Tuesday Nole Notes 1.06.09
by Bud Elliott on Jan 6, 2009 1:01 PM EST
in FSU Football
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News on Bowden, Brown, Jenkins, and why isn't Mickey recruiting today?
Also... http://www.rockmnation.com/2009/1/6/710285/rock-m-nation-bowl-pick-em I'm about to win a contest for Tomahawk Nation (and you guys didn't even know you were represented).
UPDATE: ESPN'S Todd McShay doesn't have Brown as a 1st round pick, just a month after calling him the 8th best available player (and top pass rusher).
Brandon Jenkins Attends First Class at FSU
Brandon Jenkins is a 4* defensive end (rated the 18th best DE by ESPN), and the only early Enrolee in this class. He appears to have his head on straight and he's smart. I've seen some of the myspace photos of our incoming recruits. Not all of them are encouraging. Brandon's, however, show a kid who isn't getting into trouble. He enters FSU with 6 hours of college credit, a good sign. His Highschool coach thinks he will peak out at around 270lbs (though I'd say 260 is more realistic). Currently at 6-4, 230, he'll need to reach 250 before he can expect to get significant playing time. I see this kid being a good to very good defensive end for us in time because of his grounded nature, excellent potential, promising frame, and solid burst off the edge. Defensive linemen often seem like some of the dumber guys on the team, and we've seen this with some of the ineligibility and early reparture stuff we've had. Brandon doesn't fit into that mold as his intelligence and strong family are encouraging, much like Everette Brown's were.
My answer? I don't think Jimbo will stay for 2010 is Bowden is still around/ alive (not trying to be morbid, but after seeing 80yo Dick Clark, the reality of Bowden's age is in the forefront og my mind).
Everette Brown might not go pro
That's right. The best player the Noles have had in a several years might not go to the pros early! This is just... huge news. Our defense gets a ton better if he does decide to stay (has until Jan 15th to decide). Wow, just wow.
This would be a bad move on his part, in my opinion. He is set to be drafted early in the 1st round. Sources say he wasn't in love with his draft evaluation.
If he does come back he must take out a sizable insurance policy.
The best defensive ends for the 2009 season should be:
Everett Brown - Florida State
Jerry Hughes - TCU
Aaron Maybin - Penn State
George Selvie - South Florida
Jammie Kirlew - Indiana
Paul Kruger - Utah
Alex Carrington - Arkansas State
Brandon Williams - Texas Tech
Antonio Coleman - Auburn
Malcolm Sheppard - Arkansas
Jermaine Cunningham - Florida
Arthur Jones - Syracuse
Allen Bailey- Miami
Brown would be the top defensive end/ edge rusher taken if he were to stay, and if his family doesn't really need the huge money, and he wants to stick around for another year, and he is getting good advice, and he is taking out a huge insurance policy, then staying might not be a bad idea.
I'm against it, however, and I don't know exactly how EB can justify coming back.
Update: Andrew Carter says a decision will come from Brown soon!
Update #2:
MattDNole reminded me that "Do Now Want Dog" (DNWD) is the official mascot of the fear Everette Brown puts in the hearts of opposing offenses.
There... much better.
Andrews is one of two coaches who are not on the road recruiting today (only 7 of 9 can recruit at one time).
That rule makes it pretty clear why Dexter Carter needs to go. We can't get good coverage with two coaches going together, as Carter need a babysitter.
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Strange Rule
about recruiting.
Maybe his stock is falling? I don’t know why it would, but if he didn’t like his draft eval there must be a reason why. Unless he is hoping to be top 5 or something.
If Bud Thacker is a third round pick...
(like some say he suggested on the radio yesterday)
then Everette Brown should be the guaranteed number 1 with a 50 million dollar signing bonus.
While I think coming back would be a huge mistake for Everette, I’ll welcome him with open arms. He would make a lot of next year’s defensive problems go away by the power of his awesomeness. Additionally, we wouldn’t need to recruit another DL in this class to go with the 3 we already have leaving us in better shape with Brandon Willis, et. al. next season.
Come on Uncensored, you know there are a lot of tackles in the ACC who read this news and got a little worried… Where’s DNWD?
