Florida State Film Review: FSU Posts Their Best ACC Offensive Performance in Ages
I don't feel like discussing the defensive performance because they won't face Georgia Tech again and Defensive Coordinator Mickey Andrews will be gone in 6 more games, as will the majority of the defensive coaching staff, a large part of which is either unmotivated, unqualified, or both.
But Jimbo Fisher's offense is proving to be one of the best in the country, both in raw numbers, and particularly when you account for opponent quality. Inside, I'll break down FSU against the rest of the country, discuss the changing needs of the offense after the Piurowski injury, and of course, break down the highs and lows of the game with pics and video.
FSU Scheduled Itself Into This Hole
Florida State's remaining ACC opponents have a losing record against 1A competition. Currently, FSU is in last place in the worst division of the BCS conferences. FSU will be favored in their remaining two home games (NC State and Maryland). Not to be overly-optimistic, because this team could obviously quit on the season, but they are likely to be undervalued from here on out. Their 4 losses are by 4, 5, 7, and 10 points. While I find it difficult if not impossible to root against my 'Noles in any one game, I am not finding it hard to hope they miss a bowl game while scoring a ton of points so that an elite defensive coordinator prospect will come and take over when Bowden steps down at the end of the season. That the end would come a month earlier by missing a bowl is an important benefit that drives my reasoning. With this offense, however, this is the best 2-4 team I can remember. FSU has scored 18 TD's against ranked teams. No other team has more than 10.
Here are the other 4+ loss teams in the country.
| Team | Record | Currently Ranked (AP) Opponents Faced | Opponents faced w/ winning record |
| Florida State | 2-4 | 4 | 5 |
| Maryland | 2-4 | 0 | 4 |
| Colorado | 1-4 | 1 | 3 |
| Syracuse | 2-4 | 2 | 5 |
| Purdue | 1-5 | 2 | 5 |
| Illinois | 1-4 | 2 | 3 |
| Memphis | 2-4 | 0 | 4 |
| Rice | 0-6 | 1 | 4 |
| Bowling Green | 2-4 | 1 | 5 |
| Kent State | 2-4 | 0 | 2 |
| Buffalo | 2-4 | 0 | 4 |
| Akron | 1-4 | 1 | 3 |
| Miami (OH) | 0-6 | 2 | 3 |
| Eastern Michigan | 0-5 | 0 | 4 |
| Ball State | 0-6 | 0 | 3 |
| UNLV | 2-4 | 1 | 3 |
| New Mexico | 0-6 | 0 | 4 |
| Washington State | 1-5 | 2 | 5 |
| Vanderbilt | 2-4 | 1 | 2 |
| Mississippi State | 2-4 | 3 | 4 |
| FIU | 1-4 | 1 | 3 |
| Arkansas State | 1-3 | 2 | 3 |
| FAU | 0-4 | 2 | 4 |
| WKU | 0-5 | 1 | 2 |
| North Texas | 1-4 | 1 | 4 |
| San Jose State | 1-4 | 2 | 4 |
| Utah State | 1-4 | 2 | 3 |
FSU is the only team to have played 4 currently ranked opponents. Of course, if they had beaten them, at least one of them wouldn't be ranked. Still, 120 teams, and only FSU has played 4 ranked opponents. Nobody has played more than 5 opponents with a winning record. Of course, if they had beaten them, at least one of them wouldn't be ranked.
Despite everything I write about this team, I will still maintain that they are a top 40 club. You absolutely must consider their competition level. They have not played a Maryland or a Virginia or a Duke yet. Many probably know some UGA fans. While the Dawgs sit at 3-3, they have played only 3 currently ranked clubs. Consider this:
If South Carolina converts any one of five field goal drives inside the Bulldog red zone into a touchdown instead, or converts its last-gasp pass into the end zone from inside the Bulldog 10 at the end of the game, or if A.J. Green fails to block Arizona State's go-ahead field goal attempt in the final minutes, this team could easily be 1-5. _Dr. Saturday.
Again, let's remember to evaluate performance and let the suckers stare blindly at the record.
Here are the 8 teams to have played at least 3 currently ranked teams, and their offensive performance in each game:
| Team | Yards/Play |
| Florida State | 6.3 |
| Mississippi State | 5.9 |
| Miami (Florida) | 5.5 |
| Washington | 5.3 |
| UTEP | 4.9 |
| Georgia | 4.9 |
| Virginia Tech | 4.5 |
| Kentucky | 4.2 |
FSU is first. #1. The ONLY team to have put up more than 6 yards per snap against currently ranked teams.
What an Offensive Performance!
