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Noles by the Numbers, and other rumors

Happy Birthday Zebrie Sanders!  One of our baby linemen turns 19 today!

In this edition of Noles by the Numbers, I'll look back at the season that was, talk a little basketball, check out some trends, discuss bowl possibilities, name drop about a possible DC rumor, and link a few Nole items.  Blogpoll too (I messed it up this week)  The recruiting thread will be pushed back until Thursday, so don't freak out, recruitniks.  Will Robert Marve transfer?

Star-divide

Hearing Robert Marve might transfer to USF or LSU.  If it happens, it hurts Miami's QB depth.

I'm sorry to be talking a lot of Clemson in the past few days, but they are really trying to be the mover and the shaker in the ACC.  My Clemson buddy (the same one who guaranteed the Gator Bowl to the Tigers, yesterday, way before any other site had the information), says that Clemson is strongly considering Alabama "DC" Kevin Steele for their DC position.  This would be very bad for FSU.  Steele is a guy with FSU ties, a guy we can afford to get, an excellent coach, and someone who we do not need Clemson to get.  

 

Blogpoll (I apologize for leaving Missouri out-- that was unintentional, promise!)

RankTeamSTRENGTH OF SCHEDULE
1 Florida 51
2 Oklahoma 38
3 Texas 43
4 Alabama 68
5 Southern Cal 79
6 Texas Tech 41
7 Penn State 66
8 Ohio State 36
9 Georgia Tech 12
10 Mississippi 22
11 Cincinnati 32
12 Boston College 4
13 Georgia 13
14 Iowa 51
15 Oklahoma State 26
16 Oregon 61
17 Virginia Tech 5
18 North Carolina 14
19 Michigan State 37
20 Pittsburgh 44
21 Oregon State 28
22 Utah 110
23 California 62
24 Wake Forest 19
25 Florida State 2

I was running really short on time this week and it appears that I forgot to include Missouri.  Oh well.  I'd put them somewhere between 18 and 25 if I had a do-over.  

 

his is not a power poll.  I don't attempt to rank teams based on how good I think they are.  I only rank teams based on their resume.  The poll is designed to be dynamic.  I try to start from scratch every week.  I do attempt to reward teams for "quality losses", while punishing them for bad performances.  I do not give excessive credit for stomping horrible teams.  As always, I want your help.  Keep in mind though that I don't want "team X is way better than team Y."  I do want "team A has a better resume than team B, you should make the change."  Power poll rankings are dumb.

The teams ranked 11, 13, and 17 all lost to lesser ranked or unranked foes this past weekend.  Several others had scares  How are those power polls working for them?  I do not consult major polls when doing this.  Their record of futility is clear.  Let the teams earn their rankings on the field.  I try to remove as much subjectivity as possible.  The AP Poll and it's counterparts are silly.  Ranking teams based on who you think is good is not going to work.  We don't know how great teams truly are until they play the games on the field.  I rank what happens on the field.  This system is not perfect.  I like to reward playing well against good teams, win or lose, and punish losing to poor teams more harshly than I reward defeating poor teams.

 

Reward Grinders.  I like to reward those who play difficult schedules.  Those mid-majors do not have to prepare for difficult games on a weekly basis, and I take that into account.   After finally getting a chance to watch these guys, I realized that they are not at the level of ranked teams from major conferences.  Additionally, their schedule strengths were incredibly inflated because they had all played each other, who were also ranked highly.  These teams are not talented.  They are able to focus on their 1 game of the year against a big-6 conference team for several weeks.  The BCS team views them as a schedule break.  Letdown city.  I am really against power-polling, but none of these teams deserve to play in a BCS game and I am no longer rewarding teams in any way for simply not losing to the likes of Eastern Illinois and Nevada.  Utah is in, but barely.  I have no doubt that they would have at least 4 losses in any BCS conference (except the Big East).  

