MBB Game 16: Duke 66 FSU 58
by TrueCubbie on Jan 10, 2009 1:47 PM EST
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Duke Blue Devils at Florida St. Seminoles, Jan 10, 2009 2:00 PM EST
So here is the game thread. Check out the preview below in the post below.
Well...we had them...we fell asleep for a while...and then we came charging back to lose by 8. A good showing against an excellent team. We held Duke to their lowest point total of the year and forced 17 documented turnovers. We only had 14. Teams are not going to look forward to playing us. I think this is pretty characteristic of how many of our games against Duke and the like will go. Gotta love the effort...just need to hit some more shots...31% won't cut it. Many of you commented on the officiating in the game. Duke had 39 free throws to our 14. Granted, this is a skewed number as we fouled a lot in the last 2 minutes.
Let's see if a sold out Tucker Center can help the Noles knock off one of the top teams in the country.
What are your thoughts on the game.
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Figures.
Here is a nice article from CBS Sportsline to carry us over: http://www.sportsline.com/collegebasketball/gamecenter/preview/NCAAB_20090110_DUKE@FLST
KENPOM Projects ACC record
Duke 14-2
UNC 12-4
Clemson 12-4
Wake 11-5
Miami 9-7
Maryland 7-9
BC 7-9
FSU 5-11
VT 5-11
NCST 5-11
UVA 5-11
GT 3-14
Should be interesting. Damn Maryland
Starting Lineups
For Duke:
PG Nolan Smith
SG Jon Scheyer
SF Gerald Henderson
PF Kyle Singler
C Brian Zoubek
Noles
PG Toney Douglas
SG Jordan Demercy
SF Chris Singleton
PF Ryan Reid
C Solomon Alabi
solomon!!!!
hellz yeah
(insert that picture)
Our goal is simple: Best in the land
Kill a fly with an ax --- Mickey Andrews
2-3 Zone by FSU on the OOB play
Turnover on Duke!
Alibi is having a big impact so far.
The late start gave our drunk fans the opportunity to actually be at the game on time…
The strategy should be...
Zone, as soon as McClure is in the game. Sag on him in the zone and play aggressively on everyone else. McClure is the weak link and he won’t shoot. We NEED to Zone whenever he is in the game….that is the correct play!
It was a really nice play by Henderson
I can live with it.
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by tdchrisdavis on Jan 10, 2009 2:30 PM EST up reply actions
way to just throw the ball at the backboard, Greg P.
Alabi is changing this game
Our goal is simple: Best in the land
Kill a fly with an ax --- Mickey Andrews
Reid is nearly useless on the offensive side.
Keep an eye on him. I hope he makes me look like an idiot for saying that now.
Nice job Singleton!
DeMercy has missed about 3 straight point blank shots
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We're playing hard especially on defense and the boards but
We won’t win if we don’t shoot the ball well, because Duke will make some shots.
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clank clank clank clank
Our goal is simple: Best in the land
Kill a fly with an ax --- Mickey Andrews
I forgot how much I hate Duke and ACC refs
I wonder how much Duke pays them.
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I think it was that game
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by tdchrisdavis on Jan 10, 2009 2:42 PM EST up reply actions
8 minutes, no field goals, and now back to back turnovers (6 total)
This looks like what we’ve seen in some of our bad stretches
Wow, where is the up and down call???
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Travel on Henderson wtf are they looking at
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$@%$@#$# are you kidding
Our goal is simple: Best in the land
Kill a fly with an ax --- Mickey Andrews
Then our layup wouldn't either though
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by tdchrisdavis on Jan 10, 2009 2:47 PM EST up reply actions
The shot clock worked fine on the possession they got the 3
It stopped on the one that led to our fast break points.
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by tdchrisdavis on Jan 10, 2009 2:49 PM EST up reply actions
amazing pass by demercy
He is such a liabilty as a shooter, but is excellent with help defense and rebounding
nah
duke gets those calls no matter who they play. Not hating on the noles, they just love dukies :)
This game is just so hard to watch
With our offensive play and these refs. At least it isn’t in Cameron.
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lol i know
as an independent game watcher haha , i agree
I don't know if there is an official rule, I will look it up, but it is considered appropriate to do so. My wife always cuts her nails before she plays hoops...
Not only will you scratch people, but if the nails are long enough it affects your shot…you scrape the ball as you release it.
Whoa
We scored 19 in the 1st half vs La Salle?
