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Bowden brings program full circle as UF crushes Florida State

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I can't say I am surprised by the result.  There must be accountability at the top.  I didn't get much positive feedback when I called for Bowden to resign in September.  I wonder how those fans feel now.  Bowden continues to kill the program he built.  A football program is like a corporation.  You cannot have an incompetent running your organization.  There must be accountability.  I will not say that Bowden does nothing.  I will say that he does not do enough.  At this point he is a joke.  He has driven Florida State into the ground.  You don't let a great architect tear down a great building.  You don't let the patriarch of the family drive the family to church when he has lost touch with reality.  Bowden has continually damaged this program since 2001.  We will not compete on an elite level until he is gone.  

Unfortunately, Bowden will stay as long as he wants.  The administration is satisfied with building statues and paying homage to a coach who is fast slipping out of the conversation for the best of all time.  We're a haven for politicians.  We welcome has beens and washed up coaches with open arms.  It is a state-run charity, if you will.

So, while we pretend that Bowden isn't literally the worst coach in America (and it's debatable between him and Paterno), and wait for the day that he finally ceases to exist (whether at FSU or on earth, both seem equally likely), we can do something about the defensive staff.  

Florida State fans need to hope that this game will finally push someone to dismiss Mickey Andrews and his cohorts.  I explained why in this piece.  CaStauch went into detail here.  I'm working on a collection of quotes from players and coaches (including some of our own) that will drive the final nail in Andrews' coaching coffin.  

In some ways though, I hope Mickey gets a chance to coach this defense in 2009.  It should be ugly.  We lose a ton of talented players after this season.  Players who we have failed to develop but who have talent nonetheless.  The talent is running out on the defensive side.  This defense should have been one of the best in the nation.  It was not, instead giving up up 25 points per game against Division 1 teams.

I understand that UF is a very good team and their program is much better than ours.  They are better than us when we're both operating at peak capacity.  Unfortunately for us, we're far from capacity.

I'm done emotionally investing in Florida State until the change is made.  The site will stay, but the discussion will be different.

Post your reactions as always.  I'll feature the best.

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Just a warning

I think you are 100% correct on the defensive side of the ball, but you’re gonna get a lot of people who won’t agree today because the offense didn’t perform either.

Here’s my reaction: wow.

Wow, I didn’t realize how much better their recruiting had been than ours. Their guys were just better than ours at every position.

Wow, they develop players. At least two guys who our staff thought couldn’t play football absolutely owned us today.

Wow, our defense is going to be bad next year.

Wow, we sealed our fate with Branden Smith. Hopefully Rodney sticks with us.

Wow, Jarmon Fortson finally had a game for himself. Yes, he had a couple of drops, but I was pleasantly surprised with his performance today.

We frankly do not have the coaches (particularly on defense) or the players to compete with them in the next 2-3 years unless Meyer goes to Notre Dame or we make a staff change, recruit good players who want to play here, and develop our talent better.

by MattDNole on Nov 29, 2008 7:49 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

no one expected Branden Smith.

Does giving no offer to Janoris Jenkins piss you off as much as it pisses me off?

by FSUStateOfMind on Nov 29, 2008 8:02 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Good point.

But that’s the type of potential game-changer on defense that we have to have.

by MattDNole on Nov 29, 2008 8:17 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I agree.

But Jacobbi isn’t gonna cover anybody.

I think we have to have a good true CB in this class. We cannot wait on Joyner in 2010.

by MattDNole on Nov 29, 2008 8:28 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Mickey doesn't recruit his type of guys.

Lately I’ve been thinking Mickey has a soft spot in his heart for all those guys who are too short to ride the roller coasters.

Hopefully he, or a new defensive coaching staff, will get around to offering Hosley.

by MattDNole on Nov 29, 2008 8:36 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

new coaching staff please

maybe we can get on Jarvis Byrd too.

Am I the only one that hates short corners?

by FSUStateOfMind on Nov 29, 2008 9:52 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

As MattDNole said, you are 100% correct on all accounts.

However, I think one statement is totally wrong.

“They are better than us when we’re both operating at peak capacity.”

Does this imply that UF is better than us a peak capacity? If so, I disagree STRONGLY. We were at peak capacity in the 1990s. What was UF’s record against us then? I may have misunderstood the statement though.

On a side note, I wouldn’t change a thing about how you run the site. This is probably the best FSU site on the internet for objective analysis and talk.

by FSUStateOfMind on Nov 29, 2008 7:57 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

no edit button FTL

UF was at it’s peak in the 1990s too IYAM.

by FSUStateOfMind on Nov 29, 2008 7:58 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He's talking about as of right now

Since Meyer has been at UF, if both teams played their A games, UF would wax us like they did today

"I smoke. If this bothers anyone, I suggest you look around at the world in which we live and shut your mouth."-Bill Hicks

by FSBlueApocalypse on Nov 29, 2008 7:59 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Next year will be if they have Tebow.

Their team is much younger than ours.

If Bowden stays for 2009, I want his career capped by having 80 dropped on the program he helped tear down. It will be a fine lesson in hubris for all to see. Never place a man above a program.

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by FSUncensored on Nov 29, 2008 8:05 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't agree about FSU and UF at their peak but it's

UNBELIEVABLE that some of our fans on rivals still want Mickey and Bobby back next year.

I don’t know why my post from earlier is below me. It doesn’t make any sense.

by FSUStateOfMind on Nov 29, 2008 8:08 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Depends on which post you hit reply to

But yeah, Mickey really has been on the downhill for awhile now. This game and the GT game made me realize how undisciplined this defense is right now.

"I smoke. If this bothers anyone, I suggest you look around at the world in which we live and shut your mouth."-Bill Hicks

by FSBlueApocalypse on Nov 29, 2008 8:11 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

they'll be preseason number one next year

I think Tebow comes back, but Spikes and Harvin leave. I don’t know if they’ll be better than they are this year, but they’ll definitely have more than enough to lay a massive beating on Florida State in Gainesville next year. It will be very ugly.

by andy_wooster on Nov 29, 2008 8:29 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Brandon Spikes is amazing

both he and Harvin are long gone

"Your eyes can decieve you. Don't trust them." Obi-Wan Kenobi, the first sabermetrician...

by Curtain Jerker on Nov 29, 2008 10:12 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Very true

With Harvin gone, it’ll be interesting to see what happens with the offense. Tebow MIGHT go if they win the national championship just because he’ll have nothing left to do ya know?

