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This summer, I wrote a preview of BC's defense. Unless you've been reading us for a while, you probably don't understand just how good BC's defense was last season. So read it.
Here's the part I want to highlight, my prediction.
BC plays a read and react defense under defensive coordinator Frank Spaziani (now the head coach), which means they rarely blitz. Spaziani is highly thought of as a defensive coordinator and is very detail oriented. He has always done a nice job of adapting his scheme to his personnel. And this year he has quite the task on his hands with the loss of his 3 best players (by far). BC returns only 5 starters on defense, and none of those 5 are projected NFL selections. To say that the talent has dropped off would be a huge understatement. It's highly doubtful that BC's defense will come close to what it did last season. Let's see what they bring back...
Defensive Line & Linebackers (The "Front 7")
Gone are the big boys we discussed above. BC doesn't have the ability to replace them. The best of this group is tackle Damik Scafe (6-3, 293, Jr.). He played a bit last year and will probably play in the NFL eventually, though he's an obvious dropoff from last year. The other tackle is tackle Kaleb Ramsey (6-3, 256, Soph.) Young and obviously not very strong, he's a major liability and most teams will be able to run on him.
While BC has major questions at tackle, they are considerable better off at defensive end. Austin Giles (6-3, 283, Sr.) will battle Alex Albright 6'2" 250 could also get the nod. At the other end, Jim Ramella (6-4, 243, Sr.) is a very solid player. These guys are good, but not great, and won't come close to having the impact that the two interior guys had last year. In fact, they could regress as teams focus on them and not the interior guys.
At linebacker, the Eagles are a mess. They lost Herzlich and he obviously isn't replacable. They also lost Robert Francois (6'2" 255), and Middle Linebacker Mike McLaughlin (6'0" 252) will try to return from tearing his Achilles back in March, but even if he does come back, he'll be quite rusty. Trying to replace Herzlich is sophomore Dominick LeGrande 6'2" 200 (yes, 200). He's not ready, but has to play anyways because of Herzlich's absence. LeGrande played safety last year. Sophomore Will Thompson (6'1" 235) will replace McLaughlin if he can't go. He has impressed people but is not as good as the guy he will be asked to replace. At the other position will be one of two redshirt freshmen in 6'3" 217lb Nick Clancy or 6'3" 222lb Alexander Disanzo.
These guys are much smaller, much less experienced, much less talented, and much younger. There's a huge dropoff for BC's defensive line and linebackers.
So BC's front-7 did weigh 1902lbs. This year, they will weigh in at 1711bs. That's a huge dropoff of 191lbs! No team in the country that I could find had this significant a dropoff, and nobody else was even close. That's to say nothing of the talent they lost (regardless of size), which they can't replace this season.
So 1711lbs combined in their front 7. Why does this matter? FSU's run game destroys small front 7's.
So, I was close, but I need to make a few changes. Giles is starting at DT, not Ramsey. McLaughlin is back and starting, though I was not impressed with him against Wake. He pressed too much. FSU also needs to make sure to exploit him in coverage, because he is not agile to put it mildly. LeGrande is their best linebacker, but he missed the Wake game with a concussion and is expected to return.
In any case, 1743lbs is their new weight, which is still 159lbs lighter than they were last year. Frequent readers will remember that I thought FSU could run on BYU because of their diminutive front-7 (under 1750lbs), and run the Noles did. USF's front-7 was decently sized at 1818lbs , but very very talented, and paired with a poor performance from FSU's line, the run game wasn't there. I won't say that BC's front-7 is as bad as BYU's, but they are nowhere close to USF's, or Miami's for that matter.
But so far this year, they have done a nice job stopping the run. Most of that work was done with the extra safety, however, and that comes with some consequences. BC's defense is really well coached. Spaziani is a great defensive coach. BC's guys know they have to take chances, but that comes at a cost. BC plays a lot of zone defense, with 8 in the box, and that leaves them exposed to big plays when their guys jump routes. As I discuss a bit below, Wake did exploit them some. Clemson, however, could not because their wide receivers are wildly undisciplined, dropped balls, and most importantly, because their offensive line is pretty bad and BC didn't really need 8 in the box to stop them. Wake's run game has been terrible for almost half a decade, and they still loaded the box and allowed 1st down passing.
Here's some notes from the Wake game:
B.C. controlled the vast majority of this game, moving ahead 24-10 early in the fourth quarter.
