Who Might Jimbo Fisher Select as Florida State's New Defensive Coordinator?
I think at this point it is clear that Florida State may be searching for 1-5 new coaches starting in December. It has always been the policy of TomahawkNation to address such rumors thoughtfully and carefully, with an eye towards the future development of the program.
In the past few months on TomahawkNation, people have repeatedly wondered who Jimbo Fisher would target when given the opportunity to hire his own defensive staff. For quite some time, the only names we have been able to suggest are Greg Hudson, defensive coordinator and linebackers coach at ECU, and Manny Diaz, defensive coordinator and linebackers coach at Middle Tennessee State. These two names are frequently mentioned due to their connections to Florida State and to Jimbo Fisher, their youth, and their relative success at their current schools. However, they have also been discussed ad nauseum for the past 15 months within the Seminole community. After the jump, I will offer a few other possibilities that Jimbo Fisher may look at when considering his new defensive staff.
Keep in mind, the hiring of friends and previous coworkers is not in and of itself a problem. The hiring of unqualified friends and coworkers is the problem. Bobby Bowden's mistakes were hiring son Jeff Bowden as OC when he had demonstrated little if any gameplanning ability and certainly nothing resembling the qualifications of an elite offensive coordinator. He made the mistake of handing the LB job to Chuck Amato without a proper search and allowing Chuck to coast. The following candidates represent talented and effective coaches who are more than just friends of Jimbo Fisher. Keep in mind that the three most effective assistants on Florida State's staff (Coley, Trickett, and Dawsey) were hired due to their: A) abilities as coaches (including age. The potential coach must be born after 1958. FSU has the oldest coaching staff in the nation and that stigma has hurt recruiting some as the old coaches simply don't relate to the recruits. Any coach older than 52 on Jan 1 2010 is excluded) and B) previous connections to Jimbo Fisher.
Disclaimer: This purpose of this post is not to suggest I have any "inside" information about who Jimbo will hire. The Diaz and Hudson rumors were born out of internet speculation, not through any public statements from Jimbo Fisher himself. I merely wish to highlight a few successful defensive coaches who have worked with Jimbo and/or Florida State in the past and might be open to doing so again. Universities frequently hire search committees when looking for new coaching, consider this post your official TomahawkNation search committee.
Disclaimer 2, Electric Boogaloo: As I said before, this article doesn't suggest that this process is guaranteed to happen this off-season. I personally believe it will in some fashion, but I cannot say for certain.
In order to gauge how much money Florida State is willing to spend, let's first look at the current salaries of the 10 football coaches. (source)
Head coach Bobby Bowden: $2.435 million
Offensive coordinator Jimbo Fisher: $630,375
Defensive coordinator Mickey Andrews: $315,105
No. 1 assistant Chuck Amato, linebackers: $305,000
No. 2 assistant Rick Trickett, offensive line: $300,000
No. 3 assistant Odell Haggins, defensive line: $200,000
No. 4 assistant James Coley, tight ends: $190,000
No. 5 assistant Jody Allen, defensive ends: $140,000
No. 6 assistant Lawrence Dawsey, wide receivers: $135,000
No. 7 assistant Dexter Carter, running backs: $130,000
I believe it is too much to expect from the Boosters to continue this level of expenditure following Bobby Bowden's retirement. So do not expect to suddenly have $2.5 million in available funds. However, I do not think it's unreasonable to expect to keep $1.5 million of these funds in the system. Of that $1.5 million, $600-$800K should probably be expected to go to Jimbo Fisher, putting him on par with most of the ACC at about $1.2-1.4 million. As a point of reference, first time Head Coach Dabo Swinney was given a $1 million dollar deal with several additional financial incentives based on team performance last offseason.
I personally believe Rick Trickett and James Coley deserve a raise of about $100K each. Trickett is one of the best OL coaches in the country, he has turned the Seminoles' offensive line around, and FSU cannot throw him out because of 2 sub-par performances this season. He is a top assistant and Florida State should pay him as such. James Coley is the hardest worker on this staff and will probably be the next offensive coordinator. I do not think it unreasonable for Florida State to pay this type of coach $300K.
Dawsey deserves a raise, probably about 50K. Carter will almost certainly not be retained, so expect another 150-200K needed for a RB coach.
Based on best guess estimates, it will take about $1.05 million in raises for the current offensive coaches to get them to a market value salary.
All in all, I would expect no more than $1.45 million dollars available for a defensive staff (currently spend $1 million, plus an additional $450K of Bobby Bowden's old salary).
Qualifications to be mentioned in this article:
- Has previously worked with Jimbo Fisher or Florida State University
- Has experience coaching defense
Special consideration to coaches who:
- Are under the age of 50
- Are African American (for recruiting and diversity)
- Are familiar with bigtime college football
- Have NFL experience
- Have previously worked with prominent defensive coaches in their careers
So who out there meets these qualifications and might be someone Jimbo Fisher could target for Florida State's new defensive staff?
Kirby Smart- Defensive Coordinator, Alabama
Age: 33 years old
Connected to: Jimbo Fisher- Smart was a DB coach for the 2004 LSU team. Florida State- He was also a graduate assistant at FSU in 2002 and 2003.
Coaching Experience: Valdosta State DB coach (2000), Valdosta State Defensive Coordinator (2001), Florida State Graduate Assistant (2002-2003), LSU DB coach (2004), UGA RB Coach (2005), Miami Dolphins Safeties coach (2006), Alabama DB coach (2007), Alabama Defensive Coordinator (2008-present)
Coached with: Mickey Andrews, Nick Saban, Kevin Steele
Current Salary: Reportedly earns between $360,000 and $400,000 over the next 3 seasons.
Can he coach? Absolutely. Smart is probably one of the best young defensive coordinators in the game. I can't honestly say how much of Alabama's defensive success is due to Smart and how much is due to Saban, but let's put it this way: Nick Saban would not hire someone to be his Defensive Coordinator if he was not a good coach.
Can he recruit? This season, Rivals lists Smart as the primary recruiter for 1 Five Star, 3 Four Star, and 2 Three Star recruits. Last year he signed 2 Four Star and 2 Three Star recruits, and was the primary Alabama recruiter for Greg Reid and Jacobbi McDaniel(keep in mind Reid almost went to Alabama). He is young and the reputation of Alabama's defense would attract top prospects. If FSU has any chance to get back the Corey Millers, Brandon Willis', Jeff Lucs of the world, Smart is probably the one who could do it.
Should FSU want him? Umm... yes. Florida State should want him very badly. Probably the most likely person on this list to "save" the 2010 recruiting class. In addition to recruiting talent, Smart has the experience necessary to put a defensive product on the field in the 2010 season that would not lose games for us (allowing what should be a phenomenal offense to carry us) and a defense in 2011 that could very well lead to BCS bowl aspirations.
Could FSU get him? Possibly. Florida State has some things going for it in this situation. Smart has been in Tallahassee before (maybe he loves the area). He is from Bainbridge, GA, which is only 30 minutes away from Tallahassee. His folks still live there. No matter what happens at Alabama, it will always be "Nick Saban's Defense." Smart needs to make his own name eventually. Kevin Steele learned that when things go well on defense in Alabama, it is because of Nick Saban. When things go poorly, the Defensive Coordinator gets fired or demoted. Saban is also reportedly a very difficult boss to work for, so maybe Kirby wants to free himself. Regardless, it would take at least $500K annually for him to consider moving to Tallahassee.
If Smart comes here, FSU should only expect to keep him for 1-3 years as he would definitely look to secure a head coaching position.
Greg Hudson- Defensive Coordinator, ECU
Age: 42 years old
Connected to: Jimbo Fisher - Coached together for the Cincinnati Bearcats in 1999.
Coaching Experience: Graduate assistant Notre Dame (1993), OL coach UConn (1994-1996), LB coach Cincinnati (1997-2000), LB coach Minnesota Gophers (2001-2002), Defensive Coordinator Minnesota Gophers (2003-2004), Defensive Coordinator and LB coach ECU (2005-present)
Coached with: Lou Holtz, Rick Minter, Glen Mason
Current Salary: ECU Head Coach Skip Holtz's reported salary this season is $1.16 million dollars. Hudson likely earns no more than $300,000 as ECU's top assistant and best friend to the Head Coach.
Can he coach? Hudson really burst onto the Florida State radar following ECU's consecutive upsets of nationally ranked teams to begin the 2008 season. ECU's defense held Virginia Tech's offense to under 250 total yards in the season opener. The following week, ECU was able to shut down a potent West Virginia offense, allowing just 3 points and holding Pat White under 100 yards passing while giving up only 251 total yards. In the Conference USA championship game, ECU held Tulsa (the nation's top offense in yards per game) 170 yards under their season average. Last season, Hudson demonstrated he could put together a decent gameplan against teams with more talented athletes in addition to containing complex passing offenses and the spread-option game.
This season, however, ECU has allowed 24.2 points per game, allowed over 500 yards total offense against West Virginia in a 35-20 loss, and allowed a struggling UNC offense to score 31 points. Let us not assume Hudson is a miracle worker that will succeed at everything.
Can he recruit? Hudson appears to have very few established recruiting connections in Florida and south Georgia. His name will not immediately resonate with players enough to "save" the 2010 recruiting class. Rivals does not list him as the primary recruiter for any of ECU's current prospects. He is, however, young and energetic and has the potential to attract players after a few successful seasons.
Should FSU want him? Hudson seems to be a very good coach and could be very successful at Florida State. However I believe there should be other candidates on the list who are contacted before Hudson becomes the top target.
Could FSU get him? Hudson and ECU Head Coach Skip Holtz have a close relationship dating back to Hudson's playing career at Notre Dame. It is believed that Holtz considers Notre Dame to be his dream job, and he would probably bring Hudson along as his Defensive Coordinator (although this scenario seems less likely now than it did in 2008 when the Pirates defeated consecutive ranked opponents). Hudson also has head coaching aspirations, so should Holtz move on, Hudson could potentially be a candidate to replace him at ECU. However, Florida State could definitely afford his salary, he is familiar with Jimbo Fisher, and Florida State (regardless of its issues) is a step up from East Carolina. Given our financial situation, I definitely believe FSU can afford his salary. It comes down to how loyal he is to Holtz, where he believes he can be a Head Coach sooner, and how hard Florida State pursues him.
Sal Sunseri- Inside Linebackers coach, Alabama
Age: 50 years old
Connected to: Jimbo Fisher- Sunseri coached at LSU in 2000.
Coaching Experience: DL and LB coach Pittsburgh Panthers(1985-1992), Head Coach Iowa Wesleyan (1993), Defensive Coordinator Illinois St. (1994), LB coach Louisville (1995-1997), Defensive Coordinator Alabama A&M (1998-1999), LB coach LSU (2000), LB coach Michigan State (2001), DL coach Carolina Panthers (2002-2008), ILB coach Alabama (2009-present)
Coached with: Nick Saban, John Fox
Current Salary: Between $325,000 and $350,000 over the next 3 seasons.
Can he coach? Let's put it this way, Nick Saban and John Fox don't hire coaches if they don't believe they can coach. Sunseri's defensive lines performed well with the Panthers, it is rumored that personality conflicts between him and Julius Peppers led to his eventual release (he wasn't really fired or released, but the handwriting was on the wall before he took the Alabama job).
Can he recruit? Another guy who could sell his pedigree, Sunseri is at worst a candidate who could develop a successful defense while being surroundec by top recruiters. Rivals currently lists him as the top recruiter for 2 Four Star and 1 Three Star commit.
Should FSU want him? Sunseri is a very good coach and Florida State would be lucky to have him. However, he and Jimbo only spent one season together at LSU, so I do not know that they have the closest relationship. I would target Kirby Smart before Sunseri if I were looking at Alabama's staff.
Could FSU get him? Sunseri is paid very well for a position coach. Florida State is not likely to be able to match his salary unless he is made the Defensive Coordinator. If Florida State were able to attract Kirby Smart, there is the potential that Sunseri could come as a position coach, but in that scenario it is probably more likely that Sunseri is promoted within the Alabama staff.
Karl Dunbar- Defensive Line coach, Minnesota Vikings
Age: 42 years old
Connected to: Jimbo Fisher- Dunbar was the S&C coach at LSU in 2000-2001 and he coached the defensive line at LSU in 2005.
Coaching Experience: DL coach Nicholls State (1998-1999), Strength and Conditioning coach LSU (2000-2001), DL coach Oklahoma State (2002-2003), DL coach Chicago Bears (2004), DL coach LSU (2005), DL coach Minnesota Vikings (2006-present)
Coached with: Nick Saban, Lovie Smith
Current Salary: Probably between $300,000 and $400,000.
Can he coach? "You don't get hired by Nick Saban and Lovie Smith if you can't coach." Granted, Saban only hired him as a S&C coach in 2000. However, the Vikings' defensive line has been one of the best in the NFL under Dunbar's leadership.
Can he recruit? Has all the qualities to potentially be a great recruiter. Has an NFL and SEC pedigree, is young, and is a successful coach. Kids love the NFL pedigree.
Should FSU want him? Dunbar would be a great hire should Jimbo choose not to retain Odell Haggins. Dunbar could be trusted with the entire defensive line, freeing up an additional coaching position.
