How do 'Nole Fans feel about Florida's recent success?
by Gatorpilot on Dec 16, 2008 2:54 PM EST
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Please know that I am not trying to instigate a flame war. Just an honest exchange of views.
Florida is arguably at their all-time height of success. Playing for two national titles in the last three years. Heisman Trophies. Top 3 recruiting classes. Massive national press and love for our quarterback.
Meanwhile FSU is at a true nadir. Academic scandals, NCAA sanctions looming, terrible player development and a product on the field that is frankly barely above average in the realm of college football. After a long stretch of representing the ELITE of the sport, the 'Noles are now just another name in a crowded bucket filed with average teams.
And of course it doesn't help that FSU has only been competitive in one game against the Gators during Meyer's 4-year reign. (A game they lost, obviously.)
What is the general consensus here? Is Florida's success driving FSU fans crazy? Is it making it more difficult to be patient for a program turnaround, one which seems indefinitely delayed so long as Bobby Bowden hangs around as a figurehead leader?
I have seen positive signs under Jimbo Fisher but they are only small glints of what the future may bring. Is Florida's success making it more difficult for FSU to return to the elite level of college football?
Thanks for CIVIL discussion on this topic. I am genuinely curious.
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It used to drive me crazy, but I just don't care anymore. Bobby Bowden has killed this program
and we are a lot further off than many realize/ want to believe. We have people here who drop “national championship” and “2010” in the same sentence. I’ll get blasted for this, but we are a joke of a program right now and there is no way I would play for FSU is I were a top recruit. No way.
If FSU can’t commit to making a reasonable effort at winning for my four years, why should I sign with them?
UF is as good as they are primarily because FSU is so down. When one team is down in Florida, the other 2 really benefit.
I can never see the storm coming Uncensored.
I only see negatives with the program when we lose or when you point it out. I have no clue what Chuck Amato does. I didn’t know Dexter Carter didn’t pass the recruiting exam. I just watch the product that we put on the field. Some days it looks like we should be killing other teams, some days we look awful. Other than seeing us lose, I can’t see where the product of winning and losing comes from. We’re we really dominant or did we just play crappy teams for so long?
To answer Gatorpilot: I’d like to be good. I think it’s near impossible to sustain the success FSU had, but it kills me to see us not be able to compete with a rival for so long. I realize it’s pointless to look at the season and say we were successful if we beat Florida, but if we’re not playing for a NC, beating Florida is about the only consolation. Then again, an even tougher question would be would I rather be completely dominated by Florida or lose by 1 point. If it is the former, I would assume my cardiovascular system would last a few more years.
Wease
My bad. I just got annoyed listening to the radio this morning, because the guys on there were saying some things that were exactly right.
As to this:
We’re we really dominant or did we just play crappy teams for so long?
We were dominant. I do think we played pretty weak competition for the most part, outside of the few big games each year. What FSU really didn’t face before the ACC got much better was attrition and the grind. We had weeks and weeks to prep for the big games. Still, you play your schedule, and they let us play for (and occasionally we did win) the National Championship.
This program is still a lot better off than MANY programs. As someone who evaluates performance against potential, however, it is really sad to see where this program currently sits.
I see this a lot, and I have to disagree when people say we played weak competition in the '90's.
“We had weeks and weeks to prep for the big games.” So did everyone else. The SEC was a very average conference in the ’90’s. And no one in the SEC played the likes of Notre Dame, Miami, Michigan, Florida (as an OOC opponent), USC, Texas A&M, along with a full round-robin schedule of ACC teams, which just happened to make up the winningest bowl conference of the ’90’s. Our schedules cost us many more national championship game appearances than it gave us access to. Ask Miami. (To add to the point, see my below thread about Florida. The SEC didn’t keep the Gators out of national championship games. We did.)
However, feel free to pile on the mess now. It’s a joke. I don’t think the conference has improved much since the ’90’s (which is fine because, again, I don’t accept the premise that the ACC was ever awful). Conversely, I think we’ve dropped that far. I think we were that far ahead then and that far behind now. We didn’t win an ACC Atlantic division game in 2006. Wake Forest only beat us 30-0 at home that year. Hell, that doesn’t even seem like a big deal anymore, does it? It should be unfathomable.
Welcome back, Uncensored. It’s amazing you can devote so much time to this site with law finals, etc. That’s pretty unfathomable too!
