Florida State's Offense Again Bails out Horrible Defense to Salvage Awful Homecoming Game over 'Pack, 45-42
by Bud Elliott on Oct 31, 2009 4:58 PM EDT
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It started with audible booing of Bobby Bowden at the homecoming pep rally. It continued as FSU fans nervously chuckled when Bowden obviously didn't know the names of FSU's captains. And it didn't end until the final play of the contest as FSU pulled out a 45-42 in what was otherwise an awful homecoming for Florida State. The announced crowd was much more (67,172), but to anyone watching on television, it was obvious that there were more than 25,000 empty seats. That's right, Bobby Bowden drew 50,000 people to his last homecoming game.
A few fans held out hope that the defense would show up, but that hope had to be half hearted at best. As it has in every game this season, FSU's defense again allowed an opponent to post season highs in points, yards, or yards per play. Florida State allowed the Wolf Pack to reach their season high in all three categories! Yes, State's 42 points, 538 yards, and 7.9 yards per play (absurd) were all season highs for N.C. State. But that is par for the course for Florida State's 104th ranked defense (which is sure to drop even further). Florida State allowed touchdown drives of 80, 76, 80, 74, 80, and 38 yards. 'Pack Quarterback Russell Wilson was 20-31 for 349 yards, 5 Touchdowns and 2 Interceptions (both on end of half Hail Marys). That's an amazing 11.4 yards per throw. Florida State's defense did not force a meaningful turnover. Luckily for Florida State fans, they have at most 5 more games of this embarrassing "defense." And that is only if FSU makes a bowl game. FSU's defense isn't the worst in the country (Western Kentucky, a new D-1 team, is decidedly worse), but the 'Noles are close. Fortunately, the offense is not coached by a senior citizen more concerned with taking care of his grandkids than coaching the defense after the tragic death of his son two years ago. The offense is not coached by those who head Bowden has stubbornly insisted on keeping around like the incompetent saboteur linebacker coach Chuck Amato or inept defensive ends coach Jodey Allen. No, Florida State fans know that those coaches will be gone next year and the talented defense will have not continue to have the worst defensive coaching staff in the country.
In fact, if they look to the offensive side of the ball, they would see offensive coaches who work hard. Offensive coaches who are on top of the game, keeping up with an ever-changing industry. They demand more from their players, and those players trust them enough to give more. And that combination of talented players trusting hard working innovative coaches is working miracles. Jimbo Fisher and his offensive staff are single-handedly saving Florida State's program. Despite Bowden's every effort (or lack thereof) to cripple the program he supposedly loves, Fisher and Co. just will not let it die.
And so it was that Florida State's 4th rated offense would again have to bail out their 104th rated defense who was busy allowing the 'Pack's 26th rated offense to have its best day of the year. N.C. State's 52nd rated defense. And the 'Noles offense once again proved that they are one of the finest units in the country. 45 points, 555 yards, 7.6yards per play. The 'Noles were incredibly balanced, running for 267 yards and throwing for 268. FSU turned the ball over only once (they did throw 2 interceptions on tipped passes, but alert wide receiver Jarmon Fortson made up for a drop by stripping and recovering one of the interceptions).
And because Florida State's defense forced no turnovers except on desperation throws at the end of each half, FSU had to earn each touchdown. They did not start a possession in Wolfpack Territory. Florida State marched for scoring drives of 98, 68, 70, 60, 64, 55, and 66 yards. That's right, 7 scoring drives of 55+ yards. And Florida State controlled the clock with their balanced attack, rushing 33 times for 8.4 yards per carry. Sophomore Tailback Jermaine Thomas rushed 20 times for 186 yards and 2 scores. Florida State's offensive line was sensational in run blocking. They allowed only one tackle for loss. One! Their work blocking linebackers and defensive backs in space was sensational.
Quarterback Christian Ponder was injured early in the game but fought through his rib and ankle ailments to lead Florida State to victory. He was 26-40 for 277 yards, with 1 TD and 2 interceptions (both of which occurred on tipped passes on which an offensive lineman missed a block). He didn't throw any dangerous passes into traffic and also suffered 4 drops. Ponder ran or threw for 18 1st downs and added a passing touchdown, all while hobbling around.
FSU's offense simply had the answer all day. For every 80-yard touchdown pass the defense gave up, for every lost look and shouting match on the sideline between the defensive coaches and the players who have simply tuned them out, there were just as many quality plays from an offense that is working together as a machine because everyone does their job and trusts one another to do their job as well. That's a credit to the coaches who care about Florida State because they know they will be around next season. Florida State fans have to like what they see from Fisher, who is well on his way to winning his 2nd consecutive ACC Offensive Coordinator of the year award. It's just sad that the lame duck bunch doesn't have enough integrity to work at the same level. Sad, but not surprising, and nobody should go into any remaining Florida State game thinking that the Seminole's defense will do anything but allow the opposing offense to post their best game of the season.
But the 'Noles do have possibly the nation's best offense, and considering that offense features only 1 senior starter, and knowing that a new group of defensive coaches will soon be there to take advantage of FSU's still considerable defensive talent, here's betting that Doak Campbell Stadium will be full next year for Fisher's first homecoming as head coach.
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Nice review!
Was anyone else disappointed with Ponder’s performance, just from a pure statistical perspective?
I feel like he was starting to get some recognition but now the fools will the votes and media voice will only see the stats? (i.e. seeing 2 INTs not realizing how they happened)
This is not to say that his stats are not amazing on the year as a whole.
"Fifty percent of the teams in country got beat last week" -BB
Florida State Football will never accept falling in the bottom half
It's crazy
QB rating of 121, which isn’t anything to write home about, but he did run or throw for 18 1st downs.
pretty impressive
I just think the only way for him to get national respect (which I thought he was on the verge of getting) is purely from commonly quoted statistics, which is garbage and I wouldn’t trade him for any QB, but I just wish he got better “commonly quoted QB stats” (rating, TD:INT) though his yards were good.
I just felt like there was some statistical momentum, and he was on the verge of getting some national respect
"Fifty percent of the teams in country got beat last week" -BB
Florida State Football will never accept falling in the bottom half
Uncensored a couple questions.
Are all of the defensive problems we are having due to bad a scheme/coaching, or does some of the blame fall on the players? I think it is at least 80 percent coaching/scheme because I know we have some talent on that side of the ball.
Why is MA so stubborn?
I mean he has to see his stupid cover 1 man isn’t working anymore, so why does he not change something?
Dude his son blew his head off in the back yard
He is passionate but the work isn’t there. He simply spends too much time with his family.
Which is where he should be, but he should have left 2 years ago...
"If lessons were learned in defeat, our team is getting a great education." -Murray Warmath
Enter Chuck Amato as DC in 2008.
This was a “choose your own adventure” horror book.
by The K-Man on Oct 31, 2009 7:49 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
Too much time with family?
I’m prob. being picky with words, but I would not say Too much time with family as regardless of professon one can never spend too much time with family. In a situation like that you have to have good assistance to pick up that extra slack and help out the DC. This is something that is not there.
Yeah, picky with word choice
He means too much time not on the job, which in his case is spent with family. The coaches who can keep up in today’s game are guys like Coley who work 6am to 2am. Mickey just isn’t there, and we all understand why.
