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Bonus Recruiting News (Jarvis Byrd, Chuck Amato, and Phillip Thomas)

I'm pretty sure the NCAA has issued its ruling on our probation and scholarship losses.  Why?  Matt was locked out of their server with the new rulings today, with a message that read "

Your Name:
Who should receive the password in an e-mail?
Director of Athletics, Mr. Randall Spetman
Faculty Athletics Representative, Dr. Joe Beckham
Senior Woman Administrator, Ms. Kellie Elliott
Compliance Coordinator, Mr. Brian J. Battle
Sports Information Director, Mrs. Tina Dechausay

Only those five could read the report.  Keep that in mind as we discuss these two Bonus updates, courtesy SoFlaFootball.com

Star-divide

Coley and Amato, Jimbo, and Dawsey hit up "The Muck" today (Glades Central and probably Pahokee).

 

Amato disrespects Thomas

No visit to Edison and no phone call to Phillip Thomas. "I know what means, but it's alright," said Thomas. Flies to Western Michigan tomorrow. (SoFlaFootball)

That's downright rude by Chuck.  Twice now, Amato has told Thomas that he would watch his tape/ call/ visit, and twice Chuck has stood Thomas up.  I understand if the school figured out that their self-imposed penalties were a joke and that the NCAA decided to hit us hard, but at least have the common courtesy to call the kid and explain the situation.  

Chuck Amato: burning bridges, buying bras.  

I am now going to work on the "Chuck Amato South Florida Recruit Tracker".  It should take me approximately... no time, as he has only recruited one prospect in his three years since being fired from NC State.  Chuck was supposed to be our leader in our foray back into South Florida.  Apparently it takes more than wearing Gucci glasses and red pleather shoes to be able to recruit south Florida.  

Amato is seriously hurting FSU.  He is a terrible coach, his players are completely unaware of the game around them, he's probably going to help Nigel Bradham become one of the biggest underachievers ever.  In addition, people openly laugh at him in the recruiting world and at coaching camps.  Pathetic, Chuck.

Outside of Bowden and Mickey (because they are obviously leaving), no coach is more frequently mentioned when someone discusses the negative recruiting tactics being employed against FSU.

Here's hoping he sells his damn house in North Carolina so that Anne Bowden can rest assured he'll be okay if Bobby is forced to fire his worthless friend.  

Would Amato get another job of similar stature at any other major university?  (Apply this test to our other coaches for a sad reality check)

 

Jarvis Byrd

While Amato continues to challenge for title "most worthless coach ever", we have other news to tend to.

Luke has the report on Jarvis Byrd

Being in the Muck today, got to talk to someone close to Byrd. He mentioned the kid's had a different school at the top every time I talked to him. Apparently the flavor recently has been FSU. With the 'Noles getting the final weekend visit, I'm thinking it will be tough to beat them.

Good story from Luke, so check it out.

I'm glad we went to visit him.  I'm not sure all of our coaches know how to use the phone.  Being first or last is clearly the key here.  We'll show Jarvis how poorly we've done recruiting cornerbacks and he'll jump at the opportunity to compete for a starting spot at a major school.  

With the NCAA stuff coming out, it's easy to see why we'd string Byrd out a bit.

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You have more connections then me, maybe you can answer this. Does Bobby even care anymore about the University. It sounds like a ridiculous question, but how could he not see how detrimental Amato is to the program? I just dont understand, I really dont.

by Miaminole on Jan 7, 2009 9:36 PM EST reply actions  

Can we get Amato fired

Our goal is simple: Best in the land

by FSUSOM on Jan 7, 2009 9:36 PM EST reply actions  

On a side note. . . . .

the Pahokee bra store got a big boost in business today.

Our goal is simple: Best in the land

by FSUSOM on Jan 7, 2009 9:40 PM EST reply actions  

Seriously there has got to be a way to get Amato out.