"I smoke. If this bothers anyone, I suggest you look around at the world in which we live and shut your mouth."-Bill Hicks

by FSBlueApocalypse on Nov 29, 2008 10:16 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Agreed on departures

We will reload. We have some young talent like Demps & Rainey on offense and Stamper, Jenkins and Hayden on defense. Next year’s units will have new leaders, but will still be very talented. Not as talented as this year – as I believe this is our best team ever.

by skigator93 on Nov 30, 2008 2:07 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You can't replace or reload Tebow, but I'm sure you know that.

Of course there will be trials and tribulations. You’ll have to deal with complacency, guys wanting playing time, transferring, the resulting depth problems, etc. Also, it seems that behavior might become an issue, as Urban’s guys are close to catching Georgia in arrests.

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by FSUncensored on Nov 30, 2008 2:10 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You are right on Tebow

He is irreplaceable. But he is also not projected to be a big NFL Talent. I am hoping that he listens to the NFL projections and comes back! I know – wishful thinking and not likely.

I think Brantley will be good – but I am sure he’ll have plently of growing pains his first year as a starter.

I think this season will also help our future in the recruiting arena.

by skigator93 on Nov 30, 2008 9:53 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

3 things have caused FSU to fall from national power to middle of the pack ACC team

1. Jeff Bowden. I don’t care what anyone else says, the offense was set back for awhile because of that fiasco. The offensive line really impressed me today though, and as I’ve said, if EJ can come in and be effective, I think this team will begin to resemble those 90s teams again.

2. Recruiting and development: Agreed that we’ve had too many 4 and 5 star players on signing day turn out to be busts. And how many more 4 and 5 star players never end up even setting foot on campus because of academic issues? Seems like every year FSU loses at least 3-4 top players because of that.

3. Meyer, rise of USF, and Miami coming off probation: What was FSU’s peak? Mid to late 90s. Spurrier wasn’t near the recruiter that Meyer was, a USF football team was either a twinkle in an administrators eye or in D2, and Miami was about to get slapped with a near program destroying probation. We got all the top talent in the state, but now we’re lucky to get maybe 1 in 4 of the cream of Florida’s high school crop.

"I smoke. If this bothers anyone, I suggest you look around at the world in which we live and shut your mouth."-Bill Hicks

by FSBlueApocalypse on Nov 29, 2008 8:08 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think the million dollar question right now is, will ND offer Meyer an insane enough contract to lure him away from UF?

If the big wigs say to hell with standards and want ND to become relevant again in football, I could see it happening. As somebody else said, one of the reasons Meyer turned down ND is because he couldn’t get all the players he would have wanted, but if ND agrees to look the other way and offer a 5+ million dollar contract, I think Meyer wears Blue and Gold next year.

"I smoke. If this bothers anyone, I suggest you look around at the world in which we live and shut your mouth."-Bill Hicks

by FSBlueApocalypse on Nov 29, 2008 8:27 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If they want him they will

have to loosen the admissions standards.

by FSUStateOfMind on Nov 29, 2008 8:30 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I read that Meyer wanted 6 academic exceptions per year

They only gave Weis three. Notre Dame should breakdown and give Meyer the six that he wanted if football is important to them. He’s an infinitely better coach than Charlie.

by andy_wooster on Nov 29, 2008 8:32 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

that's what I read too

expect it was three kids no questions asked.

by FSUStateOfMind on Nov 29, 2008 9:53 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That's what I heard

I live in Chicago and read in in the Tribune the day after he took the UF job.

"Your eyes can decieve you. Don't trust them." Obi-Wan Kenobi, the first sabermetrician...

by Curtain Jerker on Nov 29, 2008 10:16 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That's what I meant by "looking the other way"

"I smoke. If this bothers anyone, I suggest you look around at the world in which we live and shut your mouth."-Bill Hicks

by FSBlueApocalypse on Nov 29, 2008 8:32 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Meyer isn't going anywhere

Why would he leave a premier program to rebuild a has been? ND already offered and he said no thank you. He has everything he needs in Gainesville. ND is a joke.

by skigator93 on Nov 30, 2008 2:10 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Notre Dame has 6 total yards after 6 possessions

Zero first downs. I wonder if this game could be the nail in the coffin for Weis?

by andy_wooster on Nov 29, 2008 9:13 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I read Weis' buyout isn't near what the media is making it out to be, especially if he gets his ass handed to him by USC

"I smoke. If this bothers anyone, I suggest you look around at the world in which we live and shut your mouth."-Bill Hicks

by FSBlueApocalypse on Nov 29, 2008 9:57 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Honestly, I don't see this situation going very well at all

I think this is going to be a very Rich Rodriguez esque deal with Notre Dame letting him go, and trying to go down a legal route to void parts of his contract. If for nothing else then to stock up on cash to make a potential run at Meyer or another big name coach,

"I smoke. If this bothers anyone, I suggest you look around at the world in which we live and shut your mouth."-Bill Hicks

by FSBlueApocalypse on Nov 29, 2008 10:11 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And you know we are going

to know every damn detail courtesy of ESPN.

by FSUStateOfMind on Nov 29, 2008 10:13 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I hope Urban Meyer stays at UF forever

When you are the biggest rival of the best team in the state, the SEC, and possibly the nation, a big recruiting draw is the shot to take them down. I hope he stays and keeps that program strong, it gives us a measuring stick.

