Florida State Recruiting Update, 10.14.09
This a jam-packed day. As always, we funnel coverage to the 2010 Big Board and the 2010 Recruiting Map. Remember to get out and watch these prospects play. On to the coverage.
Current commits: (click the links to read more)
- DL Darious Cummings (note: Cummings committed before FSUncensored took over the site.)
- S Chad Abrams (note: we did a overview in a March WORT after Abrams committed.)
- DE Tavaris Barnes
- Holmes Onwukaife
- De'Joshua Johnson
- Tank Sessions
- Telvin Smith
- Jared Haggins
- Terrence Brooks
- Cameron Erving
- Clint Trickett
- Nigel Terrell
Some notes, could FSU salvage the 2010 class, and the most important recruit in this class may be headed to FSU next year
Observations:
- As everyone knows by now, Lowndes OL Ed Christian has decommitted. I don't think that he likes Bowden very much. FSU will be in this if they get rid of Bowden.
- Tampa Catholic WR Christian Green still maintains a top four of FSU, UF, UGA, and USF. Hard to get a read on this kid, but FSU still has a pretty good shot.
- I can't really get a read on STA DB Lamarcus Joyner. However, people I trust are still confident he will be a Seminole. By the way - Joyner has broken his hand and will be out until the playoffs. Coach Coley and Joyner have an outstanding relationship.
- I am still confident on Lake Howell LB Christian Jones. Early playing time should be a huge sell, and he has amazing FSU ties.
- First Coast DL Tavaris Barnes and Astronaut DL Darious Cummings are looking around a bit. As long as Odell Haggins remains on staff, I expect them to stick with their commitments.
- Glades Central athlete Greg Dent continues to play extremely well this season. Last Friday, he caught 5 passes for 135 yards and a TD.
- CB Terrence Mitchell will be a dogfight. He was once considered a very strong FSU lean. Well, the times are a little different now. I think FSU and UGA will be the main players. He enjoyed his visit to Athens.
- I would not expect LB Jeff Luc to end up at FSU. Looking like an UF-Tennessee battle. Luc will still official to FSU. FSU should hammer home the "early playing time" sales pitch and hope for the best. Check out this Miami recruiting update with a tidbit about Luc - Miami's interest in Jeff Luc has evaporated. "He's too stiff on film and he's a coach killer," one UM scout told me. This could be some sour grapes. However, Luc has been reported to be unimpressive this season. Nevertheless, I would take him in a heartbeat.
- FSU has to identify sleepers this year. Good players fall under the radar all the time in places like Florida and Georgia. If a sleeper commits, reserve judgement on that player until you see film/a scouting report.
Charles Deas - The most important recruit in this class?
Recently it was reported that Pearl River C.C. DL Charles Deas was close to committing to Florida State. This would be huge for this program. Deas was the top DL in Florida in 2006. The cliffs - signed with LSU (because of Jimbo Fisher), did not qualify, committed to Auburn, did not qualify, resurfaces at Pearl River. Deas will have two years to play two. He says he is working hard in the classroom, and Pearl River does a great job of getting kids qualified.
Deas is a freak at the DL position. South Florida recruiting guru Charles Fishbein contributes:
Deas was one of the best DT to come out of South Florida in the past ten years. You look at DT like Pat Sims who went to Auburn and now plays in the NFL. Sims played at Dillard as did Charles Deas. With Deas you got a bigger, stronger and faster version of Sims. He is naturally strong. He is just tough to move off the football. He will come in and start. FSU has not had a DT this talented since Corey Simon. Consider some of the DT that have come through FSU since Simon, that is saying something. He has the talent to be a first round pick.
FANtastic football clips No. 33 - Charles Deas (via RecruitingJunkie56)
Deas, with his freakish combination of size and quickness, should upgrade the DL immediately (providing he gets to FSU). As Fish said, Deas is likely to start if he makes it in. He might the most important recruit in this class. Hopefully he can have a Terrence Cody-like impact the 'Noles next season. Be sure to check out Fish's site, which is Elite Scouting Services.
