Does Florida State already have its sanctions in hand? Parsing the NCAA Bylaws
by Bud Elliott on Jan 9, 2009 1:47 AM EST
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No announcement has been made on the punishments resulting from "Music appreciatorgate", but there is reason to believe that the NCAA has already handed down its punishment to FSU.
As you probably know, Florida State is due to lose some scholarships and possibly forfeit some games as a result of the scandal.
FSU officials initially expected to receive notification before Christmas. As of 1.08.09, nobody has announced anything. So why do we now believe that FSU has in fact received notice of the committee's action?
We've been tracking the committee's progress via the NCAA.org website. Yesterday, MattDNole tried to log in, and received this message:
Your Name:
Who should receive the password in an e-mail?
Director of Athletics, Mr. Randall Spetman
Faculty Athletics Representative, Dr. Joe Beckham
Senior Woman Administrator, Ms. Kellie Elliott
Compliance Coordinator, Mr. Brian J. Battle
Sports Information Director, Mrs. Tina Dechausay
Yesterday around 2PM Eastern, only those five FSU employees could log in to view what we'd been reading for days. This seemed pretty off
Let's have a review of the relevant NCAA Bylaws
32.9 NOTIFICATION OF COMMITTEE ON INFRACTIONS ACTION
32.9.1 Infractions Report. The Committee on Infractions, without prior public announcement, shall be
obligated to submit promptly an infractions report, to the chancellor or president of the institution (with copies to
those individuals receiving copies of the notice of allegations) and to all involved individuals, as defined in Bylaw 32.1.5.The following procedures shall apply to the infractions report:
(a) After an institutional hearing, the Committee on Infractions shall prepare and approve the final infractions
report; (Revised: 10/12/94)
(b) The infractions report(s) of the Committee on Infractions and the Infractions Appeals Committee shall contain
a consolidated statement of all findings and penalties, corrective actions, requirements, and other conditions
and obligations of membership imposed on an institution found in violation of NCAA legislation.
The statement of such actions shall include, but not be limited to, the penalties imposed on the institution,
eligibility rules to be applied, applicable executive regulations, the adjustment of individual and team standings
in NCAA championship events, and the request for the return of any awards and net receipts received for
participation in an NCAA championship; and (Revised: 10/12/94, 4/24/03, 1/13/08)
(c) The Committee on Infractions' infractions report shall be sent to the chancellor or president of the involved
institution and any involved individuals under the chair's signature or under the signature of a Committee
on Infractions member selected to act for the chair. In addition, the Committee on Infractions will notify all
involved individuals directly of the appeal opportunities outlined in Bylaws 32.9 and 32.10. The report shall
be sent by overnight mail service, and the Committee on Infractions' administrator shall confirm receipt by
the institution and involved individuals in order that the 15-day appeal period applicable to this report may
be established. (Revised: 10/12/94, 3/8/06, 1/13/08)
32.9.1 basically means that the committee will send the report to the university upon completion. Once the University signs that they have received the package, their 15-day window to appeal begins to run.
What about us? We want to see the report! Just how bad did the committee smack TK for his inept handling of the situation? Do they take kindly to Cowboy politics?
Luckily, rule 32.9.2 addresses this:
32.9.2 Release to Media. Once the infractions report has been received by the institution and involved individuals, the report, with names of individuals deleted, shall be made available to the national wire services and other media outlets. (Revised: 1/13/08)
32.9.2.1 Public Comment Prior to Release. The Committee on Infractions' public announcement related to an infractions case shall be made available to the national wire services and other media outlets. In this regard, the involved institution and/or any involved individuals shall be advised of the text of the announcement prior to its release and shall be requested not to comment publicly concerning the case prior to the time the NCAA's public announcement is released. (Revised: 4/24/03)
32.9.2.2 Public Announcement and Comment at Release. The chair or a member of the Committee on Infractions shall make the Committee on Infractions' public announcement related to major infractions when the Committee on Infractions determines that an announcement is warranted in addition to distribution of the written report.
There we go. FSU gets to look this over a bit before the NCAA makes their announcement.
When can we expect to get our hands on this?
If the University does have it as we suspect, I think we can expect to get this Friday, Monday, or Tuesday.
It wouldn't make sense for FSU to release this while UF is playing for the National Championship. Tomorrow or Monday are a better PR move.
The sooner the better, however, as we need to get a better grip on the scholarship numbers we are working with.
What do I think will happen?
I think the punishments we suggested were too light. FSU proposed that they should lose 2 scholarships in 2009 and 3 in 2010.
I think we will see a middle ground between these two extremes:
WORST CASE: FSU loses 18 scholarships over 3 years and forfiets all wins from the 2007 season.
BEST CASE: The NCAA does not add any additional sanctions to the previously proposed punishment.
