Florida State University Seminoles Men's Basketball Preview: Let the Madness Begin
Last year, the Florida State Seminoles made a surprising charge through the Atlantic Coast Conference to the NCAA Tournament in what was one of the most successful seasons in team history. Riding squarely on the shoulders of Toney Douglas, the Seminoles made their first NCAA tournament appearance in 11 years,earned numerous post season awards and made it into the national spotlight.
As soon as the clock struck 0.0 in Boise, Idaho, the questions about the Seminole's future without Toney Douglas started. With one of the youngest teams in the country and with limited offensive production from it's future, many immediately questioned the Seminoles' ability to return to the spot light in the 2009 - 2010 season.
Now, it is time to see if the Seminoles are up the challenge of becoming an annual competitor in the best basketball conference in the country. Mark your calenders: Midnight Madness begins as the clock hits 00:00 on October 16th. Will the Seminoles continue their Cinderella story or will they return to the pumpkin patch of basketball mediocrity?

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Continue reading for Tomahawk Nation's Men's Basketball Preview...
Before getting into the details of the preview, check out the updates that have been provided over the summer:
Summer Previews:
The New Guys: A review of the new additions to the basketball team. Of note, Bernard James will likely join the team in 2010 and Jon Kreft is not eligible yet but may join the team after January 1st.
An In-Depth Analysis of Solmon Alabi: If the Seminoles expect to make some post-season noise, Solomon Alabi needs to have a big year.
A Detailed Look at Luke Loucks and Derwin Kitchen. With one year under their belt, can these young guards be the answer to Toney Douglas's departure? Here is a discussion with Derwin's Head Coach at Iowa Western Community College. Looks like Derwin has the tools to lead this team to a successful season.
What does the schedule have in store for the Seminoles? Take a look at this article. The Noles have their work cut out for them
Should the Seminoles play an up-tempo offense? Here is the argument for and against it.
Wonder who are the fresh faces in the ACC? Check out Part 1 and Part 2 of the ACC Recruiting Class of 2009.
Check out the pre-season reading list.
Last year was an exciting season for the Seminoles as they made their first NCAA appearance in 11 years and saw the development of young talent at the national level. For those of you who are new to Tomahawk Nation, welcome to the site and we hope you enjoy our coverage of the basketball team. The analysis done here is a little unconventional in that we don't simply rely on your typical basketball stats. Many of the arguments and discussions here are presented using tempo free statistics that were developed by the work of Dean Oliver and Ken Pomeroy. We highly recommend that you familiarize yourself with their body of work at the Basketball Prospectus and KenPomeroy.com.
Starting Point
The chart above demonstrates the basis for which we will evaluate the Seminoles through the upcoming season: The Four Factors. These use of these statistics to evaluate a team was developed by Dean Oliver. In general, these four elements can be used in the analysis of a basketball team. These statistics primarily focus on the offensive skill set of a team: effective field goal percentage, turnover percentage, offensive rebound percentage and free throw rate. These contribute to a team's offensive efficiency which, in general, has a direct association with a team's success. Of the top 60 teams in the country ranked by Ken Pomeroy, only three teams has an offensive efficiency ranked 100 or higher in the nation: #36 Florida State (100), #35 Washington State (121) and #60 Cleveland St (107). The reason those three teams were successful was due to their outstanding defense. Florida State ranked 12th in the nation in overall defensive efficiency.
Last year, the Seminoles offense was the rate limiting step to their success. Night in and night out they were able to play a defensive heavy slow tempo game to keep their opponents out of their comfort zone. However, their offensive efficiency was prohibitive to them winning more games. Despite playing some very close games with some of the top teams in the nation, the Florida State offense couldn't put the points up to break through. The interesting thing about the Seminoles' offense was that they were a relatively consistent team. In fact, they ranked third in the nation for consistency, meaning the variation in points they scored from game to game. It didn't matter if the Seminoles were playing Western Illinois or Duke, they played the same style of game and put up the same number of points, which made for some frustrating early games in the year.
