MBB Game 19: FSU at Miami, Wednesday at 730pm EST
by TrueCubbie on Jan 21, 2009 4:00 PM EST
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Florida St. Seminoles at Miami Hurricanes, Jan 21, 2009 7:30 PM EST
The Noles fell to 2-2 and 15-4 overall as the Hurricanes bested Florida State in Miami, 75-69.
Miami shot very well as we expected they would. Neither team turned the ball over very much. I expected FSU to have a few more steals, but this is a wash. FSU was excellent on the offensive glass and turned in an average performance on the defensive glass (an improvement over the past few games). The perhaps unexpected difference in this game was Miami's huge advantage in points via the charity stripe. FSU typically avoids fouling but committed some uncharecteristically dumb fouls tonight. In a game where the Noles needed to play very good, they were simply good. Good doesn't win road games against sure tournament teams in the ACC. The next game is at Virginia, on Saturday.
Noles: 2 ACC:1
The Noles came away with a huge win Saturday afternoon against a potent Maryland team. Despite relinquishing a big lead and going into overtime, the young Noles got the job done. As frustrating as this game was, this was a huge confidence builder for our team. Getting a young team to finish out an overtime game is an major challenge. Now we know, this team can get it done in pressure situations in close games.
Tonight, the Noles take to the road for the first of two games away from the Tucker Center to take on the Miami Hurricanes. If you thought the Maryland win meant a lot, this one has even more riding on it.
Take a look inside for a couple more thoughts on the Maryland win and tonight's game preview.
After battling through the first half for a 29-27 lead, the Noles decided to take over the game 3 minutes into the second. However, Maryland would not allow us to get away with one. Despite building an 11 point lead in the second half, the Noles allowed Maryland to charge back late in the second by dominating on the offensive boards and generating easy baskets off tips-ins.
Hamilton summarized the game very well when he said. ""This is life in the ACC. This is very important and a very big victory for us as we go on the road for our next two games."
Unfortunately, I did not get to see the game. So I will keep the discussion short and point out a couple of important stats. We did a number of things well in this game that helped us get the victory. We had one of our better shooting nights with a 47.5% eFG% and we had one of our better turnover rates, 19.1%. What is even more promising is that our TO% is declining as the year goes on.
However, despite having an unbelievable size advantage, we saw a decrease in our defensive rebounding percentage. This is what allowed Maryland to get back into the game...taking advantage of loose balls around the rim and getting easy tip ins.
Maryland was a great win. But, we can't get caught up looking ot the past and being proud of our accomplishments. Tonight we head into Miami in what should be an outstanding match up.
So what's the scoop on Miami....
| Date | Opponent | Result | Location | Record | Conf | ||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Sat Nov 15 | (NR) Florida Southern | W, 96-60 | 79 | Home | 1-0 | ||
| Fri Nov 21 | (78) Southern Mississippi | W, 70-60 | 65 | Neutral | 2-0 | ||
| Sun Nov 23 | (8) Connecticut | L, 76-63 | 70 | Neutral | 2-1 | ||
| Mon Nov 24 | (131) San Diego | W, 80-45 | 64 | Neutral | 3-1 | ||
| Sat Nov 29 | (220) Stetson | W, 79-65 | 70 | Home | 4-1 | ||
| Tue Dec 2 | (40) Ohio St. | L, 73-68 | 70 | Home | 4-2 | ||
| Sat Dec 6 | (19) Kentucky | W, 73-67 | 72 | Away | 5-2 | ||
| Fri Dec 12 | (254) Florida International | W, 76-50 | 64 | Home | 6-2 | ||
| Sun Dec 14 | (152) Robert Morris | W, 70-62 | 68 | Home | 7-2 | ||
| Sun Dec 21 | (22) Clemson | L, 91-72 | 72 | Home | 7-3 | 0-1 | |
| Sat Dec 27 | (123) St. John's | W, 70-56 | 68 | Away | 8-3 | ||
| Wed Dec 31 | (343) North Florida | W, 94-41 | 65 | Home | 9-3 | ||
| Sat Jan 3 | (342) North Carolina Central | W, 76-42 | 63 | Home | 10-3 | ||
| Mon Jan 5 | (239) Florida Atlantic | W, 85-69 | 64 | Home | 11-3 | ||
| Sat Jan 10 | (82) Boston College | W, 77-71 | 66 | Away | 12-3 | 1-1 | |
| Wed Jan 14 | (52) Maryland | W, 62-60 | 58 | Home | 13-3 | 2-1 | |
| Sat Jan 17 | (3) North Carolina | L, 82-65 | 73 | Away | 13-4 | 2-2 |
Miami has played an incredibly difficult OOC schedule and has already beaten the likes of Maryland and Boston College. They are 13-4 overall and 2-2 in ACC play, losing to Clemson and UNC. Their 2 ACC wins have been by a total of 8 points and their 2 ACC losses have been by a total of 36 points. They have had significant wins at Kentucky, at St. Johns, at BC and at home against Maryland.
