Slow Day for FSU Sports
by nolesblogger on Dec 15, 2008 1:20 PM EST
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With football getting ready to take on Wisconsin in the Champs Sports Bowl and basketball gearing up to host Tennessee Tech tomorrow night (look for TrueCubbie's game preview either later today or tomorrow), there isn't a whole lot to cover involving FSU sports. Instead, we'll look at a story that didn't recieve very much attention when it broke this past Wednesday, but could have a big impact later on. It involves the potential demise of the BCS.
It shouldn't surprise anybody that the man behind the newest attempt to bring down the BCS is from Texas. Rep. Joe Barton, a Texas Republican, is trying to pass legislation that would force college football to move to a playoff system. The basic idea, according to Barton, is that marketing a postseason game as a "national championship" game would be a violation of the Federal Trade Commission Act, unless the game was a part of a playoff system.
It is still unclear whether or not Barton's attempt will be successful, but it sure is an interesting attempt. Let us know what you think by adding a comment and voting in the poll. To read more details click here.
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I just dont see where they have a right to have a say
I want the BCS gone. But I dont see how the BCS has anything to do with politics. If they have nothing better to do than worry about the Bcs than the USA is putting the wrong people in up there and Im a Rep. Its just not right. If they think something is wrong then by all means as a fan of football speek your mind but thats it.
I think and as the poll shows so far
that most people will agree with you on this
by nolesblogger on Dec 15, 2008 2:31 PM EST up reply actions
Oh man, I was hoping not to go the commerce route.
Congress can interfere to an extent, but they can’t force a playoff. They can attempt to regulate some stuff, but they can’t force this sort of restructuring of private business.
Also when are we going to start going into the Wis. talk.
I know its about 2 weeks out and eveyone is getting there test out the way. Good luck everyone hope you studys are going good. I just want to get some stuff going about the Bowl game because Im not going to be able to get on over the next few weeks.
I'll start some Wisconsin talk.
Ron Dayne stole the Heisman that rightfully belonged to Peter Warrick.
Unfortunately
a lot of people think that Warrick eliminated himself… Dayne also won it as a career achievement award for breaking the career rushing record set by Ricky Williams
by nolesblogger on Dec 15, 2008 2:30 PM EST up reply actions
I agree.
I always say his 99 championship performance was his “I should have been the Heisman” game. He was the most outstanding player in college football, however, the voters didn’t want to elect him into an ‘elite’ club because of his off the field antics (getting a nice discount)
I think ESPN could renegotiate their contract.
If ABC got the playoff games, and they got an extention, I bet Disney would cancel the current agreement.
there is no doubt that ESPN/ABC
or any other big network would love to cover a college football playoff system
by nolesblogger on Dec 15, 2008 2:51 PM EST up reply actions
Up a creek is a bad thing incase you thought I was saying that its a good thing.
Fight for college football Uncensored, fight for the good when you become a licensed lawyer!
Not a fan of the BCS
but I am also not a fan of the playoff. I think you are going to have a much tougher time deciding who the best 8 teams are than trying to get two teams to see who is the best.
It would be tough
but it would not be a whole lot different than the selection committee for the basketball tournament… there is always going to be one team with at least a legitimate argument that they were more deserving than another… however in basketball the teams that are usually snubbed probably wouldn’t contend for a NC but just miss out on the honor of playing in the tournament
most people are in favor of an 8 team format with the 6 BCS conference winners against 2 at large bids… this year it would look something like this:
1.Oklahoma
8. Va Tech
4. Bama
5. USC
3. Texas
6. Penn St.
2. Florida
7. Cincy
again with this you have some obvious snubs (Utah, Boise St., Texas Tech, Ohio St.) but I still think its better than what we have
by nolesblogger on Dec 15, 2008 3:25 PM EST up reply actions
I posted a possible 16-team tournament a while back
The best way would be a 8-team at large tournament, but the conferences would never allow that. I’m going to try to find my post and re-post it here for your comments
16 team playoff
So here is my idea. Make it a 16-team playoff with 6 direct berths provided to the BCS conference champions and 10 at-large teams picked using the BCS rankings. There would be no limit on how many teams a conference can put in the tournament. To help with the bowl structure, I would propose the Fiesta Bowl be downgraded to a lower bowl for teams that don’t make the tournament (such as the Peach, Gator, Cotton which could field some pretty interesting matchups as well as I will point later) and have the Rose, Sugar and Orange Bowl in a rotation for the Semi-Finals and Championship game year after year. The first 2 rounds would be played at the higher seed team’s home field.
