Ponder for Heisman??? Why not??
Through 7 games this season, Florida State has not had the type of year that many of our fans would consider successful....ok let's be honest, this season has been a downright disappointment. Despite losses to in state rivals USF and Miami, as well as two heartbreakers to Boston College and Georgia Tech, Florida State fans are also witnessing something that many of us have taken for granted while the losses mount; the stellar play of Quarterback Christian Ponder.
There is certainly no debate as to what the highest INDIVIDUAL honor is for a college football player today; The Heisman Memorial Trophy. The Heisman Trophy is awarded each year to, and read closely because this is very important, THE MOST OUTSTANDING PLAYER IN COLLEGIATE FOOTBALL. This definition is extremely important in determining the winner of this award, as by its definition, one would be lead to believe that this award is not a team award but rather an individual award that should not be influenced by the play of the team.
This season has been rather unique in a sense as Florida State's offense has been highly successful when looking at the numbers through 7 games. Granted they struggled a bit against USF and Jacksonville St, but they are still ranked 24th in total yards/game, scoring approximately 30 points per game, and this is mostly due to the play of Christian Ponder. The defense, however, has been another story. One of the least effective defenses in the country, few would argue that the 3-4 record is not largely due to Mickey Andrews' squad. With that being said, Christian Ponder cannot be responsible for the record of the Seminoles, and has done everything he can to assist the team in winning as he doesn't line up on defense.
Now remember once again who the Heisman Trophy is awarded to; "The most outstanding player in collegiate football". What exactly does that mean? To me it means the following:
- a) Player has not been the reason for team inefficiency or losses incurred by the team. You could also say that the player has done everything possible to help his team win.
- b) Statistically, the player is among the top in most major categories for their position
- c) The player can be considered an "impact" player
As stated earlier, the number of losses for Florida State can in no way be attributed to the play of Christian Ponder. There's no debate that he's an impact player and one of the top offensive players in the ACC as well as the country. What about the statistics? There have been a few names thrown around thus far as possible Heisman contenders (although none have really pulled away); Mark Ingram-Alabama, Tim Tebow- Florida, Case Keenum- Houston, Colt McCoy- Texas, Jimmy Clausen- Notre Dame, Ndamukong Suh-Nebraska, and Jacory Harris-Miami. Of these players all but Ingram and Suh are quarterbacks. The following is a statistical comparison of the quarterbacks mentioned as well as Kellen Moore of Boise State, who I think will be mentioned more in the race as the season progresses:
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
Tim Tebow 1159 165.6 466 1625 14 4 151.3 0.528 2 7-0
Jimmy Clausen 2050 292.9 -48 2002 17 2 161.3 0.556 0 5-2
Colt McCoy 1806 258 104 1910 15 8 143.3 0.520 0 7-0
Jacory Harris 1774 253.4 -121 1653 14 10 155.5 0.628 1 5-2
Case Keenum 2734 390.6 64 2798 23 4 153.7 0.500 1 6-1
Kellen Moore 1627 232.4 -15 1612 21 2 172.1 0.432 1 7-0
Christian Ponder 2176 310.9 137 2313 14 1 155.8 0.711 1 3-4
Key for Chart above
1.Passing Yards
2.Passing Yards/Game
3.Rushing Yards
4.Total Yards
5.Total TD's
6.Interceptions
7.QB Rating
8.Combined FBS Opponents Winning Percentage
9.# of FCS Opponents
10.Team's Record
As you can see from the chart above, Ponder's stats compare VERY favorably to the top candidates currently considered for the Heisman Trophy at this time. Ponder has the second most passing yards and passing yards per game. He leads all of these quarterbacks with only one interception and as you can see he is playing against very good competition as his FBS opponents have the highest combined winning percentage of any of the quarterbacks.
Ponder is on course to have a great season with the current pace he is on. Granted the Noles will face Florida and Clemson who both have good pass defenses, but Ponder should be able to pad the stats against N.C State, Wake Forest and Maryland. On his current pace he should have approximately 3,700 yards and 24 touchdowns. That would exceed the yardage of both Charlie Ward and Chris Weinke in their Heisman Trophy campaigns, however, not the touchdowns as Weinke had 25 and Ward had 27.
With all this said, why shouldn't Ponder be a legitimate Heisman Trophy candidate? The only thing I can think of is the record of Florida State, but then I go back to what the award is for....."The Most Outstanding Player in Collegiate Football". Ponder this (no pun intended), Florida State beats N.C State, Clemson, Wake Forest, and Maryland and finishes 7-5 and Ponder continues on his current pace......That quarterback down there in Gainesville won the Heisman trophy in 2007 on a 4 loss team that didn't make it to the National Title game, didn't make it to SEC Championship and later lost their bowl game to Michigan, although that was after winning the Heisman Trophy. Also consider that three of those wins for that quarterback were to Western Kentucky, Troy, and Florida Atlantic. He won the award that year due to his personal accomplishments despite the performance of the team.
