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Florida State retains the worst head coach in college football for another year

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Don't get mad.  Can you honestly think of a coach who does less with more?  Is anyone less involved in the day to day activities of a program?  Is anyone a bigger drag on a program?

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Other notes inside... (including someone visiting Greg Reid)

Star-divide

Nobody in their right mind would hire Bowden for any coaching position (barring a publicity stunt).  We decide to pay him $2.5 Million.   

Today's press conference was a joke.  I didn't attend, but I talked to someone inside the program and they are embarrassed for Bobby and embarrassed that our university is being represented by this washed up delusional geriatric.  

Things Bowden didn't know at today's presser:  

  • Coach Rick Tricket's contract situation
  • The scholarship situation
  • Eligibility status of some players
  • Bowden hadn't talked to D'Vontrey Richardson and didn't know if Jimbo Fisher had either.  
  • Apparently (I didn't get this from talking to my reporter friend, but rather from Seminole 64), Bowden didn't know the specific recruits that are coming into town.  Nick Saban is webcamming with kids.  Bowden can't keep track of recruits.  Somehow, we expect to compete at an elite level.

Things Bowden did know:

  • Mickey Andrews will draw another paycheck
  • Jeff Bowden will coach with Terry at Directional Alabama

Not only does UF have maybe the best coach in college football history (in terms of "I wouldn't take anyone over him in his prime"), but we have the worst. head coach in major college football.  

Mickey Andrews coming back assures us of a couple things: 

  • More teams taking advantage of our stale scheme
  • Continued focus on intensity and energy instead of strategy and execution
  • More wasted money from the university

 

My friend said that some coaches are angry.  They're angry because good assistants now don't want to come play for Bowden after hearing how he lets some long-time assistants operate under a ridiculous double standard, fostering an air of chaos and immaturity.  

  • Baseball News:  Kyle Long got a DUI two days before he left school.  His dad says it was not the reason he left school.  The real story?  I hear that his leaving school was more a function of just leaving Tallahassee and that there wasn't much school going on at all.  

 

To close, Bowden's last remaining support group consists of TK, a few select big boosters, and the Mickey/ Amato combo. 

If we cut out Amato, his support base dwindles that much more.  Maybe he will feel isolated and alone and finally leave after this season?  Maybe he won't even be alive.  At this point, however, we have to live with what he has done to us. 

Can someone get me his extension when he does sign it?  I'd love to break down his compensation and compare it to that of other coaches.  We better not be paying this waste of space $2.5 Million again...

 

 

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I heard that Warchant banned a bunch of people last night… if you know them, welcome them to our community.

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by FSUncensored on Jan 9, 2009 12:49 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

is that Seminole64 from the smackboard?

or an insult screenname?

Our goal is simple: Best in the land

by FSUStateOfMind on Jan 9, 2009 3:48 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

His fanpage picture is of a slip that says "banned"

Not sure why I took the time to look that up.

http://today.sportingnews.com/sportingnewstoday/20081229/?pg=2

by tdchrisdavis on Jan 9, 2009 3:56 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Add me to the list

I simply stated…Opportunity wasted??? Followed up with comments in regards to Chuck “The Suck” Amato telling a recruit he would see him and then ignoring him twice. That has to help recruiting in the future. Post deleted, and banhammer…..

I read all and any boards for a broad perspective of FSU related info. There are just too many on that board that slam you for stating the obvious.

Go Noles!!!

by nolefan07 on Jan 10, 2009 8:44 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Welcome, '07

We’re NOT trying to make this into a bash warchant site. We are trying to provide a forum where people can have an open discussion on FSU athletics. Most here are diehards and I think a large majority consider what is happening in other programs and then compare those practices to our own. Hope you stick around.

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by FSUncensored on Jan 10, 2009 12:30 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thanks

I stumbled on this site a few months ago and read it daily. I finally decided to register and post today. Great site so far and I have enjoyed nearly all of the other posters comments. Very good info and as a lot have said most of the info the pay sites hint around about(true or hype), I have found the facts here by someone.

Thanks for all the info Uncensored- Keep doing what you’re doin!

Go Noles!!!

by nolefan07 on Jan 10, 2009 1:20 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Also...

a certain site apparently (I can’t read, only heard this) wrote an article consisting of

  • FSU offense improved
  • Passing game lagging behind
  • Generic set of passing numbers compared to the passing numbers of past seasons, without regard for the new clock rules or the number of attempts
  • Comment from Player A
  • List of returning players
  • Comment from player B
  • Conclusion that future looks bright…

And some of you guys pay $100 a year for this…

Everyone who regularly posts on this site could write better than that. Even our fans who don’t speak English could throw that together.

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by FSUncensored on Jan 9, 2009 12:51 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm convinced Ponder's father is a source for said site.

It would explain Ponder’s immunity on the board that his father posts, as well as the consistently optimistic conveyance of him as a player.

On Bowden and FSU: It’s not all about football. It’s about the financial and psychological well-being of the university. It’s about the opportunities 25,000 students and teachers will lose as the financial backing of the football team dwindles.

But most importantly, it’s about putting the interests of one man above all the teachers, all the students, all the employees, all the former players, all the former coaches.

It’s about letting Bobby perpetuate this “Blood is thicker than water” stigma. It’s about funneling everyone’s ambitions and hopes for this institution, academically and athletically, through his filter.

It’s about the old guard that retain a holier-than-though ethos when they see other programs do whatever they can to win (and thus do well by the university by which they’re employed). We’re different. We’re FSU. We don’t fire coaches when they aren’t performing at a high level. Instead, we wait until boosters force them out. We don’t hire coaches based on merit and passion. Instead, we hire coaches based on their connections to the Bowden family.

by CaStauch on Jan 9, 2009 1:00 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm not as down on Ponder as you are...

but I’d feel ashamed to write an article like that. What makes people read it, the quotes? It’s pure generic coach speak.

Look at these fake quotes:

Christian Ponder: “You can feel the offense coming together. Getting the extra bowl practices really helped. We should grow a lot as an offense in the offseason”

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by FSUncensored on Jan 9, 2009 1:03 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Big Chief

I’m not sure if I this can be posted here b/c it was a part of a message board post from a pay site, so Uncensored if you have to delete this go ahead. But…… It gives me hope. It was posted by some random guy who rarely posts, in regards to coaching changes. Good to hear we actually have big boosters that have a decent football IQ.

If any changes are to be made Jimbo needs the authority to start putting his staff in place. Big Chiefs coming to town this weekend to discuss this with TK. First TK must agree with Big Chiefs and then Bobby has to be agreeable. If changes occur depends on the pow wow this weekend. Offensive staff is pretty much Jimbo’s guys. Defense is still old guard and Bobby’s guys. If big chiefs are successful we’ll see changes, if not we’ll see far less $ contributed in the near future.