The seeds would be like this:
1. Oklahoma – Big XII Champ
2. Florida – SEC Champ
3. Texas – At large
4. Penn St – Big 10 Champ
5. Utah – At large
6. Bama – At large
7. USC – Pac 10 Champ
8. Oklahoma St – At large
9. Cincinnati – Big East Champ
10. Ohio St – At large
11. Virginia Tech – ACC Champ
12. Georgia – At large
13. Boise St – At large
14. TCU – At large
15. Pitt – At large
16. West Virginia – At large
The possible matchups would be incredible. Some people may argue that it would take away from the regular season but, I don’t know how you could be against something like this. As far as the other bowls there could still be great matchups with available teams such as Oregon, Missouri, Nebraska, Cal, BC, FSU, Miami, Michigan St, Ole Miss, LSU, BYU, etc.
I know is long, but any thoughts?
This is dumb.
It is all semantics. I am not a law school grad (FSUn), but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express once. This will never hold up in court. If somehow it did, the NCAA would probably just have to change the title of the game and winner to keep the current system. This is worse than congress getting involved with steroids in the MLB. At least with steroids, there were some legitamate law breakers and health risks involved. These are paltry attempts by our inept lawmakers to get some political notoriety. I am not suprised to see a represative from Illinois get in on this, but frankly, I expect more out of Texas. I hope these guys take a lot of heat for even wasting a second on this and that Barak takes notice, and spends his time on more pressing issues. Unfortunately the NCAA is just as political as congress, and the only the only thing that will change the current system is if a new system would line the right pockets, and especially benefit the BCS conferences.
That's the problem...
The NCAA doesn’t market this as a National Championship game… it’s the BCS championship game. TV is the one trying to sell it as the National Championship.
yes, but it is marketed that way
which is how they are trying to get the FTC involved… either way it is stupid
by nolesblogger on Dec 15, 2008 3:02 PM EST up reply actions
Theres actually quite a few people who feel that way
it isn’t reflected in the poll (at least not yet)… but i have talked to many people before that enjoy the current system and how much emphasis is on the regular season… the people making the decisions also seem to like it the way it is
by nolesblogger on Dec 15, 2008 3:06 PM EST up reply actions
I'd actually prefer less emphasis placed on the polls as they are currently constructed.
But I figured “like it the way it is” is the closest thing to my opinion on there.
Yes
many of the voters don’t know a whole lot and are biased… you can also get screwed if you are not very well respected at the beginning of the season for whatever reason (i.e. Auburn circa 2004)
by nolesblogger on Dec 15, 2008 3:14 PM EST up reply actions
I do think people would still enjoy the
regular season. It just would make every loss as costly. Who knows, maybe there would be fewer heart attacks.
I dont like the BCS because it can’t account for everything. I don’t like playoff because it wouldn’t account for everything as to who was in, it would then either be left up to the SAME system to decide that or media members (and Lord knows we don’t want this).
I was always a proponent of the plus-1 system, but then I dont know how you would decide who gets that extra shot.
There is no perfect system. The systems a whore but shes my mother.
I agree... there's no perfect system.
In 2005 I didn’t need one more game or a playoff or anything to know that Texas and USC were the best 2 teams and they should play for the Championship.
I actually attended that Rose Bowl and left the game thinking that any system where those 2 teams did not meet for the title would be a flawed system.
The BCS is a system that rewards elite teams. If you separate yourself from the pack you deserve to be in the title game. 1999 Florida State did that. 2001 Miami did that. 2005 Texas and USC did that. The BCS put those teams in the title games. I don’t think any of those teams needed to prove anything more than what they already did in the regular season. Can you imagine the uproar among our fanbase if a wire-to-wire FSU team got upset by a point to a 4-loss team at a neutral site in late December? “We know you won all of your scheduled games, but your 1 loss is more important than their 4 losses.”
It’s when you don’t have that separation that the problems arise.