Plus, I want to know what it is like to beat him (preferably multiple times) while he’s wearing blue and orange.

by Aussierat on Nov 30, 2008 8:37 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Lets all hope ND makes Urban an offer...

because I have to agree with everyone here. FSU is years away from competing with UF. I have to admit I still had faith in Mickey this year but the games against GT and BC started my doubts. Today just confirmed them, the defense has no discipline and it showed badly against GT’s triple option and UF’s version of the spread. FSU and UM both made their names known in the 80’s by making the wishbone and option look obsolete. Today Mickey was the one who looked obsolete.

by SFBayArea'Nole on Nov 29, 2008 8:33 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah, the moment I realized Amato was just nuts

Was when NC State played Ohio St in the Shoe one year, and he tried a QB sneak from the 7 yard line on 3rd down.

"I smoke. If this bothers anyone, I suggest you look around at the world in which we live and shut your mouth."-Bill Hicks

by FSBlueApocalypse on Nov 29, 2008 8:44 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

There will be a really long, detailed piece on the waste of space that is Chuck Amato.

I will write it well. It will make google news and will be picked up by most of the major blogs. It will get to the decision makers. With any luck, it will be the final nail in Amato’s career at FSU. Let me know if there is anything I should include.

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by FSUncensored on Nov 29, 2008 8:46 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Rivers last year, didn't Amato do something like gurantee NC State would win the national title

and proceed to lose to Duke their first game?

"I smoke. If this bothers anyone, I suggest you look around at the world in which we live and shut your mouth."-Bill Hicks

by FSBlueApocalypse on Nov 29, 2008 8:49 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

A few things.

Most of which you already knew.

-NC State was consistently the most penalized team in the ACC during his tenure.
-Highlight boneheaded decisions like the Nicholson punch (Players are coached for 100% aggressiveness and 0% thoughtfulness)
-His pretty well documented conflicts with Jimbo
-I’m pretty sure no other team offered him a job after his NC State firing
-No recruits this year… major coup last year was a 5 star linebacker he stole right out of Tallahassee Community College’s backyard

by MattDNole on Nov 29, 2008 8:51 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Question

Should Jody Allen even be included in your article? I have to believe it’s already a given that he is on the next bus out of Tallahassee.

by MattDNole on Nov 29, 2008 8:56 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Jodey Allen had never coached defensive ends before becoming FSU's defensive ends coach.

Check out how he is an offensive guy, coaching defensive ends.

Coaching Stops:
1983 — Marion Military Institute (offensive line)
1984-85 — Alabama (graduate assistant)
1986 — Alabama (receivers)
1987-89 — Ole Miss (receivers)
1990-91 — Ole Miss (running backs)
1992 — Arkansas State (receivers)
1993 — Arkansas State (offensive coordinator/quarterbacks)
1994 — B.C. Lions (CFL) (receivers/special teams coordinator)
1995 — Shreveport Pirates (CFL) (receivers/special teams coordinator)
1997 — Murray State (receivers)
1998 — Griffin (GA) High School (offensive coordinator)
1999 — Valdosta State (receivers)
2000-01 - Florida State (graduate assistant)
2002 — Florida State (defensive ends)

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by FSUncensored on Nov 29, 2008 9:00 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I know.

I was just wondering if you should throw some words about him in there so when the article hits the world, he would be pointed out too.

My question was basically whether or not it’d be worth the space, because I think he might be gone anyway.

by MattDNole on Nov 29, 2008 9:03 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ok.....

but what the CRAP WAS HE DOING FAKING THE FG? It put us 3 scores down instead of 2…… That was a terrible call from 30 yard (where Gano got the ball).He is a terrible special teams coordinator and has only been bailed out by how good Garvin and Gano have been. FSU has been a TERRIBLE coverage team this year, and that is on his shoulders. While we are talking about the DC and the Head Coach being fired, get rid of Allen. Terrible Terrible Terrible decision.

by UNFNOLE on Nov 29, 2008 9:04 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Does make a difference

What sort of a call was that? Even if Florida is caught off guard by the fake, Gano can’t out run the Gators special team unit for 30 yards. They are the fastest team in the country. It was a HORRENDOUS call.

by zest on Nov 29, 2008 9:06 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It was a pass.

Gano wasn’t going to run it 30 yards. He was gonna throw it.

Except that Florida had the receiver covered as well.

by MattDNole on Nov 29, 2008 9:07 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I wish

We would have just played Gano at QB in the second half.

by zest on Nov 29, 2008 9:09 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

4th down

There was a play in the second quarter today of a 4th and 5 from about the 36 yard line. I said to the group I was watching with, “If we go for the field goal here we deserve to lose.”

We didn’t go for the field goal.

We punted.

by MattDNole on Nov 29, 2008 9:11 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That summarized the whole game

I thought, “No way we punt. We are big time underdogs to a rival we haven’t beat since 2003.”

:(

by FSUStateOfMind on Nov 29, 2008 10:10 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I was watching the game

with a big Oregon fan (who is thrilled they’re pounding OSU) and he told me “If you punt here this game is over.” I didn’t believe him, but I should have.

"Your eyes can decieve you. Don't trust them." Obi-Wan Kenobi, the first sabermetrician...

by Curtain Jerker on Nov 29, 2008 10:22 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Fake

I liked the call. From my spot in the stands, it looked like he had 2 open recievers. I guess it would have been better to run a play from our offensive set, but that obviously wasn’t working out too well. Who cares if we got 3 there. (7+7+7+7)>(3+3+3+3). I agree that it was stupid to punt. Who cares if they drive 60 or 80 yards if it results in a TD either way.

by TBfisherman on Nov 29, 2008 9:14 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The fact the Rivers made him?

Seriously

"Your eyes can decieve you. Don't trust them." Obi-Wan Kenobi, the first sabermetrician...

by Curtain Jerker on Nov 29, 2008 10:18 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

funny thing is Bobby keeps preaching assignment football against the spread and option but the 'noles D can execute!

thanks for the welcome FSUncensored! Guess I’m lucky to have moved out to the West Coast after graduation I only know one Gator fan who might try and rub this one in.

by SFBayArea'Nole on Nov 29, 2008 8:50 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The only thing more certain than our loss Saturday

… was that someone would throw Bobby under the bus as the source of all ills. He’s part of the problem, but this post was kinda pathetic. Don’t take the loss so hard.

by hopnole23 on Nov 29, 2008 8:59 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Is it his responsibility to evaluate those under him?