This dysfunctional coaching hiarchy is not helping us reach our goals.

by mp212121 on Jan 9, 2009 1:03 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

boosters

does any boosters right this site?

by Cee on Jan 9, 2009 1:05 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ugh

nice grammar by me :/

by Cee on Jan 9, 2009 1:06 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

..

I need my head examined. Do any boosters, read this site is what i meant. ( 3rd times a charm )

by Cee on Jan 9, 2009 1:07 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

nice

I wasn’t aware. I’m guessing the boosters are the main source of income towards the salaries of the football coaches. So if they all united , they’d have more power in the decision making process for football than they realize? Or do they already know this?

by Cee on Jan 9, 2009 1:59 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Whether that’s true or not hitting the pocket books is the only way you can force Bowden out.

by evenflow58 on Jan 9, 2009 1:06 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't care if Bobby is agreeable.

I hope he DOESN’T like what comes out of the meeting (should it happen).

How long do we have to continue to let him keep his thumb on us?

by MattDNole on Jan 9, 2009 1:06 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Here’s an article from two years ago predicated on complaints from some of our smart boosters. We need more of noise from these guys.

This dysfunctional coaching hiarchy is not helping us reach our goals.

by mp212121 on Jan 9, 2009 1:07 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=2635717

This dysfunctional coaching hiarchy is not helping us reach our goals.

by mp212121 on Jan 9, 2009 1:09 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

brilliant quote

“This is a real tough business. It boils down to one of two things: It’s either the horses or the jockeys. And we think we have some pretty good horses.”

by Miaminole on Jan 9, 2009 1:39 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And another thing...

This is exactly what needs to happen regarding the purse strings.

Like even says in a post below, the only thing Bowden has been good for in the last 15 years is fundraising. Well it looks like maybe he can’t even do that anymore. Why keep him?

by MattDNole on Jan 9, 2009 1:09 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I generally agree with your statements but I don’t think you can say Bowden is the worst coach in football. He still guided, using the term loosely, his team to a 9-4 record. Charlie Weiss might be a worse coach. Sometimes not doing anything is the best thing. For years Bowden has basically been a fund raiser while letting his coaches do the coaching (can you imagine Mickey making the fun raising tour?) and that’s worked for him. Different coaches coach different ways.

Having said that, it’s painfully obvious his time is up. I want him gone more than ever but people keep giving the school money so the school sees it prudent for him to stay.

by evenflow58 on Jan 9, 2009 1:04 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I agree he hasn’t done a good job but I wouldn’t call him the worst coach in college football. He hasn’t even had a loosing record.

by evenflow58 on Jan 9, 2009 1:08 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He doesn't DO anything.

Is there anyone you wouldn’t rather have?

Weiss would get another job in an instant. Nobody would hire Bowden.

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by FSUncensored on Jan 9, 2009 1:10 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Dave Wannstadt and Ty Willingham off the top of my head

I’m not saying he’s great or a good coach, like I said I don’t want him back, but I don’t think you can say he’s the worst coach in football. The records and stats don’t support that.

He does fund raise which is something. That’s a weak arguement but it seems that he’s better off just getting out of the way at this point. Plus it’s something that Andrews and Fisher don’t need to focus on.

by evenflow58 on Jan 9, 2009 1:16 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He is definitely in the bad categorie for the last several years.

I agree with the thought that our recent turn-around has come from Jimbo, Tricket and the defense not totally stagnating yet.

The other side of the arguement could be: “you pin all the blame on Bowden, since he is the HC and ultimately repsonsible for what goes on, but give him no credit” – From what I’ve heard, Bowden didn’t do much to get Jimbo in and we probably would still have Jeff if it wasn’t for influences outside of Bowden.

They key distinction is "worst coach in college football and not ever, as long at that line is clearing drawn I have no quarrels.

"Unless a grain of wheat is buried in the ground, dead to the world, it is never any more than a grain of wheat. But if it is buried, it sprouts and reproduces itself many times over. In the same way, anyone who holds on to life just as it is destroys that life. But if you let it go, reckless in your love, you'll have it forever, real and eternal. If any of you wants to serve me, then follow me"

by FSUvaFan on Jan 9, 2009 1:30 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ps- Im still working on the drafted piece from the discussion last night Uncensored, FYI.

"Unless a grain of wheat is buried in the ground, dead to the world, it is never any more than a grain of wheat. But if it is buried, it sprouts and reproduces itself many times over. In the same way, anyone who holds on to life just as it is destroys that life. But if you let it go, reckless in your love, you'll have it forever, real and eternal. If any of you wants to serve me, then follow me"

by FSUvaFan on Jan 9, 2009 1:32 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thanks for the vote of confidence and taking an interest.

"I am the Real Vine and my Father is the Farmer. He cuts off every branch of me that doesn't bear grapes. And every branch that is grape-bearing he prunes back so it will bear even more"

by FSUvaFan on Jan 9, 2009 2:06 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The records and stats don’t support that.
I think we differ on how much credit to give him for that record. Wandstedt is a respected defensive mind from his days with the Cowboys and Dolphins, that much I know.

He does fund raise which is something. That’s a weak arguement but it seems that he’s better off just getting out of the way at this point. Plus it’s something that Andrews and Fisher don’t need to focus on.

Okay, but let’s reverse it. If we had wandstedt, he could do a decent job fund raising (not Bowden’s level). He’d also do the head coaching duties.

Jimbo, Trickett, Dawsey, and Coley are stretched too thin right now, because Mickey, Amato, Allen, and Carter aren’t coaching at a level suitable for a major D1 school and Bowden isn’t doing anything.

Good coaches can only accomplish so much.

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by FSUncensored on Jan 9, 2009 1:51 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I guess I look at it as a bottom line business. His record over the past few year has been better than the others. The fact that he has achieved that would lend one to believe he is a better coach. I agree that he has placed undue stress on others and I don’t mean to say he is a good coach at this point (I don’t believe that at all) but rather than it could be worse.

I’m a Dolphin fan, trust me when I say that Wandstedt is not a good head coach. The fact that Pitt has been worse than FSU in the time that Wandstadt has been there would assist in proving that.

Bowden has never been a coach to coach up the players but rather coach up the coaches. Whether it’s been his deicision or not to bring on this coaching staff he’s been able to get along with his coaches and let them do what they are best at and should be commended for that, just not a whole lot as the team is mediocre at best.

by evenflow58 on Jan 9, 2009 1:59 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm not arguing that dave is a good coach

You need to consider the available resources, however, and in that regard I can’t seriously make the agrument that Bowden is on equal footing to Wandstedt.

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by FSUncensored on Jan 9, 2009 2:40 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wandstedt doesn’t have the recruiting battles that Bowden has also.