I don’t know how long the Get Jeff Bowden Fired/Hired movement took, but Amato’s last name isn’t Bowden. He is not in blood relation to the Bowdens. He is a member of the old regime and has distinct ties there, but it can’t be near as painful to get him out as Jeff Bowden. What can we do to influence this? firechuckamato.com is real, but it was last owned by NC State fans. Not sure if that puts any more pressure on TK and Bobby anyway.

Seriously, what can we do?

How much is a full page ad in the Democrat? I’m gonna do some research. I’ll post whatever I find out.

by NOLEinTX on Jan 7, 2009 9:48 PM EST reply actions  

email barrage urging Chuck to retire

perhaps throwing in some free bras?

Our goal is simple: Best in the land

by FSUSOM on Jan 7, 2009 9:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Gainesville Sun would make national news

but it would be worth it

Our goal is simple: Best in the land

by FSUSOM on Jan 7, 2009 10:03 PM EST up reply actions  

FSUuncensored:

(480)505-8877 is the contact number for GoDaddy.com

'Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football.' John Heisman

by Nattylite on Jan 7, 2009 10:20 PM EST up reply actions  

This guy's contact info.

Registrant:
Douglas Spicer
1116 Scaleybark Road

  1. 319-B
    Charlotte, North Carolina 28209-4534
    United States

Registered through: GoDaddy.com, Inc. (http://www.godaddy.com)
Domain Name: FIRECHUCKAMATO.COM
Created on: 13-Dec-04
Expires on: 13-Dec-09
Last Updated on: 24-Nov-08

Administrative Contact:
Spicer, Douglas devon162@yahoo.com
1116 Scaleybark Road

  1. 319-B
    Charlotte, North Carolina 28209-4534
    United States
    7045551212

by Bud Elliott on Jan 8, 2009 12:28 AM EST up reply actions  

Too bad his contract wasn't up on 13 Dec 08. This would be pretty cheap. $10/year from godaddy.com

Maybe this guy will feel sympathy for us and give us the reins. He’s already paid for the current 12 month subscription.

You can get a .biz account for $15/year. We could make it FireChuckAmatosBoob.biz —I would add the possessive apostrophe, but it’s obviously not a valid character in a web address.

by NOLEinTX on Jan 8, 2009 12:48 AM EST up reply actions  

I would rather fire all of Chuck Amato, not just his boob

by evenflow58 on Jan 8, 2009 8:05 AM EST up reply actions  

Instead

Could we do HireChuckAmato.com? I think its a much better option to leave another university with him.

by UNFNOLE on Jan 8, 2009 9:58 AM EST up reply actions  

Especially if the backsotry

is that the Tallahasee Democrat was offered, but wouldn’t run the ad.

"Your eyes can decieve you. Don't trust them." Obi-Wan Kenobi, the first sabermetrician...

by Curtain Jerker on Jan 8, 2009 12:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Chuck couldn't even give Thomas a call?

That’s just dumb. Respect won’t ever be gained if it isn’t given first. Maybe he’s not the right fit, maybe we’re going to get hit by the NCAA and there is no room… whatever the case may be, common courtesy is key. Word gets around quickly about incidents like this, especially since this was a second chance for Amato visiting the kid and finally keeping his word.

I can’t wait until the last remnants of the old guard are gone. The only coach other than Fisher, Trickett, Coley and Dawsey I’d like to see stay is Odell Haggins. The rest can pack their bags and hit the road when Bobby FINALLY does as far as I’m concerned. Carter’s not bad, but we don’t have time to babysit a coach when it comes to recruiting.

'Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football.' John Heisman

by Nattylite on Jan 7, 2009 10:17 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

It is just Chuck's lack of respect for everyone around him. That is including his fellows coaches.

And of course, recruits.

hey ncensored. We can bash Amato all we want now, can’t we? Photoshops would be nice.

Our goal is simple: Best in the land

by FSUSOM on Jan 7, 2009 10:25 PM EST up reply actions  

You can bash Amato within reason as long as you stay within the rules of this site

I can’t have people making threats of violence and cursing. We’re trying to keep this site readable for those at work.

by Bud Elliott on Jan 7, 2009 11:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Chuckles the clown must go.

