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  • I'm hearing that Clemson will get the Gator Bowl bid.  This is now confirmed, several hours after we put the obvious pieces together (and I got a text from several Clemson buddies).  Aren't you glad you pay me $9.99/month to read this site?

Damn you, Jacksonville!  Don't you know that Bobby sells tickets on his own!  Never mind that he choked the life out of this program and gave his fans an unwatchable product for several years!  People go to the games just to see him!  

On a serious note, this means we will again miss out on a New Year's Day Bowl game.  This embarrassing snub can only help the program in the long term as it puts more pressure on those in power to finally do something about our once great, but now running joke of a head coach and his cronies on the defensive side of the ball.  The Gator Bowl committee apparently didn't think FSU fans would even fill 10,000 hotel rooms.  Had they selected us, I certainly wouldn't have been one of them.  

I encourage FSU fans to not renew their season tickets or make any booster contributions until these things happen:

  1. The defensive staff is let go and Jimbo Fisher is allowed to hand pick the new defensive staff; and
  2. The administration puts Bowden on notice that 2009 is his last year to fleece the state of Florida of over 2 million dollars.  They need to tell him in no uncertain terms that he will not be chasing 400 wins here.  Any notion that he will coach in 2010 and we will be forced to pay Jimbo his penalty/bonus is absurd.  This team is desperately crying out for leadership and receiving none.  Bobby will never again beat the Gators.  Those in power should give him 2 options: 1) Bow out gracefully after your exciting win in the Champs Sports Bowl, or 2) Limp out 2009 with the hope that Paterno doesn't make it to 2009, get the all-time wins record, and get destroyed by the Gators in the swamp to end his career.  There must not be any option for him to return in 2010.  
  • In a strange way, FSU fans should hope that the NCAA takes away wins from the 2007 season as an additional sanction from the cheating scandal.  Anything that puts distance between Paterno and Bowden is good for the Florida State Program.  Some root for Bowden at the expense of the program, but unless Paterno doesn't make it through hip surgery, Nole fans (or Bobby fans, as some root for him and not FSU) will never again hear him announced over the PA system as "the winningiest coach in college football history."

  • More 'Nole news inside throughout the day as I find it.  See something I should link?  Let me know.

Star-divide

Also, our friends at Scalpem take issue with today's post and challenge my fandom.

We got mentioned on Hugging Harold Reynolds for our comparison of Urban Meyer and John Mark Karr.

Did Everette Brown mean to imply that the players didn't believe in the coaches plan with this quote?  

The coaches, they get paid a lot and this and that, but at the end of the day, the players are the ones who have to go out there and execute the plan, believe in the plan and make the plan work.

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=teamreports-2008-ncaaf-ffc&prov=sportsxchange&type=team_report

Also from that link:

  • Patrick Robinson had his MRI yesterday and didn't tear any ligaments.  That's great news!
  • QB D’Vontrey Richardson hinted after the game he is likely to give up playing football and devote his full energy to baseball, where he’s well regarded as an outfielder and pro prospect. That played into the Seminoles’ decision to go with Drew Weatherford in the second half despite Weatherford’s limited playing time this season.

The Atlantic Coast Sports Media Association announced its All-Conference team.  This is the 2008 Associated Press all-ACC football team as voted on by 67 members of the Atlantic Coast Sports Media Association.

A first-team vote was worth two points and second team vote one. An asterisk denotes unanimous selection.