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Alabi has 8 rebounds
Nice effort by Singleton getting the tie-up.
Our ball.
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The guy oon the arrow is gonna get carple tunnel syndrome
Pretty good line there by Bilas.
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Best chant ever
“we’re getting screwed! we’re getting screwed!”
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We need to finish the half strong
Cut it to a one possession game.
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Good apss and good shot
I thought it was going down.
Come on Uche.
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Bilas says we're getting away with some holding. We force them into a bad shot.
We come down and launch a 3. Duke had 3.1 left.
Duke will get a 3 out of this bad call
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Was ESPN's video feed breaking up for you guys too?
It’s back to working again. Maybe it was just the one overhead camera.
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Guess this won't be another 96-95 thriller
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19-14 at half. WOW.
Nobody in serious foul trouble.
2 of 18 shots? We have to get slightly luckier in the 2h.
Our defense is sick. If we can play with this intensity every game, wow. Now, that doesn’t happen under Hamilton, but defense doesn’t usually take the night off.
Solomon
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by tdchrisdavis on Jan 10, 2009 3:07 PM EST up reply actions
I'd like to say that if we keep up the defense and just shoot a bit better we will be fine
But you know Duke is going to play much better in the 2nd half. They’ll score much better and will probably score in the mid 50s or maybe even reach 60.
We need to score much better in the 2nd half.
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Somewhat agree, but 5 of Duke's 19
were really wild. The crazy 3 and the poor goaltending call. Thats what, 26% of their points?
Yes, but considering how poorly they played
You know they’ll play much better in the 2nd half. I can only imagine what coach K is saying to them now. They’re gonna come out like the #2 team in the nation, and we need to be ready.
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by tdchrisdavis on Jan 10, 2009 3:16 PM EST up reply actions
Think we score 40 points?
I think we’ll end up with like 48.
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Our athleticism is noticeable. We can pressure every shot and are effective in both man to man and 2/3 zone
because of our length and energy. But the erratic play is leaking too much on offense. We need some polish there. Maybe we should just focus on our size advantage and go to some kind of “jump-ball” basketball analog for our O strategy
Not much of a hoops fan
But I watched the first half in its entirety.
And I must say, it has a very similar feel to watching an FSU football when Jeff Bowden was offensive coordinator. I mean, no matter how hard we play (and we’re playing damned hard) and no matter how good our defense is (and it’s suffocating ) and no matter how well we rebound (and we are crashing the glass, esp. on the offensiive end) ……. if you basically don’t have a set play, how can you beat great teams. I mean, I didn’t even see a guard hold up fingers to call a play or anything?
Am I missing something?
That's my impression of the game as well
I watch FSU basketball when I can, which is not often, so I see 2-3 games each year maybe, and it always seems to have this feel.
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by tdchrisdavis on Jan 10, 2009 3:19 PM EST up reply actions
It's known as the Motion offense
http://www.tomahawknation.com/2008/12/20/698526/basketball-offensive-schem
Basically we rotate… except sometimes we don’t move
Motion offense ...
….brought to you by the makers of the Rainbow Offense???
Essentially. We do have a chance to improve as the season goes on.
Ken Pomeroy is a really smart guy and he has Duke’s defense as the best in the Nation by a huge margin. Just keep that in mind.
What was the rainbow offense anyway
Is that just a nickname for JB’s style or was it actually a scheme he came up with?
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by tdchrisdavis on Jan 10, 2009 3:22 PM EST up reply actions
It's reactionary based off of the defenders positions and movements
The problem is, we don’t have good movement off the ball. It’s not to the basket, there are no decisive runs, everyone is flexing out too easily.
We’re long and tall, but not thick. Duke is pressuring and moving us off our spots too easily
14 offensive boards and 6 second chance points?
We should have more.
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What a sloppy game
so far. I like that we held duke to 19 points, but we only have 14. If we can just get our offense straightened out we have a good chance today!
Uhhhhhhhhhh I'm sorry what?
Offensive foul? Are you kidding me??
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We run a alot of set plays according to Patrick
Not so fast my friend.
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I feel like it often feels like this
Even when we have veterans
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by tdchrisdavis on Jan 10, 2009 3:21 PM EST up reply actions
Patrick seems to really like us Today, and he's been really offended at stuff we've done before. I like that he's speaking highly of us.
It would be very easy to simply dismiss this as ugly basketball.