I think we are just going to have to agree to disagree since there really is no metric to show who is the worst. (I hate when you can’t measure something.)

by evenflow58 on Jan 9, 2009 3:00 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ive been banned from warchant

This past year for bashing chucky. They since reinstated me, but I really have no use for that site anymore since I found this one.

by fsunole23 on Jan 9, 2009 1:09 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

lol

freedom of speech , need not apply at warchant?

by Cee on Jan 9, 2009 2:03 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Where's Curtain Jerker when you need him?

As far as I can tell, there are four specific ways a professional wrestler can turn heel.

1) – Failing to meet one’s obligations in a tag team match, thereby costing his team the win and letting his partner get beat up.

2) – Attacking a good guy/woman/harmless person during some sort of in-ring celebration.

3) – Cut a promo attacking the fans and saying that it was all about you and nothing about the fans.

4) – Kissing up to Vince McMahon (the boss).

Let’s see, Bobby doesn’t do his job coaching and his loyalty to Jeff has cost us many games.

He already blames the fans and the media for everything that is wrong, treats us like garbage and idiots, and acts like we’re lucky to have his old arse staggering up and down the sidelines.

He and TK are tighter than a weave at FAMU homecoming.

I guess all we need is for him to hit Jimbo from behind with a chair next year after the Maine win and we’ve got ourselves the greatest wrestling heel ever as head football coach.

We can call him Hollywood Bobby Bowden.

by MattDNole on Jan 9, 2009 1:15 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I can handle wrestling metaphors.

And I think it’s time for Jimbo to tune up the band.

by TRMNole on Jan 9, 2009 2:24 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

How do we get constructive?

What can we do to change things? My eyes are finally wide open after our stadium seemed more full of Gator fans than us, but I think the complaining about Bowden is getting redundant. I don’t think that a full cry from the fans for him to be released would change anything. Does our program simply need to bottom out before we can rebuild?

by Weasie on Jan 9, 2009 1:15 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not neccessarily. Jimbo legitamately looking elsewhere, I believe his other forays were his agent doing his job, should go a long way. Also lack of booster contribution could do the job. Of course the program bottoming out would help. I also believe that Andrews leaving would severely dent Bowden’s desire to return but Mickey isn’t swayed by outside forces in the least so I’m not sure how much of an affect you could have on him.

by evenflow58 on Jan 9, 2009 1:20 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This is all we can do

The Bourgeoisie of FSU football have exemplified their apathy regarding our state of affairs. They’re fans of Bowden, not FSU.

This chatter is not useless. It is not done in vain. It serves a purpose. It constructs the critical mass that will be needed to topple a mountain of incompetence and negligence.

Just keep expressing your displeasure. Email people. Post your thoughts here. Post your thoughts there. Don’t allow yourself to be filtered.

by CaStauch on Jan 9, 2009 1:21 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Bit of a straw man's argument

I am for Bowden BECAUSE he is FSU’s coach and out of loyalty/respect for what he has done for the program.

by RollinNole on Jan 9, 2009 2:33 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Here is the question then...

Are you content with mediocrity while UF plays for national championships? Or maybe Are you happy with continually just missing out on the “great privilege” of playing for an ACC championship.

This year was the straw the broke the camels back if you will; I have defended him over and over, its time for him to go. He has grown selfish. I understand, truly I do. How many times has he said there is only one big step left after he stops coaching, but we should not all be held hostage because he needs something to do during the day.

by Miaminole on Jan 9, 2009 2:37 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Content? ... no

No UF chaps my arse. And you know the fans are only going to be worse now.

However I’m an optimist and think we are on the upswing now. 9-4! After the last couple of years I’m glad to see some improvement.

by RollinNole on Jan 9, 2009 2:56 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The record is better...

but I think it masks some of the crudely patched cracks.

We’re losing 7 of 11 defensive starters of a defense that was good but not great.

Could we have peaked? Next year’s schedule is even tougher.

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by FSUncensored on Jan 9, 2009 2:58 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

how long does the improvement continue?

If we lose Jimbo and Trick, that all goes away.

by Miaminole on Jan 9, 2009 3:01 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Starters sure ... but how good were they?

EB will be missed but some of the others eh … just to throw a few names out: Myron Rolle, MRG, Tony Carter

These guys never quite matured to the level I wanted them to. You can blame the coaches for this and I agree they are not immune however we did have some good players as well EB, P Rob, Moffett, …

So in short I’m not convinced our defense will be that bad nect year assuming we can shore up the db positions

by RollinNole on Jan 9, 2009 3:14 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I never have agreed with this logic.

USF fans were trying to use it the other day on Warchant I think….

If Tony Carter, MRG, and Myron Rolle were THAT terrible, why do we think the guys who couldn’t beat them on the depth chart will suddenly be such an improvement next year? When was the last time, since the departure of Kevin Steele, you saw that much improvement in a defensive player in the course of 1 off season?

by MattDNole on Jan 9, 2009 3:17 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I love the optimism.

no sarcasm…I sincerely wish I shared it.

by Miaminole on Jan 9, 2009 3:25 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i agree

with this statement

no big losses their IMO. Brown is a huge loss. Carter/myron can be replaced easy

by Cee on Jan 9, 2009 4:12 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Rolle was a world beater

but he was no slouch either.

Who else is going to be the last guy to the pile? All kidding aside, I am blinded by the Rhodes scholarship. Everytime I watched a game, and got to hear about that instead of the cheating… eternally grateful. So I cant be objective about him.

by Miaminole on Jan 9, 2009 4:14 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

thanks for the smile

“Who else is going to be the last guy to the pile?”

Love Myron for all the good things hes done not the least of which is the good press hes brought us. But an elite football player he is not.

by RollinNole on Jan 9, 2009 4:21 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

EB will be missed but some of the others eh … just to throw a few names out: Myron Rolle, MRG, Tony Carter

This depends on your evaluation method.

If you evaluate them compared to other players on good teams across a national scale… not that good.

If you evaluate them against their replacements… well, you see what I am getting at.

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by FSUncensored on Jan 9, 2009 3:19 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I do

And I’m hoping the dropoff won’t be that much OR could be better.

The D seemed to do pretty well against Wake. Weren’t a good portion of our starters missing then?

by RollinNole on Jan 9, 2009 3:20 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Agree with the premise

But not the sentiment. From what I understand he and JoePa aren’t much different from each other these days.

Look, Uncensored I read every post and every comment on here and love it. However the Boby bashing on every post does start to wear one down after a while.

2 more years.

by RollinNole on Jan 9, 2009 3:08 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

beleive it or not

I look forward to it!

I’m not lobbying for Bobby stay around … I just don’t want to be part of the crowd that rides one of the greatest coaches in CFB history out of town.

