Bonus Recruiting News (Jarvis Byrd, Chuck Amato, and Phillip Thomas)
by Bud Elliott on Jan 7, 2009 9:28 PM EST
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I'm pretty sure the NCAA has issued its ruling on our probation and scholarship losses. Why? Matt was locked out of their server with the new rulings today, with a message that read "
Your Name:
Who should receive the password in an e-mail?
Director of Athletics, Mr. Randall Spetman
Faculty Athletics Representative, Dr. Joe Beckham
Senior Woman Administrator, Ms. Kellie Elliott
Compliance Coordinator, Mr. Brian J. Battle
Sports Information Director, Mrs. Tina Dechausay
Only those five could read the report. Keep that in mind as we discuss these two Bonus updates, courtesy SoFlaFootball.com
Coley and Amato, Jimbo, and Dawsey hit up "The Muck" today (Glades Central and probably Pahokee).
Amato disrespects Thomas
That's downright rude by Chuck. Twice now, Amato has told Thomas that he would watch his tape/ call/ visit, and twice Chuck has stood Thomas up. I understand if the school figured out that their self-imposed penalties were a joke and that the NCAA decided to hit us hard, but at least have the common courtesy to call the kid and explain the situation.
Chuck Amato: burning bridges, buying bras.
I am now going to work on the "Chuck Amato South Florida Recruit Tracker". It should take me approximately... no time, as he has only recruited one prospect in his three years since being fired from NC State. Chuck was supposed to be our leader in our foray back into South Florida. Apparently it takes more than wearing Gucci glasses and red pleather shoes to be able to recruit south Florida.
Amato is seriously hurting FSU. He is a terrible coach, his players are completely unaware of the game around them, he's probably going to help Nigel Bradham become one of the biggest underachievers ever. In addition, people openly laugh at him in the recruiting world and at coaching camps. Pathetic, Chuck.
Outside of Bowden and Mickey (because they are obviously leaving), no coach is more frequently mentioned when someone discusses the negative recruiting tactics being employed against FSU.
Here's hoping he sells his damn house in North Carolina so that Anne Bowden can rest assured he'll be okay if Bobby is forced to fire his worthless friend.
Would Amato get another job of similar stature at any other major university? (Apply this test to our other coaches for a sad reality check)
Jarvis Byrd
While Amato continues to challenge for title "most worthless coach ever", we have other news to tend to.
Luke has the report on Jarvis Byrd
Being in the Muck today, got to talk to someone close to Byrd. He mentioned the kid's had a different school at the top every time I talked to him. Apparently the flavor recently has been FSU. With the 'Noles getting the final weekend visit, I'm thinking it will be tough to beat them.
Good story from Luke, so check it out.
I'm glad we went to visit him. I'm not sure all of our coaches know how to use the phone. Being first or last is clearly the key here. We'll show Jarvis how poorly we've done recruiting cornerbacks and he'll jump at the opportunity to compete for a starting spot at a major school.
With the NCAA stuff coming out, it's easy to see why we'd string Byrd out a bit.
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You have more connections then me, maybe you can answer this. Does Bobby even care anymore about the University. It sounds like a ridiculous question, but how could he not see how detrimental Amato is to the program? I just dont understand, I really dont.
On a side note. . . . .
the Pahokee bra store got a big boost in business today.
Our goal is simple: Best in the land
Seriously there has got to be a way to get Amato out.
I don’t know how long the Get Jeff Bowden Fired/Hired movement took, but Amato’s last name isn’t Bowden. He is not in blood relation to the Bowdens. He is a member of the old regime and has distinct ties there, but it can’t be near as painful to get him out as Jeff Bowden. What can we do to influence this? firechuckamato.com is real, but it was last owned by NC State fans. Not sure if that puts any more pressure on TK and Bobby anyway.
Seriously, what can we do?
How much is a full page ad in the Democrat? I’m gonna do some research. I’ll post whatever I find out.
Unless he's busy watching USF game footage.
Maybe we post it next to the “softer side of Sear’s” bra ads.
Go Daddy
It’s registered on Go Daddy.