The Deacons could have been there, though, if not for a few of the usual blown opportunities, specifically a fumble in Eagle territory and a missed field goal in the first half. With its back against the wall, Wake drove for two long touchdowns in the fourth quarter to tie, using a grand total of three minutes to go 67 and 80 yards, respectively, to put the game into overtime on a Riley Skinner throw into the end zone with 11 seconds left; from there, following a B.C. field goal on its turn with the ball, the Deacons proceeded to move to the Eagle three-yard line with a chance to score for the win. Cue crushing fumble on first-and-goal, an Eagle recovery and a hard ending to one of the best comeback efforts of the day.
The desperately-needed B.C. win takes a lot of sting out of the Eagles' late defensive collapse, which couldn't get a stop at the end of regulation (and nearly failed in overtime, too) and gave up five passes longer than 20 yards, most in the second half.
But how much of those last two drives were because of BC's Prevent Defense as BC fans contend? What about the turnovers? Was Wake's run game all one play?
Deacons Make Good 1st Down Choices
Wake had less than ideal success with 1st down running, having success only only 4 of 14 1st down runs (defined as 50% of necessary yardage). 4 of them went for a "stuff" (less than 10% of necessary remaining yardage). The other 5 were somewhere between 11 and 49% of necessary yardage.
But part of that had to do with BC's decision to take away the run by using an extra defender down in the box (typically a very aggressive safety). So Wake countered by throwing on 1st down (this is similar to what Miami did to the Noles). Wake threw on 17 1st downs. Only three of those passes were incomplete. Of the 14 that were complete, 11 were successful, and of those 11, 8 went for 1st downs. That's 9.4 yards per pass, 11.4 per completion. But on the issue of the prevent defense, there is some merit to that. 6 of the 11 successful 1st down pass plays were on the last two drives, and BC was definitely playing off coverage. They also didn't play it that well, as some of the completions were rather short.
It is worth noting that two of the turnovers for Wake wasn't really turnovers at all. One was simply a fumble on 4th and 25. Another was an interception on 4th and 6 from midfield, intercepted at the goal line. Both plays were better or similar to the what would have happened if the pass just fell incomplete or the runner was simply tackled.
| Situation | Plays | Yards | Yards/Play | Points/ Play |
| 1st 10 Drives | 45 | 328 | 7.3 | 0.222 |
| Last 2 Drives ("Prevent") | 16 | 147 | 9.2 | 0.875 |
| Overtime | 5 | 17 | 3.4 | 0 (Obvious) |
Okay, so there was something to the prevent argument.
Long Distance Down Struggles Signal Lack of Pass Rush
Wake faced 21 2nd or 3rd down and long situations. They passed on 13 of those. These are known as high leverage situations for the defense. They were successful on 5 of those. 5 of 13 is very good for an offense in long downs, particularly when you consider what some of those plays were. On 3rd and long, Wake hit passes of 58, 26, and 38 yards. They got no pass rush, and some of the linebackers and safeties really looked awkward in coverage. When BC blitzed, they did not get to Skinner (no sacks and very little pressure).
| Name | Rush | Yards | Avg |
| QB Rushing | 7 | 3 | 0.4 |
| WR Rushing | 6 | -7 | -1.2 |
| RB Running (w/o 76 yard run) |
17 | 70 | 4.1 |
| RB 76 Yard Rush | 1 | 76 | 76 |
The point of this chart, is to show that Wake Forest ran almost 10% of their plays as runs to the wideouts, with poor results. The run game, for most of the day, wasn't special, and definitely inflated by the one long run (which of course, does count, so we can't dismiss it. When a defense loads the box, it increases the chance they stop the run, but also increases the chance of allowing a big run, because of the angles.
So back to their secondary. Here's what I wrote before.
Secondary
Remember all those interceptions? Kiss them goodbye. BC's secondary was allowed to play pass first, second, and last. Now? They'll have to use one of the secondary members (a safety) in run support. The burden on the secondary should be significantly increased. Were those defensive backs really that good? Or were they the beneficiaries of a great front-7 that put opposing offenses in tough situations? I think it's the latter. None of the BC secondary guys are likely all-conference candidates or NFL players (none are projected to go in the 2010 or 2011 draft). Let's have a look:
At Safety, BC should be okay with Free Safety Wes Davis and Strong Safety Marcellus Bowman. Davis is a 6'2" 215 Junior who produced 60 tackles, 3 tfl, 2 INT, 6 pass breakups last year. He's a decent player in coverage and in run suppot, but as with most of these guys, I expect him to get exposed because he now has to play run and pass (can't play 25 yards off the ball). Davis will be hung out to dry all by himself because Bowman, a 6'2" 217lb Senior will be called upon to help stop the run. Again, the loss of the great front-7 guys (both expected and unexpected) is going to put tremendous pressure on this secondary.