That dadgum dog makes me laugh every time I see him.
I just get these images of Dog Whisperer Cesar Milan giving pep talks to the Clemson offensive line.
Sorry, I watched a lot of that show over the holidays.
Matt
you seen the South Park with the Dog Whisperererer? Hysterical.
Our goal is simple: Best in the land
The Democrat also throws in the line that Mincey is "expected to return"
Expected by who? I don’t know. But it’d be nice if he did.
That was my argument a few weeks ago
If he played in the bowl… he’s eligible for spring… and then all we need to do is stick him in a semester of easy classes so he can play the fall.
Cynical? Yes, but we’re dealing with a guy who has really struggled with the student part of student athlete.
How many credits
I mean if is 6 or even 9 …they can put him in bowling class and golf etc. come on now he is not gonna be a Rhodes Scholar we all knew that.
Here's the story
Check the 4th or 5th paragraph.
http://nolesports.tallahassee.com/article/20090105/FSU03/90105020
Again, I don’t know who it is that expecting Mincey to return, but if he does and Thacker does and Brown does… our DL will be SICK.
The story floating around yesterday was that Thacker..
called into a syndicated radio show (not sports related) to discuss some girl troubles he was having.
Apparently during the discussion he said his draft paperwork projected him as a 3rd rounder.
Cameron is much smarter than that.
Physically, yes Thacker should stay.
But some kids aren’t cut out for the student part of being a student athlete.
Myron, Everette, Preston, Patrick, and Dekoda are the players we could lose because they are league-ready (or at least good enough to have an agent convince them they are league-ready).
Mincey and Thacker may or may not be enjoying the school part of playing in college and could decide to leave.
Right now we now Myron is gone.
Reasonable assumption is that Dekoda and Preston are back.
The academic part of it makes Patrick, Budd, and Justin too much of a wild card.
Thacker's school issue
I think is one of laziness, not intelligence. He’s no genius, but he just doesn’t like school. It would be nice if he tried harder in the classroom.
I agree with the rest of the analysis, except I don’t group Preston with Dekoda.
Dekoda has been a lot more definitive in his statements.
And I won’t be fully convinced of anything until January 16th.
I just think Preston is on his way back.
Although I agree with what you say
There are very few that can actually skip on the student part of the student atlethe agreement and still be succesful. The way I see it you cant play football forever and if you already at school might as well try to get a degree even if it is in Liberal Arts or Sociology (no offense to you non-engineers on the board). To think that you can just go to the NFL after 3 is a huge gamble IMO.
It isn't the logical choice, no.
But in some cases going pro is the only decision a person can make.
see: Letroy Guion
The fact that it is illogical is what makes these cases so difficult to project.
I think the cloud of smoke around this team significantly lessened after
ED and Letroy Guion stopped playing here.
Haha, too late
WHO THE HECK would suggest that? Must be one of Gruden and Bruce Allen’s talent evaluators feeding the information to the press. Offensive guards would eat him alive. I think he could be successful at the same thing he will be at FSU….. a backup. No way would he be a starter in the NFL and shouldn’t be one for out team.
Question
Who is the 3rd greyshirt we got this year?
Gehres, Faircloth, and ____? Is it Blake Snider? I know all 3 supposedly started classes today, but I wasn’t sure exactly who the 3rd guy was.
Man
I wish Everette would stay. That would be huge for us. Haha Thacker a 3rd round pick maybe in the AFL or something.
why? I thought he already graduated and he’s better off going since he’s a top DE. If he gets hurt and messes up his knee next season then he’s out a ton of money
by Cee on Jan 6, 2009 2:52 PM EST up reply actions
Any word
on Greg Reid? Are we gonna at least get a visit?
I'm worried that he might not.
After a few edits, this is all I’m willing to say.
Our coaches need to do a better job.
"Our coaches need to do a better job."
I’m willing to bet the edits included this sentence being trimmed down from about 50 words to eight. “Need” is the only four-letter word that survived.
What Matt meant to say was,"Our defensive coaches are bumbling idiots that don't know good DBs when they are
in front of their noses."