Looking at the Four Factors, the Seminoles ranked 163rd in the country for Effective Field Goal Percentage, 89th in Offensive Rebounding%, 57th in Free Throw Rate% and 291st in Turnover Percentage. The Seminoles turned the ball over on almost one out of every four trips down the court. Fortunately, they forced their opponents to do the same. Imagine if those squandered opportunities had gone towards scoring opportunities. Not surprisingly, turnovers had a significant impact on the Seminoles offensive efficiency. Clearly, the Seminoles will need to minimize their turnover percentage to get to the next level.
The defense, in general, was stellar last year, ranking 12th overall in the nation for defensive efficiency. (Offensive and Defensive efficiency are based on the number of points a team will score given 100 possessions.) The stifling man to man defense, highly characteristic of a Leonard Hamilton team, held opponents to a 44.7 eFG%, forced turnovers on 22.1% of possessions and had a block % of 16 for 6th in the nation. The defense struggled, however, in limiting the opponents offensive rebound percentage. Teams were able to have a number of second opportunities when they shouldn't have, especially given the fact the Seminoles were one of the tallest teams in the nation last year.
Replacing Toney Douglas
Toney Douglas was Florida State basketball last year. When the NCAA tournament started, the national media finally provided Toney the attention he deserved as one of the most decorated players in Florida State basketball history. Earning multiple post season honors at the conference and national level, Toney set the standard for the Seminoles offense and defense. However, all too often when our young team became frustrated, stuck on offense or scared, the ball was forced back to Toney, placing him in numerous difficult situations.
Toney started all 35 games and played 36.5 minutes per game, averaging 21.45 points per game. Not a single other player on the Seminoles' squad averaged double digit points last year. The next highest point total was Solomon Alabi with 8.4 points per game. Chris Singleton, a true freshman, averaged 26.9 minutes per game, the second most on the team. No other player in the ACC played more minutes per game than Toney Douglas. Only 25 players who played more than 30 games in the season played a higher percentage of minutes than Toney.
Here is a chart that demonstrates the impact of Toney on the team:
Clearly, no single player on the current Florida State roster will be able to fill in the void left by Toney's departure. It will need to be a collective effort, which will make the Seminoles a greater threat in the ACC if they are not reliant on one player. Last year, there were 7050 total minutes played by the Seminoles, Toney Douglas accounted for 1279 of those. Based on total minutes, Florida State will be returning only 70.7% of their minutes. If you imagine that each position takes up 20% of a team's total minutes, we are essentially replacing one player next year. The other 10% loss is from Uche Echefu, who had limited minutes toward the end of the year.
The 2009 - 2010 Team
Guards
#21 Michael Snaer 6'5 200lbs Freshman Moreno Valley, California
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Without a doubt, Michael was one of the most exciting players in high school basketball last year and is considered a recruiting steal. Snaer took the fact that he earned little national press after his Junior year as a challenge and his work paid off. After having a very successful senior season, Michael went on to earn numerous post-season accolades during tournament play. He is an outstanding athlete who can shoot from anywhere on the floor. He plays aggressively around the rim and can score with both hands around the basket. Many have questioned his shot selection. Being paired with Derwin Kitchen will make Michael a better player as he won't be required to manage the game. Some say he will be a one and done, but don't be surprised if he sticks around for more than one.
#22 Derwin Kitchen 6'4 204lbs Junior Jacksonville, FL Stats: 25mpg 7.8ppg 98.4ORtg 50.4 eFG% 20.8 ARt
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Meet your new floor general. Derwin had a relatively slow start to the season as he didn't make his first appearance until December 13th. However, by the end of the year his presence was key, particularly in the Georgia Tech game in the ACC Tournament. Derwin is a natural point guard and played that role at IWCC and per his old coach, the motion offense is natural fit for DK. Look for increased minutes, increased assists and a very different style of game from Derwin as he looks to set up the rest of this team.
#3 Luke Loucks 6'5 196lbs Sophomore Clearwater, FL Stats:16.9mpg 3.1ppg 86.3 ORtg 46.9 eFG% 23.7ARt
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Loucks saw a lot of minutes at the beginning of the 2008 - 2009 season, only to see them fade towards the end of the season as Kitchen played a larger role in the offense. Plagued by turnovers early in the year, Loucks has worked incessantly during the off season to improve his quickness, ball handling skills and understanding of the offense. In general, Loucks played excellent defense. From pictures taken during the off season, Loucks has slimmed down and changed his physique. Look for Loucks to get significant minutes off the bench giving Kitchen and Snaer some rest.