44 points, 26 1st downs, 539 total yards. Against a ranked ACC team. When's the last time that happened? Let's go for the advanced box score:
| Total Yards | 539 |
| Total Plays | 66 |
| Yards Per Play | 8.2 |
| Yards per Pass Play | 9.1 |
| Turnovers | 1 |
| 1st Down Plays | 34 |
| 1st Down Successes | 21 |
| 1st Down Success Rate | 62% |
| 2nd Down & Short Plays | 3 |
| 2nd Down & Short Successes | 0 |
| 2nd Down & Short Success Rate | 0% |
| 2nd Down & Middle Plays | 7 |
| 2nd Down & Middle Successes | 3 |
| 2nd Down & Middle Success Rate | 43% |
| 2nd Down & Long Plays | 9 |
| 2nd Down & Long Successes | 5 |
| 2nd Down & Long Success Rate | 56% |
| 3rd Down & Short Plays | 4 |
| 3rd Down & Short Successes | 4 |
| 3rd Down & Short Success Rate | 100% |
| 3rd Down & Middle Plays | 1 |
| 3rd Down & Middle Successes | 1 |
| 3rd Down & Middle Success Rate | 100% |
| 3rd Down & Long Plays | 8 |
| 3rd Down & Long Successes | 5 |
| 3rd Down & Long Success Rate | 63% |
| Pass Plays | 38 |
| Passing Yards | 359 |
| Passes | 36 |
| Sacks Allowed | 2 |
| Yards Lost to sacks | 14 |
| Sack Rate | 5.3% |
| Passing TD's | 5 |
| Interceptions | 0 |
| QB Rating | 202 |
| Passing Success Rate | 58% |
| 1st Down Passes | 18 |
| 1st Down Passing Successes | 11 |
| 1st Down Passing Success Rate | 61% |
| 2nd Down- short Passes | |
| 2nd Down- short Passing Successes | |
| 2nd Down- short Passing Success Rate | |
| 2nd Down- middle Passes | 4 |
| 2nd Down- middle Passing Successes | 1 |
| 2nd Down- middle Passing Success Rate | 25% |
| 2nd Down- long Passes | 8 |
| 2nd Down- long Passing Successes | 5 |
| 2nd Down- long Passing Success Rate | 63% |
| 3rd Down- short Passes | |
| 3rd Down- short Passing Successes | |
| 3rd Down- short Passing Success Rate | |
| 3rd Down- middle Passes | 1 |
| 3rd Down- middle Passing Successes | 1 |
| 3rd Down- middle Passing Success Rate | 100% |
| 3rd Down- long Passes | 7 |
| 3rd Down- long Passing Successes | 4 |
| 3rd Down- long Passing Success Rate | 57% |
| Rushing Yards | 194 |
| Rushing Plays | 28 |
| Yards Per Rush | 6.9 |
| 1st Down Runs | 16 |
| 1st Down Run Success | 10 |
| 1st Down Run Success Rate | 63% |
| 1st Down Runs Stuffed | 1 |
| 1st Down Runs Stuffed % | 6% |
| 2nd & Short Runs | 3 |
| 2nd & Short Success | 0 |
| 2nd & Short Success Rate | 0% |
| 2nd & Middle Runs | 3 |
| 2nd & Middle Success | 2 |
| 2nd & Middle Success Rate | 67% |
| 2nd & Long Runs | 1 |
| 2nd & Long Run Success | 0 |
| 2nd & Long Run Success Rate | 0% |
| 3rd & Short Runs | 4 |
| 3rd & Short Run Success | 4 |
| 3rd & Short Run Success Rate | 100% |
| 3rd & Middle Runs | |
| 3rd & Middle Run Success | |
| 3rd & Middle Run Success Rate | |
| 3rd & Long Runs | 1 |
| 3rd & Long Run Success | 1 |
| 3rd & Long Run Success Rate | 100% |
| Net Offensive Penalty yards | -30 |
| FSU O/ Opposing D Penalties | 5 |
| Red Zone Chances | 5 |
| Red Zone TD | 5 |
| Red Zone Field Goals | 0 |
| Fumbles | 1 |
| Fumbles Lost | 1 |
65% on 1st down is just amazing, the the 63% in 3rd and long situations really reflects the good pass protection. FSU's 4-4 performance on 3rd and short was refreshing.
Tight End Caz Piurowski is done for the year. How can Florida State replace him?
This is not going to be easy. Let me start by saying thanks to Caz for being a great Seminole. Moved from tight end to tackle and then back to tight end, Caz was finally rounding into form and was well on his way to posting the best year from a Seminole tight end in over a decade. I'm not sure people understood the difficult transition back to tight end from tackle. Caz had just begun to finally get his body back to tight-end form and away from tackle form. An excellent blocker, Piurowski allowed FSU to have a 6th lineman on the field. Here's some examples of FSU struggling without Piurowski. Click the images to enlarge.
FSU's young tight ends and fullbacks just aren't set out to play in a jumbo package.
Here's another example:
That was an important 2nd half run play. It was 1st down. Reliford is still a basketball player, and while he has a ton of potential and is already a decent receiver, his blocking is just not there.
FSU Will Become A Spread Team For The Rest Of The Year
So we know that FSU can't replace Caz's blocking. I do, however, think FSU can replace his receiving, and through the use of some different formations, can be very effective running the football.
This is the shot of Jermaine Thomas' run. Notice how FSU removed the 2nd tight end and the fullback. That makes Tech take some of the defenders out of the box. It makes it easier to run. Also, no college team has the corners to match up with FSU's 3rd or 4th wideouts.
While the above shot wasn't from the shotgun, this play is. FSU ran it after the above blown block by Reliford.
There's also some solutions in the run game:
Some other things to think about here: Rick Trickett was with Rich Rodriguez at WVU and he really understands the spread run game. Expect FSU to run more from the spread this year.