This has 1 problem I see right off the bat
If you had a 5 week tourney it would take too long unless you started the week after conference championship games… by starting it right away teams would only be playing through the first week of school for some schools and not at all for others… the problem with this is that conferences that don’t have a champ game would have the advantage of having a week off before the playoffs to rest and heal any injuries
I think a 12 team playoff would be better cause you could move it back a week so no teams have back to back games… but I like your idea of top 4 conference winners getting a bye (instead of just the top 4 teams) it could look something like this for this year
8. Texas Tech
9. Boise St.
1. Oklahoma
winner of 8 vs. 9
4. Penn St.
winner of 5 vs. 12
5. Texas
12. Va Tech
6. Bama
11. Cincy
3. USC
winner of 6 vs. 11
2. Florida
winner of 7 vs. 10
7. Utah
10. Ohio St.
I think this could work very well… it obviously needs some tweaking… all these games could happen on Saturdays with other bowl games happening during the week… any questions, comments, or suggestions?
by nolesblogger on Dec 15, 2008 4:20 PM EST up reply actions
I'm less concerned
with ensuring that the two best teams meet for the national championship than I am with maximizing the number of high quality football games which is I why I support a playoff. I’m a Texas fan and I wouldn’t have pitched a fit if Texas went 12-0 in the regular season in 05’ and then lost in the playoff. I think it would be silly to behave otherwise.
We seem to disagree based on first principles here, and I don’t think that’s ultimately resolvable.
by andy_wooster on Dec 15, 2008 4:21 PM EST up reply actions
there is no right anwser
they say they dont want more games because it takes away from school. That is BS. They can still have the Bowl games for the teams that didnt make it in the playoffs. and the playoffs dont have to be all that hard top8 or the +2 system. Who cares someone fix it so we can find something else to complain about.
"Government is not the solution to our problems; government is the problem." Ronald Reagan
Why is the government even getting involved? They should be worried other things, I assume.
I agree with MattDNole that there is no perfect system, but the government should not get involved at all costs.
Our goal is simple: Best in the land
I dont think
There is a perfect answer, however the current system needs changed.
The current system is FINE
You know what makes college football great? Knowing that every game matters, and any game can screw up someone’s season.
You know why the NFL is kind of dull? Because single games don’t matter. You can lose 7 games in a year and “win” the championship. One loss means nothing. In CFB, one loss and your title hopes are gone. This means that EVERY saturday is like a playoff, because EVERY game is a must-win.
You want CFB to become college basketball? Where the champion is just the team that played best for a couple of weeks in january? No, you make it the best team for the whole year. Did you guys like the SEC championship game? Ok, so the result wasn’t good, but the drama was great. If we have some 8 team playoff that game would mean nothing. You really think Urban would have gotten up in front of his guys saying “come on men, this is for the #2 seed!!”??
What makes college football the best sporting league in America is the regular season is so important. Making a playoff ruins this.
It would be as important as it is in the NFL
Which means in the final weeks teams would rest their stars and teams that have no business being in the running still are.
by tdchrisdavis on Dec 15, 2008 4:22 PM EST up reply actions
The regular season would still have its importance
cause if you slipped up in the regular season you wouldn’t be able to make the playoffs or would have a tougher road to the championship
by nolesblogger on Dec 15, 2008 4:24 PM EST up reply actions
So then VT should be in the playoffs but Texas shouldn't?
by tdchrisdavis on Dec 15, 2008 4:25 PM EST up reply actions
i also like the format chilean nole just posted way at the top
by nolesblogger on Dec 15, 2008 4:28 PM EST up reply actions
Thanks
I still think the 8-team at large is the best solution. But the 12 or 16 team is the most feasible becasue of the power of the conferences and bowls. If you read my scenario you can see that the bowls would still be very important.
Tell me this, which is more exciting
College football but discard FSU games
or the NFL
If you say the NFL then fine, if you say college football… then why do you want it to take on an NFL system?
by tdchrisdavis on Dec 15, 2008 4:29 PM EST up reply actions
What makes college football exciting then?
It is because every game matters.
Remember Tx-TT? OU-OSU? UF-Bama? Those games were classics, because of what was at stake.
If it’s a 12 team playoff then those games are as exciting as Duke-Virginia, because they mean nothing just bragging rights.
by tdchrisdavis on Dec 15, 2008 4:31 PM EST up reply actions
It's not like the games would suddenly become terrible with a playoff.
Our goal is simple: Best in the land
How would UF-Bama have mattered?
Some bragging rights?
by tdchrisdavis on Dec 15, 2008 4:35 PM EST up reply actions
Homefield? I thought you said use bowl sites
by tdchrisdavis on Dec 15, 2008 4:37 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly
OOS may suffer but you swould still a really good season to qualify and better yet get homefield.