Could FSU get him? Dunbar is extremely involved in the Minneapolis community. As an NFL assistant, he is also paid very well. FSU probably does not have the funds to bring him here as a position coach. I also do not think that Dunbar would take a step down.
Travis Jones- Defensive Line coach, New Orleans Saints(recruiting coordinator at LSU 2003-2004)
Age: mid 30s
Connected to: Jimbo Fisher- Travis coached at LSU in 2003-2004
Coaching Experience: Graduate Assistant Georgia (1997), LB coach/Recruiting Coordinator Appalachian State (1998-2000), DL coach Kansas (2001-2002), DL coach/Recruiting Coordinator LSU (2003-2004), Assistant DL coach Miami Dolphins (2005-2007), Assistant DL coach New Orleans Saints (2008-2009)
Coached with: Nick Saban
Current Salary: As an assistant position coach in the NFL, Jones probably earns between $150,000 and $300,000.
Can he coach? LSU's defensive line was the strength of their defense in 2003-2004. Was able to coach complex zone blitz schemes to players like Chad Lavalais and Marcus Spears that helped to win the 2003 BCS Championship. Has produced some of the best defenses in the NFL in terms of sacks since 2005.
Can he recruit? Was the recruiting coordinator for Rivals' top ranked 2003 class. Add in his NFL experience and Jones would make a great recruiter.
Should FSU want him? Jones would be an excellent addition to the staff as a DL coach should Odell be let go or as an OLB coach in a 3-4 system.
Could FSU get him? Florida State could probably afford him, but I do not know about other circumstances (is he happy in the NFL, does he like the New Orleans area, etc).
Reggie Herring- Linebackers coach, Dallas Cowboys
Age: 50 years old
Connected to: Florida State- Reggie played linebacker at FSU in the late 70s/early 80s.
Coaching Experience: Graduate Assistant Oklahoma State (1981), LB coach Oklahoma State (1982-1985), Linebacker coach Auburn (1986-1991), Defensive Coordinator TCU (1992-1993), Linebacker coach Clemson (1994-1996), Defensive Coordinator Clemson (1997-2001), Linebacker coach Houston Texans (2002-2003), Defensive Coordinator NC State (2004), Defensive Coordinator Arkansas (2005-2007), Linebacker coach Dallas Cowboys (2008-present)
Coached with: Dom Capers, Pat Dye, Wade Phillips (not a terrible Xs and Os guy... just not a head coach)
Current Salary: Herring would have made $300,000 had he stayed at Texas A&M in 2008, but left for the Dallas Cowboys. Jerry Jones has deep pockets. I'd speculate he earns somewhere between $300,000 and $500,000.
Can he coach? In a word, yes. Herring was the Defensive Coordinator of the top ranked NC State defense in 2004. In 2005 at Arkansas his defense averaged 24.6 ppg allowed (drops to 20.1 if you take out the 70 points allowed to USC). He coaches an extremely talented and successful group of linebackers with the Cowboys that includes sack machine DeMarcus Ware. However, while at Arkansas, Herring ran a man-free defensive scheme. I vividly remember UF exploiting this in the 2006 SEC Championship game.
Can he recruit? Herring has an impressive pedigree that he can sell to recruits. I do not know, however, if he is an effective salesman in recruits' homes. If nothing else, FSU could surround him with talented recruiters and allow him to develop successful schemes.
Should FSU want him? Herring would be a very valuable addition to the staff. He has proven he has the ability to gameplan and prepare to face top competition week in and week out. He has been successful at both the collegiate and professional level. Additionally, he is familiar previous potential candidate, Manny Diaz, from their time at NC State, so the two may not mind working together again.
Could FSU get him? Herring may want to return his alma mater to its former glory. Additionally, he may want to remove himself from the Jerry Jones circus. Florida State's biggest problem is that its circus doesn't pay nearly as well as Jerry's. I believe it would take a sizeable salary to attract Reggie.
Tim Walton- Secondary coach, Detroit Lions
Age: late 30s
Connected to: Jimbo Fisher- Walton coached at LSU in 2003.
Coaching Experience: Graduate Assistant Bowling Green (1995), RB coach Bowling Green (1996-1998), DB coach Bowling Green (1999), DB coach Memphis Tigers(2000-2001), DB coach Syracuse (2002), DB coach LSU (2003), DB coach Miami Hurricanes (2004-2007), Defensive Coordinator Miami Hurricanes (2007), Defensive Coordinator Memphis Tigers (2008), DB coach Detroit Lions (2009-present)
Coached with: Nick Saban, Randy Shannon
Current Salary: Based on league-wide salary trends, probably between $300,000 and $400,000.
Can he coach? Walton is an effective position coach, as evidence by his long career and his experience at high level programs and with high level coaches. He is probably not a good candidate for defensive coordinator, as his time at Miami was extremely...ummm... "rocky."
Can he recruit? Walton is a relatively young coach with NFL experience. These are exactly the type of qualities that attract recruits.
Should FSU want him? Honestly? Probably not. He is listed here for completeness, as he is coach who has worked with Fisher before. I also do not believe FSU should be in the practice of hiring our rivals' re-treads. It has worked before (Mickey Andrews), but lightening doesn't generally strike twice.
Could FSU get him? It would take more money to get him here than Florida State should probably be willing to pay him.
Rick Minter- Defensive Coordinator, Marshall
Age: 55 years old
Connected to: Jimbo Fisher- Minter hired Jimbo while the Head Coach of the Cincy Bearcats
Coaching Experience: DE coach Louisiana Tech (1979), OLB coach NC State (1980-1982), LB coach New Mexico State (1985-1991), Defensive Coordinator Notre Dame (1992-1993), Head Coach Cincinnati Bearcats (1994-2003), Defensive Coordinator South Carolina (2004), Defensive Coordinator Notre Dame (2005-2006), Defensive Coordinator Marshall (2008-present)
Coached with: Lou Holtz, Charlie Weiss (shows he has experience working at schools where offense is the focus)
Current Salary: Marshall's Head coach reportedly earns $500,000 a year. Minter probably does not make more than $250,000.
Can he coach? Minter was the only Defensive Coordinator who seemed to have an answer for Charlie Ward in 1993, so that says something (give an assist to the Notre Dame grounds-crew on that one as well). He was an effective Head Coach for several seasons in Cincinnati, leading them to 4 bowls in his 10 years. He produced a top 20 defense against the pass and the run in 2004 at South Carolina. However, some of his defenses at Notre Dame under Charlie Weiss were less than stellar and he was let go following the 2006 season.
Can he recruit? The name "Rick Minter" isn't likely to resonate with Florida and Georgia recruits. If Minter were to be hired, Florida State would have to surround Minter with gifted recruiters and hope he could create an extremely high caliber defense that in itself would attract players.
Should FSU want him? Minter could be on a list of Defensive Coordinator candidates, but he probably shouldn't be at the top of that list. He is a good coach, but in my opinion is not familiar enough with the area to effectively recruit. I also fear that he could potentially have problems taking orders from a man he once hired as an assistant.
Could FSU get him? If FSU really went after him, I believe the Noles could sway him away from Marshall.
NFL
Fisher coached in the league and there are major rumblings that he will look to the league for his next DC if he is unable to get Kirby Smart. I think the safe money is on Smart and if not Smart, then to the NFL for a young motivated NFL assistant looking to gain more exposure.
Potential Assistants
Manny Diaz- Defensive Coordinator, Middle Tennessee State
Age: mid 30s
Connected to: Florida State- Manny was a graduate assistant at FSU in 1998 and 1999.
Coaching Experience: Graduate Assistant Florida State (1998-1999), Graduate Assistant NC State (2000-2001), LB coach NC State (2002-2003), Safeties coach NC State (2004-2005), Defensive Coordinator Middle Tennessee State (2006-present)
Coached with: Mickey Andrews, Chuck Amato (that used to mean something), Reggie Herring
Current Salary: Middle Tennessee State Head Coach Rick Stockstill reportedly earns $300,000 annually. If I had to guess, Diaz probably earns no more than $150,000.
Can he coach? He helped NC State's defense be the top ranked unit in the country in 2004. They held Florida State and Ohio State each under 130 yards total offense that season. As special teams coach, his team blocked three kicks and returned 2 for touchdowns that season. Middle Tennessee State gave up only 361 yards to Clemson's offense in the season opener this year, and the defense was only responsible for 23 points allowed. His defenses at MTSU have average about 25 ppg allowed, but he has shown an ability to coach against teams with superior athletes (eg, Maryland in consecutive years, Clemson this season).
Can he recruit? Diaz is the son of current Miami Mayor Manny Diaz, Sr. He is under 40 and energetic. He has the potential to be another James Coley on the recruiting trail.
Should FSU want him? Definitely. His ability as a coach, potential as a major recruiter, and relative cost compared to other options make him an unbelievably attractive candidate. He could also serve a variety of roles here: LB coach, safeties coach, special teams coordinator, and/or recruiting coordinator when Coley moves to OC. Personally, I want him in our new defensive coaching staff, but perhaps not as defensive coordinator. Diaz as a position coach under a talented DC could return our defense to prominence very quickly.
Could FSU get him? FrankDNole says Manny would come for 2 bags of chips and bus fare. Florida State could definitely get him for less money than other options, Florida State would probably be extremely attractive for him given his previous experience in Tallahassee. He'd be moving closer to home. And FSU is definitely a step forward in his coaching career from MTSU. Diaz isn't a top target for DC, but he should definitely be looked at as a position coach. It will be up to him to decide if position coach at FSU with potential for advancement is more attractive than DC at MTSU.
Chris Demarest- Head Coach and Athletic Director, Hudson Catholic High School
Age: 44 years old
Connected to: Florida State- Chris was a graduate assistant at FSU in the late 90s.
Coaching Experience: Graduate Assistant Rutgers (1989), ECU (1990), Northeastern (1991-1992), East Stroudsberg (1993), Millersville (1994), Lehigh (1994-97) Graduate Assistant Florida State (1998-1999), DB coach NC State (2000-2003), DB coach Rutgers (2004-2007)
Coached with: Mickey Andrews, Greg Schiano
Current Salary: Can't possibly be making over $100,000
Can he coach? Demarest was a part of the successful NC State defenses earlier in this decade. Additionally, when Rutgers was still on the rise, he was tapped as Greg Schiano's right hand man. He has the potential to be a very good defensive assistant.
Can he recruit? Another potential James Coley on the recruiting trail, he was one of Rutgers' best recruiters in his tenure there. "Demo" recruited the fertile South Florida area for Rutgers. Had some off the field issues that will be used against him on the recruiting trail at a major university. (He was charged with violence during an argument with his girlfriend. All charges were dropped but the allegations proved too strong for him to keep his job at Rutgers. This is all we should say about this situation in fairness to Demarest.)
Should FSU want him? There are probably other less risky options out there, but Demarest would be a very good hire. I wouldn't put him at the top of my wish-list as a defensive coordinator, but he would be on it somewhere. He would be an excellent position coach.
Could FSU get him? I have to believe most definitely. He is looking for a school to give him a chance.
Terrell Buckley- Graduate Assistant for Defensive Backs, Florida State
Age: 38 years old
Connected to: Umm... duh. Florida State- TBuck was a superstar defensive back at FSU in the early 90s and has been an S&C coach and Graduate Assistant since 2006. Jimbo Fisher- TBuck has worked with Jimbo since joining the staff in 2007.
Coaching Experience: Assistant Strength and Conditioning coach Florida State (2007), Graduate Assistant Florida State (2008-present)
Coached with: Mickey Andrews
Current Salary: TBuck is probably still counting his NFL millions. He is technically not currently a paid coach.
Can he coach? This somewhat remains to be seen. He has been a graduate assistant and a strength and conditioning coach here, but not a full time assistant. He should not be considered for anything more than a CB coach (and maybe a Safeties coach as well).
Can he recruit? Has the potential to be a great recruiter. Several 2010 prospects mention that he has been suggested as the replacement for Mickey Andrews as DB coach. TBuck could play an important role in the recruitment of 5 Star Lamarcus Joyner.
Should FSU want him? Buckley would be a great addition to the defensive staff as a CB coach. And if he helps to bring in Lamarcus Joyner then it is worth it.
Could FSU get him? Yes. If Jimbo Fisher wants TBuck on this staff, TBuck will be on this staff.
Possible Offensive Assistants
Roy Anderson- Defensive Assistant, Baltimore Ravens
Age: 30 years old
Connected to: Florida State- Anderson was born in Tallahassee, attended Godby High, and was a Graduate Assistant at Florida State in 2003. Jimbo Fisher- Anderson was also a graduate assistant at LSU in 2004.
Coaching Experience: Graduate Assistant FAMU (2002), Graduate Assistant Florida State (2003), Graduate Assistant LSU (2004), Scouting and Personnel Assistant Baltimore Ravens (2005-2008), Defensive Quality Control assistant for DL Baltimore Ravens (2008), Assistant DL coach Baltimore Ravens (2009)
Coached with: Jimbo Fisher, Brian Billick, Rex Ryan
Current Salary: As a first year assistant position coach, Anderson probably earns upwards of $150,000.
Can he coach? Has proven to be a very talented assistant in his short time. His quality control work has helped the Baltimore defensive line maintain their status as one of the best in the NFL.
