Comparing the Noles Offensive/Defensive Performance in 2009, Part 2
The Noles' Defense
First, consider our national ranks in terms of scoring defense and total defense. I've put in both our ranking vs. all opponents and vs. ranked opponents to show the improvement, just as I did with the offense.
| Scoring Defense | Rank | G | TD | FG | 1XP | 2XP | Points | Points/G |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Vs. all opponents | 87 | 6 | 23 | 3 | 22 | 0 | 169 | 28.2 |
| Vs. ranked opponents | 41 | 4 | 18 | 2 | 18 | 0 | 132 | 33 |
| Total Defense | Rank | G | Rush Yards | Pass Yards | Plays | Total Yards | Yards/Play | Yards/G |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Vs. all opponents | 108 | 6 | 1045 | 1513 | 373 | 2558 | 6.9 | 426.3 |
| Vs. ranked opponents | 59 | 4 | 752 | 1097 | 245 | 1849 | 7.5 | 462.3 |
Here are passing and rushing defense considered individually, against all opponents and against ranked:
| Passing Defense | Rank | G | Att | Comp | Pct. | Yards | Yards/Att | Int | TD | Rating | Att/G | Yards/G |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Vs. all opponents | 100 | 6 | 145 | 80 | 55.2 | 1513 | 10.4 | 7 | 11 | 158.19 | 24.2 | 252.2 |
| Vs. ranked opponents | 56 | 4 | 97 | 56 | 57.7 | 1097 | 11.3 | 7 | 8 | 165.52 | 24.3 |
274.3 |
Rushing Defense |
Rank |
G |
Att |
Yards |
Avg. |
TD |
Att/G |
Yards/G |
| Vs. all opponents | 99 | 6 | 228 | 1045 | 4.58 | 12 | 38 | 174.17 |
| Vs. ranked opponents | 48 | 4 | 148 | 752 | 5.08 | 10 | 37 | 188 |
So there is a significant improvement vs. ranked teams, just as there was with the offense. But even given the significant jump vs. ranked opponents, a top 50 performance (vs. ranked) is unacceptable. The offense is performing in the top 25 (vs. all opponents) and in the top 10 (vs. ranked). There is simply no excuse, if we assume similar talent levels on offense and defense, for this vast differential.
Here's another interesting stat -- the performance of QBs against our defense. In this table we see that QBs have performed very well against us. An average passer rating of 158.19! That is just sick.
| Opponent | Att | Comp | Pct. | Yards | Yards/Att | Int | TD | Rating |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 9 Miami (Fla.) | 34 | 21 | 61.8 | 386 | 11.4 | 2 | 2 | 164.79 |
| @ 18 Brigham Young | 34 | 23 | 67.6 | 365 | 10.7 | 3 | 3 | 169.29 |
| 21 South Fla. | 21 | 8 | 38.1 | 215 | 10.2 | 2 | 2 | 136.48 |
| @ Boston College | 21 | 12 | 57.1 | 203 | 9.7 | 0 | 2 | 169.77 |
| 19 Georgia Tech | 8 | 4 | 50 | 131 | 16.4 | 0 | 1 | 228.8 |
| Totals | 145 | 80 | 55.2 | 1513 | 10.4 | 7 | 11 | 158.19 |
As I mentioned above in the offensive section (or is this entire article offensive?), Christian Ponder has essentially the nations best passer rating against ranked competition at 154.13. But QBs routinely eclipse that mark against Andrews' & Buckley's secondary. For comparison, Miami's opponents' have an avg. passer rating of 122.08, GaTech's opponent's register a 148.84, and USF's defense holds passers to a rating of 94.03.
Coaching or Competition?
So, if the talent levels are similar, then what explains the night and day difference? Maybe our defense has been facing consistently tougher competition than our offense has. If that is the case, then we should see our opponents ranked significantly higher in offensive vs. defensive performance. Here are the numbers:
|
TEAM |
Total Def. Rank |
Total Off. Rank |
Scor. Def. Rank |
Scor. Off. Rank |
|
Miami |
39 |
51 |
56 |
49 |
|
BYU |
50 |
13 |
43 |
8 |
|
USF |
10 |
36 |
5 |
12 |
|
BC |
38 |
107 |
40 |
62 |
|
GaTech |
82 |
24 |
77 |
24 |
|
Average Rank |
43.8 |
46.2 |
44.2 |
31 |
(Note that I'm only including FBS opponents.) While the defenses we've faced have outplayed the offenses in terms of yards gained, the reverse is true in terms of points scored. The defensive units faced this year are not as good as the offensive units faced. So, perhaps we can attribute some of the difference between the performances of the Noles' D and Noles' O to the quality of the offenses/defenses we've faced.