#4 Deividas Dulkys 6'5 196lbs Sophomore Silute, Lithuania Stats: 13mpg 3.6ppg 89.5 ORtg 41.5 eFG%
Looking at last year's numbers, it looks like Dulkys will be riding the end of the bench this year. However, that is not the case. This summer, the Seminoles spent two weeks in Spain on a trip sponsored by Nike, during which they played 4 games against some top level teams. During that trip, Dulkys found his shot, having multiple games in double digits. In one game, he hit five three pointers and scored 30 points. Despite playing limited minutes, Dulkys shot the third most three pointers on the team. If his shoot made it through customs, watch for Dulkys to have a big offensive year. His defense still needs significant work.
#0 Pierre Jordan 6'0 165lbs RS Freshman Atlanta, GA Stats: 4.6mgp 1ppg
Pierre only played in 6 games last year, making the only 3 point attempt he tried. Pierre is an extremely athletic but undersized guard. However, he did get a lot of minutes under his belt this year during the Spain trip. However, with the traffic jam at the guard position, playing time will continue to be limited. He was red shirted this year which means he has likely shown the coaches something in the off-season we haven't been privy to. He has he skill set to be an excellent college player, just hasn't been given the opportunity yet.
Forwards
#31 Chris Singleton 6'9 227 Sophomore Canton, Ga Stats: 26mpg 8.1ppg 94.7 ORtg 48.3 eFG% 5.6 Blk%
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One of the top high school prospects, Singleton had an up and down season, showing flashes of brilliance and potential at times and disappearing at others. This shouldn't be surprising for a player who was expected to produce in an offensive system that didn't necessarily play to his skill set. Singleton is a highly athletic forward who creates match up nightmares. Florida State needs to do a better job exploiting those match ups and allow Singleton to use his athletic skills. Unfortunately, Singleton fell in love with the three point shot at times during the season. He needs to put the ball on the floor more and attack the basket. The three point shot will always be available for him. Singleton needs to have a big year for the Noles to continue their success. Don't be surprised if he is named First Team All Defense this year either. Singleton has the talent to put up a double-double every night, but he has to play more consistently.
#42 Ryan Reid 6'8 238lbs Senior Lauderdale Lakes, FL Stats: 19mpg 4.9ppg 3.7rpg 81.9 ORtg 9.7 OReb%
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Ryan Reid is the only Senior on the Seminole basketball team. Don't expect Ryan to be the center piece of the offense, except for keeping possessions alive. During the off-season Reid has slimmed down and looks to be in great shape. Reid is going to be the physical presence in the post and will see a lot of playing time this year. With added scoring from Snaer and the development of the rest of the team, Reid shouldn't have to play a significant role on the offensive end. If Reid can be a work horse on the glass at both ends of the court, the Seminoles could be a force to reckon with in the ACC. Reid needs to be comfortable distributing the ball out of the paint and not feeling pressured to put the ball on the floor.
#2 Jordan DeMercy 6'7 215lbs Junior Norcorss, Ga Stats: 19mpg 3.1ppg 81.2 ORtg 42.8 eFG%
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DeMercy has the athletic potential to be an excellent college player. Unfortunately, his stats do not reflect the effort he put forth last year. The more he can play around the rim and in transition, the better he will be. DeMercy is another example of the size and athleticism that the Seminoles possess and can pose significant match up problems if used appropriately. Again, the Seminoles offense did not play to DeMercy's skill set. However, watch for DeMercy to be a continued force on the defensive end, as was demonstrated during the ACC tournament.
#15 Terrance Shannon 6'8 220lbs Freshman Forsyth, Ga
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Terrance could be a sleeper sensation on the Seminole basketball team this year. During the summer between his Junior and Senior year, Terrance tore his ACL playing AAU ball, meaning there are significant questions about him going into this year. All signs indicate that he is fully recovered and ready to contribute. Terrance has the size and energy to be an outstanding player in the post. He has a huge wing-span and a very good post presence. If he feels confident in his knee, watch for Terrance to have a good freshman season and excellent career at Florida State. He will fit in nicely to Leonard Hamilton's defense.