Can he recruit? Has all the elements to potentially be a great recruiter. I additionally like the fact that he is a Godby graduate. He can recruit the Tallahassee area very well. In addition, he can provide leadership by example for recruits who may not come from the best academic background.
Should FSU want him? Anderson has become my personal flavor of the month coach. In my opinion, he would make a great candidate for Florida State's +1 coach they get when Bobby Bowden leaves. His potential as a recruiter and an assistant is off the charts (think Lawrence Dawsey minus the playing career plus NFL coaching experience with a great organization).
Could FSU get him? Tallahassee is his home town. Florida State could offer more than he makes as an assistant position coach. FSU could probably get him.
Dameyune Craig- WR Coach, University of South Alabama
Age: 35 years old
Connected to: Jimbo Fisher- Craig played for Fisher at Auburn and was a graduate assistant at LSU in 2004.
Coaching Experience: Assistant Coach, Blount High School (2003), Graduate Assistant LSU(2004), Special Teams Assistant Miami Dolphins (2005), QB Coach Tuskegee University (2006-2007), WR coach University of South Alabama (2008-current)
Coached with: Jimbo Fisher, Terry Bowden, Nick Saban
Current Salary: Probably less than $100,000.
Can he coach? "Nick Saban doesn't hire guys who can't coach."
Can he recruit? Craig has the playing and coaching pedigree that can sell a lot of recruits.
Should FSU want him? Absolutely. Craig is definitely a Fisher guy, he is a young coach who can relate to recruits, and has demonstrated enough coaching ability.
Could FSU get him? Yes. Craig has followed Fisher at least two times in his career, I doubt he'd mind doing it again. FSU is definitely a step up from USA and he will earn much more here.
Many expect Craig on this staff.
Leroy Ryals- Head Coach, Clarke Central High School Athens, GA
Age: 39 years old
Connected to: Jimbo Fisher- Ryals was the tight ends coach and assistant special teams coordinator at LSU in 2004.
Coaching Experience: Assistant Coach Booker (Sarasota) High School (1990-1993), Head Coach Booker (Sarasota) High School (1994-2000), Running Backs Coach University of South Florida (2001-2003), Tight Ends coach LSU(2004), Head Coach Clarke Central (Athens, GA) (2005-current)
Coached with: Jimbo Fisher, Nick Saban, Lawrence Dawsey, James Coley
Current Salary: Probably less than $100,000.
Can he coach? Ryals has been regarded as a very good high school coach. He was named the Sarasota Herald-Tribune Coach of the Year in 1999. He also served as a coach in the Florida-Georgia High School All-Star game in 1997 and 2000. The main reason he only served one year at LSU is because Les Miles brought in his own staff from Oklahoma State.
Can he recruit? Had a solid reputation as a recruiter while coaching in college and he has established ties to South Florida and Georgia.
Should FSU want him? Depends on how many offensive assistants FSU is looking for in the offseason. Ryals would make an excellent addition to the staff.
Could FSU get him? Florida State could definitely afford to pay his salary. The sticking point could be whether or not Ryals prefers the high school game to college.
MattDNole's Dream Scenario
We know that Mickey is retiring. We know that Chuck and Jody are gone the moment after. Dexter Carter may or may not be in FSU's future plans. Odell's future is probably still up in the air. If (and we stress if) they were all let go, what kind of staff could Florida State get with $1.4 million dollars?
CB coach: Chris Demarest- $170,000 annually
Some point to Terrell Buckley as the only chance to save Florida State's chances with Lamarcus Joyner. I think Demarest is a distinct possibility here and might be a better hire for the future, regardless of Joyner's decision (hopefully he would like the Demarest choice though as we need LJ very much). Plus, Joyner reportedly is tight with Coley already.
Defensive Coordinator/Safeties coach: Kirby Smart- $500,000 annually
It would take a check this big to get Smart to come to Florida State, in my opinion. Smart has experience coaching safeties already, so he could coach them here allowing TBuck to focus on the position he knows. Smart could also coach linebackers if Manny Diaz is hired to coach safeties. Jimbo would have to sell Smart on the opportunity to prove himself away from Nick Saban's shadow.
LB coach/Special Teams Coordinator: Manny Diaz- $160,000 annually
This is probably more than Diaz earns at MTSU and represents market value for a coach with his potential. Diaz should be targeted regardless of his limited personal connections with Jimbo Fisher or the other members of this staff. If Diaz is brought in as a position coach under Kirby Smart, he could be groomed to take over the DC position if Smart were to leave for a head coaching job in the coming years.
DL coach/Recruiting Coordinator: Travis Jones - $200,000 annually
I assume that Coley will give up RC duties when he becomes the Offensive Coordinator. Best combination of coaching and recruiting on the defensive line. Jones and Smart worked together at LSU and with the Miami Dolphins, so they would be familiar with each other. Jones is my dream candidate if Florida State is actually looking for a new DL coach, but I personally think Odell should be kept on for at least one season to see if he can work with the new staff. Consider it a probationary period to see if he can be effective in a different system. Keeping Odell would also help keep many of Florida State's current commitments. Side note: FSU might have enough cash to throw at John Blake, but I doubt he would leave Butch Davis at UNC.
RB Coach: Dameyune Craig - $130,000 annually
Tons of potential as a position coach, Florida State could get him cheap, and he would fit comfortably with Jimbo Fisher. Also, don't forget: recruiting, recruiting, recruiting. One of the first priorities for a RB coach is his ability to recruit. I believe FSUncensored has mentioned that Fisher and Trickett teach FSU's backs the system.
+1 coach: Roy Anderson- $150,000 annually
I am not sure that Jimbo will give up coaching QBs when he becomes Head Coach. As a result, Florida State will gain an extra position coach of its choice. Anderson could help coach receivers, quarterbacks, or tight ends. He additionally has experience as a quality control and self scouting coach on defense. Demarest could also be brought in as the +1 coach if TBuck is retained, be named Recruiting Coordinator and/or Special Teams coach.
The total cost for the new coaches would be $1.31 million dollars. As a result, this "dream staff" would cost about $1.2 million dollars LESS than the current staff with Bobby Bowden's $2.5 million salary. I would also argue that the results on the field would be much improved.
Also keep in mind that Florida State could potentially have a lot more money available than what I assumed they will have. There are rumors of boosters waiting to make huge contributions once they are confident the necessary chances are complete.
So how quickly could this happen? Here is a timetable for when these coaches would probably be available:
Buckley- TBuck could be hired tomorrow if FSU had an open position.
Smart- Alabama is almost a lock to be in a January bowl, and potentially a BCS bowl. Communications could be made throughout December, but it would really be Nick Saban's decision as to whether or not Smart would coach Alabama through the bowl game (see: Richt, Mark and Pelini, Bo). Best case scenario if Smart is FSU's man is that the deal gets done in late December and he hits the ground in early to mid January.
Diaz- Middle Tennessee State is currently 3-2 and is fourth in their conference. However, the Sun Belt is typically a "one bid league" to use basketball terminology. If the Raiders do make a bowl game, it is likely to be the New Orleans Bowl held on December 20.
Jones- The Saints are crushing right now. Jones may not be available until February.
Craig- USA still plays provisional football as they try to develop their program. Their season ends on November 12.
Anderson- Anderson probably wouldn't be available until January or February.
Demarest- Hudson Catholic's season ends on November 26th.
I know someone will bring up the name Derrick Brooks. SWFLNole has been adamant that Brooks is on to bigger and better things. So, most likely not.
Based on this timetable, I would not expect Florida State to get back recruits like Corey Miller, or Brandon Willis. I believe that ship has officially sailed. However, they would still have a great shot with Lamarcus Joyner, Christian Green, Jeff Luc, and Christian Jones and very outside chances at Corey Lemonier, et al.
Keep in mind this is just a suggestion, and this list is merely meant to give you an idea of who is out there. There are also countless other potential coaches that Florida State could hire that do not have a previous connection to Jimbo Fisher or Florida State University. Florida State has the potential to put together a great staff once it starts cutting loose some of the dead weight.
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Hope springs eternal
I know this is all conjecture and time will tell, but if any of this would come true, this off season could be very exciting. Unless there is a miraculous turnaround this season is a bust. Knowing of upcoming changes will take some of the sting off of this season.
by Noles93 on Oct 15, 2009 8:19 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
the post i have been waiting for since i joined TN is finally here!!! thanks MattDNole
by mauricel on Oct 15, 2009 8:25 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah baby!!!
I feel like a coke addict who’se just landed in Bogota! Great work sir!
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by GonzoNole on Oct 15, 2009 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks a ton
I mean a ton. Thank you, like Oprah’s ass ton.
This article gave me hope like Pandora’s Box. And no, Hope was not in Pandora’s Box.
I hope the Boosters pony up some dough for the D staff. We could be set. The list of candidates is very intriguing.
Scalp or be scalped!! The pain train is comin. We are gonna make other teams feel it.
Finally. Thank you Lord.
by LincolnHighNole on Oct 16, 2009 1:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Say or Think what you want, but....
Fisher’s DC will be Chuck “I am the MAN” Amato.
Chuck says that they are best friends, despite any rumors to the contrary.
Plus his audition went so well against GT (if true) that it would be almost impossible for Jimbo to let him go.
by PBD on Oct 15, 2009 8:37 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Second that
What we saw during the GT game was Amato unveiling his “Consigliere Defense” (i.e. updated Prowler package), code named “Three Stooges Defense” because of it’s signature move requiring defenders to run in circles going “Woo woo woo woo!”. I think he graded almost everyone at 95+ for last Saturday’s effort.
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by GonzoNole on Oct 16, 2009 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This feels
like Christmas Eve! And, I agree with your “dream” scenario almost 100%.
by wnc_nole on Oct 15, 2009 8:41 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Anderson is a name that might throw some people in my "dream" scenario...
I honestly started this research two weeks ago by checking every NFL assistant’s resume and looking for Auburn, Cincy, LSU, and FSU.
On paper, Anderson has the potential to be a very good assistant coach, but games aren’t played on paper, they are played by tiny people living inside my TV.
by MattDNole on Oct 15, 2009 8:49 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Alabama Perspective
Kirby Smart has been with Nick Saban since his days at LSU, and was one of the few to follow him all the way through Miami to Alabama. He was a really good secondary coach, and has developed into a very good defensive coordinator. Obviously, Saban is heavily involved in deciding the game plan during the week, but Kirby is the one who calls the defense during the game. He has done a tremendous job in his first full season as defensive coordinator (he was a sort of co-coordinator last year with Kevin Steele). He calls a really good game, and rarely is the defense out of position.
It has been previously mentioned, but Kirby is an excellent recruiter as well. His main area that he recruits at Alabama is Georgia, which obviously is a huge area for Florida State.
Sal Sunseri was also mentioned as a possible position coach. He was brought into Alabama to help with the pass rush which was a real weakness last year, and has done a very good job. It is always difficult to evaluate position coaches, but players have really enjoyed working for him. He is the sort of stereotypical in your face coach that almost every player or media member has a funny anctedote about Sunseri getting on to a player during practice. Coach Saban has also recognized him several times during the offseason for his really good work. He has also been a very good recruiter at Alabama this year working on the east coast for recruiting. He has been in on some big names like Phil Simms and Keenan Allen.
Writing specifically about whether Kirby Smart would go to Florida State or not, it is difficult to say. Obviously, the big advantage that would be going to Florida State is the ability of Coach Smart to run his “own defense”. If Florida State was to get rid of all of its defensive staff, and Coach Fisher (assuming obviously that he is the head coach) would allow Kirby to have a say into who is going to be on that staff that would be an advantage. Obviously, the standard qualifiers that Florida State is a great football school that can recruit exceptional talent probably does not need to be written, but there it is anyways.
I will say from a negative perspective, Florida State specifically on defense would seem to be a multiple year turnaround process. Also, there is at least the perception that the program is a sort of “sinking Titanic” feel to the program. I think there is a lot of perception that Fisher is at least somewhat to blame for this whole issue, which is probably not true. Everyone though knows there is the thought that since he is the coach in waiting that he deserves some of the responsibility for what is happening, fair or not. Again, I think objectively speaking you do have to wonder how this situation has impacted Fisher’s ability to help turnaround the Florida State program?
Also, the last thought I would have is that Kirby Smart’s ultimate goal is to be a head coach. Usually when your a coordinator on Nick Saban’s staff you would not go to another school to be a coordinator. I think it is very likely that Kirby Smart could stay at Alabama and reach his goal of being a head coach within the next few years. Again, those are just my thoughts and who knows whether Coach Smart would go be a coordinator at Florida State, Georgia, or anywhere else.
by Kenny483 on Oct 15, 2009 9:02 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Awesome, and thanks for bringing us the other side.
Kirby Smart will definitely be a head coach within 3 years no matter where he is. If he stays at Alabama and never “proves” himself away from Saban, then there’s a chance he would be offered a certain level of job. If he “saves the Titanic” as you put it, he may get a higher level job offer. We don’t really know, but if Florida State can throw enough money at Smart, it is something he’d definitely have to consider.