The line play was good. FSU ran the ball well and didn't allow a lot of penetration. They did a much better job getting to the 2nd level and that sprung some of the big runs. Andrew Datko and Rodney Hudson were their typical rock selves, though each had a down play or two. Ryan McMahon played well but not great. David Spurlock mixed some great blocks with some boneheaded plays. Zebrie Sanders did a decent job against Morgan, and he continues to improve. Really can't complain about these guy. Overall, the line did a very nice job against #91 Derrick Morgan, who is a great player and he had his moments but was mostly controlled.
Ponder Had A Game For The Ages
Trivia of the day: This was the best game by an FSU quarterback, against a ranked ACC team, since... (I don't know the answer, so let me know. I think it will be back to the CW days). You're looking for higher than a QB rating of 202.
Ponder was 26-36 for 359 Yards, 5 TD's, and No INT's. Of his 10 missed passes, there was 6 drops, 1 Throwaway, and 3 off-target passes. He also had a completion on a badly thrown ball.
Ponder started out 5-8, then really hit stride and went 13-13 to finish the half with 18-21, 267, 4 TD. That is a perfect QB rating (NFL 158.3), Ponder has much improved mechanics and clearly has a great conceptual understanding of what Fisher's offense is trying to accomplish.
Reliford one drop. The ball high but both hands on it. Fortson who otherwise had a great game has two drops. Ponder was inaccurate on the quick slants. FSU ended up not throwing them, but they accounted for 2 of the off-target incompletions and 1 of the on-target incompletion. The other off-target pass was an overthrow to Owens on a comeback too high along sideline. On the 3rd and 13 where 2 guys were open, Bert Reed, who has otherwise played great, squeezes his post after the safety squeezed him, instead of maintaining his spacing, and that's why he ran into Owens. Great blitz/twist pickup and a nice throw by Ponder. Easterling and Reed alligator-armed two balls on back to back plays.
Georgia Tech played a lot of soft cover-3, and FSU did a nice job attacking this with comebacks and seam routes. Here's the comeback:
And while that exploited it for a small gain that turned into a big play, FSU also managed to burn them for a big play by design. Here's the Goodman TD. 1ST & 10 at the Tech 24.
Richard Goodman is the "X" receiver here. His job is to make sure he gets inside of the corner to his outside shoulder. The tight end (not the H-back) must influence the safeties, particularly the deep safety, so that Goodman can have a clean inside break. Dotted lines are pre-snap movement. The middle safety is influenced by the tight end's post route, and he can't make it over to Goodman in time, as Goodman splits the corner and deep safety and Ponder throws a strike.
And while FSU has one of the elite offenses in college football, they are not perfect. Here's the sequence that led to their one turnover of the game:
Click it to enlarge. This offense has a legit shot to be the best in the country next season, but the line with three true sophomores and two juniors is still growing. Occasionally they will make a mistake. They played very well overall, but must continue to improve. UNC, Clemson, and UF all have multiple NFL defensive linemen who will present unique tests as the season wares on
Here's two final pictures:
Jarmon Fortson is probably the most talented player on FSU's team and the 'Noles will keep going to him.
A quick rant: Can't believe coach bowden wouldn't let the offense go on 4th and 3 from their own 38. Punting is absolutely the wrong call when the defense can't stop their offense at all. Bowden took away FSU's chance to win with that move.
Oh yeah, can't forget about this.
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the "click to enlarge" isn't working for me =/
by pillsburysoldier on Oct 13, 2009 4:01 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Merci beaucoup
Muuuuuch better. Thanks!
by pillsburysoldier on Oct 13, 2009 4:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Je nais parle pas francais....
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by NaGaNole on Oct 13, 2009 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tu as du pain sur la planche?
I have six locks on my door all in a row. When I go out, I only lock every other one. I figure no matter how long somebody stands there picking the locks, they are always locking three.
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by NaGaNole on Oct 13, 2009 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oops...
Where did that question mark come from…lol
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by NaGaNole on Oct 13, 2009 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Golden Girls
I was five rows in front of them for the entire game. Did not minding staying until 1:00 AM
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by The Ryno and I Know on Oct 13, 2009 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ryno
What section are you in?
Also had a wonderful view most of the night.
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by RaysnNoles on Oct 13, 2009 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Written twice
Ponder has much improved mechanics and clearly has a great conceptual understanding of what Fisher’s offense is trying to accomplish.
Ponder has much improved mechanics and clearly has a great conceptual understanding of what Fisher’s offense is trying to accomplish.
Otherwise great article.
I’m with you in hoping we dont make a bowl game, there are no ’pros besides keeping the stupid meaningless bowl record going.
If you build it, they will come.
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by stevegrizzle on Oct 13, 2009 4:09 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Isn't it impossible for us to even go to a bowl unless we win out?
I thought Jax State doesn’t count toward our win total, so we would need 7 wins rather than 6.
Am I taking crazy pills?
by Fire Machine on Oct 13, 2009 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are allowed 1 FCS game to get to bowl elligibility.
Last year we had to win 7 because we played 2 FCS teams.
by MattDNole on Oct 13, 2009 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
gotchya
so we essentially have to win out and lose to Florida in order to go to a bowl game.
by Fire Machine on Oct 13, 2009 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Umm... nope.
We have to win 4 of our remaining 6.
by MattDNole on Oct 13, 2009 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Click to enlarge
on the last pic is still too small. Please enlarge more.
by robrrt on Oct 13, 2009 4:29 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
a few thoughts
1) when I saw the last pic on here with the blond I thought someone has to get that pic on here because it was a great shot.
