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Response from The Davey O'brien Award Committee

Hello fsugrizz,

 

 

Thank you for your interest in the Davey O’Brien Award, and our Semifinalists announcement. It is the passion of fans like you that make college football great. I understand you are upset by Christian Ponder’s omission from our Semifinalist list, so I would like to clarify our selection process for you.

 

Our Semifinalists are selected by the Davey O’Brien National Selection Committee, an elite group of journalists, broadcasters, commentators and former winners, with the Fan Vote accounting for 5 % of the total vote. The Selection Committee is asked to evaluate each candidate on the criteria of his quarterback skills and athletic ability, academics, his reputation as a team player, character, leadership and sportsmanship. All 120 starting quarterbacks in the FBS division are eligible for Semifinalists selection, and for a complete listing of the Selection Committee, you can visit www.DaveyOBrien.org.

 

I hope this clarifies any questions or concerns you have, and that you will continue to support the O’Brien Quarterback Award.

 

 

Best regards,

 

Carter

 

 

To which I replied:

Actually this further compounds my issues with his omission.

If the selection committee is asked to evaluate each canidate based on his quarterback skills, athletic ability, academics, reputation etc, then why is qb who would be 2nd in the list of the "15 top qb's" in the nation in terms of quarterback efficiency which is a measure of a quarterback's skills and athletic ability against BCS caliber opponents.  He would be 4th in the list of semi-finalists in yards per attempt which is a measure of how many yards a qb produces which is again a measure of his skills.  Ponder is 3rd in the nation in accuracy to Colt McCoy and Case Keenum.  Ponder has thrown fewer interceptions then every single quarterback on the semi-final list.  He has the highest TD/INT ratio against BCS teams in the list at 10/1.  In listing the players on the semi-final only one gains more total yards then Ponder.

Now if academics are indeed supposed to be a part of this award then how is a student who has already earn a bachelor's degree and is currently working on a masters not included?  Clearly Ponder is the definition of a student athlete, with the student coming first.  He is the offensive captain for our team and demonstrates leadership in this manner.

If a set of "elite journalists, broadcasters, commentators and former winners" can not see that Ponder is at least deserving to be one of the 15 best qb's in the nation then I for one consider your award to be fraudulent and useless.  Even the one that Chris Weinke was awarded in 2000 and the one Charlie Ward was awarded in 1993.

I could maybe understand if the reason Ponder was omitted was because of Florida State's poor Win-Loss record yet you've included Jake Locker and his team has a worse record then FSU.

Unless you can clearly demonstrate that ALL 15 quarterbacks listed are more deserving then a student who has already earned a degree and chosen to go back for another, an athlete that demonstrates leadership as the captain of his team, and a quarterback who has a higher quarterback rating then 14 of the others on the list against BCS opponents, I will personally consider your award to be a fraudulent waste of time.

It is very possible that Ponder would not win the award because he may or may not be the best quarterback in the nation and I am very understanding of this.  However it is inexcusable of a set of "elite" committee members to think that there could possibly be 15 better qb's who accurately fit the requirements for the award.

Sincerely fsugrizz.

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Excellent response

"Fifty percent of the teams in country got beat last week" -BB
Florida State Football will never accept falling in the bottom half

by HerstyNole on Oct 27, 2009 4:55 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree

Great response…..I love the fact that they try and justify how they make their decision only to further make themselves look like morons

by DJ82585 on Oct 27, 2009 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Awesome!!

So glad that you responded back. I about spit my drink on my computer when I saw that they consider academics. Ponder should be at the top of the list then!

by TuscaloosaNole on Oct 27, 2009 7:08 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I may have gone a bit overboard

With the whole Charlie Ward and Chris Weinke but I felt it was important to show that I would completely ignore this award from now on and consider it a useless award.

"Reporter: What will you tell the team at halftime Bobby?
Bobby: I'll tell 'em what I always tell 'em when were winning. Boys if they don't score we'll win this game"

by fsugrizz on Oct 27, 2009 7:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

You need to work on your grammar

But overall the message was on point

by Trus1te on Oct 27, 2009 8:45 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

go for it grammar police...