>>---l>
No, you can
I want to be careful how I say this, but
Bowden and his coaching tree are too Christian. Or rather, they are not football. It’s been hush-hush and nobody in the media will touch this, but ask those around programs, they’ll tell you there is entirely too much focus on non-football stuff. Leads to a lack of discipline, etc.
hence Watsons comments
about Bowden coaching them to heaven?
True True
Overall I agree with you for the most part when you say it the way you did in your second post. Again i’m prob being picky with words, don’t mean any disrespect or harm. On a side note I have been laughing all year with people thinking the FSU to UNA pipeline is something new, My dad actually did that in the late 70s, started off at FSU then transfered to UNA, plus there is a great coaching network between the schools before Bowden got to UNA, if I get a chance I will write an article on it for everyone!
to each his own
But you don’t choose church over recruiting visits and win nowadays. Things have changed.
by The K-Man on Oct 31, 2009 7:50 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
-Their was no “audible” booing of Bowden at the Pow Wow.
-Christian Ponder had an average day. If it was not for Bert Reed and Rod Owens he would of thrown two more picks. I still think CP is great but he overthrow the ball more today than the rest of the season combined.
-The receivers had an excellent day and they deserve some accolades.
At some point we have to accept this team for what it is, good offense and a terrible defense. Enjoy the roller coaster ride and come what may.
-Their was no "audible" booing of Bowden at the Pow Wow.
Wrong. Flat wrong.
-Christian Ponder had an average day. If it was not for Bert Reed and Rod Owens he would of thrown two more picks. I still think CP is great but he overthrow the ball more today than the rest of the season combined.
On which two throws would he have had picks?
-The receivers had an excellent day and they deserve some accolades.
They had 4 drops. 10% of throws were drops.
And this offense is a lot better than good. It is great.
Rod Owens swatted one out of the receivers hand and bert reed managed to deflect the ball just enough in the first quarter to prevent it from sailing to an NC State defender.
Did you see any of the receivers blocking or the Fortson strip. A lot of those sweep plays were working today due to WR blocking.
I am not critiquing anything you wrote. What I mean is in general fans should appreciate the effort the WR have take to improve their overall game.
Oh absolutely. I thought they played spectacularly against UNC
Dawsey has a good chance to stay I’d imagine.
FSUn....
I don’t have any problem with your writing, but why do you flip out whenever someone disagrees with you? There were obviously more ponder passes that could have been picked unless you were watching a different game…
I didn't mean to flip out
I guess we have a lot of people who are very uninformed and sometimes I mix people up. Should have considered the argument better. Though I really didn’t see a lot of passes that should have been picked…
by Bud Elliott on Nov 1, 2009 2:53 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
i was on the floor
i didn’t hear any audible booing.
but if there was i’m happy about it. im sick of having to glare at this girl i’m friends with everytime she tries to start a bobby bowden chant.
he's used to DeCody Fagg and Greg Carr type attempts to prevent picks.
Our receivers actually try now and lay it on the line for each other.
by The K-Man on Oct 31, 2009 5:51 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
If you think ...
…. 555 yards and 45 points is just “good” I’d be intersted in what our offense would have to do to be “great.”
Balls are purposely thrown high to ensure LB's and Lineman don't tip and intercept them
This is why receivers have to have range and ball skills. The same could have been said about passes by Ponder last week.
great point. Good example is Reed’s catch over the middle on the high ball for the critical first down against UNC. Reed made a great catch and laid his body on the line, but that was also the only place CP could put that and get a completion. Top line QBs always have good receivers making plays for them. Whether a great catch or “pass defense” when the play isn’t there. The 2 go hand in hand. Receivers are getting better.
Thanks sperrett
that’s exactly the play I had in mind. (Reed against UNC)
I'd like to hear more ....
… about the booing and forgetting the captains’ names. Was at soccer all day and missed that.
Yes
Multiple texts from those there.
Crowd started cheering and then they had to really step it up to drown out those who were booing. It was a noticeable re-adjustment in noise level.
There was booing...
I heard it before Chiefs did our “OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO” thing with the hand in the air to welcome Bowden. And Gene had to step up and help Bobby with the names of the captains. Did Gene seem a little … loose … to anyone else.
"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."
"But How will I know limits from lies, if I never try."
by geoffissiffoeg on Oct 31, 2009 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah...
I posted thst before reading everything
"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."
"But How will I know limits from lies, if I never try."
by geoffissiffoeg on Oct 31, 2009 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions
gene drunk is a good thing though
was pretty funy
Gene is almost as bad as Bowden. It’s obviously very secondary to our problems on the field but we need to clean house in that broadcast booth too.
I love me some Gene too!
If he’s drunk, it’s because of all the crap he has to swallow to stay employed. But he’s a fantastic radio announcer.
http://s825.photobucket.com/albums/zz178/unclefestus/
When you are right, Uncensored, you are right
You nailed the game prediction in your preview in pretty much every aspect. Somehow, the Noles are still alive in the division (although they need to win at Clemson and hope BC loses twice).
"Your eyes can decieve you. Don't trust them." Obi-Wan Kenobi, the first sabermetrician...
missed the NCSU yards per play by .2 yards.
And boom goes the dynamite.
by The K-Man on Oct 31, 2009 5:52 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
In their highlights discussion, the ABC anchors said this was the smallest crowd at Doak since 1993.
didnt you call this one weeks ago.
i think the announced crowd includes people who left when it started raining during pregame, box seats, probably all vendors cameramen and police officers.
i dont care what the announced crowd was. they could announce the crowd at 85,000. all i know is not one section was full and the entire southside was empty. The visitor section was like a little red island in a sea of empty bleachers.
im pretty sure you said in one comment you could see 55k happening
it sure looked like 55k today.
yes, and there were plent of empty seat shots...
The timing of this game and Halloween certainly didn’t help, but if we were winning we would have gotten a better slot.
this game should have started no earlier than 2:00
I hate noon games. I got home around 4 last night, went to sleep at 4:40, woke up at 9:00 to get ready for the game so i could get my usual seats.
i had a dr pepper, 2 energy drinks, and 2 cheese danishes just to stay awake.
pretty much had a sugar induced seizure.
Woah. Safe to assume you made a dookie at Doak today.
by The K-Man on Oct 31, 2009 7:56 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
nah
i have a thing about using stadium restrooms.
the cirtus bowl ruined it for me.
citrus*
lack of sleep really ruins spelling.
i had a dr pepper, 2 energy drinks, and 2 cheese danishes just to stay awake.
haha! Now THAT is a hangover cure. My bowels quaked just reading that!
http://s825.photobucket.com/albums/zz178/unclefestus/
I would also like to hear about the booing, haven't seen it mentioned anywhere else
by Jonathan Loesche on Oct 31, 2009 5:26 PM EDT reply actions
So what you're saying...
Is that we won this for Bobby, right??
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=)
"If lessons were learned in defeat, our team is getting a great education." -Murray Warmath
Bowden's coaches led them to victory! Ya know,
especially the one where we’re all concerned about having to buy out because bowden wants stays too long…
"I'm falling apart, I'm barely breathing, With a broken heart thats still beating, In the pain is the healing, in Your Name I find meaning, So I'm holdin' on.. holdin' on to you."
