Wednesday Open Recruiting Thread
by Bud Elliott on Jan 21, 2009 2:02 AM EST
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PrintTons of links inside, and we ask you: What will it take for you to deem this recruiting class a success?
Greg Reid Update:
Jimbo will be the guest speaker at the Lowndes football banquet this Monday!
Here's Greg's quote from the Atlanta Journal Constitution:
"I wish the Gators the best. It's just not the place for me." - Greg Reid
Here's Luke of http://www.SoFlaFootball.com/ on the most important High Schools for FSU to target
Talk about how FSU is viewed at the most important high schools in SoFLA in regards to recruiting.
Year in and year there are a hand full of high schools that will churn out talented prospects, and having a solid relationship inside the school can only be to your benefit as a program. St. Thomas Aquinas, Miami Northwestern, Pahokee, and Glades Central producing a star recruit are as certain as death and taxes. If I were a college coach, no matter the location of my university, I'm taking a plane following my introduction press conference to show my face and meet the coaches at these four schools.
At STA as long as you keep everything above the board, and keep Coach Smith informed on all doings with his prospects, your university should be fine. No school will truly get a choke hold on STA with all the other universities swarming the school, and Coach Smith and staff doing a great job promoting their players. FSU seems to have a good relationship with STA, and if they continue to work the program, they will continue snagging talented prospects.
The toughest nut to crack will be Miami Northwestern, a notable Hurricane strong hold. No reason to shy away, but certainly don't put all your eggs in the Bulls basket. The program turns out a lot of talented players, and they all cannot head to Coral Gables every year. If FSU could land a Bull who in turns goes on to have an All-American career in Tallahassee, do not underestimate the value of showing that prize off to future Dade County recruits from the heart of Miami.
FSU has always had a strong presence in the Muck. There are still plenty of kids out there growing up fans of the Seminoles and that's always is a huge plus. Some of the uncertainty with of when the new regime will take over the FSU program has caused a minor blip in Pahokee. Glades Central is perfectly content sending kids to Tallahassee, so no worries there. Now the Seminoles have the Florida Gators in there giving them a run, but it would not be a fun year recruiting if there wasn't a good ol' Seminole-Gator tug-of-war for some prospects in the Muck.
Now the wild card schools to immediately attend because their 2010 and 2011 classes are something FSU should want a piece of. When Booker T. Washington has one of the best running backs in the state, Eduardo Clements, and he happens to be a Seminole fan, FSU certainly has to move them onto the list of important schools in South Florida. It certainly doesn't hurt that Booker T. now features a pair of tall and talented wide receivers, Ted Meline and Quinton Dunbar, and a pass rushing fool in Lynden Trail. Trail also has an offer from the Gators and they are in the lead to gain his commitment, and wouldn't all Seminole fans love to steal one from the Gates?
The other school I would hit up is Dwyer High School. Their head coach, Jack Daniels, played at Florida and their star prospect Matt Elam is a Gator commit, but they have a lot of 2010 prospects and more importantly 2011 prospects. The most logical options at Dwyer for FSU are 2010 tight end Gerald Christian and 2011 quarterback Jacoby Brissett. Christian has an FSU offer already and names the Seminoles and Gators as his leaders. Brissett is a big 6-foot-5 agile gun slinger who could develop into one of the best in the nation. These are only two of about six uncommitted D1 prospects at Dwyer for the 2010 and 2011 class. Coach Daniels seems like an opened minded guy that would not "steer" his players away from your program, and that's all you can really ask as a recruiter.
A couple other schools that should be mentioned are also Miami Central and Hialeah. Both have a good number of talented prospects in the coming classes as well.
The board is pretty small this year as the Noles have most of the guys they want.
Michigan is still coming after Willie Haulstead Hard:
Titusville, Fla., four-star receiver Willie Haulstead (6-3, 210) took an official visit to Michigan in October. He has been committed to Florida State since last May, but he confirmed last week that the Wolverines are still very much in contention on signing day.
Luckily for FSU, Haustead Visits them this weekend.
OL Aubrey Phillips is supposed to visit this weekend, but I am not sure whether that will happen.
Demonte McAllister, Jujuan Harely, and Chris Thompson, all Nole Commits will visit this weekend.
via media.tbo.com
Demonte McAllister is a complete freak of an athlete. Pete Carroll called him the Best 3-technique defensive tackle prospect. Ever. His mom is anxious to see FSU. DeMonte is really excited about the defensive front the Noles are building
"Our inside game is going to be ridiculous," he said. "We're impregnable. Can't touch us, man."
FSU Leads for Orson Charles thanks to Coach James Coley:
With such impressive suitors, one seems to be standing above the others in the pursuit of the talented tight end.
"Florida State and Coach Coley," Charles said.
James Coley, who is widely regarded as one of the Seminole's top recruiters, also is the tight ends coach for Florida State. With him on the job for Florida State, the Seminoles will remain on Charles' mind until the very end.