 

 

ACC/ BIG10 CHALLENGE

The ACC is now 3-3 in the ACC/ Big10 challenge.  Miami's star PG Jack McClintock was ejected early in their loss to Ohio State for being a member of a Miami based drug ring taking a swipe at the opposing defenser.

So far, here is what Ken Pomeroy has for the ACC (View this in wide-screen mode):

Overall  Conf
W-L W-L Pomeroy/Rnk AdjO/Rnk AdjD/Rnk SOS/Rnk NCSOS/Rnk

North Carolina 7-0 0-0 .9909/2 125.7/3 83.6/21 .6210/111 .6210/112
Duke 8-0 0-0 .9884/4 116.5/24 79.2/6 .6238/107 .6238/108
Clemson 8-0 0-0 .9682/16 119.1/16 88.5/45 .5008/182 .5008/184
Miami FL 4-2 0-0 .9541/26 115.8/26 88.9/49 .7730/47 .7730/51
Maryland 4-2 0-0 .9468/31 105.7/86 82.3/15 .8387/25 .8387/27
Wake Forest 6-0 0-0 .9255/40 104.5/105 84.0/22 .2063/316 .2063/316
Boston College 5-2 0-0 .9053/48 114.2/35 93.9/91 .6569/93 .6569/95
Georgia Tech 4-0 0-0 .8834/59 103.4/116 86.7/31 .1621/332 .1621/332
Virginia Tech 4-3 0-0 .8138/78 109.4/59 96.2/121 .5818/142 .5818/144
Florida St. 7-0 0-0 .7294/102 97.9/198 89.8/55 .4380/213 .4380/213
North Carolina St. 4-0 0-0 .6564/121 107.1/74 101.2/192 .0511/344 .0511/344
Virginia 3-3 0-0 .6091/129 106.8/80 102.7/216 .6119/119 .6119/120

The best conference in America.  In football AND baskteball.  Get some.

There are several big games tonight, including UNC- Michigan State, and Florida State- Northwestern.  Tomahawk Nation writer TrueCubbie will be at the game!  I'll have the preview up for this showdown after a bit, but, the game is on ESPN2! (For real this time).

 

ACC Only Numbers

I always find it interesting how teams are ranked against their conference foes while including out of conference games!  I went through and took care of all that noise.  The following numbers are calculated solely from each team's 8 ACC games.

 


Total Rushing
Passing
Punting

YPP PPP Net YPC Yds Y/A No
GTECH 5.88 0.33 264 5.3 101 8.1 4
NC STATE *
5.47 0.37 150 4.2 201 7.1 4
MIAMI *
5.35 0.43 124 4.0 221 6.6 5
FSU 5.12 0.39 168 4.5 175 6.0 3
UNC 5.05 0.37 114 3.2 193 7.9 5
CLEMSON 4.96 0.33 103 3.3 217 6.9 6
MARYLAND 4.92 0.25 103 3.4 218 6.3 5
UVA 4.69 0.25 100 3.5 208 5.7 5
VTECH 4.5 0.26 164 3.8 133 5.9 5
BC 4.44 0.29 120 3.3 196 5.6 5
DUKE 4.19 0.26 96 3.0 174 5.4 7
WAKE FOREST 4.15 0.21 113 2.8 167 6.1 6

Hmm, the Noles were 4th in Yards per play, and 2nd best in points per play.  2nd in yards per carry, and 7th in yards per pass.  The Noles punted less than anybody. 

Miami's performance is surprising, but remember that they put up rather big performances against teams in garbage time, racking up 420 yards against Duke, and a combined 780 in garbage time in losing to GTech and NC State. 