2) When BB went into the locker room at the 1/2 there were 2 questions I found funny
a) the black t’s (No I didnt think they would show up)
there were 4-5 people behind him with them on.
b) what are you going to do to stop GT. anwser hes was in a state of shock.)
3) Our Offense is scary good. There are a few formations I like and some I dont get. What is the reason for the Splitback shotgun twin set with a TE.
TE T G C G T WR
WR
RB QB RB
Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry
by Desman on Oct 13, 2009 6:12 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
the first WR is out past the slot guy cant get it in there right.
Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry
by Desman on Oct 13, 2009 6:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You can run option plays out of that set (see: spread triple option above but with RB instead of motioning WR). Also, you can use that personel grouping to run 4 – 5 pass patterns and still have blitz pick up. We can get a lot of mismatches of RB on a LB in pass patterns, which we should win. Leaving both WRs on one side allows for a combo route, such as a smash, on the right with a TE dart + RB curl on the left. There’s a lot of ways you can spread the field, and create mismatches in this formation, then again you can do that in any formation.
Ultimately we have some playmakers at RB and it’s good to get them on the field together.
by evenflow58 on Oct 13, 2009 8:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
GREAT article...
wow. Thank you.
Side note: I am more and more convinced none of this matters. I think Bobby is winning the war, will be able to keep Chuck, will continue to ingore recruiting with the rest of HIS staff (not Jimbo’s), and Bobby will tear FSU to the ground next season. There have been insiders elsewhere suggesting Bobby is likely to win out.
I hope I am wrong….but Bobby owns FSU and after Saturday, it is apparent we have a TON of stupid, idiotic, brainless fans, who worship Bobby like a god and refuse to see him for what he is now……..a ego maniac, selfish, arrogant man who cares little for his players and nothing for FSU.
by noles55 on Oct 13, 2009 6:39 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
As of winning the war, Its a war he already lost
Its a matter of how does he want to lose the war. Jimbo is the next HC. He proved it again on Sat. That he has the tools to be it. BB, MA, and CTC showed why they need to leave. After no stopping GT they showed what our problem is.
Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry
by Desman on Oct 13, 2009 8:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So goes the story.
Our fans are really good at knowing everything about nothing. They seriously are some of the least intellectually curious mouth breathers out there. I would sooner have a conversation about football with the obnoxious drunk guy in a UF hat than any current or recently graduated FSU student. Present company excluded, of course.
"The other day I... uh, no, that wasn't me." - Steven Wright
by O-Town Nole on Oct 13, 2009 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not about those fans anymore
We are past the point where cheering Bobby on in the stadium will save him. Donations are down, merchandise sales are way down and attendance is down. It has become a money issue. And by the end of the year with the season we will have the same fans cheering him against GT won’t even go to the last home game.
by osceolafan850 on Oct 13, 2009 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Way off IMO
Bobby is done I believe.
by Bud Elliott on Oct 13, 2009 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great article, as usual!
You seem pretty confident that this is Bobby’s last yea. Do you have any reasons for this strong opinion other than the reasons that have already been presented?
I’m not disagreeing. Actually, I tend to agree. I’m just curious if you think there’s already been some private discussions behind closed doors, and, if so, why are they keeping it silenced?
by MKE Nole on Oct 13, 2009 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the longer it goes, the better chance we have that he will not be back.
And some people I trust are speaking of him in the past tense.
Maybe they are keeping it silent to avoid a media storm.
by Bud Elliott on Oct 13, 2009 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is gut wrenching.
I am ready for the new chapter at FSU. I can’t even fathom what it will be like again to have a whole team, with real coaching and excellent recruiting.
I feel like I am asking for the moon when this is really something this program should just expect on a yearly basis.
I hope you are right because I don’t think I could take it if somehow FSU allows him to stay and drive the program into the ground anymore.
by diablonole on Oct 13, 2009 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This was fantastic. The pictures really make the article
Can someone else do a cheerleader of the week article? We can send it to recruits.
by Weasie on Oct 13, 2009 7:12 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
For clarity
Success rates:
1st down = 30% of yardage
2nd down = 50% of yardage
3rd and 4th down = 100% of yardage
Is that correct?
by evenflow58 on Oct 13, 2009 8:36 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
After staring at words all day long, it's nice to look at lots of pictures :)
Nice article.
I know the offense had a great game, but I thought the consensus was that GT’s defense is really, really bad?
by FSUjab on Oct 13, 2009 9:11 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Tech's D is awful, there is not doubt about that
But FSU did what you are supposed to do against a horrible D, and scored a lot of points.
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by DOT COM on Oct 13, 2009 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd say they are bad
However, FSU scored more on them than anyone else, had more yards per play against them than anyone else, etc.
by Bud Elliott on Oct 13, 2009 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Had GT not held onto the ball for a good part of the 2nd half
Our offense would have put up more points. Ponder could have gone for 400+ and possibly 6 TD’s.
by CSI Nole on Oct 13, 2009 9:58 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
And that's why we look at yards per play
Because GT controls how many plays we get.
by Bud Elliott on Oct 13, 2009 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was smart on their part
I also thought I saw Nesbitt go down on purpose a couple of times.
by FSUjab on Oct 13, 2009 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yesterdays Jeff Cameron show
I could be wrong but I thought Jeff stated that Amato put together the defensive game plan for GT?
