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Sunday Running PostGame Reactions and Observations: Clemson 27, FSU 41

Post your thoughts here.

Here are your 5 Questions:

1.  What was the most encouraging thing you saw tonight? 

2.  Who was the best player on the field?

3.  What was the most discouraging aspect of this win?

4.  What is your most lingering concern after this victory?

5.  What player or aspect of this team do you most want to see re-emerge?

Bonus: what do you want me to look for in "Inside the Seminole Film Room"?

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Quotes:

"It was exciting. We talked about it all week about how other teams weren’t able to run on them. We just stuck with our blocking schemes and we just felt like they hadn’t played a team like us."_ Jermaine Thomas

Early Observations:

  • Continued 3rd down dominance:  Clemson ran 15 3rd down plays and converted only 2.  It's safe to say that the Noles will continue to lead the nation in this category.  Clemson ran 12 3rd down pass plays.  The results?  3 Sacks, 1 Interception, 5 incompletions, 2 completions that were tackled 5 and 2 yards short of the first down, and only ONE conversion.  1-12 on 3rd downs passing.  Think about that.  That is sheer dominance.  
  • Running for points; not maintenance.  FSU had 10 runs of 10+ yards.  7 runs of 20+ yards.  No player with over 100 yards.  Few teams actually use the running game as a weapon instead of a "stay out of 3rd and long" method.  This is good from an explosion standpoint, but I'll need to review some more stuff before I make up my mind RE: are we too boom or bust in the run game.  Another positive of this is that teams must really respect the run on 2nd and 3rd Passing Downs  

The importance of winning 1st down.

... it is not necessarily how many big defensive plays you make that determines how well you do; it is more about leveraging the offense into uncomfortable situations -- in other words, Passing Downs.  The reverse is true for offensive success

I've preached this all year, but we are finally beginning to understand why.  No matter how good you are throwing the ball, you won't have sustained success in 3rd and 5+.  In fact, we discussed our propensity to convert 3rd and long last week.  Several commentators (including myself) commented that we probably cannot keep that up.  As you will see, it was finally time for the Noles to pay the proverbial piper, as they converted on only 2 of 7 3rd and 5+ situations.  A detailed breakdown follows.  See what you can do with this while I crunch other stuff.

Situation Success Rate Successes Failures
Overall Offense 50% 31 31
Rushing Offense 58% 19 14
Passing Offense 41% 12 17
Non-Passing Downs 69% 11 5
Passing Downs 33% 5 10
Running in Non-Passing Downs 80% 8 2
Passing in Non-Passing Downs 60% 3 2
Running in Passing Downs 50% 3 3
Passing in Passing Downs 22% 2 7
1st Down Offense 48% 15 16
1st Down Rushing Offense 50% 8 8
1st Down Passing Offense 47% 7 8
2nd Down Offense 52% 11 10
2nd Down Offense in Non- Passing Downs 62% 8 5
2nd Down Offense in Passing Downs 38% 3 5
2nd Down Rushing Offense 67% 10 5
2nd Down Running in Non-Passing Downs 78% 7 2
2nd Down Running in Passing Downs 50% 3 3
2nd Down Passing Offense 20% 1 4
2nd Down Passing in Non-Passing Downs 33% 1 2
2nd Down Passing in Passing Downs 0% 0 2
3rd Down Offense 50% 5 5
3rd Down Offense in Non- Passing Downs 100% 3 0
3rd Down Offense in Passing Downs 29% 2 5
3rd Down Rushing Offense 100% 1 0
3rd Down Running in Non-Passing Downs 100% 1 0
3rd Down Running in Passing Downs NO Draws?
3rd Down Passing Offense 44% 4 5
3rd Down Passing in Non-Passing Downs 100% 2 0
3rd Down Passing in Passing Downs 29% 2 5

As We've discussed at length, our offensive line is not good enough to execute a bunch of straight dropback pass plays.  Our numbers reflect that.  Also, because of the more hit or miss explosive nature of the passing game, Success rate will almost always be higher for rushing than passing.  More explanations on this tomorrow. 

We did an excellent job of staying committed to the run on 2nd and 8+, running 6 times and getting into 3rd and 4 or better 3 of the 6 times.