Our goal is simple: Best in the land
The only reason I can see teams passing on Everette in the first round...
is that he might be a little suspect in run defense. I think he’s very similar to Dwight Freeney in his ability though, and would be shocked if he had fallen that far on draft boards.
When was the last time an NFL team went after a DE
because he could stop the run? That trend is long gone.
Also... Brown is a 3-4 OLB in the NFL
as our coaches refuse to use anyone of size at end.
We’re also holding onto a dying trend, methinks.
That Stand up end
is going to be a standard in the NFL within 10 years. Too useful for it not to be.
Our coaches refusal to use size..
is why you will see McAllister at DT despite what common sense has to say.
"Noles Come Up Small"
“The Thin Red Garnet and Gold Line”
“(Hold Me Closer) Tiny Defender”
Just to name a few.
Probably a little bit of both.
Let’s just say I feel better with Orson than I do any other top prospect left on our board.
Ahh...
Snail mail!!
Finally a form of communication that our coaching staff can handle!!
What, were there no functional telegraph machines at Plant?
Carrier pigeons get lost in the Gulf stream?
Smoke signals not able to reach that far?
In case you're still wondering, Cee...
- Spoiler Alert -
It was the usual mix of “premium content” of information you can find online for free and top-secret insight that for some reason you just can’t find anywhere else. “We have reason to believe despite what [Player X] said when he donned the hat of [University Y] and screamed into the camera, ’I’m a f***ing [University Y’s mascot], bi-o***!‘, he’s actually leaning 51/49 to FSU.”
Dude...
Did you see Player X’s video? I know he is the first -1 star recruit in history, but he straight up dominates in that film. We are totally getting a sleeper. His only other offers might be from University Y, Georgia Southern, West Georgia Tech, and Devry, but we are getting a steal.
Look at that film again, man. Doesn’t it remind you a little bit of [Hall of Famer W]?
I mean… if you add 35 pounds, take off about a second in the 40, and magically give him the ability to catch. Our coaches can totally get that done in no time. He might even be a candidate for playing time this season. It’s no doubt that he will be a beast on special teams.
Crap...
I just heard some really bad news on Player X’s ability to qualify.
He may have gotten a 6 on the ACT and hasn’t attended a class since his freshman year.
He also might have beaten up his girlfriend…’s grandmother
But rumor has it he’s been working with a tutor to get his test score up, and he has since apologized to his girlfriend AND her grandmother.
This guy clearly is a hard worker. And he knows he’s made a mistake or two in his life. He’s the kind of guy who could really get his act cleaned up if we give him a chance. He’s got the potential to be another [Pro Bowler Z] if we get him on campus.
Sample of "Premium Content" reader response to MattD's posts:
Nole4Life69: “Best Snore Room EVER!! I KNEW [Player Y] was a silent commit when he pulled the ‘Lee Corso’ and threw on the Sebastian the Ibis Head!”
Semi420Nolz: “snore room FTW!! [Recruit Z] 2 gayturds 4 teh lulz!! FU FTL!!”
FSUNatChamps2009: “I know for a FACET from a contact of mine that [Player X] was contacted by both Urban Meyers AND Randey Shannon, and he told them both no way. Looks like Bobby has worked his magic again!”
BobbyBowden4Ever: “Hey FSUNatChamps2009, this is exactly what I’m talking about! More proof that Coach Bowden has EARNED THE RIGHT to stay here as long as he wants! I’m so sick and tired of the CRYBABIES on here! P.S. Please don’t start with the Bowden bashing! Only REAL FSU FANS allowed!”
Additionally...
Luke over at SoFlaFootball says Tom O’Brien is on his way to visit Jarvis Byrd.
If we don’t sign a single legitimate corner this year someone should be tarred and feathered.
Your not kidding
as short as we are on corner if we dont sign one, something is wrong.
What about Dionte Allen, Terrence Parks, and Nick Moody
Are any of them going to be able to help us next year ??
I personally can't say, as I don't get to see practice.
A friend told me Parks looked great last spring but didn’t progress like we thought and also got injured.
Dionte is always injured.
Moody has been a bigtime disappointment so far and I don’t expect him to see the field. Typical northern reach.
Moody is a linebacker we have playing safety.
Terrance might be a safety we have playing corner.