"Reporter: What will you tell the team at halftime Bobby?
Bobby: I'll tell 'em what I always tell 'em when were winning. Boys if they don't score we'll win this game"

by fsugrizz on Oct 27, 2009 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Do you

think they will reply to that?

by Nole93 on Oct 27, 2009 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Of course they will.

It will be the same email he received originally. I bet Carter will still send his best regards.

by NOLEinTX on Oct 28, 2009 2:08 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

CP7, Please do not go Pro

by RaysnNoles on Oct 28, 2009 8:49 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've gotten no response

and I know that grammar is important but I was so frustrated at the canned response that I typed as fast as I could and wasn’t nearly as concerned with grammar. Who consists of an “elite broadcaster or commentator”? I’d say that a certain voice of the Noles is just as good a commentator as say….Fowler or Herby. I’d also contend that Uncensored is a better journalist/blogger then 100% of the ESPN blog network. Who defines “elite”?

"Reporter: What will you tell the team at halftime Bobby?
Bobby: I'll tell 'em what I always tell 'em when were winning. Boys if they don't score we'll win this game"

by fsugrizz on Oct 28, 2009 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I emailed him back as well, and got no response

However, I emailed the committee members, and thus far have gotten one response back, from Mr. Burch. I believe he is willing to have an open dialogue about this. Who knows about the rest.

by basbalstr101 on Oct 28, 2009 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Their "elite"

are all Tebow and McCoy $#&% suckers.

He bleeds Garnet and Gold, She bleeds Crimson and White. AND THEY BOTH HATE ORANGE! GO NOLES!! ROLL TIDE!!

by gonolesrolltide on Nov 1, 2009 2:06 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Everyone should write letters to Nissan and tell them you will never buy their cars because they refuse to acknowledge Ponder. That should be good for a for a few "w" in Japanese.

You see they use “w” which stands for 笑う (warau, “to laugh”). I’ve also seen ハハハ for hahaha. Similar to our lol.

>-----:----:------>Spear 'em then Scalp 'em

by FrankDNole on Oct 28, 2009 11:31 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

You're missing the point.

The selection committee evaluates each candidate based on> their perception of his quarterback skills, athletic ability, academics, reputation, etc.

Their perception of Ponder is based on their perception of FSU, which isn’t good. That’s an artificat of the Nepotism Era. These “elite journalists and sportswritiers” kept rankeing us as a preseason top 10 team. It took them years to catch on to what many Noles fans knew by 2002— we had serious coaching and leadership issues that were keeping us from being a legitimate top 10 team.. Every year these “experts” would rank us high, and every year we would prove them to be the lazy, uninformed, go-along-with-the-hype and incorrect hacks that they were. They finally got the lesson, and the pendulum has swung the other way against us.

The reaction we’re seeing now is an artifact of our performance during the Nepotism Era, and their percetion of the ACC, compounded by the academic scandal.

In other words, to the extent they are even looking at stats, they are filtering those through a very subjective lens.

And all of us, but especially Christian, have Bobby Bowden to thank for that. The man has hurt and is hurting careers.

I known you’re upset about the injustice of the selection. But don’’t expect these media elites to self-report on ESPN or other outlets regarding their bias or the unfairness of excluding Ponder from the list.

In a perfect world, when Ponder is the top college QB next year and they try to name him to the O’Brien list, he would tell the world how silly, superficial and worthless the award is. But he has too much class.

by FiestaNole on Oct 28, 2009 7:00 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Never thought of it like that

But you make very legitimate points

CP7, Please do not go Pro

by RaysnNoles on Oct 28, 2009 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Knew it had to happen

Was wondering how long it would take for this to turn to a “Bobby Bowdens fault” post. At least it took a while this time.

BTW….Heard that Coach Bowden was also responsible for 9 1 1

We are quickly becoming what, for so long, we were proud that we were not.

by Tims_a_Nole on Oct 30, 2009 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not responsible for the heinous attacks on September 11th.

But responsible for tearing down the empire he once helped build. Guilty as charged.

by The K-Man on Oct 30, 2009 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Guess you like

kissing Bobby’s arse….

