MBB Game 12: FSU 71 Charleston Southern 48
by TrueCubbie on Dec 18, 2008 7:00 PM EST
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PrintCharleston Southern Buccaneers at Florida St. Seminoles, Dec 18, 2008 7:00 PM EST
Tonight the Noles take on the Buccaneers of Charleston Southern in their final "warm-up" before their showdown with Pitt. See my post from Wednesday for how I think things have gone so far this year.
Step inside to take a look at how we match up withe the Bucs...
The Noles stepped it up and took control. Alabi had an amazing game and the Noles showed off their talent tonight. To quote Denis Green: "They are who we thought they are." FSU showcased their talent before their showdown with Pitt on Sunday. Look inside for the game preview and game thread. Thanks to everyone who contributed. The Noles took a step in the right direction tonight. Alabi had a huge game. Kitchen was very productive and Singleton is living up to expectations. 11-1...outstanding. And only 13 documented turnovers. This is how we should have played all year against weaker competition.
Tonight we take on the Bucs from Charleston Southern, a 5-4 team out of the Big South Conference, the same conference as Coastal Carolina. The Big South is rated as the 28th of 32 conferences in the country by our friends at Pomeroy. They are currently ranked 226th in the country overall. FSU is 77th. They have the 226th ranked offense and the 323rd ranked defense. We are 165th and 41st respectively. This is a game, no offense to the Bucs fans out there, that we should win. We have a 98% chance of winning it and it should be one that we work on limiting our turnovers.
Lets take a look a their numbers:
Offense Defense
Raw Efficiency : 101.1 (156) 106.4 (271)
Adj Efficiency : 96.5 (226) 112.7 (323)
Effective FG% : 46.5 (244) 52.5 (283)
Turnover Pct. : 16.4 ( 8) 16.2 (332)
Off. Rebound% : 30.3 (257) 26.1 ( 16)
Free Throw Rate: 23.2 (202) 27.0 ( 33)
3-Point FG% : 33.8 (161) 32.2 (123)
2-Point FG% : 44.2 (263) 55.0 (327)
Free Throw Pct.: 74.6 ( 33) 69.4 (215)
Block Pct. : 12.3 (305) 9.2 (147)
Steal Pct. : 6.3 ( 2) 8.6 (252)
3PA/FGA : 35.8 (104) 37.3 (291)
A/FGM : 49.4 (268) 51.6 (115)
Apparently they love the three ball and they shoot well from their and they don't turn the ball over that much. Even when they played the likes of Iowa and Cincinnati, they have held on to the ball.
Here is how they have played against their competition:
| Offense | Defense | |||||||||||||
| Date | Opponent | Result | Site | Pace | Eff. | eFG% | TO% | OR% | FTR | Eff. | eFG% | TO% | OR% | FTR |
| Fri Nov 14 | Iowa (s) (sr) | L, 68-48 | A | 55 | 86.7 | 39.2 | 16.3 | 29.2 | 27.4 | 122.8 | 60.6 | 12.6 | 25.0 | 31.9 |
| Mon Nov 17 | Furman (s) (sr) | W, 75-64 | H | 69 | 108.4 | 58.2 | 14.4 | 17.5 | 29.1 | 92.5 | 48.4 | 15.9 | 13.3 | 14.8 |
| Thu Nov 20 | College of Charleston (s) (sr) | L, 93-83 | N | 74 | 112.8 | 48.5 | 14.9 | 37.5 | 31.9 | 126.3 | 58.9 | 10.9 | 29.2 | 46.8 |
| Sat Nov 22 | Toccoa Falls (s) (sr) | W, 107-78 | H | 89 | 120.8 | 57.7 | 22.6 | 48.9 | 35.9 | 88.0 | 47.1 | 23.7 | 30.4 | 36.2 |
| Tue Nov 25 | The Citadel (s) (sr) | L, 84-80 | H | 72 | 111.3 | 50.0 | 18.1 | 27.3 | 47.4 | 116.9 | 59.4 | 13.9 | 17.9 | 47.2 |
| Fri Nov 28 | North Florida (s) (sr) | W, 68-60 | H | 60 | 101.3 | 45.6 | 22.3 | 40.0 | 36.8 | 89.3 | 46.7 | 16.4 | 17.8 | 10.0 |
| Mon Dec 1 | High Point (s) (sr) | W, 62-52 | A | 60 | 103.0 | 44.7 | 15.0 | 35.4 | 22.8 | 86.4 | 40.7 | 19.9 | 31.3 | 25.9 |
| Sat Dec 13 | Covenant (s) (sr) | W, 101-49 | H | 71 | 141.6 | 61.8 | 15.4 | 50.7 | 22.2 | 68.7 | 36.7 | 29.4 | 22.5 | 32.6 |
| Mon Dec 15 | Cincinnati (s) (sr) | L, 74-55 | A | 66 | 83.1 | 39.0 | 13.6 | 22.2 | 22.0 | 111.8 | 54.0 | 24.2 | 47.8 | 15.9 |
Just like GSU, they are all over the place and have great games and terrible games. Fortunately for us, their defense is by far their weak point. They don't force turnovers and they don't steal the ball. The only high point is that they don't allow their competition to get to the line, one of our strengths.