"Unless a grain of wheat is buried in the ground, dead to the world, it is never any more than a grain of wheat. But if it is buried, it sprouts and reproduces itself many times over. In the same way, anyone who holds on to life just as it is destroys that life. But if you let it go, reckless in your love, you'll have it forever, real and eternal. If any of you wants to serve me, then follow me"

by FSUvaFan on Jan 7, 2009 11:50 PM EST up reply actions  

i’m gonna hafta start medicating myself before i read this site. Seeing what amato does makes my blood boil. Especially when no one does anything about it and lets him stay. That’s even worse

by Cee on Jan 7, 2009 10:26 PM EST reply actions  

I am not sticking up for Chuck Amato by asking this:

Are all coaches responsible for recruiting? seems like an obvious question but before I totally jump on the “Chuck must go” train, I want to know is there any possible excuse for what is going on?

Was there a possible limit to the amount of phone calls that the coaches ran up against and therefore couldnt call Thomas? I mean, what the heck is going on?!?!

"Unless a grain of wheat is buried in the ground, dead to the world, it is never any more than a grain of wheat. But if it is buried, it sprouts and reproduces itself many times over. In the same way, anyone who holds on to life just as it is destroys that life. But if you let it go, reckless in your love, you'll have it forever, real and eternal. If any of you wants to serve me, then follow me"

by FSUvaFan on Jan 7, 2009 10:30 PM EST reply actions  

There is a possibility,

but since they were in Miami, it seems pretty rude. Why would Chuck say he’d call if he didn’t have an available call.

This seems to reflect what we often hear about our program— lack of leadership, no accountability, laughable organization, little planning, etc.

Are all coaches responsible for recruiting?

Yes. There are obvious examples of coaches who aren’t good recruiters, but teams offset those with good recruiters. Amato was brought in because of his recruiting ability!

We have (for recruiting):
Bobby- irrelevant according to everyone who doesn’t work for FSU or depend on FSU for their living
Mickey- never much of a recruiter (still my fave FSU coach, however)
Chuck- Failing miserably
Carter- Can’t pass his recruiting test
Jody Allen- decent recruiter who gets his recruiting rep pumped up because he outshines the guys above by a big margin.

Think of how hard Dawsey, Coley, Jimbo, and O’Dell are working to keep us where we are.

by Bud Elliott on Jan 7, 2009 11:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah I though Chuck was touted as going to be a great recruiter for us...

Wow. It is so frustrating and ridiculous that its hard to believe.

"Unless a grain of wheat is buried in the ground, dead to the world, it is never any more than a grain of wheat. But if it is buried, it sprouts and reproduces itself many times over. In the same way, anyone who holds on to life just as it is destroys that life. But if you let it go, reckless in your love, you'll have it forever, real and eternal. If any of you wants to serve me, then follow me"

by FSUvaFan on Jan 7, 2009 11:14 PM EST up reply actions  

PS- Chuck could have said he would call but then realize he didn't have enough calls because

another coach made a call in the meantime… anyway that could go on and on. Point is that the proof of his ineptitude is in the results.

"Unless a grain of wheat is buried in the ground, dead to the world, it is never any more than a grain of wheat. But if it is buried, it sprouts and reproduces itself many times over. In the same way, anyone who holds on to life just as it is destroys that life. But if you let it go, reckless in your love, you'll have it forever, real and eternal. If any of you wants to serve me, then follow me"

by FSUvaFan on Jan 7, 2009 11:16 PM EST up reply actions  

That's also possible. I hope that is the case.

One thing I often hear is that when Jimbo takes over, he will restructure our recruiting practices. Saban is renowned as the most organized recruiter, and Jimbo definitely picked up some of that.

by Bud Elliott on Jan 7, 2009 11:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Lets hope so... we need it.