At corner, BC has similar problems. They return the experienced Roderick Rollins, a 6-0, 188-pound senior. Rollins has had the benefit of a lot of help from his safeties in his career and that help won't be there this year. He's decently physical, but can he turn and run after the initial bump coverage? We shall see. At the other corner spot is rising sophomore Donnie Fletcher (6'1" 188lbs). Fletcher is another big corner. They also have the experienced Deleon Gause 5'11" 174lb, a Junior who has good physical skills, but is inconsistent.
BC's secondary plays extremely physical, which is great when they have the help of safeties who aren't pre-occupied with stopping the run. But without safety help, if the corners can't run and run, they will be burned for long TD's. Wes Davis will have to prove that he can cover the deep middle instead of a deep half (now that Bowman will play down in the box).t
I am pretty impressed with Rollins, he's a quality corner. **Update** Rollins is apparently doubtful with some sort of leg injury. Fletcher, however, has been burnt on some double moves. Despite their decent showing so far, I stand by my summer evaluation. This secondary was a product of a really good front-7, which is just no longer there. It's very important for FSU to stay in manageable down and distance. If they can, it will be like the BYU game, putting BC in tough situations and forcing their hand. If the Noles cannot, it will be much tougher for them. Spaziani is the master of the 3-5-3 defense (not 3-3-5, but 3-5-3). Here's an excerpt, but check out Dr. B's great article on the subject (lots of video as well). That should kill an hour of work for you, at least.
The basic package appears as a variation on the 33 Stackset with an extra OLB/Nickelback playing, with the SS being the 5th guy in the underneath zone. BC's base is still a 4-3. WILL and SS take the flats underneath, with the two interior LBs playing hook/curl zone and the SAM taking a slot/TE (curl) zone up the seam (note that it could also appear as a shifted 4-3, with the Sam playing in a 3pt stance). The two CBs and the FS are playing the usual 3-deep zone coverage. In the figure above, W, S, and B are LB's (Will/Sam/Bandit), and the SS's are called "Dogs" on the callside, "Rover" on the weakside. One of them will most likely be a OLB or backup Safety/Nickel. Its just terminology.
As that article indicates, hitting the 4-verticals play will be key. Wake did it to them. We saw FSU use this against Jax State (Caz Piurowski), and once against BYU.
BC's defense was the ACC's best and easily top 5 nationally. They beat FSU up last year. FSU had the youngest offensive line in the country and were destroyed by an ultra-talented and experienced set of defensive linemen and linebackers. I have full confidence that Frank Spaziani will come up with good game plan after good game plan, but his ability to get creative will be severely hampered because his defense will face far fewer obvious passing situations. He's also never been a blitz guy, and he'll definitely need to blitz FSU to get pressure, because FSU's offensive line can handle BC's 3 or 4 man rush. When BC blitzes, can their secondary handle the single coverage responsibilities against FSU's wideouts? Though they will run a lot of cover-3, I do expect to see some man at times, particularly when blitzing. I expect FSU to run the ball on BC, even without a 100% Christian Ponder, force BC to make adjustments that they really don't want to do, and then FSU will exploit them down the field. This game could look very different from a big plays standpoint. BYU was content to sit back, but BC will not. If FSU starts to run on them, or picks them apart underneath, Spaziani will blitz. Their blitz wasn't good against Wake Forest, but I suspect it will be better Saturday, if needed.
For Florida State, a lot of this game comes down to not beating themselves. They have to get DT Scafe blocked. Other than that, I would not be worried about BC's defensive players more so than I would about FSU beating themselves. FSU needs to throw when BC has predictable run personnel in the game, be it via play-action or a regular dropback. McGlaughlin is 30lbs bigger than any other linebacker BC has, and FSU needs to make BC pay for having him on the field, specifically because he isn't particularly mobile at this point. And if they remove him, run the ball. Jermaine Thomas is back this week as the starting running back, which should be good. I could See Easterling having a big day from the slot.