Here is their likely starting line-up:
Kelvin Martin 6'5 197 F Fr 10.6 pts 8.6 Reb Highly Touted Freshman
Omar Carter 6'5 220 F So 16.3 pts 8.1 Reb
Billy Blackmon 6'10 198 C Jr 4.7 pts 4.9 Reb
Jamarco Warren 5'11 160 G So 21.6 pts 2.4 Reb 2.2 Ast 1.8 TO
Tovi Bailey 6'1 175 F So 6.8 pts 2.5 reb 3.5 Ast 1.8 TO
Jamarco Warren loves to shoot the three ball. And he shoots well, his eFG% is 30th in the country and he has hit almost 50% of his three point shots and is considered one of the top offensive players in the country based on the Pomeroy ratings. He rarely turns the ball over and it will be interesting to watch when he plays against Douglas, who I think will likely shut him down.
The Bucs are as experienced as we are and are significantly smaller. They also play a slower tempo game, which should play into our hands.
The Noles and the Bucs have both played the Cincinnati Bearcats. Let's see how they matched up against a similar opponent:
| Offense | Defense | |||||||||||||
| Date | Opponent | Result | Site | Pace | Eff. | eFG% | TO% | OR% | FTR | Eff. | eFG% | TO% | OR% | FTR |
| Mon Dec 15 | Cincinnati (s) (sr) | L, 74-55 |
A |
66 | 83.1 | 39.0 | 13.6 | 22.2 | 22.0 | 111.8 | 54.0 | 24.2 | 47.8 | 15.9 |
Noles:
| Fri Nov 28 | Cincinnati (s) (sr) | W, 58-47 | N | 64 | 90.7 | 42.0 | 28.1 | 43.2 | 50.0 | 73.5 | 36.1 | 29.7 | 40.5 | 31.5 |
Again...apologies for the formatting.
To summarize, we shot better, had more trunovers, rebounded better and held them to a slower pace and forced way more turnovers. We held Cincinnati to only 47 points and they allowed them to put up 74. Charleston was held to one of their lowest point totals of the year.
We need this game. We have a tough ACC schedule and if we want any hopes of making it to the big dance, we need to win this big. However, I feel the turnovers will continue to show up and it will be closer than it should be, as all of the games have been this year. It seems, that Hamilton finaly lost it and went after his team after the Tennessee Tech win on Tuesday night.
Look for Kitchen to get more minutes. He has been a big positive in the last two games and his minutes have increased. Hopefully, he can give Douglas a bit of a break at times. This will be a slow paced game unless Hamilton has a surprise up his sleeve.
Look for the Bucs to come out shooting threes to stay in the game and to keep it close early. But as they try to live or die by the three ball they will fade. Our size should dominate on the defensive end and their defense is bad enough that we should get into a rhythm. Look for Singleton to have a big night. His numbers and confidence have been improving and I feel he is finally starting to recognize and understand his role on the team. He will likely be matched up with Kelvin "K-Mart" Martin who is their top Freshman.
It will be interesting to see how Reid and Singleton battle down low for rebounds as their front court does a good job of rebounding. Look for Alabi to get more touches as he did in the last game. He still only had a couple of shot attempts and I want him to take more. He's too nice on the court. He doesn't want to be the one to screw up as he is coming off an injury and just starting to get his legs under him. He needs to be a force.
Any thoughts on the game? Will it be a close one or will we walk away with it? Will the offense finally be more than a motion offense at the top of the arc? Will we get out and run or continue to grind it out?