So why has Miami gained so much attention? Last year they went 23-11 overall, finishing 8-8 in the ACC, losing to Texas in the second round of the NCAA tournament. This year they return 79% of possible returning minutes. In the preseason, they were predicted to go 10-6 in ACC play, that has dropped to 9-7. Miami returns 4 starters this year and have seen the addition of some outstanding Freshman, DeQuan Jones in particular.
| Category | Offense | Defense | D-I Avg |
|---|---|---|---|
| Adj. Efficiency: | 113.2 [26] | 92.5 [49] | 100.3 |
| Adj. Tempo: | 66.1 [211] | 67.3 | |
| Four Factors | |||
| Effective FG%: | 48.8 [162] | 43.6 [24] | 48.8 |
| Turnover %: | 19.2 [84] | 18.4 [293] | 20.9 |
| Off. Reb. %: | 42.3 [7] | 30.8 [91] | 33.3 |
| FTA/FGA: | 44.9 [26] | 28.4 [34] | 36.3 |
| Miscellaneous Components | |||
| 3P%: | 36.6 [74] | 29.5 [16] | 34.0 |
| 2P%: | 45.7 [244] | 43.3 [40] | 47.7 |
| FT%: | 67.2 [214] | 71.2 [268] | 68.6 |
| Block%: | 11.9 [310] | 11.8 [59] | 9.0 |
| Steal%: | 9.4 [135] | 8.8 [250] | 10.0 |
| Style Components | |||
| 3PA/FGA: | 33.4 [151] | 36.1 [273] | 33.1 |
| A/FGM: | 50.5 [253] | 57.5 [256] | 54.4 |
| Point Distribution (% of total points) | |||
| 3-Pointers: | 28.7 [140] | 29.7 [98] | 27.6 |
| 2-Pointers: | 47.6 [283] | 51.5 [195] | 52.1 |
| Free Throws: | 23.6 [45] | 18.8 [238] | 20.3 |
What does Maimi do well...they drain the 3 ball, shooting 36.6% from 3-point land as a team, and this is what likely contributes to their high efficiency in light of a low offensive pace. Miami is scoring 1.1 points per possession and only allowing 0.9 points per possession. They do not shoot well from the free throw line nor do they shot the short jump shot well. Look at that block percentage...they like to attack the rim early and often to set up the three. Drawing the defense in to allow their shooters to get good looks from the outside.
Take a look at how Miami has done through the season in Pomeroy's 4-Factors:
In general, they have maintained a relatively high eFG% and FT-rate and a low turnover percentage. They also kill you on the offensive boards, and I think this is where we could get into trouble.
Look a how we have done with the four factors throughout the season:
In general, one of the major differences in the graphs is the overall pattern. Notice that we have a lot of ups and downs, suggestive that we lack consistency. Whereas, the Miami graph is relatively flat,with the occasional blip up or down. They are an experienced team who comes to play every night. We are still a very young team who is currently beating teams with athleticisim. But, we have seen some improvement in the last few weeks.