Truth be told,
Tax was really difficult. My next one is poverty, a class I took only to fill a spot in my schedule. Poverty law isn’t anywhere as difficult as Tax.
TRMN, I guess we will just agree to disagree regarding the strength of the ACC in the 90’s. I think the Noles did a great job scheduling marquee games throughout the 90’s.
WOW! I didn’t realize we didn’t win a division game in ’06. We could win our division next year, as the Coastal will be loaded and the Atlantic might be a bit down.
You had me at "really difficult."
I graduated with a math degree because I didn’t know what I wanted to do in life and, well, I thought I was really good at math. I did great until the second half of my junior year. FSU generously pushed me through the system.
“I think the Noles did a great job scheduling marquee games throughout the 90’s.” No problem on agreeing to disagree on the strength of the ACC in the ’90’s, but I want youngsters (not that I’m an old-timer) to understand that Florida State did in fact continue their tradition of playing anyone, anytime, anyplace in the ’90’s. If the ACC was down, FSU more than made up for it with insane OOC schedules when no one else in the country did. How insane does Oklahoma in 2010 and 2011 all of a sudden seem now? BYU, Oklahoma, Florida, (Miami as an OOC opponent) on a single schedule in any year during the ’90’s would have been a bare-minimum expectation for fans of the program. And if we went 11-1 or 10-2 because of it, we took it on the chin and went on. FSU fans didn’t (and still don’t) accept advantageous scheduling.
It certainly would have its place now.
But with the marketing nightmare FSU already has on its hands… Oh boy, what hasn’t become just a giant cluster**** these days? It’s unfortunate that the simplest conversation can’t NOT devolve into the same ol’ same, but you know what, that’s just the way it is right now. I love when posters at some sites will ask things like, “Why does every thread get turned into a Bobby bashing thread?” Well geez, why don’t you spend a good five minutes thinking about that question!
Great work on the basketball game tonight with TC and the others – my wife and I are finally going digital in January, maybe we’ll get FSN and other essential networks we’re not getting now. Reading some of the posts, I’m excited at the prospect of baseball coverage here, essential for out-of-towners who learned to love the baseball team while in Tally, and the contributors to this site will provide the best coverage on the net, no question.
You're correct.
We had the SOC debate with the gators in the 90’s, and they lost. Our SOC was perennially in the top 5. The strength of schedule for the SEC teams, including UF? Well, they didn’t want to talk about that.
wow wow wow
i think that florida will only be as good as thier QB because of their type of offence. and they the smartest one in the ncaa. period………. Teabow is good. But what do they have when hes gone.
our program is not as bad as people think trust me or not i dont care. our deffence may be down a little next season, but i think our offense will continue to improve. With saying that i respect the recruiting job of Ervin M. at Florida thats the reason for what they have done so far.
This is stretching it but my opinion is that we well when the acc title game next year and possibly play for a bowl game. the top recruits we are loosing (that we need) is DB. but fsu always finds a way to turn athletic players into Skilled Position Players. It works guys. It works.
floridas success
Florida is a good team, not great but good. they can be stopped. we proved that in first quarter this year. but stupid devensive play calling changes proved to kill us in the second quarter. now i know your thinking im crazy, but their were a few games this season that florida will lose without teabow. Alabama, kentucky. Look they will prove their awsome if they dominate Oklahoma, because they run fsu deffense correctly with a superiour all around balanced offense. Note. I hate Oklahoma, and Ohio State.
Um, Florida has better players at nearly every position.
Their dominance is far more than Tebow.
They have 9 coaches who are involved in coaching, full time.
We have 7 (6 if you think Amato is a complete waste)
Ever try playing 6 on 9? Tough to do. They are killing us in recruiting, and then doing a much better job developing that talent.
What FSU player would you take over a florida player?
There are 22 starters. I would take:
Rodney Hudson on offense
Everette Brown (over Dunlap)
Dekoda Watson (over the non spike-doe spot)
Patrick Robinsin (over Haden)
Thats 4 of 22. They have better players at 18 of 22 spots. Tebow plays 1 spot.