Centers
#32 Solomon Alabi 7'1 251lbs RS Sophomore Kaduna, Nigeria Stats: 22.2mpg 8.4ppg 5rpg 2bpg 102.9ORtg
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Last year, the ACC saw the coming out party of Solomon Alabi...on the defensive end of the court. One of the best shot blockers in the country, Solomon was a nightmare for teams on the inside. The Seminoles success will be highly dependent on Alabi's success. Despite being timid at times on the offensive end, Solomon showed flashes of brilliance, particularly when the Seminoles played above the rim with him. If he has developed his low post offensive game and is confident in his moves, watch out as Solomon could be one of the best centers in the country. Many NBA draft boards have him listed as a potential lottery pick next year. Expect great things out of Solomon. He has already been named to a number of pre-season award lists, no reason he shouldn't be on those lists at the end of the year. Anything less than a double-double should be a disappointment
#1 Xavier Gibson 6'11 240lbs Sophomore Dothan, Ga Stats: 6.4mpg 2.2ppg 1.3rpg 99.6ORtg 52.8 eFG%
Highly underrated and underutilized. Gibson has an amazing skill set and moves up and down the court with ease despite his 7'0 frame. When Gibson saw long stretches of minutes last year, he was highly productive and is an absolute match up nightmare. He has the ability to play the 4 and step out to take jump shots or even put the ball on the floor. He can also play with his back to the basket. He needs to settle down and trust his skill set as he, at times, got ahead of himself on the offensive end. Look for a break out year from Gibson if he gets the minutes. Florida State's opponents didn't see enough of Gibson last year.
*Jon Kreft may or may not be a part of this group after January 1st. His is a Junior College transfer who is currently working on his eligibility. For a full story on Jon's journey to the Seminoles go here.
Likely Starting Line-Up:
Point Guard: Derwin Kitchen
Shooting Guard: Michael Snaer
Small Forward: Chris Singelton
Power Forward: Ryan Reid
Center: Solomon Alabi
The average years of experience for this group is 2.4 years. Last year, it was 1.25, which ranked 294th in the nation. If Alabi, Reid, Singleton and Gibson can make significant contributions you will see a significant increase in the effectiveness of our guards. Forcing teams to cover down low will open up the easy shots for Snaer and Dulkys and give Kitchen the space he needs to distribute the ball.
Gibson will likely see a lot of playing time next to Alabi, which will be an absolute nightmare for opponents. Could he potentially start? Absolutely, but I think he poses more problems coming off the bench and playing the 5 than starting at the 4. With Reid in the starting line-up, you can hide his offensive deficiencies by the surrounding cast.
Key Dates to Watch For:
October 16th: Practice Begins (Remember, we already had a number of structured practices with the coaching staff due to the Spain Trip. Shannon and Snaer were not able to participate in those but have been on campus playing in unscheduled sessions. Check out this article from Corey Clark about the Seminoles off season conditioning.)
November 16th: Jacksonville - Home/Season Opener
November 24th: @ Florida- Can the Seminoles continue their winning ways against the Gators?
November 26th to 29th: Old Spice Classic in Orlando- Could see the likes of Marquette, Michigan and Xavier
December 2nd: @Ohio State - Big Ten/ACC Challenge
December 20th: @Georgia Tech - Can the Noles stop Derrick Favors in the ACC opener?
January 27th: @Duke
February 24th: @UNC
March 11th: ACC Tournament Starts
Check out the Schedule Article for all of the details on the schedule. Duke and UNC on the road. Two games against an excellent Clemson team. Two games against what could be a surprising Georgia Tech squad. The ACC is never easy but we have a rough run this year.
Closing Thoughts
This team has all of the potential and talent to compete for an ACC Championship. However, there are a number of questions that will need to be answered in out of conference play before that can become a reality. Coach Hamilton has his team focused and prepared to compete with the best. But, will Derwin Kitchen run the show night in and night out? Will Solomon continue along his trajectory? Is Michael Snaer the real deal and will he put up the much needed points? Can the defense continue to play as it did without Toney Douglas? Will the turnovers decrease significantly enough to increase the offensive efficiency?This Seminole team will surprise a lot of people this year. Dick Vitale predicts the Seminoles to be one of the top 40 teams in the country (#15), Lindy's has the Noles at #36. Andy Katz doesn't rank the Seminoles in the top 25 but has 4 other ACC teams in his list (Duke, UNC, Maryland, Boston College). This demonstrates the potential and questions that surround this team.