Of course, the major X-Factor is the rain, and there will be lots and lots of cold rain. I am not sure what that means for a team like FSU, and this game is played on turf. So far this year I predicted a very high scoring Miami game, a high scoring Win at BYU, and had a very uneasy feeling about the USF game, predicting FSU to win by less than a touchdown when everyone else saw a blowout. I don't have the same grasp on this game. I'll say FSU runs for 180 yards on 36 carries, and throws for 240 yards on 30 pass plays (28 throws, 2 sacks). It'll be good for 28 points in some nasty conditions.
I watched the Clemson and Wake Forest games in their entirety. I don't feel much can be learned from the Clemson game in terms of defending BC. Clemson has one of the top 3 defenses in the country. I can think of at least 35 teams I would trade defenses with. Clemson was able to do things to the Eagle's offense that FSU simply cannot do, because literally, Clemson has a definitively better player at 9 of the 11 defensive positions. Also, Clemson is much better coached. But we can still break down BC's Offense, which again, will probably look like what we saw against Wake and not Clemson.
In the off-season, I wrote this on BC's Offense. There have been some changes, so I'll quickly run through them.
The Eagles lost up and coming star coach Jeff Jagodzinski, who was fired after flirting with the NFL. That's a smart move for Boston College, because Jags is a very hot commodity and would have left soon anyways. He got a lot out of his players and his team outperformed the expectations of everyone. The Eagles also lost highly respected Offensive Coordinator and Quarterbacks Coach, Steve Logan. Both are not with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.Replacing Jagodzinski is longtime defensive coordinator Frank Spaziani. More on him later. Replacing Logan is Gary Tranquil, who was born in 1940. At one time, he was a decent offensive coach, but he's been out of the college game for 4 years. Where Logan was excellent and really took advantage of his player's talents and opposing defenses, Tranquil is not highly thought of. He runs a pro-style offense, does not spread teams out, and does not utilize his quarterback in the run game at all. His schemes are simple and from a purely schematic standpoint, Florida State defensive coordinator Mickey Andrews should own him. They are also abandoning their zone blocking scheme. Tranquil's offense is literally what Mickey Andrew's defense is designed to stop.
Unfortunately, there have been some changes here. I still don't think Tranquil is any good, but after their anemic showing against Clemson, they scrapped a lot of the new stuff and went back to the zone scheme that was successful for them last season. BC is running a lot of two-tight end sets, which scares me. I will say I was right in that they are trying to be more of a power run team. In an ideal world, they man-block a power run game. The next best thing for FSU would be power running w/ no QB threat from a zone scheme. The worst possible scenario would be spread run with a mobile QB. So it's not all bad, but it's definitely not ideal.
Boston College has a great offensive line. We talk a lot about how good FSU's O-Line can be, but I am here to tell you that BC's line is every bit as good. This is one of the best offensive lines in the country. They return all 5 starters. This is an excellent group. People make a big deal about his "big" these guys are, but they really aren't huge.
LT Anthony Castonzo (6-7, 287, Jr.)
RT Rich Lapham (6-8, 322, Jr.)
LG Thomas Claiborne (6-3, 323, Jr.)
RG Emmett Cleary (6-7, 270, R-Fr.)
C Matt Tennant (6-4, 294, Sr.)Castonzo is a likely NFL 1st day pick (2nd rounder, maybe 1st, probably 2011 draft). He is an excellent pass blocker and is pretty quick. FSU's defensive end will have a tough time doing much against him. Lapham is obviously huge at right tackle. He is a very good run blocker but has bad feet and is a liability in pass protection. Not an NFL player. At Left Guard, Claiborne is an ex-defensive tackle who was excellent last year. He was 3rd team ALL-ACC and should be even better this year. Claiborne is an NFL player provided he keeps his weight in check. At Left Guard, Cleary is the newcomer to the group. He could be good eventually and was a tackle coming out of high school, but he's quite raw and will need to work on his back and knee bend to be any good. At Center, Tennant should be first team ACC. He's better than FSU's Ryan McMahon, though obviously less known. Don't get mad, FSU fans, I'm just giving it to you straight. BC has at least three NFL linemen who are probably 1st day (top 4 round) selections on their line. They return 4 starters and the line has 4 upperclassmen. This is an excellent offensive line and will make BC's skill position players look much better than they are. This isn't the most heralded unit in the country, but unless you judge offensive lines on things other than performance, talent, or experience, they should be considered one of the better groups. FSU will have one heckuva time against this unit.