OFFENSE
FIRST TEAM
QB: Russell Wilson, N.C. State (106)
RB: Jonathan Dwyer, Georgia Tech (134)*
RB: Da'Rel Scott, Maryland (76)
WR: Hakeem Nicks, North Carolina (130)
WR: D.J. Boldin, Wake Forest (76)
TE: John Phillips, Virginia (88)
OT: Eugene Monroe, Virginia (117)
OT: Andrew Gardner, Georgia Tech (107)
OG: Rodney Hudson, Florida State (99)
OG: Cliff Ramsey, Boston College (78)
C: Edwin Williams, Maryland (62)

SECOND TEAM
QB: Thaddeus Lewis, Duke (28)
RB: Darren Evans, Virginia Tech (58)
RB: C.J. Spiller, Clemson (50)
WR: Eron Riley, Duke (57)
WR: Aaron Kelly, Clemson (56)
TE: Ryan Purvis, Boston College (45)
OT: Garrett Reynolds, North Carolina (42)
OT: Anthony Castonzo, Boston College (41)
OG: Sergio Render, Virginia Tech (48)
OG: Cord Howard, Georgia Tech (45)
C: Thomas Austin, Clemson (48)

DEFENSE
FIRST TEAM
DE: Everette Brown, Florida State (131)
DE: Michael Johnson, Georgia Tech (99)
DT: B.J. Raji, Boston College (103)
DT: Vance Walker, Georgia Tech (62)
LB: Mark Herzlich, Boston College (118)
LB: Michael Tauiliili, Duke (110)
LB: Aaron Curry, Wake Forest (106)
CB: Alphonso Smith, Wake Forest (134)*
CB: Victor Harris, Virginia Tech (125)
S: Trimane Goddard, North Carolina (105)
S: Michael Hamlin, Clemson (89)

SECOND TEAM
DE: Orion Martin, Virginia Tech (61)
DE: Jason Worilds, Virginia Tech (39)
DT: Ron Brace, Boston College (52)
DT: Darryl Richard, Georgia Tech (50)
LB: Clint Sintim, Virginia (79)
LB: Alex Wujciak, Maryland (43)
LB: Mark Paschal, North Carolina (40)
CB: Ras-I Dowling, Virginia (49)
CB: Tony Carter, Florida State (34)
CB: Kendric Burney, North Carolina (34)
S: Morgan Burnett, Georgia Tech (85)
S: Myron Rolle, Florida State (55)

SPECIAL TEAMS
FIRST TEAM
K: Graham Gano, Florida State (127)
P: Travis Baltz, Maryland (105)
Specialist: C.J. Spiller, Clemson (66)

SECOND TEAM
K: Matt Bosher, Miami (34)
P: Matt Bosher, Miami (60)
Specialist: Michael Ray Garvin, Florida State (41)

Congrats to Rodney, Everette, and Graham!  Slightly smaller congrats to Tony Carter, Myron Rolle, and Michael Ray Garvin!  I'm sort of surprised that only member of the leagues top offense made the 1st or 2nd team.

NOTE: We lose every defensive player on this list.

 

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Who else would you put in there?

We don’t really ride any one player in our offense. Thomas (GTech) should have gotten some more love. To put up over 500 yards in that offense is impressive to me.

Oh, and you didn’t bold Michael Ray Garvin’s name as 2nd team specialist or TC’s as 2nd team DB.

by evenflow58 on Dec 2, 2008 12:20 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Champs Bowl then??

I thought we were a lock for the Gator Bowl specially after they picked Nebraska last night.

by ChileanNole on Dec 2, 2008 12:31 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

How sure are you about this?

It was just in the ‘rumor’ category last I heard of it. I find it hard to believe the Gator Bowl would seriously snub us

by pbysh on Dec 2, 2008 12:39 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Fairly sure. All my Clemson buddies just blew up my phone with taunting messgaes

“haha dude, we just jacked your bowl spot”

We draw better ratings than Clemson, but the city of Jacksonville is totally freaked about having another game with only 10K hotel rooms with Nole Fans.

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by FSUncensored on Dec 2, 2008 12:42 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What changed from this morning?

the Gator bowl president released a statement about how he was still 50-50 this morning?