You can go look up the guy that owns it. GD posts his email and phone number for all the world to see.
by Nole_Fan_Til_I_Die on Jan 8, 2009 12:56 AM EST up reply actions
The Democrat won't run a full-page personal attack AD on an FSU coach
unless the coach is committing crimes or something.
email barrage urging Chuck to retire
perhaps throwing in some free bras?
Our goal is simple: Best in the land
Gainesville Sun would make national news
but it would be worth it
Our goal is simple: Best in the land
FSUuncensored:
(480)505-8877 is the contact number for GoDaddy.com
'Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football.' John Heisman
This guy's contact info.
Registrant:
Douglas Spicer
1116 Scaleybark Road
- 319-B
Charlotte, North Carolina 28209-4534
United States
Registered through: GoDaddy.com, Inc. (http://www.godaddy.com)
Domain Name: FIRECHUCKAMATO.COM
Created on: 13-Dec-04
Expires on: 13-Dec-09
Last Updated on: 24-Nov-08
Administrative Contact:
Spicer, Douglas devon162@yahoo.com
1116 Scaleybark Road
- 319-B
Charlotte, North Carolina 28209-4534
United States
7045551212
Too bad his contract wasn't up on 13 Dec 08. This would be pretty cheap. $10/year from godaddy.com
Maybe this guy will feel sympathy for us and give us the reins. He’s already paid for the current 12 month subscription.
You can get a .biz account for $15/year. We could make it FireChuckAmatosBoob.biz —I would add the possessive apostrophe, but it’s obviously not a valid character in a web address.
This could be the 1st Fire_____.com site to work Twice!
Can I get a .plz account?
As in FireChuckAmato.plz?
I will e-mail the guy and see if he wants to sell the site. I can’t run it, however (deal with SBNation), so we’d need a volunteer.
I know nothing about websites, but will contribute money if need be.
How we send money is another story.
Instead
Could we do HireChuckAmato.com? I think its a much better option to leave another university with him.
Especially if the backsotry
is that the Tallahasee Democrat was offered, but wouldn’t run the ad.
"Your eyes can decieve you. Don't trust them." Obi-Wan Kenobi, the first sabermetrician...
by Curtain Jerker on Jan 8, 2009 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
Chuck couldn't even give Thomas a call?
That’s just dumb. Respect won’t ever be gained if it isn’t given first. Maybe he’s not the right fit, maybe we’re going to get hit by the NCAA and there is no room… whatever the case may be, common courtesy is key. Word gets around quickly about incidents like this, especially since this was a second chance for Amato visiting the kid and finally keeping his word.
I can’t wait until the last remnants of the old guard are gone. The only coach other than Fisher, Trickett, Coley and Dawsey I’d like to see stay is Odell Haggins. The rest can pack their bags and hit the road when Bobby FINALLY does as far as I’m concerned. Carter’s not bad, but we don’t have time to babysit a coach when it comes to recruiting.
'Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football.' John Heisman
by Nattylite on Jan 7, 2009 10:17 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
It is just Chuck's lack of respect for everyone around him. That is including his fellows coaches.
And of course, recruits.
hey ncensored. We can bash Amato all we want now, can’t we? Photoshops would be nice.
Our goal is simple: Best in the land
You can bash Amato within reason as long as you stay within the rules of this site
I can’t have people making threats of violence and cursing. We’re trying to keep this site readable for those at work.
Chuckles the clown must go.
"Unless a grain of wheat is buried in the ground, dead to the world, it is never any more than a grain of wheat. But if it is buried, it sprouts and reproduces itself many times over. In the same way, anyone who holds on to life just as it is destroys that life. But if you let it go, reckless in your love, you'll have it forever, real and eternal. If any of you wants to serve me, then follow me"
I am not sticking up for Chuck Amato by asking this:
Are all coaches responsible for recruiting? seems like an obvious question but before I totally jump on the “Chuck must go” train, I want to know is there any possible excuse for what is going on?
Was there a possible limit to the amount of phone calls that the coaches ran up against and therefore couldnt call Thomas? I mean, what the heck is going on?!?!
"Unless a grain of wheat is buried in the ground, dead to the world, it is never any more than a grain of wheat. But if it is buried, it sprouts and reproduces itself many times over. In the same way, anyone who holds on to life just as it is destroys that life. But if you let it go, reckless in your love, you'll have it forever, real and eternal. If any of you wants to serve me, then follow me"
There is a possibility,
but since they were in Miami, it seems pretty rude. Why would Chuck say he’d call if he didn’t have an available call.
