF. I expect the defense to come out relaxed with no pressure on its shoulders. I expect tons of blitzing and hard hits. I really want to see the D get after Tebow. If the D gets some good hits, the crowd will feed off of it. That should energize the D.
Bring the pain!!! I want to see blitzes coming from the stands.
Totally agree.
We need to bring pressure all day. UF will destroy us if we play passive like we did last year. Make UF hit the difficult plays under pressure. They’ll hit some and miss some.
Also… The rain lets DB’s play with extreme aggressiveness, as PI flags are thrown less, the refs figuring the rain caused the slippage.
I think the UF offense....
will begin to get frustrated if they have to sustain long drives. Especially Harvin. He’s a player so he wants the ball in his hands all the time. The frustration could lead to lack of concentration (Turnovers???).
What’s your opinion on the Florida RBs?
by windycitynole on Nov 28, 2008 7:07 PM EST up reply actions
Demps, Rainey, Harvin
are all capable of breaking a big one though. Their longest runs are 62, 70, 80 respectively. I do think Smith and Thomas are just as good though and they are more ‘workhorse’ than are their 3
Quick question
What is y’all’s opinion on what type of D formation to show (and do) on UF’s 5 WR set?
I think Urban recognizes that his 3-5 WR’s are much better than our CB’s 3-5.
Do we line up in our 4-3 against a 5 wide set?
Hell no.
I’d play it with Nickel, using some combination of Ingram, Verdell, and Watson as the 2 LB’s.
Press coverage....
make Tebow throw deep and complete a low percentage deep ball.
by windycitynole on Nov 28, 2008 7:12 PM EST up reply actions
You think he's a window thrower?
I tend to think he reads man coverage and usually throws when the guy is already open or has solo. Hmm.
An NFL scout evaluated all the QBs that potentially would come out this year. They berated Tebow’s reliance (and this is a product more of Urban’s scheme, but one can’t discount an 890 SAT..) on his first read. His second read is to run. He’s got a preternatural ability to throw flukes up that land.
I wouldn’t classify him as a window thrower or a man coverage reader. He knows the design of the play and trusts in the offensive staff to call a play that enables a success of the first read. Zone is more effective at taking away the first read while staying disciplined, thus thats the defensive arch that I suggest we fall under.
Yes
Watch this video. He first looks to the open window to his right, then goes back to the open window to the left where he finds Harvin a yard behind his defender. (Given you can’t give him this much time)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-fERGyi4Os
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWij0BlWsD0 (throws to his only open window even though he is double covered)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWij0BlWsD0 (Watch the first minute of this. Watch how many times he is throwing into an open window at the line of scrimmage.)
Maybe I am over analyzing this, but getting into his throwing lanes looks like it just makes him look to his number 2 or 3 option. He shouldn’t have this much time against us (or we loose).
UNF...
The first video is a TD pass to harvin, deep, against single coverage. I tend to think of throwing into windows as what Spurrier did (throwing the ball before the guy breaks open, then he breaks under it).
The 2nd/3rd videos are the same video, and are of a pick-6 to Eric Berry…
I hope I don't sound TOO dumb
but what is a “window thrower?”
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by Curtain Jerker on Nov 28, 2008 7:30 PM EST up reply actions
An open window
is an opening of the field directly in front of the quarterbacks face (imagine a triangle from his eyes to the field. If an defender gets in that triangle it cuts off his window). Some quarterbacks have the tendency to see this and get rid of the ball. Maybe I am completly wrong about this, but I always thought he did this in h.s (and it got him into trouble in the hoover game) and he still does it. If you have a good reason otherwise, I am def. open to correction.
Oh,
you’re totally definiting it different than I am.
I define it as
what Spurrier did (throwing the ball before the guy breaks open, then he breaks under it). Throwing before he is open.
I don’t think a guy on a crossing route against man coverage qualifies, but that is just me.
Fair enough
I just think thats different than reading a zone and anticipating. It is really a conservative way to pass the ball because you aren’t taking the risk of throwing a finesse ball or a blind shot. You are taking what is available from the D-Line and LB’s. The reason why I posted that pick6 was because he threw into double coverage, only because that was his only open window. Do you still think I am wrong? I’m not much of an offensive guy, so maybe I am over-analyzing. I just think if you can cut off his windows (by blitzing or dropping off a DE) you really make him think and react (which I am arguing that he doesn’t do well).
I totally think you are right in the "what we need to do" thing
and I agree he is poor at moving through multiple reads.
The one problem with throwing into windows is that Press coverage can disrupt the timing. By your definition of window thrower, I agree that he is a wondow thrower.