Did he say that he would step down when he was no longer elite or when the program faltered?

Has he done either?

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by FSUncensored on Nov 29, 2008 9:01 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

When exactly

is it okay to question whether or not Bowden should still be employed by this university? FSUncensored isn’t throwing him under the bus. He’s simply analyzing he facts.

by CowBellNole on Nov 29, 2008 9:04 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Oh, it's OK to question that, no doubt

I used to blame losses on BB when Jeff was there because it was Bobby who was keeping him there. That was when I wanted BB gone. But with Jeff gone, Bobby just doesn’t do anything anymore, not enough to warrant much ire. Whether he was there tonight or in any game this season, the results would have been the same. But since FSU hired new coaches, I see the tide of the program turning back to the good. This season and the struggles are just a result of the bad decision making in the past (that falls on Bobby), not the present or recent past, which is what I am concerned with. To me, “BB must go” is just a tired argument. He can go, he can stay, it doesn’t matter now to me, Bobby’s not holding us back, this is Jimbo’s team, BB’s just along for the ride.

What really rankled me is “I’m done emotionally investing in Florida State until the change is made.” I mean, get real, that’s how fair weather fans talk. I’ll just assume this is a mix of anger, hyperbole and the miserable weather at the game tonight.

Go Noles

by hopnole23 on Nov 29, 2008 9:40 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I agree that Bowden should retire

I disagree with Mickey being fired, but I have argued that enough and am tired of it. Heres my question….what the heck was Jimbo doing putting Weatherford in??? What does he offer that Ponder doesn’t? Not only are we surrendering at that point we are killing valuable experience for Ponder and crushing his confidence. We BETTER not see Weatherford start the Bowl Game.

by UNFNOLE on Nov 29, 2008 9:02 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ponder was hurt.

Weatherford is Ponder’s backup.

D’Vo has always been a change-up guy.

by MattDNole on Nov 29, 2008 9:04 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ehhhhh

I dont buy it is that bad. I don’t think Ponder would have taken himself out of the game, and he still offered more than Drew.

by UNFNOLE on Nov 29, 2008 9:06 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Apparently his back.

Read the headline of the game blog story.

by MattDNole on Nov 29, 2008 9:05 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I have to think he didn't want Ponder getting killed, with the preexisting injury.

I’ll be shocked if Drew starts the bowl game. Do we even know if that was a Jimbo or Bobby call.

Now… did they discuss this before the game? My guess is that they agreed Drew would play if we were getting destroyed.

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by FSUncensored on Nov 29, 2008 9:05 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

3 scores down.....

I just can’t STAND Weatherford and tonight was a great reminder of why.

by UNFNOLE on Nov 29, 2008 9:08 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Depends on who you ask. Bowden still calls some shots.

The main problem is that we have a huge hole in our coaching staff. That hole exists at the most important position. Coaches are a finite resource. You are only allowed so many. Bobby Bowden doesn’t coach a position like other head coaches, and that forces Mickey to coach DB’s and also be the defensive coordinator.

Let’s be realistic for a second. You can’t expect a staff of this age to put in the hours that a younger staff tallies. They aren’t hungy to pick up new ideas. They aren’t on the way up.

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by FSUncensored on Nov 29, 2008 9:15 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I do think saying you aren't going

to emotionally invest until there is serious change is silly. Thats what fans do. They emotionally invest regardless of the situation. I will ride it out through the good and bad and thats what makes a real fan.

by UNFNOLE on Nov 29, 2008 9:12 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Fair Enough

I just hate when people abandon ship because they are tired of being ‘let-down.’ First off, unless you are a cubs fan, you can’t complain too much. Second of all, its football. Every time there is a tragedy (9/11, VT i.e) we always say how it puts football in it’s proper perspective. Then we loose that perspective a month later. It’s football. Yes we invest emotionally, financially, and socially but in the end, it’s football. Terrible Terrible loss tonight and we got beat in every aspect of the game (other than our kick returning thanks to them kicking out of bounds). We just got our butts whooped. I am insanely upset and mad and wanting to punch something…..but in the end, it’s football.

Go Noles!
I am out for the night. Ya’ll have a good rest of the weekend. Maybe Gene can enjoy a Bucs Championship this year.

by UNFNOLE on Nov 29, 2008 9:20 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I am not that disappointed.

GT and BC was upsetting. This was expected. As a fan you always have to cling to hope. You never know who we are going to pick up his year and what it will mean in two years. Never give up on next season.

by TBfisherman on Nov 29, 2008 9:23 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I couldn't sleep after BC.

That was the first time I had been confident in a Noles in a long time.

by FSUStateOfMind on Nov 29, 2008 10:00 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sooo...

The basketball team is 6-0.

by TBfisherman on Nov 29, 2008 9:20 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Get ready...

to fall asleep. These late starts are killer. It’s not bad for college kids, but my 2-year old doesn’t make sleeping in an option. I didn’t even make it through the first quarter last night.

by TBfisherman on Nov 29, 2008 9:26 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

still

That’s a ton. IF you don’t see me on Tomahawknation for the next 3 weeks it’s because you’ve guilted me into studying more. That’s probably a good thing.

by andy_wooster on Nov 29, 2008 10:32 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ok... offer some solutions.

Let’s assume there are coaching changes.

Who should go, and who should be brought in to replace them?

I say Allen and Amato are definitely gone.

I’m still partial to Mike London from Richmond, but he won’t come here just to be another assistant.

Ummm… Earl Lane from LSU and I haven’t found an LB candidate yet.

Probably a long shot either way.

by MattDNole on Nov 29, 2008 9:25 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Another thought.

Were Mickey to retire or be let go somehow, I personally would prefer the new DC to be a linebacker coach (just my preference). I’d see if we could bring in Larry Slade from UT as DB coach under that new coordinator.

Ok… now my wish list is really getting unrealistic. Next I’ll say I want Bellicheck and Parcells to coach the defensive tackles.

by MattDNole on Nov 29, 2008 9:35 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nooooo to Larry Slade.