This seems to reflect what we often hear about our program— lack of leadership, no accountability, laughable organization, little planning, etc.
Are all coaches responsible for recruiting?
Yes. There are obvious examples of coaches who aren’t good recruiters, but teams offset those with good recruiters. Amato was brought in because of his recruiting ability!
We have (for recruiting):
Bobby- irrelevant according to everyone who doesn’t work for FSU or depend on FSU for their living
Mickey- never much of a recruiter (still my fave FSU coach, however)
Chuck- Failing miserably
Carter- Can’t pass his recruiting test
Jody Allen- decent recruiter who gets his recruiting rep pumped up because he outshines the guys above by a big margin.
Think of how hard Dawsey, Coley, Jimbo, and O’Dell are working to keep us where we are.
Yeah I though Chuck was touted as going to be a great recruiter for us...
Wow. It is so frustrating and ridiculous that its hard to believe.
"Unless a grain of wheat is buried in the ground, dead to the world, it is never any more than a grain of wheat. But if it is buried, it sprouts and reproduces itself many times over. In the same way, anyone who holds on to life just as it is destroys that life. But if you let it go, reckless in your love, you'll have it forever, real and eternal. If any of you wants to serve me, then follow me"
PS- Chuck could have said he would call but then realize he didn't have enough calls because
another coach made a call in the meantime… anyway that could go on and on. Point is that the proof of his ineptitude is in the results.
"Unless a grain of wheat is buried in the ground, dead to the world, it is never any more than a grain of wheat. But if it is buried, it sprouts and reproduces itself many times over. In the same way, anyone who holds on to life just as it is destroys that life. But if you let it go, reckless in your love, you'll have it forever, real and eternal. If any of you wants to serve me, then follow me"
That's also possible. I hope that is the case.
One thing I often hear is that when Jimbo takes over, he will restructure our recruiting practices. Saban is renowned as the most organized recruiter, and Jimbo definitely picked up some of that.
Lets hope so... we need it.
Despite all of this though we are pulling in a decent class. Good is the enemy of great though isnt it…
"Unless a grain of wheat is buried in the ground, dead to the world, it is never any more than a grain of wheat. But if it is buried, it sprouts and reproduces itself many times over. In the same way, anyone who holds on to life just as it is destroys that life. But if you let it go, reckless in your love, you'll have it forever, real and eternal. If any of you wants to serve me, then follow me"
"One thing I often hear is that when Jimbo takes over, he will restructure our recruiting practices."
I needed this today. Thank you. I remind myself as often as I can that Jimbo is a Saban disciple, and he’s here for a job that he should excel at when he is finally given the opportunity.
I’m so far beyond my wits’ end with this, I can’t tell you.
dont forget trickett
Whether he goes out on the trail or not, his name is a tool for skill positions, not to mention hard working hoss’ who want to be under his tutelage.
Trickett
Might be better for skill recruiting than OLine recruiting. OLinemen know it’s very tough to play for CRT, but skill guys love his results.
A friend of mine was the head coach
in the central Florida area for a few seasons. He has loved getting to know Trickett. I think more than impressing parents (which may or may not be his strong suite) he impresses coaches. A good relationship between coaches and recruiters is extremely important. Kids really respect their coaches opinions.
Jeff Jagz
This isnt the right thread for this but thank god Jagz is out at B.C. He’s had our number the last few years. Maybe we can go back to dominating them.
Are you serious
Amato is really pissing me off. That is unprofessional to do that. His job is to recruit these kids and he tells Thomas he will visit him at school, and he dosent even bother to call him. Man we need to get someone else on this kid.
Thomas is ours for the taking
You can read what he says in every soflafootball.com article and it’s just screaming that he wants to play at FSU. How long before some other schools realize that he wants to play at a bigger school than these second tier Michigan schools? He takes no woo’ing whatsoever. If we offer him money he is ours. It’s that simple.
