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MBB Game 18: Maryland 73 at Florida State 76

Maryland Terrapins at Florida St. Seminoles, Jan 17, 2009 12:00 PM EST


ACC:1 FSU:2

 

On Tuesday night, the Seminoles made their way to Raleigh and walked away with a 78-65 win against NC State. Not to be too cliched, but that was a must win game. After battling against an outstanding Duke team, the Noles were a set up for a dissapointment against the Wolfpack. Instead, our team battled through periods of mental mistakes to win by 13. Our offense took on a different style/tempo and we made a statement.

This afternoon, we take on the Terps from Maryland at home. This is a must win game. Our team needs the confidence that we can win regularly in the ACC. Maryland is coming off a disapointing loss against Miami.

Let's take a look at the match up and a few final thoughts on the NC State game.

I'm posting this early due to the early game time on Saturday, allowing some discussion to occur.

Star-divide

 

Hopefully, our win over the Wolfpack will mark the day that Deividas Dulkys had his coming out party. Dulkys, a 6'3 to 6'4 guard, from Lithuania was the 67th ranked player by rivlals.com and ranked 14th overall at the shooting guard position. I couldn't find many recruiting videos on him but here is one from you tube. He's number 4 in the video. Make sure you don't blink at the end or you will miss him. Here is his highschool team's video and another cameo appearance. During many a game thread, we have discussed the erratic play of Loucks and many have asked who is that #4 guy....it's Dulkys. Our friends at Noles sports have taken notice as well. Dulkys played a great game and proved that he could play at both ends of the court. Even Hamilton was excited by his play: "I thought his defense was consistent the entire nigh. That's a pleasant surprise. Sometimes you have freshmen that have been offensive players all of their lives, but then they come to college and you challenge them to play defense. But he has accepted that challenge." Look for more of Dulkys in the games to come. This kid can shoot and if we can mature our offense, he will be putting up some ridiculous numbers on the offensive end. 

I'm excited that Dulkys is starting to get more minutes and I'm delighted that Gibson is making more appearances. This is a talented team that is as deep as any other team in the country. As Douglas said: " We go 10 and 11 deep and everybody's playing together." Against NC State, we only turned the ball over on 17% of our possessions, the second fewest all year. We did extremely well on the offensive boards and we got to to the free throw line. We barely made it to the line against Duke. Free throw shooting is a hallmark of Hamilton teams: get there often and shoot lights out. Hamilton's overall impression of the game was the following: "We were able to get some stops on defense and kept executing our offense. For the first time on the road in an ACC game, we showed some poise and confidence." Now we need to do it at home...

Gary Williams's team is 12-4 this year and has had a surprisingly difficult OOC schedule, playing the likes of Georgetown, Gonzaga, Michigan St. and Michigan. They are 1-1 in conference play, beating Georgia Tech at home 68-61, a game in which they were down for almost the entire game. They made a big come back late in the second quarter to steal the win. They only shot 31.5% from the floor that game and only 19% (5-26) from three point land. A few nights later, they lost a heart breaker to Miami on the road, leading from the start only to lose by 2 allowing the 'Canes to rally from 17 down. Jack McClinton, one of Miami's outstanding offensive players, drained a 3 with 24 seconds to go to seal the victory. Maryland is in a tough spot, losing a tight game on the road to Miami and having to follow it up with a game at the Tucker Center against a defensive minded, aggressive Florida State team.

Let's take a look at Maryland....

Category Offense Defense D-I Avg
Adj. Efficiency: 103.2 [122] 88.8 [24] 100.2
Adj. Tempo: 70.0 [80] 67.4
Four Factors
Effective FG%: 46.3 [257] 44.9 [50] 48.7
Turnover %: 17.7 [26] 24.1 [34] 21.0
Off. Reb. %: 35.2 [105] 33.5 [173] 33.3
FTA/FGA: 28.6 [318] 25.6 [17] 36.2
Miscellaneous Components
3P%: 31.6 [252] 32.0 [91] 34.0
2P%: 45.9 [235] 43.5 [51] 47.6
FT%: 78.8 [6] 61.7 [10] 68.5
Block%: 8.7 [166] 12.6 [38] 8.9
Steal%: 8.0 [37] 11.9 [50] 10.0
Style Components
3PA/FGA: 28.0 [276] 32.0 [133] 33.1
A/FGM: 55.5 [145] 52.0 [114] 54.5
Point Distribution (% of total points)
3-Pointers: 23.0 [276] 29.1 [116] 27.6
2-Pointers: 57.4 [55] 56.0 [61] 52.1
Free Throws: 19.6 [200] 14.9 [330] 20.3

If you haven't noticed...Pomeroy has updated his formatting. A couple of things immediately jump out. They do not shoot the ball well at all and they don't get to the line. Currently, Maryland is ranked 51st overall in the Pomeroy ratings. We are 59th and moving up the board quickly. Their offense is ranked 122 and their defense is ranked 24th. We rank 173rd (much improved) and 14th, respectively. Last year, the Terps went 19-15 overall and finished  8-8 in the ACC, losing in the second round of the NIT to Syracuse. They are returning 70% of possible returning minutes and are projected to go 7-9 in conference play this year. I don't think that will happen. Gary Williams's team is not playing up to expectations. They lost to Gonzaga 81-59, Georgetown 75-48 and Morgan St. 66-65.