Plus TN invites differing oppinions and I always liked being the devil’s advocate.

by RollinNole on Jan 9, 2009 3:24 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think

years down the road, I will regret not staying in the camp of he can stay as long as he wants. Problem is, Im worried that I wont.

by Miaminole on Jan 9, 2009 3:26 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The one blessing from last night...

…is that we now have every justification to ask Coach Bowden to step down. We are light years away from our principal rival.

by TRMNole on Jan 9, 2009 3:26 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yea

We dont have the horrid Big Ten to keep are delusions alive.

by Miaminole on Jan 9, 2009 3:27 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It true for me

But I still come here diligently … every day … from work … and home … and sometimes on my cell :)

by RollinNole on Jan 9, 2009 3:26 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I got banned from Warchant

Right as my previous suspension was up 3 days ago lol. All I posted was that I didn’t care anymore either way, as it was a pointless endeavor until either Meyer leaves UF or Bowden retires, more likely both.

"I smoke. If this bothers anyone, I suggest you look around at the world in which we live and shut your mouth."-Bill Hicks

by FSBlueApocalypse on Jan 9, 2009 1:19 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Oh man!

The back to back ban. Are you blacklisted or suspended?

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by FSUncensored on Jan 9, 2009 2:08 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Don't know and to be honest, don't care

Just stopped by to see the Omega-class meltdown. That and I never held a subscription there so no $ lost to me.

"I smoke. If this bothers anyone, I suggest you look around at the world in which we live and shut your mouth."-Bill Hicks

by FSBlueApocalypse on Jan 9, 2009 6:58 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Warchant

This is not meant disrespectfully but I do have a question, why do the readers of this site still have Warchant subscriptions? It’s like living in mother Russia during the Cold War, i.e. all you get is positive propaganda and nothing of any real substance. Please quit buying into the machine.

by CFCNole on Jan 9, 2009 1:26 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Maybe...

I’ve never had a subscription to the pay sites, but I can see why people would keep it. There are positives and negatives to everything. It’s not bad to have more information, even if sometimes that can be fluff information. Plus, I’m sure there are friendships that are forged from the message boards that people may not leave.

Uncensored has said in the past, and I agree, that each FSU site has it’s place in the internet world (Well, except maybe one of them. Honestly, how does that site keep going? I bet it won’t after someone graduates.(

by MattDNole on Jan 9, 2009 1:30 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ripping the 'paysites'

is getting kind of old to be honest. I also have never had a subscription. If you don’t like it, then fine, just come and enjoy the conversation here.

by UNFNOLE on Jan 9, 2009 1:35 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i hear ya

There is some quality over there. I wont judge the site based on a misguided few. I am content here, no need to rip warchant. They are FSU fans too, only in our opinion, they need to reevaluate what the basis for their thinking is.

by Miaminole on Jan 9, 2009 1:49 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i feel foolish

I read warchant for the last few years and believed everything they had to say

by Cee on Jan 9, 2009 2:08 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Warchant....wow

i have gotten more recruiting news from this site in 5 mins then I did paying for warchant on their recruiting board.

by Seminole64 on Jan 9, 2009 1:29 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

A agree with you 64...

I’ve been privvy to read Warchant’s premium board from time to time and it’s nothing special. This site offers MUCH more content without all the “sunshine and smiles”.

Man I feel lucky Bowden still likes his job… WHO’S WITH ME?

'Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football.' John Heisman

by Nattylite on Jan 9, 2009 1:32 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

A = I

'Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football.' John Heisman

by Nattylite on Jan 9, 2009 1:34 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

"It is Nice!" - Borat

Thanks :)

'Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football.' John Heisman

by Nattylite on Jan 9, 2009 1:35 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

With all that said....

I would still LOVE to have the tee-time with Bobby. I still think he is a quality human being, just too old for this job. This job is being dominated by coaches who are willing to sleep in the office now. Bobby is asleep by 9pm while all the other coaches are just sitting down for pizza in their office.

I would throw Les Miles into the category of terrible coach, however Les does one thing really well…..he surrounds himself with a talented coaching staff (all around). However, with the classes they have had, the dominance of recruiting in Louisiana and Miss LSU has had, they should have been competiting this year. I would say by in large their National Championship run was based largely off of luck (let me explain). They had some of the best players in the nation. I always think of ‘luck’ as preparation meeting opportunity. In his case, talent meeting opportunity. With the amount of ‘gutsy’ calls he made and got away with, it amazed me that they were consistently achieving wins. I think Miles is an inept coach as well, but again surrounds himself with people who put in the time and are extremely intelligent.

by UNFNOLE on Jan 9, 2009 1:31 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Could be argued the same

about Jim Tressel (who I also think is a real quality guy). They are ALWAYS in the top 3 in recruiting, yet they can’t put it all together. I know some of you are high on Pryor, I am not. We’ll see if he can turn his ‘potential’ into a national championship….my guess: NO.

by UNFNOLE on Jan 9, 2009 1:33 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Terrell

Would make a better WR or Running Back IMO. He can’t pass very well.

'Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football.' John Heisman

by Nattylite on Jan 9, 2009 1:35 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm ok with teams using

quarterbacks who aren’t polished passers. But let’s call it what it is. Nebraska made a living in the 90’s with this.

by UNFNOLE on Jan 9, 2009 1:36 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Pryor is the closest thing to Vince Young since Vince Young.

Not because he’s black either (I hate it when players are compared just because of their skin color).

by MattDNole on Jan 9, 2009 1:38 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We'll see

Young polished his passing by his junior year. Also, the offense in Texas was designed to be pass first if i’m not mistaken. I don’t think Tressel gets that with Pryor (if he wants to develop him into a Young). It is going to be a couple of years, but I just don’t see the talent when I watch him play (outside of his running abilities). I know I am in the minority here, I don’t have a lot to back this up, I just don’t think he has “it.”

by UNFNOLE on Jan 9, 2009 1:40 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I wouldn't. Bobby's true character seeped through when the fans called for Jeff Bowden's job. He put his blood before his job, blamed the fans for all the problems and lack of progress.

I can get folksy anecdotes from my own older relatives. Bobby’s actions the last 7 years have eroded any residue of respect I had for him.

by CaStauch on Jan 9, 2009 1:36 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Fair enough

I just disagree. I think he put himself in a terrible situation, but if you DON’T put your family ahead of fans, then I loose all respect for you. Again, he put himself in the situation, but I would have defended my family to the nth degree as well.

by UNFNOLE on Jan 9, 2009 1:37 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Agreed... I wouldn't have liked it if he had thrown his son under the bus.

But he could have demoted him back to WR coach in 2004 and there would have been no lasting ill will from the fans.

by MattDNole on Jan 9, 2009 1:39 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

From what I understand he was a decent WR coach too.