2011 OLB Ryan Shazier - 6'2'' 200 4.6 (Plantation High School, Pompano Beach, FL)
I have to give credit to Charles Fishbein here. He told me about this kid in an email about a week ago. Shazier is a prospect that has been blowing up this year. He plays DE for Plantation, but will obviously make the move to OLB. Fish told me that he expects this kid to get up to 225-230. Very explosive off the ball. Shazier has recorded a 38 inch vertical, which is extremely impressive for a junior in high school. Kid could grow into a monster. If he wants to move to OLB, there are definite questions about his cover skills. I hope he attends some camps so we can see how he does in coverage. Definitely a prospect to watch out for.
Here are some good highlights from sophomore year.
Charles Fishbein's quote to me: "You should see his highlights from this year."
And here they are: http://www.elitescoutingservices.com/teampages/florida/broward/plantationhigh/highlights/ryanshazier.html
Can Florida State maintain this recruiting class?
Much has been made about how FSU's struggles on the field will affect the 2009 recruiting class. Like everyone knows, it will affect the class. But maybe not as bad as you might think. FSU might have actually lucked out in recruiting the '09 class this year, as funny as it sounds. Elite talents like Lamarcus Joyner, Christian Green, and Christian Jones were/are extremely interested in FSU. If not for their lifelong fanship and FSU ties, the 'Noles would not be even in the race for any of the three. First off, this will not be a top 5 class. The recent losses have ensured that. This class, however, can be a top 15 class. With luck, a top 10.
Step 1 - Announce the succession plan IMMEDIATELY
Recruits do not want to play for Bobby Bowden anymore. You have 'Nole recruits joining the Blackout Facebook group. Seriously, the recruiting class would remain in place if FSU just announced that this is Bowden's final year. Fisher and Coley can at least salvage this class.
Step 2 - JuCo Defenders
FSU will need immediate help next year. JuCo defenders can provide that. Basically, JuCo players want to play (even more than your average high schooler). FSU (obviously) can offer major major PT to a player, so that means the 'Noles are an attractive option. NolethruandThru mentioned some good prospects the other day. Charles Deas, Debrale Smiley, and Anthony McCloud have already been covered.
I have heard that FSU is taking a hard look at DT Akeem Moore (6'5", 325) from Mississippi, CB Mike Harris (5'11", 185) from El Camino in Cali, and possibly Willie Downs' teammate Johnnie Dixon (5'11", 190) if he can get some character concerns resolved. I've also heard Damien Jackson thrown around and massive James Carmon (6'7", 370), but it is too late for Carmon IMO
Of these names, the most one I know most about is probably Johnnie [Lee] Dixon, who is a DB that graduated from Glades Central in 2007. Tremendous raw talant as ESPN noted that year. If FSU can squeeze two years of eligibility out of him, then I think the 'Noles should give him a hard look.
Step 3 - Fire Chuck Amato and Jody Allen RIGHT NOW (I don't count Mickey because he is retiring anyway)
It is state law that all state positions be published for at least 1 month, as FSU is a state component unit it is classified under that law. If we get rid of them, and have interim coaches (such as promote Stroud for the rest of the season), when we hire our new staff they will be able to hit the ground running, err hit the ground recruiting. Maybe the new staff could have a Tennessee like impact as far as recruiting goes.
Question of the Day: Have you seen any FSU prospects play this year? If so, how did they look?
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JUCOs are a must right now....
FSU should take as many JUCO DL as they can find. There is no such thing as too much this point.
I wonder if FSU can move some of these small DTs to DE and some of these small DEs to LB. Get bigger overall.
FSU won’t fire Allen and Amato now because Bobby is a complete fool who only cares about his personal interest.
I am not sure how long the successoin plan will TK. I think TK is slowing things down honestly. He wants no part of hurting Bobby’s feelings, but he won’t get out either.