With all that said, when considering candidates for the Heisman Trophy this year, I would offer this, Why not Ponder???????
Update!
As a follow up to my Ponder for Heisman article I thought i'd pass on this link that shows the 15 semifinalists for the 2009 Davey O'brien trophy. Ponder is not included in this list. I find it hard to believe that there are 15 quarterbacks in the country better than Ponder. This list includes Freshman Matt Barkely and Huskie Jake Locker who has led his team to a 3-5 record. I mention that because i'm assuming they are judging these guys on wins-losses as well as stats. Jacory Harris was selected from the ACC.
In my opinion there is no justification for Ponder being slighted but that's just me. It seems we've got the best known secret in college football. I'll take CP7 over any of these guys.
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I agree completely
I was talking with a gator the other day who I mentioned his stats to and he said well Ponder is not leading FSU to victory. I mentioned our Defense and said if we had just a top 40 defense that we could possibly be 6-1. Again he said well they are not winning so I said if FSU and Florida traded defenses Ponder would be in consideration and Tebow wouldn’t be per what the likely win loss record would be.
He said that was ridiculous so I asked him does your offense have to score on almost every drive to win? Or does his offense have to know they have to score EVERY drive once the opponent realizes they can just run outside all day long? He said no offense has to do that. I responded watch the FSU defense. He responded with no real answer simply saying well FSU isn’t winning.
Typical response, a QB can’t catch his own balls or play all 11 positions on defense. The Heisman sadly, doesn’t give fair considerations anymore.
"Fifty percent of the teams in country got beat last week" -BB
Florida State Football will never accept falling in the bottom half
by HerstyNole on Oct 25, 2009 4:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Interesting thought
Because the idea behind the heisman seems to go hand in hand with leading your team to victory.
However, there is an interesting clause here in the fact that CP7 and the offense—for the most part—does everything in their POWER to win and often times comes up empty handed.
I mean, this guy is truly special. I don’t know how is pro career will go, but in college he is just one step ahead of everyone.
So I’m just going to sit back and enjoy this and give CP7 and the Noles as much support as I can. The defense showed glimpses of confidence against UNC—they are just so used to getting their ass handed to them that they’ve forgotten how to be aggressive—just part of growing up
by Trus1te on Oct 25, 2009 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
People forget UF lost 4 games when Tebow won the Heisman.
by truenole87 on Oct 26, 2009 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They also forget
If Dennis Dixon didnt blow his knee out that trophy was his to win!!! In my eyes he had done enough to win the Heisman before he got hurt but the media was too far up Tebow to vote any different!!!!
by j-will on Oct 26, 2009 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ponder
He is the best QB in the country hands down! Just wait and see, Ponder will have the best pro career out any QB playing right now.
by kritchie79 on Oct 25, 2009 7:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If not the Heisman
at least the Davey O’Brien Award.
by basbalstr101 on Oct 25, 2009 7:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The heisman is a JOKE award - always has been
1st – calling it the best player in college football is a flat out lie – the Fact that Hugh Green didn’t win (George Rogers RB – South Carolina) is proof postiive of that (I know I just dated myself with that). It’s an offensive, skill position award.
2nd – the media who vote on it have dictated that the winner MUST be on very good if not great team. I give you Troy Davis RB Iowa State as evidience for this rediculousness. Iowa State sucked and had absolutley NOBODY on that team save for Troy. And yet he managed to rush for over 2000 yards when the entire planet KNEW he was getting the ball and routinely stacked 8-9 and sometimes 10 (yes 10) in the box.
This award has become so bastardized as to become virtually worthless in my view. Through in the fact that heisman winners tend to do very lousy in the NFL – who would want to win the damn thing to stzrt with :-).
by OGN on Oct 26, 2009 7:02 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Took the words right out of my mouth
I agree that Ponder is one of the best in the country and should be on the list, but does he want to be? The only offensive winners of the award to do anything significant in the NFL in the past 15 years are Carson Palmer and Eddie George. I’m sure its just a coincidence, but still.
by TuscaloosaNole on Oct 26, 2009 9:33 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It will never happen
I agree that Ponder should be considered but it will never happen. The award is political and show. To be considered your team needs to be ranked and at least in the top 10.
If he wants a pro career the Heisman is not that important. Maybe I am wrong but it does not seem like many award winners have an outstanding pro career. They are average at best.
by Noles93 on Oct 26, 2009 9:42 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
"To be considered your team needs to be ranked and at least in the top 10."
Unless you’re Tim Tebow. Then 4 losses is ok.
by Snyde on Oct 26, 2009 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You missed the circumcision clause that covers the top 10 requirement:
Sec 12.a
“No player shall be considered for the Heisman Trophy unless their team is ranked within the top 10 of the AP and ESPN/USA Today Coaches Polls or if the player’s team is Notre Dame. If the player’s team does not meet the aforementioned qualifications, the player may only be considered if the player engages in humanitarian services, including performing circumcisions for impoverished communities.”