Not much change here. Important to note that they were terrible against an all-time great Clemson defensive line, which was partially due to the Tiger's dominance, and partially due to the confusion. How disciplined to the scheme will BC stay? Will Tranquil try to throw some of his new stuff in there and risk confusing his own group? BC has a huge advantage here. They should be conservative and pound the rock until FSU clearly says "we're devoting extra people against the run, throw on us." FSU's DLine is now as bad as I thought they would be- they are worse.
At Quarterback, BC has Dave Shinskie, who is a 25 year-old Pocket passer and he also played minor league baseball. He hasn't played football in 6 years. More on him here. He's a good passer, because he was a decent prospect coming out of high school. He's not a run threat, however, and that's really what the 'Noles care about. They also have a kid named Tuggle, son of former NFL All-Pro Jessie Tuggle. He's an athletic freak but a really erratic passer.
If I were BC, I'd use Tuggle in the shotgun all day and run zone read down FSU's throat 55 times for about 350 yards. I think we'll see some Wildcat with him, but not as the base package, and that's a good thing.
The Eagles look good at running back. Montel Harris is their big back at 5' 10" 200. He had one heckuva game last year against the 'Noles as a freshman. He's not a home run threat, and this author thinks he's more of a product of BC's offensive line, but he does what is asked of him and grinds out tough yards. Last year he gained 900 yards on 179 carries (5 YPC), and caught 20 balls for 160 yards. The other back is Josh Haden, a scatback who gained 479 yards on 120 carries (4 YPC). He's 5'8" 182lbs, but should catch a few more balls this year. Blocking for these two is Senior James McClusky. He's 6'2" 250lbs and a mauler. He did hurt his Achilles in spring, however, and the Eagles desperately need him to be healthy this year as they utilize a 2-back attack. I fully expect Harris to get 200 carries this year, and also expect his average to drop a bit as other teams key on him more.
McCluskey is doubtful with an Achilles injury. So BC is running more two tight end sets, as I mentioned. Haden is still inconsistent, but he is very skilled and could break a long run. So about those wideouts and tight ends...
The Eagles do return WR Rich Gunnell, who was basically Robinson's equal in production, though far less explosive. Florida State's Patrick Robinson can easily handle him one on one without help (Robinson is CBS' #1 Draft Eligible Corner), and he'll be asked to as the 'Noles focus on stopping the run. They also have Justin Jarvis, who is 6'5" and was decently productive this year. Can Jarvis handle the increased role? That remains to be seen, but the Eagles are counting on him. The remaining guys are relatively unheralded wild cards. Junior Ifeanyi Momah is 6'6" 230 and caught 11 for 149 and 3TD's last season. He's their Greg Carr, except bulkier and about as fast as your average tight end. RsFr Clyde Lee had a decent spring I am told and could play some in the slot (though I suspect BC will not use many 3-wide sets). Finally, can Senior Clarence Megwa (6'1" 190) come back from a thought to be career-ending leg injury? If he can, BC will need him, because he started for them last year. Update: Megwa's leg is apparently healed, he's dealing with a hand injury and they expect him to be ready for the FSU game.
At tight end, 6'3" 250lb Soph Lars Anderson has a chance to be a very good pass catcher. Last year he snagged 9 balls for 85 yards. They also have Jordan McMichael, who was a very nice recruit in 2006 (I think), but has done nothing to date to impress anyone.
I don't think any of the draft eligible guys will get drafted. They really don't seem all that special. They aren't bad, but rather are just good college players.
Some notes. First, Gunnell has struggled, which almost certainly means he will have a big day against FSU, but Robinson should lock him down easily. Momah is definitely out. BC is using a tight end by the name of Chris Pantale, and he's been good for them. The McMichael kid is very good. Again, two tight end sets.
For FSU, most of the defensive line will play, but that is not to say they are healthy. Freshman JaJuan Harley, back from injury problems, will start at Rover over much maligned Senior Korey Mangum. Think of it as a mercy killing. Harley is the best athlete on the team and maybe in the ACC, but expect maddening inconsistency, busts, and also some highlight plays from the true freshman making his first ever start.
I expect BC to stay in two-tight end sets, with 1 back and two wideouts. They should be able to run the ball on the Noles, particularly with counters and traps, in addition to their zone run game, which is already good. I'm not re-inventing the wheel here. This is the same stuff you've seen since Chuck Amato replaced Kevin Steele as FSU's linebacker coach. Oh, they have a little speed-option they run as well. BC runs a ton of play-action passes, and I expect them to do well with those to their two impressive tight ends because FSU's players just aren't taught well on the defensive side. The defensive acuity just hasn't been instilled in these guys. It's not their fault. I'll take BC to have 200 yards rushing and 180 throwing, and 24 points.
