MBB Game 20: FSU 73 at UVA62
by TrueCubbie on Jan 24, 2009 12:00 PM EST
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Florida St. Seminoles at Virginia Cavaliers, Jan 24, 2009 4:00 PM EST
ACC:2 FSU:3
On Wednesday evening, Miami did what good, experienced basketball teams do. They came back from a 12 point deficit in the first half only to be leading at the half. Down the stretch, held on as they missed three after three, relying on their play maker McClinton to get to the line to seal the victory. This is a good loss in the eye's of the tournament committee...we even went up in the RPI.
This afternoon, we travel to UVA to take on the Cavaliers.
Take a look inside for the preview and game thread.
N.B. An ACC road win is always a good thing. The final score is not indicative of what the game was like. We got lazy and tried to do to much in the last few minutes, allowing UVA to go on a run. We took the lead from the start and continued to have a great game, particularly in the first half. Toney Douglas and Chris Singleton each had excellent games and the Noles offense had some life to it. Now...it's time to see what we can do against UNC.
If you Google "how to finish basketball teams" you will get 798,000 results. Miami demonstrated how to hang on and finish a basketball game, despite disappointing shooting from the floor. Despite not scoring on their last three possessions, Miami won the game. How did they do it? They got to the free throw line.
Our young team is continuing to struggle to finish out basketball games or even finish out the first half. On numerous occasions, we have built large leads, only to see them slip away.
Check out the following examples:
Clearly, there are games in which we have led from the start and finished games, but if you read through the game threads, many of us start to get nervous as we sense the comeback starting and watching leads slip away.
This is a nice article at Statsheet.com (TNation's new favorite toy in generating charts) about calculating when a game is over. Interesting read that may or may not make us feel more comfortable as we watch our Noles.
On to the Virginia match up. Unfortunately, this is going to be quite short. Work has been way to busy and my boards are coming up. Plus, no offense to the UVA fans in the house...it's UVA. Going into the match up, UVA is 7-8 and 1-3 in ACC play, recently losing on the road to Maryland 84-78. Their lone ACC victory was against GTech, a close 88-84 OT victory.
Here is how their season has gone so far. Clearly, there are some sore thumb loses, but they have played a relatively difficult schedule. According to Pomeroy, their SOS is 35th in the country. Ours is 38th.
| Sun Nov 16 | (166) Virginia Military Inst | W, 107-97 | 90 | Home | 1-0 | ||
| Wed Nov 19 | (92) South Florida | W, 77-75 | 73 | Home | 2-0 | ||
| Fri Nov 21 | (199) Radford | W, 68-66 | 74 | Home | 3-0 | ||
| Tue Nov 25 | (147) Liberty | L, 86-82 | 70 | Home | 3-1 | ||
| Fri Nov 28 | (30) Syracuse | L, 73-70 | 71 | Away | 3-2 | ||
| Tue Dec 2 | (43) Minnesota | L, 66-56 | 64 | Away | 3-3 | ||
| Wed Dec 17 | (289) Longwood | W, 90-61 | 78 | Home | 4-3 | ||
| Sat Dec 20 | (76) Auburn | L, 58-56 | 68 | Home | 4-4 | ||
| Tue Dec 23 | (262) Hampton | W, 74-48 | 69 | Home | 5-4 | ||
| Sun Dec 28 | (103) Georgia Tech | W, 88-84 | 82 | OT | Away | 6-4 | 1-0 |
| Sat Jan 3 | (17) Xavier | L, 84-70 | 72 | Home | 6-5 | ||
| Tue Jan 6 | (279) Brown | W, 74-50 | 66 | Home | 7-5 | ||
| Sat Jan 10 | (72) Virginia Tech | L, 78-75 | 73 | Away | 7-6 | 1-1 | |
| Thu Jan 15 | (2) North Carolina | L, 83-61 | 74 | Home | 7-7 | 1-2 | |
| Tue Jan 20 | (53) Maryland | L, 84-78 | 71 | Away | 7-8 | 1-3 |
They kept it close with VTech on the road. And who did VTech just beat? The number 1 team in the country: Wake Forest. Does that mean anything? Probably not.