I'll enter the Defensive Data into Table form soon.

  • Defensive Success Rate: 63% (45/71).  50% on non-passing downs (5/10).   73% on passing downs (22/30).
  • 1st Down Offensive Success Rate  64% (18/31).  
  • 2nd Down Defensive Success Rate  59% (13/22).  50% on non-passing downs (3/6).  63% on passing downs (10/16). 
  • 3rd Down Defensive Success Rate  87% (13/15).  50% on non-passing downs (2/4, including a turnover).  ONE HUNDRED % on passing downs (11/11).  That's incredible.  Believe in the concept of leverage now?  
  • 4th Down Defensive Success Rate  33% (1/3, all passing downs)


What were certain non-scoring plays really worth?

How costly was roughing the passer?

How would we even go about figuring this out?  Let's use a field position point expectancy chart.  Ddpv_medium

via www.rockmnation.com

This chart shows how many points they can expect to score then they have the ball at a specific part of the field.  The punt was fair caught at the FS 28 by Preston Parker.  Having the ball at your own 28 on 1st down is worth exactly 2.00 points.  The penalty not only wiped out our expectancy of 2.00 points, but it also gave Clemson a 1st down at their own 46.  Having the ball at your own 46 is worth about 2.9 points. 

So, 2.00 + 2.90= 4.90.  The roughing the passer penalty cost the Noles 4.90 points.  Intuitively, you know that penalty really hurt us.  Now you know mathematically. 

 

How costly was Tony Carter's muffed punt?

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via www.rockmnation.com

The punt went from the Florida State 43 to the Florida State 11, where Tony Carter tried to fair catch it. 

Having a 1st down at your own 11 is worth roughly 1.8 points.  That's not all that special.  The real killer in this play came from the turnaround.  Clemson recovered the fumble at the Florida State 9.  A first down at your opponent's 9 yard line is worth about 5.3 points.  All in all, Carter's muffed punt was a 7.1 point swing.  What a huge play.  Again I ask: why is a starting cornerback returning punts?  Let's hope this is the last we see of Tony Carter returning punts.

Other key non-scoring plays:

  • Harper's pass to Ford on 3rd down from the FSU 45 (1.5 expected pts) to the FSU 23 (4.25) was worth an expected 2.75 points.  Credit the defense here for holding CU to a field goal. 
  • Ponde'rs toss to Parker  on 3-3 from the CU 44 to the CU 32 was deceptively important.  It was worth 2.5 expectancy points (4.00-1.50). 
  • Spiller's 8 yard rush on 4th-6 from the FSU 38 to the FSU 30 was worth 2.5 points (4.00-2.50)
  • Surrency's 38 yard grab on 2-7 from the 50 to the CU 12 was worth 2.50 expectancy points as well.  (Jumping from 1.50 for the 2-7 @ the 50 (1.50 pts), to a first down @ the CU 12 (4.00pts) )

Truer Drive Charts

I don't think that Clemson should be credit for one drive because FSU roughed their punter.  I also don't think that Neefy's interception or Tony's muff were offensive drives.  It's a pet peeve, but I think this gives a better sense of how each offense (and defense) really played. 

Clemson (split the roughing the punter drive in two)

   Drive Start Drive End Consumed    
Team  Qtr  Spot  Time  Obtained  Spot  Time     How Lost  Pl-Yds  TOP  RZ 
CU   1st  C20  15:00 Kickoff  F00  12:52 *  TOUCHDOWN  5-80  2:08   
CU   1st  C25  11:19 Punt  F23  7:43 *  FIELD GOAL  9-52  3:36   
CU   1st  C20  5:56 Kickoff  C26  4:16    Interception  3-6  1:40   
CU   1st  C20  4:16 Kickoff  C22  2:28    Punt  3-2  1:48   
CU   2nd  C19  12:58 Kickoff  F43  8:55    Punt  7-38  4:03   
CU   2nd  F09  8:55 Fumble  F00  8:17 *  TOUCHDOWN  2-9  0:38 # 
CU   2nd  C37  6:53 Punt  C42  5:15    Punt  3-5  1:38   
CU   2nd  C22  1:19 Kickoff  C15  0:38    Punt  3--7  0:41   
CU   3rd  C09  10:52 Kickoff  C31 7:15 Punt  5-22 3:37
CU   3rd  C46 7:15 Penalty F02  3:43 *  FIELD GOAL  10-52 3:32 # 
CU   3rd  C20  0:38 Interception  C11  13:44    Punt  3--9  1:54   
CU   4th  C09  10:24 Kickoff  C14  8:30    Punt  3-5  1:54   
CU   4th  C03  5:04 Punt  F00  2:00 *  TOUCHDOWN  11-97  3:04 # 
CU   4th  C36  1:42 Kickoff  C41  0:44    Fumble  6-5  0:58   