So...what does Maryland do well? Play defense. Maryland is holding their opponents to 56 points per game, which is 56th nationally and 4th in the conference, only allowing 0.88 points per possession. Part of this is due to the fact that they don't allow teams to get to the line. Miami only made it to the free throw line 9 times. I would be upset if FSU didn't make it to the stripe at least 9 times in the first half. They also block a high percentage of shots and challenge shots well. They also force a high percentage of turnovers, particulary by stealing the ball. This presents an interesting challenge for the Noles. We are one of the worst teams in the country at turning the ball over, losing the ball on almost 24% of our possessions and allowing steals on 10.1% of our possessions (this has been creeping up recently). In general, we don't allow many steals...huh? We make a lot of sloppy plays and poor decisons, but in general, Douglas et al. protect the ball relatively well. If we can keep our turnover rate low we should be fine.

Clearly our defense is our bread and butter. Maryland does not shoot the ball well.

 

UMD Effective FG Pct (Games)

 

Pomeroy writes that the key to winning games is taking care of the "four factors." Recently, Maryland has seen a drop in their shooting percentage and offensive rebounding percentage:

 

UMD Effective FG Pct (Games) vs UMD Turnover Pct (Games) vs UMD Off Rebound Pct

 

Compare this chart to FSU:

FSU Effective FG Pct (Games) vs FSU FT Rate Pct (Games) vs FSU Turnover Pct (Ga

 

I think the general trend to notice with our chart is that the TO% is decreasing and the overall OR% is increasing. Shooting the ball well is key, but it's tough to follow this trend...obviously, we're decreasing but:

 

FSU Effective FG Pct (Games) vs FSU Opponent FG%

 

We have typically kept our opponents eFG& below ours. Keep in mind that this is weighted for 3 point field goals. We are one of the best teams in the country against the 2 and teams typically shoot the deep ball better against us as a result and may be reflected in some falsely elevated eFG%.

Here are the match ups:

Point Guard:

Adrian Bowie 6'2 190 So 10.4 ppg eFG% 50.7% 2.6 apg 1.3 apg 1.1 AT Ratio

Toney Douglas 6'2 205 Sr 18.5 ppg 49.7% 2.6 apg 2.0 apg 0.9 AT Ratio

Bowie has been asked to take on a huge responsibility as point guard at Maryland in his sophomore year. Last year, he was plagued by turnovers. This year, he continues to do the same, turning it over on 22.6% of possessions. He does return the favor on the other end stealing the ball 2.9% of his opponents possessions. He also gets to the line quite often and distributes the ball well. Douglas should win this match up. If Coach K said he would love to have Douglas on his team, we shouldn't worry about Toney's performance in this game.

Shooting Guard:

Greivis Vasquez 6'6 190 Jr 17.8 ppg 47.6 eFG% 4.9 apg 1.6 spg 6.1 rpg

Jordan Demercy 6'7 208 So 4.1 ppg 43.1 eFG% 2.4 apg 1.1 spg 3.4 rpg

Vasquez is their top player, with the highest ORtg and playing 84% possible minutes. He gets the ball on 26% of their possessions and takes 27% of their shots. Once again, DeMercy will have his handsful if he starts. Kitchen got the nod last time. Vasquez also does a nice job on the defensive boards and actually distributes the ball well for a bigger guard. His turnover percentage has improved from last year, but like Bowie, he will turn the ball over. We need to shut him down early and prevent him from geting off to a good start. He is also shooting a ridiculous 94% from the FT line.

Small Forward:

Eric Hayes 6'4 184 Jr 10 ppg 49.2 eFG% 3.4 apg 3.3 apg

Chris Singleton 6'9 220 Fr 9.2 ppg 49.1 eFG% 0.9 apg 6.1 apg

So I guess this isn't a fair match up and I shouldn't list Hayes as a small forward...Vasquez may have been better to discuss here, but Vasquez really is a true 2 guard. Maryland goes small and starts a three guard line up. This is not a fair match up for either Singleton or Hayes and don't expect to see this at all. I needed to put Hayes somewhere. Hayes contributes on the offensive end, distributes the ball well and otherwise uses up a lot of minutes. Singleton continues to impress me and look for him to dominate in this game. Maryland has no inside presence and Singleton can play anywhere on the floor.

Power Forward:

Landon Milbourne 6'7 207 Jr 12 ppg  52.8% eFG% 5.3 rpg 1.3 block/game

Ryan Reid 6'8 235 Jr 6.8 ppg 45% eFG% 4.0 rpg 0.8 block/game

Milbourne is their seond best overall player and likely their best offensive player, if you use the ORtg. He shoots the bal extremely well, rarely turns the ball over and generates steals and blocks. He is their offensive rebounder along with Vasquez. Reid didn't start the last game and at the time of writing this I have no idea if he will start again. Keeping Milbourne quiet will be key to this game. He plays bigger than his 6'7.