UF is really one of the best teams we have seen in quite some time. The level of COACHING going on in Gainesville is unreal right now. It will get worse before it gets better.
our deffence may be down a little next season,
We lose 7 of 11 starters and could lose 9. Another year under Anddrews-Amato-Allen, yet we might be “down a little”? Really?
by Bud Elliott on Dec 16, 2008 11:01 PM EST up reply actions
FSUcensored, I agree entirely with your thinking.
(Maybe that’s because I’m an FSU COL grad! :) I came to FSU in 1985. Yes— I’m that old. I quickly became a passionate (some would say obsessed) fan. I’ve seen a lot over the last 23 years, enough to become less than enamored with our coaching many years ago. To me the current state is the culmination of trends I saw in the early 90’s. I pointed out these problems before it became in vogue to do so, and on certain other boards one still cannot do so without the BB worshipers coming out in force and attacking the messenger for always bashing their beloved hero. Too many people just do not want to talk about the root of the problem. Your analyses are like a breath of fresh air. But understand that they fall on predominantly deaf ears. A few can clearly see the train wreck getting worse before it’s over, but don’t be surprised if most people just aren’t that incisive and you end up taking a lot of live rounds. In 2010 you’ll be in position to deliver a very big “I told you so”— but what’s the point? People will believe what they want to believe about winning 10 games or the ACC or even the MNC. There are very few right now who will admit we are going to be even worse the next couple years than this year.
I agree with this,
but I’m not looking for the “I told you so.” I just want FSU to be good again. I’m also totally confident that if Bobby loved FSU as much as many say, we could keep him on in a Jon Wooden capacity for fund raising purposes.
by Bud Elliott on Dec 17, 2008 12:11 PM EST up reply actions
I pretty much answered this question in another thread:
My post read:
It’s because we’re contributing to [Florida’s] success. This list doesn’t include all of FSU’s wins, but imagine what UF would have been in the ’90’s if not for Florida State:
1990: Florida would have finished 10-1 instead of 9-2 had Florida State not beaten the Gators. FSU put a serious dent in Spurrier’s debut splash with UF being ineligible for a bowl.
1993: Florida would have likely finished 12-1 and in the top 4 with Notre Dame, Auburn, and likely Nebraska.
1994: Florida would have likely finished 12-1 and likely #3 behind undefeated Penn State and Nebraska.
1998: Florida would have competed for the national championship in a rematch against Tennessee.
1999: Florida would have competed for the national championship against Virginia Tech.
Bottom line: We were the spoilers to UF’s success. Florida was on the doorstep to greatness long before Urban Meyer got to Gainesville, and we prevented the Gators from getting through that door, as we’re supposed to do, because Florida is our rival. If we win our home games against Florida this decade, UF doesn’t sniff a BCS national championship game. We’re not meeting minimum expectations, and if those expectations are too high for Coach Bowden, then it’s time to man up.
You are our rival--of course its annoying. This is a pretty stupid question.
My honest view to exchange for you is that Meyer has little class as a coach and Tebow is a great role model for kids until he loses.
The most annoying thing is that both programs have their share of off the field problems but the bad publicity Florida gets from it is about equal to hearing a negative thing about a democrat during election time on Good Morning America, while Florida State gets reamed and people eat it up.
This, by the way, was a much more appropriate response to the poster's question.
A gator goes trolling but doesn’t want to start a flame war? How do Gator fans feel about a former girl’s school beating them to a national championship? And how do they feel that it took this girl’s school half the time it took Florida to pull off the same feat? The girl’s school establishes a dynasty, and UF still has to send teenagers to rival fans’ sites to stir up heat before a national championship game because of an inferiority complex so large that not even winning a third national championship in 12 years will overcome the frustration that UF still hasn’t gone undefeated in 102 years of football – something Florida State did in just 50. Uncensored and Weasie are classy folks who have no problem discussing our issues, Gatorpilot, but please don’t think you’ve gotten over on anyone here.
I assure you...
…. that I am not trolling. I knew there’d be at least one response like yours, though. Hopefully that will be the last of it.
I won’t lie, I have absolutely enjoyed every second of FSU’s down cycle. It has been a glorious ride for Florida these past few years. However, we do need y’all to return to national prominence or one of college football’s greatest rivalries will die a slow and painful death.
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The rivalry will never die.
We get back to national prominence (hopefull within the next 10 years). The teams ebb and flow. I do not think the state of Florida or the nation will ever see something like the 1990s again.