I don’t think the talent on Florida State’s defense is as bad as you’d think from your perspective. It is obviously not at the level of Alabama, but Smart would take over a defense with at least 6 eventual first day draft picks as starters (Reid, McDaniel, Deas, McAllister, Bradham, and McCray), 3-4 more starters with enough raw potential to turn into quality prospects (Parks, Harley, Carr), not to mention the potential for high 4 and 5 star recruits her could bring in during this cycle (Jones, Joyner, maybe Luc, etc).
Good coaching, the type you can expect from Kirby Smart, will turn this into a respectable defense in 2010 (with the offense we should have next season, “respectable” should win us 10 games) and an elite defense in 2011…. just in time for Smart to get a BCS head coaching job.
by MattDNole on Oct 15, 2009 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Matt makes an excellent point however
in talking about Manny Diaz essentially being trained on the job to possibly take over DC when Smart leaves for a HC position.
Diaz would be very lucky to work under Smart, gain some mentorship from him, and incorporate Smart’s teachings into his own innovative schemes.
That scenario could be amazing.
Co-conductor of the "Kirby Smart for DC 2010" Train!!!!
by NoleThruandThru on Oct 15, 2009 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That would be the perfect scenario if Diaz OR Demarest were hired.
by MattDNole on Oct 15, 2009 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you hadn't noticed...
Smart, Diaz, and Demarest together are the Taylor Swift of my coaching dream scenario.
by MattDNole on Oct 15, 2009 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
sacrilege
Taylor will stop returning your calls if you continue to reference her as being comparable to any football related situation.
What? She doesn’t return your calls now? Oh, then nevermind, carry-on.
by PBD on Oct 15, 2009 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like that trio as well...
And it looks like it could happen, Diaz would definitely be DC in waiting most likely if Smart eventually bolts, which should look attractive to him, and I’m sure Demarest would love to get back to a D1 school and redeem himself, and those 3 look like they could all be afforded since Diaz and Demarest don’t earn a whole heck of a lot at the moment,
And looks like those 2 could be on staff by the end of the year, even if we back into a bowl we’ll be done by the end of the year so that all works out well IMO.
Do you think Demarest’s “record” would really be a liability or do you think that’s blown over enough to be an acceptable hire for recruiting purposes, especially a recruiting coordinator?
Also, if BB does return for one last year, which it’s looking more likely at the moment, do you think DCarter gets canned or do you think JF holds onto him for one more year to at least appease BB for that last year?
I don’t care either way, I’m just glad it looks like some pieces will start falling into place, especially on the D side, can I get an amen!
by karmanole on Oct 15, 2009 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also, if BB does return for one last year, which it’s looking more likely at the moment, do you think DCarter gets canned or do you think JF holds onto him for one more year to at least appease BB for that last year?
I don’t think it looks more likely. I think he’s trying to maintain some shred of dignity.
by FSUncensored on Oct 15, 2009 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
For some reason I think he gets to stay on...
For the last year; that BS about not wanting a farewell tour is well BS, I think he quietly/privately gives Jimbo the reigns behind the scenes knowing that a well hired D staff could send him out with a decent year, possibly an ACC championship run and BCS bowl.
We’ve got 7 home games, nice farewell tour, and ending with UF, he could beat UF to end his career, plus he’d still get his last $2.5mil pay check plus the $1mil when he walks, he’d also go out with no controversy and in some odd way I’m wondering if it might be a little positive recruiting tool that recruits will get to play for Bowden’s last year ever.
Of course I’d only be OK with this if #1 BB publicly states that 2010 will be his last year and #2 JF gets the reigns, privately or publicly, I don’t care as long as recruits know who’s really in charge and that they know BB will definitely be gone after 2010.
by karmanole on Oct 15, 2009 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am torn on what Bowden is trying to do
His lobbying is either for that final year and farewell tour or for a big payout to leave the program in peace. I think Bowden secretly knows the writing is on the wall, head coach or not, he will have no power whatsoever over this team. I think he will have to weigh his dignity, respect and pride in regards to returning as a powerless coach over this program. However, if Bowden is slowly boiling the issue so that in his negotiations he will get a handsome buyout (of sorts), much more than the contracted $1 million, he would probably get his way as it would save face for everyone involved while paying (no pun intended) homage monetarily to his legacy.
Something tells me that part two is a more likely scenario, I just feel Bowden must know and is going to try and benefit from the situation as best as he can.
by diablonole on Oct 15, 2009 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, just don't see it.
He’s posturing to make it look like it was his call to leave.
by FSUncensored on Oct 15, 2009 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he wants it to look like its his call
But I also think its all a bluff for more money in the end. His pride may be very important to him but I think the money is more important. If he does indeed have people guiding him, they have to let him know that he does not have a chance to return with any real power…..so what’s left. He is steadily falling behind Paterno so that race is effectively over with the way Penn State schedules.
However, if he is still delusional enough to believe he controls his own fate in coaching…..then well that is just sad.
by diablonole on Oct 15, 2009 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why
would he want the money? A man whos been coaching for 44 years doesn’t coach for money. If they virtually take away all his power, then what is the big deal if he stays 1 more year? You guys are so rediculous
by Nole93 on Oct 15, 2009 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because he has lost a lot in bad real estate deals?
Because we would still be one coach down? Because we’d still be 2.5M down?
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by SWFLNole. on Oct 15, 2009 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have heard the same about financial troubles and not just on here
I have heard rumors that the financial house of Bowden is not nearly as good as many believe it is.
I’m not even going to touch the argument of him staying suffice to say I believe there are almost too many reasons to list why he should not come back and really almost none as to why he should stay.
by diablonole on Oct 16, 2009 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because he has to support his deadbeat kids?
Because he has lost a ton being scammed by his Madoff son or because he owns a bunch of unfinished condos on the emerald coast?
You are asking the wrong question. It’s what is the benefit of letting his worthless self stay for another year.
by FSUncensored on Oct 16, 2009 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whats the big deal if he stays one more year?
Now thats rediculous.
"I'm falling apart, I'm barely breathing, With a broken heart thats still beating, In the pain is the healing, in Your Name I find meaning, So I'm holdin' on.. holdin' on to you."
by FSUvaFan on Oct 17, 2009 7:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am not in favor of Demarest for Recruiting Coordinator
Manny Diaz or Travis Jones (if he is here) would be a MUCH better fit IMO and take away any potential ammo.
Co-conductor of the "Kirby Smart for DC 2010" Train!!!!
by NoleThruandThru on Oct 15, 2009 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
smart, diaz, demarest is my....
Danny Tanner, Joey Gladstone, Jessie Katsopolis. AKA: Perfection.
by The K-Man on Oct 15, 2009 11:31 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
+1
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by RaysnNoles on Oct 15, 2009 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought his name was Jessie Cochran...
Oh, you mean his named changed in season 3 for no reason and no one ever addressed it? Cool.
by MattDNole on Oct 15, 2009 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is some serious 'Full House' knowledge
I am not sure whether to be impressed or dissappointed
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by RaysnNoles on Oct 15, 2009 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Excellent point
Should go without saying, but Jimbo should be thinking he highers both a DC and a “DCIW,” that is, to be groomed to take over the DC job. But he’s thinking that, he is not dumb.
by ricobert1 on Oct 15, 2009 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks Kenny!
I think the perceptions you list are definitely out there, but any candidate is going to get his info from Fisher, not ESPN. The talent on defense is about the same as the talent on offense, yet FSU is one of the top offenses in the country and the defense is in the bottom 20.
Have any defensive coordinators under Saban gone on to be head coaches without a middle stop?
I really appreciate your thoughts on Sunseri. I actually attend Alabama (law school) and people have funny things to say on Sunseri.
by FSUncensored on Oct 15, 2009 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Defensive Coordinators
Nick Saban has had essentially three former defensive coordinators that come to mind, since he was coaching at Michigan State. His first DC was Bill Miller when he was at Michigan State, if memory serves me correctly Saban did not offer him a job when he moved on to LSU. I had to look it up, but he is now at Arizona State as a defensive coordinator.
Saban’s second coordinator, and most succesful to date, was Will Muschamp. He coached with Saban the entire time that he was at LSU and followed him to Miami (5 years total). At the start of the second season in Miami his role was reduced in the defense to make room for Dom Capers, I believe. At that point he went on to Auburn for two years, and now he is at Texas. Muschamp is obviously the coach in waiting.
Kevin Steele was of course the defensive coordinator for Saban for all of the 2007 season. Last year he was co-coordinator with Kirby Smart. Essentially, the move was made to make Kirby Smart the co-coordinator because Steele had made it know to Saban that he wanted to take a job as a head coach or defensive coordinator somewhere else if something that he liked came available. In 2008 Kevin Steele’s main responsibility was for coming up with a game plan to defend the run, and did so very effectively. As I am sure most everyone here knows Steele was a very good coordinator, and maybe even a better recruiter.
That is the short history of Saban’s defensive coordinators. The thing that probably sticks out most is that there really has not been that many. I think everyone has the image of Saban working his staff to death (that part is probably true to a large extent), and coaches constantly quitting. I think Smart and Muschamp (obviously Texas) have the best chance to be head coaches. Also, I would not be surprised if Steele eventually gets another shot at it as well.
by Kenny483 on Oct 15, 2009 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks
I knew of Muschamp but didn’t think of Miller.
I wonder if an OC under Saban would have a better shot to make a jump straight from coordinator to HC because Saban picks good offensive guys as a result of being a good defensive guy. Maybe the thinking is that Saban doesn’t screw with the offense much so the offense is very much a result of just the OC’s input.
Steele was a HC at Baylor. He’s also coached at FSU before. I think Baylor was a tough situation.
I do know that Smart loves Tallahassee/ NW Fla/ So Ga. When Kirby was here as a GA the players LOVED him. He was so far ahead of the curve that Mickey let him handle the CB’s by himself (rare). He was conflicted when leaving here because he knew Saban was an asshole but also realized he could learn so much from that guy and be paid handsomely eventually.
by FSUncensored on Oct 15, 2009 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Miller is a good coach
and currently has one of the top 5 defenses in the nation at ASU. He also used to work at Miami and for the Gators. Some former players he groomed include Ray Lewis, Dan Morgan, and Jason Gildon. Maybe Miller is someone else we look at. He has the ties to Saban and also has recruited throughout Florida. He is not however a young coach.
by 1newplayer on Oct 15, 2009 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thought Miller did some nice things @ UGA
Had a well timed corner blitz. I think AZST is an underrated program.
by FSUncensored on Oct 15, 2009 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
honestly haven’t even thought of MIller until Kenny brought him up. My East coast bias gets the best of me, but he is a great coach with ties to the Florida area and Saban.
by 1newplayer on Oct 15, 2009 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
His big negative
is his age, however he has coached big games, had some great players and has coached in the SEC, Big 10, Big 12, Big East and the Pac 10. He’s got some serious experience.
by 1newplayer on Oct 15, 2009 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't mean for him to come here
just saying he is a good DC
by FSUncensored on Oct 15, 2009 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
D talent v. O talent
FSUn, you really think that talent on defense is equal to the talent on offense?
by Brandon B on Oct 15, 2009 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's pretty close but younger and hasn't had good coaching the last 2-3 years.
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by SWFLNole. on Oct 15, 2009 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
When they came in, yes
Now, it hasn’t developed as quickly as I’d like, but…
Watson, PRob, Jenijie, Bradham, McDaniel are all NFL guys with any measure of coaching.
by FSUncensored on Oct 15, 2009 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn’t mean for that to come across as antagonistic just wanted your opinion. So what you’re saying is that the D coaches and O coaches are playing with close to the same hands (if you want to make a playing cards analogy)? Assuming that true, that’s even more reason to resent the D coaches for blaming the repeated mistakes on the players.
by Brandon B on Oct 15, 2009 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well they have somewhat similar hands, or
maybe they had a similar chipstack when the game started. One is now up and the other down, but even the chip analogy fails because there’s no reason they shouldn’t both be up.
by FSUncensored on Oct 15, 2009 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fisher
Is responsible for developing Christian Ponder into arguably the best quarterback in the nation, a quarterback that Bowden told him was a scholarship filler. Left to his own devices BB would probably have stayed with Weatherford. FSU has produced the 24th ranked total offense and the 17th ranked passing offense. That was done after losing his his starter Ponder in the Clemson game.
That is what Fisher can be blamed for as that is his only responsibility right now and that was done trying to sell recruits on a program that Boibby Bowden and Jethro had run into the ground.
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by DocHoliday2 on Nov 30, 2009 12:02 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Excellent work Matt
Co-conductor of the "Kirby Smart for DC 2010" Train!!!!
by NoleThruandThru on Oct 15, 2009 9:05 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
MattD, where do I send the $9.95? :)
Before I get through reading, just wanted to thank you. We’ve been waiting on this article for some time now, much appreciated!
by CSI Nole on Oct 15, 2009 9:10 AM EDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
NICE PIECE MATT
But what about looking at TCU’S dc
by alexnole on Oct 15, 2009 9:19 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He does not fit into the premise of the article.
“Florida State and/or Jimbo Fisher connections.”
I mentioned in the article that there are several other candidates out there that do not fit this criterion, Bumps is one of them.
by MattDNole on Oct 15, 2009 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
NaGaNole brings up the same concern in some responses that were lost over the internets.