Center:

Dave Neal 6'7 263 Sr 7.6 ppg 4.6 rpg 0.1 block/game

Solomon Alabi 7'1 241 Fr 7.1 ppg 5.6 ppg 2.0 block/game

Obviously, our height is a huge advantage in this game. Even if Maryland goes small, we can counter with big athletic guards that can keep up with smaller guards. Neal shoots the ball well and rarely turns it over and plays productive minutes on both ends. His ORtg is 113, second best on the team. He wasn't expected to make a huge contribution this year in the pre-season. Look for Alabi to have a huge game. There is no reason we can't shut down the paint area and clean up on the offensive boards.

Maryland's other contributers are Sean Mosely, a freshman and Cliff Tucker, a sophomore. So why is Maryland so good...They don't turn the ball over and they score a lot of points at the free throw line. What do we do well...we limit our opponents ability to get to the line, only allowing 20.4% of our oppnents poinst from the line.  We score 24.7% of our points at the line. We also close out on jump shots, allowing teams to shot only 40% from the floor, 11th best in the nation. This is largely due to Alabi and company shutting down the paint.

Maryland is a deceptively good team and has won some good games in their OOC schedule: Michigan, MSU, Georgia Tech (barley). Despite Pomeroy thinking we have a slim chance to win this game, I think we take care of business and continue to make our case to be in the NCAA tournament.

Thoughts?

Go NOLES!

(Unfortunately, I won't be home in time to catch the game with you all. Enjoy! The game will be televised on raycom. Check out justin.tv to see if anyone has a live feed for you.)

 

 

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  • I tent to prefer our match up when we play great shooting teams as I know we can limit their ability to shoot. It is teams like Maryland (though their offense isn’t any good) that scare me because our shot supression probably doesn’t have such a dramatic effect on them that it would on a great shooting team.
  • Maryland won’t be able to win this game unless they score 12 points off of Seminole turnovers. The key is NOTHING CHEAP. Box out, continue not to foul, and Make Maryland work.
  • I would player slower in this game. A very deliberate pace could favor us, despite our success in Raleigh, because we’re not going to get fast break stuff against Maryland like we did against the ’Pack. I want us to be deliberate on offense, protect the ball, and physically beat Maryland in an ugly game controlled by our size.
  • Excellent use of visual aides. :)

by FSUncensored on Jan 16, 2009 4:14 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Prediction: FSU 66, Maryland 58

Game will be closer then we will hit our free throws to widen the final margin.

by FSUncensored on Jan 16, 2009 4:17 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Having a size advantage usually helps in drawing fouls.

I expect we get to the line and when we do we must knock em down.

"I have come that you may have life, and life to the max"

by UNFNOLE on Jan 16, 2009 4:22 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Our size advantage will help us significantly...however our FT attempts and FT% rate have decreased significantly, particularly in the last two games.

Clearly, they were against better competition. Even against the likes of Cal, Cinci and UF we did a much better job getting to the line.

There is no reason that Alabi, Singleton, Reid and Echefu shouldn’t have great games. One of the four will stand out as Maryland can’t match up. Unfortunately, Singleton is really the only regular offensive threat of the bunch.

by TrueCubbie on Jan 16, 2009 8:21 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm worried about focus...

I may be wrong, but we seem to lose defensive focus for stretches when we can’t score. It’s only after timeouts or a crazy play from TD that we gain it back. I think the biggest factor in this game will be Alabi on the defensive glass and Singleton on the offensive glass. I bet there’s going to be a lot of errant shots and our ability to control what falls off the rim will dictate our ability to score and win.

by Weasie on Jan 16, 2009 4:20 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Interesting you mention an ugly game.

Maryland is one of those teams, along with Clemson, that we just seem to always play ugly games with. Hopefully we can assert our will and they don’t come up with another crazy-named African guy who shoots like he’s throwing darts but somehow they fall.

by MattDNole on Jan 16, 2009 4:25 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Should we worry about their quickness

with a smaller lineup?

"I have come that you may have life, and life to the max"

by UNFNOLE on Jan 16, 2009 4:25 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I got

FSU- 71
Maryland- 64

I haven’t watched Maryland a lot this year, but when I have they haven’t impressed me. I think we are gaining confidence, plus it is a home game for us.

by fsunole23 on Jan 16, 2009 4:48 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Gamethread?

I think that ESPN Gameplan is on a free preview this week for everyone that has digital cable. Currently the channel that the game should be on is showing chuck norris kick some ass on his total gym.

by Weasie on Jan 17, 2009 11:55 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Game on

I’m here – anybody else watching or listening?
An internet link would be useful…

by CelticPride on Jan 17, 2009 12:08 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

???

I hate not knowing a thing about B-ball no I was kinda hopen to lision in

by Desman on Jan 17, 2009 12:10 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Unfortunate start to the game

They hit a ridiculous 3 as the shot clock was running out and then we made an errant pass into their halfcourt trap. But from what I’ve seen so far, if we can beat their halfcourt trap this game we should completely dominate them. They have no answer for our size

by Weasie on Jan 17, 2009 12:13 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

at work on an army computer :(

ya I get to hear it thanks Cpride

by Desman on Jan 17, 2009 12:14 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Down 9-6, 5 min. in

Need to control our glass!

by CelticPride on Jan 17, 2009 12:16 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

As someone posted, ESPN Full Court is on a free trial right now. On DirectTV, the game is on ch. 721.