The Seminoles lack what Charles has, and that is game-breaking ability at the tight end position. Ever since Brandon Warren divorced Florida State, and transferred to Tennessee to be close to his ill mother, the Seminole's have not seen much production from that position, besides an occasional reception from Junior, Caz Piurowski, who is known more for his blocking than his receiving skills.
Charles is undoubtedly the Seminole coaching staff's main objective throughout the rest of this process.
More to come throughout the day, and we have basketball tonight.
Coaches Recruiting Performances: Per Rivals
Jimbo Fisher
| Name | Pos | Stars | Ht | Wt | Hometown |
| Willie Downs | ATH |  |
6-2 | 192 | Tallahassee, FL |
| Jajuan Harley | DB | |
6-2 | 190 | Tallahassee, FL |
| Brandon Jenkins | DE | |
6-2 | 218 | Tallahassee, FL |
| Chris Thompson | RB | |
5-8 | 173 | Greenville, FL |
Jimbo also makes visits to prospects in every region. He has an excellent recruiting reputation and gets credit for these four studs. As the HCIW, he's also in on important defensive players.
James Coley
| Name | Pos | Stars | Ht | Wt | Hometown |
| Dustin Hopkins | K | |
6-2 | 174 | Houston, TX |
| Henry Orelus | OL | |
6-2 | 292 | Belle Glade, FL |
| Lonnie Pryor | RB | |
6-1 | 195 | Okeechobee , FL |
| Xavier Rhodes | WR | |
6-2 | 187 | Miami, FL |
| Rodney Smith | WR | |
6-6 | 202 | Miami, FL |
| Bryan Stork | TE | |
6-4 | 240 | Vero Beach, FL |
Since Amato is a complete failure, Coley has to take South Florida all by himself and he has done an excellent job. He's also lead on Orson Charles.
Lawrence Dawsey
| Name | Pos | Stars | Ht | Wt | Hometown |
| Willie Downs | WR | |
6-2 | 192 | Tallahassee, FL |
| Demonte McAllister | DT | |
6-3 | 263 | Tampa, FL |
Dawsey is mainly charged with getting back in to the Bay area after FSU neglected one of the largest areas in the state for 3-4 years.
Jody Allen
| Name | Pos | Stars | Ht | Wt | Hometown |
| Justin Bright | DB | |
6-0 | 184 | Duncan, SC |
| Jacobbi McDaniel | DT | |
6-0 | 267 | Greenville, FL |
| Chris Thompson | RB | |
5-8 | 173 | Greenville, FL |
Allen is a decent recruiter and I have no criticisms of him in this regard.
Odell Haggins
| Name | Pos | Stars | Ht | Wt | Hometown |
| Jacobbi McDaniel | DT | |
6-0 | 267 | Greenville, FL |
Odell had been a great recruiter for many years until he fell off. Let's hope he is back on track now.
Rick Trickett
| Name | Pos | Stars | Ht | Wt | Hometown |
| John Prior | OL | |
6-6 | 283 | Portsmouth, OH |
Trickett is known as an above average, but not great recruiter. He recruits a specific type of kid.
Mickey Andrews
| Name | Pos | Stars | Ht | Wt | Hometown |
| Justin Bright | DB | |
6-0 | 184 | Duncan, SC |
I love Mickey. He's always been "I'm awesome, come play for me", and hasn't been much on the recruiting trail.
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Love the quote from Greg Reid!
Come on home buddy.
'Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football.' John Heisman
Sounds like Urban's High Pressure Sales...
Backfired
"Coach Meyer was pretty upset," Reid said. "He asked ‘Where were all these other schools before the Under Armour game? Did they even know who Greg Reid was as a sophomore and junior like we [Florida] did?’ [Meyer] spoke in a very powerful [tone]."
It will be great to see Urban Meyer one day face a worthy adversary at FSU.
Talk about a team having a recruiting advantage during one’s tenure. A guy like him can be whipped long-term. (Not a new perspective.)
Agreed
I am seeing light at the end of the tunnel on this one. Negative recruiting tactics just don’t work out for you long term. In this case, especially if Reid moves on to be successful at FSU.
High pressure recruiting like that more often than not, will blow up in your face at one point.
If FSU can be open and honest with recruits and encourage them to do what is best for them, we will win in the long run.
'Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football.' John Heisman
Urban is doing his best Anakin Skywalker impression from Revenge of the Sith
Darth Meyer: “If you’re not with me, you’re my enemy!”
Obi-Greg Reid: “Only a UF coach deals in absolutes…”
Urban really shot himself in the foot on this one…
'Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football.' John Heisman
To be fair
It doesn’t say that Reid eliminated Florida. I think he’s leaning to us or UGA, but you never know with these guys.
by Dent Street Nole on Jan 21, 2009 9:02 AM EST reply actions
AJC had it I believe,
just don’t have the link
by Bud Elliott on Jan 21, 2009 10:03 AM EST up reply actions
Here is the link...