I just had to draw the line somewhere. Bumpas is a quality candidate and a lot of people talk about him. He just doesn’t fit the premise of what I was going for here.
I invite all of our readers to look into the situation and give us your best candidates. TomahawkNation is what it is because of YOU, the readers. So check up on your favorite defensive coach. Give us a Fanshot why you think he’d be a great candidate. The only difference between you and me is that I can put my thoughts on the front page.
by MattDNole on Oct 15, 2009 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe a few other differences
preudeness, shooting firearms with Jesus, inability to not make jokes, etc.
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by SWFLNole. on Oct 15, 2009 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
See, if you had comment power, you could delete that and take another shot at the word "prudeness."
But yes, shooting guns with Jesus was a highlight of my summer.
by MattDNole on Oct 15, 2009 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And we both fail, cuz I'm pretty sure "prudeness" isn't a word either.
But I have comment powers so I can delete it and act like my typos and misspellings never happened.
by MattDNole on Oct 15, 2009 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But I can be cool and nonchalant like it doesn't matter
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by SWFLNole. on Oct 15, 2009 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I heard AK47's at a occupied apartment building. I also heard Jesus pwned you.
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by FrankDNole on Oct 15, 2009 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great work MattD!
I’ve only read the first 4 profiles… Better get to doing some work now but will get to finishing it later today.
This article is yet another reason why TN > all other FSU sites. Thanks!
by MKE Nole on Oct 15, 2009 9:21 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Correction
TN >>> all other FSU sites.
But NoleDigest has some good things too, as evidenced by FSUn’s link to the articles breaking down the D yesterday.
by PBD on Oct 15, 2009 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Spotty methadology at best
Just Kidding MattD, great work on the most anticipated article in the history on the internets.
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by SWFLNole. on Oct 15, 2009 9:29 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm shocked.
I didn’t know different opinions were so unwelcomed. Removing my comments? WOW. I sure hope this doesn’t become the new WC. Didn’t mean to step on any toes…
I have six locks on my door all in a row. When I go out, I only lock every other one. I figure no matter how long somebody stands there picking the locks, they are always locking three.
Elayne Boosler
by NaGaNole on Oct 15, 2009 9:45 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't know who did it.
But I feel like deleting this one.
by MattDNole on Oct 15, 2009 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And I DO think you meant to step on toes.
by MattDNole on Oct 15, 2009 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL....
I didn’t mean to get out of line. This sheep will go back to the heard and gladly follow blindly. If I ever have anything to add, I’ll just keep it to myself….
I have six locks on my door all in a row. When I go out, I only lock every other one. I figure no matter how long somebody stands there picking the locks, they are always locking three.
Elayne Boosler
by NaGaNole on Oct 15, 2009 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And next time Uncensored posts a film breakdown of our defense...
I really want your first comment to be “You didn’t talk about our offense.”
Cuz that’s just awesome.
by MattDNole on Oct 15, 2009 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gotcha. This is a complete misunderstanding. I didn't notice the whole article title...
I can see clearly now it says “Who Might Jimbo Fisher Select as Florida State’s New Defensive Coordinator that fits into MattDNole’s qualifications ?” My bad, this really is all my fault.
I have six locks on my door all in a row. When I go out, I only lock every other one. I figure no matter how long somebody stands there picking the locks, they are always locking three.
Elayne Boosler
by NaGaNole on Oct 15, 2009 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes it is your fault.
You should really try to do better next time.
by MattDNole on Oct 15, 2009 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know we are comprehensive here usually
but did you want him to put EVERY candidate under the sun. He did a good job of researching the most likely candidates, as everyone knows that coaching ties are a huge part of the process. If you like Bumpas, let us know why in a well articulated fanpost and we will read it. We are not about blindly following, thats what fanposts and fanshots are for. Let us know if you think we’re overlooking someone. I personally don’t think he is, because I question if Bumpas is a serious candidate at this juncture, but if I’m wrong let me know, don’t just take shots at something he worked hard to put together.
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by SWFLNole. on Oct 15, 2009 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wasn't trying to take shots at his work. I think it's quite good.
I just added in a previous (and now missing) comment that I thought he should include Bumpas. His response was that it didn’t fit his criteria, and that I understand. However, when you title your article "Who Might Jimbo Fisher Select as Florida State’s New Defensive Coordinator? " I don’t see how you can ignore an qualified name that has been as talked about in some circles as much as Hudson or Smart. Then he decided to take shots at me by asking me why I didn’t mention Belichek, Dungy, or Cowher. I love this site and I like MattDNole’s work. I was most taken aback that my comments were removed or “lost over the internets.” I didn’t expect that here…
I have six locks on my door all in a row. When I go out, I only lock every other one. I figure no matter how long somebody stands there picking the locks, they are always locking three.
Elayne Boosler
by NaGaNole on Oct 15, 2009 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am honestly unsure who did that.
by MattDNole on Oct 15, 2009 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
BRIGGS!!!
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by NoleThruandThru on Oct 15, 2009 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
THIS WHOLE ARTICLE IS PREMIUM INFORMATION. DO NOT REPOST OR BE BANNED
Reading my posts is a privilege and I will ban anyone who disagrees with me from the Internet for life.
by DOT COM on Oct 15, 2009 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Those cricles are wishlists if it is the circles I am thinking about
He hasn’t been seriously mentioned by anyone I know and turst, fwiw.
by FSUncensored on Oct 15, 2009 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have not heard any legitimate interest in Bump either
except here and Warchant from a few fans. I don’t think he’s under consideration.
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by NoleThruandThru on Oct 15, 2009 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Christmas morning is here!
I like my presents if we get the dream scenario. I think Kirby would like the talent he finds here and the talent he’s able to recruit.
>>---l>
by DKfromVA on Oct 15, 2009 9:50 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirby_(character)
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by SWFLNole. on Oct 15, 2009 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We could have way too much fun with that
>>---l>
by DKfromVA on Oct 15, 2009 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
what was your reasoning for choosing
Travis Jones over a Karl Dunbar?
by beachnole05 on Oct 15, 2009 10:02 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think Jones would be cheaper, and would not require as much authority as Dunbar.
Dunbar is an excellent coach, but he might cost too much. I like Jones’ recruiting history more as well.
by MattDNole on Oct 15, 2009 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
what does 'require as much authority' mean?
sorry if these are bonehead questions
by beachnole05 on Oct 15, 2009 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jones could come as a position coach
Dunbar may require a higher title and more money
Given their resumes to this point.
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by SWFLNole. on Oct 15, 2009 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Disclaimer 2, Electric Boogaloo"
Nice “Breakin’” reference, Matt!
by Pinto on Oct 15, 2009 10:10 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Larry Porter
Is another guy we could make a run at, RB coach, top notch recruiter and worked with Fisher at LSU for a season. Doubt he’d leave LSU, I think he’s been with Les Miles for quite a few years now, going back to Okie St.
by nappygoat on Oct 15, 2009 10:20 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Random Thoughts
I hope we keep Odell for the 1 year type deal because the man obviously hasnt forgotten how to coach and is very good with the recruits once they get on campus…I do not think he was ever a beast on the recruiting trail but other FSU coaches brought in enough toys for him to play with…..T-Buck is the wildcard at one point this summer when FSU was getting commits and on the verge of getting more every recruit in the defensive backfield was praising T-Buck and he is on probably our biggest prospect left (joyner) I think it’s a no brainer we have to keep him….Those are the only two I want FSU to keep….Dexter Carter is out because if what is said to be true about Fisher and Trickett teaching the RB’s for their system then we need a pitbull ace recruiter to be the rb/recruiting coordinator at this slot…..Also is Odell capable of coaching the entire D-line because having a DT and DE seem stupid at this point we need to get the most out of our coaches to get us back quickly…..Thanks Matt for the write-up
by Fredric on Oct 15, 2009 10:51 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Actually Odell had been pretty dominat until recently
on recruits that’s what’s been suprising about his recent struggles, but I’ve heard he can be stubborn about broading his prospect pool and focussing to much on his favorites. The same thing used to be said about Roy Williams when he was at Kansas, when it works great but if you miss you have serious depth issues like the one’s we have right now at DT.
We got in on Bunkley way late after UM and several others were already on him, Odell pulled him in, he pulled Thacker away from VTech at the last minute, flipped Cliff Dickinson from UM who was a absolute beast and a lunatic (that’s was the most impressive because he was from Miami Northwestern). Him and Kevin Steele were really doing some serious damage in SFLA earlier this decade, they got a commit from Willie Williams but his parents were all UM. Aaron Jones was another tough get. Callahan Bright even though he could get the grades.
The guy basically naild down all his top targets except for Damrio Pressley for a good 2 or 3 year stretch. Then the 2007 class came and all hell broke loose.Everybody thought we were gonna get 2 maybe 3 5* DT’s that year and got zero. He had John Brown in the bag but we backed off after Marvin Austin told him he was coming, Torrey Davis flaked on his committment, D’Angelo McCray got Zooked and we were left with jack squat.
Hopefully the guy can get his mojo back because almost every single defensive recruit we signed for a good stretch of this decade would mention him even if he wasn’t the primary recruiter for them. I thought him and Kevin Steele were the best combination of coach and recuiter we had on the staff before the purge a couple years back. I Remember a lot fans freaking out when the Saints were said to be intrested in him a few seasons ago.
by nappygoat on Oct 15, 2009 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree with the hype around Odell
He has gotten very lazy on the recruiting trail and other (more active) DL coaches prey on him. Look no further than this year alone… Orgeron OWNED him. I don’t think things will change honestly.
We did NOT back off Marvin Austin. Odell blew it, plain and simple. I really think you are overestimating his impact- he was not in the equation for any DBs of note, and not many LBs either. Or some of the DL.
I like Haggins a lot but IMO the entire D staff needs new blood. No holdovers. The only one I would like to see retained is Todd Stroud as S & C coach (but that’s not really defense anyway, though he does have experience coaching DL). Haggins would find another job, I’m not worried about him. Allen on the other hand….
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by NoleThruandThru on Oct 15, 2009 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We did NOT back off Marvin Austin. Odell blew it, plain and simple. I really think you are overestimating his impact- he was not in the equation for any DBs of note, and not many LBs either. Or some of the DL.
I also expect the entire defensive staff to be fired, including stroud and TBuck.
by FSUncensored on Oct 15, 2009 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Though...
TBuck’s first year as a GA specifically for the football team. last year he worked as an assistant in the S&C program. Can he return next year as a GA?
by FSUncensored on Oct 15, 2009 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Would he want to?
He was being considered for a coaching job at South Florida if I recall correctly.
by l0stnumber on Oct 15, 2009 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well after our CB play this year...
he may need to.
by FSUncensored on Oct 15, 2009 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The question is
How much does TBuck being gone affect our chances with LJ? Is Coley’s relationship with him strong enough that it won’t matter too much? Jimbo will take this into account, I’m sure.
>>---l>
by DKfromVA on Oct 15, 2009 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That being said,
How do you balance the future of the program with getting one (albeit one very big) recruit? If he’s truly not a good coach, then maybe it’s worth getting somebody who is rather than keeping him around to get one guy.
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by DKfromVA on Oct 15, 2009 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ah I’m glad you said it. I’ve been pondering a tactful way to bring that up to this point. I hope like Hell TBuck’s job prospect with Jimbo has very little to do with the impact of a single recruit like it’s been suggested and (perhaps improperly) perceived through reading.
That said I’m pro-TBuck.
by l0stnumber on Oct 15, 2009 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If it is just the difference in LJ
and the difference between a good and not so good coach, the future coaching is much more important.
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by SWFLNole. on Oct 15, 2009 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tbuck was love by Bill Bellicheck when he was up in NE
I wouldn’t be surprised to see him in New England in some compacity if he dosen’t get the DB job here. either way I think he’ll be a coach somewhere next year.
by nappygoat on Oct 15, 2009 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That doesn't seem like Bill's style to me
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by SWFLNole. on Oct 15, 2009 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Being Excellent
Teaching Excellence and Judging excellence are all different things.
Though T-Buck has the skills of greatness, his effectiveness as a coach is going to be largely dependent on his ability to communicate that greatness to his players; he also will have to accept that he, too, has more that he can learn.
Therefore, like FSUn said— it is a little too early to evaluate his effectiveness as a coach. I think the corners are covering pretty well but the defense is such crap that one really wonders if there is more to be desired from Buckely or not.
Either way, I think he has great coaching stock and will find himself in the mix somewhere; if there must be a split I would hope that the feelings are of mutual respect and a pursuit of greatness on both parties.
by Trus1te on Oct 15, 2009 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You almost have to at this point....
how can you seriously justify doing anything else.
That is tough to say because I really like some of those guys. But time to win.
by noles55 on Oct 15, 2009 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No I said we backed off of John Brown after Marvin Austin committed to Odell
Odell was very pissed on NSD. Oregon is the best in the biz, he was SC’s ace guy when Pete Carroll took over. I’d put him and Blake at UNC the best in the nation. I wouldn’t be opposed to a change I’m sure Jimbo gonna get the guys who best fits his vision of how he wants the defense run.