You’d think we’d be sitting at 5-1 or 4-2, after reading yet another great piece from TN.com!
Ahhhhh, the infamous Golden Girl!
by CSI Nole on Oct 13, 2009 9:51 AM EDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
I believe that, but confirmation has been tough.
by Bud Elliott on Oct 13, 2009 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
GT game thread
Someone mentioned that there was NO interaction between Jimbo and CTC on the sidelines (things that make you go, hmmm). I recall seeing CTC instructing our D, as Mickey stood behind him and watched.
by CSI Nole on Oct 13, 2009 10:06 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
To be honest, I have yet to read through the 1600 comments
Just haven’t had time. That is interesting though. Good catch.
by Bud Elliott on Oct 13, 2009 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If someone recorded the game, they could probably confirm
by CSI Nole on Oct 13, 2009 10:27 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
I recorded the game. I might be able to get into it this week, but perhaps this weekend depending on things at work.
Do you know generally at what point of the game that someone mentioned it? Because our defense played poorly the whole game.
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by FSUvaFan on Oct 13, 2009 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't recall
But I’m pretty sure someone mentioned the distance they kept from one another. Some time during the game, the camera was fixed on our D, CTC and MA. CTC was talking them up, as MA stood behind and had the look of defeat (was not involved at that moment). From that alone, I would assume that CTC was given the opportunity to run the show and failed miserably.
by CSI Nole on Oct 13, 2009 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok, everyone I talk to says it was Amato's gameplan and amato's game.
by Bud Elliott on Oct 13, 2009 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder who’s idea this was. Didn’t go so well for CTC.
by evenflow58 on Oct 13, 2009 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Best. News. Ever.
It could only get better if the rest of the stupid media knew, and reported it. I would love to think that the University already knows how incompetent CTC is, but I doubt it. If it was splattered across the news blotter, there would hopefully be a 0% chance he was retained, and maybe even let go before THIS season is over. Side benefit would be that Mickey wouldnt have to shoulder the blame for the atrocity that was that offensive “defensive gameplan.”
by Miaminole on Oct 13, 2009 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It scares me that they were giving him the chance...
Does that mean they were testing the waters to see if he could take over as DC perhaps?
"I'm falling apart, I'm barely breathing, With a broken heart thats still beating, In the pain is the healing, in Your Name I find meaning, So I'm holdin' on.. holdin' on to you."
by FSUvaFan on Oct 13, 2009 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It definately seemed
like CTC was talking to the defense more then MA. MA did not seem like his ‘in your face’ self either. He was waaaay too mello.
by KnoxNole on Oct 13, 2009 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
CTC vs. Jimbo
I saw a very different CTC in the GT game compared to the BC game. In the BC game after the missed field goal on the ABC camera/coverage you can see him mouthing off to Jimbo. In the GT game whenever the cameras were on the sidelines he was either next to Bobby of Mickey alone. He also had a scarred look on his face. I don’t know if that was from the fear of being destroyed by the triple opt or from being put in his place.
by revival on Oct 13, 2009 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Manningesque
Excellent way of putting it. He really does remind me of Peyton with his checks at the line. It’s nice to have a smart guy running the system and a smart guy calling it. Imagine what we could do with smart guys on both sides of the ball?
>>---l>
by DKfromVA on Oct 13, 2009 9:54 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Haven't heard about EJ in a while
Hope he is still progressing well, and will be a smart guy under center as well. It’s something we’ve lacked since Weinke
by PBD on Oct 13, 2009 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have heard dirty rumors that he might be transferring after this season
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by RaysnNoles on Oct 13, 2009 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wrong
No shot. He’d have to learn a new offense and would be a Junior wherever he went.
by Bud Elliott on Oct 13, 2009 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's a shame he hasn't got more playing time, BUT
when you’re battling for your life in every game you’ve got to leave the starter in.
by karmanole on Oct 13, 2009 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm pretty sure he knew he wasn't going to be a starter until his RS Junior year when he got here.
Jimbo had talked up Ponder quite a bit before he signed.
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by Tyler on Oct 13, 2009 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's going to step into an offense in 2011 that should be stacked...
Why would we have and him out there this year? Ponder looks great…
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Elayne Boosler
by NaGaNole on Oct 13, 2009 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What stinks is that EJ doesn't get clean-up duty because we don't pull ahead of teams. Think how much EJ could be learning this year...
just 3 – 4 stops from the defense a game and it could have been possible.
"I'm falling apart, I'm barely breathing, With a broken heart thats still beating, In the pain is the healing, in Your Name I find meaning, So I'm holdin' on.. holdin' on to you."
by FSUvaFan on Oct 13, 2009 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes Jimbo if very good
That is why I expect the Terry/Bobby PR firm to be here very soon with another knock on him. Once Jimbo takes the reigns and brings FSU back, Terry will have to find a job a job somewhere on his own merit.
Bear in mind the offensive players are still young and will be back next year along with a senior quarterback. Can someone now please find us some offensive tackles or does Jimbo have to do this also in his spare time?
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by DocHoliday2 on Oct 13, 2009 10:00 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Thats why we need to get rid of our defensive staff RIGHT NOW to start fixing the defense!
we can’t get any worse than we are now (or if we could, it wouldn’t make a noticable difference).