Ponder was due for a bad day, if you can call it that.
If you insist on calling it a bad day. I’ll take that QB any day.
yeah, ponder had a bad day
because his play level is usually so high. im used to 400 total yards from him.
i dont care if he throws 5 ints in a game if none of them hurt us.
(well i do but you get what i’m saying)
I’m going to be an optimist today
I think the defense actually forced a punt today, there were a couple of sacks, and their quarterback didn’t really run all over us as I thought he might. BB’s probably thinking that has to count for something!
Continuing on the positive note, there really are some good players on the defense and Kirby Smart (that’s who I’m rooting for) is going to make a huge difference both on the field and in recruiting next year.
Maybe we should dedicate a section for a C.J. Spiller over/under total yards against this defense instead of trying to do any analysis of our defense this coming week.
Winning is still more fun than losing.
Foosball is the devil
im thinking 330 yards
offense + kick returns combined.
The Heisman
We could be the launching pad for Spiller’s Heisman chances is ABC picks up the game, and I think he’ll get somewhere in the low 300s too. Of course everyone looks like a Heisman candidate against our defense.
Foosball is the devil
+1
NCAA record for rushing yards in single game is 406, got I hope that record holds
"Fifty percent of the teams in country got beat last week" -BB
Florida State Football will never accept falling in the bottom half
by a single player*
"Fifty percent of the teams in country got beat last week" -BB
Florida State Football will never accept falling in the bottom half
EveryONE looks like Heisman candidate against us ....?
……mmmmm, yeah FOR SURE!!!
Our supposed best players on ‘D’ can not tackle or make necessary plays when needed, for game saving; changing; winning to occur.
I'm pretty sure Ponder's ribs were effecting his throws most the game.
Too bad our QB can’t throw for 375 yds and 5 TD’s every game:(
CP7 is just a stud pure and simple.
he was definitely hurt the whole game
it was clearly noticible
You would think with all his spare time, he could write a list and spend an hour memorizing it
Seriously, if he cant do that much, how could he being a single thing that is coaching related. I know schemes and anything success related in football is harder to do than memorizing a list of names. that is a skill developed as soon as you learn how to freaking write.
gene said:
“bobby why dont you introduce your captains”
bobby responded “hey captains come out here”
If I was dressed like Captain Morgan or Jack Sparrow I would've ran out there.
All-inclusive term.
by The K-Man on Oct 31, 2009 6:01 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Captain Planet
Well, gosh, it's a weight off of everybody. I think everybody that is an FSU fan or a coach or a player, this takes a weight off the shoulder. But what does that mean? Seven more days of peace?
please hire somebody who gives a s### to run the pre-game debacle.
Paul Piurowski was being honored as Osceola charged towards midfield to plant the spear.Terrible coordination, no timing. Embarrassing for everyone and a disgrace to Paul.
No energy or coordination to fire up the few fans there.
The asinine Bobblehead race extended into an actual play and the audio wasn’t cut. Embarrassing.
by The K-Man on Oct 31, 2009 5:58 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I was about to go berzerk in the student section with all the idiots holding up 1, 2 and 3 while ignoring the reception. Plus whoever operates the scoreboard should be let go for whoever control the baseball scoreboard. When I go to games at Howser the scoreboard is adjusted the second after the play with no mistakes.
most students
thought they called a tv timeout or something.
i was floored when i happened to turn around and see our team lineup.
i hate that stupid bobblehead race with the fire of a thousand suns
by ArsonistSavior on Oct 31, 2009 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Last night at Pow Wow I texted Uncensored the following...
Bobby getting booed by about 10 percent of the crowd at pow wow.
Wow. Audible?
They had to cheer louder to cover it up.
Anyone who has issue with what Uncensored cited in the article has the issue with me and not with him.
I don’t want that part to detract from an excellent post game story.
At which point...
…he shook hands with the captains and Gene and introduced himself.
by Drew J Jones on Oct 31, 2009 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions
was it just me or did gene seem drunk?
IGNITED BY TRADITION!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Gene was drunk off his mind last night.
“Hey everybody… Jim Gaffigan is back stage!!”
So is Johnny Walker, Gene.
Side note, Gaffigan was awesome.
I lost it when he said …
Shoe jokes? Really? What’s next, a sock joke?
And then told like 5 sock jokes.
Gaffigan is money.
Ok one last Pow Wow comment...
They promised us fireworks when Bowden came out.
As he gets led out by Brittany… they shoot fireworks over the crowd’s head.
I felt threatened and decided not to boo. ;)
i was in the fourth row
fireworks aren’t fun when you’re that close.
going from dark to bright that quickly really screws with your eyes.
walking around screaming hot pockets
the whole thing seemed very high school.
i hate my fellow students though. always screaming stuff when someones performing onstage. Yeah we know jim gaffigan has the hot pocket joke. the whole things been played out enough
And Rich Brooks was funny too.
Very Gaffigan-esque in some of his jokes.
Saw the “kill all the gays” joke he opened with coming a mile away though.
I really need to go into stand up. I can’t be any worse than Carlos Mencia.
i feel bad for that guy
seemed like they told him “look no one cares about you so we’ll give you 4 minutes. throw out your dumb jokes and get off the stage”
alot about standup is setting a pace with the crowd. he never got to do that.
Yeah.. but he gets a lot of exposure as Gaffigan's opening act.
I’d never heard of him before but I’ll definitely be looking him up.
GAFFIGAN?!?
Oh man! I wish I would have seen that. He is absolutely hilarious. Have you seen his stand up specials?
Jermaine Thomas
Was this the healthy Thomas we were expecting or was this just a lining of the planets fluke performance.
I think this was Trickett coaching the backs
And NC State w/o their Senior MLB and Thomas running hard.
The U is back.
Back to getting spanked by Wake, apparently.
Um, I'm not concerned about opposing offenses anymore...
After GT, UNC, and today, I concede that we cannot stop them. They only stop themselves when they make mistakes on offense. So the question becomes can we put it into the endzone on almost every drive. Only Clemson and UF seem to be able to stop us from doing that. If our Oline can play the whole game next week like they did the 2nd half against UNC, I don’t think Clemson can either…
"If lessons were learned in defeat, our team is getting a great education." -Murray Warmath
I'm confident Clemson beats us
And absolutely sure that UF does. I’d say Wake has a pretty good shot too.
>>---l>
Leaving Wake to determine if we're bowl eligible
In that case, do we really want to be? I’ll go ahead and say it, I don’t.
>>---l>
Best-case fantasy scenario:
Become bowl eligible but get snubbed by everybody, even the McCormick Garlic Salt Bowl.
I can dream, can’t I?
by The K-Man on Oct 31, 2009 8:06 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
that would be funny
though with our offense i think the lesser bowls would be excited to get us.
Jermaine Thomas got hit hard and scored on a Weatherford-lead garbage time drive.
I think we missed the 2-point conversion.
by The K-Man on Oct 31, 2009 8:07 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Only 27 on Clemson?
Our offense is progressing every game. If we do lose, I’d expect it to be 42-38ish…
"If lessons were learned in defeat, our team is getting a great education." -Murray Warmath
We put up 24 in a half against UNC....