But I think your selling him short on his impact on recruting because I know for a fact he was very insturmental in us getting alot of those kids on defense in the earlier part of this decade alot of which he was not the primary recruiter for. The guy was very well liked and recieved in a lot of the HS in SFLA that some of the other guys on our staff weren’t. I don’t know if he’s slacked off or just hit a cold streak but all the DL committs we got now like him and Miller and Willis would probaly be Noles right now if not for this circus going on right now.
by nappygoat on Oct 15, 2009 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's not the early part of the decade anymore.
This is the type of thinking that has ruined FSU- we can’t focus on how Odell recruited 5 years ago.
He has whiffed big time in the past 3 years. This year looks okay, but only in comparison. If you compare his impact today with his impact 10 years ago, you’d think he wasn’t trying anymore.
I’m not selling the man short for what he did in the beginning of this decade. I know for a fact that his lazy recruiting is being monitored by other DL coaches and they are feasting on him right now.
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by NoleThruandThru on Oct 15, 2009 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Completely agree, he has put us in our depth hole.
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by SWFLNole. on Oct 15, 2009 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Jimbo dosen't feel like he will get the job done, then by all means replace him with someone who can
But my whole point was the guy is a good coach and at one point a stud recruiter. If the effort was still good but he just had a bad stretch where he missed on some guys I wouldn’t automaticly fire him. Hell even John Blake appears to be struggling this year, even heard some UNC fans taken shots at him, it’s the nature of the bussiness.
I can’t say how his effort is right now, I know T. Barnes came out and said he hadn’t heard from anybody from FSU in over a month but earlier in the year he said he talked to Odell at least twice a week.
Maybe Odell already got the axe, who knows. I know every year, last season, earlier this season included every dlinemen we had committed or were recruting mentioned his name as one of the guys they talked to the most. B. Willis, Cummings they all were very high on the guy, and were said to have been in regualr contact with him.
I mentioned the earlier part of the decade as example of the guy at one point being a stud recruiter. Things could have changed since then (for one, it’s not as easy to sell a kid on FSU as it was 5 years ago) or he might have just hit a rough patch.
I was told by a couple of folks when Marvin Austin committed to Odell face to face, but he signed with UNC without even letting him know, and that was a guy Odell put in a lot of time and effort with. Maybe he miss read the kid and should of focus on some other targets more, but I know he didn’t miss out on Marvin and some of his other recents misses for lack of effort.
I hate to come off like I’m the captian of the Odell Higgins fan club or something because I just want FSU to get the best guys for the jobs. At the end of the day it’s a results driven bussiness and if you’re not getting the results your gonna get replaced period (unless you work for Bobby), but at the same time I know you can be a good recruiter, give good effort and have a bad stretch. The results don’t always mirror the efforts put in by the coach.
by nappygoat on Oct 15, 2009 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Good post nappy
You should post more. Enjoy your thoughts.
by FSUncensored on Oct 15, 2009 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
good post and i'm gonna let you finish
but adam sandler had the best goat reference of all time.
Seriously though, I concur. I also recommended the fanpost about the 3-4. If and when I get some time, I’d like write up a long article about the advantages and disadvantages of switching to a 3-4, as it relates to defending Florida. I’m not sure I’m up for the task alone, but we will see.
/end hijack.
by fsu44 on Oct 15, 2009 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
so would consider yourself
the “first mate” of the Odell fan club?
by PBD on Oct 15, 2009 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we did keep Odell
would he coach the entire DL?
by Pinto on Oct 15, 2009 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That I don't know, good question though
It might also depend on if we switch to a 3-4 defense or not.
by nappygoat on Oct 15, 2009 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I doubt we ever know
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by SWFLNole. on Oct 15, 2009 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
exactly
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by NoleThruandThru on Oct 15, 2009 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes!!!
IF he stays (which i doubt) they aren’t going to pay anyone to be a moderate recruiter and coach………………DT’s only.
Yeah, right!
by truecolors on Oct 15, 2009 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like Dunbar
For DC— he just seems like a DC. I know DC’s aren’t often DL’s, but Dunbar gives me that vibe—especially with the programs he has been able to associate himself with.
If I didn’t see Dunbar DCing here in the next 3 yrs I would be surprised.
by Trus1te on Oct 15, 2009 11:13 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I would be surprised if Dunbar was the DC here
Just don’t see him making the move. I think Jones and/or Anderson is much more likely to come back to the college ranks.
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by NoleThruandThru on Oct 15, 2009 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In this list
Manny and Dunbar seem like my favorite for DC
Smart is just too close to being a HC—I see him as a distracted person
by Trus1te on Oct 15, 2009 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
MattD you think if Bowden takes a farewell tour next year it will affect how attractive these jobs are?
I.e. people might be worried about how it looks, or if this could STILL somehow take a negative turn if we get good and he’s technically the head coach?
Yeah, right!
by truecolors on Oct 15, 2009 11:23 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Also After Smart I'm not thrilled with th DC prospects here... the rest all look like position coaches at a school like ours.
Yeah, right!
by truecolors on Oct 15, 2009 11:30 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Do we need to be concerned with how we treat Dexter Carter if he's not retained?
I mean, apparently we have a bad rep for how we treat former players.
by jasonole59 on Oct 15, 2009 11:36 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Carter needs to be very thankful for the opportunity IMO
He’d have never sniffed this staff if Edgar Bennett had interest.
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by NoleThruandThru on Oct 15, 2009 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did Carter even have any formal coaching experience when he got the job?
I don’t think he ever worked as a GA or anything, so this was huge break for him espically if he wants to continue in coaching. If Edgar’s wife didn’t want to stay in GB, Dexter might not even be coaching at all right now.
by nappygoat on Oct 15, 2009 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
nope
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by NoleThruandThru on Oct 15, 2009 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Probably be a GA somewhere.
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by SWFLNole. on Oct 15, 2009 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is why you should NOT hire...
who you are unwilling to fire.
by noles55 on Oct 15, 2009 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I needed something like this article
That is a very good piece of research. Smart, Diaz, and Demarest together really stand out for me here also. You have two guys here who could step up in case Smart picks up a head coaching job somewhere which he probably will.
The Craig hire I would think very likely should Fisher want to get away from coaching the quarterbacks. Why because Craig is a Jimbo Fisher coached quarterback and would not require a lot of correction on Fisher’s part and he would be cheap. I can see this happening. Great match up also because Fisher made him the first 3000 yard passer in Auburn history.
Recruits also would notice that Fisher was giving Craig a guy who won games for him a shot at moving up in the world. Recruits notice this kind of stuff.
Travis Jones and Dunbar really stand out if we can’t get Smart. I like the idea of Kirby Smart however. We need some coordinators who are …….well smart.
One thing here Fisher and Saban are still very good friends. Fisher is one of the few who remain good friends with Saban. Saban tries to hire Fisher away every time he goes somewhere. If I had to render a guess he knows he doesn’t have to worry about Fisher performing his clock is always set for sunrise. Fisher can approach Saban on a congenial basis and find out the situation with Smart without ill feelings. It could be Saban wants to move Sunseri up feeling he can keep him long term and wouldn’t mind Smart moving over to FSU. Hard to say.
One thing that stands out and thanks for throwing in is “this guy can coach or Saban would not have him on the staff.” It Keeps reminding me of our current situation where people don’t coach and stay on the staff anyway. We are the exact opposite in many ways. FSU where you don’t have to coach to stay on board, just wait for Bobby to fix it.
This glaringly puts things in perspective however. How many of those resumes would Bobby be familiar with and how many of them could he attract to coach here? Not very many of them I would think, possibly Herring.
Fisher is slowly building an image of a mini-Saban demonstrating success with each move. When he does get control and turns this around I do expect him drop the hammer on anybody who is not performing however. I don’t think many on this staff are safe other than Coley and Trickett, possibly Dawsey and Buckley. Dawsey has done pretty well but Fisher may feel someone else can do even better. We will see.
It is nice to speculate however rather than face our current situation which is much like a circus. It is much better than hearing on going Chip Meyer and Brian Kelly are the answer
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by DocHoliday2 on Oct 15, 2009 11:40 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Craig is almost a sure bet to be on this staff IMO
More likely than any other name listed.
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by NoleThruandThru on Oct 15, 2009 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Reading this over Matt
Did you run this by Thomas Briggs? This could be premium information!
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by DocHoliday2 on Oct 15, 2009 11:50 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Rec. Matt. Outstanding job. You just saved FSU tens of thousands of dollars for a search committee.
I know TK and Randy are big fan’s of this site and have already read this.
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by FrankDNole on Oct 15, 2009 11:50 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I do not want Demarest. With our recent NCAA issues hiring a guy fired for "suspected domestic violence" is not cool.
I can see the headline now. I do not think FSU can afford to hire him in the PR sense. The charges were dropped, and maybe nothing happened at all, but the fact is it was in the news and FSU should not be the place, at least at this junture, for second chances.
Speed is a great asset; but it's greater when it's combined with quickness - and there's a big difference.
- Ty Cobb
by badknees81 on Oct 15, 2009 12:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I know, we are already in the news, we dont need more by hiring Demarest.
Speed is a great asset; but it's greater when it's combined with quickness - and there's a big difference.
- Ty Cobb
by badknees81 on Oct 15, 2009 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thing is though...
Nobody in the important media cares about a defensive backs coach.
by FSUncensored on Oct 15, 2009 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I doubt that.
Any time a major football program makes a hire it is in the news.
Speed is a great asset; but it's greater when it's combined with quickness - and there's a big difference.
- Ty Cobb
by badknees81 on Oct 15, 2009 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely
I remember when this guy was the lead story on Sportscenter for like 2 weeks
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by RaysnNoles on Oct 15, 2009 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really? I can't remember them...
by FSUncensored on Oct 15, 2009 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He beat up a woman, witnessed by an off duty police officer, that fact remains.
He got a sugar packed plea deal, anger management class and charges are dropped. There is no way we hire this guy, like I said at the beginning PR nightmare and dumb move all around. There is a reason South Florida did not hire him.
Speed is a great asset; but it's greater when it's combined with quickness - and there's a big difference.
- Ty Cobb
by badknees81 on Oct 15, 2009 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't mind him as a secondary coach
but as I’ve stated before, I would prefer not to see him as recruiting coordinator
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by NoleThruandThru on Oct 15, 2009 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
such a shame
Demo was considered a real up and comer in the coaching ranks before this happened, I believe alcohol was also involved. Rutgers had to be very careful with that incident though because of all the flack they took when they were looking to sign Antwain Easterling out of miami and it was later found out that he was charged with lewd and lascivious battery for having sex with a 14 year old girl.
by nappygoat on Oct 15, 2009 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let's clarify that it was Antwain and not the coach who was charged with that.
by FSUncensored on Oct 15, 2009 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I should have worded that better, my apologies.
I was trying to say Rutger had to act agressive because they were already under some critisim and bad PR about abuse on a female.
by nappygoat on Oct 15, 2009 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't act like it is a sure thing, bk81.
FSU could get Demo really cheap. I personally want him. The charges were dropped.
The guy would be the best recruiter on staff the day he gets hired.
by FSUSOM on Oct 15, 2009 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Better than Coley?
I have six locks on my door all in a row. When I go out, I only lock every other one. I figure no matter how long somebody stands there picking the locks, they are always locking three.
Elayne Boosler
by NaGaNole on Oct 15, 2009 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
For the programs sake I hope it is a sure thing.
One would assume a majority of fans would not be keen on hiring a woman beater. Like I said the fact remains that an off duty officer witnessed him beating up a woman and South Florida did not hire him for all the reasons I doubt we do.
Speed is a great asset; but it's greater when it's combined with quickness - and there's a big difference.
- Ty Cobb
by badknees81 on Oct 15, 2009 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Was he:'
Speed is a great asset; but it's greater when it's combined with quickness - and there's a big difference.
- Ty Cobb
by badknees81 on Oct 15, 2009 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, thats been established.
Read my original post.
Speed is a great asset; but it's greater when it's combined with quickness - and there's a big difference.
- Ty Cobb
by badknees81 on Oct 15, 2009 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your post said, "Was he"
Sorry about the confusion.
by FSUSOM on Oct 15, 2009 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"The charges were dropped"...
that has a sort of ominous feel to it as far as someone being a recruiter of our players.
"I'm falling apart, I'm barely breathing, With a broken heart thats still beating, In the pain is the healing, in Your Name I find meaning, So I'm holdin' on.. holdin' on to you."
by FSUvaFan on Oct 17, 2009 7:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We give second chances to players all the time
why not coaches too?
but i understand your point…
by Pinto on Oct 15, 2009 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i know this is pretty F'up
But could we find another photo of Demarest? It looks like a Pimp Slap action shot. Come on, Matt. Come on!!!!
by The K-Man on Oct 15, 2009 12:24 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
He has a strange resemblance to Chris Rix....
Just sayin’
by coonhound on Oct 15, 2009 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think our players/recruits would appreciate a coach who knows how to keep his pimp hand strong.
by Egret on Oct 15, 2009 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And he beat the rap, so we need a coach who knows how to do that.\
www.fsufishing.com
by SWFLNole. on Oct 15, 2009 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah!!
This dude has street cred. He is a member of the Slapaho Tribe.