Dionte has just been hurt so much.
I hope Parks can play corner and play it well, as I think it would really help us. We need Allen to step up and get into the rotation at CB as well.
If not for experience, Moody would be passed by a few recruits at SS in the summer. I would personally like to see him move to OLB, as I still think we need more depth there (I’m not a believer AT ALL in Harris or Gresham).
I really liked Alexander when we were recruiting him.
I don’t know if he is a natural corner though. If so, it’d be great. He looks like a taller Tony Carter.
If not, I hope we find a spot for him at receiver and that he doesn’t Brandon Paul his way to another school.
As I said yesterday...
everybody will have their share of recruiting busts. Some schools are just able to get around it because they consistently recruit 4 and 5 star talent.
We desperately depend on certain players and when they don’t work out we have no other recourse.
OFF TOPIC
So, how did that “know you ’Noles” contest turn out?
Weren’t there prizes for that?
;-)
Shoot. Totally forgot. I'll tabulate the scores tonight :)
My bad.
Also, ED, FSUsom has a fanpost on the best FSU team ever, it’s right up your alley.
No joke...
I bet Chuck has spent the whole day at the Krystal at exit 183 in Live Oak eating burgers, watching Fox News, and surfing the net cuz of the free WiFi.
He went to Victoria Secret and bought some bras. Don't forget that.
Our goal is simple: Best in the land
Seriously
who do you think he visited today?
Is there a single recruit on the board that you would go “Yeah, we got this one locked up. Send Chuck over there to see him.” ?
Shoot, Jenkins is already in school and I wouldn’t even want Chuck visiting him.
I wish those guys who made the Chuck Dynamite stuff were Nole fans.
We could have a lot of fun at Chuck’s expense.
i heard he made a trip up to visit Tuscaloosa
He was having trouble getting the appropriate cup size and wanted to get input from Saban. He saw the white polo he was wearing on TV and liked what he saw….
Maybe we're going about this the wrong way.
Maybe we should try to find Chuck a head coaching job.
If Terry Bowden can get hired, Chuck can too right?
OOH!! Maybe Chuck can be the DC at North Alabama!! Terry can do us that favor, can’t he?
I thought we got Chuck back at NCST and thats why hes back here.
would like him to go back there would make one game easyer
There is a rumor that Everette Brown wants to get his masters and is staying for next year
However I’m not sure it could have come from a less reliable source, so don’t much too much into it.
http://today.sportingnews.com/sportingnewstoday/20081229/?pg=2
don't put too much into it
Is what I meant
http://today.sportingnews.com/sportingnewstoday/20081229/?pg=2
Staying could still work out for the best
He could further his education, which is important to him, and maybe even improve his draft stock.
http://today.sportingnews.com/sportingnewstoday/20081229/?pg=2
I want what is best for him
EB is a great player and could help out a lot. The question is could he do better next year and get pushed up higher in the draft, get his masters, and make more money or not. I think thats what needs to be the question. I think he he can make a case ether way. I would love to have him stay so we can have a good leader on Def and someone to help out teaching the younger guys.
so let me get this.
Today we found out that MA is not on the road, We might have a brake for Def next year. and UNFNOLE dont think bud has a chance. Am I close.
so do we need bud anyhow.
He had some hype early in the season and never lived up to it. I would like to see him go and try to just pick up some walk on. I think we could have a better chance with a good player if we did that.
We totally need him.
While we rip the guy, it is extremely important to have veteran, experienced bodies. We’re not deep at DT. Further, we were extremely lucky with injury avoidance this year— something we can’t expect to happen next year.
I've heard that we could get a visit,
but not from anyone I consider truly credible. Maybe Jacobbi worked his magic? Who knows.
I would cry if we got him in addition to the MC Men.
Urban would cry as well.
Much rumblings about Brown.
Our goal is simple: Best in the land
saw this link on the mainboard
CALLING ALL UM, FSU FANS: The Sooners are expected to be at a competitive disadvantage in the Dolphin Stadium stands for Thursday’s game.
While both schools received an equal number of tickets, the Gators figure to have a much larger group of supporters on hand.
So Stoops is looking for help anywhere he can find it.