He doesn’t eliminate the gates necessarily, but he certainly didn’t praise them.
Anyone else ever get the feeling that every recruit rates their visit a 10? I guess even if it he didn’t say, “I will not attend UF,” he indirectly said it by discussing Coach Urban’s strong words and by definitely putting FSU over UF. I’m not encouraged that a kid will commit when he rates the visit a 10; alternatively, I would be discouraged if he discussed negatives from the trip.
This should come down to UGA vs FSU. Gerald Demps should help the cause for FSU, but Branden Smith is pushing for Reid to join him in the UGA backfield.
He did eliminate them at another source I'm not going to link,
because they’ve been caught blatantly lying before.
by Bud Elliott on Jan 21, 2009 11:10 AM EST up reply actions
Starting to sound like some people's "best case scenario"
A few people on here have listed both and Reid and Charles on the list of best case scenario of recruits to land. This is promising. Now if only we stay on these guys til the end and sign them.
For this class to be considered a success from me
At least, the following things have to happen:
- Keep Willie Haulstead away from Michigan
- Willie Downs qualifies
- We get one of Starling or Reid or Byrd (preferably Reid and we can move Downs to S)
Icings on the cake:
-Charles (only reason I say icing is I dont think we need him) The H-back could be a great addition and he would be tremendous but I dont see him as a need. Dont get me wrong I want him in our class as much as all of you.
-Pierre-Paul: Would be a nice complimetn that could contribute early.
- Brown: Dont see this one happening but in the recruiting world you never know.
Notes: I dont think is the end of the world if we whiff on Reid, Starling and Byrd (although I dont see that happening) We can always move Harley to corner and have willie play safety.
Charles is headed to Athens this weekend...
Former Nole Recruiting Coordinator, John Lilly, is recruiting him:
"We talked about my future, some deep stuff," Charles said. "One of the biggest things he emphasized was separating truth from fiction in recruiting. He just gave me some suggestions for things to look at when making a college decision, and I really can’t go anymore into it than that."
Like how many scholarships will be around in Tallahassee in the next few years?
The Number of Scholarships
wouldn’t matter to him because he will be guaranteed one anyways.
Lilly will try to slam us, because UGA doesn't have a whole lot to offer coming off one of the most
disappointing seasons in recent college football history.
by Bud Elliott on Jan 21, 2009 10:47 AM EST up reply actions
Successful Class to me
- Keep Willie Haulstead away from Michigan
- Willie Downs qualifies
- We get one of Starling or Reid or Byrd (preferably Reid and we can move Downs to S)
I agree with all of these but I would put Charles in this group because I think our offense will need to be a bit more reliable, especially with the losses on defense this year.
-Get somebody down to see Thomas and limit any damage caused by Coach Man-boobs
-Pierre-Paul would be an immediate impact and depth
Reid may just be the guy to put this class over that threshold of success to me, although I am not going to be totally shocked if we aren’t able to land him. Now if we get shut out of Reid, Charles, Starling, and not even look at Thomas then it would be hard to look at this class as successful.
What's the general concensus on how many schollies we have left?
Do you think we try to greyshirt Orelus or Prior?
Re: For this class to be considered a success from me
- Willie Haulstead will be a Nole.
- Willie Downs committed early so FSU could lay out a gameplan to get him qualified. If he doesn’t accomplish that, it’s no knock on the FSU coaches or this recruiting class. They have done all they can.
- If I had to say right now I think Reid is a better shot then Starling. Starling is playing the same old Lincoln HS game as they always do. In years past FSU would offer scholarships or walk-on invites to Lincoln players just to get the guy they wanted and they have recently stopped that, thus the reason we have missed out on some of Lincoln’s top players. Lincoln HS coaches are too involved in their recruiting and have a much bigger sway/pull then they should.
Icings on the cake:
-Charles would be a great land and I think we currently lead. He won’t announce until after signing day though. He has his USCal visit schedule on or around 2/13.
-Pierre-Paul: Wants to visit FSU and it may still happen, but as of now there is no date scheduled.
- Brown: If we can get him on campus I think he may have a change of heart. Sure, Dad and stepmother are Gator fans living in Orlando but Mom is close by to FSU and Girlfriend will be a Nole.
- Byrd is done. He won’t be a Nole if he holds true to his comment the other day. I can’t confirmed this to be 100% true, but someone that is usually right more then they are wrong when it comes to recruiting told me that we did offer Byrd but as a grayshirt only due to limiations.
"Due to limitations"
Limitations as in some of our coaches’ complete inability to honestly recruit a true CB.
I think we would be fine to sign up to 4 more. Best case scenario would be something like Charles, Reid, plus 2 more. Doing what we did to Byrd was foolish. We are now depending on a commitment from someone who may not even have us in the lead in Greg Reid.