I like the bowl sites idea.
Play the playoff games at big bowl sites.
Our goal is simple: Best in the land
lessened drama in the regular season would be more than made up for by heightened drama in the postseason
As it is, there are only a couple of exciting bowl games each year, at most. And the the regular season wouldn’t suffer too much under an eight team playoff, because it would still be pretty hard to get into.
by andy_wooster on Dec 15, 2008 4:24 PM EST up reply actions
Every bowl is exciting
to me.
The regular season would suffer for sure. We could have beaten UF and they still would have made this tourney.
OU could have lost to Missouri and they wouldn’t get in.
And still, even with a playoff you’d have teams like Boise State wondering why they are not in.
by tdchrisdavis on Dec 15, 2008 4:27 PM EST up reply actions
Do you really enjoy watching the Eaglebank bowl?
there are already too many bowls.
Our goal is simple: Best in the land
Too many bowls?
You’d rather watch the NBA? You’d rather watch some high school dunk contest? Or whatever else espn shows? It is a chance for exciting teams to play.
Of the 34 bowls, at least 30 sound interesting to me.
by tdchrisdavis on Dec 15, 2008 4:30 PM EST up reply actions
you also have failed to recognize that bowl games could still take place for teams that don't make the tourney
by nolesblogger on Dec 15, 2008 4:31 PM EST up reply actions
yes
and still have other teams play in games like the Emrald Bowl that tdchrisdavis loves so much
by nolesblogger on Dec 15, 2008 4:33 PM EST up reply actions
If you don't like the other bowls don't watch
The regular season is what makes CFB so good, I don’t see why you’d want to hurt the importance of it.
by tdchrisdavis on Dec 15, 2008 4:35 PM EST up reply actions
the regular season wouldnt go away
and netiher would the other bowls… we would just be adding to it
by nolesblogger on Dec 15, 2008 4:37 PM EST up reply actions
Addition by subtraction
Well, not really.
Yes, the postseason would be thrilling, but as I’ve been saying, it’s the regular season that makes college football so great, and when the postseason matters more towards determining a champion… that means the regular season matters less.
by tdchrisdavis on Dec 15, 2008 4:39 PM EST up reply actions
Yes it would
Bama would still be in the running. Texas would. All those teams would.
If you make something more important, that makes something else less important.
by tdchrisdavis on Dec 15, 2008 4:41 PM EST up reply actions
I recognize that
I’m just saying that there are people who say they wont watch the other BCS games because they don’t mean anything. And I disagree with them.
by tdchrisdavis on Dec 15, 2008 4:33 PM EST up reply actions
The winner of D-2 or 1-AA had 3 losses
That is ridiculous.
College football was the first major sport in this country – it was big before CBB, before the NFL, even before MLB. It doesn’t need to conform to their setup, it’s lasted 100+ years I think it knows what it is doing!!
No playoff system has been around for 100+ years
BCS is whatever, we could use the AP poll, it doesn’t matter to me.
by tdchrisdavis on Dec 15, 2008 4:22 PM EST up reply actions
Say that FSU beats UF in 2010. Both teams have 1 loss. However, FSU lost to a team with 3 losses.
In the end, based on their conference, UF gets the BCS bid. How would you feel then?
Our goal is simple: Best in the land
How would you feel if FSU went 13-0 and then lost in the first round to some 9-3 team?
by tdchrisdavis on Dec 15, 2008 4:30 PM EST up reply actions
So how would you feel if you were all geared for the ACC champ game
It’s FSU vs whomever. Let’s say were both 11-1. And both teams play like NFLers in game 16, resting our players.
You’d say whatever it’s for the best? No, you’d ask for your money back.
by tdchrisdavis on Dec 15, 2008 4:34 PM EST up reply actions
Why would we play like NFLers.
Your team could get passed up for an at large if you are unimpressive.
Our goal is simple: Best in the land
exactly
or secure a better seed by winning the conference
by nolesblogger on Dec 15, 2008 4:36 PM EST up reply actions
So what if we lose in the champ game and we're 11-2
And we get edged out by Boise State for that last spot?
