Wednesday Open Recruiting Thread... and Updates
by FSUncensored on Jan 14, 2009 11:29 AM EST
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You know the drill.
Honestly, the NCAA ruling is keeping all of the blogs in Limbo. Let's go with some links for now and I'll try to throw more stuff together as the day progresses.
- Chantrant, who still has the best original content (my opinion), has a story on a recruit we're in on for '09 but nobody is talking about.
- The Noles had a huge win in basketball last night, over NC State! Check TrueCubbie's excellent basketball game thread for more info.
- D'Vo will play baseball. This essentially means he will not play QB for FSU. This is a good move for all involved.
- We're in a recruiting dead period.
- Orson Charles won't decide until February. Awesome. The Tampa Tribune reported that one of them, tight end Orson Charles of Tampa Plant, is not expected to make a decision until after national signing day. His pastor will be among the group that he meets with before narrowing his list to three. He expects to visit either Georgia or Florida this week. He also had Tennessee and USC to visit. The Seminoles are one of the more Christian coaching staffs around (at least as how much they express it and share in the faith). This can only help.
- FSU might be working on something like Texas does where we figure out all the kids we want to offer for the coming year, and then offer them all at once. Texas gets 80% of their commitments in a 2-week period in June or July (someone correct me on that).
- Georgia CB Asher Allen is going to the draft. That hurts our chances with Greg Reid.
- Luke has an update on Henry Orelus at SoFlaFootball.com
- The Democrat's Corey Clack compares Chris Singleton to Domique Wilkins.
- A very in-depth take on Wake's win over UNC.
This will be member driven today, count on it. If you hear anything, just post it as rumor and we'll discuss.
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As the cards fall...
I like our chances with Reid. I think his academic issues play out well for FSU even though he may be a Gator at heart. When the dust settles, FSU just might be his best option.
With Branden Smith going to Georgia and hopefully Kirkpatrick going to Bama (hopeful for this scenario) that will leave FSU as the most logical choice on Reid’s part. Our CB positions are pretty open if you don’t take into account the Bobby & Mickey Senior Seniority System that has been in full swing for the past 20+ years. I see Andrews as much more accomodating to a freshman who can play, especially with a little nudge here and there from Jimbo. What does Andrews have to lose? In all likelihood 2009 is his last dance anyway.
I love our class so far but if I could have my pick of 4 more to add to the class it would be Greg Reid, Gary Brown, Orson Charles and Jawanza Starling (in no particular order). I think a secodary dream team next year would consist of Terrance Parks and Greg Reid on the corners with Willie Downs and Jawanza Starling at the safety spots.
Man, I love recruiting season!
'Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football.' John Heisman
by Nattylite on Jan 14, 2009 7:38 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I don't think there's any way at all we have room for 4 more people in this class.
2, maybe 3 at most.
I also doubt that the average rating of our final commitments will be 4 stars, but I appreciate the optimism.
by MattDNole on Jan 14, 2009 8:17 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh no doubt
I don’t think we will land all 4 of those, not in my wildest dreams. I’d be happy with 2 though.
I do think our best chances are with Charles and Reid.
Something tells me Reid wants to be close to home whereever he plays. Both Tallahassee and Gainesville are relatively more “In-State” than Athens being that they are 109 and 86 miles away from Valdosta while Athens is 241 miles to the north. This along with the fact that (although I think he’s a Gator at heart) Reid’s academic achilles heel makes him a much better fit at FSU than UF, gives the Noles a definite advantage.
It also helps FSU’s chances that Braden Smith committed to Georgia and Kirkpatrick will most likely commit to Bama.
'Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football.' John Heisman
by Nattylite on Jan 14, 2009 8:31 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We do have a good shot at Reid
I just dont think we get Reid, Charles and Starling. 2/3 at best.
We have a bunch of factor working for us on Reid: Demps, location, he likes Mickey as a DB coach, he likes the religion aspect, PT, and he would be the #1 CB recruit for us.
The most realistic end to the class right now is:
Charles
Byrd or Reid (maybe even both)
a Safety
somebody else (DT or player we havent heard of yet)
by ChileanNole on Jan 14, 2009 8:53 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Chantrant
actually has a nice piece on 5 reasons not to get your hopes up for Reid. Though his comment about Mickey was encouraging, and that fact that we brought Jimbo along can’t hurt.
by UNFNOLE on Jan 14, 2009 9:00 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Chantrant is a great blog, great info on JuCo Noles.
Our goal is simple: Best in the land
Kill a fly with an axe -- Mickey Andrews
by FSUSOM on Jan 14, 2009 6:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If we get that "somebody else" I'm pretty sure they'd have to greyshirt.
We’re currently at 17, 16 if you take out Stork and add him to next year.
Plus 3 greyshirts from last year and you’re at 19.
No way we have fewer than 3 scholarships taken away so we only have 22 to work with.
At most I think we can get 3 more. Hopefully Orson is one of them. Every Nole fan in the country should do a jig if Greg Reid is the second. I don’t know what will happen if there’s a 3rd commit, it could come from anywhere.
If we start taking more players than that, I would expect to hear terrible things about Downs’ grades in the coming months.
by MattDNole on Jan 14, 2009 9:02 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Question is
What is the 3rd position we’re most after? If we mark down Charles and Reid as the highest priorities and actually sign them, is it more advantagious to go after a star safety like Starling or try to sway a DT like Gary Brown?
For this class, considering the recruits we already have lined up, what is the greatest position of need for the 3rd and final scholarship?
'Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football.' John Heisman
by Nattylite on Jan 14, 2009 9:12 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I am aware
That this is a big IF…
'Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football.' John Heisman
by Nattylite on Jan 14, 2009 9:13 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think
we steal Brown. I would rather sure up Starling. I feel like we can get DLineman not named Budd Thacker to overachieve.
by UNFNOLE on Jan 14, 2009 9:14 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Forget about Brown
He was wearing gator gear to pee wee football
by ChileanNole on Jan 14, 2009 9:19 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe it's just me, but
I am really not optimistic at all for Starling.
by FSUncensored on Jan 14, 2009 9:51 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I guess Gary Brown doesn't want to make NFL millions.
Our goal is simple: Best in the land
Kill a fly with an axe -- Mickey Andrews
by FSUSOM on Jan 14, 2009 6:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I personally would try to get a DT.
I’d pray that Downs gets qualified and pencil him in at safety. I’d hope he and Harley could lock up the two spots.
I’d hope for another DT to try to encourage the staff to keep McAllister at DE.
by MattDNole on Jan 14, 2009 9:49 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
but who is the question..
Lowery is fat, Thornton is going to USFand Brown is going to Hogtown to praise Tebow.
The options are:
Luther Robinson – comitted to UM but may visit us
Montavious Williams – big DT from Cairo,Ga (20 minutes from tally), who I have been high on for a while
I dont know who else we could get.
by ChileanNole on Jan 14, 2009 9:53 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
DO NOT WANT DOG on Robinson. I don't want any of those DTs.
Our goal is simple: Best in the land
Kill a fly with an axe -- Mickey Andrews
by FSUSOM on Jan 14, 2009 6:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
1st of all you can pretty much forget the 25 limit
There are so many ways around the 25 limit per year. Not only that, the 3 greyshirts count towards last years class, so they won’t count towards this year’s 25 limit (ie me saying how many ways around it there are). Plus Jenkins was an EE so he counts toward last year as well. Plus, the scholly restrictions just count toward the total 85 limit. For example, if we lose 3/year then we can only have 82 on roster for that year. That being said, I think a few players are going to get trimmed. IMO, we take 5 more players. HOPEFULLY, those players are Reid, Charles, Starling, Byrd, and 1 more.
Everyone always freeks out we won’t have the numbers but we always do. If its a 3-man reduction then that means that those 3 walkons that should get schollies, won’t.
by s_barrow1 on Jan 14, 2009 11:03 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
There are so many ways around the 25 limit per year. Not only that, the 3 greyshirts count towards last years class, so they won’t count towards this year’s 25 limit (ie me saying how many ways around it there are).
The Greyshirts count to the ’09 class. Brian Stork counts to the ’10 class.
Plus Jenkins was an EE so he counts toward last year as well.
I believe this is correct.
Plus, the scholly restrictions just count toward the total 85 limit. For example, if we lose 3/year then we can only have 82 on roster for that year. hat being said, I think a few players are going to get trimmed.
That is not the way i understand it. Can you give me a source on this so we can settle it once and for all? If you are correct, we need to seriously trim some upperclassmen.
I’d love to get the 5 you mentioned, but I don’t think we even have a shot at Starling. He’s shown NO legit interest in FSU.
by FSUncensored on Jan 14, 2009 11:16 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Bellamy and Dunbar should immediately be pulled off the books if the restrictions are only on the 85 total.
It seems I remember hearing that as well, I just assumed the typical way of doing that was signing fewer players.
by MattDNole on Jan 14, 2009 11:24 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
So should
Goodman
D’Vo
Maurice Harriss (major slacker)
Cameron Wade
That’s 6
by FSUncensored on Jan 14, 2009 11:30 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Goodman can probably be another to get a medical hardship and there’s no skin off anybody’s back.
My hope is that DVo gets drafted.
We don’t have the kind of depth at LB that we used to, I don’t know that we can cut Harris.
by MattDNole on Jan 14, 2009 12:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
On Starling and the Scholly Restrictions
Starling did visit FSU recently and he and his mother spoke with the coaches. From what I hear they made up some ground. I would put UGA still as the team to beat but I don’t think their edge is insurmountable.