It seems to be consensus that everyone here wants him. Is he being talked up on other FSU football forums? If not we may want to go put in plugs on these. Some members of the staff have to peruse these sites once in a while just out of curiosity. Surely some hate what we say about them on this site, but others probably chuckle when they read the articles and the subsequent comments. I think that Thomas sells himself and linking his highlight reel to other sites will fire up others. One of our coaches has got to see his highlight film and ask Amato about him.
I feel that we owe him some gratitude for being patient and not being burned by Amato…. yet. This may have been the last straw though. I wouldn’t want to play at FSU after being shunned like he has.
I'm not so mad we haven't offered yet
The NCAA ruling clearly is in play here.
I AM angry with how we are treating kids. Specifcially, there needs to be greater coach-coach accountability, much like you suggested.
Fisher needs to be able to say “Look Boobs, stop screwing around. How about being a team player. How is ____ _____’s recruitment going.” Unfortunately, Amato is one of Bowden’s cronies, so that won’t happen/
I’ve heard many coaches (Urban Meyer for example) say that they’ll look at the recruiting sites every now and again. I don’t know that they look at the message boards but you’d be a fool to not take advantage of every last bit of information you have at your disposal.
Read Feldman's recruiting book
Don’t let managers of pay sites dissuade you on the influence (negative) they potentially have in the recruiting game.
Coaches themselves probably do not, but their aides definitely do read and summarize sites like this.
I know the coaches have 4 accounts on a certain paysite…
Using all information is smart
So I just read a story on Byrd
WTF are we doing.
http://today.sportingnews.com/sportingnewstoday/20081229/?pg=2
Hopefully is just a phone issue
We dont need another Muck prospect pissed at us in the same conference (see Alphonso Smith)
I'm speechless
trust me, i admit that i’m not nearly as knowledgeable as most on here when it comes to college recruiting but what i dont understand is how can our administration stand by and let this kind of stuff happen? Do you mean to tell me that Bobby doesn’t hear these type of things? That our AD doesn’t hear/read these same stories that we are reading and wonder what the hell is going on? Who trumps whom in this so called hierarchy we have in place which honestly to me better resembles the scribblings of a 3 year old with a crayon on a piece of construction paper.
using the NCAA is this situation is not a legitimate excuse, thats like my sister telling my mom that the reason she failed the exam was because when she went to class the professor ran out of tests (true story). Idiotssaywhat?
Why doesn’t someone grow a pair and start doing something to rectify this? Maybe there is a glitch in the system and Milton is still receiving his paycheck even though he was fired two years ago. If thats the case, move his desk to the basement, turn off all the lights, and dont supply Amato with anymore maxi pads
I agree with you 100%
Recruiting is not what it used to be anymore. It is not just the coaching staff getting together around a blackboard and coming up with a lists of prospects and then dividing it by either position or geographical area. It is out in the open. There are websites fully dedicated to recruiting (thank God for that!). we know everything the coaches do, who they call and visit, so you would hope the coaching staff would be aware too.
How this happens is beyond me and I would hope this would be the final straw, he is not helping he is hurting us in S.Fla!
hey now!!
First of all, that movie is classic.
Secondly, its not that old lol. Im only 26 for cryin out loud.
And to continue the joke, Milton is appropriate, since he is burning down the program.
Matt, how do you feel about this?
You didn’t express any emotion or anything like that.
Our goal is simple: Best in the land
I mean... the only way you can get away with that is if you KNOW you're getting fired, right?
How could a person honestly think that was an effective way of doing his job? Chuck Amato is dead to me…
Hopefully Jimbo and company took him on a fishing trip… I can see it now…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUuHsBqYoRk&feature=related
Brilliant.
If a pair of Oakleys and a Victoria’s Secret BioFit Uplift bra wash up on the banks of the Okeechobee, we’ll have our answer.
Fish would start dying from hairspray poisoning.