"I am the Real Vine and my Father is the Farmer. He cuts off every branch of me that doesn't bear grapes. And every branch that is grape-bearing he prunes back so it will bear even more"

by FSUvaFan on Jan 9, 2009 1:40 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

True

I think Jeff should have had more respect for his father and stepped down earlier. Just my own opin. though.

by UNFNOLE on Jan 9, 2009 1:41 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think Bobby should have paid Jeff the $350k.

I mean, if he was worried about his son’s well being, why ask someone else to boot the tab?

Bowden takes absolutely no accountability. Ever.

He’s thrown fans under the bus, players and coaches. He fired everyone on offense just to save Jeff’s job.

'Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football.' John Heisman

by Nattylite on Jan 9, 2009 1:42 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Or Bowden should have had more respect for the institution that gave his great-great-grandchildren lives of luxury and did what was best for the program.

Firing his son should not be equated to killing him. There is a reason that nepotism laws exist and Bowden did his best to circumvent them in hiring Jeff. Familial ties clouded his judgement and corroded his sense of efficiency and objective analysis.

Once he fired his son, or anyone else immersed in the greater Bowden ilk (Mickey, Chuck, McHale, Jody, etc) it wouldn’t and didn’t mean he would have to cut off all contact with them. It wouldn’t have meant that he didn’t love them.

by CaStauch on Jan 9, 2009 1:44 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I completely agree

Bowden put himself in an awful situation. However what kind of man are you if you don’t defend your family? Of course he is going to do that. Demoting him, Jeff resigning (he can get a job at a smaller school and still earn a living, DAA, D2, D3, highschool) would have been the best thing to do, but not to defend him and just flat out fire him is a messy situation when you deal with family.

I was all about Papa sticking up for Jeffy. Regardless of Right or Wrong, Stupid, detremential to the program, career killer, etc. It was the ‘right’ thing to do.

by UNFNOLE on Jan 9, 2009 2:04 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'd argue NOT hiring them would be putting them in front of the fans.

Not putting that pressure on them. Not giving them an untenable position. Not subhecting them to that type of scrutiny.

The fact is this: the Jimmy Heggins hire alerted the college football coaching world that FSU was starting to slide. People looked around and said “really, heggins??” Bowden couldn’t place his son anywhere else as an OC after the Heggins hire. Other programs lost respect for him.

Then Richt left.

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by FSUncensored on Jan 9, 2009 1:44 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

tress

is awful in game coaching. There’s no way they should have lost to texas. Way too conservative on offense. And he left their most talented player uninvolved on 12 plays or so. By putting in that clown boeckman

by Cee on Jan 9, 2009 2:10 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He does this

year in and year out. The man can recruit……..but thats about it.

by UNFNOLE on Jan 9, 2009 2:14 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Oh....

and beat Michigan, which is HUGE at OSU.

by UNFNOLE on Jan 9, 2009 2:14 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

lol tru

yeah him recruiting well is the only reason they win often. Isn’t most of the recruiting down by staff tho and not so much by tressell?

by Cee on Jan 9, 2009 4:13 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

So after this year if BB stays then FSU has to pay Jimbo morny right.

BB needs to get off the crackpipe and look at what his pride is doing to his leg. This is BS. How can the boosters and the school just give him money like this when he hasnt done a damn thing. He talk to the kids every now and then. At least Jo pa is on the field braking hip trying to show his kids something. BB is just being selfish because he wants to go out over Jo pa but hears the news PSU will win more games next year than FSU will. Thats the truth. When we go to BYU/USF/TCU??? we could be in some trouble because they have good Def too. Mabye Jimbo should have went to try to interview with Auburn for the HC to show the boosters and school that if they realy want him that bad then move BB and co out.

by Desman on Jan 9, 2009 1:49 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No, unfortunately the buy-out clause isn't set until after the 2010 season.

It won’t last that long, though. If FSU isn’t run by Jimbo fisher after 09, I’d guarantee that he wouldn’t be here.

by CaStauch on Jan 9, 2009 1:51 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think

We are going to lose Jimbo Fisher and Rick Trickett before all is said and done.

'Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football.' John Heisman

by Nattylite on Jan 9, 2009 1:51 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't know that he would leave this year.

I’m not sure if he wants to move Clint just before his senior year as starting QB of the defending State champions.

Just my guess though, I don’t really know for sure.

by MattDNole on Jan 9, 2009 1:56 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Its real hard to coach

RBs apparently. If I remember correctly, I read and agreed that the RB coach should be a place to stash a mediocre coach who is a recruiting fiend.

“Run through the hole” cant take that many hours.

by Miaminole on Jan 9, 2009 1:58 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Right

but Carter wasn’t even a GA or coach anywhere else…

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by FSUncensored on Jan 9, 2009 1:59 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If I had to choose between them....

Give me Trickett any day of the week and twice on Sunday.

He made the comment shortly before leaving WVU that he won’t be taken for granted.

'Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football.' John Heisman

by Nattylite on Jan 9, 2009 1:54 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I had heard...

that Trickett should be taken care of soon. It is a huge priority apparently. I just cant fathom a situation where the higher ups arent aware of how important the man is to the rebuilding process.

by Miaminole on Jan 9, 2009 1:56 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

To be fair Spetman has said that he deals with all contracts after the bowl season. As much as we all like Trickett it wouldn’t be a good idea to deal with him any differently. In the future that could come back and bite the school

by evenflow58 on Jan 9, 2009 2:03 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Agreed

The problem isn’t Spetman’s general method. I think he needed to be a little more gracious during the season and stress that we like Trickett. Rick needed his ego stroked a bit there after the NC State and BC games.

The problem is that we’re treating all of our coaches as equals when they are not equal in ability level.

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by FSUncensored on Jan 9, 2009 2:08 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

How many coaches would you say

that we have on our staff that are ELITE position coaches, coordinators, etc. (Elite as in currently ELITE).

by UNFNOLE on Jan 9, 2009 2:09 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

as in

every team would die to have him……..or most teams. Obviously Jimbo wouldn’t coach at a Texas Tech.

by UNFNOLE on Jan 9, 2009 2:11 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Elite as in...

“would be hired for a comparable position (same spot, another prestigious program, same compensation)”…

or

“considered a seriously hot prospect in the coaching world”

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by FSUncensored on Jan 9, 2009 2:11 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

how about

a coach that would maintain their current position at even 15 other universities if they were nameless

by Miaminole on Jan 9, 2009 2:14 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Jimbo could easily find another job as an OC at a top 20 school
Trickett is considered elite for what he does, but some coaches don’t like his scheme
Dawsey- young, good, and he helps coaches say “hey, I hire minorities”
Coley- young, energetic, and hispanic.

None of those guys would have any trouble finding similar positions as a similarly situated university for similar compensation.

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by FSUncensored on Jan 9, 2009 2:14 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

(hypothetically)

If Jimbo becomes HC after next year….should he clean house of the rest then?

by UNFNOLE on Jan 9, 2009 2:15 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think we should keep the listed guys

then get a DC. The DC should decide whether to keep O’Dell.