Its not the programs fault that some legendary coaches stayed too long and are now in a position of embarrasing themselves… They did it, not anyone else so to say its disrespectful to kick them out in the middle of the season is just another blinded example of misplaced resonsibility over people’s egos.
"I'm falling apart, I'm barely breathing, With a broken heart thats still beating, In the pain is the healing, in Your Name I find meaning, So I'm holdin' on.. holdin' on to you."
by FSUvaFan on Oct 13, 2009 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just wanted to say thanks, FSUn
Articles like this are the reason that Tomahawk Nation is the best FSU site around. It’s okay to get the coaches quotes after each game, but this kind of analysis of what is actually happening is awesome!!!
Also second the comment above about our idiot fanbase (if you can call it that). Seeing comments on other articles makes me think that people who follow (loosely) FSU would need to pool their resources to have any kind of rational thought. I already knew that people (in general) are stupid, but I underestimated the ability of the internet to allow all village idiots the ability to be heard…
And what the heck is up with the hot girls sporting the “I heart Bobby” signs? Can’t we get some guys to explain things to them? Surely they barely know who Bobby is….
by PBD on Oct 13, 2009 10:05 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Maybe
The signs should read “I heart who Bobby used to be”
by PBD on Oct 13, 2009 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or
“I Love Bobby, He’s like a Grandpa, All Cute (Except for the runny nose part), and was real cool at one time, hehe”
by Bud Elliott on Oct 13, 2009 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I meant to say defensive tackles
Fisher’s wife doesn’t appear to be the type that craves media attention and wants to show how big her cahones are!
Playstation All American, right again!
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by DocHoliday2 on Oct 13, 2009 10:42 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Article
From next season’s standpoint, I couldn’t have hoped for that game to unfold any better than it did.
Since FSU football is pretty depressing, I vote to add one “blow up” cheerleader picture to the end of every post for the rest of the season.
by tpamike on Oct 13, 2009 11:16 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Summary of information found on this site lately
Don’t let the good news slip away from you!
Jim Smith one of the original trustees who brought Bobby Bowden to FSU has gone on record as saying enough is enough. Jim Smith is the most powerful man at Florida State University and has served as State Attorney General and Secretary of State. Smith has indicated that feedback on his opinion has been very positive.
Betty Steffens is working on a five year contract for Jimbo Fisher at present.
Smith has gone on record indicating that Bobby Bowden should retire at the end of the season and all hiring decisions turned over to Jimbo Fisher whom he cites is being blamed for a lot of things he has no control over.
Jim Smith, the chair of the university’s Board of Trustees and a 1962 graduate of FSU, also said it is time to eliminate any doubt about Jimbo Fisher’s role and responsibilities in the football program.
"My hope is frankly that we’ll go ahead, and if we have to, let the world know that this year will be the end of the Bowden Era," said Smith, who has served as Secretary of State, Chief of Staff in the Governor’s Office and State Attorney General. "… I do appreciate what he’s done for us, what he’s done for the program, what’s he done really for the state of Florida.
"But I think the record will show that the Seminole Nation has been more than patient. We have been in a decline not for a year or two or three but I think we’re coming up on seven or eight. I think enough is enough."
“We’re not paying to support an average or mediocre program," Smith said. "We’re paying for a quality program, and we’re not getting that right now."
Smith cited sniping among coaches, too many bosses and expressed his desire for Fisher to take over immediately after the last game of the season saying it is sort of like "you have to put your favorite dog down; you know it’s the right thing to do but you sure feel bad about it."
“Jimbo is in a very, very tough situation where people assume he has a whole lot more authority than he really has, Smith told The Associated Press. “He’s getting blamed for a lot of things that is not his fault.”
He also said fundraising has slowed significantly, and the school has an obligation to fans and alumni to be competitive. After losing to USF many fans and alumni threatened to speak with their wallets. This was especially true after allegations of coaches fighting and lame duck coaches underming Jimbo Fisher.
I take absolutely no pleasure in this, "Smith Said, "I love Bobby Bowden, but I tell you what, I love FSU more.
In my opinion things began to unravel for Bowden after he installed his son as offensive coordinator at FSU by skirting Florida nepotism laws and without a proper search for the most talented individual available. It is sometimes referred to by FSU alumni as the “lost decade” In the face of calls for his ouster Bowden encouraged his son to ignore it and stay on board.
Bad feeling was consequently further inflamed by Bobby Bowden referring to Seminole fans with criticism as Play Station All Americans and vowed he would not listen to ebay posters. He further instigated the firing of popular and former FSU quarterback Peter Tom Willis, a broadcaster who stated Bowden was running a highschool offense. Bobby Bowden has also stated fans were lucky he still wanted this job.
His troubles were not helped as pointed out by Jim Smith who cited comments made by his son Terry Bowden were not helpful and hurt the University in may ways.
“Pay him (Fisher) Terry told the Birmingham (Ala) News. “What did they pay former Auburn coach Tommy Tuberville when they fired him (5.1 million? What are they going to pay dad when they fire him? Nothing. He’s retired. I’m just saying pay him and keep going.”
Opposing coaches have been showing Terry Bowden’s comments to recruits. There are also allegations that Bobby Bowden has also hired a PR firm to perk up his image. He is probably his own worst enemy in this regard along with wife Ann who accused the boosters of betraying her husband.
During a recent interview Bowden refused to comment on most of the above stating simply, "Everybody has their opinion, don’t they?" I certainly have mine and it is time for Bobby to ride into the sunset.
