My Letter to the Boosters
This is the letter I plan to email to every email address listed here: http://seminole-boosters.fsu.edu/community/Page.aspx?pid=599
These are my feelings. Feelings are neither right or wrong, they are just feelings. I am just letting the Boosters know how I feel. You can agree or disagree with me, but I hope you would respect my feelings and opinion on this matter. I don't know, I guess my reason for posting this is maybe to inspire enough people to write in with their own feelings, either way. I guess my hope personally is, If the University is indeed financially motivated, maybe if they hear from enough people stating they will no longer contribute money, they will feel more pressure to take action.
To Whom It May Concern:
I write this letter to you today with an equal mix of pride, anger, embarrassment, and shame. I was fortunate enough and honored to attend our great University from August 1995 - June 1999, during the height of our football Dynasty. I have been a proud Booster and season ticket holder since graduation. From 1999 to 2004, I attended nearly every home game despite the 4+ hour drive. I attended many significant road games, including the inaugural "Bowden Bowl" versus Clemson in November 1999, the national championship win in New Orleans vs. Virginia Tech in January of 2000, and the win versus Notre Dame in South Bend in November 2003. In short, I am a true Seminole fan who lives and breathes Seminole football. I show this through my commitments to the team and University, both financially and emotionally.
I have been very angry to witness the results of the football team in 2009, and in years past, both on and off the field. Many times throughout this year and prior, the team and staff has looked lost and inept. This is both maddening and unacceptable. It is clear the talent is there, but it is not being utilized in the right way. The anger intensifies when I witness the complacency of the coaching staff and the flat-out refusal to make the necessary changes for the betterment of the football program.
When I watch Coach Bowden in post-game press conferences or virtually any public appearance by him in 2009 (and since 2001, for that matter), that is when the embarrassment creeps in. How a man, a leader of men, can just laugh off embarrassing losses AT HOME to USF and Georgia Tech (and many, many others) is beyond me. I never witnessed a loss at Doak during my entire time as a student, yet he acts as if they don't bother him at all. Wasn't he the same man who said a few years ago, that if the losses began to mount, that is when he would finally decide to step down? Have the losses mounted so much and become so commonplace that he is immune to them? Pardon my language, but it still pisses me off when we lose a football game. I don't see that same type of emotion in Coach Bowden, and that has to rub off on the players, I don't care what anyone says. If players see their head coach laughing off losses, they aren't going to treat the losses as a big deal either. Additionally, his refusal to acknowledge what the problems are, mainly that he indeed is part of the problem, adds even further embarrassment as he rambles on to reporters about God knows what, and makes sexist comments to female reporters that he thinks are funny but are just another black eye upon this University.
Finally, we come to shame, which is defined as "the painful feeling arising from the consciousness of something dishonorable, improper, and ridiculous, etc., done by oneself or another". Given that definition, there is so much shame surrounding this program because of certain dishonorable, improper and ridiculous things done by others. I am ashamed that Coach Bowden is our head coach. True, he built this program into a dynasty, and without Coach Bowden, FSU football would not have been able to achieve this. But yet now he is tearing it down, piece by piece, with his arrogance, foolish pride, and selfishness. Just because you are responsible for creating something does not mean you also have the right to destroy it. Are parents allowed to beat, starve, neglect, and, dare I say, kill their own children? Of course not. I am ashamed that T.K. Wetherell is our President. He is an enabler who allows Coach Bowden to continue to destroy this once proud program. I am ashamed at the fans that turn a blind eye to the problem, and show more loyalty to one person, rather than an entire program. In general, I am ashamed to be associated with the Florida State University and the Florida State University Seminoles football team right now.
The point of this letter is to let you know that I am ceasing any Booster contributions and season ticket purchases until Coach Bowden announces a definitive retirement date, hopefully effective November 28, 2009, immediately following the UF game. I don't believe that we will be able to move forward as a program until Coach Bowden has stepped aside and given full control of the program to Coach Fisher. I feel so strongly about this, that I am willing to give up the seats I've held for 10+ years, as well as stop supporting the school financially. I don't think it would be enough to still buy tickets and protest by not going to the games. That accomplishes nothing, as the University still would get revenues. Under my plan, the University gets no revenues AND there will be 2 empty seats in the stadium for every game in 2010 and beyond, as I am virtually certain there is not a "waiting list" for Seminole football season tickets.