Category Offense Defense D-I Avg
Adj. Efficiency:
106.0 [89]
96.6 [98]
100.4
Adj. Tempo:
69.5 [86]
67.2
Four Factors
Effective FG%:
47.0 [230]
47.9 [121]
48.8
Turnover %:
18.8 [64]
17.9 [309]
20.9
Off. Reb. %:
36.4 [66]
31.3 [102]
33.2
FTA/FGA:
32.8 [250]
34.0 [125]
36.2
Miscellaneous Components
3P%:
29.8 [304]
33.2 [136]
34.0
2P%:
48.0 [166]
47.0 [141]
47.7
FT%:
74.4 [25]
67.4 [114]
68.6
Block%:
11.5 [302]
10.8 [82]
9.0
Steal%:
8.8 [86]
8.0 [298]
10.0
Style Components
3PA/FGA:
29.7 [247]
30.7 [95]
33.1
A/FGM:
48.4 [295]
53.6 [153]
54.4
Point Distribution (% of total points)
3-Pointers:
22.4 [290]
25.8 [237]
27.6
2-Pointers:
57.0 [60]
54.9 [80]
52.1
Free Throws:
20.6 [156]
19.3 [216]
20.3
Strength of Schedule
Components:
103.1 [62]
97.6 [35]
100.4
Overall:
0.6532 [35]
.5000
Non-conference:
0.5142 [169]
.5000
Personnel
Bench Minutes:
32.4% [139]
31.4%
Experience:
1.15 yrs [313]
1.65
Effective Height:
+2.3 [37]
0.0
Average Height:
77.4" [52]
76.5"
Their poor shooting and lack of ability to generate turnovers plays into our hands. We should and must win this one on the road. This team is almost the opposite of the Miami game. Miami, in general, was not a good shooting time around the basket, but they could drain the three...and that is what they did to get the victory. We defend the basket extremely well, getting inside is almost impossible against Alabi, Echefu, Reid and Singleton. Our guards limit penetration. We defend the three well, but not like we do inside. UVA cannot shoot from down town.
Here are our numbers for comparison:
Category Offense Defense D-I Avg
Adj. Efficiency:
101.5 [156]
88.5 [21]
100.4
Adj. Tempo:
68.4 [120]
67.2
Four Factors
Effective FG%:
48.1 [198]
44.0 [32]
48.8
Turnover %:
23.4 [288]
23.1 [56]
20.9
Off. Reb. %:
36.9 [53]
34.6 [232]
33.2
FTA/FGA:
43.4 [36]
34.9 [145]
36.2
Miscellaneous Components
3P%:
32.5 [225]
32.5 [104]
34.0
2P%:
47.8 [178]
41.3 [13]
47.7
FT%:
70.3 [112]
64.4 [32]
68.6
Block%:
6.9 [59]
17.3 [6]
8.9
Steal%:
10.1 [192]
12.9 [20]
10.0
Style Components
3PA/FGA:
33.3 [157]
36.1 [273]
33.1
A/FGM:
52.5 [211]
46.6 [23]
54.4
Point Distribution (% of total points)
3-Pointers:
25.6 [222]
31.8 [51]
27.6
2-Pointers:
50.3 [226]
47.8 [299]
52.1
Free Throws:
24.1 [30]
20.4 [170]
20.3
Strength of Schedule
Components:
104.0 [34]
98.8 [77]
100.4
Overall:
0.6440 [38]
.5000
Non-conference:
0.5412 [143]
.5000
Personnel
Bench Minutes:
31.7% [162]
31.4%
Experience:
1.22 yrs [297]
1.65
Effective Height:
+5.0 [4]
0.0
Average Height:
79.0" [1]
76.5"
(Game Plan)
| Date | Opponent | Result | Location | Record | Conf | ||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Sat Nov 15 | (100) Jacksonville | W, 59-57 | 69 | Away | 1-0 | ||
| Tue Nov 18 | (127) La Salle | W, 65-61 | 71 | Away | 2-0 | ||
| Thu Nov 20 | (233) Stetson | W, 79-77 | 73 | Home | 3-0 | ||
| Sat Nov 22 | (275) Coastal Carolina | W, 82-70 | 71 | Home | 4-0 | ||
| Mon Nov 24 | (288) Western Illinois | W, 67-55 | 62 | Home | 5-0 | ||
| Fri Nov 28 | (84) Cincinnati | W, 58-47 | 64 | Neutral | 6-0 | ||
| Sat Nov 29 | (30) California | W, 80-77 | 78 | Neutral | 7-0 | ||