We really need to start better.  Clemson's first 2 drives went 5-80 and 9-52.  Mickey said that he didn't make a scheme adjustment, but rather, an attitude adjustment.  

After Mickey laid into his crew, Clemson ran 42 plays for 141 yards (3.4 per play-- absurdly good  defense).  CU was completely shut down.  

Then, we went into a prevent and allowed a 11 play, 97yd drive.  However, that drive did last 3:04 and cost Clemson all of their timeouts. 

 

Florida State (removed the Neefy Score and the Punt Muff)

   Drive Start Drive End Consumed    
Team  Qtr  Spot  Time  Obtained  Spot  Time     How Lost  Pl-Yds  TOP  RZ 
FS   1st  F34  12:52 Kickoff  F34  11:19    Punt  3-0  1:33   
FS   1st  F28  7:38 Kickoff  C34  5:56 *  FIELD GOAL  5-38  1:42   
FS   1st  F25  2:28 Punt  C19  13:03 *  FIELD GOAL  10-56  4:25 # 
FS   2nd  F30  8:12 Kickoff  F30  6:53    Punt  3-0  1:19   
FS   2nd  F30  5:15 Punt  C00  1:25 *  TOUCHDOWN  10-70  3:50 # 
FS   2nd  F33  0:38 Punt  C41  0:00    End of half  4-26  0:38   
FS   3rd  F37  14:52 Kickoff  C00  11:01 *  TOUCHDOWN  9-63  3:51 # 
FS   3rd  F38  3:35 Kickoff  C11  0:38    Interception  7-51  2:57 # 
FS   4th  F32  13:44 Punt  C00  10:31 *  TOUCHDOWN  7-68  3:13 # 
FS   4th  F49  8:30 Punt  C43  5:04    Punt  5-8  3:26   
FS   4th  C41  1:58 Kickoff  C00  1:49 *  TOUCHDOWN  1-41  0:09   
FS   4th  C41  0:44 Fumble  C43  0:00    End of half  1--2  0:44   

I don't like how most of the sites are reporting Clemson's drives.  To me, the drive when we roughed their punter was really 2 separate offensive drives.

I really like the 5 drives of 7+ plays and 50+ yards.  That's very good.

Thanks to Seminoles.com and Woody Hayes, Tommy Sabourin, Pat Campbell, Andrew Brady, Steve Heil, and Brian Taylor for compiling this.

More to come...

Wow Notes

  • Wow!, on the 2nd drive, we faked bubble screen action and ran a middle screen off of it.  Unfortunately, Clemson didn't respect givens on the bubble and batted the middle screen pass down.  Still though... Wow!  That's creative.  I think we will see this again.
  • Wow!  We were trying to go deep.  3 or more times we ran a design short pass fake to try to get deep, but alas, the pressure was too much.  Maybe someday? 
  • Wow!  Moses McCray is an absolute beast!  I wonder what the battles between him and Freshman Guard David Spurlock are like?  Watch the 1st down run @ 2:28 of the first quarter.  Moses drives Clemson's Senior Center 3 yards into the backfield, hits the CJ spiller with his arm, and slows him up enough to have our defender converge.  Moses IS the next Brodrick Bunkley.  Mark that down.  He plays with such great leverage. 
  • Wow!  I forgot just how much faster a healthy Dekoda Watson makes out defense.  His constant intensity level doesn't hurt either.

Have something that needs to be in the Wow! notes?  Lemme know.