It sucks when both of your teams let you down on a weekly basis. But you still gotta cheer for them. Go 'Noles. (Damn you UF) And Go 'Cats. (About time we had a seasonal tourney win, even if it was in Vegas)

by floundringaround on Dec 2, 2008 5:58 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

A few things

Clemson e-mailed and faxed them like crazy, and

FSU just isn’t an exciting team right now. Clemson’s fan base is much happier to be in the Gator than we are, and they consider Jacksonville a vacation, while we do not.

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by FSUncensored on Dec 2, 2008 6:44 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I still dont think they will sell it out

It sucks when both of your teams let you down on a weekly basis. But you still gotta cheer for them. Go 'Noles. (Damn you UF) And Go 'Cats. (About time we had a seasonal tourney win, even if it was in Vegas)

by floundringaround on Dec 2, 2008 7:39 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Remember September and the Colorado game?

maybe… just maybe that is why the Gator would go with another team. Clemson? holy crap… they barely sneaked into a bowl and we beat them. But honestly… I doubt the Gator is snubbing to make a statement other than the pitiful turnout in Sept. and as written before, JAX is not a vacation site from Tallahassee. It is pointless to argue with anybody on here. I believe we all have a right to an opinion, but really, is all going to be “right” when your wish is granted and Bobby is gone? Sad, but there will be a perverse joy in seeing it not be that way.

by wolffbird7 on Dec 3, 2008 11:16 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Who are you arguing with?

I just don’t see where anyone has conflicted with what you just said.

Straw men are awesome.

by MattDNole on Dec 3, 2008 11:42 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah Smith is a definite SNUB

Darren Evans and Da’Rel Scott both have more yards than him, but Smith has twice as many touchdowns! While Spiller is a GREAT talent and a really good guy, he has less yards and half as many touchdowns. Yes he splits carries, but a fair share of carries go to Jermaine Thomas as well. Spiller just has the recognizable name and publicity.

Also, Garvin has more kick return yards than spiller does punt return and kick return yards combined……just saying

by UNFNOLE on Dec 2, 2008 12:32 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You can make the argument for Smith,

but I hate touchdowns. Thats how Jerrome Bettis got onto teams he had no business being selected for.

Spiller is a great back who wasn’t used much and you are very correct that this was a result of name recognition.

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by FSUncensored on Dec 2, 2008 12:39 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I agree that hes a great back

I also think him and Davis would be MUCH better behind an offensive line that could run-block for them, but if you are going strictly by YPC then we are still ahead of Evans.

by UNFNOLE on Dec 2, 2008 12:42 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I would think

that touchdowns are more important. You can rack up all the yards you want, but scoring points is the name of the game.

by salukinole on Dec 2, 2008 4:27 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I disagree.

I think it matters who moves the ball. Why don’t all the goal line backs get selected to the pro bowl? Points are important, to be sure, but in my eyes, they are better as a team measure.

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by FSUncensored on Dec 2, 2008 4:31 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

As much as I would like to see those two things happen

I just dont see it. I think the administration would find a way to excuse another year of the same staff by saying we are “progressing” especially if we win our bowl game and end up at 9-4. I dont agree with the approach but I cant convince myself that anything different will happen.

by ChileanNole on Dec 2, 2008 12:36 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It does suck though

because we ARE the better team than Clemson. I also think the Nebraska FSU game would be better PUB for the Gator Bowl because of the story lines.

by UNFNOLE on Dec 2, 2008 12:39 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No I agree

with both of you, all I am saying is it sucks because there are also a lot of reasons we should be there instead of Clemson. However, filling the seats will always win.

by UNFNOLE on Dec 2, 2008 12:43 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And they would

get better ratings on TV because the more casual fan will bite on those story lines over Clemson v Nebraska

by UNFNOLE on Dec 2, 2008 12:44 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

FWIW Nebraska fans really wanted to play us

I think it would have been a great game our defense sets up well for their offense

by ChileanNole on Dec 2, 2008 12:45 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yes we did!

I’d have MUCH rather seen a Husker/Noles matchup.

Maybe next year.