PROBABLE: FSU loses 8 scholarships over 3 years and no forfieture of games.
* I definitely expect the scholarship reductions to last at least three years and not the two years FSU recommended.
This could be a very interesting Friday...
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Actually the best scenario is forteiture of all 2007 games with no scholarship reductions. This way there is no reason for BB to hang around. Part of the staff can be fired and eveybody can move on. I personally declare JoePa the winner.
Totally agree, just didn't want to start the flame war.
Bowden’s wins against D1-AA schools shouldn’t count unless Eddie Robinson’s count.
Agreed, that would be the best overall, just because I'd rather see a mediocre season wiped off the books than lose scholarships
18 scholarships though, that could be killer. Though considering it was in the realm of possibility that we would have gotten the worst NCAA reprimand since they gave SMU the Death Penalty at the start of this, could have ended worse.
"I smoke. If this bothers anyone, I suggest you look around at the world in which we live and shut your mouth."-Bill Hicks
by Jonathan Loesche on Jan 9, 2009 7:54 AM EST up reply actions
I'm with Doc on this...
Beautifully said.
Perhaps the NCAA will help us along in Bowden’s race against time/Paterno.
I’m ready for Fisher to hire his own staff. The first casualty will be Chuck Amato.
'Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football.' John Heisman
I can't believe Doc would suggest something so harsh on the university...
We all love, plus I can’t believe I agree whole heartedly with it. Take last night’s game as a reference. When they showed the sidelines of both teams and coaches were in view, could you find any over the age of 45, with the exception of Bob Stoops who is 48? Its time to put the geriatrics to bed and if it takes a punishment like the worst case scenario that Uncensored mentioned then so be it. I believe we have the coach in Fisher who can bring FSU back to nation relevance.
Off Subject - Champs Bowl
Hey guys…this is off subject but did anyone read the ACC Blog on ESPN and see that the Champs Bowl Game was the second most watched in ESPN history. Guess the Gator Bowl selection committee got it wrong!
I did
According to Nielsen and ESPN this is the 3rd year in a row that FSU has set a record for viewers of its bowl game. The 2006 Emerald Bowl and 2007 Music City Bowl had record viewers when FSU. Also the attendance record for the Champs Sports Bowl was set this year. FSU has 2 of the top 3 most watched BCS games with the 2000 Sugar Bowl and the 2001 Orange Bowl. I’m eager to see what the ratings were for last’s title game. I don’t think they’ll be that great.
well it helps that
FSU vs Wis. That could have been a good match up. Wis has a great fan base just like the packers. Then you throw FSU in there. People want to know we are not on top right now but FSU still has very good games. I also think it kinda like howard stern you dont watch him because you like him you watch him to see what they are going to do next.
after what happened last night..
Bobby needs to go. All nostalgia is out the window. I hope the penalty is harsh enough that he has to go. This is killing me man. I managed to avoid watching the game last night, and had a good feeling I might wake up to an upset. Then all the sudden,I get a text message. The contents were “3” Thats all it took for my night to be ruined. We are being lapped here.
God, I hate Tebow/ UF so much.
totally agree
I don’t want to be this cynical with my thoughts but it almost seems that Bobby would rather kill the program that he has built up so high rather than see it flourish without him.
by lildrunknole on Jan 9, 2009 10:22 AM EST up reply actions
Mickey's Coming Back
At a PC today Bobby announced him and Mickey are both coming back next year. Bobby has not signed his yearly contract yet and Trickett still has not got his extension.
Nothing of course.
Matt, you would have flipped listening to this thing. On Trickett: “We’d sure hate to lose him.” On D’Vo: (Just an example, I couldn’t f***ing care less about anything right now.) “I haven’t talked to him, and I don’t know if Jimbo has either.” Go find out! Right now! We have time, grab your cell phone! Are you freaking kidding me!! How much more of this? Seriously. Today? After last night??
I’m going to lunch.
MattD...
Doesn’t ebay provide service in his area?
'Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football.' John Heisman
I don't know about the ebay.
The google was on the tv the other night, but Ann usually deals with that stuff.
Let's not forget the fact:
Bobby is really old. If Chuck and Mickey are gone he won’t know anybody else’s name and get confused. He’ll wander the halls of the Moore Athletic Center wearing a bath robe and using a walker with tennis balls on the bottom. We don’t want that.
I guess we have to continue to let him eat his pudding and sit at his desk. Just make sure somebody comes by 2-3 times a day to feed him, change him, and give him his medication.
(In case you haven’t noticed, guys, after last night I’m taking the gloves off. Bobby (and Chuck)doesn’t care about me as a fan and I don’t feel any need to respect them as coaches anymore.)
I'm with you Matt
I took the gloves off after the UF game this year, when we got spanked for the fifth straight year, in our home stadium.