Let's look at the match ups:
Point Guard:
Jack McClinton 6'1 185 Sr 17.2 ppg 2.9 apg 0.8 apg 1.5 spg 1.1 AT ration
Toney Douglas 6'2 205 Sr 18.9 ppg 2.6 apg 2.1 apg 3.4 spg 0.9 AT ration
This is going to be one hell of a match up. Elite senior guard vs. Elite Senior guard. McClinton is their top offensive player and is one of the top offensive players in the country, with a 122.1 ORtg. He has their highest percentage of possessions and take their highest possession of shots. He also shoots extremely well, hitting a 58.4% eFG%. Given the choice, he will shoot the three and generally makes them, shooting over 40% from behind the 3 point line. He can turn the ball over, losing the ball on about 19% of possessions. This will be a fun match up to watch. If we can hold McClinton to one of his poorer offensive performances, we have a good chance at winning this game. That is a huge if.
Shooting Guard:
Lance Hurdle 6'2 181 Sr. 7.1 ppg 1.5 rpg 2.6 apg 0.6 spg
Jordan Demercy 6'7 208 So 4.0 ppg 3.6 rpg 2.3 apg 1.1 spg
Like previous games, we may not see a lot of this match up. I do think that Douglas is going to be match up on McClinton. We will likely see more of Kitchen here or Dulkys who has been playing lights out defense recently and coming around on the offensive end. Hurlde is more of a "role player," having an ORtg of 101.4 and only getting the ball on a possible 18% of possessions. He is shooting a stellar 30-odd percent from the floor. He is also likely seeing more minutes as Eddie Rios, a 6'0 So guard, has been suspended indeffinitely. Look for this to be a regular rotation spot on both teams.
Small Forward
DeQuan Jones 6'6 190 Fr 3.9 ppg 2.4 rpg 0.4 spg 0.6 bpg
Chris Singleton 6'9 200 Fr 9.2 ppg 6.1 rpg 1.7 spg 1.3 bpg
Don't be fooled by the numbers. DeQuan Jones is an outstanding small forward and has seen limited playing time in the early season. Clearly, Singleton has the size advantage and really has the experience factor as well, playing a significant number of minutes in the early season. This could be a good matchup but look for Singleton to take this one.
Power Forward
Dwayne Collins 6'8 238 Jr 11.8 ppg 7.6 rpg 1.1 spg 0.4 bpg
Ryan Reid 6'8 237 Jr 6.8 ppg 4.0 rpg 0.8 spg 0.8 bpg
After Jack McClinton, Collins is moto on both ends of the floor, with an ORtg of 118.4. He is shooting an outstanding 61.2% eFG% and is taking 62% of his teams total shots while he is on the floor. A majority of his points are generated by cleaning up garbage around the rim, he is extremely effective on the offensive and defensive glass. Where he gets you...he is the number 1 player in the country at getting to the line, drawing 7.8 fouls per 40 minutes played. Unfortunately, for him, he only hits about 60% of his shots from the line. Still, he gets your big men into fould trouble. Echefu and Reid are good for a little over 4 fouls each for every 40 minutes played. We have to protect our big men and not get into foul trouble. Going to a zone might help.
Center
Cyrus McGowan 6'9 235 Jr. 6.9 ppg 6.1 rpg 0.8 bpg
Solomon Alavi 7'1 241 Fr 7.1 ppg 5.4 rpg 2.1 bpg
Cyrus is to Miami as Solomon is to FSU. McGowan is probably their most effective rebounder, particularly on the offensive glass, grabbing about 16% of his teams possible rebounds. Like Collins, McGowan can get you into foul trouble, averaging 5.0 fouls drawn per 40 minutes. However, he only plays about 20 minutes per game and only gets the ball on about 1 out of every 5 possessions...so it isn't something to get so worried about, but just to keep it in the back of your mind. Again, Alabi has a major height advantage here and should (key word should) have a good game. Let's see if we can get the Alabi-oop going in this game.