Let's turn to our friend, Adjusted Offensive Efficiency (a component of FEI, as we discussed Monday)

 

Oklahoma 0.626 1
Texas Tech 0.543 2
Florida 0.455 6
Pittsburgh 0.378 11
Georgia Tech 0.364 13
Nebraska 0.252 21
Florida State 0.247 22
North Carolina State 0.244 23
Northwestern 0.241 24
Boston College 0.206 28
Ohio State 0.187 29
North Carolina 0.179 32
Kansas 0.134 35
Miami 0.134 36
Maryland 0.133 37
Iowa 0.133 38
South Florida 0.116 41
Clemson 0.114 42
LSU 0.054 56
Virginia Tech 0.04 57
Virginia 0.034 58
Wisconsin 0.029 59
Notre Dame -0.078 72
Wake Forest -0.089 73
Michigan -0.101 76
South Carolina -0.117 77
Temple -0.163 86
Duke -0.178 87
Auburn -0.279 101
Central Florida -0.55 119
San Jose State -0.563 120

As you recall, this system only counts competitive possessions; not those where the team is racking up yards in garbage time.  This is the measure I trust the most, and it places FSU 2nd amongst ACC teams and 22nd Nationally, behind GTech, clearly the ACC's best team, regardless of Win-Loss record.

NC State clearly got their offense on track as the year wore on, and I don't feel quite so bad about our performance against them (they had over 7 yards per play against us... we just held the ball forever so they couldn't do much with it).  NC State might be a team to watch next year.

Wake Forest, on the other hand, is clearly losing its offense.  Jim Grobe won't (and should not) catch heat, but over the last 3 years their offense is showing a bad trend: 65th AOE in '06, 83rd AOE in '07, & 73rd this year, with by far the worst in-conference numbers.  They are bouyoed by their wins against Baylor (came on strong later in the year) and Ole Miss (ditto).  Dead last in yards and points per play.  They lost everything on defense, and will have to rely on their offense in 2009.  This is a 2009 game that I am NOT worried about.

Let me float this out there right now:  If we go 5-3 in the ACC and 8-4 overall next year, I will be pretty happy (depending, of course, on who leaves and who stays)

 

Player Departures

Yesterday, I was privy to some academic stuff regarding several players.  Let's just say that I am 99% sure Corey Surrency will not be back.  

In an unrelated note, I'm hearing that Spetman and Kelly Elliott are doing a good job bringing our programs up to code.  That is encouraging.  

With Patrick Robinson not having any knee damage, I expect him to go to the combine and test out really well.  This looks like it will be a good, but not great year for cornerbacks in the draft.  I currently project Robinson to be a late 2nd or early 3rd round draft choice, assuming he runs a 40 yard dash of 4.35 or less.  Remember tht Robinson was involved in Music Appreciatorgate, and grades could factor into his decision.  

As I reported months ago, Everette Brown has earned his degree.  I see no reason for the best college pass rusher to return for his senior season and any speculation that he will do so is probably foolish.

 

Bowl News

TomahawkNation member and frequent commenter TrueBlueApocalypse reports that 

I called a buddy of mine who works for the Gator Bowl committee, in no uncertain terms, here's why they picked Clemson
1. The drubbing we took from UF really turned them off
2. This would have been the 3rd time in under 15 months the Noles would have played in Jax
3. The city stepped in and basicly said invite Clemson. The reasoning? Clemson vs Nebraska will be a mini-Florida/Georgia for them revenue wise, where as FSU fans would have driven in either New Years ever or that morning and left.

Also, they're still feeling the sting from last year's debacle between Texas Tech and Virginia
Where judging by the attendance you would have thought the game was being played before Christmas and not on New Years Day.

It looks like we will play in the Champs Sports bown, December 27th, in Orlando.  

 

 

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I had to stop reading and comment immediately.

If Kevin Steele is looking to leave Alabama and we do not get him back here by any means necessary, I might just get in my car and run the statue over.

by MattDNole on Dec 3, 2008 2:24 PM EST reply actions  

And if he's upset about getting passed over for head coach in waiting.

TK Wetherall should crawl to Tuscaloosa on his hands and knees to get him back here.

No joke.

He would be my absolute top candidate for DC if he were available. Shoot, before Jimbo he was my top Bobby replacement. I think letting him go to a divisional rival would be devastating to the program.

by MattDNole on Dec 3, 2008 2:29 PM EST up reply actions  

What I hear at Alabama (since I go to school at UA)

is that Steele doesn’t get to do enough, and that Kirby Smart and Saban are the ones getting to call the shots.

by Bud Elliott on Dec 3, 2008 2:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Then I move we pay whatever or whoever we need to in order to get him back here.