And as I understand the restrictions and how they would work is this:
-If they were to limit how many we can bring in each year it will be nearly impossible to police it since, as I mentioned, there are so many ways around the 25 limit yer year.
-Also, lets say you are UM this year and they took in a massive 30+ class last year. If you’re only losing 15 scholarship players, how are you punishing the school by saying “You can only take in 22 this year” when you only have 15 spots available anyway. Thats not a punishment.
The punishment comes from the top, the 85 limit, which trickles down to the fact that you will take 3 less in that year than you would have normally. So if its 3 per year for 3 years, an example, the max scholarship football players you can have is 82 each year. I don’t have a source but thats how I’ve understood it all along.
by s_barrow1 on Jan 14, 2009 12:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree would could fudge the numbers.
The greyshirts and Jenkins could magically get moved around. It could happen. But I think that would only happen if by some miracle we were on the verge of getting Debose, Charles, Reid, Byrd, Brown, and Starling (or some other ridiculous haul) and we needed the room.
I don’t see us getting that kind of haul, so I only think we’re going to take a couple more players. Anyone beyond that might not be worth the scholarship.
by MattDNole on Jan 14, 2009 11:21 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
others we could go after
for DT
Brandon Moore DT 6’5" 313 Carver H.S. (AL)
Deylan Buntyn DT 6’4" 280 Havelock H.S. (NC)
for S
Tevin McCaskill S 6’2" 182 Miami Northwestern H.S. (FL)
Jawanza Starling S 6’2" 190 Lincoln H.S. (FL)
Alvin Hines II S 6’0" 188 Pelham H.S. (AL)
Jonathan Scott S 6’3" 190 Seabreeze Senior H.S. (FL)
by Desman on Jan 14, 2009 10:24 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Stork Is gonna greyshirt, Orelius, Prior too
That’s how we squeeze 4/5 more in
by CaStauch on Jan 14, 2009 12:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
what is a greyshirt I know what redshirt is but not grey
by Desman on Jan 14, 2009 12:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Late enrollee. The player would not enroll until Jan thereby missing that first semester but getting a start on the next.
by evenflow58 on Jan 14, 2009 12:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
so that first semester could they go to a jr college and start on school work to
I know there are some guys that are not the smartest in the world wouldnt that help them stay in longer and even make all the way through.
by Desman on Jan 14, 2009 1:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That's an interesting idea
I know our kids typically are the type we need to put on weight. Sometimes these kids have late birthdays.
by FSUncensored on Jan 14, 2009 1:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
this gray shirt thing would be realy good for someone
??? could you redshirt someone the next year. that would give them 1 1/2 year to get in good shape and learn the plays and such. I still dont understand it though
by Desman on Jan 14, 2009 2:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes. That is correct.
They just cant practice with us
by FSUncensored on Jan 14, 2009 2:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
on know that a bad thing
but wait then they get out of HS at 18 come in the next spring and start when they are 19 red st the nexy year and play from 20 -24/25. they could get not just a BS but a masters D. and make it to the pros. WTF. Why cant we sell this to recruits.
by Desman on Jan 14, 2009 2:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Most kids want to play right away. If they are allowed to come in with the possibility of a RS season at least they get to make some head way towards playing if not winning the job out right. FSU has recently used grey shirts more (i.e. Shawn Powell).
by evenflow58 on Jan 14, 2009 5:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t know the implications of transferring after 1 (or 2 if they go to summer school) semesters. I don’t know if entering college would start their eligibility clock but I believe it would. I’m sure others know more about that than I.
by evenflow58 on Jan 14, 2009 5:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
what a great way to start the day.
My PA brought me Micky – D’s for breakfast. Now I get to eat and blog all day and get paid for it. I just want to than you all for paying your Taxes. Anyhow, I looked at ESPN yesterday and we now have 4 players in the ESPN top 150 Jacobbi McDaniel, Demonte McAllister, Gerald Demps, and Willie Downs. Also now Dustin Hopkins, Rodney Smith, and Brandon Jenkins are all graded with an 80. last week we only had 3 above 80 and they were all in the top 150.
by Desman on Jan 14, 2009 7:43 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Just so everyone knows Micky-D's Coffie SUCkS more than SOME of FSU's coaches.
by Desman on Jan 14, 2009 8:32 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
MMM
Did you go McMuffin or Biscuit.
by FSUncensored on Jan 14, 2009 9:52 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The Rivals 100 has...
Jacobbi, Rodney Smith, Orson Charles, Greg Reid, Willie Downs, Demonte McCallister in it with Jacobbi and Reid having 5 stars. CJ Mizell is Rivals 100 ability though and is being punished for his transgressions. That kid is a missile on defense. So IMO we end up with at least 1 of Charles or Reid plus a R100 caliber in Mizell, so IMO we have 6 R100 caliber players coming in. Thompson is on the cusp too and Gerald Demps is highly rated by ESPN, but I think they are probably between the 100-150 range.
by s_barrow1 on Jan 14, 2009 11:06 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well
It’s about time ESPN caught up… our class is very solid so far.
'Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football.' John Heisman
by Nattylite on Jan 14, 2009 7:47 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Orson Charles
just because FSU has Christian coaching staffs dont mean anything. UF has Tebow. All he has to do is ask Charles to go on a mission with him this summer and that will look better than FSUs coaches.
by Desman on Jan 14, 2009 7:49 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
To say it doesn't mean 'anything'
probably isn’t accurate. It’s a good selling point. However, I think the emphasis will be on whether there is going to be Christian support around him. I don’t know how many of our players are committed Christians, but it will also depend on Christian ministries reaching out to him and showing him that there are folks who share in his walk with Christ.
by UNFNOLE on Jan 14, 2009 8:57 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Also,
is Charles an elite TE? Brandon Warrenish? or like we are stealing a Miami prospect TE good?
by UNFNOLE on Jan 14, 2009 8:57 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
H-Back
I think we would use Charles as an H-Back option. We could line him up at TE, Fullback or beside the QB. He would give us a wide range of possibilites and give the defense match-up problems all day long.
'Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football.' John Heisman
by Nattylite on Jan 14, 2009 9:09 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd consider him a Cornelius Ingram-type.
by MattDNole on Jan 14, 2009 9:10 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ideally: Dallas Clark of the Colts.
by FSUncensored on Jan 14, 2009 9:53 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, but
almost certainly with less intelligence. Clark is ons of the smartest players in all of football and the stuff he does with in-route reads is special. NO college player is doing that.
by FSUncensored on Jan 14, 2009 9:54 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
of course not
you cant compare NFL intelligence to a high-school kid. I meant to say that Charles has more athletic ability.
by ChileanNole on Jan 14, 2009 9:56 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not big into stars
But if you wanted to get technical, there is no reason why Willie Downs, Demonte McAllister and Rodney Smith should not be 5 stars on the major recruiting sites.
'Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football.' John Heisman
by Nattylite on Jan 14, 2009 7:49 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Rodney Smith a 5 star?
Our goal is simple: Best in the land
Kill a fly with an axe -- Mickey Andrews
by FSUSOM on Jan 14, 2009 10:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm wondering about this as well.
by FSUncensored on Jan 15, 2009 11:24 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Just a humble opinion...
I like the size/speed combination. His tape isn’t bad either.
I think he’s pretty under-rated by the major recruiting sites.
'Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football.' John Heisman
by Nattylite on Jan 15, 2009 12:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
the only time stars matters to me is in NCAA 09(game) other than that I could care less
Most of the best players come into a school and are 3-4 star guys. Its all about the coaches training them up. Sence your coaches(mostly Def) cant do this we need as much raw talent as we can get.
by Desman on Jan 14, 2009 7:52 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
This space reserved for a discussion on taking a sleeper safety prospect.
StateofMind is sure to have some wonderful thoughts, as I do, about how great it is that we’re taking a chance with an unknown safety.
Wait… what? It’s not Phillip Thomas?
I hate our coaches.
by MattDNole on Jan 14, 2009 8:20 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Yes, but like Thomas
I think Wilson has been told to be on stand-by to see what happens with Starling.
Unlike Thomas, at least the coaches are contacting him behind the scenes, it seems.
'Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football.' John Heisman
by Nattylite on Jan 14, 2009 8:26 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe I should just say I hate SOME of our coaches.
by MattDNole on Jan 14, 2009 8:28 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
WTF?
This Wilson kid better have some great film? Where does he play, rural Georgia? Thomas plays in Dade.
Ridiculous. Why not offer Phillip Thomas and offer this kid?
Our goal is simple: Best in the land
Kill a fly with an axe -- Mickey Andrews
by FSUSOM on Jan 14, 2009 6:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry about the question marks.
We better be recruiting Wilson as a LB.
Our goal is simple: Best in the land
Kill a fly with an axe -- Mickey Andrews
by FSUSOM on Jan 14, 2009 6:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
so the coaches are not alowed on the roads today-Thursday
I dont know all the rules for recruiting.
by Desman on Jan 14, 2009 8:30 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
NCAA has imposed absurdity
into the recruiting regulations. No wonder that more people don’t violate them.
by UNFNOLE on Jan 14, 2009 9:27 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Coaching convention started Monday I believe...