Our goal is simple: Best in the land
Your sig says it all.
And you can expect plenty of responses like mine if you’re looking for honest, factual replies. (Isn’t that what you said you wanted?) I’m not happy that Florida’s up and Florida State’s down, but the grand-picture fact of the matter is that UF can’t hold a candle to Florida State as far as what has been accomplished on the football field (and off it for that matter) in the number of years the schools have been at it. It will take at least a decade of the type of success Florida is having now to catch up, and a hell of a lot of work from Bill Cervone, Jeremy Foley, and Urban Meyer’s successor to maintain the “massive national press and love” – wow, talk about act like you’ve been there before – more proof that you haven’t – and after that you’ll still have to live with the fact that the girl’s school did it all first and will still have 50 years to catch up. And what’s funny is even if FSU’s legacy didn’t already put such an embarrassing shame to yours, I’d simply have to say, eh, pick on someone your own size. That’s where it gets downright ugly. Your century-old peers like USC, Michigan, Texas, Oklahoma, Miami? Oh yeah, they each have more national championships than Florida has felons on their roster. But hey, I guess that’s not that ugly. At least none of those were girl’s schools.
Do me a favor. I think your question’s been answered by now. So stop wandering to our side of the web to look at the Warchant Cowgirls while typing with one hand. We don’t have time for this.
LOL.
10 years to catch up? Buddy, we have two NCs and are playing for a third on Jan. 8th. We’ve had great success in a conference which is at least two or three times more difficult to win in. We never had the chance to waltz into the NC playing an easy ACC slate. The question is, when will you catch up. Your take on this is hilarious, TRMNole.
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Wow, what a comeback.
Pardon me, I can’t type another word while curled up in the fetal position. If only you’d had a single point I hadn’t already shot down in this thread.
I’ll give you credit though. I was definitely wrong in my initial assessment. You certainly didn’t come prepared for a flame war.
Facts, they are a b**** to overcome.
You don't have near the consistent domination Florida State had
and you know it. You also know that despite having some poor ACC teams to play against Florida State was still a dominant team and always represented well in Bowl games. Please, if you wan’t our honest exchange of views please start being honest with yourself…. although I know the truth can be tough to swallow.
You posted on this site masquerading as though it was supposed to not be a flame war yet you go on to say how we are just average, etc. You intended to incite frustration and if not, you are not very self aware.
2 or 3 times? Really?!
I beg to differ. Look at the SEC vs. ACC record. ACC teams beat SEC teams 6-4 and 3 of the 4 losses came from AL and UF. Or maybe let’s see how many ACC teams are bowl eligible vs. SEC. 10 to your 8 (and 2 of those just barely).
You’ve got Bama and UF and after that the dropoff is STEEEeeeepppp. We lack a marquee team this year but I’ll take any of our 3-12 teams over yours.
I dont think we will win a NC in 2010. We might win the ACC in 2010 thats about it. I know Im prob one of the people that say stuff like we can go 12-0 next year buy the truth is no. About UF Rock on. I dont hold it agenst you. Its not your falt your momma dresses you funny. JK I would like to say Tim Tebow is a great person to look up to. I think UF is blessed by having him on there team. I dont think he is THE TEAM like some. UF has earned there way to where they are right now Unlike USC. Over the last few years the SEC has been one of the hardest conf. In college football and UF has been on top. I cant wait tell the UF Vs FSU can become one of the biggest games in the US. Good luck in the NC.
What frustrates me more than anything is our level of acceptance
It’s as if the fans, boosters, coaches, and even the players have come to accept our mediocrity. That it’s ok to lose a couple games a year, that it’s ok because the ACC has caught up with us, that it’s ok because we can never again achieve the level of unprecedented success we had in our “glory years.” I think that’s a complete cop out. The only thing i have seen Florida State do on a consistent basis over the last 8 years is make excuses for our lack of success.
I’m shocked that we have allowed this complacency to infect the entire FSU nation (administration, boosters,fans, coaches, players) for so long. And yet still nothing is being done. Why does it take Auburn firing it’s head coach to force TK’s hand to sign something giving Jimbo more “power”? How many years in a row is it going to take us not making the NCAA tourney before we fire Hamilton and bring in a real coach? It boggles the imagination the kind of wait-and-see attitude this entire university has adopted. No offense to Gatorpilot, but personally It makes me sick that a Gator fan is able to come onto this site and make a post like this because of all the success they have achieved, and the failures we have endured.