However, this could be due to the strength of our opponents' schedules. So let's look at a different measure of our opponents' offensive and defensive prowess. The Fremeau Efficiency Index (FEI) is an advanced metric that takes into consideration the quality of one's opponents: teams are rewarded for playing well against good teams and punished for playing poorly against bad teams. How do our opponents offensive and defensive units stack up on the FEI? (I've included FSU so you can see our FEI numbers.)
|
TEAM |
Def. Efficiency |
Def. Rank |
Off. Efficiency |
Off. Rank |
|
Miami |
0.1 |
65 |
0.146 |
39 |
|
BYU |
-0.101 |
46 |
0.818 |
3 |
|
USF |
-0.568 |
9 |
0.329 |
22 |
|
BC |
-0.382 |
24 |
-0.118 |
70 |
|
GaTech |
0.416 |
106 |
0.46 |
15 |
|
Average |
-0.107 |
50 |
0.327 |
29.8 |
|
FSU |
0.678 |
116 |
0.324 |
24 |
Two things should immediately jump out at you. First, notice the disparity between FSU's offensive rank and defensive rank. The offense sits comfortably in the top 25, while the defense sits near rock-bottom -- 116 out of 120! Second, notice that the offense has faced defenses with an average rank of 50, while the defense has faced offenses with an average rank of about 30. That is a significant gap. Perhaps this mitigates some of the blame focused on Mickey & Co., but it doesn't seem to be enough to get them off the hook for their poor performance. Let's look at some additional numbers to see if we can clarify things.
In the following table, we see the FEI ranking together with the point totals scored or given up by the offense or defense, respectively.
|
TEAM |
FEI Def. Rank |
We scored |
FEI Off. Rank |
They scored |
|
Miami |
65 |
34 |
39 |
38 |
|
BYU |
46 |
54 |
3 |
28 |
|
USF |
9 |
7 |
22 |
17 |
|
BC |
24 |
21 |
70 |
28 |
|
GaTech |
106 |
44 |
15 |
49 |
|
Average |
50 |
32 |
29.8 |
32 |
While there does seem to be a nice correlation (esp. if you remove BYU) between the rank of the defenses we've faced and the # of points scored by our offense, the Noles' defense has been a Jekyll & Hyde. We held USF, ranked 22 in offensive efficiency, to a respectable 17 points, but we gave up 28 to Boston College -- one of the worst offenses in the country (a negative OE number of -0.118!!). But notice the points scored by the Noles vs. the points allowed by the Noles: 32 vs. 32. At first glance, you might think, "Hey, the offense and defense are even!" But this equality reveals a deep inequality. An excellent offense SHOULD score 32 PPG against good competition. But an excellent defense SHOULD NOT be coughing up 32 PPG against good competition!
Here's another angle on the numbers that is enlightening. What if we looked at a quality opponent, like Miami, to see if their offense put up similar numbers on their other opponents. If we held them to their season low in scoring, then maybe our D is better than people think. Here are all of Miami's opponents, how many points their defenses gave up, and how many points their offenses scored against the Canes:
| TEAM | Gave up | Scored |
| FSU | 38 | 34 |
| Ga Tech | 33 | 17 |
| Va Tech | 7 | 31 |
| Oklahoma | 21 | 20 |
| FAMU | 48 | 16 |
Sadly, the Seminoles' D surrendered more points to Miami's O than any other FBS team. But what about the other side of the ball? If our offense is as good as people say, then we should expect that Miami gave up more points to us than most other opponents. That is exactly what we find. Even if we subtract the defensive TD (interception return), we scored 27 points -- more than anyone except VaTech. I think that's impressive.
Let's look at one other opponent: Georgia Tech. How do our offense & defense stack up against their other opponents?
| TEAM | Gave up | Scored |
| Clemson | 30 | 27 |
| Miami | 17 | 33 |
| UNC | 24 | 7 |
| Miss State | 42 | 31 |
| FSU | 49 | 44 |
Here we find similar results -- we scored more than anyone else on the Jackets and the Jackets scored more on us than anyone else they faced. When we look at the other teams we've faced, we see a similar trend, with a few exceptions. So it may be true that we have faced, on average, tougher defenses than offenses. But this difference in competitiveness, which is moderate at best, is disproportionate to the difference between the performance of our O and our D. The offense has been light-yearsbeyond the defense in terms of rankings, statistically, and in terms of how we've performed relative to our opponents' opponents. So competition level is not a viable explanation for this massive performative disparity.
Conclusion
So I have argued primarily for two claims: that our offense has vastly out-performed our defense, and that this difference is not due to the quality of opposing offenses/defenses we've faced. Assuming similar talent levels on offense and defense, the best remaining explanation for the drastic difference in performance is inadequate coaching.
Questions:
- Are there other variables that I have not taken into account that could explain the difference in performance?
- Is there some other reason to think that our defense is better than the numbers suggest?
- Is there some reason to think that the offense is not as good as the numbers suggest?