If the Seminoles can establish consistent success in the paint on offense, the outlook on the season is favorable. With the height and depth they have in the front court, the Seminoles should dominate in the paint as they did last year. Hopefully a year of experience will remove some of the hesitancy and timidness we saw at times last year. If they can establish the paint, the floor will be open for guard play in the back court. Toney Douglas was a shut down defender and his presence will be missed. However, Coach Hamilton prides himself on establishing outstanding defensive units. Expect nothing less this year.
The Seminoles showed significant improvement in their offensive ability during their trip to Spain. The value of that experience is unmeasurable. Playing 4 games against quality competition with scheduled practices can only help this young team continue to develop. The turnovers should be down and the pace should be higher this year. Even though pace does not necessarily equate to success, this team is built to run. I will be disappointed if this team settles into a sluggish offensive set.
Prediction: I won't make any specific predictions but will say the following: Top 4 in the ACC, 20+ wins, ACC Tournament Semi-Finalist, NCAA Tournament Appearance. Once we get to see the Seminoles in action, I will be more specific. Should these be surprising? Absolutely not.
As the season gets underway, look for detailed previews of the ACC similar to last year.
This should be an exciting year for Florida State basketball. What are your thoughts on the team? As always, we appreciate your input and feedback. We want to provide you with the best analysis on your Florida State Seminoles.
Go NOLES!
Cheers,
TC




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Chris Singleton will be monumental.
Quit chucking it from the 3 position, and utilize that size.
SQUAD UP!
You're the best Cubbie.
I expect this to be the best and most talented team FSU has fielded in a long time. I look forward to seeing any development out of Singleton, Alabi, and Louks. Also I am downright giddy about Snaer in Garnet and gold.
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Excellent article Cubbie
FSU is a basketball school, YAY
by Jonathan Loesche on Oct 11, 2009 7:59 PM EDT reply actions
+1
Love his 8-15ft turnaround jumpers from the baseline, hopefully he gets a few starts but nothing wrong with letting him come in and relieve Alabi as long as he still sees time at the #4 spot (~20+ mins total would be great).
the ghost of stokes, camp, lugo strikes TB-sept 2009
by CubFanRaysaddict on Oct 11, 2009 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions
That's the great thing about Gibson.
He can easily play either spot and I agree that he needs to see 20 minutes a night. His production last year was directly correlated to the number of minutes he played. Who knows what his ceiling is as he hasn’t had the time on the court to show us.
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Ya, I think you and I had a love fest for him at the end of last year
but even if just for the novelty of it, having three guys at 6’9, 6’11, and 7’1 on the court at the same time in a NCAA game is obscene (especially since none of them are exactly Shawn Bradleys in terms of skill) . Worst case for Xavier (I imagine) is he becomes our Marcin Gortat, playing mostly back up C minutes but putting up very respectable numbers in that capacity.
the ghost of stokes, camp, lugo strikes TB-sept 2009
by CubFanRaysaddict on Oct 11, 2009 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions
especially if we go to a more up-tempo style
he’s a lot faster and more nimble in the open court than alabi
that's true
I love that style of play, like the Magic try to accomplish, maybe with a more open approach on the offensive side we could open Xaveir to a more independent style of play that spreads out the D while giving Snaer/Kitchen some opps to either take it to the basket or dish it out inside the paint to the bigmen after a deep drive and hopefully providing them an easy dunk/lay up.
the ghost of stokes, camp, lugo strikes TB-sept 2009
by CubFanRaysaddict on Oct 13, 2009 1:21 AM EDT up reply actions
I need this...
team to be good this year, that way I can forget about football for a little while. GO NOLES!
No Tony concerns me. He carried this team last year.
Ameica, Land of the free and home to the entitled.
+1x20
Speed is a great asset; but it's greater when it's combined with quickness - and there's a big difference.
- Ty Cobb
Good read.
I guess we can start looking forward to basketball now that the football team is officially done.
Awesome job, thanks for the info.