GO NOLES!

by thirdcoastnole on Jan 17, 2009 12:18 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

MD on 6-0 run

Down 11-6 – all half court so far 12:46 to go

by CelticPride on Jan 17, 2009 12:20 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

TD for 3!!!

game tied

by thirdcoastnole on Jan 17, 2009 12:21 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Watch for a huge run right here by us.

Once our offense starts scoring, expect the defensive intensity to pick up.

by Weasie on Jan 17, 2009 12:22 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Not well

Reminicient of that NU game. You can clearly tell we are better but were just not executing. A lot of our offensive success has been lucky. TrueCubbie was spot on with the size analysis

by Weasie on Jan 17, 2009 12:26 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

FSU on 11-0 run

by thirdcoastnole on Jan 17, 2009 12:26 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Need to handle the press

Loucks with a second 3

Up 6!

by CelticPride on Jan 17, 2009 12:26 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

alleyyyyyyyoooooooppppppppppppppp

by thirdcoastnole on Jan 17, 2009 12:28 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Nice shots

Loucks with 2 straight threes! We should punish them with our size, alabi needs to not panic when he gets the ball and just go strong with it.

by fsunole23 on Jan 17, 2009 12:29 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

MD off rebound

Results in easy put-back :(

by CelticPride on Jan 17, 2009 12:29 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Are we just not blocking out?

That was in another fight for a rebound…

by CelticPride on Jan 17, 2009 12:31 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It was a weird bounce off the rim and the ball was going out of bounds

Maryland defender was holding him and Loucks was just trying to get separation

by Weasie on Jan 17, 2009 12:32 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Alabi needs to become more of a factor

Maryland is denying him the ball on the block. We need to just toss him allyoops as he separates.

by Weasie on Jan 17, 2009 12:38 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

We'll see

I just think we’re not experienced with being so oversized and don’t really know how to get the easy buckets we should be getting

by Weasie on Jan 17, 2009 12:39 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Another off board by MD

results in a 2 pt. lead

We can’t keep on giving up 3 shots a possession.

by CelticPride on Jan 17, 2009 12:45 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Carry on Vasquez

Let’s work for a big shot to close out the half…moral battles

by Weasie on Jan 17, 2009 12:47 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Finally a fast break basket

TD with the steal and the hoop

by CelticPride on Jan 17, 2009 12:48 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Up 2 at the half

Alabi blocks the last second attempt by MD

by CelticPride on Jan 17, 2009 12:49 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Turnovers and the glass

They have Eight more shots than we do.
Need to value the ball more

by CelticPride on Jan 17, 2009 12:49 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Halftime

This is ugly game so far. This game shouldn’t even be close. Hopefully one of the couches chews out Alabi and rolls off like 30 points. They should not be able to stop him at all.

by Weasie on Jan 17, 2009 12:49 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

1st Half Thoughts... Game tied at 27
  • We have 7 turnovers, but 3 of them have been offensive fouls, meaning Maryland has not been able to hit easy breakaways.
  • The refs won’t call 5 charges in the 2nd half like they did the 1st
  • Alabi played well when he was in there
  • Worrisome rebounding, Ham needs to get on these guys.
  • We need to get to the line.
  • Maryland should shoot better in the 2nd half (slightly), but they are winning because they have 8 more shots than we do.
  • Can hamilton adjust?

by FSUncensored on Jan 17, 2009 12:51 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

The commentators mentioned we got away from the inside game

I wonder if they failed to notice Maryland quit the halfcourt trap to sit back more and that’s why those points went away

by Weasie on Jan 17, 2009 1:03 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

what a move by TD!

by thirdcoastnole on Jan 17, 2009 1:07 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

This is our game

This should be our signature…the fast break

by Weasie on Jan 17, 2009 1:09 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I think it's going to be hard for Maryland to get back in the game at this point

I could be wrong and Gary could make some changes, but I think we’ve figured out how to put this one away barring some mental lapses

by Weasie on Jan 17, 2009 1:11 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Don't get me wrong

I hope you’re right.
But we need to avoid turnovers and control the glass

There’s a long way to go (16 min)

by CelticPride on Jan 17, 2009 1:12 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Game's not on in Northern VA

thus i depend on y’all for a comprehensive game report. Dont Let Me Down haha

by CaStauch on Jan 17, 2009 1:14 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I never like to log in and see the words turnover associated with us...not surprised.