Go NOLES!
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Noles up 10-5.
3 pt by Loucks, Singleton, 4 for Alabi
Charleston trying to make it rain 3s, have made 1 out of 4 so far.
Kitchen steals on consecutive possesions
Anyone else think he’s gonna be a big piece this year?
FSU 20-9
Instead of "showdown with Pitt,"
how about “one game before this team receives a beatdown from Pitt.”
Our goal is simple: Best in the land
Up 10
And TD hasn’t scored
Only their hot hand (Warren) has double digits.
Alab, Kitcheni and Singleton are showing well for the noles
The last little 6-0 run was all Warren for SC
a 3 pointer followed by a 3-pt play on back2back possessions.
warren and TD shoot matching 3's
Warren now has almost half their score
First points of the game for Douglas
We seem to be breaking out of the defensive end MUCH faster.
I noticed that at the end of the game Tuesday, but it looks like they are pushing it even more tonight,
We're really looking to run more
lots of 2 on 2’s and 3 on 3’s
There’s also a willingness to pull it out and run offense when it’s not there.
They need to play like this more often
CS is out-matched, but I like our poise a lot better in this game.
To beat Pitt:
*Tons of luck
- Reasonable substitution patterns
- Smart ball handling (smart for us, not smart for a decent team, haha)
- Hometown officiating
- Really rough play
At least
We are actually beating a team bad for once. We should have been doing this to all of out lesser opponents this year.
The good news for us...
is that we are having the first Zitani sighting in quite a while. The good news is that we are that deep. The bad news is that we haven’t had enough mop-up time.
Finally...
This is the way we should have playing against the competition this year and I look forward to seeing the final stats. We took control of this game from the start. There were a few lapses here and there, but overall, this was an excellent effort by the Noles. I think Alabi has been reading this site— he had a monster game. In 21 minutes, he had 16 points, 14 rebounds and 6 blocks with only 1 foul and no turnovers. He has to play this way night in and night out if we want to have any hopes of making the NCAA tournament.
Kitchen continues to impress and I wouldn’t be surprised if he makes he way into the starting role. However, having his experience coming off the bench is an amazing addition. There is little drop off, if any when he comes into the game.
Our turnovers slowed down. I wasn’t able to listen to or watch the game so its hard to say what our 13 TO were really like…but it’s a huge improvement.
Singleton went for 9 points 2 rebounds 3 ast and 5 steals in 26 minutes. This contributes night in and night out on both ends of the floor. Expect big things out of him. Last night I was at the Chicago Bulls vs. LA Clippers game and had the pleasure of watching one Al Thornton go for 20 and 6 against my Bulls. Oh how I wish we drafted him… Sorry, my point is Singleton may be that caliber of player before he is done.
I can finally breath a sigh of relief as we showed up to play and took care of business. I need to look at the numbers at a closer level, but this is the way we have expected our team to take care of business in the OOC schedule. This must have been a morale boost for the team and they will go into Pitt with a lot of confidence. Sunday night will be a huge measure of how good this team is. We have shown moments of brilliance. Tonight we finally dominated. Look for more when I put up the preview for Sunday nights game.
Are there any particular topics that any of you would like to read about? Players? Games? Types of offenses/defenses? More detailed stats? Let me know and I will do the best I can to satisfy your interest in this basketball team. They will be special. I’ll try to keep up the recruiting front as it develops. Its kind of quiet at this time of year.
This is your team. So let me know what you would like to learn/read about.
Cheers,
TC
I would like to know the difference between our
motion offense, and the dribble drive motion offense (Link embedded).
I’m also curious as to your thoughts on our personnel use.
TC, you’re easily the best Noles writer- print or electronic.
Do you believe in moral victories? For instance, if we were to lose by 9 or fewer, I would count that as a win, provided that we played reasonably well (as opposed to Pitt just being sluggish).
by Bud Elliott on Dec 18, 2008 11:25 PM EST up reply actions
Good site for basketball knowledge here (with pretty pictures that move around too).
From my limited understand of basketball I believe DDM prizes 3-4 players that can handle the ball on drives. It’s a 4 out with the center just looking to rebound and not score. The four players on the outside will try to drive and score or kick. It’s a drive first offense.