I think an NCAA tournament appearance is possible but not likely.
Speed is a great asset; but it's greater when it's combined with quickness - and there's a big difference.
- Ty Cobb
Maybe
Speed is a great asset; but it's greater when it's combined with quickness - and there's a big difference.
- Ty Cobb
I think this team could really surprise people and put up some points.
The Spain trip does not reflect the quality of play in the ACC, but if there is anything to be taken from it….these guys can score.
The first few games will mean a lot for the confidence of this team. This is no longer a bunch of young guys looking to Toney to lead them and to score for them and to get them out of trouble. This is a young core that is going to challenge each other to step up and play better. The team leadership for the next few years is being developed now and I think that will benefit them by raising the bar and expectations. If they come out and blow out the Jacksonvilles and Coastal Carolinas, which they didn’t do this year, it will build the team’s confidence more than simply getting wins. It’s just like our young football team, they need to be succesful on the first drive of the game.
Whatever happens, this is going to be a fun year and it really is setting up the future. I only hope that Snaer enjoys his experience and reaches out to the other top recruits to say this is a good place to play ball.
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Wasn't LH's ability to come up with an offense usually the problem?
You saying that “these guys can score” is pretty uplifting. Since we usually play pretty good D, if our offense can also win some big games for us, holy cow.
Hopefully we get some good crowds, would really be nice if FSU could become an every year tourney team like some others…
Also, as always, excellent writeup TC
Coach Hamilton's office is based on a motion offense, which requires chemistry to run well.
Plus, you really have to be sounds in your understanding of the system to make it work well. Each player has the option to shoot, drive the lane or pass on each possession. Simple rules. But, the important thing is what you do when you pass the ball or don’t have the ball. Without good chemistry it’s hard to get a feel of where to go without the ball.
I suspect the scoring will be higher this year, particularly if the play in the post is better. Dominating the paint will open up our guards. Dulkys and Snaer can flat out shoot. If they start to hit their shots, it opens up lanes for DK to drive and distribute to folks like Singleton and Alabi.
If we have a good year, I suspect we will add even more talent to the 2010 recruiting class, which already has a 3-star and 4-star recruit and potentially Brandon James. This could start a really nice trend of excellent talent coming in each year.
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Just an inquiry to your assumption
of higher scoring, what makes you believe we were be a higher scoring team? I’m not questioning you just inquiring as to your reasoning, but I do agree if we can dominate the paint with Singleton/Alabi/Xavier etc paired with average to above avg play from our guards we will be top 20 at the end of the year.
the ghost of stokes, camp, lugo strikes TB-sept 2009
by CubFanRaysaddict on Oct 13, 2009 1:26 AM EDT up reply actions
It's based on a couple of things and it is really me being optimistic about our team.
I think (hope) the turnovers will be down this year, which will increase our offensive efficiency, particularly if those plays go towards scoring opportunities (a good shot or a trip to the line). This means that our shot percentage will go up as well.
If you recall from a lot of the games last year, we did extremely well when we got the ball inside to Alabi on a regular basis. It seemed that he would get a lot of touches early and he typically capitalized on them. This allowed our guards to have more freedom on the wings to make plays. Lanes opened up because our opponents were forced to double down on Alabi.
As the game went on, we got away from getting the ball inside. And we turned into more of a perimeter team, meaning the burden of our scoring was put on Toney Douglas. Frequently, Toney would be dished the ball with relatively few seconds left on the shot clock, putting him in a difficult situation, leading to either a) a miraculous shot b) a turnover c) a tough shot. Teams were able to focus on Toney and put pressure on the wing as they didn’t need to focus on the inside. Toney also enjoyed the responsibility of carrying this team. Plus, he had the talent to do it. He was an under-rated and undervalued player. He got a lot of recognition within the conference, but few new about him outside of the ACC.
Decreasing the turnovers will immediately help our scoring. I think as a result of having one year’s experience and the summer experience in Spain, the turnovers will decrease, particularly in the style of offense Florida State plays. If the guys in the paint get on a role, it will open up the wings as teams will be forced to double down on a regular basis.