Good Luck in your Bowl.

by bnahusker on Dec 3, 2008 1:02 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

what the hell do FSU fans in florida do on the weekends?

thats absolutely pitiful that people wouldnt travel across the state. I live in Ohio and would without a doubt make the trip down to Jacksonville. F*, my brother and i were debating traveling out to San Fran if we somehow went to the Emerald Bowl.

that’s a joke

by Renegade11 on Dec 2, 2008 1:03 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Bingo, it's just what you said.

They’d go for the night, while Clemson fans would go and spend the whole weekend in Jacksonville. It’s all about stimulating the economy.

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by FSUncensored on Dec 2, 2008 1:08 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

well i guess when you can't sell out a home game

and have a ridiculous number of gator fans sitting in the booster season ticket holder sections it serves us right. as fun as it was, it was kinda disappointing to see such things. hell, the civic center parking lot wasn’t even close to halfway full when we started to walk to the game.

i also thought it was a joke when a lady asked me to sit down during the first quarter because she couldnt see. are you kidding me? we’re not a spelling bee, get off your a*s and cheer

by Renegade11 on Dec 2, 2008 1:18 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We're all sort of waiting for that nonsense to end.

It’s ridiculous. The Older crowd doesn’t go if they’re not willing to stand at least a bit.

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by FSUncensored on Dec 2, 2008 1:19 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

where can we go to find out who gets picked for what bowl

Also I thought they couldnt take teams yet because they have to see which team wins the ACCCG. Is it pos for us to get to the peach still. What would have to happen. I know they would take Gtec over us prob but what ever

by Desman on Dec 2, 2008 1:08 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Peach is definitely not possible. GTech is a lock for the peach.

They do not have to wait for the ACCCG as neither team is desirable as they don’t travel well.

ESPN.com should have the bowl selection thing soon.

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by FSUncensored on Dec 2, 2008 1:11 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

9-4 sounds good to me.

Also… Northwestern runs a wicked spread offense, and their defense is horrible. This sets up nicely for a 50-35 win, and adds more fuel to the “no more Amato crowd.”

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by FSUncensored on Dec 2, 2008 1:17 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

More bright side.

If our bowl game is in December, maybe we won’t have to wait until next year to get new coaches.

by MattDNole on Dec 2, 2008 1:21 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sorry Chile

I guess I am excited we can get to 9 wins fairly easily.

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by FSUncensored on Dec 2, 2008 1:27 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

is the music city bowl out of the running?

was at that game last year and i think the whole state of kentucky was there. and then there was maybe 10 of us nole fans. i swear to god if i hear….

whooooooooooooooooooo C-A-T-S CATSCATS!!!! one more time…

by Renegade11 on Dec 2, 2008 1:29 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I wouldn't be surprised.

You’re telling me VA Tech wouldn’t get selected over us in the Champs if they lose the ACCCG?

BC beat us handily. Think they’d get taken by the Champs? Good chance we’re in an even lower bowl game. I’d prefer the Music City actually, because we’d face a middle of the road SEC team. It’d look good on paper and it’d probably be a game we could win.

by MattDNole on Dec 2, 2008 1:32 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Haha I was there too

and there were more like 13 nole fans there. I almost wore my UK stuff to the game eign from Kentucky and my whole family wearing their UK stuff but alas I was one of teh few surrounded by UK blue.

It sucks when both of your teams let you down on a weekly basis. But you still gotta cheer for them. Go 'Noles. (Damn you UF) And Go 'Cats. (About time we had a seasonal tourney win, even if it was in Vegas)

by floundringaround on Dec 2, 2008 6:04 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

they aren't nearly as annoying as ohio state fans

but i dont like them. couple kids tried to start a fight with my bro at the game for no reason, just because he was wearing an fsu sweatshirt. not to mention i live in cincy so there are a lot of transplanted here

by Renegade11 on Dec 2, 2008 7:36 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i guess ive just had a bad experience with some is all

dont mean for the above statement to come across wrong

by Renegade11 on Dec 2, 2008 7:40 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nah they aren't bad

at least in football. Basketball? whole different story. If you get in the way of a UKs fan BBall game you may lose your own balls…

It sucks when both of your teams let you down on a weekly basis. But you still gotta cheer for them. Go 'Noles. (Damn you UF) And Go 'Cats. (About time we had a seasonal tourney win, even if it was in Vegas)

by floundringaround on Dec 2, 2008 7:41 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

So is it Northwestern??

