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Hey Bobby, don't forget the sunscreen

If you are a Florida State fan who doesn't like people to speak honestly about the program, don't read this.  I also want to start this by saying that by almost all accounts, Bobby Bowden is a great human, a devoted Christian, and a devoted family man.  Nobody could ever take away all that he has done for Florida State.  Nothing he could do would subtract wins from his impressive record as an all-time coaching great.  This post is solely devoted to evaluating his current qualifications to the head coach of a major college football program.

Why the animosity today?  Because Bowden finally slipped up and said what many have believed about him for a long time.  John Henderson of the Denver Post captured some gem quotes from Robert C Bowden.  This is one of the most honest and candid articles I have ever read on Bowden.  Please read it before reading this post.  It took an out of town reporter to expose Bowden.  Expect more of this to come, however, as his time at FSU is short, and it is no longer taboo go speak honestly of Bobby.

"Mediocrity?" said Bowden, sitting in a hotel lobby last week. "Yeah, we're decent, but we're not in the top echelon. Does it bother me? I don't let it. It's one thing about being my age. Who cares? Hey, I can step out tomorrow and go to the beach"

Get out.  Seriously.  Leave our program.  You have some of the lowest admission standards in the country and your program is in the middle of the most fertile recruiting ground in the world,  yet you don't care that you've lit this well-oiled machine on fire and crashed it into a ditch?  Wonderful, old man.  FSU's fans don't demand National Championships every year.  They do, however, demand and deserve a coaching staff that is committed and qualified to the chase.  Bowden no longer fits that bill, and hasn't for over a half decade.  I wish he would step out and get down to that beach.  We know he won't yet, because he fears the "next big event after retirement.", a reference to the fate of his idol, Bear Bryant, who died soon after retirement. 

I don't want to hear the argument that he has earned the right to leave whenever he chooses.  He has lost that right.  If an architect builds a great structure you compliment him on it.  If he tries to tear it down, you tell him to get out.  If he makes horrible changes and fails to maintain that structure, he doesn't get to decide when he leaves. 

What Bowden has earned is over 30 Million dollars while the coach of FSU.  Nowadays, can anyone justify paying this man a penny to coach this team?  At this point, no other comparable program would have him in any meaningful coaching capacity.  It makes really sad to see a guy I grew up loving do this to himself, and the program I love.

The real question is this: why is Bowden still here?  He doesn't coach anymore.  He isn't intimately involved in gameplanning (people chuckle when he throws on a headset).  He consistently isn't able to refer to players by their names.  Bowden didn't even realize that Wake Forest was in his own division. He stalks the sidelines like an Alzheimer's patient and appears befuddled about what is going on out on that field.  Florida State looks like a joke, having three to four coaches trek out onto the field, then come back to Bobby to explain the penalty that was just called.  He forces Jimbo to pull double duty as an offensive coordinator and head coach.  What about recruiting?  Nope, nowadays, recruits mention Jimbo as their reason for committing to Tallahassee.  Bobby is a waste of space on this staff and a huge drag on the program.  If we didn't have to keep him on, Florida State could actually have a defensive backs coach (rules limit the total number of coaches a team may have).  Bowden is useless and he needs to leave.  He won't, and instead will continue to thieve from Florida State every two weeks as he picks up his check.  I have lost a tremendous amount of respect for a man I once revered.

A good way to figure out if you're any good or not is to ask yourself "if I left, could I get another job?"  When it comes to Bowden, the answer is clear.  Nobody wants a 78 year old coach.  If Bowden wants to use all his acquired knowledge to become a football historian, fine.  He certainly isn't using it to help this program win.  it is quite clear that the game has passed him by.  Does anyone really think he is pulling long hours at 78?  Young, driven, involved coaches pull legendary long hours, often arriving at a little after 4AM and staying well past midnight.  Many coaches sleep in their office.  Does anyone seriously think he has the fire and drive of a young coach, looking to make a name for himself?  Forget passion for a minute, does anyone think he has the physical ability to even come close to the work put in by the best in the game?  Obviously not, and he admitted as much above.  Passionate coaches do let massive underacheivent bother them.  Do you think Mark Richt, Urban Meyer, or even Jimbo Fisher would be unemployed for long if they left their current jobs?  Do you think they would let massive underachievemnt bother them?