…Can’t be on the road recruiting when there is your next job to be lined up.
by Luke S. on Jan 14, 2009 10:06 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
but some like BB or MA are not going to get other jobs so couldnt they go on the road.
by Desman on Jan 14, 2009 12:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Bowden on the road...
There is a scary thought.
'Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football.' John Heisman
by Nattylite on Jan 14, 2009 12:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
For that Cedric Wilson kid
a pick for Florida State would obviously be a more prestigious pick that So. Miss or Troy. Hes obviously an athlete if he played that many positions in HS (given it was against smaller schools), and he would be a good option to mold at Rover.
by UNFNOLE on Jan 14, 2009 9:02 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Obviously...
But does he want playing time? I’m sure we can’t offer him that.
by DA-2 on Jan 14, 2009 9:40 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
True
What we can offer him though is the potential of playing on a bigger stage. If he works hard it’s not like we are super deep at safety or OLB.
by UNFNOLE on Jan 14, 2009 10:02 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
you know if we stick with the 4-3 Def I would love to see
1 good Lb in the mid, 1 good OLB on the Weak side or the side of the faster DE, and one over sized S playing OLB on the side of the slower DE. This would be nice because when 3 WR come in he could line up on them in Man cover.
by Desman on Jan 14, 2009 12:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
About the 2010 early scholarship offering approach
I like it. It gets the class going specially if we can get one big commit early.
I know a lot of people will argue that rankings and ranking services dont matter, and in there is some credibility to that. Not all 5 players will be playmakers (FSU is a perfect example of that) and often times the rankings are biased either for business (uncomitted recruits higher) or for other reasons. Many players have been dismissed in rankings and proven evaluators wrong (Jermaine Thomas ring a bell). But the truth of the matter is that the rankings DO matter. Recruits check the different scotuing web pages, they may be even influenced by them. If you are a 5* WR and you see a team that is recruiting you just signed the #1 QB or the best tackle to protect you it will affect your decision.
This is why getting and early jump on the class is so important and why the hire of Bob Lacivita has helped us tremendously on that front. I see FSU getting to a fast start again in 2010 with early commitment. We may have 10-15 before the new season starts.
by ChileanNole on Jan 14, 2009 9:50 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Hopefully we get Johnson to commit early and lead the way from Pahokee to Tallahassee.
by MattDNole on Jan 14, 2009 9:55 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Johnson will open the flood gates IMO
Then we go after Pickett, Clements, Green, Willis maybe Dunkley
by ChileanNole on Jan 14, 2009 9:58 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You guys love Pickett...
But I’d wait until I see some more production from him, plus him and De’Joshua are the same type of reciever. Small, quick slot guy. BTW rumors running all over the Muck, he’s talking about transfering to Pahokee. We will see if that ever comes true.
by Luke S. on Jan 14, 2009 10:08 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
To me those guys you can never have too many of them
De’Joshua can make more of a quicker impact and Pickett could RS and play behind him or opposite side to him in multiple WR formations. By then Bert Reed will probably be a Sr .
by ChileanNole on Jan 14, 2009 10:15 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The only thing that worris me about that
is having kids take other visits. High school students have short memories. I feel like anytime one of the students in my youth group sees a new movie, it’s their new favorite. Mack Brown does a nice job of not only getting a verbal, but actually LOCKING them up. It worries me because there is too many de-committs out there.
by UNFNOLE on Jan 14, 2009 10:04 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well you can still visit around
As long as you also visit FSU and hopefully that is your last visit. I dont like the idea of preventing kids from visiting elsewhere.
by ChileanNole on Jan 14, 2009 10:06 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Texas requires that they take NO other visits.
by FSUncensored on Jan 14, 2009 10:10 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hmmmm
I think I agree with Chilean that I don’t like that. Don’t know why, just sounds too strict.
by UNFNOLE on Jan 14, 2009 10:14 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
and do you deter Recruits
with that rule?
by UNFNOLE on Jan 14, 2009 10:14 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
take away their schollie
I just don like that. Meyer uses that too.
by ChileanNole on Jan 14, 2009 10:15 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
To me that
gives off an attitude of insecurity. Anyway, I don’t think Florida States program is in a position where we can tell folks not to go anywhere else.
by UNFNOLE on Jan 14, 2009 10:17 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Negative Reinforcement
Is a short-sighted tool that often creates more problems than it fixes. Take pet training for example: if you beat a dog everytime they pee on the floor you are only going to create a potential fear biter for the future. If you give the dog love and treats for peeing outside when you walk them, you create a healthier relationship with a reward system based on trust.
FSU should have a program that sells itself without having to resort to these kinds of recruiting tactics. We should encourage young recruits to make sure they have taken all offers into consideration first before coming here. We don’t want transfers, we should want players who are 100% Seminole who will give their all on the field and in the classroom.
Positively reinforce a recruit by offering them a scholarship and keeping in touch to make them feel appreciated. That’s the way I would do it.
'Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football.' John Heisman
by Nattylite on Jan 14, 2009 10:22 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think this is the way you must do things in Florida
Texas can rule with an iron fist because there are no other major programs on the state anywhere near their level.
by FSUncensored on Jan 14, 2009 11:18 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I would love to see this but the truth is if UF, FSU want you
Everyone else does too. There is a reason. If you let a kid go to another school before going to FSU then what will you do if they dont bother coming to campus and just stick with the school they just went to. I dont think there is a good way to get recruits. Its like politics there are people trying to do the right thing but they never win. yes they might get good people every now and then but not on a year to year bases.
by Desman on Jan 14, 2009 2:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
As a teacher I agree wholeheartedly
It is far far far better to reward success than to punish failure.
"Your eyes can decieve you. Don't trust them." Obi-Wan Kenobi, the first sabermetrician...
by Curtain Jerker on Jan 14, 2009 10:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Who is taking off from work for Signing Day
I accomplish nothing that day so I will be home on the computer all day.
by ChileanNole on Jan 14, 2009 9:59 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I might miss it actually.
We’re going to have MattDNole run the show.
by FSUncensored on Jan 14, 2009 10:10 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If you need text message updates
let one of us know.
by UNFNOLE on Jan 14, 2009 10:13 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No way I'm going to classes on NSD
http://today.sportingnews.com/sportingnewstoday/20081229/?pg=2
by tdchrisdavis on Jan 14, 2009 11:48 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I won't be home until late that day, $$@#
Our goal is simple: Best in the land
Kill a fly with an axe -- Mickey Andrews
by FSUSOM on Jan 14, 2009 6:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Antwan Lowery
I see we are still after him… but why? He’s big but he doesn’t do anything, if we don’t have many scholarships to give than we can’t waste one on him.
I keep seeing updates for Trent Richardson, is he actually giving us a look or is it just a kid who wants to take advantage of some weekend trips going to basketball games and hanging out?
http://today.sportingnews.com/sportingnewstoday/20081229/?pg=2
by tdchrisdavis on Jan 14, 2009 11:54 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I see no reason why Trent Richardson would come here...
mainly because I don’t think we should want him.
Don’t get me wrong, he seems to be a great back, but he does not fit what we are trying to do on offense with our blocking schemes and running style. In my opinion, he needs to have the ball 20-25 times a game to be most effective, and he won’t get that here.
by MattDNole on Jan 14, 2009 11:59 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I haven't seen any T. Richardson updates here.
Makes me think certain other sites are just out subscription fishing.
If Trent Richardson isn’t an Alabama lock all the way, Saban will just get the governor to call him on Feb. 3rd…
'Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football.' John Heisman
by Nattylite on Jan 14, 2009 11:59 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think the official position of TNation...
is that you can forget about Richardson, Kirckpatrick, and Kelly as far as Alabama’s recruits are concerned. I would consider most people telling you otherwise would be selling you some magic beans.
by MattDNole on Jan 14, 2009 12:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What vehicle will Trent be driving at this time next year?
Escalade? Excursion? BMW? Lexus?
I can see the Outside the Lines report right now. Alabama Football: What SUV will it be?
Our goal is simple: Best in the land
Kill a fly with an axe -- Mickey Andrews
by FSUSOM on Jan 14, 2009 6:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Correct
Julio drives an escalade
by FSUncensored on Jan 14, 2009 6:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No we are not after
Antwan lowery. Coaches moved in a different direction.
by Seminole64 on Jan 14, 2009 12:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Thank heavens
I would not be happy if we took this tub.
by FSUncensored on Jan 14, 2009 1:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
After the Under Armour game and training reports
I concur. He could not even finish some of the reps.
by ChileanNole on Jan 14, 2009 2:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Antwan Lowery, hahahahahah
Can you say, “Biggest Loser”
Our goal is simple: Best in the land
Kill a fly with an axe -- Mickey Andrews
by FSUSOM on Jan 14, 2009 6:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
just read what HD said about the noles and why they are not going after people
She said they are waiting for the possible scholarship reductions resulting from the academic cheating scandal from the NCAA. She also said that FSU is good on offence FSU should be ok but on Def the D-line and D-back will be the main targets. This sounds about right. could make sence why they havent gone out and gotten anyone yet
by Desman on Jan 14, 2009 12:22 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
She's good at reading all the blogs and paysites and rewording them into a slightly original idea
She prolly owned at writing papers in highschool/early college
by CaStauch on Jan 14, 2009 12:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Luke also has a write up on 2010 stud QB Jeffrey Godfrey over at soflafootball
I like Godfrey as a player. He’d be great if he were 3 inches taller. Not sure if we are going to get him though. I do hope we bring in at least 1 QB next year.
by MattDNole on Jan 14, 2009 1:01 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I am worried about QB next year
With D’Vo deciding to play baseball we only have 2 scholarship QBs. We should have signed one this year ( I wanted Eugene Smith) but next year Jimbo better go all out for a stud (like when he went for EJ) Case McCoy, Sims and Green are the early candidates but we may need to sign 2.
by ChileanNole on Jan 14, 2009 1:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd like to sign 2, but I hope this staff doesn't waste them like previous staffs have done.