I thought it was Minnesotta for the Champs. How good are either of these teams havent seen them at all this year.

by ChileanNole on Dec 2, 2008 1:23 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I’d say, on a purely power poll type deal:

Northwestern, somewhere between 40 and 50
Wisconsin is outside the top 45.
Minnesota is outside the top 60

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by FSUncensored on Dec 2, 2008 1:27 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

How we match up.

We have problems with the spread, but Northwestern doesn’t really have top notch athletes. We would hopefully outscore them.

I think Wisconsin should be better than what they are. Their power running game concerns me against our defense.

I don’t currently fear Minnesota, other than the fact that their traditional noon games make me think of Pam Ward.

by MattDNole on Dec 2, 2008 1:30 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I dont like Wis but PJ Hill is a beast.

I dont know what happend to them but they have one of the best TE and RB in the Big 10. I know we have had problems with TE all year long

by Desman on Dec 2, 2008 4:46 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Any way we can play Iowa?

I’ve heard good things about their fans lately.

by MattDNole on Dec 2, 2008 1:41 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Is Koenig not returning of his own volition or is he being forced out?

Every week I’m more and more confident that Mickey will not return next year (of his own accord). He was ready to hang it up last year after his son passed and that was before he was sick in the beginning of the year. He has just looked drained in his pressors also (not that he’s ever been Mr Energetic in those). It’ll be interesting to see how the off-season plays out. For everybody involved I hope he makes his decision soon after the bowl game.

by evenflow58 on Dec 2, 2008 2:27 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

From what I understand
  • Koenig wanted to be the head coach.
  • He wasn’t named the head coach
  • He won’t coach Clemson in 2009.

I don’t think he was fired, but I am not so sure he had the option to stay.

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by FSUncensored on Dec 2, 2008 2:29 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Apparently it doesn't suck for us.

Many posters on another board are celebrating because Orlando will be a nice change of venue, and more people will watch our game on Dec. 27 than they would have on Jan. 1. Can banging your head on a desk cause permanent damage?

by TRMNole on Dec 2, 2008 3:02 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ridiculous.

I’m not a doctor, but I did stay at a Holliday inn express last year (not in Jacksonville)

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by FSUncensored on Dec 2, 2008 3:10 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Did anyone here listen to the press conferences?

i can’t get to the fsu athletic page at work. other than what corey clark said anyone have anything to add about them?

by Renegade11 on Dec 2, 2008 3:13 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

A comment about EB's quote

I can’t speak for him… however, here is what I believe him to be saying…..

This is what I have said over and over, but it’s not the scheme. The players have to go execute the scheme in order for in to succeed. You can put any scheme in place, but if the players don’t buy into it and execute it, it fails. It was hard to see this in the UF game because they just got their tails whipped in every aspect of the defense (tackling, getting blocked, coverage, filling gaps, etc) but you see this a lot if you look at the GaTech game. The scheme was fine, but players would not stick to it (which is EXTREMELY HARD against a team that runs the option perfectly). I think you can criticize Mickey for not getting his players to buy into it, and you can criticize him some for his recruiting, but it was not the scheme, and I think that is what EB was saying.