I am not sure if it is worth it keeping Odell. I don’t want to lose any recruits, but Odell has been a liability for a while now…..and I worry he is burnt out and worse tainted but this crap coaching staff. He has learned bad lessons…..can he really unlearn them now?
I disagree with taking as many JUCO DL as possible
I would limit it to 2-3 DTs and 2 DEs at the most, but only that many if some of them are 1 year plans. Get a few 1-2 year guys in to give the younger kids time to develop and RS, but we still need to bring in HS talent at DL. Move McAllister to DE for goodness sake.
From JUCO, I would love to see FSU bring in 2-3 DTs (McCloud and Deas, maybe Moore), 1 DE (Carmon’s teammate, his name slips my mind right now), 1 CB (Dixon/Harris) and if FSU could find a hard-hitting safety I would be on board with that, but we may have to wait another year (Downs if he makes it- could be Reggie F. Nelson part 2).
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by NoleThruandThru on Oct 14, 2009 9:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Probably.
Berry, Nelson, Johnson/Peterson, Kirkpatrick are on that level. I probably forgot someone too.
Who is this James Carmon guy?
6’7, 370 sounds absolutely unreal. Can he move?
Obvious comparison is Terrence Cody
and, interestingly enough, Bama is after this guy to possibly fill that massive void after Cody goes to the league.
I don’t think Carmon is quite as talented as Cody, but he would obviously fit Bama’s scheme perfectly. FSU is too late to this game IMO, but if we land Deas and McCloud I think we are set. It would not make sense to get more than 2 JUCO DTs in one class, particularly if Deas is only here for one year.
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by NoleThruandThru on Oct 14, 2009 8:55 AM EDT up reply actions
I thought the update said
Deas would have 2 years? I wasn’t sure if that was right or not with him graduating HS in 2006.
If he's as good as advertised, we may only have him for 1
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by NoleThruandThru on Oct 14, 2009 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions
James Carmon
I do not really see Alabama offering him a legitimate scholarship. Alabama has been looking at him, but it seems unlikely especially with the depth at defensive line that they currently have. There has really been no talk of him lately. I think it just the Terrence Cody size comparisons that keep his name being brought up.
Agreed
He does not have Cody’s quickness.
by Bud Elliott on Oct 15, 2009 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions
One prospect not mentioned in the update:
Kenny Shaw. FSU has nothing to worry about here.
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by NoleThruandThru on Oct 14, 2009 8:56 AM EDT reply actions
Give up Lattimore
and I think FSU has essentially sealed its fate with any of the EE candidates outside of McCloud and Smiley.
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by NoleThruandThru on Oct 14, 2009 9:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Lattimore
Is the least important of the three. I was really wondering whether we have any shot at Miller or Willis. It almost seems that not going to a bowl game would improve our chances as we could have a quicker resolution of our coaching staff changes.
It depends on who FSU targets
A position coach or two may get here sooner rather than later, but the #1 candidate for DC will very likely be playing in a January bowl game. Might not be able to contact until after the MNC game for all we know at this point.
Thankfully, Joyner seems set on announcing NSD. That gives FSU time.
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by NoleThruandThru on Oct 14, 2009 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions
DJ Johnson
Any chances he will start looking around? Just to confirm, Greg Dent is his cousin, right?
by CSI Nole on Oct 14, 2009 9:21 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Johnson will take visits
but I am not worried about him. He is committed to playing for Fisher and is well aware of the coaching situation.
I do not know if Dent is his cousin.
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by NoleThruandThru on Oct 14, 2009 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions
I heard that 5* Juco DE Wayne Dorsey
Was getting a visit by Jimbo soon and he might set something up. This would be HUGE IMO the kids is supposed to be a beast 6-8 255 sound like Mario Williams. UNC is all over him as well as Ole Miss.
Interesting, hadn't heard that.
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by NoleThruandThru on Oct 14, 2009 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions
I thought we made him an offer back in July or August?
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There should be 9 coaches visiting him....
including all of our support staff.