And I’m not sure Chuck can be killed. He’s in too good of shape. Check out his daily routine. Written himself even. Exclusive to TomahawkNation
5AM- Wake up
5:05AM- Get left breast out of bed
5:12AM- Get right breast out of bed
5:20AM- Finally out of bed
5:25AM- Bathroom
5:57AM- Lay out 15 pairs of red shoes, 7 belts, 2 pairs of pants, 3 skirts (just in case today is the day), and shirt to choose to wear today
6:05AM- Breakfast
6:30AM- Chew broken glass
6:45AM- Shower
6:50AM- Second shower, this time in Aqua Velva
7:05AM- Get dressed
7:20AM- Gargle with battery acid
7:30AM- Drive to work
7:55AM- Paint fake eyes on eyelids
8:00AM- Fall asleep in film room (make sure eyelids pointed toward screen)
11:55AM- Lunch
12:30PM- Chew broken glass
12:45PM- SHOOOOE SAAAAAAALE!!!
1:00PM- Look fab-u-lous
3:00PM- Pretend to call a recruit, actually call sexy 1-900 number
4:52PM- Leave work (gotta beat the traffic home)
6:00PM- Dinner
6:30PM- Chew broken glass
8:00PM- Grey’s Anatomy or HGTV, can’t decide
9:00PM- Get ready for bed
9:01PM- Chew broken glass AND gargle with battery acid
9:02PM- Get right breast into bed
9:37PM- Get left breast into bed
10:00PM- Go to sleep
That’s a pretty full day if you ask me.
by MattDNole on Jan 8, 2009 11:59 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
I, for one, hope not.
Interesting to see we have that in common with Chuck.
I personally enjoy “What’s With That…. House”
So it's out there, eh?
I must confess if my wife has it on I don’t leave the room.
Expect when that one guy comes on. You Know Which Guy I’m Talking About. The Color Splash guy.
wow guys
HGTV? Seriously
The lowest I would go is Food Network (Bourdain and Zimmerman shows are good and they annoying guy from the Friday commercials too).
No way man,
I’m with you. My wife makes me watch HGTV and I’m secretly ok with it. Except that stupid color lady. She’s awful.
helium
LOL
Good stuff
Shouldn’t inhaling helium from 500 gal tank fit in there somewhere?
by montverdenole on Jan 8, 2009 3:13 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t know much about Amato. He has an impressive resume, it looks like he could be a DC at another D1 school. Why all the hate now? Wasn’t he good for FSU back in the 90s (before my time)? What happened? Being the HC at NCSU spoiled him?
What has he done since he got back to FSU?
"Your eyes can decieve you. Don't trust them." Obi-Wan Kenobi, the first sabermetrician...
by Curtain Jerker on Jan 8, 2009 4:27 PM EST up reply actions
He was basically a terrible coach for NC State
He upgraded their facilities. He had Phillip Rivers as his QB (tremendous help). He alienated a lot of high school coaches in NC and the turnover on his staff was very, very high. He’s really lazy and doesn’t get along with the other coaches.
Think of a spoiled child who can do whatever he wants because his dad is the coach.
Our linebackers play like garbage compared to linebackers from other schools of a similar talent level.
He has pulled in ONE south florida recruit in THREE years (and most people were against taking the kid, who is a total bust) He was supposed to be our ace SoFla recruiter. Now he’s tarnishing FSU’s image in South Florida.
Can’t coach + can’t recruit + treat people like garbage. But he’s Bobby’s friend.
I know if I was a coach I would blow off and burn bridges with recruits to the best of my ability.
Our goal is simple: Best in the land
FSUncensored: check out this Warchant summary of the 'Hot Dozen' article
this is what it looks like to non subscribers:
With January upon us recruiting has hit the homestretch. Warchant.com takes a look at a dozen prospects who could help to fill the final scholarships available for the Seminoles 2009 signing class. Among the prospects mentioned is Quincy (FL) West Gadsden four-star defensive tackle Gary Brown. Come inside to see the hot dozen according to Warchant.com
hahahahahahahaha playing for subscriptions hahahah
Good business sense though.
Our goal is simple: Best in the land
look at the front page. . . .the first article
I can’t read Warchant either.
Our goal is simple: Best in the land
hey uncensored
I ran into Chris in Orlando. Ive known him for years. I mentioned that I read here, and he said its a good site. I didnt know he was the guy who put the kibash on you..Tell you the truth, glad he did it. This is one of 3 sites I visit daily.
I didn't know he was the guy either, haha
They run a good site over there. It’s not their fault that FSU’s media policies have changed and their information has been choked off somewhat.
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