Hiring a PR firm and having it appear that you want a clean sweep to install yet another son at FSU was not a good move and the boosters flat turned down Bowden’s pleas to buy out Jimbo Fisher. The most powerful booster Jim Smith also was some action in this direction by T. K. Wetherell before he retires at the end of this year.
Playstation All American, right again!
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by DocHoliday2 on Oct 13, 2009 11:17 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
I am here to serve
I don’t know if Bud wants any pics on the front page though.

Playstation All American, right again!
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by DocHoliday2 on Oct 13, 2009 11:50 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
GOD BLESS AMRIC
Damn my wifes here.
Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry
by Desman on Oct 13, 2009 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
See discussion thread for full details
LOL
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by DocHoliday2 on Oct 13, 2009 11:55 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Bud, I was skimming thru the game on DVR last night.
On the only negative rushing play for Jermaine, I didn’t notice Beau’s missed block. However, I did notice that our center got completely pwned and driven directly into Thomas’ path by #96. I think that play has duel-liability for #88 and #60.
by The K-Man on Oct 13, 2009 12:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
$60,000 Question
So how much improvement is possible in the off-season if we score a quality DC? In other words, is our defensive talent capable of quickly blossoming with real coaching?
Am fully blown away by our offensive production and confident it will continue to improve consistency. Also amazed at the quality of this analysis – I don’t hit the pay-sites (at least not for my sports addiction…), but can’t imagine it could compete with this stuff. Bravo!
by ExpatNole on Oct 13, 2009 12:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think if we get Deas, McCloud and the other leans on our board
and McAllister gains a lot of weight in the off-season our defense would be significantly better immediately. Our LB’s will have a lot of learning to do, breaking terrible habits and what not. But altogether a fully competent defensive staff with a scheme fit to defend offenses of today will do wonders for us.
by truenole87 on Oct 13, 2009 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
could be a bit above average
Jacobi, Demonte, Reid, Harley and Moody could all be really good next year if they get a lot of playing time this season and quality coaching in the off season. Bradham can blow up if he has quality coaching and a surrounding cast that allows him to make plays. If those guys step up and get a lot of attention it will make the jobs of everyone else around them easier, as will the fact that they will most likely only have to hold people under 24-21 points.
by osceolafan850 on Oct 13, 2009 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is off topic but...
Did anyone see the block Leon Washington made on Channing Crowder last night before the half? It was ruthless. it was awesome.
They replayed it a couple times and the commentators were saying how it’s publicly known that Washington and Crowder hate each other.
by jimbrophoto on Oct 13, 2009 1:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Saw it. Enjoyed it very much.
>>---l>
by DKfromVA on Oct 13, 2009 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Loved it...
would love if some comp literate person could set up a screenshot or something so I can save it to my computer. Im a dolphin fan, but hate Crowder, and it goes without sayin that I am a big Leon fan.
by Miaminole on Oct 13, 2009 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was better in person and the crowd was pretty stunned, although the outcome of the game was awesome.
>-----:----:------>Spear 'em then Scalp 'em
by FrankDNole on Oct 13, 2009 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Spread option
Great write-up. It’s refreshing to read about actual football.
With a long week to prepare for UNC, it will be very interesting to see if Jimbo and Trickett install a spread triple option package. Not only do I think the option will help the running game, but it also opens up the option pass.
It takes an incredibly disciplined strong safety to read the spread option correctly. If the safety and corner start cheating toward the run, they become very susceptible to the long pass on the outside.
If we had even a mediocre defense, this season would be a lot of fun instead of a weekly ace whipping.
by IAHNole on Oct 13, 2009 1:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Thanks!
Yes we will run more spread-option stuff.
by Bud Elliott on Oct 13, 2009 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The game
Vanderbilt commit Jared Morse a three star defensive tackle was at the game. This seems to be a new name popping up. There was also an Arkansas DE committ Dimitri Orr, 6.3, 230 at the game.
These two defensive tackles are still available
Steve Creech Orange Park, Fl 6-3, 293
Calvin Smith Hialeah, Fl 6-4, 265
Toss in McCloud, Camron Irving, Damien Jacobs on board, Darious Cummings most likely. There are still going to be some defensive talent coming in hopefully.
Tajk Kimble a 3 star running back has also been attending most all FSU games
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by DocHoliday2 on Oct 13, 2009 1:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Doc we will take two 300+lb JUCO dt's outside mccloud.
by Bud Elliott on Oct 13, 2009 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I assume you mean 2 more 300+ DL
Deas will be a DE…a really massive 6’6 305 lb DE with 4.8 speed….
I have six locks on my door all in a row. When I go out, I only lock every other one. I figure no matter how long somebody stands there picking the locks, they are always locking three.
Elayne Boosler
by NaGaNole on Oct 13, 2009 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Rec'd
just because the idea of it makes me smile
by truenole87 on Oct 13, 2009 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Deas and who else?
I have probably mssed some of this. Is this Deas related to the one who wore the purple suit and top hat who wanted to go to Auburn?
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by DocHoliday2 on Oct 13, 2009 2:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Nice Rundown
1. I will be rooting, hoping, praying we can finish out 4-2. I really want to make a bowl. I’m kind of liking the possibility of us wearing all garnet on the blue Boise turf. I want to keep the bowl streak alive. And I don’t think Bowden steps down regardless. So, may as well keep our streak alive.