Excellent posts everyone…sorry…but I can only join for this post. On my home after being on call…lets hope the Alabi-oop connects more often and we walk away with it at the end. Look forward to reading the rest of the posts. Cheers

by TrueCubbie on Jan 17, 2009 1:19 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That was a huge play

Tony’s ft’s puts up 6

by CelticPride on Jan 17, 2009 1:21 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Dulkys and Loucks give me great hope for the future

Singleton seems blue-chip. Demercy is intriguing. But Dulkys and Loucks look like good glue guys.

by CelticPride on Jan 17, 2009 1:27 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think we've found that Bowie is the catalyst for their success

When he gets back in the game we need to go at him and hope we can get him to foul out. Vasquez hasn’t really done anything.

by Weasie on Jan 17, 2009 1:26 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That fourth foul was huge

three pt.s for us Bowie gone for a while

by CelticPride on Jan 17, 2009 1:28 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Nice outlet

and finish by Loucks. We are looking great right now, we just have to finish strong!

by fsunole23 on Jan 17, 2009 1:25 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

This is complete BULLSH&T

These refs are gifting the game. Calling nonsense fouls on us and not giving us any reaches when were attaching their trap

by Weasie on Jan 17, 2009 1:29 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Alright TD

We need one more span of intense defense hope to catch Bowie back

by Weasie on Jan 17, 2009 1:32 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

TO

change this lineup…put kitchen and alabi back in

by Weasie on Jan 17, 2009 1:35 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

ugh

Turnovers and missed 3
lead down to 4

by CelticPride on Jan 17, 2009 1:36 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

This will probably come down to FT shooting.

Which should work out for us, but we should really just put them away.

by TBfisherman on Jan 17, 2009 1:40 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

good time out here

he’s going to tell them to throw the ball into alabi. were not making that pass.

by Weasie on Jan 17, 2009 1:41 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Good timeout?

Shoulda come when they cut it to 6

by CelticPride on Jan 17, 2009 1:41 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

effin turnovers

by thirdcoastnole on Jan 17, 2009 1:42 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

agreed

He is almost there now.

by TBfisherman on Jan 17, 2009 1:46 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

reply fail

He needs to nail more jumpers to be complete

by TBfisherman on Jan 17, 2009 1:47 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Bowie with number 5

We crash the boards and Kitchen gets 2 ft’s up 4

by CelticPride on Jan 17, 2009 1:46 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

hit 'em both

Big ft’s – up 6 with 4 left

by CelticPride on Jan 17, 2009 1:47 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

that seemed to appen a lot in the early games

it is hard to critisize that effort. Maybe better communication would help, but it is hard to talk when fighting for a ball.

by TBfisherman on Jan 17, 2009 1:50 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Just joining in

I heard some on Terrapin radio. Are we still clueless against their zone defense?

"I have come that you may have life, and life to the max"

by UNFNOLE on Jan 17, 2009 1:50 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

if you have satellite tv or digital cable, ESPN Full Court is free right now so you can watch game

by thirdcoastnole on Jan 17, 2009 1:51 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

My wife is hogging the TV

right now watching some chicks show. I lost my man card when I got married.

"I have come that you may have life, and life to the max"

by UNFNOLE on Jan 17, 2009 1:53 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

AUGH!!!!

MD Off rebound followed by and-1 converted

by CelticPride on Jan 17, 2009 1:51 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Hard to win

when you give up a lot of 2nd chance shots and get destroyed on the boards.

"I have come that you may have life, and life to the max"

by UNFNOLE on Jan 17, 2009 1:53 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Turnover

Up 3 and we turn it over

by CelticPride on Jan 17, 2009 1:52 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Tie f'ing game

Can’t score vs. the zone
Turning it over

by CelticPride on Jan 17, 2009 1:52 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Just got here

How are we looking?

http://today.sportingnews.com/sportingnewstoday/20081229/?pg=2

by tdchrisdavis on Jan 17, 2009 1:54 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

We led by 12 at the 10 minute mark

we can’t rebound at all, MD has 14 pts off putbacks (at least)

We’ve made 2 shots in the last 10:01

by FSUncensored on Jan 17, 2009 1:55 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

this game will come down to freethrows

by thirdcoastnole on Jan 17, 2009 1:54 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Sounded like Dougelas

was forcing the 3 on the radio. Impatience and Inexperience?

"I have come that you may have life, and life to the max"

by UNFNOLE on Jan 17, 2009 1:56 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

can't type.

"I have come that you may have life, and life to the max"

by UNFNOLE on Jan 17, 2009 1:56 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

What a bad possession

33 seconds and not one shot. No way we do anything here with 2 seconds left.

http://today.sportingnews.com/sportingnewstoday/20081229/?pg=2

by tdchrisdavis on Jan 17, 2009 1:56 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

2 seconds on the shot clock

ball left with ~90 sec.s left

by CelticPride on Jan 17, 2009 1:56 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Great look there

Maryland is just as bad on their possession though.

http://today.sportingnews.com/sportingnewstoday/20081229/?pg=2

by tdchrisdavis on Jan 17, 2009 1:57 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

singleton airball

need some stops down the stretch

by CelticPride on Jan 17, 2009 1:57 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Dangerous pass but it worked out

Kitchen!

http://today.sportingnews.com/sportingnewstoday/20081229/?pg=2

by tdchrisdavis on Jan 17, 2009 1:57 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

GET THE REBOUND!

Take the last shot, guys.

http://today.sportingnews.com/sportingnewstoday/20081229/?pg=2

by tdchrisdavis on Jan 17, 2009 1:59 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

yeah, that was a

weak defensive attempt at the board.