Where is the action? Where are all of those die hard fans and students? Where are those big money boosters and why aren’t they knocking on TK’s front door? Why are we just sitting around waiting…and waiting…and waiting??? What the heck are we waiting for? My first ever trip to Doak was this year at the Florida game and I don’t think it really hit me how far we have fallen until i saw all of the Gator fans there. I kept thinking, “Seriously? Alumni really sold their tickets to Gator fans?” I’m quite embarassed to say that we have become a program filled with “fair weather fans”.
what is it going to take before we wake up? i said it before in regards to the basketball team but i think it applies across the board, why are we reacting and why are we not being proactive?
I'm sorry that was your first game at Doak.
And I say that sincerely. Gosh, I’m apologizing. All I can say is I’ve missed two home games since 1991, and that was unlike anything I’d ever seen. I don’t know you, and it breaks my heart thinking about it.
I wish I had even a single answer to all your questions.
yeah it was best/worst weekend ever
best in that after 25 years i was finally able to get down there with my dad who attended FSU and brothers who have grown up die hard fans. worst in that it was a serious wake up call as to where we have fallen as a program.
trust me, i wish i had answers to my own questions. quite disheartening
Ren11 this is a good post
I’ll answer the students question by saying that for the most part, they left with me, in spring ’07.
The young guys have never known anything good with FSU. Think about this! How old were these college freshmen the last time FSU was nationally relevant? 11? 10?
It will probably take Bobby Bowden dying. I am beginning to think there is a better chance he dies than retires. Morbid? I don’t care. It’s just a realism thing. Anything past 73 as an American male is playing with house money. We won’t have a “wake up”, rather we will just let Jimbo do his thing and bring us up to speed.
ask the FR if they know who Nirvana is.
Thats the point. Most were not alive when Kert killed himself. The same about FSU they dont know about the We will face anyone, anywhere, anytime. Its something that we cant just fix. The only one that I think can do that right now is BB. If he steps down or lets the Def so Jimbo can get a new Def crew in I think FSU will get something back. If not maybe make a new and better tradition
sorry for the rant
i understand that we are in a unique situation with our coaching situation but it just seems that there are countless other programs who wouldn’t stand for this for as long as we have regardless of who the person is. and trust me, i want to make sure that we do it in an intelligent thought out way as opposed to making bold rash moves with no plan in place like a certain program which we will leave anonymous(cough cough Auburn cough)
it’s like we are more worried about tarnishing his legacy by forcing or gently pushing (since he at that age) him out the door, rather than stepping outside of the box and looking at the big picture. it just doesn’t make any sense whatsoever to me. complacency does not breed success. and we have become complacent.
it’s like we are more worried about tarnishing his legacy by forcing or gently pushing (since he at that age) him out the door, rather than stepping outside of the box and looking at the big picture.
This is why I don’t want Jimbo to stay for 20 years. Give us a good 10 or 15 and go. This is a business, not a family.
by Bud Elliott on Dec 17, 2008 12:02 PM EST up reply actions
FSU Apathy
I think part of it is that many fans/alumi feel that nothing will change while you have one of Bobby’s former players as School President. TK has Bobby’s best interest at heart and can not see that Bobby is killing the program that he built. Until TK and the big money boosters put the program ahead of hurtiing Bobby’s feelings then nothing will change.
One thing that also stands out for me during the comments was the “why does it always come back to bashing Bobby.” Well Bobby is the problem and has been for about 7 years.
His age and his ego got away from him. I honestly believe he began to feel like FSU would win simply because he was standing on the sidelines. The idea that he would resign if Jeffy wasn’t kept on is still too mind boggling for me to contemplate. He was either too lost to see the damage to the program or he didn’t care. Either way it is hard to pat the man on the back.
I am not the least concerned about any all time win records and Bobby did not seem to be either starting about 7 years ago. There was time when people, at least some, not me, thought well when Jeff gets his feet wet this thing will take off. It lead to a kind of inertia and then it started on the steep slope.
Everyone now should be able to see the problem from boosters, students, fans and especially the administration. The ball is really in the hands of the administration right now. If bad press, declining attendance and a host of other factors don’t do the trick I don’t what to say and that is the part that is frustrating.