| Wed Dec 3 | (43) Northwestern | L, 73-59 | 69 | Away | 7-1 | ||
| Sun Dec 7 | (39) Florida | W, 57-55 | 64 | Home | 8-1 | ||
| Sat Dec 13 | (261) Georgia St. | W, 62-57 | 54 | Away | 9-1 | ||
| Tue Dec 16 | (221) Tennessee Tech | W, 69-59 | 75 | Home | 10-1 | ||
| Thu Dec 18 | (314) Charleston Southern | W, 71-48 | 66 | Home | 11-1 | ||
| Sun Dec 21 | (3) Pittsburgh | L, 56-48 | 67 | Home | 11-2 | ||
| Sun Dec 28 | (126) Western Kentucky | W, 82-69 | 65 | Semi-Home | 12-2 | ||
| Sat Jan 3 | (189) Texas A&M Corpus Chris | W, 69-48 | 72 | Home | 13-2 | ||
| Sat Jan 10 | (1) Duke | L, 66-58 | 67 | Home | 13-3 | 0-1 | |
| Tue Jan 13 | (91) North Carolina St. | W, 78-65 | 67 | Away | 14-3 | 1-1 | |
| Sat Jan 17 | (58) Maryland | W, 76-73 | 78 | OT | Home | 15-3 | 2-1 |
| Wed Jan 21 | (34) Miami FL | L, 75-69 | 68 | Away | 15-4 | 2-2 |
Sorry for the formatting, but I can't figure out how to delete the bottom of the table above. FSUncensored, any help?
Here are the match ups:
F #31 Chris Singleton (9.1 ppg, 5.8 rpg; First career game vs. Virginia)
F #41 Uche Echefu (7.8 ppg, 4.8 rpg; 8 pts and 9 rebs vs. Virginia, Feb. 17, 2007)
C #32 Solomon Alabi (7.3 ppg, 2.0 bpg; First career game vs. Virginia)
G #22 Derwin Kitchen (7.9 ppg, 4.0 rpg; First career game vs. Virginia)
G #23 Toney Douglas (19.5 ppg, 2.1 spg; 19 pts and 6 stls vs. Virginia, Jan. 23, 2008)
F #32 Mike Scott (11.9 ppg, 8.9 rpg; 5 pts and 3 rebs vs. Florida State, Jan, 23, 2008)
C #5 Assane Sene (3.5 ppg, 5.9 rpg; First career game against Florida State)
G #13 Sammy Zeglinski (10.1 ppg, 3.7 apg; First career game vs. Florida State)
G #15 Sylven Landesburg (16.6 pg, 6.2 rpg; First career game vs. Florida State)
G #24 Mamadi Diane (4.8 ppg, 2.4 rpg; 21 pts and 5 rebs vs. Florida State, Jan. 23, 2008)
Slyven Landesburg is their stud. He has an ORtg of 112, he rarely turns it over for a guard, he draws fouls and touches the ball on almost 25% of their possession. Mike Scott is an effective player, but he rarely gets the ball. He is their go to guy in terms of rebounding and is actually one of the best rebounders in the country. Look for a great matcu up with Singleton. Sene barely plays and they typically go small. He is a 7-footer and will only be starting because of Alabi.
If we can contain and Landesburg and Scott, we should win this game. They are young and have yet to develop their rhythm. Atheltically, we are a better team. However, you never know what will happen with this Noles team. We all know that we play to the level of our competition.
The game will be on FSN. Look for live feeds on justin.tv and the radio feed may either be here or here.
Look forward to your thoughts on this one. Should be a good game and hopefuly a win on the road. Unfortunately, I will be on call and miss the game again. I'll have the typical preview up for the UNC game, which is on Wednesday night at the Tucker Center. Should be a good one.
Go Noles!
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Side note:
Maryland sucks. Here’s hoping they collapse for the rest of the year.
PS- Great job, as always, TC!!
yes, link works. game is about to start. enjoy.
by thirdcoastnole on Jan 24, 2009 4:00 PM EST up reply actions
2 turnovrs in the first 25 seconds
This is going to be an ugly 40 minutes
Kitchen for 2
http://today.sportingnews.com/sportingnewstoday/20081229/?pg=2
Echefu ends up on the ground and it is somehow an offensive foul on him
http://today.sportingnews.com/sportingnewstoday/20081229/?pg=2
We look awful
Turning it over almost every time, and foul UVA on a 3 pointer.
Kitchen needs to work on his driving… he just ran into 2 UVA players and got the ball taken from him.
http://today.sportingnews.com/sportingnewstoday/20081229/?pg=2
Singelton for 2
We must have 5 turnovers in 3 minutes.
http://today.sportingnews.com/sportingnewstoday/20081229/?pg=2
We're somehow up 7-1
UVA looks like a middle school team.
http://today.sportingnews.com/sportingnewstoday/20081229/?pg=2
Each team with 4 turnovers
Make it 5 for us… wtf was that Reid?
Offensive rebound UVA.
http://today.sportingnews.com/sportingnewstoday/20081229/?pg=2
3 on 1 and we get an offensive foul????????????????????
Are you kidding?
http://today.sportingnews.com/sportingnewstoday/20081229/?pg=2
Why is Reid playing?
If Ham knew it would play out his way, he could have yanked his scholly for the BB gun incident.
Alabi for 2, we're up 15-5, timeout UVA
http://today.sportingnews.com/sportingnewstoday/20081229/?pg=2
No
http://today.sportingnews.com/sportingnewstoday/20081229/?pg=2
by tdchrisdavis on Jan 24, 2009 4:25 PM EST up reply actions
Stats update:
Rebounds: 7-7
Offensive rebounds: 4-1 them
http://today.sportingnews.com/sportingnewstoday/20081229/?pg=2
Dulkys for 3, it's a 13 point lead
UVA is 1-11 shooting
We’re like 6 of 11
http://today.sportingnews.com/sportingnewstoday/20081229/?pg=2
UVA has some interesting names...Mamadi Diane and Mustapha Farrakhan
http://today.sportingnews.com/sportingnewstoday/20081229/?pg=2
Singleton glides in for on offensive board and then knees it out of bounds
http://today.sportingnews.com/sportingnewstoday/20081229/?pg=2
UVA on pace for about 18 points today
http://today.sportingnews.com/sportingnewstoday/20081229/?pg=2
Oh no...
24-7
http://today.sportingnews.com/sportingnewstoday/20081229/?pg=2
by tdchrisdavis on Jan 24, 2009 4:43 PM EST up reply actions
points off turnovers - 18-3 us
Gibson had a nice shot there.
http://today.sportingnews.com/sportingnewstoday/20081229/?pg=2
UVA has one FG this half...
Embarassing.
http://today.sportingnews.com/sportingnewstoday/20081229/?pg=2
Nifty passing
Didn’t make the shot but still good ball movement.
Where are they getting these foul calls?
http://today.sportingnews.com/sportingnewstoday/20081229/?pg=2
This is fun to watch even though UVA is playing horrible.
Let’s hope they come out of the alf with the same energy and put together a complete game.
Did UVA make a shot or did they sink 2 more FTs?
http://today.sportingnews.com/sportingnewstoday/20081229/?pg=2
What happened to this guy
He was much better as a freshman.
http://today.sportingnews.com/sportingnewstoday/20081229/?pg=2
by tdchrisdavis on Jan 24, 2009 5:07 PM EST up reply actions
I agree, I actually had high expectations at the beginning of the season.
Fortunately, we have much better options. I think the talent we hav collected in the last couple years have made him look worse even though his game han’t changed. It’s all relative.
Get that outta here
Demercy with the great block
Very True. I think UVA is better than their record and the way they play. They have a coulpe of dangerous shooters.
It helps that they have 17 points form the free throw line to our 9.
What kind of a player is Snaer?
Kind of like Singleton?
http://today.sportingnews.com/sportingnewstoday/20081229/?pg=2
by tdchrisdavis on Jan 24, 2009 5:50 PM EST up reply actions
nevermind
Dumb question.
http://today.sportingnews.com/sportingnewstoday/20081229/?pg=2
by tdchrisdavis on Jan 24, 2009 5:50 PM EST up reply actions
Can he drive the lane well?
http://today.sportingnews.com/sportingnewstoday/20081229/?pg=2
by tdchrisdavis on Jan 24, 2009 5:51 PM EST up reply actions
IMHO he does everything well and can really elevate. He was a huge recruiting pick up by Hamilton
5-star, 6’4 185 guard from California. We should all be very excited by his addition to the team.
