North Carolina State Wolfpack @ Florida State Seminoles Preview
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Line: FSU -10/ (Over/Under 64)
Last year, Florida State pulled the game out 26-17 on a Thursday night in Raleigh. The Pack's offense tore up FSU's defense for the better part of the 1st half. Then FSU's offense took over and held the ball for almost 40 minutes, taking the pack off their game. FSU stopped only 4 of State's 12 1st down rushes for 1 or fewer yards. The pack had 3 runs over 15 yards and a bunch of runs over 10 yards. Russel Wilson had a QB rating of 139. He completed 5 passes of 15+ yards. FSu had only 1 sack on 26 Pack passing plays. FSu's offense struggled early, being called for 5 holding penalties in the first half, and allowed sacks on 8% of passing plays. Eventually, FSU managed to get the run game going and pulled it out.
Inside, you'll find find the most comprehensive preview on the net.
NC State's Offense v. Florida State's Defense
NC State has roughly the 25th best offense in the country. Here's what they've done so far against 1a teams.
| NC State Offensive Performance | |||||
| Opponent | South Carolina | Pittsburgh | Wake Forest | Duke | Boston College |
| Opponent Defensive Efficiency Ranking (Opponent Adjusted) | 17th | 59th | 46th | 79th | 3rd |
| Plays | 56 | 80 | 69 | 53 | 82 |
| Yards Per Play | 2.4 | 6.6 | 5.5 | 6.4 | 4.8 |
| Rushes | 25 | 45 | 25 | 19 | 25 |
| Yards/ Rush | 3.7 | 4.9 | 4.4 | 8.6 | 3.8 |
| Passing Plays | 31 | 36 | 44 | 34 | 57 |
| Yards/ Pass Play | 1.3 | 8.9 | 6.1 | 5.1 | 5.2 |
| 1st Downs- Success-Stuffed | 22-5 (23%)-11 | 34-14 (41%)-5 | 26-12 (46%)-10 | 33-12 (36%)-14 | |
| Standard 2nd Downs | 4-9 (44%) | 7-13 (54%) | 2-5 (40%) | 11-12 (92%) | |
| Passing 2nd Downs | 2-10 (20%) | 7-17 (41%) | 5-11 (45%) | 4-17 (24%) | |
| Standard 3rd Downs | 5-5 (100%) | 3-4 (75%) | 4-6 (67%) | 3-8 (38%) | |
| Passing 3rd Downs | 0-10 (10%) | 4-9 (44%) | 0-5 (0%) | 2-12 (17%) | |
| Note | State lost their starting left tackle and never really recovered. Untimely penalties also killed them. | Had a 21 yard bad snap, so #'s are much better. Plays of 25, 30, 16, 17, 13, 19, 17, 29, 17, 11, 19, 16, 23, 33, 24, 26, 38, 21, 22, 21 | No down-by-down pre-sorted data available. | Pr | j |
Guys, this is scary. The worst defense State has played was rated 79th. FSU's is 104th. There are only 120 teams in division 1. I personally believe FSU's defense should be around #110 or 112, because 2 of their opponents ran a prevent offense while the game was still in doubt, which made their performance look better. Let's show this to you in graph form. Here are the defenses NC State has faced to date:
Of course, the lower the number, the better. NC State should have their best offensive day of the year.
But what about the offenses the putrid FSU defense has faced?
NC State is clearly a step above BC, UNC, and USF in terms of offense.
And here's what FSU did against those offenses
| Opponent | Miami | @ BYU | USF | at BC | GTech | @ UNC |
| Opponent Adjusted Efficiency Ranking (Opponent Adjusted) | 22nd | 6th | 94th | 61st | 2nd | 91st |
| Plays | 74 | 53 | 60 | 57 | 63 | 68 |
| Yards Per Play Allowed | 6.4 | 9 | 6.2 | 7.1 | 8.5 | 4.9 |
| Rushes | 29 | 18 | 37 | 34 | 55 | 38 |
| Yards/ Rush Allowed | 3.4 | 6.3 | 5 | 5.7 | 7.4 | 6.7 |
| Passing Plays | 35 | 35 | 23 | 23 | 8 | 30 |
| Yards/ Pass Play Allowed | 10.8 | 10.3 | 8.2 | 9.1 | 16.4 | 2.7 |
So NC State is decidedly the 4th best offense FSU will have faced. Against similar or better offenses, FSU has been absolutely torched.