It’s still controversy, and you’d be saying we could have won it all if we’d been in there.
by tdchrisdavis on Dec 15, 2008 4:36 PM EST up reply actions
Just like if you lose in the conference game now
either scenario you don’t get a chance to win a national title
by nolesblogger on Dec 15, 2008 4:40 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, it's fine
How would you have felt in 99 if we had to win 3 or 4 playoff games to become national champions? After all our hard work in the regular season we shouldn’t have to win all those games vs lesser teams who lost multiple games.
by tdchrisdavis on Dec 15, 2008 4:41 PM EST up reply actions
I would've liked it. More times watching the Noles romp.
As I said, if another team beat us, they won it fair and square. The great teams would rise above the pack and beat those lesser teams.
Our goal is simple: Best in the land
I would feel even better after we won those other games
by nolesblogger on Dec 15, 2008 4:43 PM EST up reply actions
I wish they took margin of victory into account.
UF is clearly the best team in America, drilling basically everyone by 24+, meanwhile some teams squeak by while playing a poor non-conference schedule.
Well they do don't they
AP voters (for the most part) watch the games.
And the computers love margin of victory.
by tdchrisdavis on Dec 15, 2008 4:49 PM EST up reply actions
not really
AP Poll withdrew from being factored into BCS and computers are not supposed to factor in margin of victory
by nolesblogger on Dec 15, 2008 4:53 PM EST up reply actions
NO, the computers are NOT allowed to factor it in.
Jess Sagarin complains about this all the time and has blatantly stated “the BCS doesn’t let me submit my most accurate ranking.”
Really?
I was pretty sure they allow margin of victory.
Even if it’s just the coaches and harris poll though, that still makes it a factor.
by tdchrisdavis on Dec 15, 2008 4:56 PM EST up reply actions
yeah to an extent
but for the most part voters are dumb and biased which makes the system very flawed
by nolesblogger on Dec 15, 2008 4:57 PM EST up reply actions
So how are you going to decide the at-large teams in the playoff system
by tdchrisdavis on Dec 15, 2008 4:58 PM EST up reply actions
nobody is saying it would be perfect but it would be much better
by nolesblogger on Dec 15, 2008 5:00 PM EST up reply actions
Margin of victory used to factor in.
I think they took it out after 2000 fiasco.
Our goal is simple: Best in the land
2000 was when the BCS finally got it right
just kidding…
by tdchrisdavis on Dec 15, 2008 4:59 PM EST up reply actions
That was just ridiculous that year.
Consider we had Bush vs Gore and FSU vs Miami vs Washington.
Our goal is simple: Best in the land
Just to clarify
Is this guy really gonna go up in front of congress in the middle of bailout discussions and say “So now lets get down to business… college football…”
???
no vote or anything yet though
just a proposal
by nolesblogger on Dec 15, 2008 4:45 PM EST up reply actions
He's probably not even a sports fan
Just trying to get Texas votes.
by tdchrisdavis on Dec 15, 2008 4:45 PM EST up reply actions
he probably read his hometown paper.
or he got a lot of e-mails.
Our goal is simple: Best in the land
Dear congressman, there is a great injustice being done to me
My team isn’t in the championship game.
by tdchrisdavis on Dec 15, 2008 4:47 PM EST up reply actions
Wikipedia
Under this Act, the FTC is empowered, among other things, to (a) prevent unfair methods of competition, and unfair or deceptive acts or practices in or affecting commerce; (b) seek monetary redress and other relief for conduct injurious to consumers; © prescribe trade regulation rules defining with specificity acts or practices that are unfair or deceptive, and establishing requirements designed to prevent such acts or practices; (d) conduct investigations relating to the organization, business, practices, and management of entities engaged in commerce; and (e) make reports and legislative recommendations to Congress.
And this guy is a republican? yea, he’s really bringing out their “small government” agenda.
I'm considering joining the Libertarian Party. *kind of sarcasm*
Republican Party has gone to heck except for a few strong people. How the heck does someone like McCain get the nomination?
Our goal is simple: Best in the land
I wrote a small paper on FTC.
This isn’t a legit thing and they aren’t really considering it. This was just a fun poll topic.
Pretty much
but don’t tell this Congressman… I think he thinks it may hold up
by nolesblogger on Dec 15, 2008 4:59 PM EST up reply actions
I didn't vote that I like the current system...
but I haven’t seen anything proposed that I like more than the BCS. I think Texas got hosed, but I agree that a playoff would effectively kill the excitement of the regular season. I think the biggest flaw in the system is voter bias. To this day I can’t fathom how anyone values any team in the Big Ten. I think it is the most miserable conference in the world. I was rooting for Penn State to get to the Championship so that they could get embarassed by Florida.