So, again I ask, why is Bowden still around?  Selfishness and spite?

This fall, Bowden finally acknowledged the all-time wins record.  He is clinging to that and knows that his record will look a lot less tarnished if he finishes first.  The 2nd place finisher of this battle will certainly have a stain on their record; the stain of selfishly hanging onto former glory while failing to recognize their own incompetence in their later years.

Bowden doesn't seem concerned with setting up this program for the future.  He isn't sprinting the last few strides to hand the baton to Jimbo.  Insiders say that he was very opposed to naming a successor.  If he doesn't care that this team is mediocre, and isn't here to help Jimbo make the transition, what does he care about?  What is he doing here?  Oh yeah, the record.

So root.  Root hard for Penn State.  Hope that the rest of the Big 10 collapses.  Maybe, just maybe, if JoePa opens up a big enough lead in the all-time wins battle, Bobby will finally leave.

I also think that Bowden wants to stick it to those that ran off the man who called him Diddy. 

Short of intentional sabotage, Bowden couldn't have done a better job dismantling the best program in the nation.  It was quite amazing to watch actually.  Bending state anti-nepotism laws, he ushered in his incompetent son, who quickly helped the program tank.  

"There's a lot of unhappiness with the fall of the dynasty," said Charlie Barnes, the executive director of Seminole Boosters for 31 years. "And it happened at a specific time and at a specific place."

 

That dull gong sounded on Jan. 3, 2001, in the Orange Bowl. That's where Florida State flopped in defending its national title in a 13-2 loss to Oklahoma. It was the fewest points the Seminoles had scored in 12 seasons.

Bingo. 

Here's more from Henderson:

His father sidestepped the university's nepotism rule to promote him from receivers coach to replace Mark Richt in 2001. As an offensive coordinator, Jeff was a fine receivers coach. If he was any more in over his head, he would have coached in scuba gear. As Rix and Weatherford crashed and burned, so did FSU's record.

Florida State hasn't finished in the top 10 in the last seven years, has gone 7-6 each of the last two years and is 12-13 in its past 25 ACC games.

Something else for the defenders:  Florida State hasn't been ranked in November since 2005.

Jeff wasn't only terrible at playcalling, quarterback development, media relations, and leadership; he also destroyed Florida State's recruiting on the offensive side of the ball.

To be fair, it wasn't just Jeff. Florida State recruiting in recent years dipped to the level of head scratching. Bobby's assistants, insiders say, were at times scouting off recruiting lists rather than personal evaluations.  "They really dropped off," said Tom Lemming, a recruiting guru for ESPN.com.

Bobby still fails to acknowledge that his son was terrible.  I can't decide if he is really ashamed that his son was the worst coordinator in ACC history, or if he just is too senile to face the facts.  When you insist on a decision that is almost universally opposed and against the law, you had better be right.  Bowden couldn't have been more wrong.  Long time friends of the program says that the program turned into a nepotism filled joke during Jeffy's tenure.  One can only guess how much the crooked leadership dynamic and chain of command played with the psyche of the players and other coaches.  Steadfast, Bowden fought any criticism tooth and nail.  Accountability on behalf of the coaching staff was nonexistent.  Blaming a family member, especially the chosen one, was out of the question.Bobby repeatedly blamed players for failure, something that Bowden fan's hadn't seen before.  It must have been tough for the consummate professional Mickey Andrews to stand by and watch his long time boss cripple the program. 

Bowden said he knew what was wrong, and that he would fix it.  If he knew what was wrong, he certainly didn't show it.