Bobby Bowden will hang on until the day that Jimbo has to become coach or be paid 5 million dollars unless somebody steps in and simply says we have had enough.
It is not totally dismal as I do feel there is an offensive juggernaut in the making which will begin to show next year, but defense and special teams will be the same old same old, no discipline and helping to lose ball games. We might even win ten but it could be a lot better quicker than people think if something done on the defensive side and soon.
If not you are going to be playing football with one hand tied behind you. Maybe I am wrong, maybe the defense will suddenly pick up next year but I doubt it. I have seen too much of this. Stupid penalties, people out of position, arm tackling the list goes on.
Terrance Parks may come in and be the cover corner people are looking for, I hope so. I am still an alum and Seminole to the bitter end but it is frustrating.
Maybe Ponder or even Manuel can spark the offense enough next year to overcome some defensive shortcomings, I hope so. It doesn’t have to take forever. Georgia Tech with a first year coach almost won the ACC and they have much less talent the FSU.
Honestly I would like to see BB, Mickey and Amato come out at the end of this season and say they were retiring. If I were in T. K.’s shoes I can guarantee you they would be.
Doc I agree with most of this.
Did you see my article on how trickett is changing the mold, and the NFL is taking notice?
"'why does it always come back to bashing Bobby.' Well Bobby is the problem and has been for about 7 years."
Yeah, that was my point. Good read.
I applaud Florida's surge.
I don’t begrudge that. My problem is not with UF’s success— it’s with how FSU has become entangled in the typical Tallahassee political web and good ole boy network that lines the pockets of a few while absolutely ruining us. But what did we really expect when we hired a politician to be the university president?
This is how most here feel. UF wouldn’t be as good as they are without FSU and Miami being simultaneously down.
by Bud Elliott on Dec 17, 2008 12:04 PM EST up reply actions
I have a question
are there FSU “trolls” out there? I really hope not, because i can’t even begin to explain how annoying and childish some of these gator “trolls” are. It seems like every website that i read to try and get information from, except for this one thankfully, gets bogged down with the juvenile, asinine, incoherent posts of Gator fans. They are like bullies looking to start a fight on a playground.
not sure i know what the Mainboard is, but i guess i will avoid it now
thanks for the heads up. i sometimes try to read the democrat’s message board but that place is filled with these people that its difficult to sort through all the crap to find some legit info. even if the internet was as prevalent as it is today back in the 90s theres no way in hell i’d take the time so sit on a gator’s site and start arguments.
they never even talk recruiting anymore
It’s all posts about someone’s favorite rapper, which player’s mom or girlfriend is hottest or game threads on random NBA games.
by tdchrisdavis on Dec 18, 2008 4:26 PM EST up reply actions
To those of you who offered thoughtful...
… commentary, devoid of the usual rivalry largesse, thank you. I enjoyed reading your words. To the small number of fans who attempted to incite a mud-slinging war, Merry Christmas, and Happy New Year to you.
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Someone got pwned.
Merry Christmas.
largesse, largess (lahr-jes, lahr-jis)
–noun
1. generous bestowal of gifts.
2. the gift or gifts, as of money, so bestowed.
3. Obsolete. generosity; liberality.
so thats a good thing???
how come the Gator fans I know dont use big words like that. Wait how come none of the people I know use big words like that???
Right definition, wrong interpretation.
lar·gess also lar·gesse (lär-zhs, -js, lärjs)
n.
1.
a. Liberality in bestowing gifts, especially in a lofty or condescending manner.
b. Money or gifts bestowed.
2. Generosity of spirit or attitude.
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Click on the best programs of the last 25 years thread. There are some UF fans that think they are in the top 2. They seriously think it as well. The UF posters are getting owned, it’s great.
Our goal is simple: Best in the land
You're right!
Her comes a blast from me…
It is not NEARLY as bad as you are making out. Period.
If you really think it is then just jump off the roof and let someone else take over.
Seriousy, I do think florida is a better team, but the gap simply isn’t that huge. It just isn’t our general problem isn’t atheletisism its coaching, and for next year a little depth..
ON the bright side… the depth IS there its just VERY young…
MY GUESS: conference title by 2010 and national title chance (nobody can predict titles anymore) by 2011)
Yeah, right!
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