Noles 28, BC 24.
Note: the heavy, heavy rain here is keeping my score prediction down. If it were higher, I'd predict a higher number.
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I did, still took me a while.
I’m blaming it on Bullwinkles drink specials last night.
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Im not going to say anything about the nole as a win/lose
because Im still pissed about last week. I feel like Im looking at Maryland last year. Witch Nole team wants to come to this game. Last weeks or the one that was at BYU. I almos t dont care. Im pulling for my noles but Im just dont care as much and wont tell Bobby leaves.
Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry
I just dont want to ride the rollercoster this year too much on my plate
Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry
Fair enough Des
I think it goes like this
15% chance FSU wins by 17+
45% chance FSU wins
35% chance BC Wins
5% chance BC wins by 17+ (total collapse)
Well I think you have 2 things that you have to take in effect
We play bad in the rain
the team at home loses
So where do those add in here. Also I think FSU can beat any team in the nation if they dont beat themselfs. but that can be said about any team for the most part.
Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry
We aren't nearly as bad in the rain as we used to be.
Chris took a lot of crap for that, but some QBs just don’t have big enough hands to throw a wet ball.
Im not worried about the rain and throwing. I trust in that
Im worried about holding onto the ball.
Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry
What are the chances of...
complete and total melt-down if Amato goes all sneaky Chuck-Fu on another coach?
Oh yeah, we have a game this week
Honestly, this is a really tough one to handicap. The rain, the recent debacles, and playing a team that will be run oriented offensively all make this game tough to get a handle on. Maybe it’s the fact that everyone has been upset (and rightfully so) about our leadership all week, but I really don’t have a clue as to how this will go. Huge game for this team as far as this season goes.
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rain
I think the rain could be a good thing. Take the crowd out of the game a little bit, especially if we can take an early lead. We always seem to play pretty well up in Boston. I think our O has a big game. 38-20 Noles.
by Zach_Nole on Oct 2, 2009 1:14 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
With the rain
I think it becomes all the more likely that they stack the box and make Christian throw. My worry is that the bubble and the quick stuff is hampered by the wetness, and our speed is negated somewhat. Also, ball security could continue to be an issue. I think Caz is going to have to be a factor in this game.
>>---l>
good call on Caz
70+ yds, TD
OH YEAAHH!
by TBfisherman on Oct 2, 2009 4:25 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I say we go out there and run
POWER I Tight
Wishbone
and Power T Tight
RB1: Jermaine Thomas/ Tavares Pressley
RB2: TY Jones/ Tavares Pressley
FB: Lonnie Pryor/ Reliford if WR are in
TE1: Caz
TE2: Reliford
They would never see it coming and we could just pound it as long as we have 2 hands on the ball at all time. just get 4 yards a carry is all Im asking for. Run right at the DE each time.
Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry
I don't know if that is a good thing or not
I sure hope the RB’s get pick up the slack.
Also off topic but....
Could you do a write up on the 3-5-3 defense? I have done some research on it and it seems like a very intriguing defense. I was wondering what you knew about it.
One of the other things that pisses me off about this team...
Why don’t we have 22 guys that sacrifice their bodies (for a season and a 1/2 now – CP took a beating last year) every single play like CP? That guy has HUGE heart! I liked him last year strictly for his heart. This year, it’s heart combined with the time to showcase his ability.
I’m going to a bird shoot tomorrow and I’ll check the score when I get in. If we win I’ll catch the re-cap on Sun. If not? fck it.
Ameica, Land of the free and home to the entitled.
Problem
There are other football games on. I was kind of thinking about doing the ‘just ignore it until 4th quarter’ but with the HDTV fired up for other games, it will be impossible.
Not an alcoholic, just an FSU grad.
Im the same way
I’m not even going to try and predict with this team. Of course I hope we win, but maybe if we keep losing changes will be made.
Rain hurts us big time
In my opinion
Points will be harder to come by. As a result you need a more disciplined defense to hold the other team.
Rain negates speed. Rain favors a power running team. Rain hampers the passing game. Can’t really the grip the ball and throw it with as much accuracy/zip.
By rain i don’t mean a drizzle , I mean rain like in the VT/Miami game last week.
I’m bumming now
Excuses by Bowden?!
Surely you jest.
“Dadgum rain. You know?” (laughs) (room is silent)
“I felt like on a dry field (gives that look he does that suggests you need to pay attention to what he’s about to say) we had a chance.”