This class will hopefully finish out with Charles, Paul, Thomas, and Reid (if we do not get Greg Reid I would not consider this class a success).
It amazes me
that so many determine a successful class by one player. This class if very good. If it where not for classroom issues with Downs and an altercation with his GA HS coach for Mizell, both would be five stars. We got the best 3 technique DT that Pete Carrol has ever seen. We are bring in playmakers at WR. We got the best kicker in the country, rated #1 buy ALL scouting sites. We got the number 2 all-purpose back (#1 best home run threat). We have the top two DT’s (even through McAllister is listed at a DE). The list goes on and on. One player will not make or break this class.
One position, however, will.
If we fail to sign a single quality corner in this class then it will be a failure. Stars and rankings (I actually do like them more than most) are great but it is also important to fill your needs.
CB is a need. We seem to have restricted ourselves to Greg Reid at CB. If we do not sign Greg Reid then we do not fill our needs. If we do not fill our needs I do not think the class can be considered an out-and-out success.
Of course I’m happy with the other players we have. Ecstatic. But I am not happy with what we have done to address our DB issue.
Less amazed now?
Agree with Matt on this one
You can’t call it a success if you dont fill a huge need.
I dont think one player should make or break a class but are coaches made it that way by going after Reid and ignoring Byrd in the process. So if Reid doesnt sign with us and then we try to go after Byrd and cant get him, this class can’t be considered a success, I am sorry that amazes you. Also burning bridges at Pahokee is not smart considering all the talent there in 2010, plus do we really need another pissed off Muck player playing their best against us??
by ChileanNole on Jan 21, 2009 10:30 AM EST up reply actions
Here's how we get around messing up at Pahokee...
(I also think it’s the only thing we can do if we want to still get Thomas and have Jarvis Byrd pick up the phone.)
Throw Chuck Amato under the bus and step on the gas.
“Hey, ______. It’s Coach Coley with Florida State. Amato said what? He told you what? Oh man we are so sorry about that. See we never told him to do any of that. He kept telling us things were going great with you. We didn’t know. Well, we’ve taken steps to make sure he can’t do that anymore. How about you come up here for a visit and we’ll have a real conversation?”
Not going to happen
As long as Bobby Bowden is connected to the program.
'Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football.' John Heisman
Yeah wouldnt you love that to happen
But he is “still recruiting” I wonder what Chukc really does on these recruiting trips to S.Fla. Probably comes to Boca Raton and chills with his other 62 yr old Italian New Yorkers at the pizza parlors and then forgets about the fact that he had to call Phillip Thomas and visit Byrd.
End of rant
by ChileanNole on Jan 21, 2009 10:44 AM EST up reply actions
I know
that CB is a need. But it will not determine a successful class, anyone who will dump on this class for not signing a CB should think otherwise.
Flashback to 2005...
“I know OL is a need and we only signed Matt Hardrick. But we have the greatest DT ever, Callahan Bright. The top WR and RB in the state of Florida in Rouse and Smith. The list goes on and on. Anybody that thinks this isn’t a good class because we only signed 1 OL should think otherwise.”
My point is not so much to belittle the other prospects, again I think we have some great players coming in. But missing at a position of need in 2005 put us in a hole we’re only now beginning to crawl out of on the OL.
umm... I guess I didn't finish that statement.
Missing on CB would put us in dire straits for a few years.
agreed seminole
We got a lot of great players it seems. Especially on the D Line. Our DL hasn’t been impressive this last year aside from the two ends. Football is one on the line of scrimmage. Getting studs there is very very helpful. Even if we don’t sign another i will still love the class. Seems like getting reid/charles could make this class great instead of good. I’m appreciative of this class
i think we have a good class but
what is the point ofhaving all the best players if you dont have good one in the other pos. Do we need CB yes. can we lose games because we dont have good CB yes. If we can pull in some CB to help out in the 2ndary then we could have a great class. but if we dont get any CB then our good class still wont win us game.
Yeah
it does amaze me. I have a lot of strong ties to recruiting and I can promise you this will not be a unsuccessful class without Reid.
I never said this class was unsuccessful
But it cannot be called a success if you dont fill one of your biggest needs. Not signing Reid is not the end of the world, but also missing on Byrd and Starling would be a huge loss.Like I entioned on my fisrt post, even that is not the worst because we can move Harley to CB and Downs to S.
I am excited about this class. I can go on and on about McDaniel, McAlllister, Downs, Thompson, Pryor. Mizzel, etc. but we have a huge need at CB and S and not addressing them properly would be a big problem.
by ChileanNole on Jan 21, 2009 10:42 AM EST up reply actions
Don't forget about Demps
He is not super highly rated, but that doesn’t equate to being a bad player.
"I have come that you may have life, and life to the max"
I am actually proud of the work our staff has done getting safeties and DTs in here.
But corner has been an epic fail.
