SoFlaFootball.com talks Phillip Thomas and we wonder if FSU's Chuck Amato is really that lazy?
We've partnered with Luke Stampini of www.SoFlaFootball.com to discuss FSU's recruiting prospects. He'll join us each week. Make sure to visit his site as he has something special going on over there.
This week, he decided to write his thoughts on Phillip Thomas, including some surprising comments from Thomas about a certain lazy member of the Seminole's coaching staff!
Luke Stampini's comments appear in the shaded sections. My comments follow.
The name that seems to be ringing in the ears of Seminole fans this holiday season has been Phillip Thomas. The hard hitting safety from Miami Edison wasn't even a blip on the recruiting radar screen heading into the season. After leading Dade County with 8 interceptions, being named to the prestigious 1st Team All-Dade, and releasing an impressive highlight tape, the Phillip Thomas fan club seems to be growing by the day in ‘Nole land.
I am a big fan of Phillip Thomas. He definitely needs work in technique but the kid has special instincts and could be a great weapon on defense.
Unfortunately for Thomas, the FSU coaching staff has yet to join his fan club.
It really appears that FSU is giving him the run around on watching his film and Thomas realizes that, stating the other night at the North-South Dade All-Star game, "It only takes 30 minutes, MAYBE an hour."
Thomas, who is full of personality, is very optimistic that once the bowl season is over some bigger schools will come after him.
Chuck Amato might be the worst coach in America. Amato told this kid he was too busy to watch his tape (even though it is his responsibility to do so), because he had so much Wisconsin tape to watch. This is for the bowl game that Bob Bowden said "wasn't a big deal."
Amato is also the coach fighting with other coaches, causing massive internal strife, aiding the negative recruiting efforts of other schools, undermining the progressive hard work of some of FSU's more respected coaches, and generally embarrassing the program. For the record, Amato has signed zero quality South Florida prospects in his return to FSU. None. Yet many still regard him as the South Florida recruiting guru...
There is no doubt in my mind Thomas would be getting a lot of attention, including serious attention from Florida's Big 3 had he played his junior season and if he would have taken the ACT before late October of his senior year. There is just too much of a risk/waste of time and money to recruit a kid that doesn't have any varsity film or even a test score to see how close to qualifying he may be. Now that Thomas got a very good test score in his first attempt, a core GPA that looks to be in order and even working to improve that even more, some impressive game film, Thomas is ready to have a busy recruitment in the month of January.
The kid is definitely raw, which means we would need to coach him up, which would require a defensive backs coach. We stopped consistently developing DB's in 2005 and don't have a defensive backs coach.
The point is that FSU must act now if they are to get this guy. He will get the big offers soon and FSU won't beat the big schools for this guy unless they apologize for Amato's disrespect and make a serious effort to secure his commitment.
The first time seeing Thomas was against Monsignor Pace, and admittedly I was going to the game to see Pace's safety Kayvon Webster (Miami commit), wide receiver Sterling Griffin, and Edison's wide receiver Larry McCoy. In that game Thomas had a pick, a touchdown reception, and a few nice hits, but like I mentioned I didn't really focus on him much as I was there checking out the other players. Webster didn't really blow him out of the water as you would suspect when one is committed to Miami and the other has NO offers.
A few weeks later when Edison took on Carol City, Thomas caught my eye during pre-game warm ups going through his defensive back drills. A fairly well put together kid, moving very well and decent height, remembering this is the kid that had the INT and TD reception a few weeks earlier. This was soon after I watched an "All-American" look good in warm ups only to not make any plays in the game, so I was still skeptical.
Then Thomas just exploded that Carol City game and he no longer could be over looked. You had to keep your eye on him, waiting to see what he would do next. He displayed great quickness, a knack for being around the ball, and the ability to just KO kids. The first thing I said was, "Oh my, a Big Ten school is going to swipe this kid and get themselves a freaking STEAL."
Miami gave him a quick looking following the season, but their class is loaded with safeties already (I bet Thomas turns out better than a majority of them, who knows maybe all). Obviously FSU is/was more than taking a look at him.
Clearly, we need to take a more serious look at Thomas. I suggest dropping slow defensive back Justin Bright, who most believe is only being offered a scholarship to secure goodwill of kids from Byrnes High School in South Carolina (a major Clemson pipeline).
Right now Western and Central Michigan are the only schools really after Phillip and he plans on visiting both in January. As coaching staffs across the nation start to fill up following the flurry of head coaching changes, I do believe some BCS school come January will jump in the fray, leaving WMU and CMU out in the cold.