Derwin Kitchen’s speed and passing ability will surprise a lot of people this year. He had a few games in Spain in which he had 10 assists. Take that for what it is worth, but Derwin will be playing a more natural position at the point than the two. Loucks will be improved and suspect he will get a lot of minutes. Snaer has demonstrated that he is an elite player and will contribute. It might not be day one but we should see consistent offensive production from him. And…Snaer loves to play defense. Perfect fit for Leonard Hamilton’s team.
Hope that helps. If not, let me know and I can go into further details.
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Thanks
And you’re right FSU was a timid team in the 2nd half last year (outside of Toney), seemed like no one wanted to take responsibility/make a mistake that will certainly need to be addressed. Also if we can work inside out that should give Snaer/Loucks some great three point and driving opps. One question though, who is going to be that shut down defender we put on the other teams Toney Douglas, you mentioned Snaers defensive desire, but is he currently capable of being that guy, or will Demercy see more playing time in those types of games filling that role?
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by CubFanRaysaddict on Oct 13, 2009 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
That is certainly a good question...
Demercy is a great defender. Unfortunately, he’s not quick enough to cover the smaller guards.
Snaer will need to step up. Kitchen will have to buy into playing defense. Loucks could be a really nice defender as well, particularly if he has increased his quickness. Dulkys is not going to make the ACC-All Defense team anytime soon.
Apparently, Pierre Jordan has really improved his quickness and playing ability. Haven’t actually seen him play yet, so hard to say if he will be the one to play the speedy guards.
Unfortunately, I don’t think any of those players have the knowledge about the subtleties of the defense that Toney had. That comes with experience, which many of these guys have little of at this point.
We’ll get there, but I don’t think our perimeter defense on the guards will be as good as it was last year (stating the obvious). Chris Singleton, however, I think and hope will turn out to be an outstanding defender. He really started to show a lot of that at the end of the year.
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YAY!!
A Seminole team that doesn’t make me depressed (yet)
2009 Rays Baseball: Welp.....we'll try again in 2010
2009 FSU Football: Bobby Bowden.........it's time to go
Be a TRUE Seminole: http://www.seminoles.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/071509aab.html
just wait until we beat jacksonvile (not st.) by 3 points
the ghost of stokes, camp, lugo strikes TB-sept 2009
by CubFanRaysaddict on Oct 12, 2009 2:23 AM EDT reply actions
reply fail jmb
the ghost of stokes, camp, lugo strikes TB-sept 2009
by CubFanRaysaddict on Oct 12, 2009 2:23 AM EDT up reply actions
SHUT UP
LET ME BE EXCITED ABOUT OUR ’NOLES, DAMMIT
2009 Rays Baseball: Welp.....we'll try again in 2010
2009 FSU Football: Bobby Bowden.........it's time to go
Be a TRUE Seminole: http://www.seminoles.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/071509aab.html
No
our Noles bball team is a way above avg team, as our previous 2-3 teams have been, but we constantly play down to our opponents. Until the Noles get that ‘Killer’ instinct we are going to play down to our opposition and not put pressure on ourselves to score some baskets and run away with a game. Get used to less than 10 point wins vs near division 2 teams.
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by CubFanRaysaddict on Oct 13, 2009 1:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Believe it or not they have a statistic for that: Consistency.
It means you don’t blow out the bad teams and loose by a ton to the good teams. I haven’t made up my mind as to what value to put int it but does exist.
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Any theories on why the tallest team in the country was terrible on the defensive glass?
My guess would be partly due to our emphasis on shotblocking, but there is more to the story…
by fsu44 on Oct 12, 2009 8:20 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
I felt we played soft down low. Mostly we weren’t in position to box out. It only takes one player to lose contain on their box out to lose a rebound and that was often times the case. If we can get Soloman to play like Reid (i.e. emotional) he should be able to drastically increase his rebound efficiency. I really hope they spent a lot of the Spain trip working on rebounds.
Felt like we were guessing and weren't very fundamental in our boxing out.
Also, we try to block almost every shot.
by Bud Elliott on Oct 12, 2009 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions
agree w/ the soft bit, (esp echefu) as well as the shot-blocking angle (alabi)
but you have to remember that our real height were all freshman (alabi/gibson and singleton at the 3) and will get stronger and meaner…
TC, in the years past a basketball write up halfway through the football season would have meant instant banishment to your room without dinner.