I always had problems with Lee/Weatherford and Ponder/Richardson taking the same redshirt year.
by MattDNole on Jan 14, 2009 1:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Lil' Colt!!
I totally want him. Mainly because I just want to randomly yell Lil’ Colt!!
Kind of like my desperate hope that we sign Jose Jose.
by MattDNole on Jan 14, 2009 1:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We want him, Texas doesn't seem overly interested.
Can we call him Colt 30? 25?
by FSUncensored on Jan 14, 2009 1:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Lil Colt is my rapper name
Jose Jose is the coolest recruit name since Yourhighness Morgan
by ChileanNole on Jan 14, 2009 2:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Dude... I just found a running back for next year....
Frantanzy Bryant
by MattDNole on Jan 14, 2009 2:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Lil Colt, Frantansy and Jose Jose
Wow.
Frantansy will be a #1 pick on the fantasy leagues someday (well at least his parents were thinking that or smoking when they named him)
by ChileanNole on Jan 14, 2009 2:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Jose Jose would be a lot cooler if he wasn't 6'1 340.
Another “Biggest Loser” contestant.
Our goal is simple: Best in the land
Kill a fly with an axe -- Mickey Andrews
by FSUSOM on Jan 14, 2009 6:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Texas doesnt need him with Gilbert there
But I think they are going to get him anyways. They could put 2 years separation between them if they want to.
by ChileanNole on Jan 14, 2009 2:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
How often does a team need to go to their 3rd string QB? It really isn’t all that often. It would suck if we needed to but I wouldn’t loose any sleep over it.
by evenflow58 on Jan 14, 2009 5:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
that makes 2
of us.
2 qbs is not enough. 1 guy goes down and then we don’t have a backup. Especially with ponder running so much, he’ll most likely get nicked. We should have went after boyd damnit
by Cee on Jan 14, 2009 5:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Whats the scouting report
on Case Mccoy? What kind of prospect is he?
by fsunole23 on Jan 14, 2009 1:56 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Not sure on his over all skills and ability , but i read his MOTHER does not want him going to UT. She doesn't want him compared to Colt all the time so expect to see him go elsewhere.
Go Noles!!!
by nolefan07 on Jan 14, 2009 2:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe we do have a shot.
Is this kid an early birthday?
by FSUncensored on Jan 14, 2009 2:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
but hes not the type of QB jimbo would want.
by Desman on Jan 14, 2009 2:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Can we pretty much forget about Goddfrey??
by ChileanNole on Jan 14, 2009 2:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
His interview with Luke doesn't sound like he's prepared to sit behind EJ for 2 years.
And it doesn’t sound like he’d enjoy us taking another QB next year either. I don’t know.
I’ve always thought of Godfrey as a great 1B type QB to some other recruit we brought in next year. Kind of fitting the DVo role.
by MattDNole on Jan 14, 2009 2:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Juco DE And DT
Any chance we land Jason Pierre Paul or Eugene Kinlaw. It would be nice to sign another marcus white like we did last year and both these guys look like they are ready to play!! any info?
by pcnole on Jan 14, 2009 2:09 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I have heard Jason Pierre Paul's name before
But not the other one you mention. Can you give us more info on them??
by ChileanNole on Jan 14, 2009 2:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Jason Pierre-Paul
6’6" 265 4.7
Ranked as the #6 JuCo prospect in the country. Originally from Deerfield Beach, Florida, Pierre-Paul has narrowed his choices to USF, Nebraska, FSU, KSU, and Arizona. He’s already officially visited USF and Nebraska, and most believe that if FSU does not officially extend a written offer and invite him to campus for an official visit, the decision would be made between those two schools. While USF may hold a lead due to Pierre-Paul being a Florida boy, were FSU to offer that advantage would surely be trumped.
From all indications, he wants to come home and go to FSU for his remaining eligibility. We extended a verbal offer, showed interest early in the process, but have since cooled considerably. I doubt we invite him on campus unless: Orelius, Prior, and maybe one more agree to redshirt; and the scholarship reductions are less severe than anticipated.
However, even if those initial requirements are met, I don’t trust Jody Allen to make the move on this kid. I don’t think he understands the differences between a strongside and weakside defensive end, nor the need for both in an effective 4-3 scheme. We’ve never recruited a true SDE with him at the helm, no reason to expect otherwise.
This kid is just what the doctor ordered. We lead for 2 potential 5 star/high 4 star SDEs in the 2010 class in Corey Miller and Brandon WIllis. We already have a good one committed for 2010 in Darius Cummings. Sign this kid as the quality stop gap between now and when those three are ready to contribute. We have a glaring lack of SDEs on our roster as is, left with decided between Kevin McNeil (undersized) Everette Dawkins (him too) and Justin Mincey (doesn’t fit the bill psychologically and style-wise).
PFFFF…Our illogical and irrational defensive recruiting :(
by CaStauch on Jan 14, 2009 2:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And that's why you don't hire an RB guy to coach your DEs.
I don’t know that we can trust what Amato told the rest of the coaching staff regarding the recruitment of Vernon and Stinson and how it was progressing. So perhaps that’s why they cooled.
Once we’ve realized JPP is all we have left, maybe common sense will prevail.
by MattDNole on Jan 14, 2009 2:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Paul is one of the top Juco DE in the country. 4* I believe he is considering us along with arizona, usf, nebraska, and kansas state. from what i’ve read and seen, he looks just like another markus white just bigger. he even has an fsu hat on is an warchant picture of him. he has an offer from us, but hasnt had an official visit yet and i dont see one listed for him. I hope we hear more about him in the weeks to come.
Kinlaw is on of the top juco DT in the country . 4*. Close to 300 lbs. he is commited to Troy so I wouldnt see any reason why we couldnt steal him away. but he is only looking at troy, FSU and FU. he doesnt have an offer from us of FU. So it looks like he might not have the grades to get in but who knows.
I was looking the other day and I almost forgot about this guy…. Remember Brian Coulter. 5* Juco DL commit from a few years ago?? I wonder what happen to him.?
by pcnole on Jan 14, 2009 2:29 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Coulter went to a Big 12 school.
I think I read recently that JPP is looking to set up a visit with us, maybe even late in the process. So that’s good.
I don’t know that Kinlaw should be our goal if we take another DT.
by MattDNole on Jan 14, 2009 2:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sounds good
I think he would be our best option left at DE. and he could contribute right away..
by pcnole on Jan 14, 2009 2:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah... the Rivals update says JPP wants to schedule a trip here later in the month.
He’s on his way to Kansas State this weekend.
USF fans target him as their last major prospect of the year.
Hopefully by the time he visits we know our scholarship limitations and can figure out how hard to go after him.
That being said, if he DOES visit on the 23rd or 30th, I wouldn’t be surprised to see him on our list of signees. I do not know anything about his grade situation. He originally chose UCF over Temple in 2007 when grades were clearly an issue.
by MattDNole on Jan 14, 2009 2:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He's at Missouri
they say he’s a good but not great player.
by FSUncensored on Jan 14, 2009 2:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Speaking of last year's recruits
I was on the bus with EJ Manuel, Zebrie Sanders, Andrew Datko and AJ Alexander. Datko is quiet, Zebrie sounds eloquent, but damn does AJ sound dumb. What really matters is that AJ Alexander looks like a waste of a scholarship. I’m taller than him by a good two inches, and I’m 5’10. He might be fast, but how the hell is he going to cover the Derius Heyward-Beys? God forbid he ends up against an equivalent of Greg Carr or Rodney Smith.
by DA-2 on Jan 14, 2009 2:54 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Corners went up against Greg Carr for 4 years and I don't remember him torching great defenses all that often.
The key is not to force Alexander to defend those guys 1 on 1. You give him adequate safety help by not selling out your coverage in favor of an all-out blitz. Do we have coaches who can teach that consistently? I don’t know. But I do know we’re not going to find a 7 foot corner any time soon.
by MattDNole on Jan 14, 2009 2:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Carr
wasn’t a “torching” type of player. He was big, physical, and ran the fade route with excellence (not that he always brought it in).
The key to defending a big physical reciever it not to ‘jump higher than him’ although that wouldn’t hurt, but to be sound fundamentally and learn to time the catch and seperate the reciever from the ball in some fashion.
by UNFNOLE on Jan 14, 2009 3:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I just meant that good teams generally found a way to deal with the height disadvantage.
by MattDNole on Jan 14, 2009 3:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not in the red zone
But back to my point, I’ve never played cornerback against some that’s 6’3, but I can tell you that we’re giving at least 4 inches away with Alexander at CB. I hope he has great skills, because he looks about as short as Antone Smith.
by DA-2 on Jan 14, 2009 3:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What good defenses got dominated by Carr in the redzone?