There is no
point to continue that back and forth game of DB talk. While I would like to land Reid, not doing so will not make or break this class. FSU has big needs for another DT and DE, but so many are focusing on the secondary. Do some of you realize we have less depth next season at DT and DE, yet everyone is so focused on CB.
After 09 we have three DT’s on the roster (McCary, McAllister, and McDainel)
We will have 9 DB’s on roster (Jenije, Allen, Alexander, Parks, Moody, Imeokparia, Demps, Harley, Bright, Possibly Downs if moved to Safety)
by Seminole64 on Jan 21, 2009 11:04 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
So that whole thing about him quitting
was him being a jackass? So not only is he a terrible Defensive Tackle, he likes to toy with my emotions.
"I have come that you may have life, and life to the max"
Interested to see how he
reacts if he gets put behind McAllister.
I wouldn’t mind a McAllister and Mincey (pending he improves)
"I have come that you may have life, and life to the max"
I think McDaniel is the immediate threat, and besides
he plays the Nose, just like McCray does, so he’d be behind McCray
by Bud Elliott on Jan 21, 2009 11:21 AM EST up reply actions
And Stewart
If we move Downs to Safety then I am not worried about that position.
I would argue that Reid can see immediate PT.
by ChileanNole on Jan 21, 2009 11:09 AM EST up reply actions
You think Demps has a shot at being a Nickel Back?
immediatly? or will he redshirt?
"I have come that you may have life, and life to the max"
I'm talking about 2010
not 2009. Tacker and Mincey will be gone in 2010.
We expect to get McCloud in 2010
In 2010, we will have:
NG McCray, JR
DT McDaniel
The McAllister and McCloud. I think we will go out and get TWO Juco DTs in 2010 (McCloud and _?)
by Bud Elliott on Jan 21, 2009 11:23 AM EST up reply actions
Oh my bad
Well thats why DT was such a big need this year and with McAllister and McDaniel we filled the need. If we could add Paul or one other DE it would be even better. Plus in 2010 we look good for another potential 5 star DT in Brandon Willis.
Like you said there is no point in continuing to argue, some of us feel that this class cannot be considred a success without a true DB in it and others rather look at the fact that we did fill a bunch of needs.
How about somewhere in the middle where we are very excited about our class but would like a true CB to take it over the top.
by ChileanNole on Jan 21, 2009 11:24 AM EST up reply actions
Thats what I have always seen him listed as
Correct me if I’m wrong
by ChileanNole on Jan 21, 2009 11:30 AM EST up reply actions
I think he is a DE
http://today.sportingnews.com/sportingnewstoday/20081229/?pg=2
by tdchrisdavis on Jan 21, 2009 5:54 PM EST up reply actions
I'm excited about the class
especially Mizell – he will be in beast mode the moment he steps on the field. He has the on the field attitude of a Ray Lewis.
I would love to land Reed or another True corner, my auguring in all of this was if we don’t I won’t consider it not to be a successful class, like some have said – which is really judging the class based on one player. I will leave it alone though, I’m obviously outnumbered in this argument.
I think we get both Miller and Willis. I think we land RB Latomore (sp?) too if he can ever make it to compus. His mom seems to be one of those that doesn’t want to let go and wants him to stay close to home, but a lot can change by 2010 signing day.
Tempering enthusiasm
I think we get Willis. We will not get Miller and Clemson is taking back Byrnes. The major Byrnes-Clemson guy is BACK as Byrnes’ athletic director and this FSU pipeline is more of a pipe dream.
We have absolutely no shot at Lattimore. He has never mentioned us as a serious contender, unfortunately.
I love Mizell and he can be really special.
by Bud Elliott on Jan 21, 2009 12:43 PM EST up reply actions
I agree with
Lattmore because of his mother. As for Miller. FSU is high on his list right now (Top 2). He and Willis are very good friends and have taken every trip together so far. I believe both will be at the Seminole Showtime camp as well. The fact the we get Wills, plus we have Dawkins and Bright already – we have a pretty good pipeline, not one I would just write off yet. IF, and that is a big IF, we can get Lattmore at the showtime camp, FSU will be in his final three.
I sure hope you are right. I just think we are clearly trying to retake a chunk of Miami and are not as focused on a Byrnes PIPELINE. I think we
will pull Willis and have a SHOT at Miller. After 2010, we will maybe pull a Byrnes kid every few years.
Kevin Steele is doing Byrnes.
My Opinion
Jimbo Recruiting > Kevin Steele
If I had a chose I would rather have South Florida anyways.
On a neutral site, yes, but
Clemson has more Byrnes players than us (even counting Bright)
The guy who built Byrnes HS is BACK as their athletic director and offensive coordinator. He is a huge Clemson supporter.
This is no neutral site.
Willis is one of those special cases IMO.