Now, some argue that Bowden did get rid of three coaches (OL Coach Jimmy Heggins, RB Coach Billy Sexton, and QB Coach Darryl Dickey, none of whom are highly regarded or still coaching in the same capacity at a major program).  These were excellent dismissals.  I can't debate that.  He did fire them.  Bodwen is known for being fiercly loyal, even to a fault.  When he released the three coaches, however, some wondered if it was a move to divert negative attention from his son.  He had to have known that if his son continued to flounder, his move would only be a quick fix.  Once he fired those guys, the spotlight went directly on his son.  If the three coaches Bobby let go weren't the main problem, fans would quickly be able to tell what insiders already knew.  Jeffy was a bigger problem than any of the released coaches, and Bowden's protectionist coddling was exposed.

 It took the boosters to finally yank Jeff after crippling 30-0 home loss to Wake Forest.   I openly rooted for Wake to pour it on in that game, the only time I have ever done so, all the while wishing and hoping that maybe, just maybe, if we were embarrassed badly enough, on national television, someone would mercifully end this charade.  It felt so weird to root against the team on the field.  It was the only time I've ever hoped that FSU would lose.  I was rooting for FSU to get crushed, but in doing so, I was rooting for the players to finally have a chance to be led by a real coach.  I was rooting for the good of the program.  My wishes were finally granted as Jeffy was gone a week later.    He resents those who could see the truth about his son.  Remember the "can you get another job doing what you are currently doing" test?  Jeffy definitely failed that one as well.  Does Bowden's resentment of those who removed his son cloud his judgment?  I want to believe that he does realize how poor of a decision he made.

Henderson captured another great nugget:

"He was good," said Bobby, somewhat bitterly. "The most unfair thing was he worked for me. If you're going to hire your son, you'd better win all your games."

Bobby Bowden actually thought Jeffy was good.  He still thinks that Jeff was run off unfairly.  This man is blinded by his denial.  It wasn't that Jeff didn't win all his games, but rather, that he was garbage.  Oh wait, I'm sure that it was his relationship to his father, and not his unprofessional and incompetent handling of the offense that drew the ire of Florida State fans.  Bobby made the decision that crippled the program and soiled his legacy.  He has nobody to blame but himself.  How ironic is it that his hubris will likely cost him his last possible achievement.

Henderson has a great image  that captures the decline (Jeff took over as Offensive Coordinator in the Orange Bowl following the 200 season) :

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Bowden's time has come and gone.  It is long past time for him to step down.  When you can no longer hang with the big boys, you can't coach at a major program.  The signs have been there forever.  FSU unveiled "Bobby Bowden Field" a few years ago, constructed numerous statues of the man, and even erected a hideous stained glass window of Bowden.  All these idolitries show Bowden in his former role, as an actual coach.  Somehow, Bowden missed these hints that it was time for him to hit the road.  Florida State could fly a banner behind a plane on game day, but would Bobby see it?  Would he care?  After all, at his age, he can't let stuff like that bother him.  

So I ask again, how does the continued employment of Bobby Bowden mesh with the goal of returning to National Championship contention?

As Bobby often reminds us, he is still the coach.  We can only hope that is the last season he can say that.  Unfortunately, it seems that he can't live without the spotlight  If he leaves now, he can catch some rays while the weather is still nice.  Head for the sunset.

A big thank you to John Henderson of the Denver Post for his candor. 

Many fans have had enough of Bowden's shenanigans.  Here is a quote from a comment on the Andrew Carter's Orlando Sentinel page:

Bowden's overall tone in the Denver Post story is disturbingly apathetic. It's hard to tell if he really doesn't care, really is clueless, or is just too darn personally defensive. It's hard to continue to be supportive when he seems to take his own interests over the program's long-term success. He continues to point out that other once-good teams stink too, as if that is supposed to make fans feel better. He has even seemed to go from thinking FSU is "just a player or play away" to just accepting that FSU isn't very good anymore and might not be for awhile. It is time for him to move on. Unfortunately, the results this year may make that unmistakeably clear. Perhaps he knows that and is just riding this season out.

Unfortunately, many are not as enlightened as this fan, and they are beginning to rip into Jimbo Fisher.  Few who do so have any idea how bad off the program was when Jimbo took over following the '96 season.