I live close to Knoxville and besides Eric Berry (once in a lifetime talent) the Tennessee DB’s have underachieved big time.

by FSUStateOfMind on Nov 29, 2008 10:03 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't really follow coaches...

are there any more guys we could steal from USF? I know Ben Moffett and George Selvie have been good the last couple of years, but I don’t know if the has to do with the coaches. It seams like they would be easy to plug in for recruiting purposes and we could keep a guy in the position that he has been coaching because FSU would be a promotion by itself. This theory would also apply to FIU and FAU. Troy St. has also been up and coming the last few years.

by TBfisherman on Nov 29, 2008 9:40 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

USF

Their DC/LB coach used to coach here, but I think he’s a little old for what we are looking at.

Lane used to coach at USF and was there at the same time as Lawrence Dawsey.

by MattDNole on Nov 29, 2008 9:43 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That's the rub

What is the alternative to these situations. Is Fisher ready to step in and be the HC. There is a lot of responsibility in that position off the field. Much more than he has as an OC. I think he’s ready for that, but until you put him into the fire you won’t know. Another year of being OC/assistant HC could go a long way, plus his offense should be up and running with either a 2nd year or first year QB (the key is the OLine though).

Who do you get that is better than Mickey. I would say Mickey is a good DC and does latch onto new ideas (I felt he had some very good game plans for CU and UMd in particular). The kind of defense he teaches is susceptible to misdirection. After all, how much misdirection have we faced in the last 5 years. He tries to recruit good athletes and gives them the ability to make plays by loosening assignments. The college landscape has changed, it’s just the ACC has been a bit slow to accept is (how many ACC teams run the spread?). I don’t think we will ever beat UF or GTech with Mickey as the DC, but I also don’t expect him to stay after this year or the next (He contemplated retirement before this year).

I would expect most all the defensive coaches to leave when Mickey does with the exception of Hagans. I wouldn’t mind seeing Buckley get a shot at being the DB coach and wouldn’t be shocked to see Stroud move to DLine (but I hope he would stay at S&C), but you’d have to put some veteran coaches around them. However, I would like to give Ken Norton (USC LB coach) an interview for the DC position when Mickey retires.

by evenflow58 on Dec 1, 2008 10:11 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If we had the chance, would you guys trade Jimbo to get Kiffon as a head coach?

I say no because it would take a lot to put in a new system and there is no guarantee he doesn’t go back to the NFL.

by TBfisherman on Nov 29, 2008 9:47 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Agree 100%

I think Kiffin will be OK at Tennessee, especially with Ogeron recruiting, as they need to restock the cubboard, but I don’t think he’ll be as special as Kelly.

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by Curtain Jerker on Nov 29, 2008 10:30 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Keep in mind

that “sources” say that Lane will have his dad as DC. I don’t think Orgeron is coming though. Tennessee needs talent in the biggest way. They aren’t as talented as people say they are.

by FSUStateOfMind on Nov 29, 2008 10:33 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

How much do you really know about Kiffen as a coach? He was co-OC at USC (and from what I heard not very well liked by his players) and the Oakland debacle neither made him look good or bad. Fisher has been a good OC at a few different schools and won while doing it. He’s also improved this offense, although it would be tough not to, improved recruiting, and lured a nice looking future OC.

I stick with Fisher in this case.

by evenflow58 on Dec 1, 2008 9:58 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Brian Kelly to ND

maybe if this beatdown gets worse.

by FSUStateOfMind on Nov 29, 2008 10:07 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He had a big window to score.

No way Cunningham would have tackled Bert.

by FSUStateOfMind on Nov 29, 2008 10:11 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I hated that call

The WRs have constantly slipped on any sort of wet surface when running the reverse. The cut they need to make to get away from the DE is just not feasible in that condition. It’s a gutsy call, no doubt, but I felt it was an unneccesary risk.

by evenflow58 on Dec 1, 2008 10:13 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That is what Jimbo is.

Not the greatest playcaller, not even close. Good QB coach and like you said “program builder.” Jimbo is just what we need.

by FSUStateOfMind on Nov 29, 2008 10:30 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I find him to be a very good play caller. You’re not going to agree with every play that an OC or DC calls, but Fisher does a nice job of setting up one play with another. He also understands the concept of a bread and butter play, which I find an amazingly amount of OCs don’t seem to subscribe to. He is also not afraid to make adjustments in the middle of a quarter and not at the half.

by evenflow58 on Dec 1, 2008 10:16 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I guess I mean to say that he's not widely regarded as an offensive genius.

I’m obviously thrilled with Jimbo so far, for the most part. My only gripe is incomplete— I want to see better passing concepts once we have an OLine that the QB trusts. Christian must begin to trust the OLine.

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by FSUncensored on Dec 1, 2008 12:11 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

JUCO players this year

Corey Surrency—-can’t catch a damn ball to save his life
Markus White—-still has another year, but didn’t do anything
Paul Griffin—-all I remember of him was a personal foul vs Miami a couple of years ago.

I still have some faith in White as he seems to have some talent.

by FSUStateOfMind on Nov 29, 2008 10:26 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Who has a longer road to respectability?

Florida State or Notre Dame?

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by Curtain Jerker on Nov 29, 2008 10:32 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

IF Notre Dame drops the pretense of being better than everybody and does away with the excessive academic requirements

The Irish in a heartbeat

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by FSBlueApocalypse on Nov 29, 2008 10:34 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Damn hitting post too early

If they don’t get any better, then they’re at the whim of NBC from having to go to the Big 10

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by FSBlueApocalypse on Nov 29, 2008 10:35 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

never told you

but I like your handle (big Tool fan) as well as your signature.

by andy_wooster on Nov 29, 2008 10:37 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't think they will

As I said earlier, they chose to be an excellent academic institution over a top-flight football program. That was the right choice, but as long as they have those admission standards they’ll be middle of the road.