This year BBall can’t come soon enough. Let the madness begin.
TC, spectacular work as always and I share your optimism for our BBall program this year.
>-----:----:------>Spear 'em then Scalp 'em
by FrankDNole on Oct 12, 2009 10:10 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
First year in awhile I'll be interested in our games against
The Converse All-Stars and the Washington Generals and whoever else we play early in the exhibition season.
Now I know how Kentucky fans feel . . .
about this time of year.
Tell the truth, I’m actually pretty excited about the season.
by Dunder Mifflin Employees on Oct 12, 2009 4:06 PM EDT reply actions
I wonder if Louckes won't start at the point instead of Kitchen
he’s more of a natural point and less of a scoring point and his off season work will hopefully improve his quickness and defensive performance…
I think you're off on this prediction
While Louckes will see increased playing time Kitchen possesses great passing skills and has a decent spot up shot to compliment his driving (and feeding) skills that make up for his average D, with the loss of Toney Douglas he will definitely be needed to make up the points contribution. But if Luke can show the sweet stroke that made him such an affable prospect, FSU would be even better with the combination of the 3 point wizardry along with paint domination. But I think the safer bet is Kitchens ball handing/delivering skills with our front courts +Singletons abilites.
the ghost of stokes, camp, lugo strikes TB-sept 2009
by CubFanRaysaddict on Oct 13, 2009 1:14 AM EDT up reply actions
i guess i havent really made up my mind who i think will/should start
obviously getting them in to practice is the key step here -
its def splitting hairs, and i have a lot of confidence in either one – but i think kitchen is a little more of a scoring point, and louckes is more of a pass-first point
and if sneear is 1/3 as good as i think he’ll be we want him getting lots of shots and of course i think singleton will have a break out year, and there is always the 7’1 guy
so it seems to me that we have plenty of offensive fire power, we just need the distributor to make it happen –
and im leaning toward louckes at being the better guy to utilize their talents..
You make several great points
and I’m probably just seeing this starting rotation in a negative POV (thank you the rest of FSU sports), but if Alabi, Singleoton, Gibson, etc can improve we can without a doubt deal with a pass first PG. Also I guess even if it is just my distrust in first year players within this system (Snaer in this instance) to produce at an above average rate, but if he can adjust to our system and dish out as well as he can reportedly drive/shoot other teams are in for a Wake Forest/ [traditional}Maryland experience and not the play up to/equal to our opponents have experienced versuses superior teams in the very near future.
the ghost of stokes, camp, lugo strikes TB-sept 2009
by CubFanRaysaddict on Oct 13, 2009 2:19 AM EDT up reply actions
The more I thought about it
the more I think that LH will go with Kitchen -
while I tend to favor pass-first points, which would push me toward Louckes – I think the two are very close overall, and LH will likely go with the more experienced upperclassmen – but I would imagine Loucks will get plenty of time, esp if we work to push the tempo and go 9 or 10 deep on our bench:
Kitchen/Loucks
Sneear/Dulkys
Singleton/DeMercy
Reid/Gibson or
Alabi/Gibson or Kreft
Or insert Jordan in the mix and push everyone down a notch – run w/ 2 points for stretches (like we did last year moving TOney off the ball) and push Singleton to the 4 and Gibson to the 5
Excellent work TC
as always!
Co-conductor of the "Kirby Smart for DC 2010" Train!!!!
by NoleThruandThru on Oct 13, 2009 9:05 AM EDT reply actions
Fantastic preview...
love the break downs. Really excited for basketball season. I think it’s really important for players like Dulkys to find their 3-pt shot and contribute this year. I feel like that long-distance threat it what we really might be missing. We just can’t spread the floor properly and take advantage of our bigs without making other teams respect us on the perimeter. Hopefully Dulkys and someone else steps up to the challenge. If Snaer can really shoot like you say he can, he’s going to score a lot and get a ton of minutes for a Fresh.
I know FSU will always be a football school, but I wonder if the players know that they have an opportunity to become the hottest ticket on campus this year? Would be great to see the student and alumni fanbase grow with another successful season and tournament visit.







