These may not be the initial line ups we see (at the time this was published the Noles website has Brian Asbury starting, not DeQuan Jones. Jones has started the last couple of games), nor will they be the consistent match ups. Miami likes to go small and run a three guard line up. Maryland did a similar thing, espescially given the fact they had no inside presence. Miami at least has McGowan and Collins. Miami has a few things that could certainly hurt us, the primary one being experience. They average 2.16 years of college ball, and that ranks 32nd in the country. They are used to playing in tight games. They are also a relatively tall team, averaging 77.1" in average-minutes weighted height. We've seen teams like this before, so what's the big deal TC you ask? They shoot the three very well. We don't defend the three as well as our 2-pointers. We clog the middle and likely is the reason of the discrepancy. Granted our 3 point FG defense is better than the national average. It's just an area a team can exploit us if they get us to collapse the middle, leaving shooters open. This is particularly true against a trigger happy Miami team who will wear you down until they get an open look. Then they have a couple of guys willing to hustle to get offensive rebounds, This is an effective combination.
They also get to the line often. Currently, they are attempting about 33% of their shots from three, a little above average but they are hitting on 36.6%, which is 2% points above national average. It doesn't seem like much but a three here or there difference could mean the difference of a couple of wins this year. They also get to the line a lot, averaging almost 1 free throw for every two shots they take. They are also scoring a high number of points at the line, despite a terrible team shooting percentage (67.2%) If they are getting to the line a lot, that means your guys are sitting on the bench in foul trouble. Essentially they take you out of your game and rhythm by forcing your guys to the bench. Plus, they have a relatively low turnover percentage.
For completeness sake here are our numbers:
| Category | Offense | Defense | D-I Avg |
|---|---|---|---|
| Adj. Efficiency: | 100.8 [169] | 88.1 [17] | 100.4 |
| Adj. Tempo: | 68.4 [124] | 67.2 | |
| Four Factors | |||
| Effective FG%: | 48.1 [194] | 43.3 [18] | 48.8 |
| Turnover %: | 23.3 [284] | 23.1 [58] | 20.9 |
| Off. Reb. %: | 36.5 [69] | 34.6 [231] | 33.3 |
| FTA/FGA: | 44.4 [30] | 34.2 [132] | 36.3 |
| Miscellaneous Components | |||
| 3P%: | 32.2 [230] | 32.2 [92] | 34.0 |
| 2P%: | 48.0 [169] | 40.6 [12] | 47.7 |
| FT%: | 70.8 [99] | 64.1 [31] | 68.6 |
| Block%: | 6.8 [52] | 17.5 [8] | 9.0 |
| Steal%: | 10.1 [186] | 13.2 [18] | 10.0 |
| Style Components | |||
| 3PA/FGA: | 32.1 [184] | 35.8 [267] | 33.1 |
| A/FGM: | 52.0 [222] | 45.2 [15] | 54.4 |
| Point Distribution (% of total points) | |||
| 3-Pointers: | 24.4 [247] | 31.8 [49] | 27.6 |
| 2-Pointers: | 51.0 [208] | 48.0 [298] | 52.1 |
| Free Throws: | 24.6 [20] | 20.2 [177] | 20.3 |
Our numbers have improved significantly on both sides of the court. The sore thumb is still the turnover percentage and the Defensive OReb%. Miami doesn't generate turnovers but they do well on the offensive boards. This could be a big problem for us. Our big guys must have a huge game.
Pomeroy has us losing a close game on the road. I think with the confidence we have built against NC St and Maryland, we can go out and surprise Miami on the road. This would be a huge win. If we lose, it isn't the end of the world, we would still be on our .500 pace. Unfortunately, the end of the ACC schedule is brutal for us, and we must therefore get ahead now.
The game will be televised on ACC Select. Here is a list of radio affiliates, check out their respective websites for possible links. I generally find the game on here or here.
Thoughts?
Go Noles!
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Our graph appears to have Epilepsy.