 

Photos (Courtesy of Tallahassee.com)

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Last week, I told you that we played much worse than the score indicated.

This week, we played much better than the score indicated.


The Media's Take

Check back throughout the day as I add more thoughts.  I'd really like to hear yours, however, so don't be shy!

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I could see that

It’s a rivalry game and NC State is playing better than their record indicates and is finally getting healthy.

"Your eyes can decieve you. Don't trust them." Obi-Wan Kenobi, the first sabermetrician...

by Curtain Jerker on Nov 8, 2008 8:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Nope

Wake is still a good football team. They beat a UVA team who can be very good at times (usually on the road they are terrible, though). I Just don’t think NC.St has the tools. It’s wishful thinking at best.

by UNFNOLE on Nov 9, 2008 9:18 AM EST up reply actions  

Last Antone TD

Do any of you know if Clemson intentionally gave up that last TD run by Antone Smith?? (especially those of you who can watch it again on DVR). The ESPN announcers stated that it might have been a desperate but strategic move on Clemson’s part to give them a fighting chance at scoring a quick TD and going for another onside kick. I only saw it once, and it looked like good blocking to seal off the corner, one good downfield block, and Deuce running hard the rest of the way. But… it very well could’ve been Clemson defense just going through the motions. What do you guys think? I’m just curious because it seemed like a great play

by nolefosho on Nov 8, 2008 8:29 PM EST reply actions  

Watching BC,

I think we are going to destroy these guys. I’m not drunk either. Watch us run no-huddle to gas their DT’s.

by Bud Elliott on Nov 8, 2008 9:03 PM EST reply actions  

Lots of Thoughts, in random order

I think you really have to be pleased with the way our Noles responded today. Not only trying to respond to last week’s heartbreaker, but the way they bounced back and answered almost every time Clemson put any momentum together.

Not disappointed by a ton today, other than a few mistakes that I know we’d like to have back. It’s impressive for any team to keep Davis and Spiller relatively in check. I live in SC and see a lot of Clemson football, both of those guys are the real deal.

If I’m disappointed, I guess it’s that Tony Carter is even back there returning punts. Since we’re so freaking deep at WR, I’d like to see one of those guys back there, maybe even Givens. He was a nice surprise for us today.

I did feel like the refs were pretty rough today, for both teams.

Our front seven looks as good as it has in years. Part of the credit (or blame) should go to Clemson’s horrific O-Line (and the real reason for their poor record this year), but you can’t take anything away from the Noles pass rush today. It was just awesome to watch.

Gano must have a horseshoe surgically attached somewhere on the lower half of his body. If I ever blow my knee out, I want a referral to his surgeon.

I was a fan of Jimbo’s play-calling. I feel like we saw his playbook finally open up a good bit today, instead of just seeing it in waves.

Hearing 86,000 people serenade Coach Bowden with “Happy Birthday” was pretty awesome to see on TV. I’m sure it was even cooler in person.

It still feels like the secondary is the biggest weakness on this team, although they played pretty well today.

The biggest thing I want to see carry forward is the dedication to the ground game, and our ability to come right back and answer the other team. The Noles have been doing that pretty consistently over the last several weeks.

Just think that we could have had even more points (or better field position at least) if we didn’t tackle our own players on every return that we had.

All in all, a great win tonight, especially considering that Clemson has had our number of the last few seasons.

by zest on Nov 8, 2008 9:27 PM EST reply actions  

Thanks

I enjoy your work on the site.

I will say that it’s a nice feeling knowing that Jimbo, Mickey, and Bobby can make the necessary halftime adjustments to win the 2nd half. With the exception of the Wake game (which was just a weird game for FSU), we have outplayed every opponent in the 2nd half. It’s very refreshing compared to the last several years.

by zest on Nov 8, 2008 9:46 PM EST reply actions  

for the offense its obvious

it’s coaching. Before Trickett and Jimbo got here we were running around blind out there. But now it seems like every play has a purpose. We know our offensive line is young and not a stength and we know how to use it. We know we cant just throw it down the field, but we run plays all game to open that up. I am constantly in awe of Jimbo’s playbook no matter how fast he talks.