I think by my definition of window thower, you may know it as ’throwing to spots."
Dunno
I may actually trust a 4-3 look with Verdell and Ingram as the OLBs more than our nickel corners. When they run 4-5 wide, I’d play an umbrella cover two relying on the recognition, athletisicm, and speed of those two former safeties to read the under routes. I’d sub out Nicholson for our best blitzing LB (I guess Bradham in this case? Maybe #41) I’d sub EB as a DT and put Mincey as the other. I’d instruct White and Moffett to crash out and EB to raise hell. The blitzing LB would hit the A gap that EB is on.
The corners would press but play cover two. UF doesn’t have a ton of variety in their 4-5 wide look. Its a combination of under rub routes, 12-15 yard digs and flies. Cover two with umbrellad Safety-LBs covers this.
But I’d blitz that 3rd LB almost every time.
We really, really, really need EB to continue playing out of his mind. He’s going pro and I think he leaves it all out.
I think the easiest way to tell if we will lose
Is if our LB’s are playing on their heels on the first UF drive of the game. They were against BC and I knew it wasn’t going to be the night I wanted.
With a slick, wet ball....
much more difficult.
Yikes...
Just saw the LSU/Ark highlights. LSU is now 7-5. I think the LSU’s defense is the problem.Not the offense. They sure miss Pelini.
Sorry if I got of the subject….
Jarrett Lee killed that team
he had some like 9 interceptions returned for a TD this season.
That being said,they miss both Steltz and Dorsey a lot.
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by Curtain Jerker on Nov 28, 2008 7:19 PM EST up reply actions
damn...
“something like 9 interceptions returned for a TD…” not “some”
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by Curtain Jerker on Nov 28, 2008 7:20 PM EST up reply actions
I agree
but having Lee certainly didn’t help. They missed Perriloux this season, but I can see why they cut him.
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by Curtain Jerker on Nov 28, 2008 7:25 PM EST up reply actions
Lee doesn’t deserve most of the blame that falls on him. He didn’t coach himself. He didn’t call 40 passes a game when the obvious strength of your OL, RBs, and inadequacies of your defense points you towards the run game. He didn’t insist on staying up in the box instead of coming down to the sideline to provide a calming influence to Qbs that were obviously lost, depressed, and abandoned.
LSU is missing Jimbo the qb coach much more than they’d like to admit.
Also, Mickey run’s circles around their CO-DC’s regarding scheme and coaching technique
I'm no expert on LSU
so I’ll defer to you for most of this…I agree with you about Charles Scott, he absolutly should have gotten more carries.
As for the rest, you make a good argument, and I love Jimbo, so I’ll buy what you’re selling.
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by Curtain Jerker on Nov 28, 2008 7:49 PM EST up reply actions
Oh by the way
Great job on the preview (as always). I have a quick question: Being an objective observer, do you see my Bears winning in Minnesota Sunday night?
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by Curtain Jerker on Nov 28, 2008 7:27 PM EST up reply actions
While we are discussing Arkansas/LSU
Bobby Petrino will have that team contending sooner rather than later. He may be a scumbag (he’s not the only one in his division…) but that Arkansas team will have 9+ wins two years from now.
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by Curtain Jerker on Nov 28, 2008 7:23 PM EST up reply actions
Houston Nutt....
received the better end of that deal. Ole Miss could make some noise next year. Plus, they are not doing bad this year. Hopefully, FSU can have as much success against UF as they did.
by windycitynole on Nov 28, 2008 7:29 PM EST up reply actions
From your mouth...
As far as Nutt is concerned, he only can take that program so far. There isn’t a lot of upward mobility in college football, so I don’t expect Ole Miss to be contending for SEC titles year in year out.
That being said, Nutt will average 7 or 8 wins a year, which is very respectable.
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by Curtain Jerker on Nov 28, 2008 7:32 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah
but sustained success is another thing entirely.
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by Curtain Jerker on Nov 28, 2008 7:45 PM EST up reply actions
Tough to fire him
one year removed from the 2007 campaign. He’s officially on the hot seat, however.
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by Curtain Jerker on Nov 28, 2008 7:46 PM EST up reply actions
Your right...
2-3 bowl games per decade is what they should expect.
I posted this way above, but
I think the easiest way to tell if we will lose
Is if our LB’s are playing on their heels on the first UF drive of the game. They were against BC and I knew it wasn’t going to be the night I wanted.
Good point....
I am looking forward to seeing where E. Brown will be lined up. I expect him to move around to exploit some Florida O-line weaknesses during the first couple of drives.
by windycitynole on Nov 28, 2008 7:42 PM EST up reply actions
Here's a question:
Would you guys rather have:
1. Maryland win and FSU lose (say by 14)?
2. Maryland lose and FSU win?
Me, I say option #2, but going to Tampa would sure make losing to the Gators feel better.