"I have come that you may have life, and life to the max"

by UNFNOLE on Jan 17, 2009 2:00 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

we can’t get a def. rebound!

by thirdcoastnole on Jan 17, 2009 1:59 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

just an awkward bounce off the rim again

were trying to time our jumps but its hitting front iron

by Weasie on Jan 17, 2009 2:00 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'd rather them box out

and get physical than trying to time jumps from the free throw line. Thats poor fundamentals and out of control basketball.

"I have come that you may have life, and life to the max"

by UNFNOLE on Jan 17, 2009 2:01 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I thought we were the tallest team in the nation?

We must have the worst vertical leap in the nation.

http://today.sportingnews.com/sportingnewstoday/20081229/?pg=2

by tdchrisdavis on Jan 17, 2009 2:00 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Please no turnover here

by thirdcoastnole on Jan 17, 2009 2:01 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

THAT was the shot????????????????????

http://today.sportingnews.com/sportingnewstoday/20081229/?pg=2

by tdchrisdavis on Jan 17, 2009 2:01 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

wow. I ball like twice a month and could have at least drove to the rim on that possession and put up a better attempt than that.

by thirdcoastnole on Jan 17, 2009 2:02 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

What went wrong on that play:

1. We threw it all the way on the other side of the court to Toney essentially wasting 3 seconds or so

2. No picks were set

3. Nobody made a cut to the basket

4. Toney didn’t look to pass the ball

Other than that though, great job by Leonard!

http://today.sportingnews.com/sportingnewstoday/20081229/?pg=2

by tdchrisdavis on Jan 17, 2009 2:03 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I mean, was the play actually a designed 3 by Toney?

Cause it sure looked like it.

http://today.sportingnews.com/sportingnewstoday/20081229/?pg=2

by tdchrisdavis on Jan 17, 2009 2:03 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Here is the play...

1. Get the ball to 23 anwhere on the court.
2. Stand and watch TD

by TBfisherman on Jan 17, 2009 2:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

that was just embarassing

by thirdcoastnole on Jan 17, 2009 2:03 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Any Henry Orelus chants?

http://today.sportingnews.com/sportingnewstoday/20081229/?pg=2

by tdchrisdavis on Jan 17, 2009 2:04 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

??????????

he’s committed

Our goal is simple: Best in the land

Kill a fly with an axe -- Mickey Andrews

by FSUSOM on Jan 17, 2009 2:07 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I know, it was a joke

http://today.sportingnews.com/sportingnewstoday/20081229/?pg=2

by tdchrisdavis on Jan 17, 2009 2:08 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

hard to recognize sarcasm

Our goal is simple: Best in the land

Kill a fly with an axe -- Mickey Andrews

by FSUSOM on Jan 17, 2009 2:09 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That was embarassing for Maryland

http://today.sportingnews.com/sportingnewstoday/20081229/?pg=2

by tdchrisdavis on Jan 17, 2009 2:04 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

why are these guys suddenly afraid to drive on the zone?

by thirdcoastnole on Jan 17, 2009 2:05 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Singleton nees to SLOW DOWN

http://today.sportingnews.com/sportingnewstoday/20081229/?pg=2

by tdchrisdavis on Jan 17, 2009 2:05 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Good shot by Toney

Let’s grab some boards now.

http://today.sportingnews.com/sportingnewstoday/20081229/?pg=2

by tdchrisdavis on Jan 17, 2009 2:06 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

WOW! look what happens when you drive on the zone! you score!

by thirdcoastnole on Jan 17, 2009 2:07 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

17

http://today.sportingnews.com/sportingnewstoday/20081229/?pg=2

by tdchrisdavis on Jan 17, 2009 2:07 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

How is that a goaltend?

First of all he was fouled.

Second of all, the ball barely left his hand.

http://today.sportingnews.com/sportingnewstoday/20081229/?pg=2

by tdchrisdavis on Jan 17, 2009 2:07 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Make these shots, Toney

http://today.sportingnews.com/sportingnewstoday/20081229/?pg=2

by tdchrisdavis on Jan 17, 2009 2:09 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Way to go TD

good recognition…we need to push the pace of the game…more possessions favors us

by Weasie on Jan 17, 2009 2:09 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

seriously…and 8th grade girls team can score against a zone

by thirdcoastnole on Jan 17, 2009 2:10 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

What a dumb foul

My goodness.

http://today.sportingnews.com/sportingnewstoday/20081229/?pg=2

by tdchrisdavis on Jan 17, 2009 2:11 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

ughhhhhh

Our goal is simple: Best in the land

Kill a fly with an axe -- Mickey Andrews

by FSUSOM on Jan 17, 2009 2:11 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Lucky shot

http://today.sportingnews.com/sportingnewstoday/20081229/?pg=2

by tdchrisdavis on Jan 17, 2009 2:11 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

+1, but I’ll take it

by thirdcoastnole on Jan 17, 2009 2:12 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

We're playing like idiots

Why foul? Maryland can’t make a shot, don’t give them free ones!

http://today.sportingnews.com/sportingnewstoday/20081229/?pg=2

by tdchrisdavis on Jan 17, 2009 2:12 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

can’t make FTs either

by thirdcoastnole on Jan 17, 2009 2:12 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Good, now make these

http://today.sportingnews.com/sportingnewstoday/20081229/?pg=2

by tdchrisdavis on Jan 17, 2009 2:13 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

interesting possession there

by thirdcoastnole on Jan 17, 2009 2:13 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Never hit the rim

It’s Maryland’s ball.