Too bad you can't have basketball players enroll early
It would be sick if he could play with the team now.
http://today.sportingnews.com/sportingnewstoday/20081229/?pg=2
by tdchrisdavis on Jan 24, 2009 5:54 PM EST up reply actions
Our defense has been poor this second half
http://today.sportingnews.com/sportingnewstoday/20081229/?pg=2
Good follow by Echefu, in the little part of the game that I have seen, we are playing well on the offensive end.
Good ball movement, getting the big guy touches inside, working the offensive glass.
This game is statistically over...
Huge win for us…on the road in the ACC and winning by double digits.
Still need to break the press better.
I think were doing fine with the press
we’re making stupid decisions after we’ve already got the ball downcourt
UVA- Congrats on playing us even in the second half...
you are still down by 14. These announcers are annoying.
I've had the volume off the whole game
Not my own decision, but it probably worked out for the best.
Okay, fouling on a 3 is probably not the best thing to do.
http://today.sportingnews.com/sportingnewstoday/20081229/?pg=2
by tdchrisdavis on Jan 24, 2009 5:59 PM EST up reply actions
As if we went into cruise control...its nice if you can maintain the lead, which we have today, unlike my examples above. We should be really happy about this outcome overall.
Some of the nitty gritty details aren’t so hot.
Agreed...
I’ll always take a 10+ win on the road in the ACC.
WHAT THE HELL ARE WE DOING???
FOCUS for crying out loud. Why the hell are we trying to get a fast break layup. the game is over.
If we lost 101-95 then we didn't score 100
http://today.sportingnews.com/sportingnewstoday/20081229/?pg=2
by tdchrisdavis on Jan 24, 2009 6:08 PM EST up reply actions
I am...
That was the last time someone scored 100 on us…
The last time we scored 100 was against Campbell in 2006. We put up 108.
Sorry for any confusion and for the misread…
Good win
We looked really good today. Some guys like Uche didn’t have their best games but the others picked it up. Toney, Singleton and Solomon were excellent, some nice shots by Dulkys as well and great defense all around.
Go Noles!
http://today.sportingnews.com/sportingnewstoday/20081229/?pg=2
Toney Douglas is a beast
Nice all around game by the Noles. Hope we bring same type of effort and intensity on defense against UNC.
If we do we will play them down to the wire
http://today.sportingnews.com/sportingnewstoday/20081229/?pg=2
by tdchrisdavis on Jan 24, 2009 6:13 PM EST up reply actions
Excellent Road win today
Always tough to do in the ACC – when’s the last time we lead wire to wire on the road (at all)
Once the lead hit double digits, it never dropped below. I agree it was sloppy early, but I was really encouraged by our three point shooting (which we’re really going to need against Carolina, Wake, Clemson, Duke etc. – Man our schedule is hard!)
I don't think UVA is a good team
but regardless I thought we played a nice game. It was the first one I have been able to watch wire to wire.
Outside of Douglas and Singelton, which is obvious, i though Alabi played a nice game (esp in the first half). With the exception of mishandling a few rebounds, which irritated me, he showed that he has a nice variety of shot. Only if he would be a little more ‘mean’ and physical he would be a real polished post player.
I also think one thing you can’t fault this team for is hustle. They busted it all night, looked conditioned and I was impressed with Demercy and his hustle…
Took care of business which is nice against a bad team. Didn’t give them hope.
"I have come that you may have life, and life to the max"
You really think Singleton had that good a game?
I thought he was the one who looked slopy early on. His final stat-line must look decent, but I think he was on the bench when FSU built the lead. Two three’s from Dulkys and TD down the stretch carried us. We really looked good in the half-court in the second half. I was very happy with that.
I actually had to miss this game
Looks like we dominated though. TD played well, and sounds like Singleton played had a good game. I expected us to get this win, and I am glad we did. Win 5 more games and we are in the Tourney imo!
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