Despite all of this though we are pulling in a decent class. Good is the enemy of great though isnt it…

"Unless a grain of wheat is buried in the ground, dead to the world, it is never any more than a grain of wheat. But if it is buried, it sprouts and reproduces itself many times over. In the same way, anyone who holds on to life just as it is destroys that life. But if you let it go, reckless in your love, you'll have it forever, real and eternal. If any of you wants to serve me, then follow me"

by FSUvaFan on Jan 7, 2009 11:26 PM EST up reply actions  

"One thing I often hear is that when Jimbo takes over, he will restructure our recruiting practices."

I needed this today. Thank you. I remind myself as often as I can that Jimbo is a Saban disciple, and he’s here for a job that he should excel at when he is finally given the opportunity.

I’m so far beyond my wits’ end with this, I can’t tell you.

by TRMNole on Jan 8, 2009 9:27 AM EST up reply actions  

It’d be a fair thought if this was just one instance but this is a trend.

by evenflow58 on Jan 8, 2009 8:08 AM EST up reply actions  

dont forget trickett

Whether he goes out on the trail or not, his name is a tool for skill positions, not to mention hard working hoss’ who want to be under his tutelage.

by Miaminole on Jan 8, 2009 9:08 AM EST up reply actions  

Trickett

Might be better for skill recruiting than OLine recruiting. OLinemen know it’s very tough to play for CRT, but skill guys love his results.

by Bud Elliott on Jan 8, 2009 1:13 PM EST up reply actions  

A friend of mine was the head coach

in the central Florida area for a few seasons. He has loved getting to know Trickett. I think more than impressing parents (which may or may not be his strong suite) he impresses coaches. A good relationship between coaches and recruiters is extremely important. Kids really respect their coaches opinions.

by UNFNOLE on Jan 8, 2009 4:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Jeff Jagz

This isnt the right thread for this but thank god Jagz is out at B.C. He’s had our number the last few years. Maybe we can go back to dominating them.

by FSUBrad on Jan 7, 2009 11:35 PM EST reply actions  

Are you serious

Amato is really pissing me off. That is unprofessional to do that. His job is to recruit these kids and he tells Thomas he will visit him at school, and he dosent even bother to call him. Man we need to get someone else on this kid.

by fsunole23 on Jan 7, 2009 11:37 PM EST reply actions  

Thomas is ours for the taking

You can read what he says in every soflafootball.com article and it’s just screaming that he wants to play at FSU. How long before some other schools realize that he wants to play at a bigger school than these second tier Michigan schools? He takes no woo’ing whatsoever. If we offer him money he is ours. It’s that simple.

It seems to be consensus that everyone here wants him. Is he being talked up on other FSU football forums? If not we may want to go put in plugs on these. Some members of the staff have to peruse these sites once in a while just out of curiosity. Surely some hate what we say about them on this site, but others probably chuckle when they read the articles and the subsequent comments. I think that Thomas sells himself and linking his highlight reel to other sites will fire up others. One of our coaches has got to see his highlight film and ask Amato about him.

I feel that we owe him some gratitude for being patient and not being burned by Amato…. yet. This may have been the last straw though. I wouldn’t want to play at FSU after being shunned like he has.

by NOLEinTX on Jan 8, 2009 12:15 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm not so mad we haven't offered yet

The NCAA ruling clearly is in play here.

I AM angry with how we are treating kids. Specifcially, there needs to be greater coach-coach accountability, much like you suggested.

Fisher needs to be able to say “Look Boobs, stop screwing around. How about being a team player. How is ____ _____’s recruitment going.” Unfortunately, Amato is one of Bowden’s cronies, so that won’t happen/

by Bud Elliott on Jan 8, 2009 12:31 AM EST up reply actions  

I’ve heard many coaches (Urban Meyer for example) say that they’ll look at the recruiting sites every now and again. I don’t know that they look at the message boards but you’d be a fool to not take advantage of every last bit of information you have at your disposal.

by evenflow58 on Jan 8, 2009 8:10 AM EST up reply actions  

Read Feldman's recruiting book

Don’t let managers of pay sites dissuade you on the influence (negative) they potentially have in the recruiting game.

by CaStauch on Jan 8, 2009 10:16 AM EST up reply actions  

It was a quote from Meyer on a newspaper article on recruiting. I wouldn’t repeat it if it was just from a pay site.