Our goal is simple: Best in the land
Kill a fly with an axe -- Mickey Andrews
South florida >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Byrnes
Our goal is simple: Best in the land
Kill a fly with an axe -- Mickey Andrews
So you're saying that the 20+ schools in Dade produce more
Talent than one in SC?
http://today.sportingnews.com/sportingnewstoday/20081229/?pg=2
by tdchrisdavis on Jan 21, 2009 5:58 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I think so. And we could cover that area for about the same expenditure in resources as it would take in time+money+committment
For that one school in south carolina.
Why not both?
http://today.sportingnews.com/sportingnewstoday/20081229/?pg=2
by tdchrisdavis on Jan 21, 2009 7:14 PM EST up reply actions
For the same reason capitalism is the most preferred economic theory: scarcity of resources
Especially with college athletics, we don’t have the time and the monetary and human resources to devote enough time to both to fully appreciate what they could bare.
My opinion on Byrnes.
Give Willis full court press RIGHT NOW. Recruit Miller and Lattimore.
2010 will be the most loaded SoFla has EVER been.
Our goal is simple: Best in the land
Kill a fly with an axe -- Mickey Andrews
Matt raises a good point in that only
Jenijie and Allan are true corners, Ed I and Moody pretty much won’t ever play, and we’ve seen nothing of the new guys, obviously.
by Bud Elliott on Jan 21, 2009 11:27 AM EST up reply actions
when we were talking about cleaning up because
we need to make room for some scholarships for others wont that hurt us at the DB and LB pos. If we clean house.
No, because we can bring in a better player and offer him playing time.
by Bud Elliott on Jan 21, 2009 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
thats what they should start doing
but I guess you dont want to tell players they are out and then not get the recruits. That would kinda suck.
I'm specifically talking about failure at CB.
So you can take out Imeokparia, Bright, Parks, and Downs at least. Moody is probably going to OLB. Harley should be a safety. Demps should be a safety. So now you have Jenije, Allen, and Alexander plus NO commitments this year.
Our track record of late of taking safeties and trying to make them corners hasn’t been the best. As such, I will not be convinced that Demps, Harley, or Rhodes will be effective there until I see it.
I agree, it was vital that we got some D-Linemen this year. I think it was just as vital that we signed Safeties this year. I also think it was vital that we sign some corners this year. We have not done that. We are going to take more chances with S hybrids that spend 3 seasons at the wrong position.
You make an incredible point about our 2010 depth at DT. How did we get in this situation?
2006 signees: Paul Griffin ( from JUCO) and Ryan McMahon (moved to OL)
2007 signees: None
2008 signees: Anthony McCloud (to JUCO), Moses McCray, Anthony Hill (to USF)
2009 signees: Jacobbi McDaniel, Demonte McAllister
At corner?
2006 signees: Ochuko Jenije (used redshirt), Patrick Robinson (leaves in 09)
2007 signees: Dionte Allen, Bernard Brinson (to JUCO)
2008 signees: AJ Alexander, Terrance Parks
2009 signees: Who knows? Maybe Rhodes, Maybe Harley, Maybe Demps
I’ll simply leave it at “Yes, MattDNole thinks we have a good class. We have addressed our issues at most places. However, we have left glaring weaknesses at other positions. And the WAY in which we have failed to meet those needs (jerking recruits around, etc) has left such a bad taste in my mouth that I do not think it is ‘successful’.”
Geez, where to get this comment in!
I figured I’d reply to the post that someone rec’d, declaring the back-and-forth DB talk should cease, while continuing to debate it. Not to mention the post insults the others’ intelligence. I think everyone at Tomahawk Nation knows very well the current and future depth charts of our entire roster.
The question posed was entirely subjective: What do these folks think will constitute a successful class? I agree with anyone who states that Reid is a must-get at this point. (And I want Charles. And to keep all our current commits first and foremost. Then I’m happy.) If you don’t think the subjective measure of a “successful” class can hinge on the signature of one or two student-athletes, then don’t be the first to complain during the football seasons of 2009, 2010, 2011, and 2012 respectively. The bar is very, very high right now. A good-but-not-great / solid / whatever-you-wanna-call-it recruiting class with at least another year of the buffoonery of coaching we’re patenting in Tallahassee these days will churn out 9-4 seasons until people get sick of the mediocrity probably forever. Hell, the only way I see this being anything but an unsuccessful recruiting class is to land every half-interested 10%-looking 5-star that’s still out there. But I’ll take Reid and call it a day. That is not too much to ask of this coaching staff.
I still think
Parks is a CB and not a safety.
We moved him to safety, he's been training at safety, and he hasn't had the feet to play corner since busting his knee
which is one of the primary reasons we got him.
I wish it were different.
by Bud Elliott on Jan 21, 2009 12:43 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah I remember
us moving him to safety but I was under the impression that was due to injuries and not having the enough bodies there.
They still list him on the safety depth chart
I REALLY liked him at corner, but there are some coaches who don’t think he can play it.
by Bud Elliott on Jan 21, 2009 12:49 PM EST up reply actions
I'm sure Moody will be
a safety. With Mizell, Williams, Bradham, and Carr – Moody will be lucky to even crack the 2 deep at LB.