I can’t believe we had 35 seconds and that was the best shot we could find.

http://today.sportingnews.com/sportingnewstoday/20081229/?pg=2

by tdchrisdavis on Jan 17, 2009 2:14 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

it doesnt matter when the whistle is

it matters when the foul happens

by Weasie on Jan 17, 2009 2:14 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

thanks for clarifying that

by thirdcoastnole on Jan 17, 2009 2:15 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

the foul occurred before the shot clock expired, but i don’t think they whistled it in time

by thirdcoastnole on Jan 17, 2009 2:14 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Too close to call, can't overturn this

Should be our ball now that I have seen it again.

Terrible shot, anyway.

http://today.sportingnews.com/sportingnewstoday/20081229/?pg=2

by tdchrisdavis on Jan 17, 2009 2:15 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Good

Now make these, Chris.

http://today.sportingnews.com/sportingnewstoday/20081229/?pg=2

by tdchrisdavis on Jan 17, 2009 2:15 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Whistle time doesn't matter

It matters when he got fouled!

by CelticPride on Jan 17, 2009 2:15 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I think what he's referring to is that the clocks are programmed to stop when the ref blows the whistle

but i believe you are correct that it shoudln’t matter when the whistle blows on this type of play.

by Weasie on Jan 17, 2009 2:17 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Up 1

Singleton looks like he’s going to the line for 2 – tv timeout

by CelticPride on Jan 17, 2009 2:16 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

If we pull this out

It’s b/c we hit our ft’s and MD missed theirs in OT

by CelticPride on Jan 17, 2009 2:17 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Need to make the second

http://today.sportingnews.com/sportingnewstoday/20081229/?pg=2

by tdchrisdavis on Jan 17, 2009 2:18 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

YES!!

http://today.sportingnews.com/sportingnewstoday/20081229/?pg=2

by tdchrisdavis on Jan 17, 2009 2:18 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

no jump

that was a travel…he thought he got fouled

by Weasie on Jan 17, 2009 2:19 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

jump ball they changed it to

Just get it in to Toney and tell him to wait to be fouled.

http://today.sportingnews.com/sportingnewstoday/20081229/?pg=2

by tdchrisdavis on Jan 17, 2009 2:19 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Bad inbounds play

1 guy was there to get the ball and he nearly caught it out of bounds.

Toney needs to make the 2nd.

Yes, we’re up 3, 5.5 seconds left.

http://today.sportingnews.com/sportingnewstoday/20081229/?pg=2

by tdchrisdavis on Jan 17, 2009 2:21 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

DON'T TURN IT OVER

"I have come that you may have life, and life to the max"

by UNFNOLE on Jan 17, 2009 2:20 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I like the play, fouling him

It’s a smart move.

http://today.sportingnews.com/sportingnewstoday/20081229/?pg=2

by tdchrisdavis on Jan 17, 2009 2:21 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

need to block OUT!!

by CelticPride on Jan 17, 2009 2:22 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Our ball

But still, that was close. Too close.

Just chuck it deep here.

http://today.sportingnews.com/sportingnewstoday/20081229/?pg=2

by tdchrisdavis on Jan 17, 2009 2:22 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

wow

that almost cost us…

"I have come that you may have life, and life to the max"

by UNFNOLE on Jan 17, 2009 2:22 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Miss the 2nd FT here

Slam it off the rim.

http://today.sportingnews.com/sportingnewstoday/20081229/?pg=2

by tdchrisdavis on Jan 17, 2009 2:23 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Miss this!!

http://today.sportingnews.com/sportingnewstoday/20081229/?pg=2

by tdchrisdavis on Jan 17, 2009 2:23 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Don't foul ther're shooting on contact.

We win.

http://today.sportingnews.com/sportingnewstoday/20081229/?pg=2

by tdchrisdavis on Jan 17, 2009 2:24 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

an ugly win, but a win

by thirdcoastnole on Jan 17, 2009 2:24 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

YAHHHHHHH BABYYYYYYYY

shouldnt have been anywhere near that close. Gonna be a lotta zone practice next week

by Weasie on Jan 17, 2009 2:24 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

And a lot of defensive rebounding practice

http://today.sportingnews.com/sportingnewstoday/20081229/?pg=2

by tdchrisdavis on Jan 17, 2009 2:25 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I hope so

We are doing a lot better against the press, so hopefully we can do the same wih the zone.

by TBfisherman on Jan 17, 2009 2:25 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Nailbiter

Wow, don’t know if we deserved that

They missed 4 ft’s in OT

by CelticPride on Jan 17, 2009 2:24 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Barely escaping this one...

"I have come that you may have life, and life to the max"

by UNFNOLE on Jan 17, 2009 2:24 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Whos next Miami?

"I have come that you may have life, and life to the max"

by UNFNOLE on Jan 17, 2009 2:24 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks.

"I have come that you may have life, and life to the max"

by UNFNOLE on Jan 17, 2009 2:26 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

We didn't play well in the end

But an ACC win is still a good thing.

http://today.sportingnews.com/sportingnewstoday/20081229/?pg=2

by tdchrisdavis on Jan 17, 2009 2:24 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

WOW! Huge!