Jimbo’s own words in his Monday interview with Jeff Cameron is that we did more to stop ourselves in the 1st half than they did to stop us. Also, Bowers is hurt and probably will not play against us via HD’s ACC blog…
"If lessons were learned in defeat, our team is getting a great education." -Murray Warmath
Bowers out would help
But the defense is still very good. I don’t think we’ll be able to keep pace with what their offense will do. They’ll control the ball and score at will. I think they’ll get the few stops that they’ll need.
>>---l>
with this defense....
…Scoring 50 points is the new 35 points for our offense.
by The K-Man on Oct 31, 2009 8:08 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
with this defense....
…Scoring 50 points is the new 35 points for our offense.
by The K-Man on Oct 31, 2009 8:11 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
The only thing that bothers me at this point about thte UF game
is that we might win Tebow another Heisman. You know if he has a shot, Urban is going to do everything he can to eradicate us. Tebows last home game and what not.
Clemson is going to murder us
Those playmakers they have look good on good D’s, what does that say for our D? Then, as good as our O is, I just don’t see us moving up and down the field on that good of a D. I actually think FSUn’s 41 – 27 is conservative. But, then again, we do have such an amazing O from top to bottom that we could stay in any ball game. I know we’ve all said it 1,000 times, but how good this O is gets lost in how bad our D is.
We are so crazy good on offense
It gets to the point where you think there’s no way we can sustain the pace of 4th in the nation, and then what happens? Jimbo goes and puts up 550 and 45. Ridiculous.
>>---l>
I've been drinking, but
This is the same product every week. Amazing offense, bad defense. Us winning seems to be based purely on how good a team’s defense is and how bad their offense is. And in some cases, our O is so good it doesn’t matter.
44 points vs. GT and we don’t win?
averaging a hair under 40 points our last 3 games...
…And 2 failed Hail Mary plays away from going 0 and 3.
by The K-Man on Oct 31, 2009 8:14 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
That's not really fair, though
Our average margin of defeat in our 4 losses is by 6 points. We could be 8-0 with the opposite argument. The important point is we have a garbage defense.
Understood. My point is that we're scoring in the 30's and 40's and holding our breath til the last snap each game.
Garbage defense. I’m totally on board with that. It’s factual.
This is a football critique?
Fortunately, the offense is not coached by a senior citizen more concerned with taking care of his grandkids than coaching the defense after the tragic death of his son two years ago. The offense is not coached by those who head Bowden has stubbornly insisted on keeping around like the incompetent saboteur linebacker coach Chuck Amato or inept defensive ends coach Jodey Allen. No, Florida State fans know that those coaches will be gone next year and the talented defense will have not continue to have the worst defensive coaching staff in the country.
I won’t even wait around to be bashed… but really? how many times does the situation with Mickey have to be addressed? just assume those here know the friggin’ story. And then the crap I was reading about the “too Christian” slant the Bowden family has. HUH? I am by no means a holy roller, but I also do not make remarks about things like this. We are 8 games into a season where, since the USF game I guess, the defense has been a liability to say the least. There is alot of exaggeration here and it will be fun to see what the next 2 months bring. I just know that if the majority of FSU’s fanbase was what I see here, I think we are building up a good 10yrs of bad karma.
No, we shouldn't assume that everyone who reads the article knows Mickey's situation
Yes, we are bad fans and you are better than us, we know.
>>---l>
I won’t even wait around to be bashed… but really
Translation: “my arguments are baseless, I won’t watch you make me look foolish.”
how many times does the situation with Mickey have to be addressed? just assume those here know the friggin’ story.
No, many don’t. We continue to enlighten the masses.
And then the crap I was reading about the "too Christian" slant the Bowden family has. HUH? I am by no means a holy roller, but I also do not make remarks about things like this
Please address this using the reply feature to the specific comment in which it was said so that others won’t mistake what I said and take it out of context as you have done.
We are 8 games into a season where
Got something right. Bravo.
since the USF game I guess, the defense has been a liability to say the least.
No, the Defense has been horrible in every game. Again, you’re too dense or stubborn to consider the opponent I guess.
There is alot of exaggeration here and it will be fun to see what the next 2 months bring.
Where is the exaggeration?
I just know that if the majority of FSU’s fanbase was what I see here, I think we are building up a good 10yrs of bad karma.
Keep believing in karma. How about Bowden’s negative Karma? Any there? Or Chucks?
The problem is that you’re passionate enough to contribute but uninformed enough to look like a fool.
by Bud Elliott on Oct 31, 2009 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
a fool to this crowd... is a crown worth wearing
anybody that doesn’t just agree with this stuff is labeled a fool, uninformed, etc… It was fun to read the crap that was being said about Raycom’s announcers, but if they had of said anything that agreed with BOWDEN SHOULD GO… well, like Jim Smith, they would have a rise in their stock immediately.
This is sports and it allows extreme opinions and emotions and without many real consequences. These people you make remarks about have accomplished a great deal, is it not enough to just want change? I guess it makes for boring message boards without the attacks.
I guarantee you that only a handful of the empty seats can be attributed to this site. I guess the black shirt thing proved alot about the internet bravery vs real life action bravery.
We won. defense stunk. BTW; my comment about the defense was against Jax St. it was not the defense that was so bad (points wise) the offense was bad. BYU was such a surprise and really, the last 2 scores they had were when most felt FSU had the game in hand. USF was the game where the wheels fell off. There are all these references here to people blaming Jimbo… it must be on other sites, I have seen very few here. The only thing I ever wrote was in the Miami/USF/BC games it appeared that the offense choked when the pressure was on. The last 3 games have been nothing of the sort.
Karma… whether I believe in it or it was a throwaway line, it has been negativity galore on here since the first time I read a post. I have asked about a dozen times and have yet to be answered (hmmm… are they passionate enough to contribute but uninformed enough to look like a fool) At the end of last season everyone was talking about the probable defensive struggles we would have in 2009. WHAT HAPPENED to make everyone expect so much more? It is insane some of the things you see them do on defense, but again I will say… these guys are not in little league, they should be educated enough in the game to do basic defense. YOU GUARD SOMEBODY & KEEP THEM OUT OF THE ENDZONE. geez! I have never done or not done anything with the idea my coach or boss is responsible for my performance… must be a trait that kept me from playing at this high level.
enough… just wasting my time. I will take my public beating and wear my fool label for what it is worth… NOTHING
ummm
It was fun to read the crap that was being said about Raycom’s announcers, but if they had of said anything that agreed with BOWDEN SHOULD GO… well, like Jim Smith, they would have a rise in their stock immediately.
no, he would have still sounded like Leon from Curb Your Enthusiasm no matter what he was saying
by ArsonistSavior on Oct 31, 2009 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I guarantee you that only a handful of the empty seats can be attributed to this site. I guess the black shirt thing proved alot about the internet bravery vs real life action bravery.
We’ve never called for a boycott. Not sure where you are getting that from.
We won. defense stunk. BTW; my comment about the defense was against Jax St. it was not the defense that was so bad (points wise) the offense was bad. BYU was such a surprise and really, the last 2 scores they had were when most felt FSU had the game in hand. USF was the game where the wheels fell off. There are all these references here to people blaming Jimbo… it must be on other sites, I have seen very few here. The only thing I ever wrote was in the Miami/USF/BC games it appeared that the offense choked when the pressure was on. The last 3 games have been nothing of the sort.