For more info see: http://vault.sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1019088/1/index.htm

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by Curtain Jerker on Nov 29, 2008 10:38 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah, I understand that. But $$ makes the world go round

and if big time Boosters go were tired of losing by 40 every time we go into the Coliseum, say here’s the cash to buy out Weis and offer Big Name Coach X an absurd amount of cash, I think ND will eventually give in

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by FSBlueApocalypse on Nov 29, 2008 10:44 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The article says this better than I will

but it won’t matter who the coach is, as long as the kids can’t through the doors.

Notre Dame could have had Carson Palmer throwing to David Terrell, but admissions said no.

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by Curtain Jerker on Nov 29, 2008 10:45 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Oh yeah, I completely understand what the article and you are saying

But ND has become a national laughing stock in terms of being competitive on the national scene. At some point you have to think the major boosters contributing millions of dollars a year are going to say enough is enough, either drop the idea we’re on the level of USC/Texax/UF etc or let us play by the same rules.

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by FSBlueApocalypse on Nov 29, 2008 10:48 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Exactly

They need to join the Big Ten. Everyone wins. ND gets to beat up on the Minnesotas and Northwesterns and Indianas of the world, and the Big Ten gets the twelve teams it needs to get a conference title game, which is a big money maker when the teams participating aren’t Virginia Tech and Boston College.

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by Curtain Jerker on Nov 29, 2008 10:50 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ND

Once Bowden goes and takes the defensive staff with him, we will be home free. What about FSU or Miami?

by FSUStateOfMind on Nov 29, 2008 10:35 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Tougher

I’ll say Miami, just because they still have a stranglehold on that area in terms of recruiting

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by Curtain Jerker on Nov 29, 2008 10:39 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I say we're closer than Miami

1) We have more resources. We don’t have Florida or Texas money (who does really?), but we do have some money. Of course, this leads to another issue. One of Bobby’s strengths has been fundraising. Well, we still don’t have the capital to build the new practice facility, and this was an issue before the economy went in the tank. Miami had to hire Shannon because they just didn’t have the money to get a proven name. Same thing with Patrick Nix.

2) We have more room to grow. Our biggest problems come from our own stupidity (keeping dead weight on the coaching staff). Miami’s problems are inherent in their program.

3) Miami’s biggest advantage is South Florida talent. Well, our prime recruiting territories aren’t exactly hurting. We’ve just go to get better at talent/character evaluation. Janoris Jenkins makes me want to get a dog just so that I have something I can kick.

by FSUGrad99 on Nov 29, 2008 10:46 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

At the beginning of the year I would have said Miami as they had already moved on

But now I think FSU is. I think sadly Shannon is going to be another Ron Zook, in that he’s going to stockpile talent for somebody else to make a national title run.

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by FSBlueApocalypse on Nov 29, 2008 10:53 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Why?

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by Curtain Jerker on Nov 30, 2008 12:26 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It's probably just me but

it feels different when FSU is good and Miami isn’t. Plus, a big FSU-Miami is HUGE publicity.

by FSUStateOfMind on Nov 30, 2008 1:07 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I've been sitting here reading the blog for the past couple hours...

.. I’ve been trying to compile my thoughts and can’t think of anything enriching to say. I can only say that I was embarrased to cheer for us tonight…in our own stadium. Something is wrong when it gets to that point.

Was Stacey Dales really on the sidelines tonight? I looked for her all night and only found P Dub. Never thought it’d be a let down when I saw him on the sideline.

by Weasie on Nov 29, 2008 10:40 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Weasie, we're all feeling that right now. Remember these few things
  • This team did improve a lot this year
  • There have been important coaching changes
  • We have only one more year of this , at the absolute maximum. There’s a really high chance that Bobby doesn’t LIVE through the offseason. Once you’re past 73 as an American male, you’re on borrowed time.

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by FSUncensored on Nov 29, 2008 10:42 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I hope Bowden retires this year

I don’t want potentially his final game ever on the sidelines to be a bloodbath at Ben-Hill Griffin Stadium. He deserves better than that.

Bobby, time to call it a career.

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by Curtain Jerker on Nov 29, 2008 10:44 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If we lose our bowl game

how much did we improve. You may think otherwise but I see no difference between 7-6 and 8-5.

I hear you uncensored. I get that everyone feels this way. I just had nothing to contribute, but wanted to say something. Sometimes I feel like I love this team more than life and when I go to a game and get embarrased by our rival, it hurts more than losing to Wake.

by Weasie on Nov 29, 2008 10:49 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Also
  • We know this loss was terrible from a schematic standpoint, but it doesn’t look horrible to the rest of the nation because they’ve done this to everyone— sav UF

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by FSUncensored on Nov 29, 2008 10:44 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I hear that

There is no doubt they are the better team. They were better than us before the game and better after. I was just hoping we could surprise them at home. I was speaking to the absurdity of being embarrassed to chear for your own team at home.

by Weasie on Nov 29, 2008 10:54 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I will say this

We are closer to UF than Notre Dame is to SC, but that shouldn’t make anyone feel good.

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by Curtain Jerker on Nov 29, 2008 10:42 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Damn, Oregon State managed to lose

Just so I could spite USC

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by FSBlueApocalypse on Nov 29, 2008 10:54 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It won't happen

But I would love to see the Florida offense against this SC D…talk about your irresistible force meeting the immovable object.

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by Curtain Jerker on Nov 29, 2008 10:54 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I dunno, if Missouri can score the upset in the Big 12 title game

Then I think USC will meet the SEC Champ

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by FSBlueApocalypse on Nov 29, 2008 10:56 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Good point

I forgot about that

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by Curtain Jerker on Nov 29, 2008 10:56 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I hope that's the case, cause if its Oklahoma or Texas, UF would put 70 on their Ds

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by FSBlueApocalypse on Nov 29, 2008 10:57 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This Okie State game is unbelievable

I don’t think you could ask for more of a game to put on national tv.

by Weasie on Nov 29, 2008 10:57 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah good game

Also interesting to see if Boise St makes the BCS instead of OSU

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by FSBlueApocalypse on Nov 29, 2008 11:00 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yes it is

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by Curtain Jerker on Nov 29, 2008 11:01 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Tried to let it sink in a little before offering thoughts ....