This is a tough decision for me, and one that I did not take lightly. But I cannot give financial support any longer to a program so unwilling to move forward. Once a definitive announcement regarding Coach Bowden is made, I will be first in line to re-establish season tickets and Booster contributions. But until that time, I will not spend one more dollar supporting the football program. I understand that my contributions are not significant from a monetary standpoint, but for me, it is the principle of the matter. I cannot continue to support something I no longer have faith in to fix itself. Someone once said that insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. Each year I contribute money, believing that this will be the year that changes are made and the program will turn the corner and rid itself of the mediocrity of the past decade. That blind faith on my part ends now. If you wish to discuss any of these matters further, I can be reached at any of the numbers below. Thank you for your time and attention to this most important matter.
Sincerely,
Pinto
23 recs |
94 comments
|
Comments
A Very Nice Letter..
Pinto…A great letter…You might want to consider what I did a number of years ago…I moved the money that I contributed to the Boosters and created an academic scholarship to FSU….I will return one day to give to the football program, but not until they fix this mess…
Go Noles!
Well Said...
I too am a season ticket holder and contributor to our University. I attended Florida State from 1996-2000. I currently live overseas and still manage to get to a 2-3games a year. I havent been able to seriously consider giving up my seats until this year. Enough is enough. Florida State University will not receive another check from me as long Bowden remains head of our football program. I will be typing a letter as well and Fed Ex-ing it to the University tomorrow.
Rec'd
2009 Rays Baseball: Welp.....we'll try again in 2010
2009 FSU Football: Bobby Bowden.........it's time to go
Be a TRUE Seminole: http://www.seminoles.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/071509aab.html
Rec'd
Great letter. Unfortunately the only way the Admin will do anything is if money stops coming in. It hurts to do it, but it’s the only way.
This is the appropriate way to voice dissatisfaction
Pinto, I congratulate you for taking the time to communicate your thoughts in a reasoned and articulate manner to those who can actually do something with them. This is way change should be instigated… behind closed doors but with clear financial implications.
MUCH better than childish blackout stunts.
Very rarely is true change actually instituted "behind closed doors" that's the Conundrum...
His letter will likely line the trash can.
Only 50,000 letters and 20,000 black shirts or something of that magnitude will actually make political infuencers stop feeling Insulated from the everyday person which their decisions affect.
Yeah, right!
Rec'd
I wouldn’t go so far as saying without Bowden, there would not be FSU football.. Perhaps there wouldn’t be FSU football as we know it, for better or for worse. But it is reasonable to believe that a major university in this region woud have prospered in the world of CF with or without Bowden.
Don’t get me wrong, I am grateful for everything he has done pre-2000… But recent years have led me to seriously reconsider just how I will remember this man for the rest of my life.
Love It
Would you mind drafting a letter for me?
I was just going to wipe my ass with a piece of paper and mail it, but this seems much more appropriate.
All kidding aside, this is an excellent, well thought out letter.
Self Appointed Grammar Police
This isn't a text message, please communicate as if you received an education.
by RaysnNoles on Oct 12, 2009 12:18 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I like it but
unless you are a moneybags donor it isn’t worth the paper it is printed on. Just trying to be realistic.
Beg to differ
if just 1000 season ticket holders do not renew at roughly $600 a pop and not to mention if just half of them are boosters just in season tickets alone thats a Lot of cash I would tend to believe that someone would take notice at over a half a mil not coming in…
by Renegade_NOL3 on Oct 12, 2009 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions
er I meant
If enough people threatened to withhold the season ticket purchases that would definitely make the powers that be think a little bit harder. February is still 4 months away for renewal
by Renegade_NOL3 on Oct 12, 2009 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Heard back!
From Marcia Etheridge:
“I am out of the office. If you need immediate assistance please call the Boosters main number 850-644-3484, Rachel at 644-1130 or MaryPat at 644-2950.”
Bowden has already said
He has not wanted to announce his retirement time up until it happens so as not to get treated with the victory lap attention. Yet some of you say he is so selfish. He could be planning to retire with Mickey at the end of the year.
He also said he would wait till the end of the season to evaluate himself.
Was he telling the truth, or not?
He said many times that he would quit if we started losing 3 or 4 a year.
Was he telling the truth then, or not?
We could keep going here…..
He doesn't care.....
but so many fans just ignore that reality.
But what does it really say about him as a coach?
Send the boosters a pic

I will re-evaluate myself after the season
Playstation All American, right again!
TomahawkNation
Better to bear the rebuke of the wise than to hear the song of fools
I said on an earlier post that I would give up my booster support and season tickets if we ran off Bowden with the childish behavior I saw on other posts. I still plan to do just that. There is a difference between riding off into the sunset and being thrown under the train. I cringe on the “shame” part I guess because I too am ashamed of some of the things that have taken place, but not just over the last 8 years, but as far back as the Neon Deon days – remember “free shoes university”? I blame the student athletes themselves for those errors in judgement.
