The Defensive Coordinator Wish List: Greg Hudson, East Carolina
The first in a series co-authored by Tomahawk Nation and ChantRant. These are not mirror pieces, so make sure to read ChantRant's take to get the full feel for East Carolina Defensive Coordinator, Greg Hudson.
As many of you know, speculation is rampant that Mickey Andrews, Florida State's legendary defensive coordinator will retire after this season. Jim Young with ACCSports.com has more on that possibility. Mickey Andrews is my favorite coach of all time. He has always done a great job for Florida State; conducting himself with honor and tenacity. Unfortunately, his defenses have begun to slip (discussed inside). Most don't believe he will be here past 2009 and some don't think he be here in 2009 at all.
Do NOT rule out the possibility of a farewell tour in 2009 for both Bobby and Mickey, with a young guy picked by Jimbo entering as a LB coach to replace Chuck Amato. Remember that Mickey let Kevin Steele work his magic with the defense from 2003-2006 (discussed inside)
When I first began to think about the next great defensive coordinator to pace the sidelines of Doak, I thought of several criteria. Youth was very important, as we need a guy who can set the example for the rest of his defensive staff by working a "Sabanesque" 90 hours a week. All of the guys in this series are under 52 years of age, and almost all are under 45. Greg Hudson is 41, and as you can see in Chantrant's piece, he is a tireless worker.
I looked for success at schools that didn't already have great talent. This is both success within the conference the team plays in and success developing lesser talented players. This is an important goal because Florida State is an awesome place to go to school and has really nice amenities to offer recruits. The 'Noles will always have the athletes, so it would make sense that we want a guy who will make the most use of that athleticism, and not just depend on the athleticism alone for results. Clearly, East Carolina is not a place for elite talent, but Hudson has done a nice job improve the talent level and coaching what he has.
They obviously teach technique and develop players. This is another play on the "doesn't just rely on a player's athleticism to ensure success" theme. FSU fans believe the current staff has not done a good job of doing this over the past 3-5 years. We want players to get better each year as a result of focused coaching efforts. His players do improve, but more evidence is needed to evaluate this.
They have the ability to make their players understand schemes, coverages. Their players appear to be prepared and understand the defense. These defenses often confuse QB's. This has a lot to do with being a film nut. The next defensive coordinator needs to utilize technology to isolate situations and tendencies, and call his defense accordingly. Like it or not, the spread is here to stay. That means quick reads and constraint plays. I do not have enough info about this at this time.
Their defense perform favorably in opponent adjusted advanced football metrics. This includes Adjusted Defensive Efficiency, FEI (the stat I used today to compare 2007 to 2008), and Phil Steele's Opponent Adjusted Pass Efficiency Defense. Hudson was the defensive coordinator at Minnesota in 2003 and 2004. In 2003, his defense posted an impressive 36th in Phil Steele's Opponent Adjusted Pass Efficiency Defense. In 2004, he lost his top two starters and the secondary suffered multiple injuries as they slipped to 78th. Injuries area major problem for smaller programs as they lack depth. From what I can tell, Hudson seems to favor stopping the run at all costs and does play a lot of man press. Let's hope he is good at teaching this coverage. You can watch ECU play for the Conference USA Championship against Tulsa, this Saturday, 12 Noon, on ESPN.
A quick note on Mickey's defenses in the above mentioned metrics. We used to dominate these categories like no other, even when adjusting for the Weak ACC. From 1994 to 2004, the Noles WORST finish in Phil Steele's Opponent Adjusted Pass Efficiency Defense was 40th! They finished in the TOP TWO FOUR TIMES! But there was a slide.
In 2004, we finished 22nd overall, allowing 54% completions, 8TD's and 16 INT's against weak competition. Our Rushing defense allowed.
In 2005, we slipped to 74th overall! The defense allowed over 200 yards per game passing and 15 TD's with just 12 picks against some horrible QB's.
In 2006, the defense did not return to the elite level, but did improve a bit with better health, finishing 43rd.
In 2007, despite not losing any starters, they slipped to 50th, their 3rd consecutive year outside the top 40.
In 2008, returning a loaded and veteran unit, the Noles are again outside the top 40, at 49th!
We also really miss Kevin Steele (linebackers coach from 2003-2006).
In 2002, we had our worst rushing D performance in years, allowing 3.7 yards per carry. Enter Steele. In 2003, we cut the number to 3.3 and tallied 36 sacks. In 2004, Steele jacked these guys to another level, despite massive losses in the offseason, as we allowed only 2.4 yards per carry (3rd best in NCAA) and tallied 39 sacks! In 2005, it was 2.9 yards per carry and 44 sacks! In 2006, Steele's last year, it was 2.9 yards per carry and 26 sacks.
Enter Amato, after Steele leaves, and watch the Run Defense match the pass defense's futility. In 2007, they only needed to replace one starter, and the unit went from 2.9 yards per carry allowed to 3.3, while tallying only 29 sacks. This year, Amato's poor coaching is again shining through, as the unit is allowing 3.7 yards per carry, their worst in almost 20 years!
In 2005, Hudson left Minnesota to become the defensive coordinator for East Carolina (his current position). ECU was coming off their worst rush D performance in twelve years, as they allowed 4.9 yards per carry and tallied only 15 sacks. Hudson immediately turned around their front 7 with an infusion of talent and an attitude change. They cut their yards per carry from 4.9 to 4.7 in 2005, and their sacks jumped from 15 to 20. It would have been better, had more than 4 linebackers from the entire 2004 3-deep returned (losing 8 of 12 linebackers, many unexpectedly). The year before Hudson took over was truly an awful defensive year for the Pirates. In addition to allowing those gaudy rushing totals, they finished 105th in Phil Steele's Opponent Adjusted Pass Efficiency Defense. Enter Hudson; Enter Improvement. Hudson moved them up 25 spots, to # 80, and they allowed 11 TD's while tallying 15 interceptions (good ratio).
In 2006, Hudson's unit again showed improvement. Follow me here. They allowed 4.9 yards per carry in 2004, Hudson arrived in 2005, cutting it to 4.7, and in 2006, Hudson's 2nd year, they cut it to 4.0. 2 years and a full yard less per carry. With Phil Steele's Opponent Adjusted Pass Efficiency Defense, they finished 105th in 2004, Hudson arrived in 2005 improving them to 80th, and again showed improvement in 2006, as they improved to 71st. Now, many will wonder whether the Pirate's improvement is because of the defense or the offense. The answer is both, but the Pirates defense has been carrying this team. In 2006, their Adjusted Defensive Efficiency ranked 41st, while their Offense ranked 66th! They also held a dynamite West Virginia team to only 153 yards on 42 carries (did lose the game).
In 2007, Hudson's front 7 again improved. They cut their yards per carry allowed from 4.0 to 3.9, and massively increased their sack total from 18 in 2006 to 27 in 2007. Their secondary was a different story. After suffering massive graduation losses they were decimated by injuries, and at one point were playing 4 guys out of position. They dropped to 98th in the country (71st in 2006). Obviously hampered by a secondary with everyone playing out of position, and youth across the board, Hudson's defense finished 74th in Adjusted Defensive Efficiency.
In 2008, Hudson's first ECU recruiting class has matured, and the players from the previous administration are no longer around. The front 7 is allowing 3.87 yards per carry (improvement shown in every year, though slight). They have 26 sacks (sure to best last year's total with 2 remaining games). Importantly, they are 45th in Phil Steele's Opponent Adjusted Pass Efficiency Defense! It seems playing the young guys in 2007 really paid off. The most telling statistic, however, to me is their improvement in Adjusted Defensive Efficiency, as they are carrying this ECU team with a National Ranking of 33rd! Skip Holtz gets a lot of credit, but his offense is riding the back of this defense, as the offense ranks 66th.
Strategy Note: Hudson favors massive defensive tackles, and smaller linebackers. He runs a 4-3 and plays the occasional rover.
Jimbo seems to trust Hudson. They worked together at Cincinnati for several years. Hudson is clearly not a candidate to jump a a premier head coaching position in the next few years, and that is appealing. I believe he would be a huge upgrade over Chuck Amato, both in recruiting and coaching, as many(including myself) believe Amato to be absolutely terrible. It might not be a bad idea to bring him in as the LB coach/ DCIW if in fact a farewell tour deal has been brokered between Bobby, Mickey, and the Adminsitration.
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I read the the bit on MA and like it. I think he was right. We are all after MA head for the last few seasons and we need to let him know how much we do care. He has done as much for FSU as BB. That being said he needs to know its time to step away. The games not passing him by. Hes not getting the players, hes not stopping the teams. We love him but in the end its all about winning. I know the ECU guy has a good def with bad players and thats cool. Would love to see what someone that can make a bad team good with not so good talant.
Sounds like a good candidate
I think its important that it didn’t take his recruits and his staff in order for him to start turning around the defense. We need a guy who can come in and be able to make it as painless as possible. I think you mentioned something important. Fundamentals. It is the reason why we couldn’t stop the zone run or options. I actually think we did some small things really well, but not collectively. That is what its going to take to make us the TOP defense in the nation (given we are still in the top 10).
I wish i was on a search committee for Jimbo. That would be so much fun. I will make my pick at the end of the series.
Small things are important, for sure.
I don’t think our defense is top 10 now in any overall measure.
13th in yards allowed (6th in ACC)
30th in scoring defense (7th in ACC)
22nd Nationally in FEI (I think the beat measure, as it only accounts for competitive possessions against 1-A teams). 7th in ACC
49th in Pass Efficiency Defense.
I addressed where I rank Hudson in some comments below
Uncensored, you've brought up Greg Hudson quite a bit...
…and now he’s your first profile. Is this because of the Jimbo connection, and some internet talk, that you started your focus here, or would this guy be your #1 choice with what you know right now?
I know the series has just started, so depending on how you answer, let me phrase it another way: If you had to choose today, would you take Greg Hudson? I’d be very comfortable with the hire.
Great read.
At this point, Hudson would not be my 1st choice.
I am not sure he is great with the technical stuff and might be too much of a ra-rah motivational guy. Football is an increasingly analytical game.
Nice piece
Good read, hudson seems like he would be a great choice to eventually replace ma.
Eh...
Disclaimer: I’ve shown my bias toward Steele in previous posts. But I’m aware we’re probably not getting him. So please don’t assume I’m reading this article with any shaded glasses.
2 quotes from the article:
“This year, Amato’s poor coaching is again shining through, as the unit is allowing 3.7 yards per carry, their worst in almost 20 years!”
“In 2008, Hudson’s first ECU recruiting class has matured, and the players from the previous administration are no longer around. The front 7 is allowing 3.87 yards per carry.”
If we’re going to call Amato an “absolutely terrible” coach, which I think he has been for the past 2 years (not to take anything away from his previous career), then why would we be desperate to hire someone whose rush defense is worse than Amato’s?
Obviously Hudson is playing with lesser talent, but I would argue that he is playing AGAINST lesser talent as well. Georgia Tech and UF have a way of screwing up your rush defense stats.
Clearly as the first of the series he’s the leader in the clubhouse, and I think he’d make a good candidate. I just personally wouldn’t offer him this job until 2 or 3 other guys had turned me down.
Who are your 2 or 3 other guys?
Just curious. With the frustrations taking a major toll on me this season, I have to admit I’m playing catch-up.
Don’t answer if you think it would spoil Uncensored’s series.
Here's how it'd go when I am Official Coordinator Search Coordinator
1. Call Alabama. Ask to speak with Kevin Steele. “How’s your day? How’s the weather? Wanna come bacK?”
2a. If he says yes, hire him.
2b. If he says no, “Can you put me on the phone with Kirby Smart?”
3. Repeat conversation in (1).
4a. See (2a)
4b. Continue calling around.
There are at least 2 others out there that I’d personally call before Hudson, but I imagine FSUncensored and ChantRant will be getting to them soon.
And let me say this is no indication of what Jimbo will do. If he likes Hudson and thinks he should be our Defensive Coordinator, then I guess I’ll also think he should be our Defensive Coordinator. Right now I’m not sold.
PS
I mention the Alabama guys because I think they are good and I have a theory about being a defensive coach under Nick Saban.
If the defense is awesome, Saban is going to get all the credit for it no matter what you do.
If the defense is terrible, Saban will get none of the blame and you will be a lot easier to fire than he will be.
Can’t be that much fun to work in.
It's a very fair criticism.
I guess I can only respond by saying that Amato is consistently blasted by everyone I speak with, and my personal observations of his impact on the linebackers.
this is just one guy
I though we were going to get a list of guys for the DC spot. Dont get me wrong Im cool with this but who else is there we could be looking at.
Looks good uncensored
I especially like the two main criteria you chose: Young and doing well without transcendant talent.
"Your eyes can decieve you. Don't trust them." Obi-Wan Kenobi, the first sabermetrician...
Good Stuff
I saw that the ChantRant article mentioned that the odds of getting Hudson are fairly low because Skip Holtz has the inside track to becoming Notre Dames head coach after next season. I have a very hard time believing this. I think Skip Holtz would be about the 10th call ND would make if they fired Weis.
by Dent Street Nole on Dec 5, 2008 3:37 PM EST reply actions
I like man press when it is taught good. You need to sprinkle in some zone though.
I must admit, I don’t watch a lot of ECU football.
One defense I love
is the Man-2 defense Miami used to run. Sick, just sick.
I don’t think we have the horses to run that though.
Why don't we have the horses?
Seems to run a defense like that you just need to get a pretty good pass rush from your front 4, and let your corners play more aggressive than normal.
I wouldn’t mind us finding a coach who uses zone more, either.
by tdchrisdavis on Dec 5, 2008 10:06 PM EST up reply actions
Well, for one, we don't have very good safety play and many (including myself)
think our guys are not very well coaches.
It’s too much to explain in a comment section, but I’ve been speaking with some guys recently, and they said this:
The Modern evolution of the spread is a direct response to the 8 man defenses promulgated in the ’90’s which were developed to stop the I-Formation offenses of that Decade.
Know whose defense was amazing in the 90’s? It is a serious testament to your coaching impact when teams have come up with an entirely new style of offense simply to combat the defense you helped popularize. Andrews and Stoops struggle mightily with these new spread attacks because they know how to run the very defense this modern evolution of the spread was made to counteract.
Look for more on this in the coming weeks. It will be sort of my tribute to Mickey Andrews.
But I feel like a man cover 2 puts less stress on the safeties and corners
A bit more on LBs and the D-line, which I think we can handle
We might not have the safeties now, but in a couple years I think we’ll be pretty stacked, at least depth wise, at that position.
I wonder what Myron would have done in a man cover 2 scheme… bet the FSU fan base would appreciate him more.
by tdchrisdavis on Dec 6, 2008 12:38 AM EST up reply actions
Furrther note on "horses"
We don’t have the front-7 personnel to stop most run games without an 8th in the box. Remember that Miami had BIG defensive linemen (large tackles of 310+ and DE’s of 270+)
Yesterday it sounded like Mickey was done after the bowl
But today it seems like your thinking he’ll return for 2009. Have you heard anything that’s changed your tune?
by Dent Street Nole on Dec 5, 2008 5:02 PM EST reply actions
it just said 2009 might be farewell tour.
it also said this: “some don’t think he be here in 2009 at all.”
Well, I heard a concession was made this morning that I am not confident in revealing yet until I can get confirmation.
If I posted everything I heard, this site would lose all credibility. It can be quite the chore sifting through all the stuff, much of which contradicts the other.
If you won't, I will. Here are the concessions....
Mickey Andrews will be allowed to open a bar-b-que restaurant in the lower levels of sections 3, 12, 26, and 40.
Those are the only concessions I am willing to discuss right now.
Again with the puns!!
Farewell Tour
I like the DC in waiting approach. Give BB and MA a farewell tour and in the mean time, plan for the future. My only issue with it is that a top tier candindate probably wouldn’t step down for a LB position in onder to stand in line for a year. I say that we give the tour to Bobby, and just name a part of the facilty after MA (maybe part of the indoor practice facility if we get it). I don’t think we should replace the other defensive staff until MA is gone because the DC should have a say in it.
I am not sold on Hudson, what else have we got?
How is Auburn’s defensive staff? I imagine they will be available soon.
We have 10 or 11 left.
Be patient, grasshopper. The off season is very slow. The main focus right now is seeing whether Jimbo stays!
hey
Came across this site right around the Miami game when on ESPN board, someone posted a link saying this was a great Nole page. Well, I owe my thanks to whomever did that. I have really enjoyed reading the commentary thus far. Just wanted to say hello.
Oh, and uncensored, thanks for writing some interesting articles, I am a 1L, and this has been the worst 3 months of my life. This site saved me on Wednesday when I couldnt study anymore after 9 days of 12 hour sessions. I literally lost it, and this site mellowed me out. So actually, thanks to all the people who post, this board seems to have a level of decorum, not to mention a levelheadedness that seems to be lacking whenever I look at the free posting board on Warchant.
I hope to be able to actually contribute at some point (3 tests next week), but yea, just wanted to introduce myself.
one more from the former lurker
just wanted to throw out the obligatory
GO NOLES!
Welcome, MiamiNole!
Finals are always tough. I type with 2 fingers and the girl at the registrars office was shocked that I knocked out 12 pages in 3 hours.
It gets better after the first year because you are used to it and hopefully have selected courses that interest you.
I highly doubt we will lose Jimbo.
I just read this and I don’t know if it has been brought up yet. Last year, after the West Virginia scare, they doubled Jimbo’s buyout to 5 million. Personally, I think it was bargained for after Jimbo broke the original rules by talking to WV. Way to go TK for locking him up!
I don’t know when the story came out, but props to Brian Landman at the St. Pete Times for posting it.
http://blogs.tampabay.com/seminoles/
Anyone catch the ECU vs. Tulsa game on saturday??
First, great, great site. I’ve been an avid reader for a while now.
Second, I turned on the ECU vs. Tulsa game to get a glimpse of Greg Hudson’s defense. I have to see I was impressed. He basically shut down the #1 offense in the country. Held them way below their average and caused 5 turnovers. Nice to see a DC attack a spread offense like that.
Could be a preview of our next DC vs. UM’s next OC.
by FtLauderdaleNole on Dec 8, 2008 10:17 AM EST reply actions
I did.
Comments in today’s scatterbrained update. His defense played really well.
Glad you signed up, FtLauderdaleNole! I suspect that is a name many here could claim.

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