(inaudible question from reporter) “No, I hadn’t heard that. I’ll have to check with our assistants.”
(inaudible question from reporter) “Could be. Don’t know yet. We’ll have to watch the film.”
“Again, listen now (does the look again), it’s the dadgum rain you weren’t expecting. Reminds me of another loss, you know, we came up here last year [in 2007] and lost [won] to this same Maryland [BC] team by a field goal [FSU won by 10], or no wait, did we win that game?” (room is silent) “I don’t know. Don’t care to be honest with ya.” (laughs) (room is silent)
(inaudible question from a reporter) “I’d have to get back with you. Sure could be. I’d have to ask the assistants. We’ll know more when we see the film.”
by TRMNole on Oct 2, 2009 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
I expect that from MattD
you know, the resident comedian….
but it was funny.
by PBD on Oct 2, 2009 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions
What is sad is that I feel like I have heard that conference before, and all you did was
cut and paste a transcript.
Whats funny, is that I expect you didnt, being the hilarious TRMNole and all…
Arrrgghhh...
I hate not getting the game in HD.
Agreed about the rain hurting us. The 2 prev games where it rained the noles fumbled what, 4/5 times in both? Lost 1 and barely beat Jack St in the other…rain is bad mmmmkay!
If its raining......
I think we baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarely win…. of course last week I thought they’d beat the piss outta USF too….
has anyone here been to a game at BC before?
I’m travelling up to the game from NYC this weekend. I’ve never been to Boston before and I was wondering if anyone had any idea where the ESPN Gameday crew will be set up? I’m sure it won’t be too hard to find, but I’m planning on making a Fire Bobby!/Jimbo 2010 sign and want to be sure I can get it on TV.
Sucks about the rain, and not just because I don’t want to get soaked. It seems like we play like complete sh*t in the rain and I’m sure it won’t help the ball-control issues we’ve had. I don’t have high hopes for this one.
Was there in '07
and it was cold and raining! Hopefully that is a good sign, but I dont’ believe it will help. Not sure where Gameday will set up, but probably in one of the corners of the endzones. The stadium is not impressive to say the least, it has alluminum bleachers like a high school!
It is absolutely NOTHING like a FSU game
Small campus, small stadium, absolutely no where to park (boosters park on the team’s baseball and softball fields). Be careful when you walk into the stadium you might end up in the basketball arena (no joke, it’s under the stadium). Tailgating is impossible, your best bet is to pre-game in the city and take a train to the stadium.
Best of Luck
Look at the 2000 AL ROY voting and try not to laugh.
nervous as chit. maybe this will be like the 07 game. hopefully not because we would have lost if not for geno
WEATHER UPDATED
Went from bad to worse — rain may be heavy at times with thunderstorms more of a possibility. Also, it will be breezy with 15 mph winds and higher gusts in storms.
Well, shouldn't be a big issue
Worst case is in the 60s somewhere.
if it turns into a monsoon
Should Jimbo put in Manuel for a healthy set of legs. It seams like he would be better than an injured Ponder if we can’t pass.
OH YEAAHH!
by TBfisherman on Oct 2, 2009 4:38 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
What are the odds BC runs the tight end throwback every play?
They seemed to do well last year running the same play every down against us. I mean…no pass rush…no problem.
Just a Reminder!!!
Tonight at 8pm Eastern on espnU #2 Byrnes at #1 St. Thomas Aquinas…. Im goin to DVR the game in HD so if anyone needs a copy let me know and i’ll do my best to help ya out…
Huked On Foniks Wurks Fer ME!!!!
by PanamaCityBeach-NOLE on Oct 2, 2009 5:19 PM EDT reply actions
FSUn...you must have seen my score prediction...however, I went with 27-24. The difference, a missed Dustin Hopkins field goal.
Outstanding preview as always.
If BC is going to disrespect our running game and only rush three, I think they are going to be in for a long day, even in wet conditions. If Ponder is able to sit in a stable pocket and wait for our receivers to hit the holes in the zone coverage, we will be fine. Many of you have commented on the impact of rain on the passing game. I agree that it can have a very significant effect, espescially if there is a down pour and the wind is bad, particularly on deep passes. However, if the grass is wet and the ball doesn’t get soaked, or too heavy, the receivers have the advantage in the passing game: they know where they are going. Look at how many times defensive backs fall down in pass coverage on dry grass/turf when then are trying to correct for a misplayed adjustment on a route. A receiver gets to run a predictable route in the wet conditions and is able to adjust his tempo and balance accordingly. Not so easy for a DB who is reacting.