Give him such a ridiculously long title he’d be a fool to refuse.

“Head Executive Defensive Coach in charge of Defensive Coordinating, Linebackers, and Recruiting Every Good Defensive Player we can get our hands on… In Waiting”

by MattDNole on Dec 3, 2008 2:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Think about CJ Mizell and Nigel Bradham

under Kevin Steele. I agree that we should give him whatever he wants. Excluding head coach in waiting though of course. :)

by FSUSOM on Dec 3, 2008 3:59 PM EST up reply actions  

I remember some rumors during the offseason

about Steele possibly starting up the football program at South Alabama. I just assumed he’d only leave to be a head coach. Seriously, if he’s considering defensive coordinators positions elsewhere, we need to back the money truck up to his front door.

by MattDNole on Dec 3, 2008 2:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Steele

I like Steele but frankly I don’t really care for him to come back. We need a fresh start with no hold-overs from the dark years.

5 years in a row? Getting beat 45-15 in our house? Second straight time they have beaten us at home en route to the BCS championship? When is this crap going to end? Force Bobby to resign and let Jimbo clean house on the defensive staff. Anything less is doing permanent damage.

by mp212121 on Dec 3, 2008 5:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Hmmmm.

Just because you were in Nixon’s cabinet, doesn’t mean you were a bad public official.

by Fsued on Dec 3, 2008 5:25 PM EST up reply actions  

True Blue Apocalypse?!

Anyways, why would Steele leave to become a DC at a lesser school? Unless of course Clemson opens up their pocket book generously.

Also to clarifiy on the bowl points abit, FSU was still the leading candidate for the Gator Bowl bid heading into the game. What swung it in Clemson’s favor was the fact we’d be coming in with our tail between our legs with a fan base with a less than stellar reputation for showing up, even for major bowl games. Also, the city of Jacksonville is looking to collect cash in any it can right now, and what’s a better source of income? At most 10K Nole fans or the 30-40K Clemson fans who’ll make a weekend out of it?

"I smoke. If this bothers anyone, I suggest you look around at the world in which we live and shut your mouth."-Bill Hicks

by Jonathan Loesche on Dec 3, 2008 3:56 PM EST reply actions  

Sorry about the name Blue. My apologies.

He might leave if he thinks Kirby Smart is getting all the credit for Bama’s defense.

by Bud Elliott on Dec 3, 2008 4:25 PM EST up reply actions  

All good bro! Nobody at Big Cat Country gets my name right either and I'm a writer there ;)

"I smoke. If this bothers anyone, I suggest you look around at the world in which we live and shut your mouth."-Bill Hicks

by Jonathan Loesche on Dec 3, 2008 5:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Saban isn’t exactly the easiest guy to work for.

5 years in a row? Getting beat 45-15 in our house? Second straight time they have beaten us at home en route to the BCS championship? When is this crap going to end? Force Bobby to resign and let Jimbo clean house on the defensive staff. Anything less is doing permanent damage.

by mp212121 on Dec 3, 2008 6:16 PM EST up reply actions  

There have been rumors

that SEC teams are on Marve hard.

by FSUSOM on Dec 3, 2008 4:01 PM EST reply actions  

Marve

Why would he transfer. Is Harris going to be the starter next year?

by fsunole23 on Dec 3, 2008 4:08 PM EST reply actions  

A rumor I read on the Mainboard

Miami @ FSU 2009 Labor Day

Rumors. Supposedly ESPN has contacted both schools about this again.

by FSUSOM on Dec 3, 2008 4:20 PM EST reply actions  

oh brother

I hate those labor day games… I’d rather we find a nice easy OOC opponent and then an easy but not terrible ACC opponent to ease us into our schedule. Starting with a big time game hasn’t worked well for us- the last 2 years we’ve lost our 1-A opener.

by tdchrisdavis on Dec 3, 2008 4:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Thoughts

1) Not sure why the same reasoning used by the Gator Bowl to take Clemson (a decision I don’t like but COMPLETELY understand and would have argued for if I was on their committee) wouldn’t apply to the Champs Bowl if VT is available to them.