- Why aren't more people (esp. in sports journalism) talking about Ponder's amazing season?
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Why should being ranked
116 out of 120 bother Bobby? After all, Jeffy’s “offense” was often ranked near the bottom nationally and he saw no issue with that. Same old s**t, different unit.
I would submit that the talent level on offense and defense is not the same!
This is primarily due to a lack of depth on defense, especially at linebacker and on the interior of the defensive line. I’m not saying that Mickey and Amato are off the hook for our embarrasing season on defense, but the lack of players has got something to do with it. However, the blame for the poor recruiting can also be placed on their shoulders as well.
Ponder
I think most of the reason the media isn’t talking about Ponder is that he plays for a 2-4 team. There aren’t many quarterbacks on losing teams that get hyped by the media. Maybe if he played for Notre Dame, or if he had gotten significant hype before the season, he would be covered.
In a perfect world I guess all high performing players would get their credit, but you can’t expect ESPN or CBS to devote much time to covering the standout season from a QB whose team is in last place in the ACC, especially when they are already devoting so much time to covering the Bowden saga.
But even during a nationally televised game
like the one against GaTech, they didn’t talk much about the numbers he’s putting up, did they?
by missourinole on Oct 16, 2009 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Plus we're 2-4
if we were 4-2, they might be giving him a little love.
Ponder
Ponder is not going get nat’l love until the bigger FSU stories die down: Bowden & 0-3 in the ACC.
http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/chat/_/id/28773/ncaa-with-heather-dinich
Jeff (Destin) : Christian Ponder for Heisman next year?
Heather Dinich : Um, let’s wait until FSU wins a conference game before we start putting those things in the same sentence.
In much better news
IT’S BASKETBALL SEASON

2009 Rays Baseball: Welp.....we'll try again in 2010
2009 FSU Football: Bobby Bowden.........it's time to go
Be a TRUE Seminole: http://www.seminoles.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/071509aab.html
*technically
2009 Rays Baseball: Welp.....we'll try again in 2010
2009 FSU Football: Bobby Bowden.........it's time to go
Be a TRUE Seminole: http://www.seminoles.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/071509aab.html
Even the basketball team is wearing black and wanting Bowden to go.
>-----:----:------>Spear 'em then Scalp 'em
The reason why our opponents' offenses are ranked well
could also be because they’ve faced our defense.
476 yards to Miami
475 yards to Brigham Young
368 yards to South Florida
399 yards to Boston College….ARE YOU SHITTIN ME!? (only managed like 60 in 6 quarters vs Clemson and Virginia Tech)
532 yards to Georgia Tech
Miami averages 390 yards
Brigham Young averages 462 yards
South Florida averages 407 (only team who accumulated less yards than their season average…BUT they started the year out with 3 NOBODIES…AND they started a first time starter freshman against us, even though he kind of torched us anyways)
Boston College averages 301 yards
Georgia Tech averages 427 yards
That’s 53 yards per game MORE than their average we gave up to our FBS opponents. I guarantee you if you took out their FCS opponents, the difference would increase even more. (Would someone do this?)
And I don’t care if the talent level is “weaker” on defense. Part of a coach’s job is to recruit. If your schemes aren’t good enough by themselves to beat opponents, then you better recruit superior athletes. If you aren’t the best recruiter, you better be a damned good x’s and o’s guy. It doesn’t appear our defensive coaches are much of either currently.
Here, I took only FBS competition
Miami averages 335 ypg…141 less than we gave up to them.
Brigham Young averages 357 ypg (only other FBS competition was Oklahoma)…118 less than we gave up to them.
South Florida averages 355 ypg…13 less than we gave up to them.
Boston College averages 205 ypg…194 less than we gave up to them.
Georgia Tech averages 354 ypg…168 less than we gave up to them.
That’s 127 ypg more against us than their season average against FBS opponents.
I think this speaks for itself that the offenses we’ve faced are not that good, but that our defense is that bad.
by tricknole on Oct 16, 2009 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Georgia Tech with only 16 yards of offense so far
with 4:01 left in the 1st half.
There is NO CHANCE that our players are that bad. Talent-wise we can’t be any worse than 50 or 60 in the nation.
I took FSU out of the equation
GT 405.6 382.75(minus Jax State)
UM 365 335(minus famu)
BC 320.8 290.75(minus NE)
BYU 459.8
USF 455.67(1st 3 games) 354.5 (last 2 games)
For the first 3 teams, I took out one crappy opponent on top of FSU to get the second number.
I left everyone in for BYU.
For USF, I split the first 3 cupcakes from the last 2 games against what should be better competition.
As mentioned above, this is what we gave up to our opponents. Yeah, our D is not good, and helped make those offenses look better than they were.
476 yards to Miami
475 yards to Brigham Young
368 yards to South Florida
399 yards to Boston College
532 yards to Georgia Tech

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