 ….in no particular order. In fact, when I was done, I put a couple asterisks by the ones that were important.

1) Is it just me or does our team look, quite literally, weak? So many times vs. BC/GT/VT/UF, our defensive players just got dragged down the field for crucial extra yards.
2) That was the best protection I think Ponder had all season — or at least it felt that way.

  • Set aside scheme for a minute. We looked intimidated from the getgo in this game and that is TOTALLY a function of coaching and leadership.
    4) The best thing Weatherford has going for him is that he throws such an ugly ball, when it goes right to the other team, they have a hard time catching it.
    • Our linebackers fill the wrong hole so many times, it’s really unbelievable.
  • I’m VERY concerned about our future secondary.
  • It continues to be clear to me that our main problems are: a) diffuse leadership b) weak trenches c) archaic defensive scheme.
    8) I think Alabama will beat Florida — one of those games where there is WAAAAY too much talk about how bad the Tide will get beat. They can run the ball and play damn good defense. Frankly, Florida was there to be had today. A good team would have beaten them.
    9) It DOES feel like we have improved over last year. But the growth is stunted. It could be much faster.
    10) Given our defensive woes, Trickett better have the best off-season in the history of coaching. We’re going to have to DOMINATE the trenches on offense.
    11) I’m tired of losing to Florida.

by Fsued on Nov 29, 2008 10:58 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

side note

I saw Trickett at the stadium tonight before the game near the FSU HOF in some classroom. For some reason he was wearing this ridiculous suit with snakeskin boots. I could hardly believe my eyes to see him out of the sweatsuit uniform.

by Weasie on Nov 29, 2008 11:00 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ed, as usual, your take is solid.

I get the weak thing. Part of it is a function of the young OLine (obvious). We lost some guys at DTackle we didn’t expect to lose, and we had recruiting misses as well. When you have guys bursting through the 1st line, they’ll drag 2nd level defenders who are forced to dodge blocks.

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by FSUncensored on Nov 29, 2008 11:21 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Alabama has the perfect team for beating UF. Ball control offense with a QB that can make plays when he needs to. UF’s defense is the bend, but don’t break kind because their offense is so dominate. If UF forces Parker to beat them UF will win.

by evenflow58 on Dec 1, 2008 10:23 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Oh lord ...

The asterisks just fouled it all up. Ugh. Just like tonight. I need a “poster in waiting” tag for posting security.

by Fsued on Nov 29, 2008 10:59 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

"That was the best protection I think Ponder had all season"

And yet he still found a way to underthrow, overthrow, just habitually mis-throw every target that wasn’t a bubble screen. Wait a minute, the incredible catch that Preston made in which he got injured was a bubble. So even there, he’s over rated.

by CaStauch on Nov 29, 2008 11:01 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah

I’ve been a Ponder fall all along, but my confidence in him is shaken. I like the running ability and I think he’ll do a LOT of growing up in the off-season (the biggest jump in performance is always between the first and second season of starting), but he’s sure got a long way to go.

Still, anything better than DW and D’Vo clearly has issues.

by Fsued on Nov 29, 2008 11:03 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He would be epic in GT’s offense. Its perfectly suited to the things that he does well (running, toughness, option reads) and limits the things he struggles in (throwing the ball)

by CaStauch on Nov 29, 2008 11:04 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The run was there all night.

Uncensored talked about the dangers of playing into the pass game. I don’t understand why we didn’t just run D’vo all night until they showed they could stop it consistently.

by Weasie on Nov 29, 2008 11:04 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Do you have a link for the shcedule?

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by Curtain Jerker on Nov 29, 2008 11:20 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

http://nationalchamps.net/NCAA/future_schedules/floridastate_future.htm

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by FSBlueApocalypse on Nov 29, 2008 11:21 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah, ouch just took a look

@BYU, UF, Clemson, Wake, BC, and UNC

I only see 5 home games, I assume the last one is some BS I-AA team?

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by FSBlueApocalypse on Nov 29, 2008 11:21 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Beat me to it

Where is the 12th game?

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by Curtain Jerker on Nov 29, 2008 11:23 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I assume it's going to be some BS I-AA team at home

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by FSBlueApocalypse on Nov 29, 2008 11:24 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Just took a look

At BYU and Florida will be tough, but the other road games don’t look too bad. Clemson is losing both of their starting tailbacks and the other conference games are winnable.

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by Curtain Jerker on Nov 29, 2008 11:27 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think BYU benefits from being in a weak conference

Then again half our team might get arrested for breaking random laws in Mormon Land

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by FSBlueApocalypse on Nov 29, 2008 11:28 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Also looking at this, why do we have a road game @ Air Force?

I’m all for going out to play teams, but really, Air Force?

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by FSBlueApocalypse on Nov 29, 2008 11:27 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I thought Fisher retired

after complaining about not having any black players

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by Curtain Jerker on Nov 29, 2008 11:38 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Reading is fundamental

I’m a moron…you’re right.

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by Curtain Jerker on Nov 29, 2008 11:42 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah Fisher DeBerry retired 2 years ago I think

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by FSBlueApocalypse on Nov 29, 2008 11:41 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Who made the call for three consecutive field goal attempts? It’s like we had no idea UF was capable of scoring on every possession. It’s the same crap we did last year.

The game bothers me because we had plenty of chances in the first half to make this a close game. But the field goals came back to bite us. We got too far behind because of kicking field goals early on and started turning the ball over trying to play catch up in the second half. We fell into the same trap every other team had.

Also I don’t get why Drew was put in. Was it to give him some playing time out of respect or did they really think he could bring us back? I’m sure UFs defense was extremely pleased when he went in.

by Jaguar on Nov 30, 2008 3:10 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Exactly

Did our coaches not watch last year’s game film? FG’s. how pathetic.

5 years in a row? Getting beat 45-15 in our house? Second straight time they have beaten us at home en route to the BCS championship? When is this crap going to end? Force Bobby to resign and let Jimbo clean house on the defensive staff. Anything less is doing permanent damage.

by mp212121 on Nov 30, 2008 9:52 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I hope that wasn't Jimbo's call. If it was, I lost a lot of respect for him.