Duke?
by MattDNole on Jan 14, 2009 3:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Btw... I will give you Va Tech this year.
by MattDNole on Jan 14, 2009 3:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Doesn't it say something about the importance of height
When the guy is #2 all-time in TD catches? I think Carr performed well against GA Tech and Wisconsin as well. Despite that, yes, I think he’s underachieved his entire career. You would argue though that 9 inches on a man covering you isn’t an advantage?
by DA-2 on Jan 14, 2009 3:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Of course it's advantage.
But you can find ways to account for your disadvantages. I think the good teams generally did that against Carr and found ways to not let him destroy them.
If we’re going to trash Alexander for being short why should anyone on this board get their hopes up about Greg Reid? He is just as small if not smaller. Alphonso Smith was short too. I’m sure he wasn’t a good player.
It remains to be seen if Alexander can play corner. I, for one, have doubts. But it has more to do with his hips than it does his height. Assuming we can only have CBs who are 6’3’’ is what has gotten us into this desperate position at CB if you ask me.
by MattDNole on Jan 14, 2009 3:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
As far as his TDs are concerned...
Yes, Carr was a weapon on the deep ball and the fade, but let’s look at those TDs one more time.
2005- 9 TDs (3 against Duke, 2 against the Citadel)
2006- 12 TDs (1 against Troy, 2 against Rice, 3 against Duke, 2 against Western Michigan)
2007- 4 TDs (1 against UAB)
2008- 4 TDs (1 against Western Carolina)
Of the 39 games he played, over half his TDs came against garbage competition in 8 games.
by MattDNole on Jan 14, 2009 3:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
TD's are the worst way to measure a receiver out of
Yards, 1st downs, yards/ targeted (how many yards he got based out of how many throws went his way, so this factors in drops and the ability to adjust to the ball).
by FSUncensored on Jan 14, 2009 3:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Even then...
I’m not arguing the abilities of Carr. I’m arguing the advantage of height. I guess we’ll really have the answer after two players (Greg Carr and Rodney Smith) attempt to take advantage of their height.
by DA-2 on Jan 14, 2009 3:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ok... but a 5'8'' corner generall has the advantage of speed and quickness.
by MattDNole on Jan 14, 2009 3:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Aggressiveness.
Execution.
Our goal is simple: Best in the land
Kill a fly with an axe -- Mickey Andrews
by FSUSOM on Jan 14, 2009 6:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
when carr come across the mid
thats his weekness. Ponder would throw it high and he would jump for it. Hes luck right now. Ponders throws in the mid were almost always high and WR would have to reach for them leaving there ribs open for a good hit. We are luck our WR never got eaten coming across the field
by Desman on Jan 14, 2009 3:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ponder I like the guy but
when someone even carr would go across the mid he throw kinda high. With all the tall WR he throw high and left the ribs of the WR open for a big hit.
by Desman on Jan 14, 2009 4:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly....
Teams that get players to abide by fundamentals and have good athletes who can still make plays, routinely shut down Carr. It doesn’t take 7foot corners.
by UNFNOLE on Jan 14, 2009 3:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If we land Byrd and Reid (with Byrd looking good again, and the staff working under the new assumption that we take both if they both want to join)
Then I think A.J. never sees the field on the defensive end. But he’ll most likely be our starting KR next year, a role he should excel in (good 100m speed, 1 cut and go runner).
If he doesn’t redshirt, a combo of Thompson and Reed as our PRs, and our special teams look serviceable/good
Reid could also challenge for the PR spot
by CaStauch on Jan 14, 2009 2:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Reed's
hands and poise concern me. You have to be a little bit crazy BUT stable to be a productive return man. Does he have that?
by UNFNOLE on Jan 14, 2009 3:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Or is he going to try and do too much?
Because he is selfish? Thats when mistakes happen.
by UNFNOLE on Jan 14, 2009 3:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Quick question
Are KR and PR that much different?
I was curious all year why MRG wasn’t taking the PR but instead it was TC and Reed … who were damn near terrible at it.
by RollinNole on Jan 15, 2009 4:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Regarding the type of player you want, yeah
In order for a kick returner to be successful, he has to be able to make 1-2 initial reads of the blocks and the coverage and GO.
While this is a necessary skill for the PR as well, some like their PR to have a little more wiggle to make the first 2 initial guys miss, since they’re on him almost immediately after he touches the ball.
by CaStauch on Jan 15, 2009 5:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
JUCO guys
We don’t need to spend a scholarship on any JUCO guys. Look back at the recent JUCO rankings… none of these guys pan out.
Remember Larry Brackins? Louis Holmes? None of these guys turn into anything.
Verdell turned out to be a decent contributer, Boatman did nothing with us, Coulter didn’t even qualify.
LaGarette Blount might be the only guy I can think of who turned from a JUCO into a very good player.
http://today.sportingnews.com/sportingnewstoday/20081229/?pg=2
by tdchrisdavis on Jan 14, 2009 3:11 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Give me Phillip Thomas or some local QB over this DE
http://today.sportingnews.com/sportingnewstoday/20081229/?pg=2
by tdchrisdavis on Jan 14, 2009 3:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
But we have to remember that what we would do,...
and what a smart coach would do, is not necessarily what will be done on the defensive side of the ball here.
I think it is more likely at this point that the staff will go after JPP than Phillip Thomas, as much as that ticks me off.
by MattDNole on Jan 14, 2009 3:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Verdell may have won the game for us against VT with that pressure at the end of the half
Javon Walker tore it up his second year of the program.
I think Jimbo share’s your (made with good cause) concerns regarding Juco guys. See him flying out to Cali to make sure Pressely was 6’1. I think we can trust his evaluation of those types of players more so than the last staff, which relied on it as a crutch instead of using it as another well
by CaStauch on Jan 14, 2009 3:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Walter Jones.. the best offensive tackle in football history... JUCO
by FSUncensored on Jan 14, 2009 3:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Callahan Bright. Matt Hardrick. Brian Coulter. Shannon Boatman. Anthony Kelly. Barry Wright
Most guys don’t qualify, and those that do often don’t do much to help out.
If this were a different situation I wouldn’t be so against this, but when we are at such a scholarship crunch like this no way we gamble with a guy who might not even make it to campus.
http://today.sportingnews.com/sportingnewstoday/20081229/?pg=2
by tdchrisdavis on Jan 14, 2009 3:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I guess some of those guys are prep school guys
Same thing though.
Prep school is actually better because you have 4 years to play.
http://today.sportingnews.com/sportingnewstoday/20081229/?pg=2
by tdchrisdavis on Jan 14, 2009 3:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Dan Foster
Whatever happened to this guy? I see he didn’t qualify, and then was in the class of 08 as a JUCO, but he just never committed and there were no more stories… is he still around?
http://today.sportingnews.com/sportingnewstoday/20081229/?pg=2
by tdchrisdavis on Jan 14, 2009 3:27 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
AJ does look very short.
I hear he is fast as hell though. Hopefully we can find a way to utilize him if nothing else on special teams.
by fsunole23 on Jan 14, 2009 3:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Well, s_barrow has convinced me.
I think we could take up to 4 more. Who those 4 are is beyond me.
I would guess:
Charles
Byrd
Reid (Although this is more hope than it is think)
Player X
by MattDNole on Jan 14, 2009 3:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I would be very happy with those 3
by FSUncensored on Jan 14, 2009 3:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I as well.
I’ve just got to try to talk myself into believing we get Reid.
by MattDNole on Jan 14, 2009 3:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Have a little faith
The cards are in our favor, its all up to the coaching staff in whether we get Reid’s signature.
I feel better about it knowing Jimbo is involved. I think its important that he is actively recruiting on the defensive side of the team. Looks like the HCIW is building for the future on both sides of the ball.
Reid would be the signature player on defense for FIsher like EJ was on offense last year.
'Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football.' John Heisman
by Nattylite on Jan 14, 2009 3:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Reid play any offense in high-school?
Could he be a Macho Harris type player? Or is Jimbo strongly against these types of move. (not that our offense is in nearly as bad of shape as Tech’s was, where they were forced to make him play both ways).
by UNFNOLE on Jan 14, 2009 3:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That was my initial
thought when Jimbo went on that trip. It might be strictly to show stability, but I was wondering if he wasn’t trying to sell him on that as well.
by UNFNOLE on Jan 14, 2009 3:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He was all-state as a RB
http://today.sportingnews.com/sportingnewstoday/20081229/?pg=2
by tdchrisdavis on Jan 14, 2009 3:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe even Georgia offensive POY for ANY position
I don’t remember exactly.
http://today.sportingnews.com/sportingnewstoday/20081229/?pg=2
by tdchrisdavis on Jan 14, 2009 3:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The reason some of us don't have faith
its all up to the coaching staff in whether we get Reid’s signature.
Jimbo’s involvement helps a ton. I’m glad to see he gets to offer defensive players now.
by FSUncensored on Jan 14, 2009 3:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, in explanation...
What I meant by “coaching staff” was Jimbo Fisher and Andrews in this case.
I would have suggested breaking out the Colt 45, pouring one for the homies, and reminiscing about what might have been if Reid’s signing fate was left in the hands of Jody Allen and Chuck Amato.
'Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football.' John Heisman
by Nattylite on Jan 14, 2009 3:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’d rather never have another coach with an A or B last name.
by FSUncensored on Jan 14, 2009 3:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If I think positive thoughts, maybe it will actually happen.