FSU needs to start recruiting like their jobs depend on it. Thank god for Jimbo, but Bobby and his boys just don’t seem to care anymore.
Unfortunately
Their jobs do not depend on it. They know they are gone after the season so they probably could care less.
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That’s why I want these guys canned ASAP.
FSU hasn't offered him (I don't think).
Kid has some film on YouTube. He’s pretty good, but I don’t know about Mario Williams…..
I also wish we would make another run at former Dreadnaught DT John Brown
Don’t know if he would still be intrested but this kid absolutely loved Odell and FSU in HS. We backed off because his grades were so bad, but of coarse UF found a way for him to qualify (along with dumb ass Torrey Davis, lol.)
Brown is committed to Tennessee
and Odell is no sure thing to stick around next year.
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by NoleThruandThru on Oct 14, 2009 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah I know he's committed to TN but there also bringing in at least 2 other Juco DTs
Don’t know if he’d be intrested or if we’d even intrested at this point but he’s was a pretty dominate player at Lakeland and was a huge FSU lean at one point. He might have took the TN offer because we hadn’t showed any intrest. Don’t know just specualting.
At this point
Getting recruits away from Tennessee is like getting Bobby to say he is retiring.
Aint gonna happen
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That might be true but never underestimate home state ties.
The draw to play in front of friends and family is a huge factor for some guys. Esp. when there PT readly available.
I'm not sure if that outweighs the opportunity to play in pro style defense under a legend
Who will get you ready for the NFL draft.
Or come to FSU where he will have no idea who his coach is?
Not that tough of a decision when you think about it.
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Maybe but Markus White came last year when he had tons of options
to play under much better DE coach’s at premier schools. Look at Barry Wright a couple years back we had like 6 linebackers who were NFL prospects and he still signed out of JUCO with us, you never know.
Not too high on Lattimore
and as most know he will probably end up with Spurrier at SC. He will be a great fit for our zone blocking, but we are loaded at RB right now. Would love to see a lot of LB’s and DL talent signed. Any new rumors on CJ Mizell and David Perry?
Mizell is not looking too good off the field...
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That's a shame on Mizell, some kids just don't get it.
Kid could be a first rounder in a couple of years.
Yeah was worried about that
wish Mizzell would pick it up. He could definitely help us. Love Perry as well. He has a 6’6 frame and is way undervalued in my opinion. I know he hasn’t been playing football long, but the upside to this kid is amazing.
What's the deal with Richard ash?
Seems like everyone has cooled on him…
by noles 4 life u dig? on Oct 14, 2009 9:56 AM EDT reply actions
I heard combine warrior thrown around a couple times
Also heard things about his motor, drive and instincts not being the best. Anybody know what his weight is now? Seemed to be a little on light side earlier in the year.
Perry seems like a major boom or bust type prospect
How’s he looking so far this year? Being that he’s so raw right now it’ll probably take him at least 2 years to be a real factor.
FSU is definitely looking hard at Perry
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by NoleThruandThru on Oct 14, 2009 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm with you on this one DK
Like I stated above I love Perry’s upside even though his inexperience in football is a negative. He has a monster frame and at 6’6 can do some serious clogging up front. His work ethic is also amazing.
Fisher's presser he doesn't seem worried...coach speak?
I know they do it, but he seems REALLY TRANSPARENT in interviews even with strategy. I think he really feels he can pull in a descent class.
Yeah, right!
FSU's class isn't going to be the trainwreck that many people (rivals) are predicting
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by NoleThruandThru on Oct 14, 2009 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions
It could be EASILY....
all it takes is for Bobby to delay changes or somehow hire Amato as DC.
I don’t think it happens, but it is not crazy to suggest this class could be a HUGE issue.
The ONLY thing holding it together are Jimbo and Coley. TWO men holding the ENTIRE program together. That is a LOT of pressure…..and half our fan base is so loyal to the head man, they attack Jimbo just because they are angry about Bobby.
I think you are overconfident.