Defensively the jury is still out for me. I only wish we could show up earlier in the game. We have a lot of intensity, but it doesnt seem to arrive until were down a few scores. It’s like a nest of wasps. You know they’re dangerous but it takes a few swats at the nest to get the angry enough to attack.

by Weasie on Nov 9, 2008 3:31 AM EST up reply actions  

Both

It’s not just that we’re fresher than the other team in the 2nd half, it’s that we’re exploiting their weaknesses far more effectively than we do in the 1st half.

but part of it is depth and conditioning. I also think the conditioning is due to a no-nonsense coaching staff though. Jimbo and Trickett are a far cry from the offensive coaches we’ve had over the last 7 years.

by zest on Nov 9, 2008 10:49 AM EST up reply actions  

Long Day ad exhausted....

But here are my thoughts in reply to your questions.

1. What was the most encouraging thing you saw tonight? – Jermaine Thomas. He continue to impress me and really excite me for the rest of his career. Gano being the KOS on top of everything was nice, and he was able to get it out of the endzone, however my one concern is if he doesn’t…. He is line driving it. We may be best served if he only punted and Kicked. It was good to see us getting sacks, however i don’t know how much is due to Clemsons AWFUL OL.

2. Who was the best player on the field?
Brown, Ponder, Thomas, Gano. Gano is still our MVP, but Thomas is playing some great football.
3. What was the most discouraging aspect of this win?
Our ability to give up the big play. 40+yrd run, 30+yrd pass (given we were in the ever famous prevent defense)
4. What is your most lingering concern after this victory?
Tackling. We can hit with the best of them, but our tackling is iffy at best. Our pass rush broke down several times. Also, we started slow. Started quick against VT, but slow tonight. Which is it? Our first halves need to be more consistent or we are going to wind up like Penn St.
5. What player or aspect of this team do you most want to see re-emerge?
The Possesion recievers. Surrency had one grab tonight …I think, I missed the 3rd quarter ( I dont think Carr had any). I really like Carr as a person, a team player, and a reciever, and I would love to see them get back into the mix more.

Overall, a very complete game (maybe our first). I was happy with the last 3 quarters. I also feel terrible for Davis and Spiller. Those are two very good football players who don’t deserve their record.

Hopefully these thoughts are fairly accurate. I’m calling it an early night. Go Noles, and thanks for your work FSUncensored.

by UNFNOLE on Nov 8, 2008 9:57 PM EST reply actions  

...

We haven’t done that to a D1 opponent yet, what makes you think Boston College who has a stingy defense will be the first? I think we’ll win if we can stay ‘up’ for the game, but I think its going to be a very TOUGH game. What worries me is our o-line staying motivated week in and week out. GO Noles.

by UNFNOLE on Nov 9, 2008 8:20 AM EST up reply actions  

I am looking forward

to hearing your thoughts though. Maybe you can convince me otherwise.

by UNFNOLE on Nov 9, 2008 9:14 AM EST up reply actions  

First, I think we shut them out. Their offense is probably worse than NC State.

Second, I really like how we matchup against their defense. They don’t “like” to blitz, they MUST blitz. Their ends and backers suck.

More on this throughout the week.

by Bud Elliott on Nov 9, 2008 11:32 AM EST up reply actions  

I only saw the last few minutes of the game...but...

I totally agree with Zest. As the season has progressed, our ability to make adjustments at half time have progressed as well. I’m ok if we’re down 10 at the half. This is turning into a patient football team that adjusts well. We are heading in the right direction but we still have a lot of fundamentals that need to be markedly improved before we can become a top contender: pass blocking (duh our offensive line just finished kindergarten), tackling (totally agree) and defensive assignments. Once this team has been together for a couple of years and Jimbo and Micky have a couple of recruiting classes in the system, watch out.

Again, great win for the Noles. We have at least a post season bowl game, now lets get to the ACC Championship Game.

Go Noles!

by TrueCubbie on Nov 8, 2008 11:41 PM EST reply actions  

I agree with the pass blocking, but...

Unless Patrick Robinson and Dekoda Watson stay, we’re going to be in shootouts all next year (of the 41-35 variety).