I think they used it to get a feel for what prospects are out there and look at video, which would make sense to me. Reading about a prospect would not.

by evenflow58 on Jan 8, 2009 12:20 PM EST up reply actions  

So I just read a story on Byrd

WTF are we doing.

http://today.sportingnews.com/sportingnewstoday/20081229/?pg=2

by tdchrisdavis on Jan 8, 2009 10:24 AM EST reply actions  

Hopefully is just a phone issue

We dont need another Muck prospect pissed at us in the same conference (see Alphonso Smith)

by ChileanNole on Jan 8, 2009 10:39 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm speechless

trust me, i admit that i’m not nearly as knowledgeable as most on here when it comes to college recruiting but what i dont understand is how can our administration stand by and let this kind of stuff happen? Do you mean to tell me that Bobby doesn’t hear these type of things? That our AD doesn’t hear/read these same stories that we are reading and wonder what the hell is going on? Who trumps whom in this so called hierarchy we have in place which honestly to me better resembles the scribblings of a 3 year old with a crayon on a piece of construction paper.

using the NCAA is this situation is not a legitimate excuse, thats like my sister telling my mom that the reason she failed the exam was because when she went to class the professor ran out of tests (true story). Idiotssaywhat?

Why doesn’t someone grow a pair and start doing something to rectify this? Maybe there is a glitch in the system and Milton is still receiving his paycheck even though he was fired two years ago. If thats the case, move his desk to the basement, turn off all the lights, and dont supply Amato with anymore maxi pads

by Renegade11 on Jan 8, 2009 10:42 AM EST reply actions  

I agree with you 100%

Recruiting is not what it used to be anymore. It is not just the coaching staff getting together around a blackboard and coming up with a lists of prospects and then dividing it by either position or geographical area. It is out in the open. There are websites fully dedicated to recruiting (thank God for that!). we know everything the coaches do, who they call and visit, so you would hope the coaching staff would be aware too.

How this happens is beyond me and I would hope this would be the final straw, he is not helping he is hurting us in S.Fla!

by ChileanNole on Jan 8, 2009 10:57 AM EST up reply actions  

Did Chuck get the TPS memo?

I’ll have to get it to him.

Our goal is simple: Best in the land

by FSUSOM on Jan 8, 2009 6:01 PM EST up reply actions  

hey now!!

First of all, that movie is classic.

Secondly, its not that old lol. Im only 26 for cryin out loud.

And to continue the joke, Milton is appropriate, since he is burning down the program.

by Miaminole on Jan 8, 2009 8:23 PM EST up reply actions  

haha just checking

i’m only 25 and it just so happened that it was on HBO last night….

by Renegade11 on Jan 9, 2009 9:06 AM EST up reply actions  

I mean... the only way you can get away with that is if you KNOW you're getting fired, right?

How could a person honestly think that was an effective way of doing his job? Chuck Amato is dead to me…

Hopefully Jimbo and company took him on a fishing trip… I can see it now…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUuHsBqYoRk&feature=related

by MattDNole on Jan 8, 2009 11:24 AM EST reply actions  

Brilliant.

If a pair of Oakleys and a Victoria’s Secret BioFit Uplift bra wash up on the banks of the Okeechobee, we’ll have our answer.

by TRMNole on Jan 8, 2009 11:45 AM EST up reply actions  

There is nothing wrong with HGTV

………………………………………………….. is there?

by UNFNOLE on Jan 8, 2009 12:58 PM EST up reply actions  

I, for one, hope not.

Interesting to see we have that in common with Chuck.

I personally enjoy “What’s With That…. House”

by MattDNole on Jan 8, 2009 12:59 PM EST up reply actions  

So it's out there, eh?

I must confess if my wife has it on I don’t leave the room.