I know I’m not the first to say this, but the BCS has become and art of scheduling and creating conference bias. I don’t know what the hell people are smoking when they chant S-E-C, because other than UF and Bama every other team looked as mediocre as any other team.
The only thought I can add to the playoff formula is a mandate that FBS teams should no longer be allowed to play FCS teams. Teams should have to play a minimum of two nonconference games against big conference teams. I think that would create a little more excitement for the regular season. There should be some sort of incentive for a conference playing exceptionally against the others; maybe an extra playoff spot or something. It might also expose some conferences such as the Big 10 for what they are; glorified women’s bbbal conferences.
You make good points, but...
Anyone who approved of FSU going over Miami when Miami beat us really can’t argue against OU, and
2. Texas got burned by a horrible non-conference schedule.
Let's not talk about that 2000 Miami game. I was so angry during and after that dang game.
I think I broke something in my hand that game. One of my fingers was at an angle for a while after.
Our goal is simple: Best in the land
The BCS is garbage but
I think they got the right teams this year. Uf is the best team in college football right now. I think OU is the only team other than USC. I think all the other schools have a great reason why they should be there but I think they have to 2 best teams. Bt the way UF is going to win
I was referring to getting shut out of their championship game by the BCS ranking
It was a rule before the season began, I just think it’s a stupid rule. I think it was pretty clear to see that whichever team came out of that tiebreaker would win the conference. There’s too many crappy teams in the North.
I have no problem with the BCS #1 vs #2 playing eachother. I just think if Texas was put into the Big 12 C-ship they a)would have won and b) would have been in the BCS C-ship
BTW, I have no problem with USC getting shut out. I think(keyword there) they are good, but who the hell knows? They beat OSU. That means nothing to me.
I wish the BCS games were the Playoffs.
think about that. there are 4 of them right then the 4 winners play again then there are 2 and then they go at it. that would only be 3 more games. and then you can still have all the bowl games left. You have the play offs in Dec and then still have the NC on Jan 8
Why not utilize the conference championship games then?
Use some sort of system like the English Premiere League. Teams from non-BCS conferences can move into BCS conferences by finishing with good records while crappy teams get booted. Add enough teams to the Big Ten and Big East so they have championship games. Then the regular season would still be important and teams wouldn’t feel like they were playing their seasons for nothing.
I’m still not sold, but no one offers any solutions to the problems that people have with the playoff system.
Your not the only one
I was so pissed after that game. It actually came on tv the other day and i watched it. I still got mad lol.
I got on YouTube today and was just watching some FSU clips.
Without thinking, I mistakenly clicked on a video that said FSU-Miami 2000. Just one tiny problem. I didn’t see the year.
You’ve never seen someone close out the Internet faster than I did.
Our goal is simple: Best in the land
Tbhe BCS has a good Idea with bad results
I think they tried to come up with an idea to make money and see good football games. I dont want to see the bowl go but I want to see the best teams in the US to play each other in a way that there can be only one.
‘01, when Nebraska went to the title game and got smoked by Miami.
03’ with OU going over USC resulting in the split title.
arguably ’04
This year are too many one loss teams from BCS conferences to ever confidently say that the BCS got it right.
by andy_wooster on Dec 15, 2008 11:17 PM EST up reply actions
Okay
I agree with ’01 and ’03.
Texas needed to play more than 1 BCS team out of conference, or make sure that the non-bcs schools were the quality of a TCU, not rice. I guess we will see what happens. I expect UF to beat OU 35-27.
by Bud Elliott on Dec 15, 2008 11:29 PM EST up reply actions
as a Texas fan
I’m not bitching and whining about anything. Texas definitely screwed the pooch with their OOC scheduling and by losing to a Texas Tech team that OU beat by 44. Texas made their own bed and now has to lie in it. I’m coming at this from a neutral perspective.
Florida and OU may be the best two teams in the country (though I think USC should be in the conversation). My point is that there are seven one-loss BCS teams, most of whom have almost no overlap on their schedules. I just don’t think you can definitively say that the two most deserving teams are in the title game. You can certainly make that argument, but I say that this is a year where we have too much of a clusterf*ck for the current system to effectively handle.
by andy_wooster on Dec 16, 2008 2:31 AM EST up reply actions
Fair enough.