Miami scares me because of what they do well. We block shots very well, but Miami doesn’t attempt to shoot inside. We don’t rebound well at all (scarily bad, a Hamilton trait I thought we had ditched earlier in the season but is now just as troubling as our turnover problem).
I think Miami will get significantly more shots than we get because of their rebounding. If we are to win this game, we MUST keep the shot totals relatively close by rebounding well. In addition, we must shoot well and hope that Miami has a poor shooting night from the outside.
In the end though, I think Miami is even better than their ratings show. Remember that they lost McClintock early during the OHST loss.
I am beginning to really like this team, and even if we lose BOTH games this week, we would be on schedule for the tourney, but I’ll say Noles 57, Miami 68
In fact I think it's more important for Wake to take care of VTech tonight
than it is for us to win this.
I’ll happily take a VT loss and no injuries out of us tonight.
Very true about McClintock and the OSU game. You wonder if the committee will keep that in mind come March.
Unfortunately the rebounding situation only compounds the rebounding problems…you don’t get the defensive or offensive board and the ball is going the other way or a possession is continued. I would prefer a marginal improvement in both rather than a single category. Though, I think I would like to see the turnovers decrease as they are momentum killers and frustrate the hell out of young players and makes them play tentatively.
I think what scares me most is rebounding...
Sorry I missed Saturday’s game and wasn’t able to contribute, I was out of town in the middle of BFE West Virginia snowboarding with no access to the 21st century…
From what i was able to gather from Saturday’s posts we were awful on the glass at both ends of the court allowing a lot of second chance points. This is what you absolutely CAN NOT do against teams that shoot well from beyond the arc. Perfect example is a team like Duke. You can play 34 seconds of great D and force a poorly missed shot but if you aren’t able to come down with the rebound all of that wasted energy was in vain. More often than not with a team that shoots well from 3 those second chances result in second chance points. Those second chance threes will kill momentum and more importantly the morale of any team…..
Our poor rebounding is a direct result of poor technique and our tendency to rely on our athleticism. Sometimes that works but the percentages aren’t in your favor. It has very little to do with the types of shots, spin of the ball, angle or even the trajectory of the shot. If you consistently box out your man and take a good angle to the basket at the end of the day you will get the rebound more often than not.
I really wish this game was going to be televised nationally. I think it’s going to be a fun one to watch. I like our chances tonight but I would also be happy if we went 1-1 against Miami this season with each team taking a win at home.
As always, great work TC
by Renegade11 on Jan 21, 2009 5:24 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
As always...excellent points Renegade...
We are not a technically sound basketball team in general, especially when it comes down to the fundamentals of rebounding. I really think we try to out jump the other team. That is not the way to succeed on the boards. You have to generate space by boxing out. By driving the opposing player back, you create space for you to elevate forward to get a clean rebound. If you do that, you don’t need to be able to jump out of the gym. That space also allows you to react to the ball coming off the rim in any angle or speed. And I think you make an excellent point about the extended possession followed by a missed rebound killing a team’s energy and morale…It is also extremely tiring, especially the way we play defense.
I think 1-1 against Miami is a success this year. They are a good basketball team and know how to play in the “big game.” If they are not shooting the three well, I think we can take them.
I've never played much organized hoops, so
I hope this isn’t dumb. Defensive rebounding and boxing out:
Can it be learned at this age? if so, can it be learned in season? Is it as simple as just reinforcing it in practice? During timeouts? Are our guys too “streetball” to learn it at their age?
i would argue that it can be learned at any age...
its obviously something that isn’t god given but rather something that is instilled in players. from personal experiences it was always something learned through repetition. A shot goes up…find your man, get inside position, and box out (low and wide)…..find your man, get inside position, and box out…over and over again. at this point though you would expect a college scholarship athlete to have these “skills”..
it may just be ignorance. i’m sure a lot of them have the mentality that they don’t need to do it, that they are too good for it. but if you watch disciplined basketball teams you’ll see proper technique
No reaon you shouldn't be able to work on fundamental skills at every level. Just like our football team needs to practice tackling, footwork hand offs...