FSU can beat out WMU and CMU, obviously. Unfortunately, we are a defined step below UF, UGA, Bama, LSU, etc. right now, and time is of the essence.
Will FSU make an offer? Time will tell. Can he play at FSU or any other upper tier BCS school, no doubt. I've a lot of good high school safeties this season including Webster, Zeke Motta (Notre Dame), Brandan Bishop (NC State), Rod Woodson (Alabama), Artice Kellam (Ole Miss), Jawanza Starling, Tevin McCaskill, Terrance Taylor. Those are some talented players heading to some big time schools, and quite frankly Thomas is better than most of them, maybe all.
This is not the kind of kid we need to pass on or disrespect. Why we used our most washed up disinterested recruiter on this kid is beyond me.
His technique slips and he relies on athleticism at times and he needs to continue adding muscle, but he has a nose for the ball and can be described with one word. EXPLOSIVE.
The "very athletic, needs more technique" description embodies many elite prospects. I bet Thomas would do very well at a school with a defensive backs coach.
Thanks again to Luke Stampini and make sure to visit www.SoFlaFootball.com !
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Merry Christmas everyone
My hope is that the extended influence of James Coley in south florida, offering kids beyond his sphere of coaching influence and on the other side of the ball, like Jarvis Byrd, bodes well for an offer for Philip Thomas.
While Chuck Amato has been nothing less than an ornery pest in all facets of coaching responsibility thus far, his detriment can be overcome if the other coaches (Namely Coley) increase their work load and push themselves even further. Not fair for them, but we’ve been working with one hand tied behind our backs with Bobby for a while now, losing another recruiter only nominally won’t dig us that much deeper.
It has been well established by virtually every poster on this site that we’re not going to make the headway we expect until there is a complete regime change. But if Jimbo and Coley are at least given the liberty to stock the cupboard as well as they can beforehand, then they may come out of it in an enviable position for a first time staff.
and for a DB coach.
If we get a new one, me thinks he will be very happy with what he has on hand.
Our goal is simple: Best in the land
We need to get this kid
Im getting sick and tired of Amato. It should be his job to watch this kids film, and he says he dosent have time? I really like what I hear about Thomas and i hope we can get him.
Regarding Amato:
I’ll add my speculation. I’ve been around Tally politics for some time, including a 2-year stint with the State.
Think about this from Amato’s viewpoint:: Why the heck should he work hard? What’s he got to prove, or work toward? He’s not about to get another HC job, not at his age. And he doesn’t want another assistant position— again, not at his age. His career is effectively over, folks.
So why did he come back to FSU in 2007? Simple. If I counted correctly, he was at FSU for 17 years. In 3 mores years, he gets the 20-year FL state pension. That takes us to 2010, my friends. Amato KNOWS he’s secure until then, and that he doesn’t have to do any more than show up at the office like any other under-performing government bureaucrat, because he KNOWS Bobby will not allow him to be fired and lose his pension.
The bottom line is Amato is here until 2010, and so is his buddy, Bobby. And Bobby continues to stick it to FSU for the benefit of himself, his family and his friends.
by tired nole on Dec 24, 2008 6:10 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
The way I understand state retirement,
he would be eligible at 17 years, once he reaches 60 or 62. Is there a special program?
by Bud Elliott on Dec 24, 2008 11:29 PM EST up reply actions
When he hits 20 years
Amato gets a significantly higher % of current salary to retire on, at least that’s how I understand it.
Besides being lazy why is Amato so incompetent this time around? During his initial stint here he produced quality LB’s and there was a tinge of regret when he left for NC State. Seriously, what happened?
This is just my personal opinion, but…
Amato’s allure was always his ability to recruit. If you bring in enough really elite talent, you’ll very likely end up with good players. He also carried this reputation as a disciplinarian. Unfortunately for Amato, his reputation for discipline was undeserved, as his NC State teams were well known for making dumb mistakes and committing stupid penalties (as opposed to penalties of aggression).
We really saw how overrated as a coach Chuck is when Amato left and Kevin Steele entered the picture. Our defense improved immediately, the players did much better with their assignments and play recognition. Steele was an excellent recruiter and a tireless worker. Florida State saw an improvement from Amato to Steele.
The Steele left and Amato had more than worn out his welcome at NC State. He improved the facilities and for a time improved the talent level. Unfortunately for him, his guys were very undisciplined and almost all of his success came from striking it rich with NFL pro bowl QB Phillip Rivers. Bowden hired Amato because he was comfortable with Chuck. I think there was a lack of due diligence here (my opinion only). Chuck was a comfort hire; as Bowden again placed friends bank accounts over FSU’s on-the field product. Most believe Amato is lazy at this point and was holding on to some pipe dream of again becoming a head coach at his age. Amato lost all his effectiveness in recruiting, wasn’t much of a disciplinarian (though he continued to ride his rep), and continued to be an average at best teacher.