Hey Seminole fan, what are you a bigger fan of?  Bobby Bowden or Florida State?

FSU won't cease to exist once Bowden is gone.  His departure won't hurt this team now.  I don't want to hear arguments that "he is the program."  If he left for another team (laughible, I know, but humor me for a minute ans assume someone would hire him now), would you stop rooting for FSU and become a fan of the newly Bowden-led program?

I stand with the Florida State program.  I stand against any actions or continued inaction(s) that are incongruous with the pursuit of excellence.

Let's get kick start this program in the right direction. Henderson and others do see some hope:

Righting the program, which Lemming said has showed improved recruiting under Fisher, is more important than chasing Penn State's Joe Paterno, whose 376 wins is one more than Bowden's career total.

Trust in Jimbo.  He might not be an offensive genius, but he is a really good recruiter who has the fire that our once proud coach had.  Very few truly comprehend just how bad off this program was when he arrived here.  Please be patient. Jimbo is an emperor who at least wears clothes, but we must let him take over now to see if they fit him well.

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I know that this will probably dominate the site and take away from the Colorado coverage,

and I’m sorry for that. I was so shocked that someone completely pulled the curtain back on our coach.

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by Bud Elliott on Sep 24, 2008 12:33 PM EDT reply actions  

Wow

I had been thinking this for a while but never dared to say it due to the fear of being lynched. You got balls man….big ones.

Don't take life to seriously, you'll never get out alive.

by bammer on Sep 24, 2008 12:48 PM EDT reply actions  

I think a lot of fans have thought bits and pieces of this.

It didn’t take balls to right this, it just took a forum.

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by Bud Elliott on Sep 24, 2008 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Look at it this way

He could announce his resignation today and that would give this team a mountain of motivation to send him out with style. Notice I didn’t say on top. He’ll never catch JoPa now. He now has no other goals to achieve. 500 games is automatic.

As far as the Denver Post quote goes, I’ll reserve judgment until I hear his defense of it (or lack thereof.) We all know how the media works these days.

by robrrt on Sep 24, 2008 12:53 PM EDT reply actions  

This season would be PERFECT

for Bobby’s fairwell tour.

Consider this, FSU fans: do you want to see Bobby’s final game end like this:

“A defense, without Everette Brown, Patrick Robinson, Myron Rolle, Budd Thacker, Paul Griffin, Kenny Ingram, Tony Carter, and possibly Dekota Watson was thrashed in the Swamp by Senior Tim Tebow in the Gator QB’s and Bowden’s final college football game”?

Personally, I can’t imagine a worse way for Bobby’s legacy to end. Yuck.

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by Bud Elliott on Sep 24, 2008 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Henderson is a cry baby

Typical liberal who is blind and thinks one person creates total chaos. I cant belive he didnt blame Bush or global warming for the reason the Noles havent been winning alot. This hypocrit said he was rooting against the Noles just to see another coach. What a joke.
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I was rooting for FSU to get crushed, but in doing so, I was rooting for the players to finally have a chance to be led by a real coach. I was rooting for the good of the program. My wishes were finally granted as Jeffy was gone a week later. He resents those who could see the truth about his son. Remember the “can you get another job doing what you are currently doing” test? Jeffy failed that one as well. What a pathetic display from a once proud man.
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Henderson your a pathetic display. Someone please get this guy a tampon. Oh Ill bet he has never called out one of his own family members in any of his articles. So typical. I live in Atlanta and we have a real lib and negative paper called the AJC. I wonder why they havent brought Henderson on board yet. At least he’ll have another job out there if his current one fails.

by TurfToe on Sep 24, 2008 12:57 PM EDT reply actions  

Henderson didn't say that.

I did. I was rooting for the program and against the sorry excuse of an offensive coordinator we had.

Henderson’s quotes are in the quote boxes.