I have yet to find a legitimate reason for status quo, other than football isn’t as important as loyalty. But, that’s a whole philosophical arena that I’m not even going to begin to discuss. We are enduring permanant damage, and if not permanent, then damage that we will not overcome for many years.
This dysfunctional coaching hiarchy is not helping us reach our goals.
Contract Extensions...
1. Jimbo Fisher
2. Rick Trickett
3. Odell Haggins
Everyone else should be a tertiary objective.
I hope Bowden and Mickey are making this next season their going away tour. If not, we’re in trouble. Someone is the administration is going to have to grow some cahoonas.
'Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football.' John Heisman
We've got 7 years of quantitative evidence to support the fact that Bobby will not get rid of his coaches unless
He’s either forced to or the coaches in question are forced to behind his back. In his own irrefutable words, Blood is thicker than Water. Water, in this case, is the blood of all those with a vested interest in FSU but not the greater Bobby Bowden clan.
The only possible avenue for changes to occur this offseason is the impending coaches conference convention. With Trickett still not resigned, and Jimbo obviously antsy, and Bobby’s (not gonna lie, admirable in its perseverence) intransigence, either there we will lose those that we cannot lose, and the effects on recruiting, transfers, general feeling of the program will be swifty detrimental and catastrophic (paired with sanctions).
Or, (the more likely of the two) there will be no changes whatsoever (Do you guys really believe Bobby is going to allow Mickey and Chuck, both of whom are virtually his only support group left save the ever-dwindling booster network that consider themselves fans of Bobby before fans of FSU, to be fired? Nah….)
If thats the case, FSU will continue on this slow decay. That’s worse, in my book.
who are we kidding
i still don’t see bowden retiring if they take away our 2007 wins, therefore, I hope they don’t just from a publicity standpoint. Wins is just one of the several selfish reasons Bowden is still around.
maybe my opinion is skewed because I cheated from time to time in my day in the classroom, but I don’t understand why the NCAA would try to further lay down the hammer, unless they have a personal vendetta against FSU. We are taking away scholarships and we suspended the players for two key games (bowl and wake, which were both losses might I add). They cheated in one stupid internet class about Music. Gimme a break.
Would I trade the 2007 wins for Bobby to retire? Absolutely. But I have my doubts that would happen.
This dysfunctional coaching hiarchy is not helping us reach our goals.
It's because TK handled the situation poorly.
I want them taken away because Bowden doesn’t deserve the record. Period. Paterno is much more deserving.
Bowden also has about 25 wins that should not count
Count the lower division wins: Eddie Robinson, Paterno (by 1 game), Bowden
Don’t count the lower division wins: Paterno (by 25 games), Bear Bryant, Bowden (like 1 or 2 behind I think)
Ridiculous
Paterno breaks a body part demonstrating an onside kick to his players and is proclaimed a hero… Sits in the press box, etc.
Bowden does a pregame speech to the team and is criticized for it being lackluster.
Where is the accountability I ask.
"I am the Real Vine and my Father is the Farmer. He cuts off every branch of me that doesn't bear grapes. And every branch that is grape-bearing he prunes back so it will bear even more"
accountability isnt the right word.
"I am the Real Vine and my Father is the Farmer. He cuts off every branch of me that doesn't bear grapes. And every branch that is grape-bearing he prunes back so it will bear even more"
what I mean is
Who is criticizing Bobby, yet praising Joepa. I dont think JoePa is doing right by Penn State fans either.
The post I was replying to.
"I am the Real Vine and my Father is the Farmer. He cuts off every branch of me that doesn't bear grapes. And every branch that is grape-bearing he prunes back so it will bear even more"
That's an extremely good point.
And one I had not considered.
I’d fall on the side of “they are both ridiculous, out of place, and bad coaches” before I would elevate the current Bowden though.
I'd be on that side with you.
But insert “currently” before “bad coaches”.
"I am the Real Vine and my Father is the Farmer. He cuts off every branch of me that doesn't bear grapes. And every branch that is grape-bearing he prunes back so it will bear even more"
I also think
the punishments we suggested were too light. I see us losing 8-10 scholarships over the next 3 years.
By the way
there was an episode of West Wing called “take out the trash day” — whenever they had bad news, they’d release it on Friday night so it would get the least play on the news.
If I were advising FSU, I’d tell them to release the findings (assuming it’s bad news) right about ……………..now!
Ive heard about that, and for a show to mention that is hilarious.
The current administration has released quite a bit of information on Fridays.
ON THE MONEY!
They know…and are appealing…and its a PR move…
wait till know one cares about CFB till the next season and then announce…then the news will make a mild bulrb and go away within a week.
Guys this administration is not as stupid as is sometimes suggested….watch the next 2 years get better!
Yeah, right!
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