I think you are being dramatic
How am I overconfident by saying FSU’s class won’t be a total trainwreck? That doesn’t mean I think FSU will have a top 10 class, I think you are implying that. FSU will not have an outstanding class, but neither will we have a garbage class like Clemson did last time around. I think it’s going to include guys like Shaw, Jones, Joyner, Deas, etc.
Overall I think it will be average (probably middle of the pack ACC), which is definitely disappointing when we consider what it COULD have been. However, I am fine with sacrificing a great class for coaching changes. I’ll take that 10/10 times.
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by NoleThruandThru on Oct 14, 2009 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Also, I am very confident that this staff will do its evaluative homework
Not something I could say about years past!
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by NoleThruandThru on Oct 14, 2009 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Kirby Smart, huh?
I’d rather have Bumpas from TCU….just saying…
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Yeah man, I think Smart would be the perfect fit for the next few years
Give time for Manny Diaz to learn how to be a big time DC.
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by NoleThruandThru on Oct 14, 2009 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions
IYO, Diaz > Demo if they are both assistants...?
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3 years from now, yes
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by NoleThruandThru on Oct 14, 2009 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions
I think Smart is a pipedream
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I thought so for a while too, so I don't blame you
Check back to TN tomorrow for a discussion on this.
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by NoleThruandThru on Oct 14, 2009 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
I guess scheme wise...
I think the state of FL would be a goldmine for a 4-2-5. Who produces more great DBs than FL?
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We would have to start teaching tackling then
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There are usually a lot of studs coming out of TX
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With new coaches I would hope they could teach something like that
because the ones we have now cant.
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Hands down I would love that but
at the same time you are taking away on LB from the total size so in the size matters area you replace a LB with a S or CB. I love the idea of the 4-2-5 and I think its a great way to stop the spread because it puts more people in space to stop passes and runs outside. you could have 8 in the box and only rush 4. Its almost like having a 4-4 with more speed than power.
You are right Fl would be a gold mine. The only downfall is that NFL teams wont look at the S and FS the same. And it could hurt the LB in the draft too. I dont know to much about that. We would need some bigger LB for sure and a bigger DL as well.
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I've never been a big fan of the 4-2-5 but
Miss St. ran it in the early part of the decade when they were decent and WV ran it last year, not sure about this season.
TCU's defense is elite, and has been for a long time...
Top 20 in the nation good. I’d love to see how it would work with the guys FSU can recruit…
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I have never seen it but other than in NCAA the game.
I love it there but X’s and O’s there are not even close to the same. I like the idea and when you have a team build of speed I could see it working but you would have to have a strong and big O-line that can get a pass rush without blitzing. FSU cant get a pass rush now w/ LB blizing now so I dought we will see this change for a few years.
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It would definately be intresting to see done as a base defense
with premier athletes on a game to game basis. I saw the Jets run 5 DL, 1LB and 5 Dbs this year against Houston and it worked like gang busters, DB’s were blitizing from all over the place.
I could see this agesnt GT but we wouldnt have the people to run that
A version maybe but Its going to be hard to run this. Going to have 3 new people in the secondary and 2 SO. Not saying its a bad thing because hopefuly we have a new DC with a new plan.
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It would be awful especially against tech...
they would have problems getting off perrimiter blocks. and inside for that matter with smaller bodies.
Triple 0 is about winning up front…size matters up front.
Yeah, right!
See I dont think it matters if we run
a 4-2-5, 3-4, or 4-3 because our fron 4 can not get pressure. If we can get some size from JrCo Great but Its not going to change a thing tell we can get someone to stop up the middle and get some pressure from our DE.
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right against option which is quick hitting at the line
you need size 4-3 offers the most size.
Yeah, right!
It's a wash for me...