A playoff would be great. Why not use the BCS to seed the playoff teams? No conference champions stuff. The ACC and big east don’t deserve one.
I think that all the conf should have a rep.
I think all the conf should have a rep if not then the BCS games should be the play off. with how they have it now the 4 bowl then the winners play again then those winners play for the champ game.
rumor going around is that UF just landed
3 4* recruits and a 5*, Jelani Jenkins. I was expecting Jenkins. A lot of smoke was getting blown around that Jenkins was favoring PSU, and Penn State is very close to Maryland, but I never believed it. It’s really hard to imagine any elite recruit choosing to play for Paterno over Meyer.
well Jenkins is from PA so that may factor in
he has also been rumored to be a silent to PSU… FSU has been burnt by silent commits so many times that I don’t count any kid in a class unless they have committed publicly
either way though they could be landing a sick LB class and probably will
by nolesblogger on Dec 15, 2008 11:19 PM EST up reply actions
Jenkins is actually from Maryland
or did you mean that he lived in PA before Maryland?
He may be a kid who gives silents to every school he visits. FSU has been burned by a few of those guys (Deonte Thompson). But as I said in my last post, I can’t see an elite recruit choosing to go to PSU over Florida right now, even one from the mid-Atlantic region.
by andy_wooster on Dec 15, 2008 11:25 PM EST up reply actions
you're right
i don’t know why i was confused there
by nolesblogger on Dec 15, 2008 11:46 PM EST up reply actions
That isn't good for us.
The hole seemingly keeps getting bigger and bigger. UF should and will continue to dominate FSU until we commit to actually making an attempt to win. We’re not committed to anything other than pageantry right now.
by Bud Elliott on Dec 15, 2008 11:26 PM EST up reply actions
Matt has an idea for an upcoming recruiting thread, and I hesitate to write things like this, but...
one of the upcoming Wednesday questions will ask what UF commits we wanted and who of our commits UF offered. The results aren’t pretty.
by Bud Elliott on Dec 15, 2008 11:57 PM EST up reply actions
no way
Tebow was everything for UF last year and they went what 9-3 or something like that. This year he didnt win the Hisman because he has so much talent around him. On the UF team anyone can score at any time. The whole team is a threat. not just Tebow.
I agree
but I also like our class right now… we just need to fill a few holes
i also don’t know what their offense will be like after tebow leaves… john brantley is nowhere near the same player he is
by nolesblogger on Dec 15, 2008 11:48 PM EST up reply actions
they're just on another level right now
In all honesty I don’t think FSU is capable of competing with UF on the recruiting trail right now. The lopsided nature of the rivalry in recent years combined with their overall success is a lethal combination. Obviously the albatrosses that Florida State is currently carrying aren’t helping things, either.
But I’m confident that Jimbo will eventually get the job done if given enough time. He’s recruiting very well now, and this increase in talent combined with improved coaching will mean more wins. More wins will mean even better recruiting, which in turn leads to even more wins. It’s a virtuous cycle. Along the way Jimbo cuts ties with some of the less-productive staff members, and bam, there it is.
by andy_wooster on Dec 16, 2008 2:53 AM EST up reply actions
But I’m confident that Jimbo will eventually get the job done if given enough time.
Agreed, but I don’t believe he will as people will fail to account for the fatc that he is working against coaches on his own staff who either lack the ability to coach at a high level anymore, or care more about self promotion and adversarial posturing, than winning. Jimbo will need 3 years to beat UF once Bowden retires, I think, unless an important gator has a major injury leading up to a game in 2010 or 2012 (games in Tallahassee).
I expect people to fail to account for the major hindrance that is Bowden, and jettison Jimbo much too soon. Okay, that was depressing.
I think the Noles can win the ACC in 2010, however, and that would be a huge step. as for 2009, maintaining 8-4 in the 12 regular season games, while not losing by 42+ to the Gators would be huge. I think both are unlikely.
I also expect us to start ruthlessly cutting kids like Alabama does.
Jimbo will need 3 years to beat UF once Bowden retires, I think, unless an important gator has a major injury leading up to a game in 2010 or 2012 (games in Tallahassee).
I expect people to fail to account for the major hindrance that is Bowden, and jettison Jimbo much too soon. Okay, that was depressing.