If that’s the case, where does that leave us? Nash-Vegas? Charlotte?

2) If we weren’t “Dysfunction U” we would be nimble enough to hasten MA’s retirement, go grab Kevin Steele and overhaul the defense. Remember how painfully long the courting of Jimbo was? That’s a product of diffuse leadership.

3) Re: Surrency departure. Bleh. The slums of Chicago are filled with guys who were lights out in practice but couldn’t carry it through to games. Give me somebody like Easterling any day.

4) Re; P-Rob. Even third-round money is more than I’ll make in a lifetime. If that’s his projection, he’s gone. And that hurts. I don’t know if anybody noticed, but Mangum is TERRIBLE — I mean, he’s Mario Edwards bad. Totally unacceptable as a starting corner for a top-flight D1 program. I’d rather throw a freshman in there and have them learn the ropes early than watch him end up in the edge of the frame of a lot of Pontiac Game Changing Performance highlights.

5) re: Everett Brown. I really want to think about where he ranks as an all-time FSU D-lineman. For me, that list will always start with No. 50 at the top. So then the question is, where does he stack up with Boulware/Wadsworth/Wilson/Willie Jones/etc. I’d like to see his career and season stats before making a proclamation, but he’s clearly one of the best ever at his position.

6) re: FSU hoops. I’m going to watch some of tonight’s game — which will be my first time watching FSU basketball in a while. Saw Duke last night. VERY impressive. Henderson is a stud and they have a lot more depth. Zubeck’s feet have gotten quicker somehow.

5)

by Fsued on Dec 3, 2008 4:41 PM EST reply actions  

Mario Edwards LMAO. Terrible, just terrible.

Give me anyone that has thumbs over Surrency.

by FSUSOM on Dec 3, 2008 4:45 PM EST up reply actions  

agree on your points

Surrency is a heck of a blocker, but he doesn’t do much else.

I’m very worried about CB for next year. I’m hoping we find a JUCO soon who can step in and be at least decent next year, you’d think some good JUCO corner would love the chance to come to a school like FSU and play right away.

by tdchrisdavis on Dec 3, 2008 4:46 PM EST up reply actions  

1. The loser of the ACCCG can’t fall below the Music City. If the champs takes VT, we could go the the Music City. Miami wants to go to the Emerald. Charlotte definitely wants to take UNC.

2. Totally agree. Kevin will be in the upcoming series “scouting the country for a DC” (I need a better name for this)

3. I really hope PRob can be convinced to stay. He has the potential to be a 1st rounder with an additional year of seasoning.

4. When I consider the evolution of football, the OT position, the advanced in offense, and the fact that he had to play run and pass (those other guys usually played with a huge lead and could sit back and pass rush every play), I put Everette at the top of our defensive ends. I’m old enough to have seen Boulware and Wilson, and I think EB is better than them. Everyone will have their own opinion on this.

5. Totally agree with the youth movement on defense.

6. Don’t be discouraged if we struggle tonight. I’m taking Northwestern, as I don’t think we match up well here. Hamilton has definitely improved the talent, but it will be tough to compete in the ACC

by Bud Elliott on Dec 3, 2008 4:47 PM EST up reply actions  

What does this mean?

"In an unrelated note, I’m hearing that Spetman and Kelly Elliott are doing a good job bringing our programs up to code. That is encouraging. "

Thanks and good job, Uncensored.

"Your eyes can decieve you. Don't trust them." Obi-Wan Kenobi, the first sabermetrician...

by Curtain Jerker on Dec 3, 2008 5:13 PM EST reply actions  

That's who Spetman and Kelly Elliott are?