Expect when that one guy comes on. You Know Which Guy I’m Talking About. The Color Splash guy.

by TRMNole on Jan 8, 2009 1:27 PM EST up reply actions  

wow guys

HGTV? Seriously

The lowest I would go is Food Network (Bourdain and Zimmerman shows are good and they annoying guy from the Friday commercials too).

by ChileanNole on Jan 8, 2009 1:29 PM EST up reply actions  

HGTV < Food Network?

I didn’t realize.

I’ll talk to my wife.

by TRMNole on Jan 8, 2009 1:31 PM EST up reply actions  

No way man,

I’m with you. My wife makes me watch HGTV and I’m secretly ok with it. Except that stupid color lady. She’s awful.

by pbysh on Jan 8, 2009 1:41 PM EST up reply actions  

But you forgot

One hour dedicated to cleaning his hater blocker shades.

by ChileanNole on Jan 8, 2009 1:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Wow.

You’ve set the bar high, Matt. Some of the funniest FSU-related satire I’ve ever read.

by TRMNole on Jan 8, 2009 1:23 PM EST up reply actions  

helium

LOL

Good stuff

Shouldn’t inhaling helium from 500 gal tank fit in there somewhere?

by montverdenole on Jan 8, 2009 3:13 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t know much about Amato. He has an impressive resume, it looks like he could be a DC at another D1 school. Why all the hate now? Wasn’t he good for FSU back in the 90s (before my time)? What happened? Being the HC at NCSU spoiled him?

by Jaguar on Jan 8, 2009 4:03 PM EST reply actions  

What has he done since he got back to FSU?

"Your eyes can decieve you. Don't trust them." Obi-Wan Kenobi, the first sabermetrician...

by Curtain Jerker on Jan 8, 2009 4:27 PM EST up reply actions  

He was basically a terrible coach for NC State

He upgraded their facilities. He had Phillip Rivers as his QB (tremendous help). He alienated a lot of high school coaches in NC and the turnover on his staff was very, very high. He’s really lazy and doesn’t get along with the other coaches.

Think of a spoiled child who can do whatever he wants because his dad is the coach.

Our linebackers play like garbage compared to linebackers from other schools of a similar talent level.

He has pulled in ONE south florida recruit in THREE years (and most people were against taking the kid, who is a total bust) He was supposed to be our ace SoFla recruiter. Now he’s tarnishing FSU’s image in South Florida.

Can’t coach + can’t recruit + treat people like garbage. But he’s Bobby’s friend.

by Bud Elliott on Jan 8, 2009 4:52 PM EST up reply actions  

FSUncensored: check out this Warchant summary of the 'Hot Dozen' article

this is what it looks like to non subscribers:

With January upon us recruiting has hit the homestretch. Warchant.com takes a look at a dozen prospects who could help to fill the final scholarships available for the Seminoles 2009 signing class. Among the prospects mentioned is Quincy (FL) West Gadsden four-star defensive tackle Gary Brown. Come inside to see the hot dozen according to Warchant.com

hahahahahahahaha playing for subscriptions hahahah

Good business sense though.

Our goal is simple: Best in the land

by FSUSOM on Jan 8, 2009 6:47 PM EST reply actions  

look at the front page. . . .the first article

I can’t read Warchant either.

Our goal is simple: Best in the land

by FSUSOM on Jan 8, 2009 7:01 PM EST up reply actions  

hey uncensored

I ran into Chris in Orlando. Ive known him for years. I mentioned that I read here, and he said its a good site. I didnt know he was the guy who put the kibash on you..Tell you the truth, glad he did it. This is one of 3 sites I visit daily.

by Miaminole on Jan 8, 2009 8:26 PM EST up reply actions  

I didn't know he was the guy either, haha

They run a good site over there. It’s not their fault that FSU’s media policies have changed and their information has been choked off somewhat.

by Bud Elliott on Jan 9, 2009 1:10 AM EST up reply actions  

Easy to get around

You can start a FireChucky.com, FireAmato.com or Chucky’sBackNeedsToGoAgain.com

by DocHoliday2 on Jan 10, 2009 5:25 PM EST reply actions  

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