Some would argue Moody will be lucky to crack the 2 deep anywhere.
In a flip of our recent argument, I think we have more depth concerns at LB for the future than we do at S.
In 2010 we have Smith, Mr. Mister, Nigel 1, Nigel 2, Vince, CJ, Harris, and Gresham. I personally don’t think much of Harris and who knows what will happen with Aaron’s knee. That’s barely a 2-deep there as well. I think we need Moody to move to OLB.
I don't think Moody will be anything.
Continuing grades risk who has impressed nobody to date. If he doesn’t make serious strides, he’s a cut candidate in 2011
by Bud Elliott on Jan 21, 2009 12:44 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, just haven't been impressed by what I've heard
I hope he can turn it on and be a good safety for us.
by Bud Elliott on Jan 21, 2009 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
He had
Shoulder surgery so I’m not sure how impressive you can expect him to be?
Let's give him time to develop. He is a freshman.
I am saying that he is definitely limited as a strong safety and his cover skills are very questionable at best.
Man some
of you are quick to brush off the prior recruiting class after one season. FSUncensored could be right, but let him play a full year healthy before determining. So who will the lucky recruit be this year that we brush off during next years recruiting?
lol
I thought you were saying hes not good. I have no clue about him. I just know there are a few we need toget rid of.
I never
said he wasn’t good or needed to be cut. I just said he needs to stay at safety, which is the position he is officially list at.
Its not you I didnt get any sleep last night.
Still trying to recover from 24hr duty and I see things that are not there. Some think Im crazy others understand its an Army thing. I know nothing about Moody I thought we were talking about Magmun
Mangum
doesn’t need to be cut either, you was one of, if not the, best CB this season. He only got because long once against NCST. LOL
Does Reid have issues...
qualifying? I have seen it on few sites and blogs that he is walking a thin line. Anybody know for sure?
Yeah
He does. Now some say he is now on track. I do know that he has a personal teacher that is helping him get qualified. I haven’t heard much lately about him not making it, so that’s a positive.
Great to hear
That Reid said he felt like home here. Also that he pretty much eliminated the Gators. If we get him and Charles I will be very happy.
not to do with recruiting but what if
What if Notre Dame sucks next year and charlie weis is gone after next season. wouldnt that be nice to see Meyer gone from UF and go there. I saw this on some site for 2009 Predictions. I dont think he will leave because hes not in this for the game hes in it for the money. He is the type to run up the score in the 4th Qrd, He wants more money and UF will do anything to keep him there. but wouldnt that be nice. UF would drop off. At least I would hope they would.
I would rather us to be able
to beat the best instead of just avoiding them.
"I have come that you may have life, and life to the max"
Phillip Thomas
Did anyone see that Chuck stopped by to see Thomas and is trying to get him to visit…on http://www.SoFlaFootball.com/ Here is the link http://www.soflafootball.com/fan-forum/topic.php?id=329
That'd be great news if it were almost any other coach stopping by.
Ask Jarvis Byrd what Amato’s words will get you.
Stop drinking the Kool Aid
Kidding but I love your optimism. Any reason on Brown?
Our goal is simple: Best in the land
Kill a fly with an axe -- Mickey Andrews
Wow
Will get?
That’d be nice. Still worried, as is Florida Football Now, with Greg Reid’s toughness, size, and ability to dictate the WR he’s covering. For that reason, and also his gifts (quickness, plays on the ball, acceleration) he’d be much more suited for a zone-based scheme. Unfortunately, we don’t run that here.
It’s no coincidence that Tony Parker made that incredible play on the ball in his first pick against Miami in a zone coverage. He has the same size-derived problems and concerns that Reid will have. Just because he had a good all-star game and Rivals South East scouting has become a joke in the industry does not mean he’s an automatic slam dunk.
We all praise Trickett when he does his own scouting, not relying on the star rankings. Yet, for some reason, the suspicion of the so called “rivals experts” ends there. Odd. Granted, OL recruiting is the most difficult task one who hasn’t played the game can undertake, as most of the “Tom Lemming’s” of the world, but CB recruiting and generally extrapolating potential when these kids usually dominate their whole careers is nothing to scoff at.
People who spend their careers covering exclusively Byrd and don’t dilute their concentration over a whole region or even the country see Byrd as an incredible prospect and a bad miss on our part, especially given how we missed on him.
I’m rooting for Reid, but it’s a confusing move on our staff’s part. Pretty much goes against all that Jimbo and the “new-thought” has suggested regarding our DB recruiting.
Here’s hoping he can prove me wrong and all his other doubters and get bigger and still retain the things that make him a good prospect: quickness, agility, plays on the ball.
Meant "People who spend their careers covering exclusively FLORIDA and don't...."
We REALLY need an edit button.