Some people question if Smart is the DC, or if Saban is still running it. Smart wpuld bring a recruiting ties in Alabama, and that’s always a plus. On the other hand, Bumpas has been successful for years, and he’d bring recruiting ties from TX and LA with him. I think a base nickle might be more successful at stopping the spread. Against the spread, Alabama gave up 31 points to UF, and 31 points to Utah. TCU held Utah to 13 pts. I think Bumpas’s 4-2-5 defense might be even better with the talent he could recruit here…
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Bama didn't want that Utah game.....
Holding UF to 31 last year was pretty good. Remember Bama was up going into the 4th quarter. I think that if Bama had FSU’s current offense last year, they would have beat UF.
Bumpas – he’s old and how well would he recruit?
Bumpas was not the recruiter on record for any of TCU's recruits last year.
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At this point I'd be doing back flips if we..
Held on to our commmited guys,
Signed Joyner, C. Green and Mitchell
And evaluate, target and sign 3 or 4 JUCO DL’s who can get into school and contribute from day one. We can’t afford to miss with JUCO’s like we did in the past. No More Nate Hardage’s or Robert May’s, these guys have to be real contributors.
Ugh I shudder thinking about Zach Hillery
4 star Zach Hillery….. lol.
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by NoleThruandThru on Oct 14, 2009 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Walter Jones was a JUCO....
I know FSU has had success with them as well.
Yes, there have been failures, but same with high school kids.
Oh, don't get me wrong I'm definately not anti JUCO
But the position were currently find our selves in we can’t miss or take queston mark guys because we absolutely need them this year. If were wrong on these guys if will really hender our defense next year.
We’ve gotten plenty of Studs from JUCO in the past, Javon Walker, Walter Jones, Milford Brown was pretty good (although he didin’t live up to the Walter Jones comparisons), Chauncey Davis was a factor here as well.
FSU has to explore JUCO options this year
I’m confident we won’t have a repeat of Shannon Boatman or Surrency and that these guys will make consistent contributions.
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by NoleThruandThru on Oct 14, 2009 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
We definately have to this year, It's absolutely critical and
Are coaches better be at there school verifing heights, weights, checking their grades with a fine tooth comb, and getting as much feed back as they can on these guys attitudes, because this is one year we cannot afford to get burned by guys not getting inquitting half way through practice, or not being in shape enough to contribute.
If our defense is going to do anything next year it’s going to need all these guys to pan out.
Slightly disagree
with current class and a handful of top defensive prospects we can get the ball rolling on the Fiser Era…
Offense is one of the best in the country save a little experience. They are all back most likely!
Defense simply has to make a stop or two more (which good defensive coaching should allow for at a minimum) and we’re 5-1 or possibly 6-0 this year. Tech also comes off the schedule next year.
Yeah, right!
I would take Corey Surrency 10 out of 10 times given the oppurtunity.
Like FSUncensored said, defenses were seriously worried about him.
Boatman, I agree.
surrency was also the best blocking wr we had last year
and was a big part of the success of all those bubble screens
I am not talking about Surrency the player
I am talking about Surrency the situation.
Although it would’ve been nice if Corey had brought his hands with him to Tally.
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by NoleThruandThru on Oct 15, 2009 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
what about Dawsey?
OH YEAAHH!
by TBfisherman on Oct 14, 2009 12:50 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I think Dawsey is OK....
especially compared to our defensive coaches. But I don’t think he is a great recruiter. Good? yes,….but not great.
Same thing with coaching. Good…OK, but I don’t think great.
Ted Meline is supposedly opening his recrutment back up
He’s another guy I woldn’t mind us making a run at him if he was willing to play Safety.
What are the goals for the Def next year. Im betting we are shooting for an average Def. If we can get a Def that can stop the other teams at least 3 times a game that will be a big improvmet. I like our LB right now. Yes they could use some size but give the size to the D-line and that will make them even better. Undersized LB have speed for the most part and that will help with Spread teams so we can cover better.
What is the deal with Mizel. Would love to get that guy back.
Our secondary is going to take another hit after this year with p-rob but #5 will make a big step next year and he learns to relax. They are going to be young but that might just be what we need.
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Any NFL assistansts names with ties to college or Jimbo that are surfacing yet?