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by Bud Elliott on Sep 24, 2008 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

What

How do you root for the enemy? Wow. I expected more out of you. lol. I know how you felt.
I respect Bowden for what he has done to this program and Im not going to throw him under the bus just because of the down years. I think there is more to blame then just Bobby. I didnt like Jeff from the start and still think he’s not cut out to be a 1A coach. Despite how bad Jeff was I dont disagree on Bobby saying Jeff is a good coach. He’s still his son. I would have said the same thing on national tV even if I knew that my son was the worst coach in the world. Maybe Bobby is well past his prime but I belive he’s still the face of the program and is respected by many. This is a very young talented team who needs to learn how to come together. This will be the job of the coaches so only time will tell. There should be no excuse for this team not to improve over the next few years. If they dont then yeah, mabye we just start to look at Bobby. But for now Im not blaming everything on him and only him. Please tell me that youll be rooting for the Noles this weekend.

GO NOLES!!!!!!!!!

by TurfToe on Sep 24, 2008 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I root for the 'Noles every Saturday

I probably care about this team too much.

I tried to make it clear in my post that it was the only time I’ve done that:

I openly rooted for Wake to pour it on in that game, the only time I have ever done so, all the while wishing and hoping that maybe, just maybe, if we were embarrassed badly enough, on national television, someone would mercifully end this charade. It felt so weird to root against the team on the field. It was the only time I’ve ever hoped that FSU would lose. I was rooting for FSU to get crushed, but in doing so, I was rooting for the players to finally have a chance to be led by a real coach. I was rooting for the good of the program.

Good is the enemy of great.

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by Bud Elliott on Sep 24, 2008 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Awsome!

Sorry for thinking Henderson wrote the post. No hard feelings. I do enjoy reading your posts even if I may not agree with all of them. Keep doing what your doing.

by TurfToe on Sep 24, 2008 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I also can't comment on his political leanings

because I don’t know him personally.

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by Bud Elliott on Sep 24, 2008 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I will always bleed Garnet & Gold. I don’t bleed Bobby Bowden.

The man deserves the respect he gets for his life’s achievements, and people will always put him on a shrine. But he needs to hang it up. Coaches come and go, just like our favorite players who we idolize come and go. Seminole Nation is what we have come to grow with, cheer for, yell at, and even cry over. The “FS” symbol as well as the seminole head are what symbolize our institution and what we believe in. Last I checked, BB’s head wasn’t our school logo. Seeing as he is either too stubborn or senile to realize his time is up, actions needs to be taken somehow. The sad thing about all of this, is the talented student athletes are the ones that have to pay the price for such poor leadership.

by thirdcoastnole on Sep 24, 2008 1:48 PM EDT reply actions  

I will always bleed Garnet & Gold. I don’t bleed Bobby Bowden.

That’s a good quote.

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by Bud Elliott on Sep 24, 2008 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bobby Bowden

My dad went to “the U” and I go to UF, so I have never hated a sports team/school more than FSU, but I feel really bad for you guys. I can’t imagine what its like loving a coach and then having him say this…

Anyway, what punishment did Bowden give to Docket for twisting Graham’s knee?? Also, did he actually say “hit them til the echo of the whistle” or was that just a rumor?

by Gator Boys on Sep 25, 2008 3:53 AM EDT reply actions  

Thanks for the first part

no sarcasm.

Here’s a question…let’s say Steve Spurrier was still at UF. It seems like he has slipped a bit at South Carolina. How would you, the Gator fan, feel about the situation?

"Your eyes can decieve you. Don't trust them." Obi-Wan Kenobi, the first sabermetrician...

by Curtain Jerker on Sep 25, 2008 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

Its a weird situation for me. I grew up rooting for Miami and Michigan, because thats where my parents went. We were from south Florida, so Miami was the home team and I went to the OB sometimes but never Michigan. When I came to UF in 2005 the atmosphere was so much better. Everything about UF is better than Miami, so I started rooting for UF. It would probably have been harder to switch if the team I had always rooted for had a real college atmosphere. Point is, I had never rooted for Florida (except when they played FSU) til 2005, so I can’t relate.