A quick story to illustrate this..
When I was a Sophmore in HS we played a good option team and I was playing SS. My responsibility was pitchman (we were in a cover 3). The first 3 plays of the game they came after me, and 3 plays in a row I decided I wanted to lay out the quarterback. It wasn’t that I didn’t think the scheme would work, in fact, it would have worked fine if I hit the pitchman, but I didn’t. It wasn’t the scheme, it was me.

by UNFNOLE on Dec 2, 2008 3:38 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

agree to a certain extent but...

but isn’t it the coach’s responsibility to make sure that the players are buying into it. its not only his job to scheme appropriately week to week and be change gameplans accordingly but to make sure that the players not only understand, but that they are one step ahead.

perfect example, watch the giants defense (sorry i may be a little biased because i’m a giants fan). when the offense comes to the line, watch antonio pierce. he knows the play before it even happens and directs his teammates accordingly. its pretty obvious the amount of work that they are putting in on and off the field and i think that is a direct result of steve spagnuolo. he has this so well prepared week in and week out that they are able to recognize those things. i know there are obvious and glaring differences between the nfl and college but i think the point applies.

yes the players have the perform on the field but they have come to the game far better prepared. and its not only the scheme, but whether the COACH has them on the same page. we have the athletes to make it work i just think the coaching isn’t preparing them accordingly…..

by Renegade11 on Dec 2, 2008 3:50 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I agree, which

is why I said you CAN criticize him for not getting his players to buy into it. I think this is one of the PRIMARY responsibilities of any coach. Maybe some youth in the leadership would get players to buy into it, but you always walk a fine line with a coaches personality anyway. However, I do think your right.

Giants are a great example that things can change though too. When Coughlin went there the players ABSOLUTELY hated him. He may have been a great X and O’s coach but he was too tough (which is an absurd complaint from a pro ball player imo). But then again, I know most of us/you are convinced that Micky is too stubborn/old to ‘change.’

by UNFNOLE on Dec 2, 2008 3:56 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

agreed

i just think he doesnt have the energy to put in the time to ‘change’

by Renegade11 on Dec 2, 2008 4:21 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That is a fair point.

Mickey does not have a horrible scheme. His scheme has proven to work in the past, but I worry that it is very dependent on freakish athletes.

I think you made a great quote there. Care if I use that and cite you in the future?

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by FSUncensored on Dec 2, 2008 4:17 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If your speaking of me....

then no, i dont mind. Not sure which quote it was though.

by UNFNOLE on Dec 2, 2008 5:12 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think EB was saying the same thing.

He is directly saying that its up to the players to execute and make the plan work.

by FSUvaFan on Dec 2, 2008 3:48 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

FWIW every gator stood behind Zook when he was on the chopping block

Every VT player is standing behind Stinespring despite consecutive 100+ rankings in offense.

Every FSU player stood behind JB

Every UVa player is standing behind Al and Mark Groh

Many Clemson players stood behind Tommy Bowden

Etc. You can’t cite players’ reactions to criticisms of coaches for many reasons, the obvious being that if they criticize their coach and he comes back he wont be in line for playing time…

by CaStauch on Dec 2, 2008 3:50 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

True...

but the reverse is true as well. You would jump at the quote if somebody said Micky has to go. Does that necessarily mean it is the best decision, or maybe that player and Micky have bad blood. We have to accept the players at their words, or else we can’t look into any of these comments.

by UNFNOLE on Dec 2, 2008 3:52 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Bud.....Heres a DC prospect

It’s a long shot, because he has a future in the NFL as well.

Raheem Morris. He is getting some looks as a DC for the Bucs, and may be a prospect for other teams as well, but he was a DC at Kansas St. If I am not mistaken, they had a good record that year as well. He is a minority candidate (which will please folks at UCF) and he HAS left the NFL for college before.

He is a huge long-shot and we would have to move fast, he will be a very HOT candidate for a DC job in the NFL.

Anyway, just a name to consider, though doubtful.

by UNFNOLE on Dec 2, 2008 4:06 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hmm

I will look at him.

I want to announce that we are doing a series profiling 11 candidates over the next month, month n a half.