I think our overall success on offense will be determined by our success on first downs and our ability to gain a first down on the first series of the game. Seems like a simple idea, right? Last week, we went three and out on the first series and the team looked dejected as they came off the field. However, I think there was a sense of entitlement that they were going to roll over USF and they didn’t. And there was the pregame circus that may have contributed to that let down. However, compare it to our success in the BYU and Miami games. We did well on first down. It gave our young team confidence. Plus, being successful on first down, gaining 3.5 to 5 yards (I know some definitions use greater than 50% of yards needed) on a regular basis changes the entire scope and flow of the game. The reason I like 3.5 yards, is that if you can replicate that play three times in a row, you will get a first down. Duh TC, that’s simple math. But, think about the sense of a team that is at 2nd and 6 versus 2 and 8. It’s subtle, but important.
Given the youth of our team, our momentum builds as our confidence builds. If they don’t feel like they can get it done from the first series, the spiral will begin. This is not a veteran team that is used to playing from behind or being patient. They want and expect results immediately.
Win first down on a regular basis and we win this game.
Just my thoughts.
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Pretty sure you stole the Dustin Hopkins line from me
Just saying Im happy for you and Im gunna let you finish but I made the best Dustin Hopkins joke ever
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I know...my bad. Credit should be given to the right person:
Here is the exact quote from last week: "Cubbie had the same score as me then he factored in the two missed extra points. Always wise that one. "
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haha, I really just wanted to make a Kanye joke
I’m trying to keep up with MattD these days but it is difficult.
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I totally agree about winning 1st down
I do expect to see mostly 4-3 fronts, but if we get into those passing situations, then we will see the 3 man fronts.
Nice prediction!
Very impressed with the preview
To put together something like this in the midst of the season we’re having shows a lot of commitment.
I won’t argue too much with anyone predicting a win, but just consider the rain, the long road trip, and all the rumors and infighting on the team. Realistically this should be a loss. The only glimmer of hope I see is that BC isn’t that good of a team.
I'm going with
FSU 34-21. Recoginzing that I probably had sip or two of the cool-aid.
I believe the turmoil on the team may play out very badely for FSU though. We lose this one, and that bowl streak is in jepoardy becasue the team pshyce is fragile right now.
Is Nick Moody playing?
I didn’t see/hear anything about him being out. That’s why I was surprised to read that Harley would be starting.
Oh, what the hell.
I’ll bet on Mr Hyde:
’Noles 34-10 BC
Did anyone watch Aquinas-Byrnes last night?
Granted, he was playing high school competition, but Miller looked better than any DE we have on roster right now. Physically and ability-wise. LaMarcus Joyner looked to have that rare speed/quickness that elite players possess. Lattimore looked like a beast, but with problems hanging onto the ball. Urban Meyer was there. I realize they are on a bye, but knowing he’s going to be there, knowing how superior their program is to ours right now, knowing the elite talent on both teams, why wasn’t Bobby there (obviously I don’t want him there, would want Jimbo or Coley, but I’m going somewhere with this)? He couldn’t take a flight to Ft. Lauderdale, then after the game fly to Boston? KO is not until 3:30 today, so he could have slept in. Is it because he’s 80 years old and that is too much to ask of an 80 year-old coach? Then RETIRE if you cannot do the things it takes to make your program elite! This is just another in a long string of major differences between our Program and UF’s – they have a guy that REALLY does care about his Program, not one that claims he does but whose actions speak otherwise. Don’t think for one second that if roles were reversed Urban Meyer would have missed that game. If his Program was the one looking up to us, he would have been at that game attempting to make an impression on those elite recruits – whether he had a game at 3:30 the next day or not. I’m getting real sick of being negative all the time. I try to be positive, but until changes are made, what is there to be positive about?
some of us watched the game. there are a series of comments on the fanshots page.
great, great game.
Not an alcoholic, just an FSU grad.
by onebarrelrum on Oct 3, 2009 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Sorry, just found what you were talking about.
I’ll figure out where to post what one of these days, I promise. I don’t want to be the one that makes the site look like amatuer hour. I should probably just go back to reading without posting.
haha...
Wasn’t judging at all. Just wanted to let you know there was more good stuff out there to read. No matter how much you or I screw up on this board, I don’t think we will be able to make it look like amateur hour. Just not possible.
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