You would think that after so many teams burned us with it in the OOC play...we'd figure it out.
I bet every single ACC team pressures us with the trap starting the second half. I see almost every ACC game going like this. We’ll shut teams down in the first half. They force into bad starts in the second half and then they sit back in a zone and watch us miss shot after shot.
Duke has double our points in the 2nd half
That is the fastest I’ve ever seen a 5 point game turn into that sceneario in a while.
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Defense didn't show up
We’re getting blown out.
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We have 7 points in the last 13 or so minutes
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I hope we don't have a fight or any major injuries.
This game is over. Just hope that we have a full crew to face NC State.
Loucks is terrible... and Hamilton can't teach people to box out.
What a joke. Duke is more than doubling us.
TC, did you look at our 1st half rebounding and think “fluke”?
What's the final score going to be?
65-35? Man, this is ugly.
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24 points in 7 minutes
We might not score 24 the entire game…
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At least it won't be a heartbreaking loss
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Duke is scoring every possession
And our offense is the same garbage.
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by tdchrisdavis on Jan 10, 2009 3:41 PM EST up reply actions
This team will play like this for most of the year. Hamilton will be fired, and
the next guy to come in will be a little bit more x & o’s, and a little bit less, um, “cool to the young black kids in atlanta and a good motivator but can’t scheme his way our of a paper bag” ish
We should keep Hamilton as an assistant to coach the defense and get a truly offensive minded coach.
Tell him he's fired or he can take that job
I doubt any good schools would offer him any job.
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by tdchrisdavis on Jan 10, 2009 3:46 PM EST up reply actions
A mid-major would pick him up. Unlikey a major would. Unless its like a USF or something in the Big East.
I don’t think he is a bad guy. Just not a complete coach. I love his recruiting.
I expect to see a lot more of the first half and less of the second.
Plus a lot more free throws and more of TD.
Just got back
Anyone heard any Reid or Charles chants?
oh yeah, how did it get this bad? Went out at halftime.
Our goal is simple: Best in the land
Kill a fly with an ax --- Mickey Andrews
Duke started playing, you know, like a good team
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by tdchrisdavis on Jan 10, 2009 3:44 PM EST up reply actions
Good call...I thought they were going to call us on it. Singler clearly pushed off.
Singler is prone to foul trouble and you can get under his skin.
Not with these refs
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by tdchrisdavis on Jan 10, 2009 3:51 PM EST up reply actions
Is Patrick that dumb? Midrange jump shot?
It’s dumb because you could take 2 steps back and get an extra point
Dulks AIRBALL 3? Wide Open?
Good defense but we need to make shots
Can’t air ball any 3s.
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10 point game with 6.30 left
We need to keep it up on D and just make a few shots.
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Mike Patrick just loves saying wrap-around
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We need some stops now
We can’t give up more than 1 or 2 baskets the rest of the way.
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Henderson charged
And then Smith steps on his own shoelace and gets a call.
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duke is supossed to be a juggernaut
and we always play them tough and even beat them lately
they cant even come close to us in football and we havent been good in years
smith is a terrible pg
not duke caliber the only players on duke roster that are good are henderson and singler and henderson is the only NBA player maybe thomas…
I am disappointed by Today's reffing
If we had a better crew… what do you think, down by 6 and not 10?
Amazing breakdowns here
http://footballoutsiders.com/game-previews/2009/2009-afc-divisional-preview
It’s long, but if you like advanced breakdowns… you’ll go nuts
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A Chargers fourth-and-one stop that was out of character with the rest of their performance along with a fumble recovery in the end zone made the score of this game much closer than it actually was. A final score of 23-10 would have been much more indicative of the two teams’ level of play. Furthermore, the Steelers will be returning their offensive player best equipped to take advantage of the Chargers’ defensive issues (along with their number two and three cornerbacks), while the Chargers will be without their best player.
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Looking through the matchups in this game, I think the Cardinals were lucky to come within four points back in Week 8 — and that was before the Cardinals collapsed in pretty much every way over the second half of the season. Upsets do happen — after all, I thought Atlanta was going to beat the Cardinals last week — but Carolina is the easiest favorite to pick this weekend.
I’m not sure what has happened to the Giants pass defense, and their weaknesses over the past six weeks are in the right places for Philadelphia. However, the Giants also have the advantages of home field, a week of rest, and a healthy Jacobs. Mike Tanier, with his usual dose of Eagles fan pessimism, picked New York in Walkthrough. Our premium picks equation, with the usual DVOA Eagles optimism, picked Philadelphia. I fall between the two and say this game is about as close to a pick ’em as we can get.