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by FSUncensored on Dec 2, 2008 4:13 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nice

Looking forward to it. I think Cameron has a good point that the press conference may be a good sign that Micky is done.

by UNFNOLE on Dec 2, 2008 4:17 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wilson has a ton of skill....

Didn’t watch much….. (actually any) of Duke this year so I can’t speak for Lewis.

by UNFNOLE on Dec 2, 2008 5:14 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wilson is gonna be good

If he keeps improving under their oc. I think nc state will be a team to look out for in the near future.

by fsunole23 on Dec 2, 2008 5:50 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Oye, so I'm guessing Bobby will be back for another year

I can’t see him stepping down after being crushed by UF and posting a glorious Champs Whatever the Hell Bowl victory against WhoCares U.
If we coulda won the ACC and then the Orange Bowl, I think BB might have seen the writing on the wall. This is all the black jerseys fault.

by hopnole23 on Dec 2, 2008 7:13 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

stepping down

Our administration forcing him out is where the issue lies and that’s where our energy should be spent.

5 years in a row? Getting beat 45-15 in our house? Second straight time they have beaten us at home en route to the BCS championship? When is this crap going to end? Force Bobby to resign and let Jimbo clean house on the defensive staff. Anything less is doing permanent damage.

by mp212121 on Dec 2, 2008 9:31 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This will be bobbys last year

Imo 09 is it for Bobby. I think will retire after our bowl game. I love Mickey and respect him, he will go down as one of the greatest dc i cfb but i think the game has passed him by. We need someone like spaziani from bc.

by fsunole23 on Dec 2, 2008 10:53 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Mickey is my all-time favorite coach.

Honestly, I’d prefer some schemes over others, but the main ingredients are player development and making sure the guys buy into the scheme and understand why the little stuff (“details”, if you will) are important. Stuff like alignment, hands, etc.

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by FSUncensored on Dec 2, 2008 11:06 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

hey Clemsons DC just resigned.....

how do you think he’d fit in here?

It sucks when both of your teams let you down on a weekly basis. But you still gotta cheer for them. Go 'Noles. (Damn you UF) And Go 'Cats. (About time we had a seasonal tourney win, even if it was in Vegas)

by floundringaround on Dec 2, 2008 10:58 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think you’re reading too much into EBs quote, but I like what Mickey said, “They… outcoached us”.

by Jaguar on Dec 2, 2008 11:26 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I called a buddy of mine who works for the Gator Bowl committee, in no uncertain terms, here's why they picked Clemson

1. The drubbing we took from UF really turned them off
2. This would have been the 3rd time in under 15 months the Noles would have played in Jax
3. The city stepped in and basicly said invite Clemson. The reasoning? Clemson vs Nebraska will be a mini-Florida/Georgia for them revenue wise, where as FSU fans would have driven in either New Years ever or that morning and left.

"I smoke. If this bothers anyone, I suggest you look around at the world in which we live and shut your mouth."-Bill Hicks

by FSBlueApocalypse on Dec 3, 2008 6:41 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Also, they're still feeling the sting from last year's debacle between Texas Tech and Virginia

Where judging by the attendance you would have thought the game was being played before Christmas and not on New Years Day.

"I smoke. If this bothers anyone, I suggest you look around at the world in which we live and shut your mouth."-Bill Hicks

by FSBlueApocalypse on Dec 3, 2008 6:57 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah, sad state of affairs but true

Judging from talking to him, the city wasn’t even convinced the game would sellout because of the economy+FSU fan’s current reputation.

"I smoke. If this bothers anyone, I suggest you look around at the world in which we live and shut your mouth."-Bill Hicks

by FSBlueApocalypse on Dec 3, 2008 1:10 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

test

It’s hard for Florida State fans, who once reveled in the fact that Andrews repeatedly tormented legendary Florida coach Steve Spurrier with a variety of well-executed plans, to cope with the recent trend of results.

by FSUStateOfMind on Dec 5, 2008 4:45 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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