The offense choking? Sorry, but the offense moved and scored on Miami the whole game. It was one of the best games anyone has had against Miami. But Miami had their best offensive game of the year by far. Hmmm…
Karma… whether I believe in it or it was a throwaway line, it has been negativity galore on here since the first time I read a post. I have asked about a dozen times and have yet to be answered (hmmm… are they passionate enough to contribute but uninformed enough to look like a fool) At the end of last season everyone was talking about the probable defensive struggles we would have in 2009. WHAT HAPPENED to make everyone expect so much more? It is insane some of the things you see them do on defense, but again I will say… these guys are not in little league, they should be educated enough in the game to do basic defense. YOU GUARD SOMEBODY & KEEP THEM OUT OF THE ENDZONE. geez! I have never done or not done anything with the idea my coach or boss is responsible for my performance… must be a trait that kept me from playing at this high level.
enough… just wasting my time. I will take my public beating and wear my fool label for what it is worth… NOTHING
You don’t understand the concept of team defense. This is 100% on the coaches. This year’s defense is more talented than last year’s, but last year’s had huge holes as well. It was only occasionally that teams were dumb enough not to double-team Everette brown. The problem is 100% coaching.
This is sports and it allows extreme opinions and emotions and without many real consequences. These people you make remarks about have accomplished a great deal, is it not enough to just want change? I guess it makes for boring message boards without the attacks.
Nope, we will continue to point out what they have done to kill this program until they are removed. And these are not attacks. They are facts. If they are not factual, our parent company would surely have been sued.
Karma… whether I believe in it or it was a throwaway line, it has been negativity galore on here since the first time I read a post. I have asked about a dozen times and have yet to be answered (hmmm… are they passionate enough to contribute but uninformed enough to look like a fool) At the end of last season everyone was talking about the probable defensive struggles we would have in 2009. WHAT HAPPENED to make everyone expect so much more? It is insane some of the things you see them do on defense, but again I will say… these guys are not in little league, they should be educated enough in the game to do basic defense. YOU GUARD SOMEBODY & KEEP THEM OUT OF THE ENDZONE. geez! I have never done or not done anything with the idea my coach or boss is responsible for my performance… must be a trait that kept me from playing at this high level.
enough… just wasting my time. I will take my public beating and wear my fool label for what it is worth… NOTHING
Let me get this straight, you think we fought over some of the best recruits in the country, with some of the best schools in the country . . . and when they got here they just happened to have everyone fooled?? So we just happened to get all the duds and schools like Alabama (great defense), Tennessee (great defense), UF (great defense) got the studs? Nothing to do with coaching I presume? If you watch, you’ll see that from the front back, our defense is just LOST. They can’t shed blocks, they take terrible angles and are ill-prepared.
You would've been posting long messages calling this site negative if they predicted a 4 and 4 start to the season.
And what does “real life bravery” mean? Bravery to pick something out of the wardrobe and place it on your body?
You want to talk about fan karma
look at fireronzook.com
They had the ability to see what was happening to their program and they took a stand. However many years later, the writers left as promised once he was fired, and all that “karma” repaid them with Urban Meyer and Tim Tebow. Now while I agree, rooting for them is bad luck, the results dont seem to agree.
When you factor that this site is unabashedly PRO FSU (read: Not pro any person since we dont agree one man IS the program). This site looks at the objective.
I will admit there was a time when I doubted the need to continually poke at certain things. Then you realize things. As you said, you dont think many of the empty seats were bc of this site. Lets say you are right, lets assume that a few more that were at the game and many more watching from home decided to find some FSU online coverage. Every week is a new set of eyes. They need to be informed. So by using your statement (not many people are aware of what you are saying) to explain to you exactly why he has to harp week after week. You need to learn how to connect the dots. Its called critical thinking.
My critique of your rebuttal
I think Bingo would have been better than bravo. I just need more bingo.
Exaggeration?
We gave up 540 yards of offense today. Two weeks ago we scored 44 points and lost. Each game is addressed individually. When we play a game and DON’T allow the opposing offense to register a season high in one of the 3 most important offensive categories, I’m sure FSUncensored’s analysis will reflect that.
UF runs a box heavy defense
We can bubble them big time
They have the size at CB to take on our WR blockers, and the speed to negate the yac on bubble screens...
Did anyone see the bubble screen where Reed (I think) got mad at Easterling for not holding the block?
"If lessons were learned in defeat, our team is getting a great education." -Murray Warmath
if we had some better wr blocking
we had 3 or 4 plays that could have gone the distance if wrs could hold a block
Missing Surrency out there for those....
I’m shocked they didn’t put in big WR like Smith. Is he redshirting this year?
"If lessons were learned in defeat, our team is getting a great education." -Murray Warmath
i paid closer attention to the WR blocking today.
Unfortunately, it looks like 8, 86, and maybe 83 don’t have the upside to be Preston-level blockers.
Jarmon needs to refine his technique, but he pwns cornerbacks sometimes.
by The K-Man on Oct 31, 2009 8:21 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
i paid closer attention to the WR blocking today.
Unfortunately, it looks like 8, 86, and maybe 83 don’t have the upside to be Preston-level blockers.
Jarmon needs to refine his technique, but he pwns cornerbacks sometimes.
by The K-Man on Oct 31, 2009 8:21 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
i paid closer attention to the WR blocking today.
Unfortunately, it looks like 8, 86, and maybe 83 don’t have the upside to be Preston-level blockers.
Jarmon needs to refine his technique, but he pwns cornerbacks sometimes.
Purely hypothetical, but if Preston Parker got it together he would’ve elevated this offense from elite to historic.
by The K-Man on Oct 31, 2009 8:22 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Not sure which one to reply to
Forston get penalized to ofren while blocking. He also got put on his butt on one of the screen plays. On a side note, I saw several plays where he just jogged a few steps of his route if the play was going to the other side. I expect better effort and blocking from our biggest reciever
OH YEAAHH!
by TBfisherman on Oct 31, 2009 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, but he has the potential. I saw a play where he drove his dude 10 yards and out of bounds.
The others mentioned aren’t capable of that. As it’s been noted by coaches and writers extensively, J-Man needs consistent focus throughout games.
I'd expect Haulstead and Smith to be skilled blockers
in their time at FSU. I’d imagine they have the physical capability, so next year overall we may see some improvement
Seems like our offense was mistake prone, but luckily our defense was able to do enough to get us the win...LMAO
Florida State Postgame Quotes
vs. NC State
Oct. 31, 2009
Head Coach Bobby Bowden
Opening Statement:
“When you play those kinds like Georgia Tech, you simply got to felt like you had to cash in on every scoring opportunity you got. If you miss an opportunity there gonna get ahead of you. That’s about that way that game was going. We stayed ahead of them most of the game then they finally went ahead of us and we came back and won it. The kids never gave up. We still have too many penalties. We still have too many mistakes, we had mistakes y’all don’t recognize because the receiver went to the wrong place or a guy went to the wrong place. But it beats losing. Whatever you did, it beats losing. I’m proud of ol’ Ponder because he took a couple of shoots there early in the game that would have put a normal guy out, but he stayed in there with it. And came back, played second half, I’m sure he’ll be sore tonight. Our running game was better. Our pass protection was not bad, it was pretty good. And our defense did good enough for us to win.”