So back to NCST. They haven't run but you know they will. Their run game appears to be pretty good but for whatever reason, they've abandoned the run game. No idea why they've been abandoning the run. Against Florida State, I'd say they should not abandon the run.
Their primary run game is the zone read.
NCST runs the zone read play as their base run play. Here's the video:
Here's a diagram:

That's the one where the QB in the shotgun reads the backside defensive end. The line blocks away from him. If the end stays at home to keep the QB in check, the QB will hand the ball off because they have the numerical advantage. If the end "crashes down", the QB will keep the ball. As linked above, FSU does not do well against this at all. This stuff is the number one weakness of FSU's defense. By far. And this defense is banged up, undisciplined, and unsurprisingly not well coached by a disinterested and fractured defensive coaching staff. I would choose to run this against FSU even if I didn't have the personnel to do so. That is exactly what Boston College did to beat FSU last season with their terrible offense. it is what multiple offenses do to FSU.
So how do you stop this? FSU's defensive coaches have no idea. Good defensive line play helps. Someone must win their one-on-one matchup. Chris Brown of SmartFootball.com has some ideas here.
Unfortunately, defending this requires discipline. This is particularly important when he is the read defender on the backside. In Chris Brown's piece linked above, in the 2nd photo, think of Yarborough as the "E" (end) crashing down, and Nigel Bradham as the scraping linebacker. There's an opportunity here for Bradham to have a huge game here.
The zone read is difficult to stop. FSU must have a good gameplan and must change up their looks. I do not have much confidence in FSU to do that. However, I do think FSU has some advantages here. FSU's linebackers are very fast and okay in coverage. That will allow FSU to stay in a base defense or a nickel defense against State's 3 or 4 wide receiver look. Many teams are forced to use 6 defensive backs against USF's look, but because of FSU's linebackers, the Noles can use only 5 defensive backs. Obviously when trying to stop the run, linebackers are better than defensive backs.
It really sucks to pin your defensive hopes on the chance that the opposing offense will play stupidly or get impatient and abandon the run.
I have noticed that NC State hits a lot of big plays. Their drives are often erratic, looking like: incomplete, scramble for 2, throw for 20, run for no gain, run for 40 (TD). FSU gives up a ridiculous amount of big plays due to their coaching (players out of position due to coaching).
FSU must contain Russell Wilson. The teams which have done the best job slowing this Wolfpack attack haven't even really rushed the kid at all. They just play patty-cake with the opposing linemen, bull-rush the middle, and then tackle Willson if he tries to leave the pocket. FSU's defensive coaches are negligent at best and won't have FSU's defense ready to do this. Instead, they will wildly rush Wilson, he will break contain, and then we will throw things at the TV.
NCST likes to throw to their tight end a lot. He's George Bryan. FSU doesn't cover the tight end worht a damn. That's a recipe for disaster, especially when you consider that...
NC State runs a ridiculous amount of trips sets. FSU fans know that the 'Noles absolutely have no clue against a set involving trips.3 Wideouts to 1 side, with a tight end on the other, a good runningback and an exceptionally mobile quarterback. This could be ugly.
NC State's offensive line blocks well. The offensive line boasts four seniors: Julian Williams at guard, Jerraill McCuller at tackle and Ted Larsen at center (Williams and Larsen are actually graduates). Those three players boast 69 starts between them. They have a decent Junior left tackle. These guys give Wilson a ton of time, though in fairness, teams rarely rush him. Their running back is 5'10" 225lb RsSr. Toney Baker. The guy is a load and will be trouble for FSU's tiny defense. Scat-back Jamelle Eugene provides a nice changeup. State has one good wideout, Owen Spencer, who is a burner. The rest of their wideouts aren't special. Wilson is an excellent runner and he also has a good arm. He is erratic at times, particularly when throwing to his left (tendency? ;) ), but his problems do not show up against man coverage like they do against zone coverage.
via media.scout.com
Prediction: I expect NC State to gain 7.7 yards per play, which would be their best effort on the year, by far. Specifically, that'd be about 20% greater than their best performance of the year. How many points will they score? Read on.