I too think it is time for a change. I only disagree with the way some folks think it should be done. Even if we were totally on different sides of the issue I would have to admit your memo is very well written!
Most of us just can't stomach having any respect for this man anymore
He has lost the right to “ride off into the sunset”
>>---l>
Does “most of us” refer to that group who banded together for the blackout Saturday? I watched the game on TV but couldn’t see anything but garnet and white.
It refers to the site members here
Don’t confuse the vast majority of the people inside of the stadium with the informed fans here
>>---l>
I understand. But isn’t it those paying fans in the stadium who FSU will listen to rather than those on a website?
Unfortunately yes, for the most part
There are influential people that read/participate on this site, but the vast majority of FSU fans are completely clueless as to what’s going on inside the program. Hence the general feelings of despair around here as of late.
>>---l>
Some of the fans here
Used to be the paying fans inside the stadium. I won’t go to another game as long as this goes on.
Playstation All American, right again! AKA The Vulture per Bobby Bowden
TomahawkNation
Better to bear the rebuke of the wise than to hear the song of fools
Unless more fans do what you and Pinto mention this all amounts to cheap talk. It can’t begin to compete with the $4,250,000 that FSU took in from 85,000 fans to just get in the gates at last Saturday’s game!
This is the second place you posted that ridiculous number of 85,000.
A) The attendance at last saturday’s game was 76,292. Sure that is the number of tickets sold, but far fewer than that probably even showed up.
2) The maximum seating capacity at Doak is 82,300, never has been anywhere near 85,000 and probably won’t be for a long time.
D) I doubt FSU sells every ticket for $50 each (students) which is what you figure equals, but I will let someone else argue how many tickets actually get sold and for how much.
Please redo you math accordingly.
>-----:----:------>Spear 'em then Scalp 'em
I hope there are 40K at the Maryland game
But I also hope those in attendance give Mickey a nice sendoff
>>---l>
I would say there was 70K+ there

Self Appointed Grammar Police
This isn't a text message, please communicate as if you received an education.
Who said anything about USF?
Self Appointed Grammar Police
This isn't a text message, please communicate as if you received an education.
Sorry...my point is the trend is down we don't sell out ANY games curently and it gets worse when games aren't big.
not to mention that the real money isn’t in ticket sales as much as TV. and our games get further away from prime time spots each year.
The Bottom Line: Winning is the only solution… the powers that be realize this and also that bowden can no longer get them there…they are just cowards…but enough is enough.
Yeah, right!
by truecolors on Oct 15, 2009 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
76,292
I stand corrected. I do know the price of my season ticket for that particular game was $55.
Remove the 10-15k for the student section that got in free, as well.
by basbalstr101 on Oct 20, 2009 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions
WRONG
Their ticket fees are included in tuition, while its not 55/ticket they are charged.
Self Appointed Grammar Police
This isn't a text message, please communicate as if you received an education.
As Bobby so eloquently states
I am now one of the vultures not one of the good guys
Playstation All American, right again! AKA The Vulture per Bobby Bowden
TomahawkNation
Better to bear the rebuke of the wise than to hear the song of fools
Update
So I received an email today from the Director of Development for Seminole Boosters in the Tampa area. He wants to meet for a lunch or dinner but says he’s not going to ask me to keep giving them money – that’s my prerogative and he respects it.
Should I be worried that Bowden might have a hit out on me?
Pinto
I am in the Tampa area too and would love to join you guys. Please let me know if this is a possibility.
Self Appointed Grammar Police
This isn't a text message, please communicate as if you received an education.
jechantlos@gmail.com
I can forward you my number after you email me.
Thanks
Self Appointed Grammar Police
This isn't a text message, please communicate as if you received an education.
Check your brake line before you leave
If there is a sneaky looking guy in the area about five feet tall it is probably tator tot.
Playstation All American, right again! AKA The Vulture per Bobby Bowden
TomahawkNation
Better to bear the rebuke of the wise than to hear the song of fools
Barnhart show
Bowden just said he has every intention of coming back next year on the barnhart show. Great interview by Tony.
My rich uncle is a booster who's not happy...
To date every college graduate in my family attended FSU and 95% played basketball and baseball (pretty recently I might add).
The Uncle mentioned above has been a substantial booster and season ticket holder for almost 3 decades.