I’m running a piece on this later, but we now have the OLDEST COACHING STAFF IN AMERICA. These guys don’t work as hard as other coaching staffs. They don’t connect with young black kids as well. Where Amato was somewhat eccentric and “hip” at 50, he is just creepy at 62.
I’ve heard really bad things about Amato being used against FSU on the recruiting trail.
I hope this sheds some light on the situation. It is the best compilation of what I head and believe.
by Bud Elliott on Dec 26, 2008 12:21 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Appreciate the insight
I can not believe we now play in bowls before New Years Day and that I am a sucker enough to still go. Oh well, maybe if I see Chuck my friends and I can ‘recommend’ early retirement to him….
so if this is the situation with Amato how about this idea?
Say bye to Mickey… Hire Hudson from ECU to be defensive coordinator and LB’s coach (he was LB coach at Cincy and played LB at Notre Dame)… Have T Buck coach the DB’s… and move Amato to assistant strength coach where T Buck is at so that Amato can still do nothing but still get the state pension plan
wouldn’t this work out best for everybody involved (except maybe Mickey who unfortunately has passed his time)? If we did this I honestly would be okay with Bobby staying around for another 2 seasons
by nolesblogger on Dec 25, 2008 2:07 PM EST up reply actions
I also didn't address the need to fire Jody Allen but that was a given
and I think Odell is fine to stay… right now i think the above might be the best case scenario for our coaching staff going into next season
by nolesblogger on Dec 25, 2008 2:10 PM EST up reply actions
Buckley has never coached DBs before. He isn't now. He's an Assistant S&C coach
I’d rather Hudson and Jimbo bring someone in they’re comfortable with. Lawrence Dawsey played here, but thats the not reason he got the job. He got it because of exemplary work as a GA at LSU and a WR coach at USF. He proved himself before he was rewarded a position here. The tension created with Carter being hired by Bowden before having proved his merit does not need to be repeated iyam.
Buckley coached DB's as a GA
and from what I’ve heard he did very well and that is part of the reason why he has been kept at FSU as a strength coach… i also think he would be a great recruiter for several reasons… i know that the players get along with him very well and he had a long career in the NFL so he knows what it takes to get there
by nolesblogger on Dec 25, 2008 10:02 PM EST up reply actions
Don't know why I am posting right now but anyway.
I am probably higher on Phillip Thomas than anyone else here.
Phillip Thomas is/would be/will be one of the top 5 recruits in the class. Especially at a position of need. And we have have Clown Amato on him. Ridiculous. Absolutely ridiculous.
Get Coley on him now. We offered Jarvis Byrd, which I never thought we would do, so I am confident that Thomas gets an offer from COLEY.
Thomas has ridiculous instincts, I mean special instincts. He is always around the ball, and he has great skills after he picks on a pass. I mean, he had EIGHT PICKS his first year of playing football (or after a year off). He is very explosive. I repeat, very EXPLOSIVE. He can deliver big hits. What more do you want in a safety? Apparently, our coaches want more.
Just plain STUPID of our coaches not to give him an offer right now. Should’ve been two weeks ago. Watch Alabama get on this kid, and he goes on to be an All-American.
FIRE CHUCK AMATO NOW. OFFER PHILLIP THOMAS NOW.
Merry Christmas!!
Our goal is simple: Best in the land
Coley needs to get on this kid. He has been outstanding in his recruiting this year and in previous years. Amato hasn't done a thing this year and we can't let these opportunities pass. We seriously need to readdress our recruiting process.
Jimbo and Coley are doing what we hoped/expected them to do. There are others who are doing well. But everyone needs to step up and be accountable for the continued development of this team. Right now, there is limited incentive as I feel many coaches feel they’ll be gone soon, which is a poor demonstration of character.
It's ok, after tomorrow Chuck can call and let him know he's ready to watch the film.
Wait… what? It’s a recruiting dead period? He wasted his opportunity to contact recruits? Oh.
At this point I’m not worried about firing Chuck Amato. I want to send him on a Fredo Corleone fishing trip in Lake Jackson. Bury him in the sinkhole.
Screw his pension. If he insists on doing absolutely nothing and running out the string like this I hope Fisher somehow rejects his resignation and fires him the day before he is pension eligible.
Welcome to the Florida State University Retirement Community errr… Football Coaching Staff. Where old coaches go to die, but somehow won’t.

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