North Carolina State's Defense v. Florida State's Offense.
FSU's offense isn't above average. It isn't good. It is elite. And damn that feels good to say!
You know that FSU runs a pro-spread attack, which has been leaning more and more towards the spread due to the injury to excellent blocking tight end Caz Piurowski, the amazing play of QB Christian Ponder, the plethora of talented receivers, and backs who run well without a fullback. FSU's offense is currently the 4th best in the country. Here's their game by game breakdown:
| Opponent | Miami | BYU | USF | BC | GT | UNC |
| Opponent Adjusted Efficiency Ranking (Opponent Adjusted) | 12 | 64 | 40 | 3 | 39 | 20 |
| Plays | 71 | 77 | 64 | 71 | 66 | 65 |
| Yards Per Play Allowed | 5.7 | 6.6 | 4.5 | 5.8 | 8.2 | 6.7 |
| Rushes | 28 | 49 | 22 | 28 | 28 | 23 |
| Yards/ Rush Allowed | 4.5 | 6.4 | 2.8 | 2.9 | 6.9 | 2.3 |
| Passing Plays | 43 | 28 | 42 | 43 | 38 | 42 |
| Yards/ Pass Play Allowed | 6.4 | 7.1 | 5.4 | 7.7 | 9.1 | 9.2 |
That's a very good offense. Every defense they've played has been in the top half (except BYU, which is 4 spots off). 5 are in the top 4, 3 in the top 20, and two in the top 12. Looking at FSU's raw numbers without considering their opponents is insane. Let's take a look at this in chart form:
What sticks out to me is just how good BC and Miami's defense's are. Carolina's is also very good and will look even better considering what they did to VTech last night. It also tells me that USF literally played the game of their life. This indicates that NC State's defense is the 2nd worst FSU will have faced, and I agree with the numbers here.
So let's look at how NC State's defense has performed:
| Opponent | USCe | Pitt | Wake | Duke | BC |
| Opponent Adjusted Efficiency Ranking (Opponent Adjusted) | 58 | 22 | 40 | 26 | 65 |
| Plays | 64 | 46 | 77 | 80 | 64 |
| Yards Per Play Allowed | 4 | 6.5 | 5.1 | 6.4 | 7.6 |
| Rushes | 39 | 22 | 26 | 28 | 38 |
| Yards/ Rush Allowed | 3.2 | 4.6 | 2.9 | 2.6 | 8.1 |
| Passing Plays | 25 | 24 | 51 | 52 | 26 |
| Yards/ Pass Play Allowed | 5.2 | 8.3 | 6.8 | 8.4 | 6.9 |
That's not a particularly good defense. Let's take a look at the relative qualities of the offenses they have faced.
Yeah... FSU's offense is significantly better than anything NC State has seen so far. And FSU has already seen 5 defenses better than NC State.
They run a 4-3 most of the time, with a nickel, 3-4, or 3-3-5 on obvious passing downs. They play almost exclusively zone now, because their defense has seen some seriously bad injuries. And it is a soft zone. They do not pattern read. They will try to stay in their base defense against 3 wideouts.
On defense, they have 3 good players. Defensive End Willie Young is a mid-round NFL guy and he played well last year against Datko. I expect Datko to handle him this time. Alan-Michael Cash is a quality defensive tackle. Smallish but a good penetrator, he has a shot at the NFL. DeAndre Morgan is a quality corner. The rest of their defense is average to below average.
Remember our conversation with BackingThePack.com:
NCST has given up a lot of points on defense this year, has there been any talk of personnel or scheme changes for the upcoming game? Where do you think NCST matches up well against FSU's offense, if at all?
I don't expect any significant changes simply because the staff's options on that side of the ball are extremely limited. In the secondary, for example, we've got underclassmen backing up all four positions. There's not much to like about NC state's back seven, but at the same time, I trust that they are playing the best guys available. Which is truly frightening.
With the defense flaming out so spectacularly over the last few weeks, defensive coordinator Mike Archer has earned the attention of the Fire Somebody crowd. Tom O'Brien voiced his support earlier this week both for Archer and for our zone-heavy bend-but-don't-break scheme. If there are some wrinkles in that scheme on Saturday, I would think they'll come in the form of a little more man pressure. But that's just not who these guys are, so I'd expect the conservative approach most of the time. Hope I'm wrong about that. Everybody's killed this poorly-executed zone, and Ponder won't be an exception. Teams are doubling defensive end Willie Young and effectively neutralizing him, and none of the other guys are stepping up to make plays. Take Willie out of the equation, torch the secondary. Rinse, repeat.
So, no, there is nothing I like about how the Wolfpack defense matches up with FSU's offense. Perhaps they'll be able to limit FSU's unimpressive ground game, but I don't figure that to matter.
The Pack is extremely thin on defense. This year's team was hurt by a pair of offseason defections by kids who could have been useful players in the secondary. One of whom may have started at corner. Safety Javon Walker, who was very good two years ago, was lost to a knee injury and never got back on the field. Freshman corner Rashard Smith, one of the few pleasant surprises in the secondary, is done for the year. Linebacker Nate Irving survived a horrific car accident that cost him his season. And Linebacker Ray Michel (who played with me in High School) is also out. Michel was the defensive captain and called the defensive signals. Freshman C.J. Wilson replaces Rashard Smith as the starter at boundary corner. Justin Byers is the backup. Freshman Gary Grant is now the reserve at field corner. In the first seven games of 2009, NC State has used six different starting lineups in the defensive secondary. Injuries, abilities and experience have all been factors in the changes as the coaching staff tries to find the right combination. Cornerbacks DeAndre Morgan and Rashard Smith and safety Clem Johnson have all missed time due to injuries this season. Some players have started at different positions, including Koyal George at field and boundary corner, Johnson at field and boundary safety and Justin Byers at field safety and boundary corner. This week could mark the seventh new lineup in the backfield, as Smith went down with an injury and C.J. Wilson is slated to be back in the starting lineup (he started the season opener). State has no upperclassmen at linebacker.
I expect FSU to come out and run the ball if NC State plays as soft of a zone as I expect they will. Look for FSU to put up 8.3 yards per play, their best performance of the season.
Special Teams
Ah, the forgotten units.
Let's just say that FSU's special teams return and cover units have been great while NC State's have been terrible:
FSU has the 12th best return/ cover teams while State has the 117th best (or 3rd worst nationally). Greg Reid against a depleted cover team? Yes please.
NC State has been unlucky
A large percentage of State's turnovers have been returned for touchdowns or long returns. That is a bit unlucky. Keep that in mind. Their defense is not as bad as the 50 BC put up or the 49 duke put on them. Part of that was ridiculous turnovers.
Bye Week
NCST off of a bye week has been great under O'Brien.
Pace
This is big. Both teams could slow the pace and look to protect their defenses. The Over/Under for this game is the highest in recorded FSU history (64). But this game could be lower scoring than some are predicting if the teams try to hold the ball. That's not to say the offenses won't dominate- they will, but the total number of play could be reduced.
Prediction
lt's go time. I do think that the teams might run the ball a bit more than usual (wise to do). That'll result in a reduced number of plays. How about 65 per side. NC State gains 500 yards. FSU gains 540. A nice return play by Greg Reid will help the 'Noles to pull this one out, 38-34. That might be a shock to some of you, but this team is off a bye, FSU's defense is truly one of the worst in the entire country, and NC State's offense matches up perfectly. In the end, Ponder will abuse State's linebackers with passes over the middle, and pick apart the zone.
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Thanks for the comprehensive preview as always...
Not sure how I feel about FSU at home… with rain possible…. hmmm
44-23 FSU
I think NC State moves the ball well, but fails to cash it in and give up some big plays to the defense and specials teams.
by coonhound on Oct 30, 2009 3:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
So we've got
A zone read, big play, trips heavy, mobile QB offense that throws to their tight end. Is there a worse combination for our defense that isn’t named UF? That said, I do think both teams will try to slow the pace a little, leading to a lower score than many think (and people will blame Jimbo for not scoring 50). I’ll say we win 31-30 because it’s a flat-out toss-up, and I’ll post an optimistic score for a change.
>>---l>
by DKfromVA on Oct 30, 2009 3:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't worry so much about the zone read
It does look like a zone read, but I’m not sure it is. Wilson hands it off the RB every single time.
by Akula Wolf on Oct 30, 2009 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
CFB question
Can CBs jam WRs at the LOS?
by ricobert1 on Oct 30, 2009 3:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If so,
Sell out and run the 4-4, leave a safety deep, jam the WRs, and send at least 5 guys every play.
by ricobert1 on Oct 30, 2009 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's essentially what we do
hasn’t worked yet
by sperrett on Oct 30, 2009 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
FSUn is spot on
With the predicted score. I heard an ‘expert’ predict 54-41 (FSU wins) which i think is just a bit ridiculous. A score in the 30’s is right on. I feel it’s a toss up as to the winner though.
by NCAROLINANOLE on Oct 30, 2009 3:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Welcome! Thanks for posting
And I agree, FWIW
>>---l>
by DKfromVA on Oct 30, 2009 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks!
I’ve been ‘lurking’ since before the spring game, and i finally decided to throw in my .02. I’ve got a good friend that’s an NCSU grad and neither of us are very confident about this game.
by NCAROLINANOLE on Oct 30, 2009 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But...
if neither team really tries to slow the pace, It could EASILY be something like 41-38 or 45-41
by FSUncensored on Oct 30, 2009 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If
CP7 keeps throwing 98 yd bombs, then the score could indeed be a bit higher :-)
by NCAROLINANOLE on Oct 30, 2009 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
FSU with the win.
45-42
I just don’t see our defense making a normal stop on downs but predict one or two turnovers by NCST. I think our offense starts a little slow while figuring out what works for them but once it gets going it will be long sustained drives after that. I see NCST scoring at will when they are doing the right things but I feel a turnover will cost them the chance to win the game.
by diablonole on Oct 30, 2009 3:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It think Mincey makes a bigger difference than we realize
Our discipline is still terrible, but he is a considerable upgrade at an important position.
by Zach_Nole on Oct 30, 2009 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Our DT play hasn't been what's killing us
It’s our DEs who can neither contain nor get to the QB.
by ricobert1 on Oct 30, 2009 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't call him a considerable upgrade
I do think if he’s healthy he’s our best DT right now. Unfortunately, that’s not saying much. He’s in the Watson/PRob mold of a pretty nice athlete, but simply not a good football player. No real football instincts, poor technique, and, most importantly, doesn’t bring it every third play, much less every play. Of course, a big part of that deficit for all 3 is no coaching. He is another body out there so we’re not so tired in the 4th but, other than that, I’m not expecting much upgrade in overall play of the D.
by sperrett on Oct 30, 2009 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't like making predictions on this years team but
I’ll say FSU 41 NCSU 31. I think both teams will basically move the ball at will, but our so called d will make one more stop than theirs will.
by fsunole23 on Oct 30, 2009 3:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
At least we are not as bad as Stanford
Ok maybe we are worse. If you can beleive it O-rank of 4 and D-rank of 104 isn’t the widest gap among teams these year.
Stanford has the #3 offense in the country with the #106 ranked defense. Im sure that will change with their next 4 games being Oregon, USC, Cal and Notre Dame.
CP7, Please do not go Pro
by RaysnNoles on Oct 30, 2009 4:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I noticed that. We are the only 2 teams of 100+ though
And yes, Betting over in Stanford games is great
by FSUncensored on Oct 30, 2009 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did you see my email?
CP7, Please do not go Pro
by RaysnNoles on Oct 30, 2009 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Call me a homer
But I refuse to believe the defense doesn’t have a good game in them. They’ve just been so bad this year but we’ve got so many athletes out there I gotta believe that one game thinks are just going to line up and they’re going to play decently.
Maybe it won’t be this game, maybe it won’t happen at all, but I’m just saying don’t get too caught up in numbers.
I don’t think we hit the over on this game.
by pbysh on Oct 30, 2009 5:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
But Everett Brown was not covered well in that game and he has shown a track record of being a good pass rusher.
No one on the team is even near that capability.
"I'm falling apart, I'm barely breathing, With a broken heart thats still beating, In the pain is the healing, in Your Name I find meaning, So I'm holdin' on.. holdin' on to you."
by FSUvaFan on Oct 31, 2009 7:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
blocked well, and had.
"I'm falling apart, I'm barely breathing, With a broken heart thats still beating, In the pain is the healing, in Your Name I find meaning, So I'm holdin' on.. holdin' on to you."
by FSUvaFan on Oct 31, 2009 7:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
athletes don't turn into football players midseason
And we simply don’t have the athletes most of us think we do on that side of the ball. Greg Reid is the only top 10 caliber football player on D. McDaniel & Bradham might get there if they get some coaching. See my comment on Mincy, PRob & Watson above. Other than that I don’t see anything else right now. Now, there may be some Frosh/Sophs who could emerge w/ coaching but I don’t see that happening this year. As the good gentlemen that run this site have repeatedly pointed out, our D is truly bad and that won’t change until new coaches.
by sperrett on Oct 30, 2009 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not calling for top 10, but even a top 50 performance I'll take right now
And the athletes we have are perfectly capable of turning in one of those.
by pbysh on Oct 31, 2009 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We already had our above average defensive performance....
BYU. We’d be lucky to get another game with so many breaks going our way.
by FSU PHD on Oct 30, 2009 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And even BYU... they had their highest yards per game total of the game.
by FSUncensored on Oct 30, 2009 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That game wasn't an above average performance.
I was in the stands thinking if Mickey decided to hang out in the locker room and not return for the second half, that would be totally understandable.
by The K-Man on Oct 30, 2009 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like the under in this game as well...
My experience is that when teams hear all about a shootout in the week before a game, it tightens up the offenses — they start saying “Man, we’ve got to score 40 to win” then they start pressing. I’m not saying it’s going to be defensive struggle by any stretch, but I wouldn’t be shocked to see a 28-24 type game, because of turnovers/penalties/missed chances.
by Fsued on Oct 30, 2009 5:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Prediction #1
We pul out a win 34-28 and I am in a good enough mood to take my nephews trick or treating.
Prediction #2
We lose a shootout and I am depressed. I spend the rest of the day getting hammered and I yell at all of the children when they start ringing my doorbell.
Jimbo 2010
by NCNole99 on Oct 30, 2009 5:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm thinking FSU football might determine a little too much of your happiness
365 days, until I change my ways.
by SWFLNole. on Oct 30, 2009 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"FSU likes to throw to their tight end a lot. He's George Bryan. "
Shouldn’t that be NCState?
by StM on Oct 30, 2009 6:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yes, sorry.
Wrote this really quickly.
by FSUncensored on Oct 30, 2009 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have been pleasantly surprised with our special teams
Considering we were replacing the punter, kicker, and top return man I expected things to be worse. While our coverage teams have had some hiccups, they really haven’t been too bad.
Maybe the defense is so bad that no other one facet of the game can look bad, but I’ve been pleased with special teams.
by 38Noles on Oct 30, 2009 8:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Factored into this is returns on turnovers, I forgot to mention that.
by FSUncensored on Oct 30, 2009 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rich Rod video
Would you mind telling me where you got that video on the zone read?
by fsucj2431 on Oct 30, 2009 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was posted on smartfootball.com a while back
365 days, until I change my ways.
by SWFLNole. on Oct 30, 2009 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Obviously, I hope I'm wrong, but...
Ponder has to have at least one human-level game instead of being Superman every week. I don’t know that this is the week, more likely next week against an elite Clemson defense. I only bring this up because members of TN know when it happens, we get blown out, then every moronic cheesedick under the sun comes out and says that Jimbo sucks and our current situation is all his fault. I don’t know if I’m more pissed about being 3 – 4 or about the minimal credit that our Offensive Staff receives for the miraculous job they are doing on and off the field. People, and I was guilty of this after the USF game, nit-pick on things like our red zone problems or clock management issues, not seeing the big picture that we have the 4th best Offense in the country. The old “Forrest through the trees” adage. I’m even hearing now that Jimbo lucked into Ponder (remember all the Ponder sucks talk last year?), where I know TN realizes they both lucked into one another – Ponder, playing for FSU, would be average at best without Jimbo’s tuteledge, and Jimbo could not have imagined that he would have a kid with the physical tools, mental capabilities, and heart that Ponder has sitting as a 3rd team RS Freshman when he got here. He did recognize it quick, though, as we all remember that he said Ponder could be the best QB he’s ever coached. People thought it was coach speak at the time, but that has not turned out to be the case, has it? So, when that day comes that Ponder plays closer to an ordinary guy, get ready to put the gloves on.
by HROB3 on Oct 30, 2009 10:04 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
I’m also living in fear of the game where Ponder comes back to earth. As FSU fans, I think we all know it is coming.
by 38Noles on Oct 30, 2009 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes. As Bud says, fumbles are more random than interceptions, but a pass is eventually gonna fall into the wrong hands one of these weeks.
We seriously banking on our quarterback never throwing picks in order to win football games. Bad D.
by The K-Man on Oct 31, 2009 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1 GOOD COACHING FOR THE LOVE OF PETE!!!!!!!!!!!!! PAINFUL!!!
Example of good coaching: coach searches the team for the talent at hand, evaluates, picks out those who he beleives is best, teaches and develops them with the funamentals of the game plus any specific characteristics the coach carries, and we have a ponder, a great Oline, an Easterling, a JT….
Suprise anyone that these people were not 5*s not all 4*’s?
"I'm falling apart, I'm barely breathing, With a broken heart thats still beating, In the pain is the healing, in Your Name I find meaning, So I'm holdin' on.. holdin' on to you."
by FSUvaFan on Oct 31, 2009 7:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It has to, and that’s no knock on him. It’s damn near impossible to go an entire season without having one bad – average game. That’s what makes it so damn impressive that he has not had that ordinary game yet when taking into consideration the Defenses he has played and the pressure our Defense puts on him every week. Manning and Brady can’t even do that. I just never imagined as an FSU fan that if we had our Offense/QB play average that our Defense would get us blown out of the stadium no matter who the opponent is. Insane. And poor Mickey. I felt awful when I read that article on nolesports about him getting up at 2 in the morning trying to figure out modern offensive football. He tries so hard, but his old ass just doesn’t get it. The analogy is your Grandpa trying to figure out a computer or a universal remote for several components – it can’t be done. If you have any heart in your chest at all, you have to feel for the guy. It doesn’t make me scream at the TV less or drink fever shots during the games, but I still feel terrible for him.
by HROB3 on Oct 30, 2009 10:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The line wasn't giving him much time that game though
And he was beat up from BYU so he couldn’t scramble.
Plus, all the turnovers that game were fumbles. He could have still won the game.
by pbysh on Oct 31, 2009 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, waht Im saying is that USF was his regular/bad game if you wish to call it that.
I expect him to be a rockstar the rest of the way through
by Miaminole on Nov 1, 2009 8:32 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Dude...
PASSING Cmp-Att-Int Yds TD Long Sack
Christian Ponder 25-37-0 269 0 29 5
Completing 68% of your passes for 270 yards and no INT’s under extreme duress with a bum knee when you rely heavily on your mobility is an average/ordinary day?
I would say your standards seem a little high.
by HROB3 on Oct 31, 2009 8:48 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Now that we know that there will likely be rain in this game
I’m thinking that the score will be a bit lower, like 10-14 points lower for each team.
I see a game in the mid-high 20s rather than mid-high 30s due to the poor weather.
by RishiM on Oct 31, 2009 9:09 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
FSU 41- NCST 24
>-----:----:------>Spear 'em then Scalp 'em
by FrankDNole on Oct 31, 2009 10:21 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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