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A follow-up
FSU can only beat either Miami or Florida…which is it?
I take Miami, because my hatred of all things Hurricane far supercedes my hatred of all things Gator.
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by Curtain Jerker on Nov 28, 2008 7:56 PM EST up reply actions
I will take....
what is behind door number 2. Beating UF brings more joy to my heart. Plus, it brings more national recognition to to the program.
by windycitynole on Nov 28, 2008 7:59 PM EST up reply actions
Option 1
I bought 8 tickets to the ACC Championship game back in August and I don’t want to be standing outside RJS selling them for $5.
by TBfisherman on Nov 28, 2008 10:01 PM EST up reply actions
Good point
and with Va Tech-BC you’ll only get 30,000 people, so you might be lucky to get 5 bucks a ticket
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by Curtain Jerker on Nov 28, 2008 10:07 PM EST up reply actions
Alright
My Final Prediction is 30-20 UF. I dropped the score because of the weather predictions. I think Tebow has over 250 total offense. Harvin is slowed to about 100yrds total offense.
Ponder has about 180yrds passing (a good game for Carr and Surrency..if he doesn’t get the Braylon Drops), 60yrds rushing. Smith and Thomas will get over 150(combined).
I think UF gets two big special teams plays. One Block, One Return (inside the 15 if not TD). I think Garvin gets a big one (even though they are good at covering kicks)…but at LEAST one big play in the special teams)……
Unfourt. those punks will control the clock and keep our defense on the field which doesn’t bode well.
Hope I’m wrong. I will only be on tomorrow to make my pick 3. Go Noles and enjoy your Saturday. Looking forward to the post-game breakdowns!
This is one of Surrency's last chances to
make a huge play. If he gets his damn hands on the ball in the endzone he better catch it.
Antoine with a 60/40 split
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by Curtain Jerker on Nov 28, 2008 8:09 PM EST up reply actions
I love Antone and i know it is Senior Day..
but I would love for Jermaine to carry the load tomorrow
So I'm walking around the stadium tonight...
looking at all the statues and trying to get some pictures with my family. We get to the Bobby Bowden statue and Odell Haggins shouts out to us that we’re going to shake up the world. I didn’t recognize him at all until my brother pointed out that the guy standing next to him was Terrell Buckley. We sat and shot the breeze for a while and they seemed pretty confident that we will win tomorrow. This trip down here is already worth it just from meeting them, but I just figured I’d throw in that the coaches and “consultants” think we have a good shot.
I agree
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by Curtain Jerker on Nov 28, 2008 8:46 PM EST up reply actions
The aura of confidence permeates this entire team contrasts night and day with the last staff. Fisher has done wonders. Every interview is singularly concerned with our own execution, the things we can control. He has instilled his own confidence. “If we execute, there’s no one that can stop us” is echoed in every player interview.
That is a welcome change indeed
You can’t beat the other team if you think your’e going to get blown out before kickoff…
To use a wrestling analogy (and yes, I know the outcomes are scripted, but bear with me), the Undertaker has the ability to intimidate his opponents greatly, so they are defeated before the match even begins.
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by Curtain Jerker on Nov 28, 2008 9:01 PM EST up reply actions
This year
So far this year has been great. It started for me with DH from ESPN telling the world that FSU had the worst O-line in the country. Then eveyone thought FSU had no chance this year. Then something happened. Clemson lost, then Wisconsin and West Virginia. ECU came up and FSU started to play there games. FSU played 2 highschool games and lost a hard one to WF. People thought it was over for FSU after that but something happened. FSU beat 4 more teams. Wow now they were 6-1. No one in the world thought FSU would do this. No one thought they had the players. But from somewhere people found out that FSU can run the football with a few FR and So. The found out that they have 5 WR and 2 RB that can get into open space. FSU lost to GT and came back and beat clemson. FSU lost to BC is a hard game but came back to beat Maryland bad. At the beggening of the season who said FSU might have a chance to make it to the ACCCG or even the OB. Just about No one. But wait there were a few. There were a few Nole fans on a web site called Tomahawk Nation that stayed behind there team and tried to tell the world that they were wrong. That FSU is a better team that the last few years. That even though FSU is not back on top they will be soon. No the world thinks FSU has no chance again to upset Superman Tim Tebow and his Gators. Yes there is a small chance but a chance none the less. CAN WE DO IT!!! YES WE CAN!! If we can get a black man in the white house. FSU can beat the Gators and make it to the ACCAG and OB.
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