Sheesh…
"If lessons were learned in defeat, our team is getting a great education." -Murray Warmath
i like to look at it this way
our defense did well enough for us not to lose.
I'm not so sure giving up 42 points at home during the homecoming game qualifies as doing enough not to lose...
There were 11 guys out there dressed up in Garnet and Gold to look like a Seminole defense. If I didn’t know better, I would swear this is Halloween…
"If lessons were learned in defeat, our team is getting a great education." -Murray Warmath
by NaGaNole on Oct 31, 2009 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
well we didn't lose
so therefore they did enough for us not to lose.
Hey, Bobby!
“Every scoring opportunity” isn’t supposed to equal “every offensive possession”.
by The K-Man on Oct 31, 2009 8:30 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I know
i saw it placed on the screen the disappeared ga dummit Halloween. …..
Yeah That's weird....
cool tool though…anyways great game still too many missed assignments in the secondary Mangum still has a jersey (Don’t Know How?) still struggles picking up wr released by CB’s and jumps other routes instead of staying home….
This has happen many times in Zone 2 Deep......Sorry that it's sloppy
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Ouch didn't show the whole diagram never mind
that took a long time too
ok cool, i posted a link to this in the gameday thread
but i think it bears repeating.. we tackle worse than Tecmo Deion
by ArsonistSavior on Oct 31, 2009 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Was trying to show that
On a simple stretch play in Zone 2 Deep Mangum continues to jump the underneath route and abandon his responsibilty for the deep middle. i.e. the deep post that has been beeting us all year in zone coverage.
Sent you an email of what I was talking about
it’s real sloppy but get’s the point across.
Forgot ROLB in pic
he was supposed to and was covering left wr
thats funny
because on the short touchdown play to the guy who greg reid was playing mangum was supposed to cover the underneath (as greg was playing against the corner fade).
long story short, mangum was lined up on the wrong side of the field. right before the play he realized it, started panicing and looking around all over the place, then ran to where he should be just a second too late to stop the TD.
sad story, saw it with my own eyes right infront of me.
I need to see the game on DVR
but I recall a play where Patrick was SCREAMING at Mangum before a play with trips right. There was one defender covering 3 receivers, and 22 would’ve stayed near the hash if Patrick didn’t aggressively realign him just prior to the snap.
I dont want to be mean or anything
and like I said, I appreciate that he cares about wearing the garnet and gold. BUT….is he really dumb? I mean, I figured since he lacks any discernible athleticism, he would be a guy who at least has a few brain cells. I am just curious what it is he was SUPPOSED to bring to the table.
Experience Miaminole, Experience
Ya see Mangum has more experience getting burned and embarrassed in front of thousands of people than anyone else in our secondary does. Maybe allowing Mangum to be burned on a weekly basis will save the confidence of our younger players. That’s sacrifice for the greater good.
Great game
Im to the point I know the Def sucks so I dont look at them anymore. The Offense was just great. I mean wow they seemed to do no wrong. Our Def woes are not going to be fixed so I see every game this year being just like this. It sucks but #$%^ happens. Ponder needs to be more carefull not to over do it. rib and back pains dont go away over night. I wouldnt want him to strain it anymore and they might want to throw EJ in to give Ponder a quick brake. At the same time he seems to be in a mode where he flows like water even hurt.
Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry
I understand that but ponder is going to kill himself. I know hes not ready and Im nost saying
we need to go to him bnut getting him a few snaps couldnt hurt and getting ponder a play or 2 off every now and then to get over to jimbo so they can talk out wouldnt hurt. Its not like its going to happen.
Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry
so can this defense be any better next season with a new staff because White doesnt look too good to me and unless we stop this arm tackling we will see more of the same
Better coaching, Less 260 lb DTs....
"If lessons were learned in defeat, our team is getting a great education." -Murray Warmath
Call me an optimist but I think with the right defensive coaching staff, we can see a dramatic improvement with these players.
Granted, our DL across the board is way too small but another year in the systems should push some players to near 300 each. Get some 255-270 DEs and we could see some pass rush for a change.
But more to my point, I think these players are just suffering right now from no coaching or worse, bad coaching teaching them techniques that actually work against them. Bring in a top notch defensive coaching team and FSU could go from 104 to top 30 in my opinion. And with a top 30 defense, this team could make a remarkable leap next year in the ACC.
Defense has improved
Physically, they are in the best shape I’ve seen our defense be in since I don’t know when.
Probablly because they are on the field chasing people so much—but their closing sped has drastically improved since the beginning of the season.
NOW—can they keep that moment? I hope so.
This season will make men out of them; the boys who can’t handle failure and are only in it for the glory will be weeded out.
Next year should see some very marked improvements; if not very well coached you will see some very determined individuals make some plays; much like Alex Brown and Patrick Robinson
So, yesterday's defensive performance was an improvement over the one against Miami?
I don’t think I see it. They may be in good shape though, I haven’t paid attention to that.
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Individually
A lot of players have improved.
While their team concepts are weak, their individual play has stepped up (Nigel, Dawkins, McDaniels, Moody—those are the ones I’ve noticed)…
But also look at what happens after the catch—guys aren’t breaking it off on them as much anymroe…
Its kind of like golf—your swing can get better but it doesn’t mean your gonna shoot a 70
Just because this is awesome...
"If lessons were learned in defeat, our team is getting a great education." -Murray Warmath
that would be cool to get they printout for it.
Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry
How else would you describe the 104th Defense in the nation?
If it wasn’t our defense? How would you describe it? Why are so many people obsessed with PRETENDING something is better than it is? Lying on the internet isn’t going to change the results on the field. If our defense continues to play miserable those comments will continue to be made no doubt. Hell there are articles in the democrat and sentinel that have finally started shedding light on the discrepancies between both units. ESPN talks about it every week they see us, is it not okay because we’re fans? The Defense sucks and worse words than Horrible or Awful could be used to describe where we stand on that side of the ball. There’s no way to sugarcoat the fact that 87% of FBS football teams play better Defense than FSU.
by truenole87 on Nov 1, 2009 10:38 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
All I know is
the South endzone was virtually empty aside from the Marching Chiefs. That looks pretty bad…
Didn't help that Raycom kept showing it coming in from every commercial break and as the background shot everytime they threw up game stats.
With that said, I’ll take the Raycom announcers, as much as they sucked, over Jesse ‘Captian Obvious’ Palmer any day.
"The other day I... uh, no, that wasn't me." - Steven Wright
by O-Town Nole on Nov 1, 2009 9:33 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Maybe they should hire Vern and Gary away from CBS to create a Voltron of Commentator Fail?
"The other day I... uh, no, that wasn't me." - Steven Wright
Looked TERRIBLE on TV
Then again, Raycom pretty much sucks too. Audio fading in and out, different contrast from different cameras, etc.. It looked like half the game was played on the sun, and the otehr half in the dark without lights on, and I was watching in (supposedly) Hi-Def….
Oh, but the TERRIBLE I mentioned….that was the attendance. I didn’t pause it and count seats, but there is no way there were 67,000 there….nowhere close…..absolute max of 70% in the stands, probably closer to 60%. That puts the figure between 50 – 60k. You’d have to present evidence to the contrary to convince me otherwise. Raycom did a pretty good job panning the crowd, or at least what crowd there was.
by PBD on Nov 1, 2009 9:07 PM EST up reply actions
That's the official number
but we know FSU lies out their ass with that. Remember the spring game figures?
I know Mr. Seminole won't read my reply.
Even if 67,000 showed up, go here and compare N.C. State game attendance in our glory years: 80,040 in 1999 and 82,425 in 2001. 67,712 on Saturday. You’re quibbling over a worthless point.
But let’s add to this: a lot of money is made on concessions. It’s a nice revenue stream on top of ticket sales. To overstate attendance by reporting only ticket sales is to overstate what people who were actually there were spending. If the actual attendance were smaller than the reported number, then there is less spending on concessions, which hurts the university. If you care about your school then you should care about this difference.
Do you think 67,000 people were buying concessions? Writers here would say about 12,000 less. Even if we assume an average of $4.00 per person on concessions*, well, shoot, you are probably smart enough to figure out that one. Now go back and assume the same comparing the record to your 67,000 and tell me how much we lost. Then tack on the 12,000 that we all know didn’t attend even though you won’t admit it. How much did we lose on this game, from concessions alone, compared to 2001? Factor in that people are spending less of their disposable income these days I’m guessing the difference in gross concession sales is easily more than $150,000. Stretch that out over the total attendance drop for all the home games for 2009 vs 1999 and take a look at it…
This is why I preferred the blackout. A black shirt says “we want change” while the seat is full and the revenue keeps going. What we have now is much worse for gameday revenue and by default worse for the school. Instead of donning black shirts, people have sent the same message – but it is much louder because it hurts the bottom line.
*The best I could find for per capita concession spending is in a UCF stadium study from 2005. I discounted the reported figure ($5.50), which was taken from actual stadium data at UConn. I rounded (way) down to $4 for ease of calculation and for south v. northeast location (stuff is just a lot more expensive up there). It is in no way exact and is meant for illustrative purposes alone.
I had zero line at the concession stands both during my pre-game cocktail and halftime cocktail.
By no means a scientific study, but it was apparent that concession lines were short or non-existent.
Agreed, Thompson is only gonna get better.
I think he got really comfortable after that long run against GT
Groin injury
probably lingering and they want him down the stretch so they don’t wanna rush him back.
there's no doubt
that no one has a wider disparity between offense and defense in the country. possibly in any sport, I wouldn’t know.
If we funk up Clemson
And we funk up the Gators—then I think we could lay a claim to that.
I realize it is a lot to ask for and would be a tedious and pain-staking effort
but I would love to see a breakdown of what Mangum does (or doesn’t do) on each defensive snap he is in the game. I was at the sports bar with some Carolina buddies, and we were basically just making a game out of “Watch #22 on this play”. He is out of position most of the time, tentative all of the time, and one of the worst form tacklers I have ever seen in the college level.
I can’t for the life of me figure out why he is in the game. I was literally getting angry by midway through the 2nd quarter.
Especially when Moody, at least to me, seems to be doing some good things and at least making some nice tackles
I think Moody is the best tackler on the team right now. It’s clear he doesn’t have a clue what to do on pass plays, but, of course, neither does Mangum so why not play Moody as much as he can stand it so he starts to get a clue? My question is rhetorical.
Its fun to watch Moody tackle
If you can call it that…
More like “lays people out”
Our second and third layer should be pretty intimidating next year with Nigel and Nick running around hammering people all the time
Moody had 2 big hits in the first series of the the game. He was in early, which is a good thing.
>-----:----:------>Spear 'em then Scalp 'em
The thought I had about Moody is...
he does come up and try to lay people out. One thing I noticed is that he putting in the hit, but not following it with a wrap-up / drag down tackle. There were a couple it looked like he turned to the side to hit with the shoulder, which will get him burned if he keeps that up.
I can see Spiller sidestepping him now….I really hope that is something that gets corrected, looks like he ’’s definitely not afraid of contact, and could be quite the intimidator back there.
by PBD on Nov 1, 2009 9:14 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Wonder how much of that is the loyalty angle
In other words, does Mickey not realize the younger guys are already better and it’s best for the program that they play now? Or does he know this, but is doing the old school “you have to wait your turn b/c this guy put in his time” thing anyway?
I think he honestly still believes the older guys are currently better
As he always has. He is concerned about trying to get better right now, and not too concerned with the future.
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He can't even keep his shoelaces tied.
That’s not a random statement. Empirical evidence exists, folks.
I started doing the same thing a few games back
Watching our D as a whole while trying to make any sense of it became so confounding that I picked out players to watch. Didn’t even bother w/ Mangum, but watched Smith against GT and White against UNC. I concluded that neither is physically or mentally capable of being an effective starter at the level we play (BCS – not present competence). Both should be situational backups that give you 10-12 plays a game. Also, not surprisingly, both are out of position. I would use Smith weakside on running plays and move White inside (after bulking up – his frame will handle it).
Sure enough,
FSU’s defense is now 109th, with only one BCS school lower (Washington State is 119th). That might improve the next three games — Wake Forest is #43 in offense, but Clemson is #83 and Maryland is #99! Florida is currently #13 to finish FSU’s schedule.
by Wild@Heart Nole on Nov 1, 2009 10:51 AM EST reply actions
We will make Clemson's offense look like All-World
Between Spiller and Jacoby Ford, big plays (at the very least 2 or 3) are a given. When I say big I’m talking 50+, 60+ yard plays. We might actually make stops against Maryland though.
Enough Bowden Bashing! Get a grip
OK, I am in total agreeance with what tomahawknation has to say about Bowden; in fact, this site has single handedly opened up my eyes to the many flaws Bowden brings along with him. BUT , just because Bowden needs to leave next year, doesn’t mean you should bash him every chance you get. Small shots like “That’s right, Bobby Bowden drew 50,000 people to his last homecoming game.” OR “Despite Bowden’s every effort (or lack thereof) to cripple the program he supposedly loves”
Get a grip man – WE GET IT – Bowden needs to go. But you forget that without Bowden you wouldnt even have this site, and the Seminoles wouldnt be the Seminoles we know today. His time is past , yes, but thats no reason to cut him down every chance you get – he is the man who MADE Florida State. When your mom and dad are old and on their death beds, are you going to start making fun of them because they can’t walk? Shit no man – They are the people who made you and because they were once so important in your life and so meaningful AT A TIME, they are to be respected. Respect Bobby Bowden, because he is in fact on his coaching death bed. He will be gone, and when he is we will miss the coach who single handedly made the athletic program what it is today
Lol Bowden =//= your parents, hopefully
Excuse us if we’re a little bitter over him destroying what he built over the course of the past 8 years. As has been said previously in the comments above, new people read our stories each day. We can’t assume anybody knows anything.
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Bobby
Glad you respect him so much. But I must inform you. He could care less about you. Unless you are going to keep him coaching, are family, or will give him large sums of money. Save your sermons for the Cult of Bobby meetings. What day are those being held this year?
Not an alcoholic, just an FSU grad.
by onebarrelrum on Nov 1, 2009 11:33 AM EST up reply actions
When your mom and dad are old and on their death beds, are you going to start making fun of them because they can’t walk? Shit no man – They are the people who made you and because they were once so important in your life and so meaningful AT A TIME, they are to be respected.
No., but I would long ago have the common sense to tell them to step down from running a multi-million dollar company.
goes beyond common sense about running the company
His children would have done him a favor by protecting his dignity and his legacy. Am not sure people outside FL or the casual fan realize how much he is perceived as a joke across the country. Am not talking about the TV heads saying what they are supposed to, but the real fans in the sports bar. I live in Birmingham, center of SEC territory, and I can assure you the arrogant SEC fans are very eager to point out what a joke he is. Don’t get me wrong. They very much respect what he’s done and are glad he’s still coaching, but he is now a joke and that respect for what he has done decreases every week.
cool
you from AL? I grew up in Huntsville. Graduated from FSU in 86. Been back in AL almost 12 yrs now.
How do you like Saban – the AL version of Tebow (or JC)? I am almost ashamed to admit I kinda like him – definitely more than I thought I would. Actually actively pulled for Bama for the first time in my life in last years SEC championship (grew up Auburn fan). Am sure will do so the 2nd time this yr.
BTW I have been negligent in not thanking you guys for all you do here. So happy to have found your site after all those other FSU sites. On those I felt like I had a PhD in football fanology in knowing things like “this is a good time for a draw” or “I would roll out and drag the TE across the back of the end zone here”. But now I know what a Cover-2 and a Zone Read are. On this site, I feel like I might be about ready to graduate high school.
Actually from fort Myers
I love Saban. He’s everything I want in a head coach, but I wouldn’t want to work for him for long.
I’m at Bama for law school and graduated FSU in 2007. This is my final year, and as of now i don’t have a job lined up. Hoping that chances, but have to work for it and my resume is pretty good.
went to a wedding in Ft Myers 10 yrs or so ago
had a good time and seemed like a great place to live if you were ready to settle down. You back to FL after degree, hang around here, or elsewhere? I suppose this economy you go where ever they’ll pay you. Have a good friend attorney and FSU grad (undergrad – I think Mercer law) in New Smyrna Bch. Don’t know how much help he’d be in job search but can ask. Let me know if you ever get to Bham and want to grab a beer.
As for Saban, that boy can definitely coach. didn’t think he could do it this fast after watching their struggles since Stallings. It bodes well for us. With parity in distribution of players you can turn it around in a few years. Guess Meyer is a testament to that also. and of course Jimbo/Trickett with our O. If Jimbo can get the right DC our D can match our O in 3 yrs. Am not as optimistic as you guys about the right staff turning them around much in one yr. Will detail why if I get time.
Not really sure where I will go yet
Yeah we should definitely catch the wake game. Know many other ’Nole fans in Bham?
I just think defense can turn around much faster than offense because they really don’t need to work as a unit. it is literally one mastermind and 11 guys doing their individual job.
2 that I know
One that is a close friend and his buddy who is more of an acquaintance friend. The acquaintance doesn’t get out much (a few kids) but we could most likely get Philip out for Wake. He just broke up with a long time girlfriend so is more sociable these days. Both graduated film school at FSU in mid to late 80s. Basically make TV commercials now. Steve directs & Philip produces. they collaborate a good bit but not always. BTW my name is Steve Perrett (other guy is Steve Moe). in other FSU people over there?
Take your point about the D turnaround. Could see the seeds for the O turnaround before we were seeing results in terms of points & yards. Things like penalties down and the right play call, but one guy screws up instead of 1/2 the team as in previous regime. Can see why results might be quicker on D
Look at Denver
Brought in a few dlinemen who were big bot not really talented, and a new DC (excellent Mike Nolan), and Bam, their defense is sick. Defensive turnarounds happen often.
have another FSU friend who's in Denver
and he was tellin me about the dissatisfaction w/ their young HC and Orton in the preseason. Talked to him recently and told me there is a lot of crow being eaten out that way these days. Broncos and Saints and Titans. Such a fine line between stupid and clever in NFL.
Biology Major
Grad school at UT-Houston. One of UT’s several big medical campuses. Think UAB but bigger. Although considering their expertise in real estate acquisition and the patronage of Richard Shelby, UAB methinks is catching up. worked at UAB doing lab research until 4-5 yrs ago. Acedemic research is like most disciplines these days in that you find yourself at some point doing way too much work for way too little compensation. You and 499 other people (is probably worse now) are avidly vying for that “next step”. So I now work for a non-profit in community development type stuff. Figured if I weren’t getting paid I should work a lot less and enjoy it more. So, yes, I do have a PhD that I use in absolutely no practical sense other than, of course, my unmatched critical thinking skills that you have already witnessed. PhD and $3.50 at Starbucks.
My brother is a company attorney in Atlanta. UA grad, both under & law, and he do love himself some Nick Saban.
Do you young folks come over here?
cause an 1 1/2 hr drive (there and back) is a full night by itself for us geezers
Well we go sometimes
I’m sure we could do it in Bham
I suspect we lose to Clemson and Wake loses to GT, so it should be a noon game.
sounds good
we’ll talk more around this time next week I suppose
The only thing his kids give a crap is making sure they can continue
sucking from the money teet.
On a side note, he could do so much more in regards to spreading the word doing something else.
While I understand what you're saying its important to remember
Bobby Bowden has used FSU just as much as FSU has used him. Bobby Bowden could not have and would not have experienced the type of success he did here at WVU. Bowden has had a remarkable coaching career yes, but much of his success has always hinged upon his assistants and as you can see, the moment he hired sub par to bad assistants his record began to suffer because of it. Bobby Bowden didn’t do anything “single handedly”
I grow weary of the notion that we as a University we owe Bobby Bowden anything other than what’s already been given to him. Along with a foundation to build his legacy on, we’ve paid him millions of dollars and been an automatic employment opportunity for his friends and family members that aren’t necessarily qualified to for positions here. He is an employee, charged with doing a job and quite frankly it is only his past accomplishment that has afforded him to keep that job for the past 6 or 7 years. We continue to pay him without yielding results based on our emotions and fondness of Coach Bowden. Its difficult to ignore his lack of effort, or even the fact that he refuses to acknowledge his lack of effort. He simply does not do what it takes to be a successful Head Coach anymore and its finally pissing people off.
by truenole87 on Nov 1, 2009 11:43 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
When I read the title on my blackberry I thought it said "Florida State's Offense again Balls out" it would have worked too
365 days, until I change my ways.
Oh good lord
I dont have a warchant subscription of course, but on the front page they now have a link titled “Bowden on future hires.” This is like the damn twilight zone, or maybe Mugatu from Zoolander, “I feel like I’m taking crazy pills!” Hopefully it’s just click-bait
yeah, that could be funny all by itself. “So Bobby, could you give us some names of the type of young up and coming DC’s you would like to hire?”
Yeah, he doesn't even know who our captains are
And we’re supposed to believe he has any idea who Jimbo will hire?
>>---l>
Another question Uncensored.
What is a realistic turnaround for our d next year if we hire a good coordinator? With our current players, i would expect us to be at least a top 35 d next year.
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