Thanks

"Your eyes can decieve you. Don't trust them." Obi-Wan Kenobi, the first sabermetrician...

by Curtain Jerker on Dec 3, 2008 5:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks again

Kinda OT, but does anyone know what Tuberville’s situation is?

"Your eyes can decieve you. Don't trust them." Obi-Wan Kenobi, the first sabermetrician...

by Curtain Jerker on Dec 3, 2008 5:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Lots of talk

That’s he’s out.

That would be a real bad move by Auburn, imo.

Truth is, if Alabama was 8-4 instead of No. 1, he’d probably be safe.

by Fsued on Dec 3, 2008 5:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Well,

he clearly screwed up the OC situation which put this season in the tank. But I don’t see the type of prolonged malaise which another school about which we sometimes post on this board has gone through.

This feels like knee jerk reaction to Bama success. Kind of like when the Yankees are doing well and the Mets go make some big splashy free agent signing to steal headlines.

by Fsued on Dec 3, 2008 5:39 PM EST up reply actions  

It is a dumb move

To me, Auburn is a victim of their own success. They are a worse program in Clemson. Bama and UGA steal their recruits to the North and East. If they win 32 games in a 4 year span, they should be elated.

by Bud Elliott on Dec 3, 2008 5:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Agree 100%

Some programs are destined to be 8-4 every year with a big season every decade, and there’s nothing wrong with that.

"Your eyes can decieve you. Don't trust them." Obi-Wan Kenobi, the first sabermetrician...

by Curtain Jerker on Dec 3, 2008 5:59 PM EST up reply actions  

What a stupid move by Auburn. Who is that one "Super Booster" who almost got Petrino to go there in 03?

He beats Bama 6 years in a row and then the one year Bama rebounds he gets kicked out? College football is getting ridiculous

"I smoke. If this bothers anyone, I suggest you look around at the world in which we live and shut your mouth."-Bill Hicks

by Jonathan Loesche on Dec 3, 2008 7:39 PM EST up reply actions  

You are an idiot.

If you can name one ranking objective, subjective, whatever that ranks the Utes lower than you have I’ll take that back. Utah has more BCS wins that your whole damn conference.

by DU Ute on Dec 3, 2008 6:27 PM EST reply actions  

Also, where did you get your SOS rankings?

The CBS Sports.com 120 has the Utes at 56. Isn’t that what you should use for their poll?

Congrats on being Urban’s bitch again, you must be used to it by now.

by DU Ute on Dec 3, 2008 6:32 PM EST up reply actions  

How many BCS wins does Utah have? 1?

How many national titles?

How many top 5 finishes?

How many NFL players?

Utah fan talkin shit ROFL

Can’t wait to see Utah get the shit beat out of them in their bowl. Hopefully it is Ohio State. I’m sure OSU is shaking in their boots at the thought of the mighty Utah Utes.

by FSUSOM on Dec 3, 2008 6:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Link broken

"I smoke. If this bothers anyone, I suggest you look around at the world in which we live and shut your mouth."-Bill Hicks

by Jonathan Loesche on Dec 3, 2008 7:44 PM EST up reply actions  

How long did you have to dig to find a system that ranks FSU in the top 10?

Convenient that it only counts games against FBS schools. nice when you can drop the 2 worst teams you play, maybe if Utah lost to 4 really good teams they could be ranked in the top 10 as well.

Try this: http://www.mratings.com/cf/compare.htm

there is one method out of 97 that ranks Utah lower than you do.

I respect FSU’s history and National Championships, but this year you just aren’t that good and you do play in a weak conference. If Utah and TCU played in the ACC they would be battling for the conference championship this Saturday.

by DU Ute on Dec 3, 2008 8:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Utah is undefeated and still nobody even includes them in the BCS championship talk. Shows how relevant Utah is.

5 years in a row? Getting beat 45-15 in our house? Second straight time they have beaten us at home en route to the BCS championship? When is this crap going to end? Force Bobby to resign and let Jimbo clean house on the defensive staff. Anything less is doing permanent damage.

by mp212121 on Dec 3, 2008 8:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Some people are talking about it, and it has merit.