He bleeds Garnet and Gold, She bleeds Crimson and White. AND THEY BOTH HATE ORANGE! GO NOLES!! ROLL TIDE!!

by gonolesrolltide on Nov 1, 2009 2:16 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

does any one else see a positive in this -

it will hopefully motivate ponder et al to work harder to show those insane bastards that they made a ridiculous mistake

viva cp7

by 000111 on Oct 29, 2009 1:12 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Never on 2009 watch list

Never on 2009 watch list, but Drew Weatherford on 2008 watch list and he was second string!!

http://blog.daveyobrien.org/2009/08/03/2009-o%E2%80%99brien-quarterback-award-watch-list-announced/

by nole2584 on Oct 29, 2009 4:04 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

What a joke! Ponnder deserves to be on that list and they know they dropped the ball. The response they gave grizz justifies that. These awards are decided in the preseason and we all know who will be finalists: Tebow, McCoy, and the media likes a Cinderella so Keenum will be one(now that Bradford is out). It’s just sad that Christian was overlooked because of our poor start.

by BeerNole on Oct 29, 2009 8:49 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

You know …I agree pretty much with all you guys said above. Fact is the presses opinion of Ponder is shaded by the fact he was considered a 3 star QB out of HS. If it was 5 star EJ then he might be up for that trophy. I don’t sweat it much they snubbed him….Ponder is likely smarter than all of them put together.

"I am not now at all sure that the tendency to treat the whole thing as a kind of vast game is really good - certainly not for me who find that kind of thing only too fatally attractive." - J R R Tolkein

by Olbrannon on Oct 29, 2009 6:44 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Ponder graduated with honors - Summa Cum Laude

I would have put that in your response – but otherwise excellent

by OGN on Oct 31, 2009 8:06 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Well said
If a set of “elite journalists, broadcasters, commentators and former winners” can not see that Ponder is at least deserving to be one of the 15 best qb’s in the nation then I for one consider your award to be fraudulent and useless.

by CSI Nole on Oct 31, 2009 1:57 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

no doubt

awesome response – that was definitely the best line and this committee obviously doesnt even go by its own criteria!!!

by fsu9310 on Nov 4, 2009 12:32 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Good response fsugrizz

I was at the live taping of the Bobby Bowden Call in show Thursday night, one of the questions posed to Bobby was " Are you surprised that your star QB and team captain was not named as a Davey O’Brien finalist?" His answer was roughly… “No, look at our record…we haven’t won enough games.” Not only was this answer surprising to me, but the way he answered it was surprising to me. Not a care in the world.

Obviously, he does not care about the careers of his players. I have been slow to jump on the “Bobby has to go” train ,but after seeing this I am now on it. It hurts me to say that…but I got it out.

It’s also surprising to me after reading the above response from the committee on how they evaluate the players. No where on there is team record a measurable. I understand that it’s often implied but there is no excuse for this “elite” committee to leave Ponder off the list. Especially considering Jake Locker is on the list…

Sorry for rambling.

by REtaxNole on Oct 31, 2009 5:51 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Well, at least you finally smelled the coffee.

Coach Bowden should have retired after the 2000 season.

by Grizzlynole on Nov 4, 2009 11:47 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think by "Elite Journalists"

he in fact means “Lazy Journalists that get all their information from Sportscenter.”

This is why I think you’ve e-mailed the wrong people. The “Elite Journalists” at ESPN need to be convinced that Ponder was snubbed from this award before anyone else in the country will listen.

by SeminoleDan on Nov 2, 2009 8:16 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Perception goes beyond W-L column

Of course Ponder has played as well as anybody and deserves to be on the short list. But …

I think the lack of national exposure (wasn’t Ga Tech the last nationally televised game?) plus the Bowden/Fisher/Andrews/Amato circus act and the resulting blackout fiasco have distracted the national media from noticing Ponder’s excellent play.

For example, Ga Tech was one of Ponder’s better games. Yet, the focus during that game was on Bowden and the attempted blackout. As far as the typical journalist is concerned, Ponder’s play was lost among all the craziness leading up to that game.

by GoGators15 on Nov 2, 2009 11:08 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

Not throughout the entire game; was simply listing distractions.

by GoGators15 on Nov 4, 2009 10:07 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

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