We’ve had serious negative recruiting happen against us when we let our program be devoid of minority coaches.

If DC wants ODell, he stays. If he doesn’t, then ODell goes, but the DC must know we need someone to recruit like ODell recruiter at his pinnacle.

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by FSUncensored on Jan 9, 2009 2:18 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Interesting point....

however I am always against getting minority candidates just to tout that we have a minority candidate. I would rather take a small hit in recruiting, and not develop and coach the players that we do get well then to get one or two more players and watch us waste a scholarship on them. I am all about qualified minority coaches though. I just want the best available.

by UNFNOLE on Jan 9, 2009 2:21 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

wow...

I seem to notice a few big names are missing. I wonder if that relates back to any of our problems. Maybe Im just crazy.

by Miaminole on Jan 9, 2009 2:16 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I can't argue with that

I can only wonder how much TK is involved in any of this. My gut says a lot. [frowney face]

by evenflow58 on Jan 9, 2009 2:10 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

you forgot that we dont actually treat them all as equals...

We try to, but I doubt Trickett being as incompetent as Amato would allow him to keep his job. Or maybe if Rick was the only coach to not pass a recruiting test. Maybe its just me though.

by Miaminole on Jan 9, 2009 2:10 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And agreed with Uncensored.

I really think the issue is a bit exaggerated (I’ve been hoping at least), and I criticized another site when I thought they were sensationalizing it. Problem is Spetman and now Bowden’s mouth. Show the man some respect! He’s your top assistant! How does no one at FSU have the ability to kiss anyone’s a** other than Bobby’s?

I know I’m simplifying it a bit. If the clowns around me were making what they’re making, there’d definitely be problems after I saw how business operates two years into this bait-and-switch deal that my buddy and I bit on. But obviously I think a deal gets done. It’s probably not necessary for me to state that I think FSU has some major PR issues too.

by TRMNole on Jan 9, 2009 2:38 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I am reading the comments on the ESPN article...

regarding BB signing an extension. There are people who really dont care about the program over Bobby. Its craziness.

by Miaminole on Jan 9, 2009 1:57 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Alright....

I actually gotta do some work. Has been good chatting. Go Noles…..beat Duke!

by UNFNOLE on Jan 9, 2009 2:17 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Trickett's Contract (A team is coming for him)

I just got a text that the zooker is coming after tricket hard now because they have an opening. Let’s hope FSU takes money away from BB and give it to a coach that actually coaches.

by Seminole64 on Jan 9, 2009 2:29 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That would really hurt us

We do need to hit rock bottom, however, and we might not be able to do it without losing Trick and Jimbo.

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by FSUncensored on Jan 9, 2009 2:43 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

RE:

“Not only does UF have maybe the best coach in college football history (in terms of "I wouldn’t take anyone over him in his prime”), but we have the worst. head coach in major college football. "

I’m not saying Meyer’s not a good coach but I will be very curious to see how he does without Tebow/Harvin. Perhaps 2 of the best players in CFB.

… And worst coach? Really?

by RollinNole on Jan 9, 2009 2:30 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yes, Really

the worst coaches is one that doesn’t coach. That fits the description pretty well to me.

by Seminole64 on Jan 9, 2009 2:31 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If we lose Trick

to Zook of all people….

I might just go on a two year hiatus, focusing solely on school. I’ve had heart burn since last night, I wont subject myself to this for a guy who couldnt care less about where I spent the best years of my life.

by Miaminole on Jan 9, 2009 2:31 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

haha..

I graduated undergrad already.

Law school starts back up on Monday.

by Miaminole on Jan 9, 2009 2:44 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

my Tennessee waltz

forever ingrained in my memory. Buying a thirsty moose card, drinkin at 10 in the morn until 8 for a night game. Good times for all.

by Miaminole on Jan 9, 2009 2:45 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Do these grey hairs that don't consider him untouchable now outnumber (in terms aggregate financial contributions) those who are still fans of Bowden before FSU?

It’s all about the dollar, and if the biggest $$ booster still sees this as BBU and not FSU, none of this change of the tide talk matters.

by CaStauch on Jan 9, 2009 3:06 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Highly unethical.

That Bowden would stand idly by and allow his influence with the boosters to work negatively against the program. He should have a problem with people being fans of Bobby Bowden instead of fans of FSU. He should be able to look at himself objectively and admit that he isn’t the solution to the problem that is FSU football now, 5 years ago, 5 years from now.

This is my problem with Bobby Bowden. He hides behind whimsy, folksy charm and an old guard of influence and smugly decrees, “Well, I don’t really know if I’ll play, I’ll have to call TK and tell him if I will or not”. To be that dismissive of your employer and that confident in your security despite all evidence that you shouldn’t is not right and not fair.

Bobby Bowden, to me, now seems to carry around with him his two MNCs, his statue, his glass window, his plaque adorning the field. Whenever someone questions his work ethic, his worth, his style, he simply holds these up and says, “What now.”

An ethical person would look at the situation for those around him. For the FSU students that have started their 4th year next year with a team that has accumulated a combined record of 23-16.

There are 5 years worth of FSU graduates (roughly 60,000) graduates if you assume a 2/3rds graduation rate, that have NEVER seen FSU beat UF. That have NEVER seen FSU lose less than 5 losses per season.

Where is the champion for their cries? Certainly, those who choose to instead admire the past in spite of the future have theirs, Herr Bowden.

Are their concerns simply not as pressing, important as those who are older who remember a better time for FSU?

Sorry, Ed. I appreciate the view you bring, but those are my beliefs. As are, you have priorly mentioned, the circumstantial angle to FSU’s ascent.

by CaStauch on Jan 9, 2009 3:51 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I dont think you

are disagreeing with him. Maybe I am just reading each post incorrectly.

by Miaminole on Jan 9, 2009 3:55 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

fair enough

you would know better then me. I enjoyed reading both posts, so keep it up as far as Im concerned. :)

by Miaminole on Jan 9, 2009 4:02 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't disagree ...

…. with a thing you’ve written in this post, other than the notion that it is somehow at odds with what I wrote.

by Fsued on Jan 9, 2009 4:05 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yea,

I read them as harmonious.

by Miaminole on Jan 9, 2009 4:10 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

cant sleep...

I am not a current booster, no job…

But I want to be one. I have grand aspirations of parking my RV in the lot for every home game like my townie friends haha.

by Miaminole on Jan 10, 2009 3:40 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Exactly, I graduated this fall

And in my 3 years, throwing out the 2006 game, we might as well have been UCF or USF playing UF. You want to know why the student section doesn’t sell out anymore? Because I was in 7th grade when Weinke won the Heisman and we played Oklahoma in the national title game. Hell for incoming freshmen, we might as well be USF or UCF from a football standpoint. I think Bowden’s final season should have been 2003. Dramatic win over UF, conference title, etc.