Rebounding can be taught and a lot of it comes down to effort and enthusiasm. You have to want to rebound…
I helped a buddy one time
he was on the scout team for the girls.
And yes, from what I saw in one practice, you can always improve, and learn.
Question
Am I the only one who thinks that if we win this game, we have a shot at finally being ranked? The UM name has cache, not the Duke kind by any stretch, but still, there are a lot of analysts who have been giving them some pub.
Maybe its just wishful thinking, but it would be nice to see our name on the polls.
If we win this game, we will be ranked for sure (unless we get blown out Saturday)
One could argue we deserve to be ranked now.
i actually do think we should be ranked now
I emailed the writer at CNNSI because he was giving love to a bunch of ACC teams, and we werent one. I was irked when he said UM should be ranked; which is why I posed the question.
if we win i think we will be ranked but...
i’m not as concerned about being ranked as i am about making significant strides towards a birth in the tournament. so i’lll take a close loss, on the road, against a very good veteran basketball team if we are able to play well and show improvement. i just want us to continue to progress as a team and be playing well at the end of the season when it really matters most.
We received 34 points in the AP Poll...#25 Illinois has 159. In the Coaches Poll we have 2 points, Mephis (#25) has 72
There is work to be done. But we’re close.
Illinois would take us to the woodshed, IMO of course.
Our goal is simple: Best in the land
Kill a fly with an axe -- Mickey Andrews
I think
Miami will beat us in a close one. I hope I am wrong, but I think they are a very solid team plus it is a road game for us.
Good think you didn't see one of the fanposts
In posting the female logo, the words “Hope this helps, sorry it’s small” were posted. Or something along those lines.
http://today.sportingnews.com/sportingnewstoday/20081229/?pg=2
by tdchrisdavis on Jan 21, 2009 7:39 PM EST up reply actions
Once on the Red Sox SBNation blog
Someone said “He has some holes in that thing he needs to work on.” I got no rec.
Well, I'll appreciate for you to keep my zingers outta your mouth!
Seminoles up 2-0, Alabi with a turnaround instead of the babyhook
Miami ties it at two with the offensive rebound bucket :(
Is Toney better than Big Al was?
Opinions, people.
Well, I'll appreciate for you to keep my zingers outta your mouth!
No way
Al was fantastic, probably the best player in the ACC that year. Toney is good, but he never takes over games and he is rarely the best player on the court.
http://today.sportingnews.com/sportingnewstoday/20081229/?pg=2
by tdchrisdavis on Jan 21, 2009 7:52 PM EST up reply actions
No way in hell
Imo Toney isn’t even close to Al. I love Toney but Al was great.
Lost is recorded for tonight, but I won’t watch until after game
by thirdcoastnole on Jan 21, 2009 7:52 PM EST up reply actions
I never got into that show
I thought the original premise was good, but how the heck has this lasted 5 seasons now?
http://today.sportingnews.com/sportingnewstoday/20081229/?pg=2
by tdchrisdavis on Jan 21, 2009 7:53 PM EST up reply actions
I am loving what I am seeing from the score thus far.
KEEP IT UP BOYS
Echefu poor job of not passing the ball out of the 2-3 hole
Then we foul Collins and send him to the line.
Poor last 2 minutes after a great start.
Every time I see Miami play basketball I think of
That game on raycom where the annoucers said “lethal weapon 3” every 5 seconds, referring to Miami’s good 3-point shooting. Every single 3 they made there was a reference, and if they went like 2 possessions without taking a 3 the commentators would say “Miami really needs to go back to the long shots, they can’t forget about lethal weapon 3”
My goodness it drove me insane. I think this was the game AJ had a tip-in at the buzzer to send it to overtime on an inbounds play, but we ended up losing.
http://today.sportingnews.com/sportingnewstoday/20081229/?pg=2
Dulkys is my sleeper
Is he a freshman? He can steal the ball really well.