What about my other questions? I’ve been reading Gator blogs a lot and they dont seem to think Bowden is the saint that you guys do. There is NO DOUBT, Docket twisted Graham’s knee. How was he punished?

by Gator Boys on Sep 25, 2008 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

This seems to be a very old question

that’s not really all that relevant to this discussion. I really doubt that Bowden drew up some play on the sidelines, instructing Dockett to do it. I’m going to write this off as something that goes on in the bottom of the pile, though slightly more dirty than a minor eye gouge or nut punch.

Stuff happens in this rivalry. I’m happy that the hatred is still there.

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by Bud Elliott on Sep 25, 2008 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fanastic post Uncensored

It is time to take the keys away, as Bowden isn’t doing the job the university paid him to do.

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by Curtain Jerker on Sep 25, 2008 11:02 AM EDT reply actions  

Interesting points ... however

Having grown up watching Bowden’s FSU I have a hard time visualizing it any other way. For now I still say he can stay as long as he wants in the house he built.

Unless we have another season as bad as the last 2 then I imagine I’ll start whistling a different tune.

by RollinNole on Sep 25, 2008 10:11 PM EDT reply actions  

Rollin

I’m glad you signed up. It’s always good to have a lot of spirited discussion from guys with different viewpoints.

I’ll turn this into a poll at some point, but for now, can I ask how old you are? I think there is a large split here, along a generational gap.

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by Bud Elliott on Sep 26, 2008 1:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

31

When I was younger I pretty much just watched all the big games but since moving to Tally about 8 years ago I’ve been becoming a more rabid fan every year.

by RollinNole on Sep 29, 2008 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Interesting

Sorry I didn’t get back to you earlier.

by Bud Elliott on Oct 1, 2008 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

HE HAS TO GO...

I graduated from FSU in the glory days 1999 and it kills me year after year to see this crap!!!!!!! Even before I went to FSU I was always a fan! Bobby has to go…I can’t stand old, slow, and a who cares attitude on the sidelines. Even though Jimbo has his work cut out for him, I feel he can bring us to glory but BOBBY NEEDS TO LEAVE! Bobby is still restricting Jimbo from doing his job completely. Right now, we suck. No other way about it. Every play against Wake Forest I wanted to put my foot through my flat screen. There is no excuse for this crap.

I want our TEAM back!

by reguy on Sep 25, 2008 10:53 PM EDT reply actions  

reguy,

thanks for signing up as well. We hope all of our new sign ups become frequent participants here.

I don’t know if anyone is a Rays fan or not, but when the new administration finally took over the Rays, they had a plan. They foresaw bumps in the road, and decided which ones to absorb, and which ones needed immediate fixing. It is really important to find that right mix.

Does having Bobby on the staff hurt us right now? Yes, I think so. I still really like the guy, as a person. I heard him preach an Easter service one time. He did a really good job at that as well. I think there are two main things he does (or doesn’t do) that restrict us right now.

1. There is absolutely a strange leadership dynamic going on. I don’t have any good analogies for this, but if someone can think of an example, even a non-sport example, I would love to hear it.

2. The lack of physical endurance. Nick Saban drove past a friend of mine on the way to Law School one morning (my friend was leaving the law school, Saban was coming to work). The time? 4:30. AM.

Having a head coach who doesn’t call plays is fine. Having a head coach who isn’t able to put in one of the crazy schedules that other head coaches can? That IS a major disadvantage. It causes the other members of the staff to unreasonable overexert themselves, trying to cover all areas, yet mastering none.

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by Bud Elliott on Sep 26, 2008 1:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

OK, so nobody answered

No punishment for Docket? Bowden’s not that great…

by Gator Boys on Sep 26, 2008 3:21 AM EDT reply actions  

Do we have video of it?

Did the league suspend Dockett? Was it so egregious enough that the NCAA took a look? It seems they are our disciplinarian now anyways.

Oh, Gator, 150 days since a Seminole arrest. When was y’all’s last?

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by Bud Elliott on Sep 26, 2008 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

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