I don’t think they screen as much as we are supposed to. I think we try and use motion to open up passing lanes where DDM does it more to open up driving lanes. I think we also go from a 3-2 more than a 4-1 but that can depend on court personel also. It’s hard for me to say because we stand around so much. Really every player should be in motion on every pass but I don’t think our boys understand the offense well enough to keep moving.
Keep in mind I’m not very well read on basketball so this could be completely wrong but it’s how I understand it.
I know you said you weren’t able to watch the game so you might not be able to speak on this but what was the difference between last night and the games before? Bigger role by Kitchen? Weaker team? Why did Alabi perform so much better? For anybody that watched the game: was Alabi going strong inside? Better position on the blocks? Or was he just hitting his baby hooks?
Like I said, I know you weren’t able to watch the game but if you find anything out I’d be interested in knowing.
Hopefully I'm not too late on this.
I’d like to see an article at some point on the developement of our players under Hamilton. I am interested in your opinion as to whether we have had success with coaching, or if most of the improvement we see is from a players natural developement. It seems like we have seen some serious improvement in Thorton, Echefu, Alexander Johnson, Jason Rich, and others. These guys were not standouts as freshmen. Is Hamilton just doing a good job recruiting potential, or is out coaching staff making the best of what we have got?
by TBfisherman on Dec 20, 2008 12:12 AM EST up reply actions
Note on pitt:
Pittsburgh. This year DeJuan Blair has rebounded 26 percent of his own team’s misses during his time on the floor. A number that absurd (it would actually be a very good defensive rebound percentage) tells me I’m looking at both an outstanding player and a squishy soft schedule. Indeed, faced with Levance Fields’ ridiculous 14 assists per 100 possessions or Sam Young’s 21 points in just 29 minutes per game, it’s fair to say that this is an elite offense that thus far has, Washington State notwithstanding, frolicked its way through a relatively frictionless schedule. We haven’t seen Pitt challenged, but right now they’re undoubtedly a collection of impressive specialists: see Fields’ assists, Young’s shots and Blair’s rebounds. On D, however, don’t be surprised if last year’s average rebounding continues. Against a very forgiving schedule, the Panthers have grabbed less than 69 percent of their opponents’ misses. That would be a fine result in the Big East, but seen in the context of their schedule it’s a little ominous. The Panthers may have not only the ability but also the need to outscore opponents. Kind of like Notre Dame.
From: Basketballprospectus.com
Pitt
There lowest margin of victory so far this year is 13 and that was against Siena in their most recent victory. However, from the looks of it they have yet to play away from home and are about to start on a 3-game road trip against us, Rutgers and then Georgetown. Not sure if anyone else watched that game against Siena the other night as it was on ESPN, but i mentioned before that they have a very strong inside presence (as is noted above in FSUncensored’s post). But they really haven’t been tested to date by any means. 7’1 Alabi vs 6’7 Blair is going to be a very intriguing matchup. Blair plays much more physical and is averaging a double-double (15 pts, 13 rbds) right now. But Alabi has the height and finesse. We def need a repeat performance of last night by Alabi. Defensively, Pitt plays very much like we do as they are very aggressive which means we HAVE to take care of the ball.
Personally, i kinda like our chances in this game. They are a well coached, talented, untested team but we have a knack for getting up for big games. If we can get a strong performance from our back-court and try to limit the number of offensive rebounds Blair is able to get i really think we have a chance. Hopefully they are coming in taking us lightly, but i doubt it as they are as i said before well coached.
I like it
The encouraging thing is that Pitt is not a defense based on steals. They’re not that great at that.
These are all great points and would love to comment...
I’m on call in the ICU tonight so…I’m a wee bit busy. I will write more and put up a Big Pitt preview, detailed offense stuff and break down the likelihood of us winning. Thanks for all of your interest in the team and all of these great comments.
Look for my updates and thoughts tomorrow. Go Noles!
Tomorrow I will put up a post about different styles of offense and where our teams sits with our talent and skill set.
On Sunday I’ll put up a big post about Pitt and the challenges we face. I will try to learn what I can about Pitt’s offense and tie it into the offensive scheme discussion.
N.B. Just a Pediatrician here…not a surgeon. Sorry to disapoint. Still working in the ICU though.
Looking forward to reading
Thanks, TC. Pediatrician, got it.
by Bud Elliott on Dec 20, 2008 11:21 AM EST up reply actions
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