Well, I'll appreciate for you to keep my zingers outta your mouth!
Oh, thanks.
I’m not on here that often.
Well, I'll appreciate for you to keep my zingers outta your mouth!
How did Miami get back so fast
Thought we were up by like 14 a second ago.
http://today.sportingnews.com/sportingnewstoday/20081229/?pg=2
FSU horrible last 4 minutes
Turnovers, poor shot selection, no effort on the defensive glass… 29-28 Noles
Miami leads.
McClintock 18 ft jumper… I’ll give him that all day.
Canes lead 30-29.
We need to play with intensity the WHOLE game.
That matches the temperature in Tally right now.
(/randomness)
Well, I'll appreciate for you to keep my zingers outta your mouth!
Awkward silence
A gay baby Dukee is born.
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what happened...
Im gonna have to watch this game.. Ill read contracts later.
ummm I WISH
my prof started with damages…we have the backwards book.
We just started with silence as acceptance, etc…craziness.
McClinton just hit a three
that I think bounced on every part of the rim… pfft
Later everyone
Gotta study for my SATs.
Well, I'll appreciate for you to keep my zingers outta your mouth!
Later everyone
Gotta study for my SATs.
Well, I'll appreciate for you to keep my zingers outta your mouth!
any of you all been to that arena...
its tiny. Ive gone to a few games. Not that ours is that much better, but I couldnt get over how small it was.
Wow, did anyone just see that??
singleton with a lebron james type block called goal tending…this refs are awful
43-37 as Miami is starting to pull away
Poor shot selection by FSU, and now we foul a 3point shooter, poor call
is their inside game good enough that we cant give more
attention to the perimeter D?
Hi all - Just got here
Looks like a good one
i cant wait to see the final stats to this game
more 3s then 2s…
HOW ABOUT SOME DEFENSE!! Jeez
Wow - basket-basket-basket-basket
Any defense going on?
DOH
couldve had a 3pt play…cmon, make the FTs
Singleton 0-4 from behind the arc
he might want to think about trying something else.
I would also love to complain about taking 6 FTs, but when you shoot 24 3s, its tough.
I think we need to stick with man-to-man
they were killing the zone.
i love to read that
but you know what, they serve no purpose if they lose to everyone else too.
Not good for us
Want our win to be more impressive
(Of course, it’s nice to see them lose ;) )
JUMP BALL!?!?
Ok, Im officially complaining about the officiating. I was ttrying my best not to, but this is ridiculous…
I want the same thing
and yet, I think I understand the hesitancy..
are you seeing what these officials are calling on us?
FSU couldn’t drive to the rim versus Maryland either and officials weren’t that bad that game
by thirdcoastnole on Jan 21, 2009 9:15 PM EST up reply actions
because LH is stupid enough to run a zone defense against UM after they have drained 3 after 3 after 3…
by thirdcoastnole on Jan 21, 2009 9:18 PM EST up reply actions
Miami, the excellent 3ball shooting team, made their 3's in the 2nd half.
It was their offensive boards and their getting to the line that did us in. We knew they would hit some 3’s.
So FSUN
new question…
thoughts on being ranked now; close enough loss?
I'd rather we weren't
I don’t want us to read press clippings about how good we are…
AD doesn't want to lose
Down 4 with 1:43 to go
stupid foul by Miami..
Im invested again Noles…cmon
Is any time running off the clock?
57 sec.s left
oh well...
valiant effort.
Worst part is we just started so well.
We only need to win a few away from Tally- no no big deal
Miami was shooting lights out for a stretch
I don't think anyone EXPECTED to win this. In fact
we played decently all things considered, and didn’t suffer any major injuries.
I’ll reluctantly take the loss.
I am starting to think Ham intentionally places all the offense on one player
even if our star player is out, it seems all the scoring is left up to his “replacement”
Man
Tough loss tonight, especially after the way we started. Mclinton played very good, and Miami just shot the lights out from 3.
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