Also, mark this down: we will beat BC by at least 3 TD’s.

by Bud Elliott on Nov 8, 2008 11:45 PM EST up reply actions  

We say that,

but Mickey always seems to be able to get the next guy to step up. I don’t know who thats going to be, but I am confident he will fill in the missing pieces. I thought Dekoda had a really nice game. He is one of the best linebackers I have seen in a LONG time at getting off of blocks. It is textbook to the T. He initiates the contact, extends his arms, sheds the block and makes a good form tackle. He did it several times last night. When you watch the film, really watch him do this, it is just a great small thing that is a blast to watch.

by UNFNOLE on Nov 9, 2008 9:13 AM EST up reply actions  

I hope you are right.

Dekoda is our Ray Lewis from the perspective of “always gets the D fired up.”

I will do that.

by Bud Elliott on Nov 9, 2008 11:36 AM EST up reply actions  

Questions

1. Most encouraging thing was our ability to deny any momentum they tried to build. I never really saw that in the past, and we used to get ourselves out of games mentally, not this season.

2. Gano, he is extraordinary, and his kickoffs really helped our horrible coverage.

3. Discouraging was the defensive secondary, they sucked. If their O-line wasn’t giving up sacks or pressure all day long it would have been alot worse.

4. Slow starts, we can’t keep spotting teams 10-14 points every game and expect to win, especially UF.

5. I want to see Parker. He had some nice plays, but didn’t get too explosive, he still hasn’t had a great game yet.

by Njfoshizzy on Nov 9, 2008 4:23 AM EST reply actions  

The secondary did disappoint some, specifically in the first 2 drives and on the prevent drive.

I think this is gameplan related, however, as we really focused on the run in early downs. I wrote about how evil we were on passing downs.

by Bud Elliott on Nov 9, 2008 1:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Hey FSUncensored, what format do you record the games in? Do you record them with like Tivo or something similar or do you have the more awesome TV Tuner setup? If you have .avi’s or .mpeg’s of the games I will do whatever it takes to get my hands on them.

by pbysh on Nov 9, 2008 12:18 PM EST reply actions  

pbysh,

I am brutally poor with technology. I just use the DVR that comcast gives me. I wish I knew how to do the other stuff.

You check out that point expectancy stuff I just posted? Maybe it’s nerdy, but it’s pretty interesting nonetheless.

by Bud Elliott on Nov 9, 2008 12:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, pretty interesting stuff

Always fun to see a new take on things. Keep up the great work sir. :)

by pbysh on Nov 9, 2008 4:22 PM EST up reply actions  

film

FSUncesnored,

When you watch the film, could you review those kickoff/punt returns where our man ran into the back of his own blocker? I know this actually isn’t that uncommon (although it looks silly) because the return man is usually faster and has tons more momentum than any of the blockers upfield. But just wanted to know if there were any obvious lanes the return men missed where they could’ve broken open for even longer gains. I just remember a couple of times when I was watching the game where I felt myself standing up from the couch cuz I sensed they were one last move away from the endzone on a those returns. Mb Michael Ray Garvin would’ve made enough of a difference, maybe not. Your film breakdowns are real sharp, btw.

by nolefosho on Nov 9, 2008 5:56 PM EST reply actions  

Will do.

I usually don’t comment on special team other than “hmm, why do we suck so bad with these athletes?”

by Bud Elliott on Nov 9, 2008 8:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Yep

I agree with nolefosho here. That’s what my previous “we did a better job of tackling ourselves than Clemson did” comment was all about. It happened a few times after receptions by WR too, and I guess there’s not much you can do about it. I will say that it was weird.