I think Drew was put in to make sure Ponder didn’t get badly hurt. My other guess? Jimbo and Bobby talked before the game about what they would do in a blowout situation and agreed to give Drew some playing time.

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by FSUncensored on Nov 30, 2008 12:19 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This article is dead on

We simply can’t compete recruit wise and coaching wise at this point.

by OGN on Nov 30, 2008 7:37 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Bowden

Bowden will probably say something to the effect of “They are just a great football team” and move forward as if nothing happened. Please make this man hang it up for good.

5 years in a row? Getting beat 45-15 in our house? Second straight time they have beaten us at home en route to the BCS championship? When is this crap going to end? Force Bobby to resign and let Jimbo clean house on the defensive staff. Anything less is doing permanent damage.

by mp212121 on Nov 30, 2008 9:51 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

or something like

“our intensity was lacking.” Oh wait that’s Mickey’s line.

by FSUStateOfMind on Nov 30, 2008 10:25 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

As a dissenting opinion in September

I stand by my thoughts then and now. I said if we were not any better I would start to join the rabble calling for a new HC. But the fact is we are a better team and our record shows it. We finished last season at 7-6 (same as the year before that). And we have the opportunity to finish at 9-4 this season. That’s a 16% improvement! That’s with a crazy amount of suspensions and off the field distractions.

Also for those of you calling for Mickey’s head, the way I count it our defense cost us 1.5 games this season. 1 for GT and .5 for UF. Our offense cost us 2.5 games this year. 1 each for WF, and BC (The pick-six lost us that game) and a half for UF.

I don’t see people clamoring for Jimbo to hang it up. Our Defense ranks as top 10. Where does the offense rank?

I’m heartbroken by the losses but I am excited for the future. As Ponder gains more trust in players other than himself and our O Line gets stronger we will be back in the top 5.

by RollinNole on Nov 30, 2008 12:37 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The defense played poorly in games against VTech until their QB went down and very poorly against Boston College.

Nobody is calling for Jimbo’s head as nobody expected much of this offense, this year.

This defense is top 10 in the country in Total Yards. Where do they rank in the ACC? What if I told you that several teams had their best day of the year against Mickey’s defense; a defense that is more talented than any defense on our schedule. Mickey didn’t take over a bare cupboard, he put himself in this spot.

We will never be back in the top 5 at the end of a season with Bowden. We have no leader. You need to look at this using corporate concepts.

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by FSUncensored on Nov 30, 2008 12:57 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We played 2 1-AA teams this year.

I wouldn’t give us that much credit for improving our win total. I agree that we are a better team this year than last, but I would not use that particular statistic as evidence.

And oh… the defense is terrible.

by MattDNole on Nov 30, 2008 4:13 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

First you can say all you want about Amato but he put in work at N.C State. They are gonna reap the benefits for what he did for a long time. He also recruited prominent players like Mario Williams,Stephen Tulloch,Jericho Cotchery. Amato has been great for this University and N.C State.

 Bobby and Mickey have to go and it pains me to say that. They are really holding us back.I don’t think Allen is that bad. However if there is someone better I am for it. Problem is we get beat by the same things. Misdirection,Not covering the TE. Not locating the ball. That is why we need a overhaul. Not because of the losses.

by Stick of doom on Nov 30, 2008 12:41 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Amato has recruited ZERO south florida guys (his zone) in his time here. None.

I’ll credit him for his recruiting efforts… at NC STATE, but not here. He is completely washed up and the kids do not relate to him.

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by FSUncensored on Nov 30, 2008 12:54 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Maurice Harris and Nigel seems to like him alot

  And really I was talking about his first tenure here. Derrick Gibson,Snoop Minnis he got alot of kids from Killian. Probably the only pipeline we had in South Florida. When he left who the hell did we get from South Florida. Antone and Pat Robinson that is it.

 I am on your side about the defensive coaching. I disagree that Amato has not had a positive effect on the program. He had 2 converted safties starting at LB this year and they did pretty well. I think the fact that guys like Nigel Carr and Vince Williams didn’t play more,is more of a Mickey thing.

by Stick of doom on Nov 30, 2008 3:01 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Maurice Harris is very close to being kicked off the team... for what it is worth.

Our linebackers play with no discipline and that is a result of Amato telling them to just go make plays. He doesn’t teach them keys, and does a horrible job teaching them why their role in the defense is important. His guys just play off their athletic ability.

He should get some credit for the work with Verdell. Ingram didn’t do much.

I won’t debate his work from 8 years ago. He isn’t doing anything now. Bradham was an FSU lock since birth and Amato was lucky enough to be the LB coach, which is Nigel’s position. He has hurt us since coming back. ZERO south Florida recruits so far, in 2 years. He also makes everyone else on the staff uncomfortable.

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by FSUncensored on Nov 30, 2008 3:09 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Why not go the Schembechler route...

…give Bobby a corner office and let him hang out with the kids, tell stories about the glory years, advise coaches who want to consult him, and have him make occasional pre-game, locker room, and media appearances. Bo seemed to enjoy this role and a lot of the kids at Michigan spoke highly of him.

Meanwhile, hand the reigns of the program to Jimbo and turn him loose.

by Aussierat on Nov 30, 2008 3:42 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Or the John Wooden route.

We all know why Bobby doesn’t want to retire:
Death
He discussed it in his book.

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by FSUncensored on Nov 30, 2008 3:57 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not that far away...

I don’t understand the comments about this team being several years away from competing with UF and being in position to play for NC’s. Yes, it’s time for Bowden to retire, but things can change for the better very quickly in college football. If Alabama can turn it around as quickly as they have, I see no reason FSU can’t. I don’t believe the gap between UF and FSU is as large as it seems at the moment.

by Dent Street Nole on Nov 30, 2008 6:41 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This is true
things can change for the better very quickly in college football.

My guess is that we will have a shot to return to the top 10 two years after Bowden’s retirement. If he retires after 2009, I’d expect us to get back to the elite in 2012.

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by FSUncensored on Nov 30, 2008 7:09 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs