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Can FSU keep Jimbo Fisher?... and SEC Championship thoughts

3:30 Update:  It looks like something started that "Jimbo to Auburn, Done Deal" rumor to stir up interest and they have now lost a bit of credibility in my eyes.  I had serious doubts that it was a done deal and that is why I couched it in the language below.  I continue to believe that Chuck Amato is done, that Jimbo very well could take the Auburn job, and that the administration needs to seriously act on the suggestions in this article.  To me, this seems like a real issue, and not a bluff.  I also continue to believe that some action(s) by those in power could go a long way to easing Jimbo's concerns, and that the actions need not be taken all at once.  

There is a persistent rumor that Florida State Head Coach in Waiting Jimbo Fisher has taken the Auburn job.  I am unable to get any Auburn person to confirm that he has indeed accepted the big money, however, so it seems to be smoke at this point.   If he has accepted the job, however,  I could think of no better time for Auburn to announce the new hire than during Alabama's biggest moment in 10 years-- the SEC Championship Game.

I love FSU to death, but to be perfectly honest, if I was Jimbo I would take the Auburn job unless FSU made some serious and immediate changes.  Frankly, Jimbo should be scared by the attitude and actions of the FSU program.  For now, let's proceed under the assumption that he has not accepted the Auburn position.  Inside I outline what could happen and what FSU needs to do to avoid a massive failure.

  • Why Jimbo Fisher would take the Auburn job;. 
  • What FSU can do to keep Fisher and avoid a program collapse; and
  • My thoughts on the SEC Championship game
  • Can the Seminole fan base support three subscription sites in the offseason, given this economy? 

Star-divide

Jimbo & Auburn

I first speculated about this on Wednesday, before any of the Florida based media outlets had the story.  There are some advantages to living in Alabama. 

At about 4PM on Wednesday I wrote:

Word is they're coming after Jimbo Fisher. 

They still are.  Auburn is a program hellbent on beating Alabama.  They are much more intense than we are.  They talk Auburn football 24/7.  FSU is a better program than Auburn, but the difference is not huge.  They play in the better long term football conference (though the ACC is better this year overall).

Jimbo understands that this program has fallen off in a big way.  We still do some things very well (recruit), but are massively behind the times as far as progressive tactics, facilities, etc.  Our booster base is shrinking and could theoretically fall below 10,000 in number.  We also have the sanctions coming and they could hit us hard. 

Take a look at a few of the things going on here:

Bobby Bowden is slowly killing the program as he has been for the last 7 years.  Our big time boosters are different than those at Auburn.  Instead of demanding excellence, they accept mediocrity while worrying about whether they could play golf with Jimbo (this is a commonly cited concern).  Auburn's boosters on the other hand, while meddlesome, recognized the slide into mediocrity under Tubberville (3 straight years of declining recruiting classes and the monster that is Nick Saban). 

Jimbo does more work than just about any coach in the country, yet is paid like an assistant.  FSU has thrown away over 20 million dollars on Bowden mediocrity this decade, and doesn't have any problem with it.  Jimbo deserves to be paid as our head coach immediately, as he currently acts as head coach, offensive coordinator, ace recruiter, and babysitter. 

As for the Auburn job, I was able to talk to some people with an Auburn perspective tonight, and here is what they believe:

  • They believe Jimbo to have a 5 million dollar buyout and have already stated that money is no object in this deal.  
  • Bobby Petrino is off the board as his buyout is 11.4 million due to a specific clause prohibiting him from going to an SEC west team.
  • Houston Nutt is off the table as he signed an extension tonight with Ole Miss.
  • Mike Leach is in play.  Texas Tech Graham Harell said that there is a "great chance" coach Leach leaves to pursue a new challenge.  Leach is weird, however, and some believe that his background (rumored to be Mormon and a bit of a losse cannon) could be troublesome at Auburn. 
  • Jimbo is the top target.  His wife is an Auburn grad and he was the OC at Auburn for 6 years in the 90's.
  • Turner Gill (Buffalo's head coach) has been bandied about, however this seems to have stemmed primarily from an interview with Sir Charles Barkley (an Auburn Alum) on 94.5 FM Radio.  This rumor is picking up steam after Gill's Buffalo team defeated previously unranked Ball State to win the MAC title.  Do not expect anything to come of this as they are worried about his connections in the south as well as other "cultural" issues. 

From AuburnUndercover.com's Phillip Marshall (free plug!)

Jimbo Fisher, offensive coordinator "head coach in waiting" at Florida State

It's hard to come up with a coach who would be a better fit at Auburn. Fisher spent five seasons as Auburn's quarterbacks coach. During that time, his wife, Candi, graduated from Auburn. She grew up in Birmingham. Fisher has not hidden his affection for Auburn.

There is little question that, if buyout issues can be resolved, Fisher would choose being head coach at Auburn over being head coach at Florida State. He definitely would bring several former Auburn players home to coach.

 

A lot of people believe that Jimbo is just using this to get a raise or to gain more control over the program and personnel matters.  I say that does not matter.  Anything he does in relation to staying at FSU is being done in the interest of making sure the program is in good shape when he does take over.   The fact is that he could easily leave and take the Auburn job.  FSU needs to play this perfectly.  Jimbo holds all the cards in this game and those in power for the Seminoles need to quickly examine their empty hand and fold.  Losing Jimbo would destroy the Florida State football program for the next decade, of that I am very certain.  Oh, and do you think he might take Trickett and Coley with him? 

What do we need to do to keep Jimbo? 

  • Let go of Bowden and the defensive staff immediately following the Bowl game; or

this series of events (I believe that all of these conditions need to be met, as they are bare minimum):

  • Strip Chuck Amato of any current recruiting powers and dismiss him following the bowl game.  I have reason to believe this has already been done and that Jimbo now has broad power to offer defensive players as he sees fit. 
  • Allow Jimbo to fill any vacancies that may occur this offseason.
  • Pay Jimbo a top 15 head coach salary (see comment section for list) beginning in the 2009 season.  He currently performs all of the head coaching duties and the offensive coordinator duties. 
  • Explicitly and publicly define 2009 as the last season for Bowden and Mickey (if Mickey doesn't retire after the bowl game). 
  • There are very mixed feelings on GT Coach Paul Johnson. 
  • Do not completely rule out a huge money deal for Will Muschamp. 

To those who say that Jimbo should want to stay and that we shouldn't want him if he is going to consider other jobs, I say get real.  Jimbo is doing an incredible job with a largely untenable situation.  There is no way he expected Bowden back for 2009.  He is not being compensated for his work in line with the packages of other head coaches at major programs.  The time for action and finality is now.  People need to wake up and realize that the new breed of coach works extremely hard, is cut throat, ruthless, will do great things for your program, but also looks out for his own interests.  There are no more Bobby Bowden's out there.  I don't expect Jimbo to last more than 15 years at FSU, but I do want him for those 15.    If the administration is so asleep at the wheel as to let Auburn steal our young superstar while keeping the useless old man, I will seriously reconsider my allegiance to FSU football until a new administration and staff enters.

 

The SEC Championship Game

I am very excited to see today's ACC Championship Game.  As you probably know, I go to Alabama, so I have extra incentive to see them beat the hated Gators.  Bama fans have been thanking me all week for Nigel's hit on Percy Harvin.  In any case, Smartfootball has an amazing write up on this game, which is essentially a coach's breakdown of the UF Offense

If the old running offenses of yesteryear, in reflecting earlier times, were like punishing boxers who engaged in matches where the biggest and strongest won, then offenses like Johnson's and Meyer's, in reflecting their times, are like martial arts: without sacrificing either strength or power, they punish you but also use speed, quickness, and cleverness to hit you where you do not expect and probe to find your weak spots, and to exploit them, without mercy.

You may remember his breakdown of Nick Saban's defensive scheme.  He talks about how Saban likes to be very aggressive on 3rd down, and combines that with some very specific coverage techniques:  

Saban likes to have his cornerbacks adjust their "leverage" on a receiver based on the receiver's split from the tackle and sideline. The theory is that if the wide receiver has cut his split down he has done one of two things: (a) given himself more room to run an out breaking route, or (b) cheated in to run a crossing or deep in-breaking route. So if the receiver cheats his split in, Saban has his cornerbacks align outside the receiver to defend the out-breaking route, because if he runs the in-breaking route the corner has help from the linebackers and safeties. Similarly, if the receiver lines up very wide (bottom of the numbers, let's say), he has given himself room to run an in-breaking route like a slant. So the cornerback will align inside the receiver to take that route away and on the belief that an out-cut from that wide will be very difficult for the quarterback. 

I wish we did this more consistently/ at all.  This is a finer part of coaching that we should employ more frequently.

More significant, however, is that Saban heavily coaches up "pattern reading" within his zone drops.  Pattern-reading, as opposed to spot-drops, is much like a matchup-zone in basketball. Defenders are responsible for zones but they basically play man on the receivers who come into their zones. Moreover, pattern-read teams begin by immediately coaching their defenders on how to recognize popular pass combinations (and indeed, the very concept of pass-combinations themselves), and each week zero in on the 5-15 most common pass concepts they will see from that opponent. When done correctly, pattern-reading defenders know exactly how to cover receivers in their zones and seamlessly (in a quite literal sense) pass the receivers onto other defenders as they run their routes. One thing that distinguishes Saban is that he uses pattern-reading in almost all of his coverages, including the traditional Cover 3, whereas many coaches only let certain defenders pattern read or only use it with certain defenses like Cover 4.

As he goes on to note, that is a Belichek staple.  Having a coach who can simplify this very difficult process and implement it in the limited amount of coaching time available to college coaches is a huge tactical weapon.  Combine this with coaches who put in 90 or 100 hours a week, with excellent athletes, and you have a recipe to take your defense to the next level.  

I strongly encourage you to visit those 2 links.  That guy puts in a lot of work.  My prediction?  UF 35, Bama 31.  What Saban has done with this defensive group is really remarkable (they are nowhere near as talented as the Noles 2008 Defense), but combining an understanding of 4th down math with elite QB play is a lethal combination in college football.  

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Top 20 head coaches, by compensation, per year

1 Bob Stoops Oklahoma $6,500,000
2 Charlie Weis Notre Dame $4,200,000
3 Pete Carroll USC $4,000,000
4 Les Miles LSU $3,751,000
5 Nick Saban Alabama $3,750,000
6 Jim Tressel Ohio State $3,500,000
7 Urban Meyer Florida $3,400,000
8 Kirk Ferentz Iowa $3,030,000
9 Mack Brown Texas $2,910,000
10 Bobby Petrino Arkansas $2,850,000
11 Tommy Tuberville Auburn $2,825,000
12 Mark Richt Georgia $2,800,000
13 Rich Rodriguez Michigan $2,500,000
14 Bobby Bowden Florida State $2,500,000
15 Philip Fulmer Tennessee $2,400,000
16 Mark Mangino Kansas $2,300,000
17 Greg Schiano Rutgers $2,250,000
18 Mike Bellotti Oregon $2,100,000
19 Frank Beamer Virginia Tech $2,100,000
20 Butch Davis North Carolina $2.100,000

by Bud Elliott on Dec 6, 2008 4:11 AM EST reply actions  

Our package should and will be evaluated by this number combined with part of Fishers current sal.

i.e. we are partially paying a head coach and a partial head coach, so the number should jump pretty good just because Bowden retires…

by truecolors on Dec 6, 2008 1:00 PM EST up reply actions  

I REALLY like Alabama in this game

I know you referred to incredible X’s and O’s analyses, but for me it boils down to this — the Gators are going to get punched in the nose in this game — for probably the first time since Auburn did it to them last year in the Swamp.

Also, I just love it when excellent teams are discounted over a prolonged period. While many times the “no respect” card is played even when it’s not germaine to the discussion, in this instance, there has almost been an assumption that Bama would get beat. They will bring more intensity to this game than the Gators.

Finally, this will be the first time since Ole Miss the Gators will be playing a team whose coach’s motivational skills will mean the team ACTUALLY THINKS IT WILL WIN THE GAME! This is huge.

28-24 Bama.

On Jimbo — I’m just not seeing it on Auburn. As dysfunctional as the FSU situation is CURRENTLY, it’s ALWAYS like that at Auburn. Any friend of Fisher would be counseling him to see the big picture — to see past 1 year. Why would you go to an inferior program just to be a head coach one year earlier? I’m not seeing it.

However, I like all the things that you laid out that should happen and so if he throws his weight around to achieve those ends, it’s fine with me.

Going to watch Appalachian St. play in the 1-AA semifinals today. If I die of hypothermia in Boone, name some part of the site after me or something …..

by Fsued on Dec 6, 2008 8:22 AM EST reply actions  

Have fun

This is where I make the obligatory geography joke, due to Ms. Teen South Carolina going to Appy State…

"Your eyes can decieve you. Don't trust them." Obi-Wan Kenobi, the first sabermetrician...

by Curtain Jerker on Dec 6, 2008 10:33 AM EST up reply actions  

By the way

If Jimbo DID end up as Auburn head coach, it would be hard to overestimate how damaging that would be to the program.

The short term effects are obvious:
1) Recruiting
2) We’d lose Trickett too
3) We’d probably have a losing season next year.

Longer term, however
1) Got to find somebody better.
2) Reveals for all the see the ineptitude of our athletic department
And 3), while some might not care about this, it would mean there is virtually no way BB goes out with the kind of send off he ought to have.

I just don’t believe JF or FSU would allow this to happen — it’s in both of their best interests for him to stay. Feels like a power play to hasten BB’s departure to me.

TK: “Bobby, I know you want to stay another year, but we’re about to lose our boy and we’ve got to move now. I’m so sorry.”

by Fsued on Dec 6, 2008 8:28 AM EST reply actions  

No way Fisher goes to Auburn

No freaking way. Its a lose-lose situation to leave FSU for Auburn. Sure, the money would be good but he’s 1-2 years away from making the same or more at FSU. And the intangibles here are just so much better for him.

by Team Banzai on Dec 6, 2008 9:01 AM EST reply actions  

FSU is a better program in 2012 and beyond

Auburn doesn’t have sanctions coming. I agree that it is a money thing.

Jimbo needs to be paid head coach money now.

by Bud Elliott on Dec 6, 2008 11:48 AM EST up reply actions  

You seem confident the penalties will be more severe than expected....

Any reason? I doubt they’ll be much worse than what we imposed.

by pbysh on Dec 6, 2008 12:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe I am stating it wrong.

I think the impact will hurt more than people think. I don’t necessarily think we will get crushed harder than what we imposed. I do think we get emasculated in the media.

by Bud Elliott on Dec 6, 2008 1:14 PM EST up reply actions  

That's nothing new

We’ve been getting ripped apart in the media for pretty much my entire life (I’m 24).

The difference is now we are throughly mediocre.

"Your eyes can decieve you. Don't trust them." Obi-Wan Kenobi, the first sabermetrician...

by Curtain Jerker on Dec 6, 2008 1:23 PM EST up reply actions  

I think it's laughable that the AuburnUndercover guy

thinks there is “little question that Fisher would choose being head coach at Auburn over being head coach at Florida State.” Uh, what on earth would lead him to believe that. The FSU job is considerably better than the Auburn job. The people in that state are even more delusional about CFB than I thought.

by Dent Street Nole on Dec 6, 2008 10:40 AM EST reply actions  

The Auburn job...

Just got a lot less sexy. By firing Tuberville, they said to all coaches that averaging nine wins a year, beating your biggest rival 70-percent of the time, having a national championship-caliber season and graduating your players isn’t good enough. What coach, especially a young, unproven one, would want to jump into that. That’s setting yourself up to be fired in three years.

by FSUGrad99 on Dec 6, 2008 11:16 AM EST up reply actions  

Oh, we're not great shakes either

The boosters haven’t come up with the money for the indoor facility and our university leadership is weak. Thing is, I think our problems are easier to fix than Auburn’s. They have too much noise in the system, so to speak.

by FSUGrad99 on Dec 6, 2008 12:16 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't know what you can shed light on

but how soon do you think we will know about Jimbo fisher?

I agree that its a reality that there is little sentiment aside from how much money a coach is going to get paid these days, but in the long run that type of rockstar CEO-esque, come in on a parade and work magic for 5-10 years, will only lead to the degradation of college football.

This is isn’t necessarily any particular person’s fault, but that type of short-term, inflated salary before producing, shredding contracts by getting the other program to pay you enough to cover yourself, will probably spiral out of control— leaving fans, players who want to be coached into the NFL and programs in a dizzying whirl of power (money) and ego. Then the only fun becomes how does one play the game of not getting the shaft instead of the game as how it was meant to be enjoyed: it will attract those type of people.

by FSUvaFan on Dec 6, 2008 11:16 AM EST reply actions  

I'm not sure. I keep hearing they want one before new years, but thats just Auburn fans talking. (Not anything official)
This is isn’t necessarily any particular person’s fault, but that type of short-term, inflated salary before producing, shredding contracts by getting the other program to pay you enough to cover yourself, will probably spiral out of control— leaving fans, players who want to be coached into the NFL and programs in a dizzying whirl of power (money) and ego. Then the only fun becomes how does one play the game of not getting the shaft instead of the game as how it was meant to be enjoyed: it will attract those type of people.

I think you’re late on this. It has already become this to an extent.

by Bud Elliott on Dec 6, 2008 1:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Amen.

If we let this happen, I will be seriously jaded!

Can someone in this community start some sort of email pettition like the one that finally got action on Jeff Bowden?

I’m not normally this type of activist, but we need a Hire Fisher Now pettition that says he should be made head coach NOW!

by truecolors on Dec 6, 2008 1:03 PM EST reply actions  

Or pay him like one now.

It makes sense to me that head coach work should be compensated with head coach dollars.

by Bud Elliott on Dec 6, 2008 1:24 PM EST up reply actions  

jimbo

Wow. Do you think FSUnsensored is angry?

by Okinole on Dec 6, 2008 1:09 PM EST reply actions  

We need some sort of email petition supporting a strong move at Fisher NOW....

similar to the one that had a cabillion hits before they finally made the move of Jeff Bowden… how can we “be heard” and who does it need to be sent to ?

by truecolors on Dec 6, 2008 1:22 PM EST up reply actions  

I also think our booster program needs an overhaul in an attempt to entice young donors to give small amounts

Worked for O’Bama. Works for Clemson. All my struggling Law school Clemson buddies give their chest-thumping $25 to the Clemson boosters and they get their sticker and the ability to feel like they make a difference in the program.

by Bud Elliott on Dec 6, 2008 1:17 PM EST reply actions  

IPTAY

“I Pay Twenty A Year” is Clemson’s lower-level booster program. It’s huge. The upstate of All of South Carolina is littered with these bumper stickers.

by NOLEinTX on Dec 6, 2008 1:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Right. Couldn't think of the name. FSU should hook in young people, like myself, make them feel relevant, and then reap the benefits once I get a job and make money.

The football program really has distanced itself from the young alumni. It is their job to make us interested again. People can sense when the best foot is not being put.

by Bud Elliott on Dec 6, 2008 1:35 PM EST up reply actions  

There is a $60 booster level

It’s just not well promoted… but you do get the license plate. I’ll be very honest and say that the bigger booster money still comes from my parents for the football tickets. I choose to throw my “booster donation” to some of the varsity clubs out there that benefit from $100 or $250 much more than the football team does. $250 does a lot more for the softball team or swim team than for football.

"May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't." - General George S. Patton

by NoleCC on Dec 6, 2008 2:00 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree that it is important to support all the sports,

though doesn’t FSU share the money they make between the sports? $250 invested in FSU football might turn in to $350 for FSU athletics.

by Bud Elliott on Dec 6, 2008 2:18 PM EST up reply actions  

I doubt it

I have a ton of problems with Seminole Boosters over the years…

I’ve had my softball club donation go to (I kid you not) the football program, the baseball program and the swimming and diving program, all because Seminole Boosters, Inc. is run poorly imho. Club money is supposed to go to ONLY the program that you donate that money to. General fund money goes to all the sports.

On the phone with any of them, from the low up through the VPs of it, it’s apparent that they don’t give a crap about much other than football, and then kinda sorta about baseball and men’s hoops. The women’s sports aren’t even on their radar. I understand that to a degree, but they should damn well make sure my money goes where it’s supposed to, because I don’t believe for a second that I’m the only one it’s happened to.

Even better, go check the FSU Softball (Dugout Club) page at Seminole-Boosters.com. It still lists JoAnne Graf as head coach.

I guess the moral of the story is don’t hold your breath for any brilliant ideas coming out of them, especially if it comes to something smart like IPTAY.

"May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't." - General George S. Patton

by NoleCC on Dec 6, 2008 2:30 PM EST up reply actions  

What about this project 3000 thing?

Who’s brainchild is that?

Uncensored…you can never go wrong with women’s volleyball or soccer. You don’t have to care about the score to watch.

by Weasie on Dec 6, 2008 2:55 PM EST up reply actions  

How much would this really help?

We aren’t selling out home games right now. Maybe this would be a good idea in a better economy but I don’t know how much it would take off. Sure you and I would pay that sort of yearly fee but how many other people? I would guess it would improve the prospects of the athletic department’s budget but not to the degree of a Clemson.

You just don’t have the rabid fan base at a school like FSU. That’s neither good nor bad it’s just how it is.

by evenflow58 on Dec 8, 2008 10:40 AM EST up reply actions  

Interesting enough I just received a request for a donation to the school in general. I can get a free refrigerator magnet with my gift. This is the last thing you read on what was sent to me. Why is it not on the cover? I want crap that I will never use. Also, how can I show off my loyalty with a refrigerator magnet? I can’t carry this thing around with me. Give me a bumper sticker so I can prove to other people that I’m better than them because I gave to my school. I don’t think the marketing department understands marketing concepts at all.

Note: I did have to retake a marketing class but at least the lessons rubbed off on me eventually.

by evenflow58 on Dec 8, 2008 6:11 PM EST up reply actions  

With the new ticket system this year, students who give at least $25 to the boosters, gain better odds of getting a ticket in the event that they need to do a lottery. I almost donated, but then I realized the tickets probably weren’t going to sell out this year.

by Jaguar on Dec 6, 2008 1:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Hmm

This is interesting.

I assume you are very unhappy with the way the online registration and print system worked?

Here at Bama the tickets are loaded onto your ID card.

by Bud Elliott on Dec 6, 2008 2:15 PM EST up reply actions  

How do they handle tickets at Alabama when more students that want to go than there are seats available?

It’s sucks for freshmen at FSU. Seniors and graduates receive 4 chances to win a ticket when there is a lottery, freshmen receive one chance. I’m a graduate, but I don’t think I’m four times more worthy of a ticket than a freshmen who pays the same fees.

Also I was used to waking up early and standing in line for a ticket every week. I had no problem doing that. The hardcore fans always got a ticket. Now the lazy people are just as likely to get a ticket as the more hardcore fans because of the online registration that is open for three days.

The new system hasn’t been a problem this year, but if FSU ever starts becoming a contender again, it will be.

by Jaguar on Dec 6, 2008 2:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh, it is a first come, first serve basis for student SEASON tickets. They are NOT free. I believe it was $80 bucks.
Also I was used to waking up early and standing in line for a ticket every week. I had no problem doing that. The hardcore fans always got a ticket. Now the lazy people are just as likely to get a ticket as the more hardcore fans because of the online registration that is open for three days.

Remember camping out in ’03 when the fence broke for the Miami game and they tried to arrest everyone who climbed over?

by Bud Elliott on Dec 6, 2008 2:34 PM EST up reply actions  

That was my first year at FSU, I don’t remember it that well. I was at the game and I know I stood in line and got at ticket. Only because someone offered to buy my ticket for a ridiculous amount later. Then they flaked out and I showed up to the game late. My seat was taken, so I stood the isle, but got kicked out because I got an argument with the attendant about standing in the isle. Now I always show up really early and sit and my assigned seat like a goody goody.

by Jaguar on Dec 6, 2008 3:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I remember that. My friend came into work all cut up because she got pushed into the fence that fell down. She got her tickets though so she was happy.

I was only able to participate in the camp out my freshmen year but it seemed like everybody was pretty well behaved and just having a good time. I don’t understand why they changed it. I said it was an assinine decision then and I still say it is (that’s only because I can’t think of a worse word for it though).

by evenflow58 on Dec 8, 2008 10:33 AM EST up reply actions  

But that was related to the Nike sweatshop thing. I’m not doubting your knowledge of the situation just noting that the two don’t seem to go hand in hand.

by evenflow58 on Dec 8, 2008 12:35 PM EST up reply actions  

The connection is the loitering/ camping out.

That’s how it was told to me. Something like “we can’t ban them from the camping if we allow you to loiter for these tickets…”

by Bud Elliott on Dec 8, 2008 12:37 PM EST up reply actions  

I remember it this way as well.

That Miami day was crazy. Absolutely crazy. I remember being in line and hearing rumors about people trapped in the outfield because the police couldn’t arrest so many of them at one time. They just locked them in the stadium until they could deal with them.

Then the freaking game was played in a monsoon.

by MattDNole on Dec 8, 2008 1:08 PM EST up reply actions  

That’s a cop out. There were major financial issues with tent city as that sod had to be replaced.

by evenflow58 on Dec 8, 2008 6:07 PM EST up reply actions  

lol

Because no other school would do that and FSU would never get a coach.

"May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't." - General George S. Patton

by NoleCC on Dec 6, 2008 2:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah... except it's worse than that

A lot of these guys have good records, then get a big check and a kick out the door. Tuberville alone cracks me up.

"May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't." - General George S. Patton

by NoleCC on Dec 6, 2008 2:31 PM EST reply actions  

I think Auburn made a massive mistake cutting Tubbs. They struck gold with his hire, he consistently had them competitive in the SEC, and he only got really good when Bama was way down. To an outsider who is very close to the scene (living in Alabama), it seems that Auburn somehow thought they could make the leap to the elite, when in fact they had reached their peak.

If I can fault Tubbs, it is for his meddling on the offensive side of the ball and his insane loyalty to his offensive guys. This article is very informative and helps to explain why Tony Franklin’s offense did not work: http://smartfootball.blogspot.com/#5203428815537026014 Jimbo can get Auburn to about where Tubbs had them, which I believe Auburn people should have been very happy to have.

by Bud Elliott on Dec 6, 2008 2:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Jimbo / Auburn / Tub

I agree about where Jimbo could take them… which would suck for him, because Auburn’s fanbase is delusional.

"May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't." - General George S. Patton

by NoleCC on Dec 6, 2008 2:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Delusional?

As a Auburn fan, I can tell you that we are not delusional but then again I guess I could be a little biased. The AuburNation just expects a little more. Yes, we have Tuberville to thank for raising our expectations but anyone could see that we were starting to struggle under his leadership. He didn’t allow the offensive coordinators to do their job. Tuberville will go down has one of Auburn’s greatest coches but his resignation/firing was something that needed to happen.

Maybe the board of trustees at FSU can learn from this one incident and force Bowden out because if it doesn’t happen then you will lose Jimbo Fisher. Auburn is coming after him hard and from reports here in Alabama he could very well be named the next coach at Auburn by the end of next week.

by kerr024 on Dec 6, 2008 3:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Do you honestly think Auburn could wih a National championship now that UGA and Bama aren't way down at the same time?

I think Auburn should expect to win the west twice per decade.
Bama and LSU should win 7 of the 10
Auburn could reasonably expect to get 2
One other program could win 1.

On average. Over a decade.

Also, many of us think this is a bluff by Jimbo.

by Bud Elliott on Dec 6, 2008 3:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Also, Uncensored

Arkansas isn’t going away anytime soon. Petrino has a good class coming in and with Mallet on board they are only getting better.

"Your eyes can decieve you. Don't trust them." Obi-Wan Kenobi, the first sabermetrician...

by Curtain Jerker on Dec 6, 2008 3:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Think it's a bluff?

I’d almost guarantee it’s a bluff. Again, why would he leave a better situation at FSU to go to Auburn, where the crappy leadership is with the Board of Trustees. Our crappy leadership is just with the president, and he’ll be gone in a year anyway.

FSU has a higher ceiling than Auburn, has just as much money and plays in a weaker conference….yeah, I’m going to throw that away to answer to Bobby Lowder.

by FSUGrad99 on Dec 6, 2008 3:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Not by Jimbo per se

but by his agent for sure… what does it hurt from a business perspective? Bluff, and maybe get some money, bluff and maybe get some money at a new job, or honor your current contract. Win, win, win.

"May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't." - General George S. Patton

by NoleCC on Dec 6, 2008 3:28 PM EST up reply actions  

I am glad you said contract.

This is far from a moral issue. if Auburn wants to pay 5 Million, there is nothing wrong with that in my eyes.

by Bud Elliott on Dec 6, 2008 3:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed

That’s business. I think it’s insane, mind you, but it’s business.

"May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't." - General George S. Patton

by NoleCC on Dec 6, 2008 3:35 PM EST up reply actions  

You just used the word

AuburNation. Wow.

Anyway, one the greatest coaches needed to go? That’s backwards logic to me, but I ready to admit that I don’t know everything about that situation. My only feeling is that Auburn is in a tough recruiting spot as long as Alabama and Georgia have strong programs, however fans usually refuse to take that into account.

"May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't." - General George S. Patton

by NoleCC on Dec 6, 2008 3:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Tubb's coaching level didn't decrease

Tubbs coached well, auburn did really well… while Bama was down (and UGA was good, not elite).

Tubbs coached well, auburn went to where Auburn should be when Bama and Georgia are very good… and that is a slightly above avg SEC team.

Pretty simple, no?

by Bud Elliott on Dec 6, 2008 3:22 PM EST up reply actions  

He is reaping what he sewed in my opinion. When you are short with your coaches the populace becomes short with you.

I do agree this has just as much, if not more, to do with Alabama’s season than Auburn’s.

by evenflow58 on Dec 8, 2008 10:34 AM EST up reply actions  

ECU Defense

East Carolina’s D is looking good against the Tulsa O that averages 49 PPG. I think you may be on to something with their DC

by basbalstr101 on Dec 6, 2008 2:52 PM EST reply actions  

I have mixed feelings here.

He is running some stuff that I am not impressed with, but it seems to be working. Tulsa has some physical limitations that better opponents do not.

We’ll discuss this further at length in the off season. I am very impressed with the results, slightly less with the process.

by Bud Elliott on Dec 6, 2008 3:13 PM EST up reply actions  

This is a terrifying rumor to me.

I am 100% certain that if Jimbo leaves Coach Bowden will assume he can stay for 5 more years.

Maybe even try to hire his son.

My day is pretty much shot now.

by MattDNole on Dec 6, 2008 3:33 PM EST reply actions  

B the W the Tallahassee Democrat...

has a very interesting article about what Athletic Director Wetherall has to say.

NoleCC can call me out all he wants, but TK Wetherall is nothing more than an Athletic Director at this point.

by MattDNole on Dec 6, 2008 3:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Annoyed by this. Why say anything other than “He is under contract and we expect him to be our next head coach”

by Bud Elliott on Dec 6, 2008 3:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Because TK is a hunter and he shoots from the hip.

-Is the positive way to spin that.

Because he is a freaking idiot with poor leadership ability.
-Is the negative way.

by MattDNole on Dec 6, 2008 3:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Because that wouldn’t really engender Fisher to FSU. If you really think this program is set back a long way by Fisher leaving (and I think T.K. does) then you do anything and everything to play nice with Fisher.

The bottom line is that it is in both FSU’s and Fisher’s best interest to let these rumors fly. It also makes pushing Bowden out the door a whole lot easier. I have no problem with any side of it.

by evenflow58 on Dec 8, 2008 10:38 AM EST up reply actions  

I laughed out loud, Matt.

But surely not even CC can take offense to that.

by TRMNole on Dec 7, 2008 5:50 PM EST up reply actions  

3?

hehehe… I hate the #1, because of the attitude they generally take with people not in their chosen clique… but the other ones are pretty awful most of the time, no?

"May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't." - General George S. Patton

by NoleCC on Dec 6, 2008 4:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Doom and gloom

I respectfully disagree with your doom and gloom outlook of FSU. This is an attractive job for any candidate, so if Jimbo goes to Auburn (still don’t buy it) I am confident we can find a qualified candidate to step in.

The issue is just getting the old man out the door. I really don’t care if Jimbo is the guy or not, just get rid of Bowden (and with him the defensive coaching staff). Therefore, I believe these developments in the Auburn search are the best case scenario for us, because at the very least it will get the wheels in motion for Bowden’s forced retirement.

As for Jimbo, I’m sure the WVU job was much more attractive for him than the Auburn job, and he turned that down to be HCIW at FSU.

Roll Tide!

5 years in a row? Getting beat 45-15 in our house? Second straight time they have beaten us at home en route to the BCS championship? When is this crap going to end? Force Bobby to resign and let Jimbo clean house on the defensive staff. Anything less is doing permanent damage.

by mp212121 on Dec 6, 2008 4:43 PM EST reply actions  

I agree to a point

Losing Jimbo (and Trickett) means we lose a lot of time. We need that time.

"Your eyes can decieve you. Don't trust them." Obi-Wan Kenobi, the first sabermetrician...

by Curtain Jerker on Dec 6, 2008 4:48 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah, but

it comes down to personal preference, and I believe Jimbo would take the WVU job over the Auburn job. Just my opinion.

5 years in a row? Getting beat 45-15 in our house? Second straight time they have beaten us at home en route to the BCS championship? When is this crap going to end? Force Bobby to resign and let Jimbo clean house on the defensive staff. Anything less is doing permanent damage.

by mp212121 on Dec 6, 2008 9:29 PM EST up reply actions  

We will lose recruits and current players will transfer. Combined with the upcoming loss of scholarships, FSU will be in real bad shape for a few years. By the time we get all of the scholarships back and depending on how the new staff fares, FSUs talent level could be way down. It could take quite a while to recover.

by Jaguar on Dec 6, 2008 5:00 PM EST reply actions  

Eh, this all depends on how far up the NCAA committee has their collective heads up their rear ends

We’re not gonna get the death penalty to the chagrin of many Gator fans, but I’m thinking the NCAA will throw us a bone because Bobby is retiring. I say they rule FSU did enough for now, but if anything else is uncover or something new pops up in say 2 years, then we’ll be screwed.

"I smoke. If this bothers anyone, I suggest you look around at the world in which we live and shut your mouth."-Bill Hicks

by Jonathan Loesche on Dec 6, 2008 8:01 PM EST up reply actions  

We cannot lose Jimbo.

We have been rebuilding for the past two years, and are a couple of recruits away from having all the pieces in place for him to run his offense. If he leaves, the new coach and OC would have to recruit to their style, and we repeat the last two years of rebuilding to get where we are this year.

by basbalstr101 on Dec 6, 2008 5:07 PM EST reply actions  

Link posted on Warchant, http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/college/seminoles/orl-jimbo-fisher-to-stay-at-fsu-120608,0,3246913.story

“Jimbo Fisher will not leave Florida State to become the head football coach at Auburn, FSU President T.K. Wetherell told the Orlando Sentinel on Saturday afternoon.”

by Jaguar on Dec 6, 2008 5:21 PM EST reply actions  

Interesting article

But if Wetherell doesn’t think Auburn has the money to swoop in and take Fisher he is mistaken. Lower, the guy that pulls the strings at Auburn, is CEO of Colonial Bank. They just got $550 million from the Government bailout plan. So paying the buyout at FSU is no problem for Auburn.

The real question is, does Fisher want to wait until 2010 to become the next head coach at FSU or would he like to take the Auburn job?

by kerr024 on Dec 6, 2008 5:41 PM EST up reply actions  

I am ready for a new era

I respect Bobby for all he has done but it is time we join the 21th century. We are stuck between a rock and a hard place; I hope that Jimbo stays if he doesn’t Bobby needs to go away.

by Legal_Seminole on Dec 6, 2008 5:37 PM EST reply actions  

Lowder

Somehow I don’t think the government would be down with Lowder to use bailout money to buy a new head coach for his favorite football team.

Jimbo isn’t going to Auburn. Now lets get back to worrying about when our 80 year-old head coach will call it quits.

by Dent Street Nole on Dec 6, 2008 5:51 PM EST reply actions  

Alabamas d

They are playing great against Florida. Steele is a great coach

by fsunole23 on Dec 6, 2008 6:42 PM EST reply actions  

Are you sure

you want to stick with that after 31 points?

"May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't." - General George S. Patton

by NoleCC on Dec 6, 2008 7:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Those last 2 TD drives were astounding

But bleh, I mean, these two fanbases have the most “Our shit doesn’t stink” attitudes in college football so saying I wanted a team to “Win” this game is something of a misnomer. But damn, theres only one Bama fan at my job compared to the UF crowd.

"I smoke. If this bothers anyone, I suggest you look around at the world in which we live and shut your mouth."-Bill Hicks

by Jonathan Loesche on Dec 6, 2008 7:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Blown call

When Bama was up 20-17 and Demps got tackled 2 yards shy on 3rd down that facemastk call was ridiculous. The defender grabbed the shoulder, not the mask. UF turned it right into 7 points.

by tdchrisdavis on Dec 6, 2008 7:49 PM EST reply actions  

Sure, but UF was still definitely the better team.

Also, how many 3rd and longs did Bama not try to go underneath on to try to set up 4th and manageable around midfield? Yes, i said 4th and manageable. Welcome to the new era of football, where 4th down is in play. Meyer is playing chess, and Saban usually does, but I thought there were some very questionable offensive calls.

by Bud Elliott on Dec 6, 2008 7:53 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah, two plays killed Bama

the horrible facemask call and the kickoff return out of bounds on the 4.

5 years in a row? Getting beat 45-15 in our house? Second straight time they have beaten us at home en route to the BCS championship? When is this crap going to end? Force Bobby to resign and let Jimbo clean house on the defensive staff. Anything less is doing permanent damage.

by mp212121 on Dec 6, 2008 9:31 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd also put the fake FG attempt in there too

Just a brutal call.

"Your eyes can decieve you. Don't trust them." Obi-Wan Kenobi, the first sabermetrician...

by Curtain Jerker on Dec 6, 2008 9:38 PM EST up reply actions  

side note

Oklahoma could do some damage on UF. UF hasn’t played an air attack all year. Trying to dink and dunk and settle for FG’s isn’t a good recipe to beat UF, which is all they’ve faced this year.

As dumb as it might sound, I think if we would have just predominantly thrown the ball downfield and took the FG-mentality out of the equation, we would have put ourselves in a better position to win versus UF. Hindsight is 20/20 I suppose.

5 years in a row? Getting beat 45-15 in our house? Second straight time they have beaten us at home en route to the BCS championship? When is this crap going to end? Force Bobby to resign and let Jimbo clean house on the defensive staff. Anything less is doing permanent damage.

by mp212121 on Dec 6, 2008 9:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Actually, I take that back

I forgot about the ridiculous layover between today and the BCS title game, which will give UF defense plenty of time to prepare, and will give OU offense plenty of time to get stale, rusty, and out of rythm.

5 years in a row? Getting beat 45-15 in our house? Second straight time they have beaten us at home en route to the BCS championship? When is this crap going to end? Force Bobby to resign and let Jimbo clean house on the defensive staff. Anything less is doing permanent damage.

by mp212121 on Dec 6, 2008 9:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Ah, also true.

Meyer and Saban are playing chess, and Stoops is basically the best checkers player left. He’s still good but he is in the old idea.

by Bud Elliott on Dec 6, 2008 9:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Yep

He’s got a big-game record that makes Jim Tressell look clutch.

"Your eyes can decieve you. Don't trust them." Obi-Wan Kenobi, the first sabermetrician...

by Curtain Jerker on Dec 6, 2008 9:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Face Mask

I saw that face mask call. The defenders hand brushed by the face mask for a split second and went to the shoulder. I couldn’t tell if he really grabbed it or we saw some decent acting but at the time I was thinking this could cost them the game.

Sure enough the mud bellies went on in to score. I am thinking now there must be somebody out there who can beat this team.

On some of these forums you look at people keep squawking but in reality bama scored five more points than FSU did and that was in the rain. If the receivers had held onto balls hitting them in the chest there could have been more points added to make the game look respectable anyway.

I know our receivers would not catch the wobblers Tebow throws as they can’t hang onto Ponder’s perfect spirals.

All in all though I think this team under Fisher will be fine. The sooner BB retires the happier I will be. I have no earthly idea why he is hanging around at this point other than to bank another 2.5 mil.

by DocHoliday2 on Dec 6, 2008 10:02 PM EST reply actions  

To be fair...

…if I were old I’d be afraid of dying as well.

"Your eyes can decieve you. Don't trust them." Obi-Wan Kenobi, the first sabermetrician...

by Curtain Jerker on Dec 6, 2008 10:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Bama's offense actually looked good

They probably had 3-5 fewer possession than we did. They moved the ball pretty well, and if they had a #2 WR worth anything they would have been even more successfull.

How many WRs caught passes for Bama? Just the one?

by tdchrisdavis on Dec 6, 2008 10:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, I think so. 1 TD run and 1 TD catch

I don’t think you can make the comparison between their offense and ours. Theirs looked much better, while ours looked terrible before garbage time (which I don’t count, sorry).

+1 for emphasizing production relative to # of possessions.

by Bud Elliott on Dec 7, 2008 1:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Jimbo's Statement

Jimbo made a statement regarding all of this.
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/sports_college_fsu/2008/12/fisher-im-very.html

Take it at face value, but it reassured me quite a bit. Maybe something was discussed behind the scenes.

by UNFNOLE on Dec 7, 2008 8:25 AM EST reply actions  

Also,

is it just me, or did anyone else want to see Florida vs USC in the nat champ?

by FSUSOM on Dec 7, 2008 10:06 AM EST reply actions  

Just you.

I would of rather have seen Texas in. I think the goal of the BCS should be to find the BEST team. Not the best two. Clearly Texas is better than OU. I would have liked to seen McCoy vs Tebow (the two best QB’s in college)

by UNFNOLE on Dec 7, 2008 2:11 PM EST up reply actions  

bcs title game

Not me. Texas and USC is what I want. Now we’ve got my mortal enemy (Florida) vs. my wife’s mortal enemy (Oklahoma). She’s an Oklahoma State grad, so I don’t think we’ll be watching. Can Tebow just leave so I can enjoy college football again? I’m sick of the man love ESPN has for him.

by Okinole on Dec 7, 2008 11:33 AM EST reply actions  

Did it seem to anyone else like he and his roommate are possibly sleeping together?

They showed them rubbing their heads together like Simba and Nala for like 10 seconds and were giving eachother the “Do me” eyes. I’m not kidding this literally happened.

by Weasie on Dec 7, 2008 12:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Lol

I thought that about tebow and cooper too

by fsunole23 on Dec 7, 2008 12:31 PM EST reply actions  

Would you want to coach at Auburn?

I agree with FSUGrad99. Why in the hell would anyone want to go to Auburn to coach? Look at what Bobby Lowder & Co. did to Terry Bowden after the success he had. Then there is interim coach Bill Oliver, who ended up in a lawsuit and won $210,000 because he was promised the HC job. The whole time, both Coach Bowden and Coach Oliver were on the job, Lowder was talking to other potential candidates. Tuberville knew this was how they acted when they were unhappy with a coach. So there should have been no surprise for him when they flew Petrino in and had him sitting in waiting on the tarmac. Speaking of the Petrino affair, do you know Lowder’s cloak and dagger behavior eventually cost the Auburn President and Athletic Director their jobs? What was Lowder’s response? Did he tone down his behavior and stop trying to be the defacto A.D? No, he donated $4.2 million to the university to make sure they knew he was still in control.

Tuberville managed to hang in there for much longer than I expected. But he knew his days were numbered. Now, he is gone and the Lowder machine (and it’s pet A.D. Jay Jacobs) has cranked up the volume claiming they are the victims and that they were "surprised" by his resignation! Oh f^@king please!!!!

If I were Mike Leach, Jimbo Fisher or any other promising head coach, I would look at the money and laugh. They would have to DOUBLE it to make me come there. Even then, the career and image damage done by the Lowder Mudslinging machine could permanently banish a coach to 1AA if things don’t go well (do you remember the scandalous accusations and rumors flying around about Bowden at the time of his resignation?). Bobby Lowder may think he has what’s best for Auburn football at heart but he is sorely mistaken. He is an arrogant f^@k who mistakes his massive ego for Auburn football. If a good coach comes in and doesn’t kiss his pinky ring, (i.e. Bowden), then he is out.

I ask you again, who in the hell in their right mind would walk into this mess? I’ll tell you who, Bobby Petrino. He is the perfect "snake-in-the-grass" asshole that would be a perfect fit for Lowder. Don’t get me wrong, I don’t hate the Auburn program. It’s Lowder and his type I can’t stand. Their problem is MUCH worse than ours and Fisher knows it. Bowden is going to retire. Maybe not this year and maybe not next, but he will go. Lowder is at Auburn for the long haul and nothing short of charges of racketeering brought by the Federal Bureau of Investigation will break his grip.

Fisher will not go to Auburn no matter what his connections are. I’d put my mortgage payment on it. He’s been there and seen the machine at work. If he leaves, there are too many other good programs to go to. I think Auburn will struggle to find a replacement. And if they do, I bet he will be out in three years.

by GonzoNole on Dec 7, 2008 12:56 PM EST reply actions  

This is a great summary of why nobody would want to coach there, but...

Clearly the move to Auburn is one of short-term gratification.

Fisher won in this battle, trust me.

by Bud Elliott on Dec 7, 2008 1:23 PM EST up reply actions  

I hope you're right about Fisher.

I think he’s a great guy and he gets my full support. I don’t know what to think about Coach Andrews and Coach Bowden. I heard the term “Bobby Burden” the other day. While I laughed, it was a painful one.

BTW, I’m really glad to have this site to vent on. One more day on the Warchant message board and I would have gone out the window!

by GonzoNole on Dec 7, 2008 6:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Glad to have you here, Gonzo

Just make sure to watch the cursing, as some of the members view the site at work and apparently filters pick up slurs and curse words.

by Bud Elliott on Dec 7, 2008 6:10 PM EST up reply actions  

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