“I’m calling on all the Hurricane and Seminole fans that are down here to root for us,” said Stoops, who was the Gators’ defensive coordinator under Steve Spurrier from 1996-98. ‘That won’t be hard, I don’t think. There’s another part of South Florida that isn’t for the Gators and we’re hoping to recruit them here this week."
http://www.palmbeachpost.com/sports/content/sports/epaper/2009/01/05/0105ounotes.html
Our goal is simple: Best in the land
Um sorry
I know its crapy of me but Im going to pull for the gators. The only reason is because I like Tebow. I think hes a good person and he has something else on his side. A higher power you could say. Last Why would I pull for someone because they want to recruit there. kiss my, If anyone is going to recruit our turf its going to be chuck man that sucks.
well put...
Im still screaming BOOOMMMMEEERR SOOOOOONNNNEEEER at any Gator I see until they whoop overrated Sooner ass, which sigh, I am pretty sure is gonna happen.
I am definitely pulling for Oklahoma
but I wouldn’t pay a penny to attend that pathetic, generic “title” game.
This dysfunctional coaching hiarchy is not helping us reach our goals.
Mickey is in Tallahassee
I saw him the last two days at FIGGS Player Dining Hall in the stadium. I’m a student at FSU, btw. =) I was trying to ask him yesterday, but he was talking to someone. If he’s there tomorrow when I’m eating, I’ll ask him.
DA-2
what will you ask Mickey?
Please be smart if you choose to ask him something. If he wants to retire, there’s very little chance that your words will sway him. Make sure not to say something to make Mickey bitter.
other than that, good luck!
yeah seriously
I agree with TRM, kevlar would be nice to have on hand.
Our goal is simple: Best in the land
FSUncesored
Tell me what you want me to ask him. He’s pretty intimidating. I’ve talked to Dekoda Watson before. Nicest guy in the world, but he approached me and my friends. I’ve talked to Drew Weatherford for a few seconds. Second nicest guy in the world. I said Hey Coach to Jimbo, nice guy as well. I see Chuck a lot, and all he’s doing is buffing his chest. What a bum. With that said, imagine me approaching Mickey Andrews. He’s scary as can be. I’ve never seen him smile, and his mouth is always chewing or something. lol.
If so, ask him if they are still using their Texas checks against one-back sets
He’ll wonder how you know about that.
Also, ask him if he thinks he believes that teams can effectively run out of a one-back set.
Ask him if he treats 2TE 1RB personnel (with 2 TE’s on one side) as base or offset. If offset, does MLB still key the neutral back?
Ask him why we are violating IV. of his pressure instructions “when showing blitz or non-zone blitzing, must play aggressive coverage with inside leverage, forcing the difficult throws to the outside in the face of pressure.”
You might want to ask if he should rethink his pressure goals. Currently, we try to get our best rusher into a one-on-one matchup. That’s fine, but I wonder if he couldn’t do a better job timing blitzed and scheming so that we get UNBLOCKED rushers.
Ask him if he thinks pass rush tip # 4 “your people should play run or pass on every snap (mentally)” is innecfective as teams increasingly go to the PA pass game and the misdirection counter draw game.
Ask him if he is still teaching pattern reading? Does he plan to in the future? Did he stop because he has Amato here and our OLB’s were new to the position (Verdell/ Ingram)?
As an opinion question, ask him about having some guys play multiple-gap responsibility, and others playing single-gap (this is what Saban does).
For fun: ask him what his favorite defensive scheme was (besides our own). For instance, ’Zona ran the Desert Swarm for a while and that was pretty advanced for a college defense.
Might wanna throw a ceramic plate under that kevlar.
In all seriousness, Mickey’s also a very nice guy in person. Of course you know to show more respect to Mickey than anyone else you’ve ever come across at Florida State. Chuck’s a bafoon. Nice enough guy to talk to, but you won’t come away impressed. (Bonus tip for Chuck, learned painfully by my nephew, who was warned: Never ask for an autograph from Chuck unless you want your item to become a billboard for his ego. He now has an autographed football that reads “CHUCK AMATO” surrounded by tiny autographs of his favorite players.)