Many pundits think the MWC is better than the Big East, PAC-10 and even the ACC this year. If any team from one of those conferences was undefeated there wouldn’t be much of a discussion, they’d shuffle them right into the NC game ahead of better 1 loss teams like Florida, Oklahoma and Texas.

by DU Ute on Dec 3, 2008 8:54 PM EST up reply actions  

takes some balls to come onto another team's site and call someone an idiot

play in a real conference and schedule legitimate out of conference teams and then come talk to us. and the fact that you beat michigan this year isn’t an argument

by Renegade11 on Dec 3, 2008 9:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Strength of schedule

How is it determined in the poll… I don’t see why all the ACC schools are rated so highly, above teams like Texas, etc.

by tdchrisdavis on Dec 3, 2008 8:45 PM EST reply actions  

Yeah, the MWC is sick

Hopefully the ACC can get to there level one day.

by Dent Street Nole on Dec 3, 2008 8:53 PM EST reply actions  

Your right; Colorado State, San Diego State and the Air Force would wipe the floor with them

If those 3 schools you listed were in the MWC I’d imagine Wake would finish 3rd, NC State about 5th and Duke about 8th. In other words, below average ACC teams would equate to above average MWC teams.

by tdchrisdavis on Dec 3, 2008 9:01 PM EST up reply actions  

i would say we could beat Utah, but our players wouldn’t care or be focused about playing them, so you never know.

5 years in a row? Getting beat 45-15 in our house? Second straight time they have beaten us at home en route to the BCS championship? When is this crap going to end? Force Bobby to resign and let Jimbo clean house on the defensive staff. Anything less is doing permanent damage.

by mp212121 on Dec 3, 2008 9:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Our players normally

don’t get up for second tier opponents.

by FSUSOM on Dec 3, 2008 9:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Enjoy watching your team go undefeated every year and still be irrelevant.

by Dent Street Nole on Dec 3, 2008 9:17 PM EST reply actions  

This joke comes to mind--sorry if it's offensive or tasteless..

What’s better than winning a gold medal in the special olympics? -not being retarded

by NOLEinTX on Dec 3, 2008 9:46 PM EST up reply actions  

LOL

5 years in a row? Getting beat 45-15 in our house? Second straight time they have beaten us at home en route to the BCS championship? When is this crap going to end? Force Bobby to resign and let Jimbo clean house on the defensive staff. Anything less is doing permanent damage.

by mp212121 on Dec 3, 2008 9:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Wow

This thread got hijacked and ruined.

Let’s not forget why this site is different than run-of-the-mill message boards.

by Fsued on Dec 4, 2008 7:10 AM EST reply actions  

I thought this link was interesting

I dont agree with all of his picks, but it’s always fun to play pretend! Heather Dinich had it linked on her site, but it is from Big 10 blogger (ESPN) Adam Rittenberg. Maybe it will spark some discussion.

I thought you were going to name drop for possible DC’s. Maybe I missed it.

by UNFNOLE on Dec 4, 2008 11:14 AM EST reply actions  

I meant it to be Kevin Steele

Tomorrow we will talk Greg Hudson

Then, next in line will be K.S., V. K., and some others. We have a list of 12 or 13 now, and the series should stretch until the bowl game.

by Bud Elliott on Dec 4, 2008 11:26 AM EST up reply actions  

Also, I didn't have time to read through all the comments

I dont know if this had been discussed, but I dont think Marve is very good. It hurts their depth, but they may be better suited to just have one quarterback in their rotation. I really don’t like rotating quarterbacks.

by UNFNOLE on Dec 4, 2008 11:18 AM EST reply actions  

Mavre vs Ponder reminded me of Weatherford vs Wright.

But their lack of QB recruiting lately makes me happy when they lose the ones they do have.

by MattDNole on Dec 4, 2008 11:28 AM EST up reply actions  

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