"I smoke. If this bothers anyone, I suggest you look around at the world in which we live and shut your mouth."-Bill Hicks

by FSBlueApocalypse on Jan 9, 2009 8:28 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Also, how much longer can we sustain?

Each additional year we become less and less FSU and instead “fsu”. This is only aggravated by unprecedented success of UF and Meyer.

by CaStauch on Jan 9, 2009 3:07 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Appreciated as always, Fsued

I spoke with a reporter from today’s events. He said the reporters were looking at each other today during the press conference and just sort of thinking “wow, really? We showed up for this?”

At some point, Bowden crossed a precipice, from someone who deserved to go out on his own terms, to someone who abused that priviledge.

When did you finally turn?

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by FSUncensored on Jan 9, 2009 3:08 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Uncensored

that fsu ed post has to be stickied. BRILLIANT!

by Miaminole on Jan 9, 2009 3:13 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

When did I turn?

You know, I’m not even sure I know and I think that’s kind of the point, now that I think about it. Dysfunction usually creeps like ivy — you can’t see it until you step back and take note of where it was the month before.

Another way of answer that is: When did Bowden become a bitter man who viewed the job as an entitlement, not at-will employment? I don’t know the answer to that from a “when” standpoint, but I certainly accep the premise of the question.

by Fsued on Jan 9, 2009 3:30 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

For anyone keeping score...

…rainbow offense for me. Miami 13, FSU 10. I had been suspecting something was up (maybe to some of you I was early, maybe to some of you I was late), but that’s when I realized beyond the shadow of a doubt what was going on. I mention this because I’m interested (no more Bowden bashing today – yeah, right), when did you know the old man had to go? And I mean, know! No points for beating me on timing. I’m genuinely curious. And we all knew Jeff in ‘04, I’m talking about Jeff’s not enough, it’s bigger than Jeff. I know not everyone will respond.

by TRMNole on Jan 9, 2009 3:45 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Closest I can say

is this season. Before this season, I was all about let him leave when he wants. Maybe it was when I realized we might lose some important coaches. Maybe it was when I listened to another speech that lacked any thoughts other then “we were right there.” Maybe it was after the GT game when we were getting obliterated, but the last second loss was just “bad luck” This season was the last straw for me.

by Miaminole on Jan 9, 2009 3:49 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

"BEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEP!"

Maybe next year when UF secures their first undefeated season winning a wire-to-wire back-to-back NC, complete with a 60-14 trouncing of FSU in front of their fans, the pulse will awaken. Nope. Would have happened by now. I’ve lost faith in the bunch.

by TRMNole on Jan 9, 2009 3:09 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We need an edit to the post. Nee to edit the BB didn't know in his presser:

He said that have several recruits coming in this weekend, nope, just one – Orson Charles.

by Seminole64 on Jan 9, 2009 3:23 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You'll have to forgive me, but I've got a little more Bowden bashing in my system.

(Yes I know it is getting old, I agree… but I’m ticked right now).

" I only watched about a quarter and a half before I fell asleep. I think the score was 7-7. I tried to watch it; I just don’t stay up late."

WHAT THE CRAP?!! No words…. there are simply no words to describe how ticked off I am at the fact that we pay a man 2.5 million dollars to go to sleep before 9:15. I bet half the coaches in the SEC don’t leave their offices before that time on an average day!!!

ARGH!!!

by MattDNole on Jan 9, 2009 3:25 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

wow.

you are killin me Matt. I did not need to read that.

by Miaminole on Jan 9, 2009 3:28 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

But wait, there's more...

Q: The school recently announced that you will be playing South Florida next year. Could you talk about that game and the USF program?

A: Well, we needed a game and we called just about everybody in the country. We’ve called everybody in Florida. And South Florida was the only one that could work it out. A lot of times schools would like to do it, but they can’t work it out on their schedules. I think the big plus is this: They’ll fill the stadium. We bring in Western Carolina, we bring in Chattanooga, and we can’t fill our stadium. We can’t pay the bills like you’d like.

Because of what YOU let us become, Bobby, we can’t fill our stadium when freaking Florida comes to town anymore.

by MattDNole on Jan 9, 2009 3:31 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

One of my favorite sites on the internet used to be firejoemorgan.com

It was a baseball blog from a sabrematrician’s point of view and one of the writers happened to be a lead writer for The Office. So it combined humor with a serious discussion of sports. They would periodically take an article written by some over-hyped sports writer and make fun of it line by line. I almost feel like doing that with this press conference but I think it might be too painful.

by MattDNole on Jan 9, 2009 3:47 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If I can find another source for the PC besides Warchant, I will.

I don’t want to make them less likely to write free stories. Nor do I want to copy their information.

by MattDNole on Jan 9, 2009 4:08 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Man I hope

we dont lose Trickett. Thats the last thing we need is to start over on the o line.

by fsunole23 on Jan 9, 2009 3:29 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

shoot

Im gonna re-read em to make sure Im not breaking the rules lol.

by Miaminole on Jan 9, 2009 3:37 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You're fine so far.

Basically no profanity (safe for work) and don’t post premium content from paysites. Today’s a different kinda day for the site, we don’t usually just go off, I’m about to put the brakes on myself, it will probably settle down a bit soon, but Bud seemed okay with it. It’s been that kinda day. Year. Decade. Also, don’t post a photoshopped picture of Tim Tebow making out with Riley Cooper. Or geniune. (Unless you really have to.)

Oh man, just wait until the NCAA. I can guarantee you Uncensored and MattD are saving their best stuff.

by TRMNole on Jan 9, 2009 3:54 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yea.

Today is just (myself anyway) venting because I dont see an end to this. I am not looking forward to next year, I have no touchy feelyness for this administration left.

Getting smacked around AGAIN by the Gators is killing me.

by Miaminole on Jan 9, 2009 3:56 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It isn't hard for me to bash Bowden.

Is it hard for anyone else to bash Mickey? The man has brought so much to FSU and is all class. Feels hard for me.

It has to be done however.

Our goal is simple: Best in the land

by FSUStateOfMind on Jan 9, 2009 3:57 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It actually is.

It’s much easier for me to bash Bowden and Chuck than it is Mickey, because I don’t think Mickey is blatently holding us hostage and rubbing his untouchability in our face like the other two are.

I think Mickey still has the potential to be effective, when he wants to. The first half scheme against Miami was like nothing we’ve done in quite some time.

by MattDNole on Jan 9, 2009 3:59 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This feels like treason, and I will get jumped all over for it. I will say it anyway.

If Mickey Andrews was head coach from 1987-2000, we would have 6 (possibly more) national championships right now.

Our goal is simple: Best in the land

by FSUStateOfMind on Jan 9, 2009 3:59 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Disagree.