So Tebow is good, regardless of UF’s records.
by coonhound on Oct 26, 2009 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
As much as I want CP7, I think we all know he has virtually no chance this year.
With that out of the way, the clear cut front runner as far as QB’s are concerned should be Case Keenum from Houston. The one who will probably win it if he keeps up the pace is Alabam RB Mark Ingram, which I am glad he is having such a good year to lock out Teblow.
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by FrankDNole on Oct 26, 2009 11:24 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
let CP7 stay under the radar
then next year as we improve across the board (assuming the off season goes as we all hope) and his numbers are even better, we can non-chalantly cite his 09 stats in response to their shock at how sick he is “all of the sudden”
2010 is the year of CP7
by beachnole05 on Oct 26, 2009 1:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He might need to consider the NFL
Physically, he could use another year of development—and its true that FSU’s line should return stronger and bigger after another year of great coaching by Trickett (I will continue to love this guy until proven otherwise).
But with Tebow getting knocked out, Bradford—who is not only frail, but a WHIMP (who IMO should never have been a consideration for the heisman—even Ken Dorsey threw for 3,000 when no one could sack him) and McCoy running for his dear life quite often (or at least thats what I hear), I don’t know if it will be worth it for him to come back.
If there is more for him to learn at this level, then great— but he is pretty much done with school and his mechanics and athleticism are superb.
So, if he has more to learn—come back. If he talks with Jimbo and Jimbo’s like “I can’t say there is more for you to gain here,” then let him move on.
He really has the chance for a superb professional career—in whatever he decides to do—I’ll cheer him on and enjoy what he has done for FSU.
by Trus1te on Oct 26, 2009 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he's giving up millions on the front end by leaving this year.
if he has a great season then he’s a number one pick (possibly top 10 in a best case scenario).
This year he has way too much competition at QB.
Clausen, Locker, Bradford, Tebow, Snead, McCoy, Robinson, Hall, Pike
Too much competition.
Im not saying those guys are better than Ponder, but he could end up as a 3rd or 4th round guy and not make the money he deserves.
by B-rod24 on Oct 26, 2009 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Some Love for CP7 from the National Media
Alex (Miami, FL)
Who is the best QB in the State of Florida right now?
Mark Schlabach (2:01 PM)
I think Christian Ponder is the best NFL-ready quarterback right now. Tebow still has a chance to win the national championship and Heisman Trophy, but Ponder is playing the best right now (and Jacory Harris might even be playing second-best).
CP7, Please do not go Pro
by RaysnNoles on Oct 26, 2009 2:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
top ACC QB
I think Ponder has moved into the top ACC QB, if he lights up the stats in the Clemson game – he will get the Nat’l media love.
Also, I think GaTech’s Nesbitt should be considered for the top ACC QB. He does not pass, but their offense looks unstoppable w/ him in control.
by wholeNole on Oct 26, 2009 2:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I also remember
Tebow’s Heisman run, and national media i.e. ESPN repeatedly saying “The Heisman should go to the best player in college football, regardless of the teams record.” Bunch of Tebow fluffers I tell ya.
by fsucosta on Oct 26, 2009 4:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think for ponder to win the heisman, he needs to be seen on tv cheering up the defense and doing his antics after each 1st down. He shud probably report ad concussed till Saturday morning and then put in a routine days work to be counted as brave. Add to all this jumbo shud constantly keep mentioning him a the best. And yes, don’t forget a lame ass post game speech. Will he claiming himself as a virgin help? Bobby shud buy him a trip to south east Asia or Africa and we can send it to espn.
by DesiNole on Oct 26, 2009 6:58 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
LMFAO
warchant:
by tdchrisdavis on Oct 26, 2009 11:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That is just disrespectful
2009 O’Brien Semifinalists
Matt Barkley FR USC Pac-10
Daryll Clark SR Penn State Big Ten
Jimmy Clausen JR Notre Dame Independent
Jacory Harris SO Miami ACC
Case Keenum JR Houston Conference USA
Dan LeFevour SR Central Michigan Mid-American
Jake Locker JR Washington Pac-10
Colt McCoy SR Texas Big 12
Kellen Moore SO Boise State WAC
Tony Pike SR Cincinnati Big East
Todd Reesing SR Kansas Big 12
Zac Robinson SR Oklahoma State Big 12
Ricky Stanzi JR Iowa Big Ten
Bill Stull SR Pittsburgh Big East
Tim Tebow SR Florida SEC
CP7, Please do not go Pro
by RaysnNoles on Oct 27, 2009 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is this list inclusive? Can the final vote include Ponder?
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by NaGaNole on Oct 28, 2009 11:10 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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