He has Laverious Coles-like eyes….
by LincolnHighNole on Oct 16, 2009 2:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh man I'm laughing hard
If you can’t be a fan and laugh at FSU at the same time, go find another team
by NorthernHaze on Oct 15, 2009 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
why can't FSU be a place for second chances?
i think we are the perfect place for that right now
by garnetandgold on Oct 15, 2009 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Grown adults who hit woman dont deserve second chances.
Speed is a great asset; but it's greater when it's combined with quickness - and there's a big difference.
- Ty Cobb
by badknees81 on Oct 15, 2009 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've been reading TN
for a few months but I finally signed up to make comments. This is hands down the best site for FSU info. I love this post.
Jimbo 2010
by NCNole99 on Oct 15, 2009 12:23 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
NCNole99, Welcome and thanks for finally joining TN. We were wondering how long it would take you to finally break down and sign up.
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by FrankDNole on Oct 15, 2009 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
thanks frank
I should also add that I always enjoy your rants on the Chopping Block. You are one of the few informed readers of Andrew Carter’s work.
Jimbo 2010
by NCNole99 on Oct 15, 2009 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
HEY!!!
jd-nole (me) is pretty awesome too. Just not as outspoken as Frank, since I have a life and all….
by PBD on Oct 15, 2009 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
jd-This is not a competition and if it were, you would lose very badly my friend.
It is not nice to make fun of my lack of a life, and my feelings have been hurt.

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by FrankDNole on Oct 15, 2009 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
seriously frank
FEELING……not feelings, don’t give yourself too much credit ;)
by PBD on Oct 15, 2009 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh Hell No!!
How dare you upstage me Vanderbeek!!!
He is a scene stealing hack!
GD! That pic is so funny Frank!! Oh man….
by LincolnHighNole on Oct 16, 2009 2:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks. Do you post there and under what name?
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by FrankDNole on Oct 15, 2009 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, I post there
(Brian in NC) but I started today with NCNole99 to avoid confusion (my own confusion as this horrible season is rotting my brain)
Jimbo 2010
by NCNole99 on Oct 15, 2009 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I think I have seen some of your work on the live chat or mailbag.
You probably know this, but beware of the identity theft trolls because one day you will be reading idiotic comments you don’t remember making.
>-----:----:------>Spear 'em then Scalp 'em
by FrankDNole on Oct 16, 2009 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great article! Very good stuff and your efforts are appreciated.
Assuming Jimbo is able to hire the next staff (I pray every night about this). How does that actually play out? Does he hand pick them/consult with a counsel who then has to approve the recommendations? Just curious if there are a lot of hands in bucket when the rubber meets the road or if the head coach (in what ever capacity) will have full authority to hire/fire. Just wondering what the actuall process is…..
by Florida_State on Oct 15, 2009 12:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
in addition
The buck stops here and the early bird gets the worm.
OH YEAAHH!
by TBfisherman on Oct 15, 2009 1:43 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Normally
the head coach would have full authority to hire and fire. Couple of cavaets:
1) The “fire” you might wonder how you have full authority as a state entity. Athletic department gets around that by not so much firing but choosing not to renew the contract. Each assistant at FSU has a year to year contract, though some of the more senior ones like Trickett have a two or three year contract. These contracts end/renew in January (or every other or third January in the case of two or three year contracts). Exceptions are that a coach can be fired on the basis of morality and ethical behavior clauses in their contracts, if they violate them – e.g. get caught with your pants down with the AD’s wife - fired.
2) The AD probably has to ‘approve’ the assistants. In practice, this probably means he’ll veto only choices that Jimbo wouldn’t make anyway – assistants with character issues for example.
by Wild@Heart Nole on Oct 15, 2009 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This feels almost obligatory at this point, but
I’ve been waiting for this article for a long time and I wasn’t disappointed.
by l0stnumber on Oct 15, 2009 1:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Don't feel that way, because Matt's ego needs constant stroking.
“needs constant stroking”
that’s what she said.
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by FrankDNole on Oct 15, 2009 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hudson -for what's it worth...
A friend/business associate of mine was a four year scholarship TE for Cincy when both Coach Fisher and Coach Hudson were there. My friend had nothing but good things to say about both Coach Fisher and Coach Hudson – said they were both very, very smart, knew football and motivated the team to play hard and above their percieved abilities.
by montverdenole on Oct 15, 2009 1:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Herring?
Seriously?
Reggie can coach LBs, I’d give the man that much, but damn if you want to blitz on every play and watch your DBs get torched in the 4th Qtr, by all means.
Kirby Smart would be the best hire, but somehow I doubt he’s ready to leave Saban.
by DrB on Oct 15, 2009 2:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Pray for Smart
Nice article!
Buck Fobby
by stevegrizzle on Oct 15, 2009 2:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Great article
I’m hoping for Smart. Here’s a question: What’s wrong with hiring a guy who views this place as a stepping stone to the NFL/HC job? As long as you can replace the guy who leaves with someone competent, I don’t see a problem with it. I want a guy whose going to work hard thinking there’s a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow, rather than a guy whose fat and happy.
"Your eyes can decieve you. Don't trust them." Obi-Wan Kenobi, the first sabermetrician...
by Curtain Jerker on Oct 15, 2009 2:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
+1 for your tagline
Self Appointed Grammar Police
This isn't a text message, please communicate as if you received an education.
by RaysnNoles on Oct 15, 2009 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks
I love yours 2…I mean two…I mean also.
"Your eyes can decieve you. Don't trust them." Obi-Wan Kenobi, the first sabermetrician...
by Curtain Jerker on Oct 15, 2009 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
what do you mean by
“Derrick Brooks is on to bigger and better things?”
by garnetandgold on Oct 15, 2009 2:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
upper admin
DB has a strong interest in administration in the future
Co-conductor of the "Kirby Smart for DC 2010" Train!!!!
by NoleThruandThru on Oct 15, 2009 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
SERIOUSLY AWESOME ARTICLE
this topic is all I’ve been able to think about for a month now
by garnetandgold on Oct 15, 2009 2:52 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
How close are Smart and saben
Seems like they are close like BB and MA. If thats the case hes going to stay with him untell he gets that big payday. Hes going to get it soon enough if what you say above is right and from a big time school at that.
Seems there are a lot more options out there than I though there would be. ??? Is will there be enough money to go around the first year with us giving BB some cash that first year.
Is there a way to find out if some of these guys have worked together. Im sure Jimbo has an idea of what he would want his Def to run, do we have an idea if hes going to want to keep the 4-3 idea and what kind of Def do some of these coaches come from. I know most teams in the NFL run a 3-4 and some of the Con USA and Sun belt runs 4-2-5 and 3-3-5. The HS coachs prob run a 5-2.
Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry
by Desman on Oct 15, 2009 3:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
What makes you think they are so close?
Bobby and Mickey – 25 year relationship
Saben and Smart – ~ 2 year realationship (not counting years played)
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by RaysnNoles on Oct 15, 2009 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
just made it sound like he followed him from other places.
I would stay with a guy like that if the money was so good. sounds like hes getting payed more there than if he was a DC somewhere else. Untell he gets a HC offer I dont see him leaving. Sabins name is more than enough to land a big job later.
Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry
by Desman on Oct 15, 2009 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I can't see Smart bolting that quickly if he came here...
He’s only been sole DC at Bama for one year and even then Saban is partly DC as well; I think it would be good for Smart to come here for a few years, out of Sabans shadow, and then he would be a hot commodity at a good school, maybe after this year he could get a job at a smaller school, but he’d probably get paid just as much coming here as a DC and then get bank at a big school in 3-4 years.
I’m sure JF will feel him out on that issue if he tries to lure him away, even if you get 3 years from a guy like that, he can teach a lot to someone else on the possible staff like Diaz to be his replacement DC.
Heck, Saban has been thru how many coordinators already and seems to not really be skipping a beat, so I’m sure Jimbo has learned a few things from being able to weather coaching turnovers, or at least I hope so, sure after looking at BB’s way of handling turnover, he knows that’s not the right answer.
by karmanole on Oct 15, 2009 3:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If he came and the Def turned around in 2 years it would be (because of him) in the eyes others
Also with his succses at bama too. It might not be a bad thing to get him and that Deiz guy train Deiz up to be the next DC. I dont know enough about this stuff I want anwsers not the problem.
Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry
by Desman on Oct 15, 2009 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
GREAT read, thanks Matt.
Smart would be my #1, especially if we could get Diaz under him. Dunbar and Jones are also very attractive and I think Ryals is pretty intriguing. D. Craig is a lock and I think will be a huge positive. I try to be optimistic and am all for second chances, but I don’t think Demarest would be as effective of a recruiter as others think and hope. JF himself just said the South is full of negative recruiting and we have enough issues as a program to overcome right now w/out hiring Demo. The mothers of these kids have as much influence as anyone in their decisions and I dont see them being too fond of that history, it is very sad and unfortunate. Anyways, this read is probably the highlight of my season… I am giddy like a kid on Christmas Eve, the anxiety will continue to kill me, hope is on the horizon!
"Some nasty players that come from those seeds down at FSU in Tallahassee, we hold ourselves to a higher standard... we'll keep grinding it out. When you step on the field you have to represent not just yourself, but for everybody." (DD #45)
by econole23 on Oct 15, 2009 3:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Trust me.
You do not want Tim Walton. Like you said, he is a great positions coach. As a DC, he was horrible at the U. He would probably be a downgrade from present day Andrews, at best an even swap.
by Cane Ressurection on Oct 15, 2009 3:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
What if UGA wants Kirby Smart?
I know Mark Richt has defended Willie Martinez, but the heat might get to him and force him to make a change. I would think UGA would go after Smart since he played there. If that is the case I would think that would be his first choice.
Also, does this year serve as an audition of sorts for Tbuck as a DB coach or will he get a pass since he is just a grad assistant and since the experienced secondary players are not gifted and since the gifted secondary players are not experienced?
by nolestuff on Oct 15, 2009 4:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree
I like Smart and would love to get him, but we need Georgia to start winning. Kirby I think would jump at the chance to go back to his alma mater and leave FSU in the cold and Martinez’s days might be numbered at Georgia.
by 1newplayer on Oct 15, 2009 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Smart would prefer FSU
Similar defensive talent
FSU has much more room to improve.
Richt is too Christian. He doesn’t care enough about winning like a Saban, Fisher, Urban type. Those guys put winning ahead of family and definitely ahead of converting kids. (and I’m a Christian, I just think hear some silly things about the misguided goals for a football coach at FSU and UGA)
by FSUncensored on Oct 15, 2009 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
UGA = possibly in worse shape than FSU (that is saying something)
They won’t fire Richt.
by FSUSOM on Oct 15, 2009 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow
Not saying I disagree…but what happened there?
"Your eyes can decieve you. Don't trust them." Obi-Wan Kenobi, the first sabermetrician...
by Curtain Jerker on Oct 15, 2009 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Their DC is awful.
Richt refues to fire him for some reason, loyalty, ect. And what FSUn said.
Not a fan of Richt either.
by FSUSOM on Oct 15, 2009 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree.
UGA has unrealistic expectations if they can’t be happy with 10 win seasons.
But I just told you that on gchat, so it doesn’t matter.
by MattDNole on Oct 15, 2009 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree.
Location, conference, girls, media in the state, ect. How are their boosters?
by FSUSOM on Oct 15, 2009 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree, but I'll tell you why on Gchat...
MattDNole Premium!!!
by MattDNole on Oct 15, 2009 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Im pretty sure
Richts dont just fine. And if Moreno and Stafford would have stayed they probably would be doing a lot better. FSUSOM, does it take a national championship every year for it not to be underachieving?
by Nole93 on Oct 15, 2009 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We all disagree
MattD argues that UGA simply isn’t that good of program
I am arguing against Richt and think that UGA can do better
You appear to be arguing for Richt. UGA definitely underachieved last year. They have the talent this year to be doing much better than they are currently. Richt shows way too loyalty.
by FSUSOM on Oct 15, 2009 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
UGA is in not in a good place.
You would think that they have the cream of the crop but they have UF to the south, USC to the East Bama and UA to the west. Then the ACC teams all around too. Also UGA is still trying to use that old Power ball and its just not on the same lvl as how Sabin runs it. UGA is taking steps back.
Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry
by Desman on Oct 15, 2009 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Richt
Better get rid of boo boo and Willie if he is smart. The fans are getting restless.
Playstation All American, right again! AKA The Vulture per Bobby Bowden
TomahawkNation
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by DocHoliday2 on Oct 15, 2009 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
sounds like CTC and BB
Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry
by Desman on Oct 15, 2009 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah favoritism runs deep at Georgia
Still Richt has to get rid of Martinez and maybe Bobo or heads will roll in Athens. He has a great record at Georgia however he has never won the big one. Never even played for one. He’s a nice guy, but not a killer coach. He also struggles against top teams. He is 9-12 against opponents who finished over .750 for the year and 2-6 against Florida.
by 1newplayer on Oct 15, 2009 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
sounds familiar, doesn't it?
what’s Bowden’s record in NC games and against Miami/UF?
by NorthernHaze on Oct 16, 2009 1:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He did demolish a previously unbeaten Hawii in the Sugar Bowl, lol
But UGA has as much luck in black as we do….
I have six locks on my door all in a row. When I go out, I only lock every other one. I figure no matter how long somebody stands there picking the locks, they are always locking three.