I’m sure you know if you complete this interview that you become a god on this site. Bonus kudos for .jpg’s of both black eyes.
with the kevlar
Make sure its Military issue because that crap that black water gets is just that crap. cant stop a 5.56mm little lone 7.62mm. dont want anyone to get hurt.
Note: everything but the last question is sarcasm
I would be very interested in his favorite all-time college defense.
So are we getting new defensive coaches or what?
I hope Chuck is shown the door along with Carter.
I'm not sure at this point
MattD and I discussed this last week and we think they are waiting for the NCAA ruling.
Thanks for the reply
I have the feeling that way maybe standing pat with our current group much to my chagrin.
by Legal_Seminole on Jan 7, 2009 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
I think they might wait tell next year for the coaching changes
its going to be to crazy to try to get coaches with so many team looking for people. After the smoke settles and Jimbo and BB talk I think BB will help Jimbo go get the guys he wants.
Question
When (or if) Jimbo takes over as HC, who takes over as OC? I have a sinking feeling that we make some dumb hire like Dawsey or Brad Scott.
http://today.sportingnews.com/sportingnewstoday/20081229/?pg=2
There shouldn't be any dumb hires when Jimbo takes over.
If there is, he won’t last, plain and simple. What was wrong with the Dawsey hire?
Can I make a random comment? (Uncensored reaches for the Pepto.)
The youngsters got me nostalgic earlier, and I just thought I’d mention for anyone keeping score that Lawrence Dawsey is my all-time favorite Nole. He was my first football hero, and to this day my lucky number is 29. If you ever thought 29 would be a lousy number for a WR, then you never saw Dawsey play the position. He was one of the first football players I really payed attention to as a kid and watched and admired and learned the game from (as a fan only of course), and to this day, I’ve never seen a football player like him. (I wish I’d known at the time that he wasn’t how all football players I’d watch in my life were going to be.) He was a complete football player in every sense of the word, and he maximized his skill set like no one I’ve ever seen. Understand what I’m saying: He wasn’t particularly fast, he didn’t really have anything that stood out, but he was tough and he didn’t go down, and he did whatever it took to catch the ball. One of his career highlights was actually a dropped pass in the Blockbuster Bowl of his senior season against Penn State – the reason it was notable (and I’ll never forget it – this is a compliment) is because he never dropped the ball. If you’re younger than me and ever get a chance, check out his career days at Miami (catches) in 1990 (a losing effort from a very young team) and against Florida (yards) later that year.
Did he have great balance?
That’s something we often forget to think about. Doing the things you mentioned require the player to have a good base, and great balance can allow the player to be in the right position to react and make the play.
Oh yes. And a great point. Dawsey footage would be a powerpoint presentation for anything you ever wanted to talk about re: WR position.
I just searched on YouTube – nothing that far back that I can find. (So glad I thought to tape games as a kid.)
If anyone reads my above post on Dawsey and wonders...
This in no way was a response to “Dawsey as OC” talk or anything like that. I would not endorse Dawsey as OC, and for that matter, I really have no strong opinion on him as our WR coach. Discipline was a big issue this past season at the WR position (wow, 2009 already has an Understatement of the Year Candidate), but I won’t judge any offensive coach hired since Fisher’s arrival on discipline until after Coach Bowden is gone. I assume this requires no further explanation.
To my original point, this was simply nostalgia of a great player.
speaking of discipline
The defense did not have problems (any?) this year? Can we attribute this to Chuck Amato? Consider it honestly, because the hating Amato snowball is rolling full force.
There were defensive players in the Union incident, but
We can probably give Amato some credit here. I would also think to credit our veteran leadership on defense. There was no way Brown, Rolle, or Tony Carter were getting in trouble. Griffin and Verdell are solid guys as well.
True, True.
Really a fantastic amount of leadership from the players on defense, especially from what I heard about Watson.
Dekoda Watson
the guy isn’t the elogant of speakers but he’s the nicest, down to earth guy in the world. He was sitting right next to me, left, came back and said “Hey, you made sure no one touched my food right?” I know the topic is over, but I talked to him I want to say the week after Wake Forest. If anyone can correlate it, it was the week after Miami introduced the Wildcat against the Patriots. I asked him why Antone couldn’t be Darren McFadden and Jermaine be Felix Jones. Anyway, I asked him about the draft and he seemed interested to see where he was going to be drafted but would wait it out if it might a big lead. I couldn’t believe some that high on a pedastal was so cool with me. He seemed really interested in being a teacher, even that’s an easy major. He’s definitely my favorite player on the team.