We’re totally going to sign Charles, Byrd, Reid, and Player X. I do believe in that class, I do, I do.
by MattDNole on Jan 14, 2009 3:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think we stand a better chance with Starling than most of our fans
We all became jaded after TJ Bryant last year, but looking at Starling as a “Lincoln” prospect is the wrong move, imo. The days of FSU taking every marginal Lincoln player so they could be assured that the star would come are over. So are the days in which a former OC and Tallahassee recruiting designee spurned every local HS just to boost Lincoln’s ego. Bryant wanted to get out of Florida from the get-go, Jimbo wasn’t given the flexibility and direction to be able to usurp the defensive staff on offering recruits. We made up a lot of ground on TJ when Jimbo said f*ck it and made an in home, but Mickey had already blown our slim chance.
Jimbo has been Jawanza’s personal recruiter throughout the whole process. I’d call it 50/50 FSU and UGa at the moment. He’s been to FSU more than any other school over the past year and a half, knows our needs at safety, knows his hometown desperately wants him in garnet and gold.
by CaStauch on Jan 14, 2009 4:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That being said, tentatively I hope:
SS: Jawanza Starling
CB: Jarvis Byrd
CB: Greg Reid
HB: Orson Charles
SDE: Pierre-Paul (a prayer)
I really doubt Brown comes here. His mom loves Urban and UF, his father lives in Gainesville, they just won their 2nd NC in three years. We’ve got two star DTs committed, easy prey for a good negative recruiter like Urban.
by CaStauch on Jan 14, 2009 4:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That'd give us a very, very good hole-filling and instant-contributing class:
RB
- * * * Lonnie Pryor (Jimbo likes him in our system, instant impact would be minimized by good depth at RB)
- * * * Chris Thompson (may redshirt for size, gives good depth at our “Preston Parker” position
WR
- * * * Rodney Smith (6’6 with good weight and can fly, look for him to make immediate contributions at the X receiver spot)
- * * * Willie Haulstead (Jimbo and Dawsey’s #1 receiver target, 6’3 210, will catch balls next year)
HB
- * * * Orson Charles (fills the true HB void on our roster, will definitely steal snaps from Marcus Sims, I think he plays ~20 snaps as a freshman)
OL
- * * Henry Orelius (good depth at C/G)
- * * John Prior (good depth at T)
- * * Brian Stork (good depth at C/G)
WDE
- * * * Brandon Jenkins (early enrollee, good frame, already getting bigger according to his mom, good depth and competition at WDE)
SDE
- * * * Pierre-Paul (would play at SDE as much if not more as Markus White did at WDE, most likely more since he wouldn’t be competing with a future first rounder. That being said, prolly won’t likely be in the class =[ )
NT/DT
- * * * * Jaccobi McDaniel (instant contributer at DT/NT, incredible quickness, body control, technique)
- * * * Demonte McAllister (The best 3 Technique tackle Pete Carroll has seen at the HS level, will definitely see snaps)
LB
- * * * * CJ Mizell (Rivals has admitted that they’re punishing him for a past incident. FlaVarsity has him as the best LB in Florida, good enough for a 5 star rating for me. A better prospect than Nigel Bradham coming out of HS, born to wreck havoc at the Will position. His sophomore tape is more impressive than most LBs in this class senior tape. Look for him to have an Ernie Sims’ like effect on Kick off coverage and to steal snaps at Will by the 2nd of the year)
CB
- * * * Jarvis Byrd (Pahokee corner. See Janoris Jenkins, Alphonso Smith.)
- * * * * Greg Reid (A bit over-rated, but a ball hawk with great agility. Would challenge as our Nickel CB his first year and contend for our field corner when P-Rob graduates)
S
- * * * Jajuan Harley ( 4.3 forty, some ridiculous 100 meter time, good enough hips to shut down DJ Johnson at the Seminole showcase. Unfairly overshadowed due to Willie and Jawanza both being in Tally and he playing for Rickards. Will contend for snaps at FS)
- * * Gerald Demps ( ESPN loves him at the SS spot, loves his anticipation and eagerness. At the least, will alleviate our deplorable depth at safety)
- * * Justin Bright (reinforces Jimbo’s pipeline to Byrnes, increases our chances at landing the 5 or so prospects from that team Jimbo wants next year)
- * * * Jawanza Starling (Head hunter that can cover, just what the doctor ordered at SS. No more recruiting linebackers for this position please.)
Ath
- * * * * Willie Downs (Rivals jobbed him “highest rated 4 star bullsh*t”. Instant starter at FS for us, considered an athlete because he could still play WR (although Jimbo is a big-picture guy and must know that his value would be compromised by our breadth at WR and would be amplified by our dearth at FS. Not to mention safety is his higher ceiling position according to every analyst)
- * * Xavier Rhodes (all Dade county on defense, could play WR, could play CB, could play S, will add depth whereever he goes.)
I mean that’s a very good class, guys. Consider what we needed and wanted after the season ended: difference making defensive tackles—check; difference making safeties and depth at the position—check. Also, very good prospects at outside receiver in Smith and Haulstead, this was our year for that sub-position. Next year, we load up on the slot with no Preston, Reed and Easterling a JR. Like they planned it or something, we lead for VERY good prospects at that position in DJ Johnson, Fred Pickett, and are making ground with Chris Dunkley. We would have continued to add depth at OL, secured a potential game breaking 5 star at LB, and recruited ACTUAL cornerbacks for the first time, like, ever, and we would have found a perfect fit for Jimbo’s HB.
Granted, this is the best case scenario imo, but a little sugar in your diet is a good thing.
by CaStauch on Jan 14, 2009 4:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
lol wtf i didn't know that * was the bullet command. Add 1 star to each player haha.
by CaStauch on Jan 14, 2009 4:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That class would be better than anyone could have hoped for a while back.
I’m just afraid it still might be better than we can hope for.
Hopefully I’m wrong though.
by MattDNole on Jan 14, 2009 4:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
mizell
i hope you are right on him. Ever since simms left TEs have been dominating us. Atleast i think so haha
by Cee on Jan 14, 2009 5:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Very Good Observations
On Jawanza Starling. I think you are on to something…
My hope is for Reid, Charles and Starling on Feb. 4th.
'Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football.' John Heisman
by Nattylite on Jan 14, 2009 4:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You're gonna have to wait on Charles
I hear he’s waiting until after NSD.
Reid on the other hand is committing February 3rd, aka signing day eve. Last time we got a big recruit the night before NSD was Jamie Robinson, hopefully we get Reid and he performs better than Robinson did.
http://today.sportingnews.com/sportingnewstoday/20081229/?pg=2
by tdchrisdavis on Jan 14, 2009 4:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The main guys I want are
1. Reid
2. Charles
3. Starling
4. Byrd
by fsunole23 on Jan 14, 2009 3:36 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Mine
1. Reid
2. Charles
3. Byrd
4. Thomas
5. Starling
If we actually had a shot at Brown he would be #2.
http://today.sportingnews.com/sportingnewstoday/20081229/?pg=2
by tdchrisdavis on Jan 14, 2009 3:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Guys I want:
1. Reid
2. Thomas
3. Starling
4. Byrd
5. Charles
I think we finish with:
1. Byrd
2. Thomas (gets a NSD offer)
Our goal is simple: Best in the land
Kill a fly with an axe -- Mickey Andrews
by FSUSOM on Jan 14, 2009 6:26 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I'd be very dissapointed if we only got those 2
That would be 2 commitments in the final – what, 6 months of recruiting?
We’d better get at least one of Reid and Charles.
I can’t believe you’d rather have Thomas than Charles. This guy is an absolute mismatch on offense, too fast for LBs, too big for corners and too good of a route runner for safeties. If he can block alright this guy would be outstanding all over the place. Put him at TE, in the slot and even at wideout, nobody will be able to cover him in man coverage. Thomas is a good prospect and I think he could make a pretty good college player, but I’m interested to see if he’s a guy who is going to put the work in to become a good college player. He didn’t play football until this year, so while that means his raw talent is off the charts, it makes you wonder what he was doing the other 3 years and if playing football is really that important to him.
http://today.sportingnews.com/sportingnewstoday/20081229/?pg=2
by tdchrisdavis on Jan 14, 2009 7:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We already have plenty of offensive weapons.
Maybe it’s just I am not as high on Charles as others.
What makes you think that Thomas is disinterested in football?
Also, with this staff, do think we can pull Reid?
Our goal is simple: Best in the land
Kill a fly with an axe -- Mickey Andrews
by FSUSOM on Jan 14, 2009 9:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know if he is disinterested but
If football was that important to him, you’d think he would have played it before this year. Is he going to work hard in the offseason? Is he going to listen during team meetings? Or did he just want something to do this fall and knocking some heads sounded like fun? You’d think a guy of his talent wouldn’t have waited until he was 17 to play football.
Of course I think we can pull Reid. I just read an article written by the enemy that told how much Reid loved his visit and as of right now we are his top choice. If this staff can pull McDaniel as early as we did, and if they could somehow have gotten EJ last year, then I know they can get Reid.
From the looks of it, these are the things Reid wants, in no particular order
- Family/Religious values in a school
- Early playing time
- Good coaches that will get him in the NFL
We have #1, we certainly have #2, and he feels that we have #3 as well. IMO, there is no reason we shouldn’t get this guy.
http://today.sportingnews.com/sportingnewstoday/20081229/?pg=2
by tdchrisdavis on Jan 14, 2009 10:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
"the enemy" = a gator writer
not a rival nole site
http://today.sportingnews.com/sportingnewstoday/20081229/?pg=2
by tdchrisdavis on Jan 14, 2009 10:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
McDaniel was a Nole from birth.