I would like to know if there was something different the returner could have done. I’m also curious to know if it was the same blocker the few times it happened. Not that it means anything, but I was thinking to myself during the game that it was the same dude.

by zest on Nov 9, 2008 9:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Yep

I mentioned the same thing in my first rambling post. We need to see more of that guy.

by zest on Nov 10, 2008 8:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Givens

from what I have heard/read, i guess he has practiced a lot on special teams but his hands are a concern…

by Renegade11 on Nov 10, 2008 10:08 AM EST up reply actions  

Questions

1. We dominated them despite what the score says
2. The D-ends, they whupped a pathetic o-line, as they should. And of course Gano.
3. Still have trouble stepping on an opponents throat. Still have a couple key mistakes that make the game a little too close. Difference between the 90’s and now: we don’t fumble that punt inside the 10 at a critical juncture; after the running into the punter, the D forces another 3 and out; and we throw a TD, not a pick, in the end zone on that late drive. I like routs.
4. As always, like to see a little more downfield throwing; and stop spotting every team a double-digit lead.
5. Other than more big-time passing, let’s see a little more D’Vo

by hopnole23 on Nov 9, 2008 11:01 PM EST reply actions  

Good call on the downfield stuff.

Where were the deep outs? It seemed like Clemson took away the midrange stuff.

by Bud Elliott on Nov 10, 2008 12:19 AM EST up reply actions  

Prevent D

I’m posing this as a question to everyone and would love to hear all of your opinions on it (maybe i should post this as a fan post). But time and time again, we get a lead late in a ball game and then jump into our “Prevent” D. It seems the only thing they are preventing are 50+ TD catches. Perfect example, last year against Colorado up in Boulder we shut them out for 3.5 quarters and then decided to drop back into prevent and then we ended up allowing their lone TD late in the 4th quarter. I know we don’t want to allow the big play to let a team get back in the game quickly but looking at FSUncensored’s post above, on Saturday I believe Clemson drove 97 yards in 2 minutes or so? I don’t know if we just aren’t good at executing it or what but in my opinion i would us rather scheme differently. Thoughts?

by Renegade11 on Nov 10, 2008 9:54 AM EST reply actions  

I have never been a fan of the Prevent D...

Rarely does it do what it is supposed to (in my humble opinion). The last thing you want to do is not pressure a quarterback, have your safeties turn and run for the goal line and have gaping holes in your coverage. I have always believed putting pressure on the quarterback is your best friend. Only rushing 3 or 4 is decreasing the odds of your guys getting there. If the offense is disciplined, well coached and have a QB and receivers who have “chemistry” watch out. Look at Texas Tech’s Harrell and Crabtree. Give those guys time and they will find the holes and pick you apart. By going into a prevent defense you are allowing the offense to dictate the pace and direction of the game. Continuing to play aggressive defense takes that sense of control away.

by TrueCubbie on Nov 10, 2008 2:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Here are your 5 Questions Answered:

Here are your 5 Questions:
1. What was the most encouraging thing you saw tonight?
Our wide receiver blocking continues to get better every week. Their heads are in the game when it is not about “I”.

2. Who was the best player on the field?
Dekota Watson is a difference maker

3. What was the most discouraging aspect of this win?
We allowed the big play again! 50+ td on the ground

4. What is your most lingering concern after this victory?
Defensive ability to handle misdirection with speed (Harvin, Rainey, Demps)

5. What player or aspect of this team do you most want to see re-emerge?
Big plays by wide receivers after the catch

Bonus: what do you want me to look for in “Inside the Seminole Film Room”?
Ponder looking at second deep wr option? How many check downs is he making?

wac

by FSUwac87 on Nov 10, 2008 1:33 PM EST reply actions  

Jermaine Thomas is FSU’s next big time player. That kid can fly and he displays pure talent.

When he runs it looks very natural, much like that of Prime time.

by FSUBrad on Nov 11, 2008 6:09 PM EST reply actions  

Do you think he has blazing speed?

I tend to think he has good speed. I don’t see this crazy top gear that others do. Antone has speed this year. He flew down the sideline on that TD run (and the Colorado run).

To me, Thomas is going to be a great back because he already has something that guys either have or do not have: Vision. Film helps with this, but some backs just lack vision. Trickett said that Jermaine “listens to what we tell him”, and in saying that, he also mentioned that Antone has only begun listening this year. I bet, however, that Jermaine has more natural feel type stuff.

He can get faster (some), and stronger, through offseason work.

The next evolution THIS season for Jermaine is catching the football. He was recruited as a wideout in some places, and I think he has good hands.

by Bud Elliott on Nov 11, 2008 8:36 PM EST up reply actions  

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