THE SAD PART IS: his last two grandchildren went to UF as basketball and baseball players respectively, and his loyalty to FSU is now dwindling by a thread. all because of the polotics at the university.
Yeah, right!
Response From Andy Miller...
…President and CEO of Seminole Boosters, Inc.:
We all want what is in Florida States best interest . The decision will made at year end.
Andy
Thanks for the update.
Lets hope they have the stones to non renew BB.
They don't this is going to be a Jimbo signed contract with total control....only BB will end up deciding on next year..
at least the final outcome will be decided!
This is of coarse unless we miraculously get to 500 then it’s back to the drawing board.
Yeah, right!
"We all want what is in Florida States best interest"
If this statement is objectively acted upon, Bon Voyage le Bobby!
"We all want what is in Florida States best interest"
This is pretty cut and dried then Bobby will be leaving in November
Playstation All American, right again! AKA The Vulture per Bobby Bowden
TomahawkNation
Better to bear the rebuke of the wise than to hear the song of fools
Maybe I’m dense or maybe I’m cynical
But I fail to see how that statement indicates Bobby’s retirement.
Self Appointed Grammar Police
This isn't a text message, please communicate as if you received an education.
Cheap talk
You guys can gripe all you want but until you do as Pinto states in his letter your talk will not compete with the $4,250,000 FSU took in which 85,000 fans paid just to get into the stadium last Saturday – not to mention all the stuff they bought inside the stadium!
You're riding a sinking concept into the abyssmal Bermuda Triangel with captian scenial at the helm.
They are cowards not idiots…if we don’t start winning that 4,250,000 will keep dropping. And this temporary swell of support from fickle fans will go just as quickly as it came within weeks.
Yeah, right!
if we don’t start winning
We had a losing record BEFORE that game!
People ride the media tide for better or worse...
1. there were not that many tickets sold!
2. the people who did come where very much spurred on by the media with the bowden thing
3. that support will dwindle unless there is a MAJOR turn around in wins, and I suspect it would dwindle any way once we’re not plastered all over tv again.
4. Support was dwindling “BEFORE that game” and will go right back in the tube with the next few losses.
Yeah, right!
Let us know how many folks show up for NC State and Maryland.
And let us know how many stay until the end of the game.
I’ll have to get that amount from the FSU website because I won’t be at those games either – I have already sold my remaining season tickets. I am just as upset with our play as the rest of you. My difference is in the level of respect paid to BB. I agree he should retire but I will not be a part of a lynch mob.
Told you these people don't go to the games.
They leave it to us to support the team while they sit at home and respect Bobby. I promise I didn’t script his response.
Support the team
I suppose by paying for my 2 season tickets plus booster fees doesn’t amount to supoorting the team?
So the seats remain filled, you continue to pay booster fees
but think he should retire. So your feeling is he can stay on as long as he likes, and meh…he’ll die eventually? Is that right? Im beginning to think you like that we point out his deficiencies. You like that we call for his job to be taken away. You get to sit back and judge us, while one day enjoying the fruits of our anger. IF everyone was like you, we wouldnt even have Jimbo. We would have Jeff as OC, Amato as DC, and Bobby still staying away from the coal. Wow…I cant believe it took me this long to figure you out. Now I understand….
stay on as long as he likes
Nope, you don’t understand. I also ask for him to retire – not stay on as long as he wants. Nope, I thought at that time hiring Jeff was wrong and still do (I also think that was Bobby’s BIGGEST mistake). Nope, I thought at that time hiring Amato was wrong and still do. I do question the decision to make Jimbo the Head Coach in Waiting – I think that contributes to the problems we now have within the coaching ranks. But I DON"T question making him head coach for 2010. I don’t have a problme with your post – debate and discuss is fine. I have a problem with the posts that get really ugly – down in the gutter. Those are embarrassing.
by ClassyNole on Oct 20, 2009 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Fair enough...
let me ask you this then: What if at the end of 2010 he decides he still isnt ready? Will you go up in arms then? What exactly will be your reaction?
you didnt answer the question
how will you react?
I really don't know.
If enough folks like yourself try to enlighten and educate as to why my reaction should be much more vocal, I just light join that cause. But if more fans such as TRMNole prefer to critize and redicule those like me who have a more fluid position then I’ll probably do nothing.
if you haven't been enlightened by now
I’m not sure there is much we can do for you.
You may, in fact, be a lost cause. Try the search feature for this site.
See...
Matt was me a year ago. I was you. The bottom line is this. If everyone just sat on their laurels, nothing would get done, or rather on the path to getting done. Action begets more action. You think he is ridiculing you, what he is doing is ridiculing your position (since as others have noted, the evidence is staring you right in the face). If I may speak for TRM, I think he is just tired of wllful blindness. I understand the respect for Bobby, I do. The bottom line is that he needs to go, and we are the agents for change.