Does Bilas like Henderson?
I can’t really tell. He’s such a fair broadcaster he really doesn’t let his bias show.
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I think Patrick has always and will always be terrible
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by tdchrisdavis on Jan 10, 2009 4:17 PM EST up reply actions
8 point game, 1.01 left
Need a stop here, make a quick shot, then it’s fouling time.
Bleh.
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We'll be better next time out...each ACC game should be a step up for us...our guys were nervous, played with a ton of energy in the first cand came out flat i the second half
Kudos to them to getting back into it. We will likely beat Duke the next time we play them.
I wonder if the recruits are enjoying the game
Are we even sure if they’re here?
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Wow I thought that would be a foul
Work for a good shot, don’t just shoot up the first time you can.
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Then someone missed an easy dunk opportunity
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by tdchrisdavis on Jan 10, 2009 4:21 PM EST up reply actions
He's had a very bad game
At least as far as I’ve seen.
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by tdchrisdavis on Jan 10, 2009 4:23 PM EST up reply actions
Did Duke lapse there to let us back in, or was that more us?
I always have trouble figuring that out.
I agree
We shot the ball better but Duke got kind of sloppy and wasn’t playing tough D anymore.
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by tdchrisdavis on Jan 10, 2009 4:25 PM EST up reply actions
thats all we need
i wasnt expecting us to win this game sure i hoped qe could pull the upset but what bilas said is right on.
Ha, the best ball movement we got all game was when we needed a quick shot
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I think it was Lombardi who said he could beat your guys with his guys, and then beat his guys with your guys.
Coach K would have beat his guys with our guys today.
I'll confess I was a fairweather fan who came home when it was 25... rip away.
But they only had 1 player who impressed me up close.
How sad is it for Luke Loucks that freaking Duke’s guards are more athletic than him?
I think he's a 2 at the next level.
He was far too quick for Jordan and Chris. (Jordan was on him quite a bit in the first half)
Thanks to everyone who contributed.
Terrible shooting night for the Noles. A sloppy start to the second half. Amazing defense. And we got it to a close game…a good effort…very close to being qualified as a quality loss.
Decent showing
Defense was good for most of the game, rebounding was solid, huscle and effort was great.
Shooting and ballhandling is still a problem.
http://today.sportingnews.com/sportingnewstoday/20081229/?pg=2
Piece on advanced blitzes by the ravens...
Thanks for the link
I’m always trying to learn more about the game and I can never find good sources for that kind of stuff.
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by tdchrisdavis on Jan 10, 2009 4:30 PM EST up reply actions
Even though we lost, everyone did a great job today. 588 comments and I didn't have to delete a single one.
Intelligent commentary throughout. Enjoyed it.
Great job TC and everyone
Interesting game
Dulkys needs to play a lot more. He is a far better option that Louks. I think our problem today was once again, we rely heavily on TD for offense and I think he made some suspect decisions today.
It’s pretty evident that we can’t run an offense. It doesn’t help our cause that we slowly take the ball up the court. We can really open up some shots if we would push the ball and force defenses to retreat to the basket. We were really at our best when we would administer some high ball pressure and force steals and pushing the tempo.
I do agree that no one wants to play us. We really don’t have an offense, but we are menacing.
Still looks like Street Ball
Ham gets good recruits but he can’t coach. This team dribbled around all day and never really was organized on offense. It was pretty embarrassing to see college players suck that bad at moving the ball around. I still say he needs to go. I want to see a team that is well coached.
For an NBA example, look at what SVG has done with the Orlando Magic in 2 years. Brian Hill could never create such a fluid and crisp offense. FSU needs a coach who does the same thing before they are going to beat teams like Duke and UNC on a regular basis
I dont understand
why our offense cant improve. I mean it is painful to warch at times, our guys just look lost. We played better towards the end of the game, but im still disapointed in our performance today. I didnt necessarily expect us to win, but the way we played disappointed me. A little off topic, I wish Solomon would develop any kind of post game. We need more offensive threats on this team.
Find the Missing component
Physical ability
Player Intelligence
Scheme
Coach’s ability to teach scheme to players
Emphasis
Yea
The scheme isnt good at all, but that is the coach’s fault imo.
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