Our defensive coaches are the reason I think we don’t get Reid.
If we take Thomas and he doesn’t work, cut him. It’s simple really. You can’t not take a chance with a guy of his talent.
It’s a calculated risk.
P.S. EJ was pulled by Jimbo.
Our goal is simple: Best in the land
Kill a fly with an axe -- Mickey Andrews
by FSUSOM on Jan 15, 2009 5:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I know I might be missing something...
Willie Reid as recently as 10 days ago was saying he’s playing WR at FSU. He says he wants to play WR. Yet people are pinning him at S. Which is it?
http://rivals.yahoo.com/video/recruiting-football/AMP-Willie-Downs-making-plays-43087
by DA-2 on Jan 15, 2009 12:20 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Most people probably think that as soon as the ink is dry on his LOI the coaches will try to convince him to play safety.
Given that we need more help there.
by MattDNole on Jan 15, 2009 9:22 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Isn't he out of eligibility?
I’d like to see Willie at safety. That’s where we need him, and I think his future is brighter there anyway.
http://today.sportingnews.com/sportingnewstoday/20081229/?pg=2
by tdchrisdavis on Jan 15, 2009 2:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think when the ink is dry, he'll be a Safety at FSU. We may even be encouraging him to keep saying WR in order to keep our options open in recruiting Starling and Thomas
by CaStauch on Jan 15, 2009 5:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know about that
It sounds like we’re losing Haulstead, Smith and maybe Dunkley right now.
http://today.sportingnews.com/sportingnewstoday/20081229/?pg=2
by tdchrisdavis on Jan 15, 2009 7:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Are you being sarcastic?
Smith and Haustead? WTH? Did I miss something?
Dunkley, UGA/Dah U/UF battle.
Our goal is simple: Best in the land
Kill a fly with an axe -- Mickey Andrews
by FSUSOM on Jan 15, 2009 7:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Smith and Haulstead are taking visits elsewhere
The guy who runs the Michigan rivals site said he thought there was a higher chance Haulstead went to Michigan than FSU.
http://today.sportingnews.com/sportingnewstoday/20081229/?pg=2
by tdchrisdavis on Jan 15, 2009 7:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Here's a thread I found on him
http://www.fvsports.com/forum/showthread.php?t=89586
The Nole fans there don’t sound worried, but some of them also think Lattimore is in the bag so take it fwiw.
http://today.sportingnews.com/sportingnewstoday/20081229/?pg=2
by tdchrisdavis on Jan 15, 2009 7:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I see from your reaction you're not buying it
I’d like to feel the same way, but I wouldn’t be surprised if we lost one of those guys.
http://today.sportingnews.com/sportingnewstoday/20081229/?pg=2
by tdchrisdavis on Jan 15, 2009 7:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Smith?
Our goal is simple: Best in the land
Kill a fly with an axe -- Mickey Andrews
by FSUSOM on Jan 15, 2009 7:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe
I just feel that now that we are finally focusing our attention on Reid and Charles and Thomas with the way our coaches work they’ll probably forget about the current commits who might be wavering a bit.
http://today.sportingnews.com/sportingnewstoday/20081229/?pg=2
by tdchrisdavis on Jan 15, 2009 8:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
nahh
Jimbo is a great recruiter, they’ve already visited him.
Our goal is simple: Best in the land
Kill a fly with an axe -- Mickey Andrews
by FSUSOM on Jan 15, 2009 8:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd wager my membership here, on the mainboard, and warchant
That we don’t lose Haulstead or Rodney Smith to Michigan and Clemson, respectively.
This speculation is born from them taking visits, nothing more. Haulstead will come back from his official to FSU this weekend raving, Smith and his mother both love Jimbo and FSU.
by CaStauch on Jan 15, 2009 8:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
corey gaines
Any reason why he isnt coming florida state??
by pcnole on Jan 15, 2009 12:52 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
He's maxed out
The coaches don’t think he will get much better.
by FSUncensored on Jan 15, 2009 11:26 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Jacobbi
Cancelled his UGA official?
'Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football.' John Heisman
by Nattylite on Jan 15, 2009 12:34 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Yes.
Good news. Maybe he can reschedule for the last visit (Greg Reid).
by FSUncensored on Jan 15, 2009 12:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
?
You mean Jaccobi visit the same weekend?
…so confused.
'Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football.' John Heisman
by Nattylite on Jan 15, 2009 12:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Right
It’s my idea, but I have no idea if it would work or could even happen.
by FSUncensored on Jan 15, 2009 12:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I doubt UGA takes him in for a visit.
They don’t like giving visits to prospects that aren’t coming.
Our goal is simple: Best in the land
Kill a fly with an axe -- Mickey Andrews
by FSUSOM on Jan 15, 2009 5:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Visit FSU, or be a bug in Reid's ear at UGA?
'Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football.' John Heisman
by Nattylite on Jan 15, 2009 1:08 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Keep an eye on Reid at UGA.
Send him everywhere Reid goes for the next 3 weeks.
by MattDNole on Jan 15, 2009 1:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Jacobii
won’t be visiting UGA or any other school. He is now aggressively recruiting for FSU since he is the cornerstone of our class.
by Seminole64 on Jan 15, 2009 1:19 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I'm sure Jacobii
will call Reid a few times but there is no reason to have Jacobii follow him around when you have Demps, an FSU commitment going to the same school as him. I think Reid is a Georgia Dawg.
by Seminole64 on Jan 15, 2009 1:21 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
A florida site says that Orson Charles has georgia way on top
I hope this is just that writer being biased.
http://today.sportingnews.com/sportingnewstoday/20081229/?pg=2
by tdchrisdavis on Jan 15, 2009 2:57 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Don't Forget
since we were talking about a Christian coaching staff influencing Charles, that Mark Richt is a Christian.
by UNFNOLE on Jan 15, 2009 3:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Last I checked FSU has a pretty Christian coach as well.
Also, is it true Jawanza Starling grew up a gator fan?
http://today.sportingnews.com/sportingnewstoday/20081229/?pg=2
by tdchrisdavis on Jan 15, 2009 3:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Your right….that was discussed yesterday. Just adding to that old conversation now that Charles was brought up again.
by UNFNOLE on Jan 15, 2009 3:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You said it best
“Florida Writer” – sure.
He hasn’t even visited UGA and the only reason many are saying that is because of Murray, his HS teammate, going to UGA. But he wasn’t all the close with him off the field.
Charles other visits to scare me a bit, but right now FSU is in great shape.
by Seminole64 on Jan 16, 2009 8:57 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
TIDBIT ON PHILLIP THOMAS
Thomas said Amato watched his film and they want to get him up on a visit. Amato asked what his visit schedule is like so far (Central Michigan this weekend and Troy the 23rd). Amato did say a visit doesn’t guarantee an offer though.
I have no clue what FSU is doing in this case. You want him or you don’t, figure it out and stop playing games is my feelings on the whole situation. I’d almost rather see Thomas save that last weekend to visit a school who has actually offered, not one that’s been wishy washy the whole way.
from Luke.
Looks like Chuck finally stopped watching Wisconsin film.
Our goal is simple: Best in the land
Kill a fly with an axe -- Mickey Andrews
by FSUSOM on Jan 15, 2009 6:05 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Phillip Thomas
Where can I find some film on this kid???
Im new to the game.
by ChuckNole on Jan 15, 2009 6:44 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Welcome to Tomahawk Nation.
Great name.
by FSUncensored on Jan 15, 2009 7:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
soflafootball.com
http://today.sportingnews.com/sportingnewstoday/20081229/?pg=2
by tdchrisdavis on Jan 15, 2009 7:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
wow, nevermind
I’m a little slow today
http://today.sportingnews.com/sportingnewstoday/20081229/?pg=2
by tdchrisdavis on Jan 15, 2009 7:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you
I am glad to be here. I have kept up with warchant for sometime, but I appreciate the tomahawk reality and opinions more. Did the Haha mean that I cannot access any of Thomas film online???
by ChuckNole on Jan 15, 2009 7:13 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
SoFlaFootball.com
is the site for recruiting in south Florida.
We featured Thomas’ video in this thread:
http://www.tomahawknation.com/2008/12/17/695489/wednesday-open-recruiting
by FSUncensored on Jan 15, 2009 7:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow!
Just saw his video for the first time and I’m completely on board now.
I see what TN has been talking about all this time. Where do I sign-up to get on the Thomas train?
Chuck Amato is an idiot.
'Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football.' John Heisman
by Nattylite on Jan 16, 2009 8:46 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
dido
Um Im not sure what to say. Im not big on the Off side but this guy would make a great CB/SS for us. I love how he brakes down for his tackles. I love how hes a hawk for the ball. Its like he has time to think about what hes doing. Hes going to be a good player and we sure as hell can use him.
by Desman on Jan 17, 2009 9:51 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
what if...
his name really is chuck and that wasnt an Amato joke? I think that makes it funnier.
by Miaminole on Jan 15, 2009 7:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Then, welcome to Chuck.
We’re glad to have you.