Look at Bud. He might not have started this site if he had not been denied the forum of warchant. I cant say that with certainty, but for the sake of argument lets say it was true. Without Warchant banning his different opinion, there might not be Tomahawk nation. Without Tomahawk Nation, I wouldnt have anywhere to go bc I wont pay for the premium articles. Since we do have TN I can learn more then I ever thought I would about schemes and what have you. So I say thanks to Warchant.
I think the argument got a little convoluted. The point = dont take it personal, just look objectively.
by Miaminole on Oct 23, 2009 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Agree Completely
with the first paragraph especially.
I also get tired of explaining what has become obvious to me over the past couple of years, even though I don’t do it near as much as some people who read this site.
It really does pain me to see Bowden driving this ship….I’m not on a witch-hunt, I don’t like calling for people’s jobs, and I don’t think Bobby is a bad person. But I don’t think he gets it anymore, and that makes me sad. All his comments get dissected, and I’m not going to address all that here, but his comments over the years have become very troubling.
His latest that make this about age are further proof of this. If Bobby were not 79, if he were 50, he would’ve been encouraged to find another position at a different school. Our administration has allowed this to happen. TK, in trying to help the program that he loves, had helped tear it down.
Some people don’t like the language there, “tear it down”. But I tell you this, when our QB says we’re going to “shock the world” by beating UNC, who was winless in the ACC to this point, that is a program that has been torn down.
Bobby built a lot of the structure at FSU. The booster organization, the stadium, the facilities. And for those things I am grateful. He was compensated for those accomplishments, just like everyone else doing their jobs. He did a job well, and he was rewarded. He hired the best coaches he could, and was rewarded.
Contrast that to whats’s happening now (past 8 years). If you can’t see the difference in what Bobby had done, vs what he is doing now, then you need to open your eyes. Take an objective look at what is happening at FSU.
Then come back and tell me Bobby should be allowed to pull in 2.5 million dollars to walk on the sidelines next year.
FSU had a big game for us against BYU
They were top 10 and nobody televised it! What does that tell you?
Playstation All American, right again! AKA The Vulture per Bobby Bowden
TomahawkNation
Better to bear the rebuke of the wise than to hear the song of fools
TV
I watched it on TV, don’t know about you guys. It was on Versus.
You're missing the point...fan support is way down...look up the numbers....we used to be one of the top revenue earners
now we are over $50 million annually behind the big names like Florida, Ohio State, and others.
Yeah, right!
Versus had exclusive rights to that game
ESPN couldn’t have carried it even if they had wanted to
>>---l>
Booster Re-newal
I just sent the boosters my intent to re-new and increase my level, semi- based upon their letter to me following my attendance(from out of state) at the BYU game . I have been a renegade since 1996 ( following graduation in 94), which was previously Warrior when it allowed for priority parking at games( same pay level). Since 2001 I have left the state for a new job, and did not see the reason to up my donation level to keep my parking capability. I have kept my season tix for bowl priority as that matter back then, and allowed me to come home to a game, once a year( I donated the other game tix to local BigBrother/BigSister so that future noles could experience that which was once a Doak experience).
I have toyed with the idea of a donation increase for a few years now, finding myself able to make a larger donation, but have passed. Finding myself like most, unsatisfied with the program development. So I chose to speak with my checkbook. Now that the majority has spoken and change for the future has been made, I again choose to speak with my check book. Increase my donation. Yes I will now be given a parking pass I will not use most weekends, yes I will still have tickets I will not be able to use but able to donate to those future noles, so the seats are taken.
But I will now know my dollars are going to the future of the program and the program is moving forward. Not standing still. I feel there are many more like me, out of state semi out of bounds so to speak in the area they live. But will do what they can knowing the program is moving again.
Being stuck here in little 10 land, that is how I see them make there money. Its not the in state people whom can drive back to town each weekend. It’s the alumni that move away that make up there booster base, sure everyone has there few big, big boosters, but its the thousands of little ones that make up the booster base. Our run was a decade long then had a short fall from grace. Once we see a true long term re-building of the program the booster base will grow, not in just FL / S Ga, but the nation wide seminoles out there.
So Go Noles. Squad Up
And any Minnesota Noles out there I am here.
Florida State Class of '94
Booster since '96
only MN season ticket holder and booster

by 
