I’m praying every day that Bowden is gone after next year, and I think it happens. Will FSU really pay Jimbo 5 million at that point so that they can continue to pay Bobby 2 million+ per year to do essentially nothing? What a royal screwjob that would be to everyone associated with Florida State University. I would hope lynch mobs would be forming at that point to avenge that injustice. I’d drop whatever I was doing and grab my pitchfork and torch and join up. But I don’t think it comes to that.
I think the program will turn around extremely quickly at that point. I can definitely see an ACC title in 2010 (and not something similar to the 8-6 title in 2005, either). Even if we’re still losing to Florida in 2011 and 2012, I’d expect very strong results in conference to balance that out.
I’m admittedly an optimist, but that’s how I think it will shake out.
by andy_wooster on Dec 16, 2008 8:33 PM EST up reply actions
He is due the 5 million in late January 2011, not 2010, unfortunately
by Bud Elliott on Dec 17, 2008 12:20 AM EST up reply actions
as for cutting kids like Alabama
I support it. These days there is so much pressure on a coach to win immediately. If he’s recruiting at a much higher level than his predecessor, then not cutting some of the dead weight holdovers from the previous era is a major hindrance. It’s not the “nice” thing to do, but the system doesn’t really encourage niceness.
Running up the score, forbidding your commitments from visiting other schools while continuing to recruit kids that are committed elsewhere, and cutting dead-weight are necessary “evils” IMO.
by andy_wooster on Dec 16, 2008 8:40 PM EST up reply actions
It just makes sense.
If you want to win, and you are not doing LEGAL things that winning programs are doing, you are not seriously committed to winning.
by Bud Elliott on Dec 17, 2008 12:22 AM EST up reply actions
I'm sorry but the bowl system just needs to go
Outside of the Super Bowl and World Series, does any other championship game/series pull higher ratings than the BCS title game? It’s an embarresment that these things are settled by writers, computers, etc. IMO, make it a 16 team playoff where the 5 main conference (Sorry Big East) champions and the 3 highest rated other conference champions get automatic bids and host a first round game, with 8 wild cards as the road teams. Ie, in a year like this
1. Oklahoma
2. UF
3. USC
4. Penn St
5. Utah
6. Boise St
7. Va tech
8. Cincinnati
9. Texas
10. Alabama
11. Texas Tech
12. Ohio St
13. Oklahoma St
14. Georgia Tech
15. Oregon
16. Georgia
"I smoke. If this bothers anyone, I suggest you look around at the world in which we live and shut your mouth."-Bill Hicks
by Jonathan Loesche on Dec 16, 2008 12:14 PM EST reply actions
I think the best legal device for effecting post-season reform would be for Congress to re-evaluate, or to threaten to re-evaluate, the merits of the NCAA’s tax exempt status — that might encourage the NCAA and the BCS to work together on reforming the post-season.
-Sports Law Professor and SI.com contributor Michael McCann
http://sports-law.blogspot.com/2008/11/president-elect-obama-and-college.html
Basically it comes down to
do you want to devalue conference champions or not? If you want an 8- or 16-team playoff, then that means devaluing a conference title (not to mention the regular season) and making a handful of games at the end of the year meaningless. Imagine a hypothetical 11-0 Florida vs. 11-0 FSU game; that would have no real weight other than seeding. It would suck losing to your rival … but never fear, cause you might play them again. There would be a lot of November games that mean nothing when you play them and some earlier games that would later be rendered meaningless.
If you go the other way and hold an 8-team playoff with only conference champs (let’s say six BCS league champs and the top two non-BCS champs), then you run into the “unworthy” argument by allowing in a Cincinnati and a Va. Tech while leaving out a Texas and an Alabama. And this also would need a good non-BCS year like this one when you end up with a Utah AND a Boise State, two schools that have an argument for being included. In some years you might end up with a two-loss Tulsa team or something.
My playoff would try to find a happy medium; I would do a plus-one (a 4-team playoff), with the top four league champs according to the BCS rankings. That would mean No. 1 Oklahoma vs. No. 6 Utah in one semifinal and No. 2 Florida vs. No. 5 USC in the other (last year would have been No. 1 Ohio State vs. No. 4 Oklahoma and No. 2 LSU vs. No. 3 Va. Tech). Of course, this isn’t perfect because it leaves out Alabama and Texas, but by honoring the league champs, that is how I would keep the regular season meaningful while also having a playoff.
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