(and yes, that makes it infinitely funnier)
by MattDNole on Jan 15, 2009 7:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Olivier Vernon has confirmed he is going to Miami
What a shocker.
http://today.sportingnews.com/sportingnewstoday/20081229/?pg=2
by tdchrisdavis on Jan 15, 2009 7:47 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Aubrey Phillips
Do we want this guy? Sounds like Trickett sure does. With our depth at OL though, I’m not sure we can afford to take a 5th guy in this class (remember the 2 greyshirts from last year)
He plays tackle, and by my calculations the next 3 years will consist of Datko/Greenlee/Sanders at tackle, so I think we’re pretty much set there.
http://today.sportingnews.com/sportingnewstoday/20081229/?pg=2
by tdchrisdavis on Jan 15, 2009 8:06 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I haven't watched enough film to know.
Is he a fat 310lbs? How much of that is usable mass?
by FSUncensored on Jan 15, 2009 8:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Datko/Greenlee/Sanders will be.....
Sophmores by the time Phillips arrived at FSU. By the time his redshirt is off, they are all Juniors. That means he can back up as a freshman and sophmore and start as a junior at the latest (even earlier if someone goes pro or is injured). THAT is what you want…..redshirt juniors starting.
If FSU doesn’t recruit OL every year….we go back to where we were on the OL and that is screwed. They need to be in the system….at the training table, working out, and learning the system 2-3 years BEFORE they start. Do that and you have a chance to be great. Do otherwise and you look like a Jeff Bowden offense.
by noles55 on Jan 15, 2009 10:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
or a Mark McHale offensive line.
two of the worst insults that can be put on a football coach.
Amato coached LBs
Allen coached DEs
Dexter Carter coached RBs
Mickey Andrews coached DBs. . . . . oh, wait
Our goal is simple: Best in the land
Kill a fly with an axe -- Mickey Andrews
by FSUSOM on Jan 15, 2009 10:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Does anyone realize how much we will improve after '09?
by FSUncensored on Jan 16, 2009 12:51 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Why will FSU improve after 09?
I keeping hearing 2010 is the year and I am not sure why.
1. We might still have the same dysfunctional staff.
2. Even if we get Jimbo’s staff here, it will take them a few years to get their guys on defense.
3. The defense is THIN and not that talented in 2010 honestly. We have some talent, but where it is…..well there isn’t enough of it. We are very average to below average at CB, Safety, and DE (we have no dominators there and none coming in). DT has some talent, but just not near enough bodies.
Yes, our offense will be SOLID in 2010…..but our new defensive staff will need a couple years to get the defense on track IMHO.
by noles55 on Jan 16, 2009 8:25 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
- If we lose Bobby, Mickey, Amato, Allen, and Carter
- We lose only: S. Holloway M. Sims, C. Piurowski, R. Owens*, R. Goodman*, P. Parker, K. McNeil, J. Mincey, K. Stewart*, Thacker, D. Watson, R. Wright, K. Mangum, P. Robinson, J. Robinson*
I’ve argued that we should cut a few of those guys anyways.
The schedule is much easier from a conference standpoint. We drop Georgia Tech, don’t face VTech, and get UNC at home. Clemson and Wake are at home also.
by FSUncensored on Jan 16, 2009 10:27 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Rod Owens?
What did Rod Owens everr do to warrant being cut? Same with Kendrick Stewart? Wasn’t Stewart voted as hardest working or something from this past year? You can’t just cut a guy because he isn’t performing like you wished he had. Good luck getting any recruits when you have a reputation for dropping scholarships and getting rid of guys.
Do schools like Florida and USC do it? I guess so, but I think they just do it with guys that get in trouble with the law that underperformed, can you find any guys on one of those squads who was a stand up guy who got cut?
And the list of guys we lose after next year is actually a better group of guys than this year. That’s our top 2 FB, top TE, top WR, a quality WR, a good DE, 3 good DT, a great LB, a solid special teams guy, a backup corner, a great corner and a starting safety.
http://today.sportingnews.com/sportingnewstoday/20081229/?pg=2
by tdchrisdavis on Jan 16, 2009 11:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This is a list of guys who we lose after next season...
I’ve never suggested cutting Owens or KStew
by FSUncensored on Jan 16, 2009 11:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Nevermind then
I thought the * designated who you thought should be cut.
http://today.sportingnews.com/sportingnewstoday/20081229/?pg=2
by tdchrisdavis on Jan 16, 2009 11:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I believe
I used it to designate those who have redshirted.
by FSUncensored on Jan 16, 2009 11:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
well I think
I think our Off will do very good next year and should carry most of the load that the Def wont be able to. I think our Off will be good enough to keep us in the ACCAG and maybe even the OB. I think Jimbo has more say in who the Def is trying to recruit. I think wheh Jimbo takes over he will have about 65-70% of the guys he wants in and the year after closer to 80-90%. Im not going to hold my breath but I think from 2001-2008 will is the worst we will see for a while from FSU. I think we start back with 9+ games from here on out. Our Off will when games and when we get a Def in here then we can start to worry about the NC.
by Desman on Jan 17, 2009 9:58 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Good point
For some reason I discarded a redshirt on Phillips.
I don’t know what Tennessee’s situation is but I’d imagine he thinks he can crack their starting lineup before year 4, whereas here he knows he will have to beat 2 guys who have already gotten some PT to start at all in his 1st 3 years.
If early PT is important to him I doubt he comes here, but if he cares more about the OL coach I doubt he’ll find a better one at Tennessee. In fact, I KNOW he won’t find a better one there, because we have the top OL coach in the country.
http://today.sportingnews.com/sportingnewstoday/20081229/?pg=2
by tdchrisdavis on Jan 15, 2009 10:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Welcome to TomahawkNation, Noles55!
That’s a good point on The sophomore issue.
by FSUncensored on Jan 16, 2009 12:52 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for the link to the Phillip Thomas video and the welcome.
Is it just me or is Thomas a pretty intriguing prospect? Why hasnt he had more exposure? Am I the only one who thinks Jajuan Harley could be a bust??? He has impressive measurables, but Thomas had far better film
by ChuckNole on Jan 15, 2009 8:15 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Some answers
This is his 1st year playing football, which is why we haven’t heard much of him.
I haven’t really thought about Harley in a while, but I think he’ll play well here. He has good size and speed, and I believe his coverage skills are pretty good.
Thomas has great film but I’m still a little skeptical of him because I wonder what happens on plays that don’t make the film. Does he get beat deep a lot? Does he miss a lot of tackles? Miss assignments? I found a nice video on youtube that showed every carry Marcus Lattimore had in a game, I wish I could find more stuff like that, it gives you a much better idea of a player. Anyone can put together a nice highlight tape.
http://today.sportingnews.com/sportingnewstoday/20081229/?pg=2
by tdchrisdavis on Jan 15, 2009 8:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Luke from sofla, who watched both of them up close (Thomas all year and Starling in the State playoffs),..
says Thomas is a better safety than Jawanza Starling.
Thomas also did not take the SAT until very recently (apparently at the advice of the Edison staff) and teams may have been scared away by his lack of a score.
by MattDNole on Jan 15, 2009 8:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
All Edison kids take the ACT late.
Many high schools in south Florida are simply terrible.
Our goal is simple: Best in the land
Kill a fly with an axe -- Mickey Andrews
by FSUSOM on Jan 15, 2009 8:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think I read on wikipedia that all the dade school received a grade of F
By whatever it is that rates how good the school systems are.
I think northwestern has like a 50% graduation rate, and Killian has like a 33% grad rate.
http://today.sportingnews.com/sportingnewstoday/20081229/?pg=2
by tdchrisdavis on Jan 15, 2009 11:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yea, I remember reading that
I think Thomas is a good prospect and as I posted earlier in this thread, I’d rather have Thomas than Starling. However, I’m still a bit skeptical of him. I think he’s a bit of a hit or miss guy, while Starling IMO is more of a sure thing, with a celing much lower than Thomas.
Since we are taking so many safeties this year we can gamble on a guy which is why I like Thomas, plus he will play FS while Starling plays SS.
http://today.sportingnews.com/sportingnewstoday/20081229/?pg=2
by tdchrisdavis on Jan 15, 2009 11:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I Like Thomas...
1st year?! The sky is the limit for this kid, he is a natural.
I feel like he could be a steal.
Has anyone seen Harely live in pads???
I watched the Rickards vs FAMU High game, and Jajaun H did not impress defensively.
I dont think he has the DOG in him
by ChuckNole on Jan 15, 2009 8:30 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
dog?
like my boy brian dawkins in the NFL. He gets his hit stick out
by Cee on Jan 16, 2009 1:00 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
he said dog...not dirty...
i really dislike him, dawkins that it, maybe its because i’m a giants fan but i really think he plays dirty. constantly leads with his helmet and always hitting people late after the play. guy’s a hell of a hitter, but i think he has a screw loose or something
by Renegade11 on Jan 16, 2009 10:54 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
a screw loose
makes some of the best safety’s and linebackers ever. I don’t like Dawkins but football isn’t a ‘clean’ game.
John Lynch was accused of the same stuff, and I love him. I don’t like Dawkins AT ALL, but the guy knows how to handle the middle of the field like its supposed to be handled
"I have come that you may have life, and life to the max"
by UNFNOLE on Jan 16, 2009 2:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I want to know why FSU is going after the QB this year
Im not high on these guys. I know we didnt see Dvon leaving like this but man. We are going to need to go after the best dual threat QBs for 2010’s class.
by Desman on Jan 17, 2009 10:05 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
No one really knows for 2010.
Our goal is simple: Best in the land
Kill a fly with an axe -- Mickey Andrews
by FSUSOM on Jan 17, 2009 10:32 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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