"he won't last"
Anywhere else in the country he wouldn’t, but we’re talking about a football program that has fallen to the mercy of an 80 year old head coach.
This dysfunctional coaching hiarchy is not helping us reach our goals.
to clarify
I was referring to TRM’s post about Jimbo not lasting if he makes questionable hires.
This dysfunctional coaching hiarchy is not helping us reach our goals.
Totally understand your point...
…and I’m right there with you. But I believe Bowden’s not setting precedents at FSU, meaning when he leaves, I have to believe the university simply can’t allow the patterns of these last few – what’s it been now, decades? – to continue. We have bills to pay. In fact, one of FSU’s first priorities will probably be to send a message to the coaches that hey, all of this b.s. that’s been going on with Bowden is over. You perform, you get these people’s butts back in the seats, or you’re outta here. I highly doubt Fisher will be shown the same loyalty he’s showing to FSU right now.
But I like Coley as recruiting coordinator
He can’t be both, can he?
Hopefully Amato is still around and he can be our new recruting coordinator if Coley takes over as OC.
http://today.sportingnews.com/sportingnewstoday/20081229/?pg=2
by tdchrisdavis on Jan 6, 2009 11:31 PM EST up reply actions
It depends
I think we’d be able to do a great job in recruiting if we used the RB coach position like most places do (as solely a place to stash the ace recruiter)
why can't we
assemble a staff like this and rock out in recruiting and be the real USC
Kiffin — HC/QB Coach
Monte — DC
Gardner — LB Coach
Orgeron — Asst. HC, Recruiting Coord & DL coach
Chaney — Co-OC, Running Game Coordinator and OL coach
? — Co-OC, Passing Game Coordinator and WR/TE Coach
Reaves — RB Coach
James Cregg — ???
Gran — ST Coach
we cant afford it
Tennessee is a poor state school, but their boosters are light years ahead of us and basically run the show. Kiffin asked for more money; no problem, he got it and hired Orgeron. It took us several years to get the ball rolling on Jeff Bowden’s buyout, which was chump change compared to what these UT coaches are making. It took a hot-shot agent to force our hand to keep Jimbo around. And now we are stuck in the mud with bobby and his crew on defense… we are just waiting around for something to happen.
This dysfunctional coaching hiarchy is not helping us reach our goals.
hmm
i thought FSU was fine with money. With all the guys we have in the NFL we should have the same amount of $$$ as tennessee boosters. I heard steve smith from carolina panthers gave utah $250k scholarship for wrs. Nice to see people giving back to their former school.
I’m guessing most of the programs booster $$$ comes from alums and not former sports players?
If anyone could make a top 10 list on what schools have the most booster money, that would be interesting. I like too soak up as much knowledge as i can on here :)
by Cee on Jan 7, 2009 4:17 PM EST up reply actions
i took a class when I was at FSU
I was all against Title 9, thinking football should be exempt. That was when I learned there are less then 15 schools that make BIG $ from football. We are a profitable program, but there is a whole other level when talking about schools like Alabama, Texas, and a few others. If I remember correctly, even UF gets more $ then we do.
Just throwing this out there
You don’t neccessarily need big name coaches to be successful. I would rather we try and grab up smaller coaches that have had success (Mike London for example) as long as they fit into what Jimbo wants to do with this team. I find you are more likely to hold onto these coaches for a longer period of time as opposed to a bigger name coach that will more quickly come up in coaching searches.
Well I think we get jimbo into Office
Then FSUncensored becomes the DC. I would take a role but Im going to be the prez of the bowl comit. and make the honolulu bowl the NC game and All pleople on this site will have free tic. every year and get a week free with all the jaz. That and FSU gets a free bid if they are ranked in the top 5. dont want to get carried away with that.
Thats a great staff
Tennessee has on paper. Im very curious to see what Monte’s d will do in the college game.
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