Elayne Boosler
by NaGaNole on Oct 16, 2009 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree
Georgia is way down and Richt I think is on his last legs. They are just as passionate as we are about our team and will not tolerate losing. It’s his former alma mater and the possibility of taking over that program is greater than at FSU. Plus he gets out from under Saban’s shadow. Smart I think goes to Georgia or stays put. Heck he might win a title this year.
by 1newplayer on Oct 15, 2009 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Obviously
Richt’s contract runs through 2013 and not too sure about ways Georgia can get out from under that before then. Still I think Smart bolts for Georgia if given the chance.
by 1newplayer on Oct 15, 2009 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
never thought of it that way Nice to know
Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry
by Desman on Oct 15, 2009 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then we have an even bigger fight.
I am not sure on TBuck. I personally don’t expect him back as a coach, though he can have another year as a GA
by FSUncensored on Oct 15, 2009 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sold on T-Buck either, one bit
especially if he’s learning from this version of Mickey Andrews.
Co-conductor of the "Kirby Smart for DC 2010" Train!!!!
by NoleThruandThru on Oct 15, 2009 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder how it would look if he moved at the same level within the SEC
now I could totally see him replacing Richt at UGA, but I don’t know about him working for him as a DC.
by RishiM on Oct 16, 2009 6:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bill Miller isn't the current DC at Arizona St.!
That would be Craig Bray. Miller was the DC during the Dirk Koetter era. I don’t know where he is now.
by TRUSeminolez on Oct 15, 2009 5:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
you're right
looked it up. Miller seems to have landed at Kansas.
by 1newplayer on Oct 15, 2009 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is the DC search truely limited to former Jimbo connections?
If not, I sure have a few names in mind.
by TRUSeminolez on Oct 15, 2009 5:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
throw them out there
www.fsufishing.com
by SWFLNole. on Oct 15, 2009 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Generally
for loyalty sake, you want those with connections to the head coach or the University (alum). The article does include some with connections to FSU and not Jimbo.
by Wild@Heart Nole on Oct 15, 2009 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know, but why not listen to others ideas
www.fsufishing.com
by SWFLNole. on Oct 15, 2009 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
or current staff
Of course, there is also friends of friends who we may not know that Jimbo knows through going hunting or something else.
by Wild@Heart Nole on Oct 15, 2009 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
About freakin' time, MattD.
This story was finished on like October 4th.
by FSUSOM on Oct 15, 2009 5:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Here's a few names...
Joe Tresey: USF (his defenses are involved in more turnovers than a bakery)
Todd Orlando: Uconn (loves the way he uses ie linebackers)
Ed Orgeron: Tenn. D line coach (coached under Pete Carroll and now Monte Kiffin and can….well you know)
by TRUSeminolez on Oct 15, 2009 5:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Joe Tresey: USF (his defenses are involved in more turnovers than a bakery)
Unsure
Todd Orlando: Uconn (loves the way he uses ie linebackers)
Like a lot
Ed Orgeron: Tenn. D line coach (coached under Pete Carroll and now Monte Kiffin and can….well you know)
Not known for his schematics at all.
by FSUncensored on Oct 15, 2009 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Orgeron is best suited as a position coach and recruiting coordinator
www.fsufishing.com
by SWFLNole. on Oct 15, 2009 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
After that whoopin' USF's D put....
on us. You’re unsure? LOL. I did my research on Tresey and he’s the real deal.
Tresey was great at Cincinnati, but was fired because he was going to take the DC job at Miami. When things fell apart with Randy Shannon, he was stuck between a rock and a hard place. Watch the game tonight on ESPN!
I know, I know…..but I had to throw Orgeron’s name out there.
by TRUSeminolez on Oct 15, 2009 6:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I guess the link didn't go through
Anyways there’s an article on Tresey at Fanhouse com
by TRUSeminolez on Oct 15, 2009 6:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Great article Matt.
My first choice would be Smart for dc, but I would gladly take Diaz. Anyone but CTC or Mickey would be fine by me though.
by fsunole23 on Oct 15, 2009 9:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That was pretty fu***ing Rude
I just don’t know how much ruder that can get.
Did he even consult you on that?
I can’t read the article either but he uses all of the same pictures you do and has the exact same people you have on the board.
Its funny though—I thought it was pay sites and copyright holders who got the angriest about plagiarism…What about the other way—what about people making money off of research you did out of the goodness of your heart? Which is better?
by Trus1te on Oct 16, 2009 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow... I think Gene Williams likes my work.
by MattDNole on Oct 16, 2009 1:01 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
You know, I was always kidding about the $9.95 stuff...
but it looks like I may need to start charging.
by MattDNole on Oct 16, 2009 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha I just saw this on warchant...pretty funny
I can’t read the article (waste of money) but it’s funny that they seem to be piggy backing off of you guys here….just shows who’s best i guess!
by RunninNole on Oct 16, 2009 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Somebody with a membership needs to comment on how familiar the story looks
>>---l>
by DKfromVA on Oct 16, 2009 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They'll get banned and I can't have that on my conscience.
I’m just gonna have a little fun at Warchant’s expense.
I mean… 9.95 a month doesn’t buy you as much as it used to.
by MattDNole on Oct 16, 2009 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fun huh? You mean like a guest blogger?
Gene and Thomas Briggs come to TN to drop some knowledge on us. Now that would be fun.
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by DKfromVA on Oct 16, 2009 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hmm... do you watch 30 Rock?
Gene coming to TNation would be like Tracey Jordan going out in public alone on last night’s episode.
He doesn’t know how to act around the real fans anymore.
by MattDNole on Oct 16, 2009 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Although I'd welcome Gene's thoughts here at TomahawkNation.
Tell you what… why don’t we let his group of writers come over here for a day, and our writers can go over there, and we’ll see who has the biggest bump in their normal traffic?
by MattDNole on Oct 16, 2009 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If one day we just switched, unannounced... only the diehard readers would be able to tell the difference in the writing styles.
And we’d see whose stories and actualy content got a bigger reaction.
by MattDNole on Oct 16, 2009 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would love to read an article on TN
filled with quotes from Chuck Amato saying that we have to execute better and attack more.
>>---l>
by DKfromVA on Oct 16, 2009 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I smell a challenge
However I doubt Gene would lower his standards to writing for a site he considers “not a legitimate news outlet.”
Also, I’m concerned about brain injuries to the warchant regular readers. A flood of information so far beyond the level they’re used to could be overwhelming.
>>---l>
by DKfromVA on Oct 16, 2009 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Try talking recruiting over there....
if the mods don’t delete the thread first. More made up “information” than I’ve ever seen in my life.
Co-conductor of the "Kirby Smart for DC 2010" Train!!!!
by NoleThruandThru on Oct 16, 2009 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
From the Whiskey Charlie:
After checking with our sources and exhaustive research, we have five candidates that have the best shot at becoming the ‘Noles’ next defensive mastermind.
After checking with our sources [TN and associated comments] and exhaustive [seriously… went to Strozier and called a few cowgirls and chatted… smoking hot… I wonder if they think I’m hot… I bet they do…. ] research [TN, espn.com, wikipedia.org], we have five [no one would believe me if I listed everything that jerk MattDNole listed. So just five. That way I can say I didn’t really copy and paste the article. Just these five. TN thinks they know so damn much, but look at my list. It’s five. And we actually called all five and interviewed them…. in our head.] candidates that have the best shot at becoming the ‘Noles’ next defensive mastermind [Mastermind sounds better than coordinator- sounds like I’m really a journalist. I mean, I am, right? Heck yes I am, punk].
by coonhound on Oct 16, 2009 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If that is what they consider "exhaustive research", I wish I had their life.
Because to me, it was a fun thing to look up for an hour or two between work, school, and writing my dissertation.
And let me take this opportunity to tell you why TNation is better than Warchant. Our writers do this because we love it. We are fans first. We all have our own lives but take time out of our schedules because we really enjoy this. Warchant does it because it is their job. We are the James Coley to their Chuck Amato.
by MattDNole on Oct 16, 2009 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
MattD to Gene Williams

>-----:----:------>Spear 'em then Scalp 'em
by FrankDNole on Oct 16, 2009 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gene Williams reply to MattD.

>-----:----:------>Spear 'em then Scalp 'em
by FrankDNole on Oct 16, 2009 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is this Gene's facebook picture?
>>---l>
by DKfromVA on Oct 16, 2009 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anyone concerned about the possibility of two relatively inexperienced coordinators?
First, this is great information, as always. If all goes as planned and Jimbo is HC and Coley moves to OC it seems like we might need a more seasoned DC. My rationale is that Jimbo will always be an offensive-minded guy and will still be heavily involved in the offense. That means he would possibly want/need a DC who is able to completely stand alone. If we were to get Smart, we’d have a DC who has been the equivalent of what Coley would be at OC: a great, young mind that had significant guidance from the HC. I’m not saying this is necessarily a problem, but just wonder what you guys think. WIth all that said, I’m not too excited about Herring or Minter …
by Frieds2222 on Oct 16, 2009 1:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Minter was just listed
to ensure thoroughness.
by FSUncensored on Oct 16, 2009 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I understand about Minter
I never would consider him a viable candidate. I live in Cincinnati and have a friend who worked in the operations staff when he was HC at UC. He doesn’t sound like he’d be a great representative of FSU, regardless of his coaching ability. I also realize there are likely to be other candidates. FSUn, curious what you (and others) think of my original post expressing concern about having two relatively inexperienced coordinators. Please let me know your thoughts. Thanks.
by Frieds2222 on Oct 16, 2009 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What wouild JF need
He needs someone that can stand alone and make the Def work. He needs someone that can recruit. He needs someone thats going to be here for more than 3 years because Smart might be the man but what is FSU going to do get another one in 3 years. Players are going to want a guy thats going to be her. I think FSU goes after one of these others like the ECU or Mid Tenn guys. They have a little more to prove and I dont think they will be looking at a HC job for another 4-5 years if they look for one at all.
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by Desman on Oct 16, 2009 1:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
What we need is a big turnaround quickly...
If Smart is really that good, I don’t care if he stays only 2 years, if he can drastically improve our D in that time and then hand the DC job to someone else on staff who maybe learned a thing or two in those couple years I’m cool with it.
Saban has lost multiple coordinators the last couple years and has not missed a beat, recruits come to play for the head cheese there, they come to win ball games and compete for conference and national titles.
If Jimbo wants to be a great head coach and get this program to where it should be, he’s going to have to deal with turnover, that’s what great coaches do, know when to send someone packing and how to replace a great coach with another great coach who fits the program without skipping a beat.
by karmanole on Oct 16, 2009 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Talking recruiting on Warchant...
is a mortal sin.
by TRUSeminolez on Oct 16, 2009 3:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Can't Jimbo get permission from NFL teams to talk.....
to and/or interview some of the those candidates during the season.
It would be nice if Mickey publicly made his decision to retire official .
by TRUSeminolez on Oct 16, 2009 3:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Excellent
Excellent stuff MattD!
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by NoleCC on Oct 16, 2009 5:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Did warchant steal your article? They seem to name some of the same candidates…..you guys should check that out.
by Dizzim on Oct 17, 2009 12:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I would go with YES
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by HerstyNole on Oct 17, 2009 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I believe so but it would be hard to prove.
Everyone has similar if not the same sources. Matt did a great job.
by FSUncensored on Oct 18, 2009 2:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anyone know who was on Warchant's list?
Just curious, when Gene was on Cameron last week and they discussed it Gene said there was no way Smart would come here.
by karmanole on Oct 19, 2009 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
rumblings are that its a LB coach at a top bcs school fwiw Cdrake mentioned on his site
by Fredric on Oct 20, 2009 3:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You mean Chuck Amato?!?
=)
Yeah… I don’t know how Thompson slipped my mind when writing this article. Guess I figured we couldn’t afford him.
by MattDNole on Oct 26, 2009 8:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Staff Overhaul Recommendations
I think the staff warrants an overhaul here are my suggestions:
Offensive Staff:
James Coley (Off. Coord.)
Rick Trickett (Off. Line)
Lawrence Dawsey (Wide Receiver Coach)
Dameynne Craig ( Running Backs Coach)
Roy Andersen ( Tight Ends Coach)
Defensive Staff:
Manny Diaz (Co Defensive Coord./Line Backers Coach)
Travis Jones (Co Defensive Coord./ Recruting Coord.)
Chris Demarest (Safety Coach/Special Team)
Terrell Buckley (DB Coach)
Odell Haggins (DL Coach)
by fred69 on Oct 23, 2009 3:39 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Whoever
the defense will be better than 106 in the nation next year.
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by DocHoliday2 on Nov 29, 2009 10:51 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
You might want to rethink Demarest
Ogeron has been known to thump on women also and he just ran off with Corey Miller and Brandon Willis. It hasn’t been such a problem with mothers of Tennessee recruits but then again Nukeese Richarsdson seemed to show up in Tennessee with a lot of social leeway any how.
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by DocHoliday2 on Nov 30, 2009 12:47 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
well
Stoops wasn’t even on the radar.
I’d guess that none of the defensive assistants mentioned here are on the board anymore?
by Wild@Heart Nole on Dec 13, 2009 7:49 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

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