We’re now 2-1 in the ACC, Kenpom had us at 1.02-1.98

by FSUncensored on Jan 17, 2009 2:25 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Whos next?

"I have come that you may have life, and life to the max"

by UNFNOLE on Jan 17, 2009 2:26 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

nevermind.

Miami is going to give us fits. UVA should be an easy win.

"I have come that you may have life, and life to the max"

by UNFNOLE on Jan 17, 2009 2:26 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

an easy win with this team?

Our goal is simple: Best in the land

Kill a fly with an axe -- Mickey Andrews

by FSUSOM on Jan 17, 2009 2:27 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Really?

After watching them play against UNC they were just outright awful.

"I have come that you may have life, and life to the max"

by UNFNOLE on Jan 17, 2009 2:28 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I mean....

I know its UNC, but it was ugly.

"I have come that you may have life, and life to the max"

by UNFNOLE on Jan 17, 2009 2:28 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

A win is a win

insert “hellz yeah” asian woman pic.

Our goal is simple: Best in the land

Kill a fly with an axe -- Mickey Andrews

by FSUSOM on Jan 17, 2009 2:26 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

TC

You need to write a letter to Alabi demanding he become a presence down low. If you can get your hand above the rim without jumping you should not have a problem beating a team whose tallest player is 6’7

by Weasie on Jan 17, 2009 2:39 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Seriously.

He has so so so much potential. I think his fear is making mistakes and he becomes passive. Learning to play with your back to the basket is a difficult task as you really need to understand your positioning on your court and the defensive player’s leverage. There is on reason he shouldn’t be able to back a guy down and simple drop a little hook over his head. He doesn’t need to dunk every play, he doesn’t need to take 10 foot jump shots. Simple releases off the back board is all he needs to do. Too often young post players try to get the ball in with out using the back board and they frequently miss. It is too difficult a shot from down low to try and swish it….why do you think kids are taught to use the back board on a lay up? I don’t care if you’re 7’1, use the glass. You’re more likely to get a better bounce and it may allow you to get in better position for a board as the ball will like bounce up off the rim rather than slip off to the side.

Alabi is patient on defense and that is why he has so many blocks, but he doesn’t attack the boards. He typically gets boxed out by smaller players who fight for position. He has shown moments of brilliance. Unfortunately, he doesn’t play a ton of minutes, which is not atypical for a big man. I think as his confidence builds and his game minutes build, he will become a more effective player. Watch out for him in a couple of years.

by TrueCubbie on Jan 17, 2009 2:50 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I added the chart

MD got an offensive rebound on over 38% of their misses.

Our turnovers weren’t quite horrible- 19%

by FSUncensored on Jan 17, 2009 2:52 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The rebounds stand out....no excuse for that with our size.

The others look pretty good. Nice to see that we got to the line often. I need to take a look at the numbers. I’ll post more about the game later. I’m bummed I missed it as it seemed like a hell of a game to watch down the stretch. Fortunately, we got the win. I’ll be interested to see the rankings after this. Our RPI should be about the same and I wouldn’t be surprised if we get more votes in the AP and Coaches polls.

by TrueCubbie on Jan 17, 2009 2:56 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I really think a lot of the rebounding was just unlucky

From what I saw it looked like we lost maybe half of those rebounds because we had two of our guys going against eachother, unlucky bounces, scrums where there were no foul calls.

But there were a lot of occassions where no one was in the area. I doubt you’ll want to rewatch the game but there were a lot of instances where we were boxing out well and jumping but just mistiming because our pressure defense was redirecting their shots to hit the rim at weird angles.

by Weasie on Jan 17, 2009 3:58 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

For the sake of our tournament chances

Let’s hope you are right. This has been a growing problem, however, and one we need to probably address.

by FSUncensored on Jan 17, 2009 4:03 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Do the Universities

get money for making the tourney? Or is it just help with recruiting? I mean, I suppose it’s an ‘honor’ to go and have a shot, but it sucks when you are hoping to squeak in and maybe win a game.

"I have come that you may have life, and life to the max"

by UNFNOLE on Jan 17, 2009 5:41 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I mean...

I suppose it also provides valuable experience….to me getting in and losing first or second round is just a disappointment.

"I have come that you may have life, and life to the max"

by UNFNOLE on Jan 17, 2009 5:42 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Unless i'm a dufus

the scoreboard is wrong. It says FSU outscored nc st by 2 in 1st half and they were outscored by 2 in the 2nd half. Meaning a tie game. But the final score says FSU wins by 3. So i’m confused lols

by Cee on Jan 17, 2009 3:34 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

makes sense then

I’d imagine FSU outscored nc st by 3 in OT to win it. I didn’t see the game or updates. Just looked at the scoreboard

by Cee on Jan 17, 2009 3:47 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Great win

but we were lucky imo. The last play of regulation was a joke, we call a time out and the play we draw up is a TD 30 footer. Also the zone defense baffled our guys in the 2nd half. Like I said though it was a good win, now lets beat Miami on Wed.

by fsunole23 on Jan 17, 2009 5:45 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

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