These guys could leave sooner than the college guys. Didn’t Zook leave the Saints during there season to take the UF job?
I heard a rumor that a guy whose name starts with an "M" and ends with an "attDNole"
was going to do a story on potential new coaches this week.
Yeah.......
it’s getting late in the week!
Diaz/Coley/Demarest—the holy trio of SoFla recruiting?!?!?
Considering the circumstances, I think I'll allow it.
Just be careful with all that MattDNole Premium info I’ve handed out via Gchat this week.
rivals dropped luc to a 4*
fwiw
http://rutgers.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1001293
Port St. Lucie (Fla.) Treasure Coast linebacker Jeff Luc dropped from the No. 12 spot to No. 25, and also slid from five stars to four. The 6-1, 230-pounder remains one of the nation’s most elite players, but a senior evaluation by Rivals.com analysts showed a few small flaws in his game.
“Luc struggled to get off blocks and it was apparent that his inability to make plays versus Daytona Beach Mainland was hampered by stiffness issues,” Every said. "The bottom line is a five-star linebacker should be making plays regardless of the opponent, and Luc was unproductive.
“That should not take away from all of the positives he brings to the table. We’re still talking about a kid that ranks among the top 25 players in the nation. He’s still an extremely special player that will definitely see early playing time on special teams and work his way into the starting lineup by his second season. He also remains one of the hardest-hitting prospects in the nation.”
in other words sence a ACC team wants him hes not as good of a player.
Bet if he commits to a SEC team he jumps back ot a 5* over night
Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry
Bradham should be at MLB
Hopefully the new LB coach considers the possibility.
Co-conductor of the "Kirby Smart for DC 2010" Train!!!!
by NoleThruandThru on Oct 14, 2009 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions
ha works for me.
I would still take him the rest of the LB corp. right now
Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry
I would take that with a grain of salt
Mainland is no pushover school. They went 11-1 last year and really benefited from turnovers in this game. They also were mad because they lost their first game of the year against Central. I’m so so on Luc, but scoring him would be huge.
Luc's body builder physique has always been a concern for me
flexability is so important in football. That was also my main concern with Vince Williams coming out of HS as well. I remember when Derrick Gibson bulked going into his junior year, he never seem like the same player to me, seemed like he lost all his fluidity, if that’s a word, lol.
I’d still love to have Luc though even if he’s not an everydown backer, guy can really lay people out.
I think he is going to Illinois
Just came back from a second visit to that school. Hopefully he hated the cold weather. Seems to like Reggie Mitchell though and he took another one of his Hialeah teammates with him on the visit.
It's a possibility
Illinois currently sits at 1-4, although our record isn’t much better. Still it’s worrisome when a recruit takes a second visit in October to a team that is terrible and takes teammates with him. Hopefully though the weather gets to him or he decides to say closer to home. Mitchell is also a factor in this and has been recruiting this kid hard.
You'd definately have to consider them the favorite at this point,
I’m not sure how much of a player Miami still is in his recrutiment either, They were considered the favorite and one point early on.
The word was
That we had really become a player in the past few weeks because of pitching playing time with Miller out of the picture. I hadn’t heard much recently, though.
>>---l>
Bowden in 2010
Bobby wants to be head coach, next year. So the FSU admin will be following his wishes.
http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/10/13/bowden-im-leaning-toward-coming-back/
Hopefully, BB will get out there and make visits and calls to bring in the top players
yeah this interview has been discussed
right here
http://www.tomahawknation.com/2009/10/13/1083829/bowden-not-going-anywhere
Heather Dinich seems to have a different perspective
http://espn.go.com/blog/acc/post/_/id/5084/bowden-prediction
FSUncensored seems to agree with Dinich and I hope he is right
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I'll be seeing Onwukaife Friday
I’ll let ya’ll know what I think, especially with how he fits into, say, a 3-4.
by FSUGrad99 on Oct 14, 2009 2:17 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Probably not to bad since he is a DE/OLB hybrid...