2. The only thing I don’t like about our offense is it’s consistency. We get into the red zone and start to sputter. Or we run shit in the first half and then to start the second half our offense is just puttin’ around. Not to mention the inconsistent blocking and ball handling from one game to the next.
3. The only true complain I have about Ponder is that he doesn’t secure the ball very well when he’s under pressure. That’s the second time he’s fumbled the ball while in the pocket this year and I think both were avoidable, especially this one against GT. Sometimes he overthrows his receivers on simple out routes, but if he completes ~68% of his passes it’s not a big deal.
4. Is there any way you can do a breakdown versus top 40 defenses, as opposed to ranked teams? I mean, GT is ranked, but their defense is fairly weak. So, what does it really say?
by tricknole on Oct 13, 2009 2:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Fisher addressed the fumble
Said Ponder did nothing wrong. Reading the coverage, had 2 hands on the ball, just got hit by a guy he didn’t see.
We didn’t sputter in the redzone last week… 5 trips 5 td’s…
I thought the bad passes were slants. Are you talking about the season or the game?
Well are they top 40 defenses because they haven’t faced any good offenses?
Nobody has put up more points or yards on Miami, BYU, or GTech than FSU did.
by Bud Elliott on Oct 13, 2009 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
3. - Fumbling the ball in the pocket.
This is NOT a knock on Ponder. I think he’s absolutely sensational and I gush over his play this year.
But he has fumbled in the pocket every game except for BYU, I believe. One chink in an otherwise outstanding set of armor.
by The K-Man on Oct 13, 2009 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder what our record would have been if our defense was even mediocre
2009 Rays Baseball: Welp.....we'll try again in 2010
2009 FSU Football: Bobby Bowden.........it's time to go
Be a TRUE Seminole: http://www.seminoles.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/071509aab.html
by JMB on Oct 13, 2009 9:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Im pretty sure we could have increased our chances of winning each game by 25-30 %
"I'm falling apart, I'm barely breathing, With a broken heart thats still beating, In the pain is the healing, in Your Name I find meaning, So I'm holdin' on.. holdin' on to you."
by FSUvaFan on Oct 13, 2009 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I take that back... you said mediocre, so 10-15%
"I'm falling apart, I'm barely breathing, With a broken heart thats still beating, In the pain is the healing, in Your Name I find meaning, So I'm holdin' on.. holdin' on to you."
by FSUvaFan on Oct 13, 2009 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tony Barnhart
Bowden just said he has every intention of returning next season to Tony Barnhart in a great interview. He asked probing questions. Refreshing.
by Ponder This on Oct 13, 2009 9:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I HAVE POSITIVE NEWS
Everytime we lose, scUM’s SOS goes down
2009 Rays Baseball: Welp.....we'll try again in 2010
2009 FSU Football: Bobby Bowden.........it's time to go
Be a TRUE Seminole: http://www.seminoles.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/071509aab.html
by JMB on Oct 13, 2009 9:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I mean really
In case any of us forgot the idiots that we are dealing with here is the real reason we are losing this season.
nolewonder
The offense should have scored more than the other team to win. Think of this, our defenses of the past kept us in many a ballgame. Now that the defense is sputtering the offense should take it upon themselves to score more points to make up the slack. That’s what we are missing. Offense , please stop blaming the defense for this season, because 60% of the time you have blown the game because of dropped passes. And your inability to be able to punch the ball in from the 5 on in , is attrocious. The O has killed us more than the D in this season l. Everybody needs to get their head out of their a-s, and come together. If that is possible with this blame game team.
That was taken from nolesports.com I almost chocked when I read it.
by 21nole24 on Oct 14, 2009 1:31 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Find this person. Corporal punishment is in order.
>>---l>
by DKfromVA on Oct 14, 2009 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
step back and take off the partisan glasses
I know many of you get defensive about talking up the offense. I am not here to knock he offense, but despite their great yardage numbers and big point totals in some games, they were partially responsible for the losses to USF, BC and the close game to Jacksonville State.
by nolestuff on Oct 15, 2009 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Our fans got hellaswag
But they have been out schemed. It is time to check the fluoride levels in the Tallahassee water supply.
Playstation All American, right again! AKA The Vulture per Bobby Bowden
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by DocHoliday2 on Oct 14, 2009 9:47 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Is Rick Trickett's compliments of North Carolina's Dline
just blowing smoke up their a** or are they really as good as he claims? If they are really the best FSU will face so far this year as he claims, does that mean they could be as tough on FSU as USF’s line (I find that hard to believe).
I was happy with the offensive performance in the GT game, but even though GT is ranked, its defense is not much better than the Nole’s defense. I expect the UGA – GT game this year to be a shootout as well.
by nolestuff on Oct 15, 2009 4:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
So
Does the offense run some draws, screens, etc to negate them?
by nolestuff on Oct 15, 2009 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Possibly.
Have to watch them more to be honest.
by Bud Elliott on Oct 15, 2009 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, if you thought USF's line was good
Wait til you see Carolina’s
>>---l>
by DKfromVA on Oct 15, 2009 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but I am hoping
It was blitzes that USF brought that distracted the blockers and freed up the DEs. If Carolina does not blitz like them and just brings regular pressure I think our Oline will do better.
by nolestuff on Oct 16, 2009 1:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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