I disagree on Byrd re: how bad a miss
People say he is a major step below Alphonso Smith and Jenkins.
Now, how we missed him, yes.
Success for me...
If we get Reid and hang onto Downs, that would be a success.
If we don’t get Reid but get Charles, Thomas and Byrd, that would be a moderate success.
http://today.sportingnews.com/sportingnewstoday/20081229/?pg=2
err, I think you mean IF Downs qualifies.
Our goal is simple: Best in the land
Kill a fly with an axe -- Mickey Andrews
That's what I meant
I don’t think he’s going elsewhere, if that is what it sounded like.
http://today.sportingnews.com/sportingnewstoday/20081229/?pg=2
by tdchrisdavis on Jan 21, 2009 7:16 PM EST up reply actions
Class will be a failure if we whiff on Byrd + Reid, Starling,
Success for me would be Reid, Thomas, Byrd.
Our goal is simple: Best in the land
Kill a fly with an axe -- Mickey Andrews
Byrd was not fast enough
Guy was clocked at 4.6, and the only time I saw him play, at the State Championship, he got burned by a future Gator, we already have seen enough of that, and his tackling skills make Deion Sanders look like Ray Lewis. 4.4 or better for corners. 4.5 or better for safetys. That should be set as rules while recruiting DBs. I know a lot of you will jump on me, I just have never been on the Byrd train.
Janoris Jenkins ran a 4.68
As someone who covers the Muck told me, those kids from Pahokee and Glades don’t usually run very good 40 times because of apathy and training techniques. First, they don’t care about the times. Thus, they don’t practice running it and don’t really improve their times from the beginning of HS to the end. Second, their muscle and body development is developed and refined by the extracurricular activities in which they partake outside of practice: the notable “running to catch rabbits in the muck”. This action develops a skillset very conducive to playing corner: later and angular agility, change of direction, initial and belated burst. Except the fly route, corners never run in straight lines for 40 yards: why would this be a measure of ability? (even the fly he must backpeddle initially and completely flip his hips)
There are exceptions
However, the lack of foot speed is not Byrds only deficiency. We will just have to wait and see in a few years when we face Byrd at NC State.
Everything is fair except....
Tackling skills make Deion Sanders look like Ray Lewis???? That is his best attribute and what people like about him the most. A CB that is not afraid to come up, put his nose in the mix and pop someone.
You can say he got burned by a future Gator (notice how he’s standing straight up on that TD by Boone, horrible technique there), say he doesn’t have a great 40 time (but in a 5yd x 5yd box he’s as quick as anyone), but don’t say he is a bad tackler because that is just flat out wrong.
TIDBIT ON PHILLIP THOMAS
Chuck Amato stopped by the school Tuesday and says he wants Thomas to visit, but hasn’t scheduled anything.
Syracuse’s new D-Coordinator Scott Shafer stopped in the see Thomas today and want to bring him up on a visit this Friday. Thomas is willing to go as long as the airline ticket gets to him. It will be interesting if the ’Cuse can swing the visit on such short notice.
We can beat out SU if we want.
Our goal is simple: Best in the land
Kill a fly with an axe -- Mickey Andrews
per Luke and soflafootball.com
Our goal is simple: Best in the land
Kill a fly with an axe -- Mickey Andrews
an interesting article by Staples on recruiting
and Im only posting cuz there was some FSU love.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/andy_staples/01/20/recruiting/index.html#?eref=T1
another interesting one
http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&msa=0&msid=102486492574356468284.00045823e3f47595fa9d6&ll=34.016242,-98.173828&spn=33.303199,78.75&z=4
where our players come from. Heck, you all should just check it out at CNNSI
thought it was interesting seeing where we recruit
Never really put much thought into it, thinking we could take the best talent from everywhere. Great player in Idaho…sure why cant FSU get em. Well, I thought it was interesting heh.
Jen Platania
(cited in the article as one of the researchers who put together the recruiting model) was a grad student at FSU and taught a Macroeconomics course I was in. I’m dating myself because this would have been roughly 2000.
I remember her because she was fairly attractive for an economics teacher.
She posted their paper here. The good parts appear to start on page 13, but looks like a nice read either way.
Wow.
If you look at page 45-46, one thing that stands out to me is the coefficient associated with “rumors of NCAA sanctions”. They don’t really discuss this in their results (at first glance – admittedly I just scanned through this), but the implications are not good.
Has anyone seen this
http://www.tharinger.com/Recruiting.aspx
According to this we will get a visit from Brown and Richardson.
Supposedly Debose is also coming in for a visit.
i personally don’t believe a word of it.
Our goal is simple: Best in the land
Kill a fly with an axe -- Mickey Andrews
You mean you don't trust a website that spells "the" as "tha" in the title?
http://today.sportingnews.com/sportingnewstoday/20081229/?pg=2
by tdchrisdavis on Jan 22, 2009 5:45 PM EST up reply actions
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