I have six locks on my door all in a row. When I go out, I only lock every other one. I figure no matter how long somebody stands there picking the locks, they are always locking three.
Elayne Boosler
Not recruiting at all
but lets call this an easter egg for goin this far down.
Also, I am a dolphin fan, but totally loved this.
I said the same thing to my friend.
I said, I know it’s crazy but I’m rooting for Leon Washington over Channing Crowder.
SQUAD UP!
New Rivals250 and DTs
Perusing the new 250 and noticed two DTs from the state of Georgia, Mike Thornton 6’2’’ 280 and Jeff Whitaker 6’3’’ 295, both 4 stars. Says we have not offered. Anyone know why? They seem to be the right size, local talent, numerous offers… stars are not everything but these guys are getting widespread attention but none from us. Just curious.
Call me crazy, but.....
I think the current state of FSU football will actually help us in recruiting this years cycle. I believe much of this will hinge on how soon Jimbo can get his defensive staff in place and when Booby (oops, I meant Bobby) goes, things could really takeoff.
The most important thing to recruits nowadys is playing time and that’s the biggest weapon any new coaching staff has on the recruiting trail.
Deas
Please tell me its pronounced the way I think it is, so I can get started on a “Deas Nuts” custom jersey…
Deas
I palyed with deas in hs and is real cool he is doing better in miss and gotten his act straight dont know if he ends up at FSU but you take him regardless…
FSU needs “right now” players for next year on defense because its lookin like the offense is going to be nasty good next season and we need a D that will provide stability to at least slow down teams next season Deas and Mccloud would provide instant help and we need DE’s also because Marcus white will not cut it
Right on
FSU needs "right now" players for next year on defense because its lookin like the offense is going to be nasty good next season and we need a D that will provide stability to at least slow down teams next season
Offense will be unreal next season.
what was the problem with him in HS and his early JUCO years
Grades, or grades and misbehaving?
by tdchrisdavis on Oct 14, 2009 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Cummings
I have seen him play a couple games this year, and he is pretty good! My only complaint is that he takes quite a few plays off. He had a tough matchup against Palm Bay and got wore out in the second half. Hopefully he will take D-1 a little more serious and get in shape to compete every down.
About Kiffin in the Palm Beach Area
http://pbgametime.com/news/lane-kiffin-is-roaming-the-area-will-he-skip-the-muck-schools/61729/
But skipped Pahokee and Belle Glade?
Are you a Seminole or Vol? Your screen name would indicate the latter.
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- Ty Cobb
Seminole
I made my user name after Chris Volstad. Pitcher for the Marlins. So I got 2 great teams to cheer for, the Noles and Marlins…….. Kinda sad actually
It appears that Aubrey Phillips left Auburn
For non-football related medical issues.
by CSI Nole on Oct 15, 2009 11:27 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Ryan Shazier
Got any info on him? Apparently we offered yesterday
by Nole Holds Barred on Oct 15, 2009 5:13 PM EDT reply actions
Thanks
Don’t know how I missed that. I like the highlights
by Nole Holds Barred on Oct 16, 2009 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I am starting to think that FSU will need...
about 3-4 JUCO DL and 2-3 JUCO LB just to have a shot of being decent next year.
2-3 JUCO LBs??
I agree with you on the DL and I would also say FSU needs a JUCO CB (or two) and a S if we could find a good one, but I don’t think the LBs are in such dire needs. I don’t know of any JUCO LBs FSU is seriously after…
Co-conductor of the "Kirby Smart for DC 2010" Train!!!!
by NoleThruandThru on Oct 16, 2009 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions
FSU has ZERO depth at LB next year....
and I like the incoming recruits, but they are mostly kids who will need a year or two before they can help.
It will be a mistake NOT to look at some JUCO LB.
Greg Dent set to announce on Nov. 14th
When they take on Pahokee, per ESPN.
by CSI Nole on Oct 16, 2009 9:19 AM EDT via mobile reply actions

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