Mickey was perfect where he was. I don’t think he ever had the mentality to be a head coach. He was always perfect as that hard nosed DC, though. The pitbull that wasn’t so much controlled as he was contained.

by MattDNole on Jan 9, 2009 4:02 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Here is the quote by Buckley.
"Last week former Seminole cornerback Terrell Buckley, now a Green Bay Packer rookie, told the Tallahassee Democrat that Bowden had cost Florida State at least one national title. “If [defensive coordinator] Mickey Andrews or [receivers coach] John Eason were head coach, I’d have three rings," said Buckley. "We had the talent to win the national championship." Buckley also told the Democrat that many current and former Seminoles share his sentiments.”

http://http://vault.sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1004315/index.htm

Our goal is simple: Best in the land

by FSUStateOfMind on Jan 9, 2009 4:11 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I just don't know that Mickey has the personality that would have brought in that level of talent had he been head coach.

I just don’t know about it. Maybe, maybe not. I’m not so angry with current Bowden that I can’t recognize his role in our past success.

by MattDNole on Jan 9, 2009 4:18 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Buckley would probably be taking mention of the fact that Bowden seemed to coach scared in big games.

I don’t think that would have been a problem under Mickey.

In no way am I underscoring Bowden’s effect on this program.

There would not be a Tomahawk Nation without Bowden.

Our goal is simple: Best in the land

by FSUStateOfMind on Jan 9, 2009 4:23 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I agree with both the sentiment and the criticism of Bowden.

Don’t know that Mickey was the answer though.

Make Mickey the DC under a revolving door of good recruiting and motivating head coaches like at Miami, and I agree 95% (I’m a statistician, 95 is a force of habit).

by MattDNole on Jan 9, 2009 4:26 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

we'll have to respectfully disagree

We both would be banned from WC months ago, LOL.

Our goal is simple: Best in the land

by FSUStateOfMind on Jan 9, 2009 4:28 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

OK, I think everyone is on the same page. What next?

It’s getting to the point where we are all rehasing the same concerns and evaluations over and over. I think we all pretty much are in agreement that Bowden is the Cousin Eddie who has over-welcomed his stay and can only do more damage. Soo…..

What next? What can we do? I think our noise should not be directed at Bowden any more, but it should be geared toward the administration. Barking at Bowden is useless.

How can we even depend on our administration going forward, even post-Bowden? If incompetance is showing now, what’s to say we won’t see it down the road from this same administration?

This dysfunctional coaching hiarchy is not helping us reach our goals.

by mp212121 on Jan 9, 2009 4:15 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah, that's kinda the problem too.

This is for someone a lot smarter (and with more money) than me.

by TRMNole on Jan 9, 2009 4:17 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm no TK fan, as evidenced by my fanpost,...

But if he hasn’t been forced out due to his poor leadership of the University as a whole, then his bungling of the athletic department is not going to get it done either.

I still have yet to find one positive thing his adminstration has done of its own accord besides taking a firm stance on the mascot issue (which may or may not bite us in future dealings with the NCAA).

by MattDNole on Jan 9, 2009 4:21 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

good point

I just feel that Bobby is a separate situation. There is no easy way of replacing a legend. Look at Landry for example. Winning is the only thing that cures all ills.

Once he is gone, I think the program will be run like any other program. The days of JoePa and B.B. are history. That coach does not exist anymore. Once he is gone, we will be focused on winning and thats it. There will be no history to hang on to. I just fail to see how the administration could be so foolish in a different way.

by Miaminole on Jan 9, 2009 4:20 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think fighting for the ousting of Bowden is simply tilting at windmills.

Which is why I personally focus my efforts on getting rid of Amato, Allen, and Carter (in descending order of preference). I think we can compete for ACC titles with better coaches at these three positions.

In order to compete for National titles, we will need a new head coach, but the administration as decided that National championships aren’t important to them.

by MattDNole on Jan 9, 2009 4:29 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The new hires MUST be Jimbo's

with Bowden’s reneging/sketchiness regarding transfer of power, how certain are we that would be the case?

by CaStauch on Jan 9, 2009 4:39 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Agreed!

I hope that Jimbo gets to bring his own guys in, if not this year then def next so as to ease the transistion.

by RollinNole on Jan 9, 2009 4:52 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Curiosity here

How do you guys feel about the 400 win mark? FSU could be one of only 2 schools to do it. Don’t you think that would help us in recruiting?

Same with the alltime winningest coach.

I guess what I’m going for is IF we could get 1 or both of those in the next 2 years would it be worth hanging on to Bobby then?

by RollinNole on Jan 9, 2009 4:27 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nope.

I don’t think anyone goes to Alabama to play for Bear Bryant.

The entire concept is dated to me, if this ever made sense at all. Kids don’t care. Not the guys we want. Seems to me like an idea created by… well, you can probably figure it out from here.

by TRMNole on Jan 9, 2009 4:31 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Let me clarify one thing: It would have been great if we could have pulled it off without destroying the program...

…but man, that “if.” It has little to do with recruiting. That’s a line they feed us. It would be a nice record to have, something to display in very big letters on a wall somewhere. Not at the cost we’re paying for it though.

What MattD just posted while I was typing this. Very well stated.

by TRMNole on Jan 9, 2009 4:36 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I also dont see Bobby passing JoePa.

He just got a 3 year extension. Even the inability to stand on the sidelines is forcing him out. He might actually “coach” until he dies.

by Miaminole on Jan 9, 2009 4:32 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yea

I dont see Bobby passing Joe Pa either. First of all Penn St plays in the Big 10, and I also think the record means more to Joe.

by fsunole23 on Jan 9, 2009 4:35 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

True

But imo Bobby is in better health than Joe Pa. I think if Bobby ever got to the point where he couldnt coach from the sidelines he would retire.

by fsunole23 on Jan 9, 2009 4:40 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sorry, that wasn't a productive post.

These guys talk each other into it. JoePa: “Bobby, they can’t force you out! You built that place! Get a luxury suite, you don’t even need a heatset! They’ll bring your prune juice right to you!” Lou Holtz: “Jhu fhdjkl fhru flkhi fhils fh sljdy fjdli.” You know?

by TRMNole on Jan 9, 2009 4:45 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nice post

In related news, Tim Brewster is long gone.

"Your eyes can decieve you. Don't trust them." Obi-Wan Kenobi, the first sabermetrician...

by Curtain Jerker on Jan 9, 2009 6:23 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Haha

Thats a good post Matt. Maybe I am wishful thinking I dont know.

by fsunole23 on Jan 9, 2009 4:48 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Orson Charles

Anyone know how it works with football players? Someone just shows them around campus or something? If I see Orson Charles, I’m going to approach him and beg him to come to Florida State.

by DA-2 on Jan 9, 2009 5:11 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs