Bowden has lost the hometown paper. Tallahassee Democrat Calls for Bobby Bowden to Step Down
"It is time to move beyond the Bobby Bowden Era. ... Let players — current and future — know that the Jimbo Fisher Era has a starting point — and that starting point begins once this season is over.
'I'll evaluate myself. I'll wait to the end of the year,' Bowden said. It's too late for that. He has lost that right."
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Sweet
Anyone on campus reading, he lost the newspaper, let’s take the student body from him!
by pillsburysoldier on Oct 4, 2009 2:18 AM EDT reply actions
I'll argue with my classmates and coworkers!
and post some stuff too
by pillsburysoldier on Oct 4, 2009 3:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Wow, as a Tally native, that's pretty big
Ellis has been on the beat since I was in middle school, so he’s not some Johnny-come-lately trying to make a splash with a scathing article. Plus, it’s not like the TD has much to cover other than FSU sports, football in particular. BTW, Bianchi in the OS also called for Bobby’s head.
“What would I gain by stepping down right now,” Bowden said. "What would you do? Fire everybody and bring in a whole new coaching staff. You can’t do that, you know?
What can’t you do that? Other schools do. Wife and I will be at the game. I was going to wear my TN thsirt. Wear black instead?
the creator of the TN shirt says:
Abandon ship (shirt). Black it out, brethren.
by The K-Man on Oct 4, 2009 11:47 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
"I'll Evaluate myself" - what a joke
That’s abiout as rich as when the media evaluates itself and then consludes that it isn’t biased after all. Unbelievable!!!
This is shocking, really
On a couple of levels:
1) Very, VERY unusual for this type of column to be written “hot” — that is, on deadline. Usually if the paper is going to take this kind of stand it is done in a calculated way — the editor and even the publisher get involved and careful craft the column (or editorial) with the writer. If Ellis wrote this on his own and the weekend editor was the only person to read it, my guess is there will be a massive shitstorm at the TD today and Monday. This is the kind of thing that can cause unbelievable friction between the newspaper and the university. If Ellis didn’t go through the right channels on this, it’s the kind of thing people get fired for.
2) Having said that, I’M SO PROUD OF HIM! Everybody should understand what this means. THIS will be THE STORY Saturday night on ABC. They will show pictures of his column and it will be the entire pre-game show as it pertains to FSU. This will do a LOT to hasten BB’s departure, imo.
3)This is probably the best thing to happen to our recruiting all year — Jimbo can now wink at recruits and say “OK, you see what’s happening now. I can’t tell you BB is leaving, but even the newspaper has it figured out.”
4) You can all diminish the power of newspapers if you want, but this proves the undeniable fact that newspaper still wield tremendous power and this is probably the single biggest thing that could happen outside of the university to bring about the regime change we all so fervently crave.
Meh
Ellis has been covering the ‘Noles for about as long as I’ve been alive. If he’s not untouchable by now, he’s probably pretty close. And what’s the university going to say? “He’s wrong”?
I kinda think so, too, in re: the column’s importance. Losing the Democrat is a major blow.
Regarding #2
I think Gene Williams took a bold step last week as well. He finally let the snarling dogs run amock on the old guard.
Good for him, too.
by The K-Man on Oct 4, 2009 11:51 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Drew
Untouchable in the newspaper business in the year 2009? LOL — some of the biggest names in all of journalism have taken buyouts or been laid off in the last 5 years. The idea that a beat writer for a mid-sized paper like the TD is untouchable is worth a good laugh.
If you don’t think the university can bring pressure to bear on the newspaper you are sadly mistaken. But let me be clear — FSU can’t get Ellis fired. What would get him fired is if he wrote this column without consulting higher-ups.
Perhaps.
I think you’re saying the university can’t get him fired while implying that it can. But in order for that to happen, I think you’d have to assume some credibility on the part of the university players, and I ain’t seeing it, quite honestly. If the comments over at the Democrat’s page are to be believed, it seems to me Ellis is plenty backed-up by the Democrat’s readers. If the readers are there, Ellis will be there.
Second, I’d be interested to know who these “biggest names in journalism” are. It’s generally been my experience that the biggest names are the lousiest journalists getting paid for being wrong 95% of the time, and that they never get bought out or laid off. But maybe that’s just how it looks in the Washington metro area, where “journalism” is defined as “Those who make it to the roundtable on Meet the Press.”
...adding:
And if writing a column that takes a popular opinion requires permission from the higher-ups, the ought to just fold the Democrat and every other newspaper. Alas, you’re probably not altogether wrong on that, because journalists — old media ones, anyway — are generally a bunch of hacks who care more about access than they do about getting people the truth.
It's not just the old hacks
Any journalist is susceptible to the seduction of access. Most new journalists have no idea how to go find a story. They either get a call from their connections and then go write what they are told. Or, they sit and wait for press releases to come in and then write a story. The television news is particularly bad about this. All a TV journalist (and I use the term loosely) needs is a police radio so they can get to the latest murder, apartment fire, abduction or sex scandal. When was the last time you saw a hard hitting piece of local TV news? Those stupid monkeys couldn’t find a real news story if one end of a rope was tied to it and the other was tied around their waist.
News outlets, and not just newspapers, will always balance telling the truth and what they see as the best interest of the community they serve. Think about the auto industry and Detroit newspapers. Jacksonville and the naval stations and paper mills. The King family and the Atlanta Journal Constitution. Any newspaper in the state of Washington and the logging industry (Except the Seattle PI). Miami and the cocaine traffickers (heh…).
More importantly, news groups are very sensitive about going after their main stream of advertising revenue. Look what happened to the LA Times when their auto industry published a series of articles that slammed the executives at GM. Yes, they were all dead on as we now see. But that didn’t stop GM from telling them to pull the articles and muzzle their journalist or they would get all GM auto dealers to pull all of their advertising. The paper gave in.
What makes this even more amazing is not the threat of FSU pulling its advertising, but that the main audience for newspapers, especially paper editions, is the over 45 crowd. These people are by far the biggest Bowden backers out there. So, the paper taking this stand is particularly daring. It will cost them subscriptions. And in this day of shrinking revenues, it makes it even more remarkable. Either that or Steve snuck this in and is about to have to update his resume. Hmmm…you think he would be interested in becoming a regular here at TN?
http://s825.photobucket.com/albums/zz178/unclefestus/
Are you talking about the same paper that has been more supportive
and provided better coverage of uf at times than it does FSU? I don’t think the TC cowtows to FSU in the slightest.
Bobby Loyalist...
I am AMAZED the amount of Bobby loyalist I still see at various websites. I mean…I always joked that folks only cared about Bobby and not FSU……but I am not kidding folks out there would burn FSU itself for the man. It is like a cult you can’t kill.
And there are a lot of them. They are relying on the WEAK logic that Jimbo isn’t the guy. Hey, he might not be, but how is that reason for Bobby not getting fired? Once again, the Bobby Cult looks for another scapegoat to save their god.
I can’t believe out INSANE the Bobby cult is. No wonder Bobby has lost his mind….he really is worshipped as a god.
Nobody else has seen this and been stunned by this?
guess it is just me.
Been watching it too long.
Can’t be stunned anymore. Bobby’s a Good Ol’ Boy, and that crowd will back him up. Then you have the hero-worship, which you noted. I think most ’Noles fans are on our side, though.
No, bro. You aint alone.
I’ve been clubbing those mindless zombies with a battle axe.(Metaphorically, with my logical posts) They simply will not die. Look up “undead” in the dictionary and you’ll see some Warchant screen names.
by The K-Man on Oct 4, 2009 11:56 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yep.
I was miffed at Jimbo prior to the comeback yesterday, but that was really something to see. Ponder played tough and made the passes. (The more I see of this guy, the more I love him. I mean, 70% completions? In the rain?!) Reed was a fiend. O-line finally came alive.
They’ve got the talent and the brains on offense. The o-line lacks consistency, but that’s fixable.
There’s no cure for the D at the moment, and the dysfunction is killing us.
Bianchi wrote basically the same article in the Sentinel
With the consolidation of the newspaper industry, these two articles will be in every major paper that covers the Noles.
A couple of things
(1) Bobby wanted to assert himself more than history has allowed.
(2) Many people do not like Jimbo. Whether you like him or not, any of our best recruits are there because of Jimbo. Let him have his 5 years and then let us pass judgement—we can only speculate as to whether his performance thus far is the best performance he can give.
(D) It will be very important that the next coaching staff do the right things to secure confidence from the boosters. Whoever comes into this situation is going to have a very diverse group of boosters to please. It will be important to give honor to Bobby, but also to show that the team has a new direction.
I think the way Fisher has handled himself publicly speaks volumes about the kind of man he is, or at least his ability to appear humble in the public eye.
He is and WILL come back...
and TK will help him.
I don’t get how anyone sees it otherwise.
One reason it might be otherwise...
is because TK is leaving office at the end of the year. I do not believe this is a coincidence. In the past, the decision to renew Bowden’s contract has been made after the first of the year and TK does not want to be known as the president that fired Bobby. He wants that decision to fall on to whoever succeeds him.
Actually, he wants to renew Bobby...
right before he leaves.
If we go undefeated the rest of the year he might try to come back
do you think that will happen?
I love Bobby he can stay forever!!! lulz
He should fire everybody and start from scratch.
North Alabama is undefeated… Bobby can bring in their staff!!! Maybe we can get some of their players to transfer too!!!
his contarct runs out this year
so they simply dont renew it……………well lets hope
If you build it, they will come.
MORE FOOTBALL INFORMATION, NOW!!!!!! BRAIN IS HUNGRY!!!!!
If TK is still here he will
2009 Rays Baseball: Welp.....we'll try again in 2010
2009 FSU Football: Bobby Bowden.........it's time to go
Be a TRUE Seminole: http://www.seminoles.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/071509aab.html
by JMB on Oct 4, 2009 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions
that's a lot of hope....
He bleeds Garnet and Gold, She bleeds Crimson and White. AND THEY BOTH HATE ORANGE! GO NOLES!! ROLL TIDE!!
On the bright side of this mess
Ponder has a spectacular showing, yet again.
69% completion percentage.
341 yards.
QB Rating of 137.25.
Well done PONDER!!!
Done w/o a running game...
I have six locks on my door all in a row. When I go out, I only lock every other one. I figure no matter how long somebody stands there picking the locks, they are always locking three.
Elayne Boosler
He wasnt perfect, but he was sensational again with a gimp leg.
He’s the difference between us and Tulane right now.
by The K-Man on Oct 4, 2009 12:01 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Ponder is amazing
He’s one of the few reasons we may see a bowl game at the end of the year
2009 Rays Baseball: Welp.....we'll try again in 2010
2009 FSU Football: Bobby Bowden.........it's time to go
Be a TRUE Seminole: http://www.seminoles.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/071509aab.html
by JMB on Oct 4, 2009 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions
It wasn't just his stats
Some of the throws he made were MONEY throws. Very impressive.
That throw he fit into Goodman...
between four guys. Great catch by Goodman and WHAT A THROW. Awesome.
Not an alcoholic, just an FSU grad.
Hope this made the print edition of the Democrat
Not sure any of the boosters even know what the internet is.
I did it guys...Number 308...
It was hard, and a huge turning point for me, but I signed that petition. I have wanted him gone for a long time, but actually signing the petition is tough because I, as many of you, grew up with him. This is 9 years coming, but let’s hope we make some traction. The points being made about old boosters are more on point than you can imagine. My Mom is one of those old boosters, graduated fom FSU in ’66. Like most old people, she has money. Like most young people, I do not. It is straight blasephmy for me to say one negative word about Bobby to her. I called her after I signed the petition, because I sent it to her and everyone else I know. I tried to explain just some of the horrible things with the Program, and like most old people, Bobby was blameless while Jimbo was the antichrist. I say all these things just to illustrate the mentality we are up against. We have to start somewhere, though, and I hope this petition is that place. Go Noles!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Since having posted the potition
It has tripled in support, going from 100 signatures to 300…
That isn’t exactly perfect, but it shows that the little efforts we are making are making a difference.
So how does FSU suck bad enough to get BB to leave without losing to many key recruits.
Is there a happy med. Is there a way to get the word out that Jimbo is next, that a new DC is coming without letting the midea know. I want us to still win games.
Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry
Isn't he known for being classy?
Just crossing my fingers that ol’ BB has the class to bow out gracefuuly on his own – only way this could go down without hurting the program even more. And despite some highly questionable play calling near the goalline I think Jimbo’s been alright – must be impossible tp pretend to be the head coach with Andrews and Amato spewing envy down the halls. He can’t realize his potential as the team’s leader when forced to share the job, but if this assinine arrangement goes on much longer that potential could be ruined.
My understanding is that.....
were it not for MA sticking around, Amato would be the DC now. Since next year is the last, Jimbo should have a lot of say into who the DC will be and Amato will still be just a bitter has been who choked his only opportunity away. Mickey stayed on due to his love of the school.
There is some real talent here, but the coaching situation is going to ruin it for them. BB must leave after this season. Sad thing is, I don’t think it will happen unless we lose out. We’re in a no win situation. I don’t think the Golden Chiefs are all that solid behind BB anymore based on his handling with this coaching situation. I fear that these shenanigans will somehow affect Jimbo in a negative way for once he tales over. I want to be wrong on that one.
BB needs to be told to get rid of Amato or you can go too. And he also needs to be taught that the way they are running the program now, he doesn’t need to worry about the 14 wins because he won’t come close and he has nobody to blame but himself.
After we lose to GT
In a shootout (we score 30 something they score 40 something) FSU will have a ‘big’ announcement and a press conference the following Monday or Tuesday. Bobby steps up to the podium (and all the members of TN are watching with fingers crossed) and says “Changes need to be made for the betterment of the program. As such Coach Andrews will be retiring at the end of the season.” BB then exits stage left.
TN and most of the rest of the college football shake their heads in disbelief.
The circus continues…….
Still improvement though. Just as long as Amato leaves too, him as DC would be a nightmare.
First thing he would do is get all the players suited for red silk bras so he doesn’t feel so alone.
"I'm falling apart, I'm barely breathing, With a broken heart thats still beating, In the pain is the healing, in Your Name I find meaning, So I'm holdin' on.. holdin' on to you."
Yeop.
You are right, I think Bowden is very good @ deflecting blame. He has made a career of it, and as a head coach, that is an understandable survival tactic. HOWEVER, I think he is at the end of his rope.
If it takes me until I am 81 or however old he is to be “@ the end of my rope,” I think I will die a happy man, hopefully some 10 years later.
Nobody is really giving attention
to the fact we’re having to play so many freshmen and true-freshmen on defense. These kids haven’t really been indoctrinated enough to be expected to play at an overall high level. So we’ll take our lumps this year.
Having said that, it doesn’t excuse our coaching or Bowden from poor recruiting from ‘05-’07. It’s just that whoever gets these kids next year (hopefully!) will have the advantage of young kids with experience. Again, hopefully.
Without decent coaching those young guys don't stand a chance
2009 Rays Baseball: Welp.....we'll try again in 2010
2009 FSU Football: Bobby Bowden.........it's time to go
Be a TRUE Seminole: http://www.seminoles.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/071509aab.html
by JMB on Oct 4, 2009 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Has Jimbo been “ruined” by all the drama and waiting around? I feel like he might have been more motivated and would do a better job had he been HC and had his own people from day one.
He worked for Saban
You don’t do that without a thick skin. Plus, any outcome here comes to his benefit: Bobby leaves after this year, he gets to command a historically-successful program in a talent-rich geographic region; or Bobby is dumb and stays after next season, and Jimbo gets $5 million on top of being a HC somewhere else.
Otherwise, Jimbo would have left after the 1st Chuck suckerpunch (btw did something happen on the plane last night??)
Was going to ask that too. Someone on Warchant said something about an argument between Jimbo, and Mickey and Chuck on the plane ride.
Chuck Amato punched Jimbo? when did this happen?
by Renegade_NOL3 on Oct 4, 2009 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Who started this (probably false) rumor?
Speed is a great asset; but it's greater when it's combined with quickness - and there's a big difference.
- Ty Cobb
Nole55 brought it up last night
Speed is a great asset; but it's greater when it's combined with quickness - and there's a big difference.
- Ty Cobb
I really hope he was not making that up due to a very frustrating day.
Speed is a great asset; but it's greater when it's combined with quickness - and there's a big difference.
- Ty Cobb
I heard Dexter Carter shoved a flag in Jody Allen's mouth
that’s how the teeth got chipped…
Selling the rest of my season tix
I,m not spending anymore money going to games until BB is gone. Rather then spending that money I,m going to save it till next year and go from Warrior @ 600 a year to Tomahawk @ 1200 when Jimbo is HC.
I still buy season tix and donate $600 a year
by Renegade_NOL3 on Oct 4, 2009 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Like i said im going to double my donations next year when BB is gone..
and next year depending on how well my business does I may go to 3k.
by Renegade_NOL3 on Oct 4, 2009 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Anyone have a guess to how many fans show to the GT game?
Because I think the ONLY way change happens is if the stadium is empty.
No, they don't....BUT, here is the issue.
If the stadium is full……even with people wearing ‘Fire Bobby’ shirts. No change will happen. That is just reality.
To allow these coaches to damage these players further ……THAT is what the players don’t deserve.
So IMHO. You think you are supporting the players by going…..but really, you are only supporting Bobby.
Fair? No. Are the players screwed? Yes.
correct.
Only radical wallet surgery can save this dying program, because severely declining revenue is the one thing Spetman and TK and the boosters Executive Director will have to answer to their bosses for.
The voice not buying tickets, not contributing, and not in the stands, is the only voice that will be heard.
by PeachTreeNole on Oct 4, 2009 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions
EXACTLY....
as long as the money keeps coming……NOTHING WILL CHANGE. I don’t care what color shirt you wear.
Power has to be RIPPED from TK, Spetman, and Bobby. The ONLY way that happens is starve the program.
You do the players NO favors by going to games as things currently stand.
I agree with everything thats been said
And feel that things will change. Everyone is calling for Bobby to walk away and I think TK is already feeling the pressure. Problem is, that change probably won’t come til the end of the season.
I hope you are right...
but neither TK nor Bobby want change and both are EXTREMELY stubborn, powerful, and have a long history of reacting badly to being pushed.
Just struggle to see a good ending.
Man, we're all praying for the best
I just can’t believe this crap is taking place at my alma mater.
I don't think TK has the balls to ask for BB's resignation
Bowden probably has way to many of the boosters in his pocket
by Renegade_NOL3 on Oct 4, 2009 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions
More to the point....
he doesn’t WANT to.
FYI, all the golden chiefs I know are done with Bobby.
The biggest BS myth out there is it is about money. BULL. It is about political power…that is it. And it ALL resides with TK and Bobby.
Keep in mind....
our fans WANTED TK to be president.
they thought…great an ex football player, one of us, they thought football first, priorities and intelligence was a DISTANCE 2nd (if considered at all).
FSU fans supported ALL of FSU’s back slapping, cryonism….they thought it was great we fired professionals like Hart and replaced him with a puppet from Utah State.
until FSU supporters start demanding intelligent people being hired by FSU and not inbred retarded sons of somebody connect type of situations……well, FSU fans (as a whole) deserve this….we asked for it.
Telling quote:
“What would I have to gain by stepping down right now?”
It’s all about “I”? Are you KIDDING ME?
FSUn, SWFLNole, MattD, FrankD, FSUSOM...
I recall someone talking about putting something together for TN about a possible list of coaching candidates?
may be just a coincidence with the name?
by Renegade_NOL3 on Oct 4, 2009 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions
google the guy’s email address and regular address….
He is a 1998 graduate of Cathoic High School (Pensacola – ?). HIs address also had a Craigslist garagesale.
Well, you guys finally won me over
BB has to step down. This is unacceptable performance from a once dominate program, The one opportunity for a sure win vanished as Maryland found its legs v. UNC, i am disgusted. And the defense is beyond poor. If not for his now tarnished legacy, l would have him do it today.
Interesting View
I just went back and looked at BB’s record at FSU. It seems that the majority of wins came 4 years prior to joining the ACC and then 10 years there after. Perhaps BB is not as great of a coach as people make him out to be. After all, the ACC was a cakewalk for the first 10 years.
Perhaps he is a good coach.
I do know that he has done great things for FSU, his players and communities throughout the nation. I do know that he is still sharp. How the game is now played? Now, that is a different story.
Is it possible another coach could have put FSU on the map? I think not. Did several stars make it because of BB, I think so, even with the second chances.
I am angry at the younger fans pushing for change and showing complete ignorance. Yes, the team needs a central leader and not a figure head and so forth. I am with you.
Publicly displaying that ‘anyone’ should be fired is disrespectful and not a trait of a True Seminole. What happened to Strength, Skill and CHARACTER?!
Imagine the impact to the recruiting class! We are better than this. We need to support this team and coaching staff 1000%.
Sportmanship applies to the fans as well.
Pure and complete BS.....
how anyone gets that the Seminole Tribe doesn’t believe in firing someone?
Seriously….how did you come up with that?
I am an older fan and want change. You know what is disrespectful……..the way Bobby is treating FSU right now.
Where is Bobby’s Character? I don’t see any. Just a tired old man looking for more $$$$$$.
Your morality is insane….much like that of someone from a cult. Pro Bobby people are REALLY out there.
Do you actually think Bobby cares about the cash at this point?
I also feel Bobby should leave. The problem is the method in which people are going about it. Have more class and respect.
Yes I do.
Because he still takes it.
And he asked for a raise just a little over a year ago.
I’d have no problem with him staying if he weren’t extorting $2.5 mil from the University annually.
I'd have a problem with him still staying
Because Amato would be DC and Allen would still need regular beating.
by pillsburysoldier on Oct 4, 2009 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Class and Respect have been shown
That is why we are watching the programs downfall. BB is hurting 1) the kids 2) the school 3) the fans and 4) himself and his legacy. He should have been gone a couple years ago, but has been shown, arguably, too much respect.
He has done this without admitting there is a major problem here. We all pull for the kids, but they suffer the most as their play the last two weeks has shown.
BB needs to admit there are major problems and he is not going to be able to make a quick fix of these. I wouldn’t give him the last year unless he cans Amato and Allen and lets Jimbo set the defensive staff for the future.
Noles55, was it you that started the Amato punch plane rumor?
Any truth to that?
Speed is a great asset; but it's greater when it's combined with quickness - and there's a big difference.
- Ty Cobb
I posted...
that Amato went after Jimbo on the plane to the game. They had to be seperated. Not saying ANY punches were landed.
Same thing prior to USF game.
Amato is going ALL out to destroy Jimbo and FSU out of bitterness and Bobby is sitting idly by watching it happen
I agree completely noles55
Bobby has forfeited any right to further respect. He has become an egomaniac who is only concerned with himself. The University and program deserve better. He should be fired NOW. He will never leave of his own accord. Never.
Seriously?
Is it possible another coach could have put FSU on the map? I think not.
With all of the talent around Florida and the scholarship restrictions spreading that talent more evenly, you still think Bowden is the only person who could have been successful at FSU? Are you nuts? I think he had a wonderful career, but to suggest he was the only man capable of doing this is absurd. Florida State has very few limitations: it’s near the talent, it’s a relatively easy school, it has an attractive climate, it has an attractive student body, it plays top programs on a regular basis.
My question would be, who could come here and NOT do well? If not Bowden, then I’m sure someone else would have thrived.
This isn’t Connecticut or Cincinnati.
Agreed.
Keep in mind the USF coach is putting them on the map, just like BB did.
Granted, I guess BB just helped im out quite a bit.
You could be very well correct,
but remember this was a few decades back. What coach in 1976 do you think could have done a similar job? In your reply, it has to be somewhat realistic FSU would have been able to convince him to come to TLH.
I don’t think anyone is going to be successful long term in Tallahassee. If Jimbo is as talented as some say and money is what motivates all the coaches (as suggested by someone in a prior post), then FSU will only be able to keep him until the SEC or another super conference pulls him away with greenbacks (that FSU just doesn’t have_.
Post makes no sense
I don’t think anyone is going to be successful long term in Tallahassee. If Jimbo is as talented as some say and money is what motivates all the coaches (as suggested by someone in a prior post), then FSU will only be able to keep him until the SEC or another super conference pulls him away with greenbacks (that FSU just doesn’t have_.
First off why would nobody be able to have success in Tallahassee? You are able to mine the talent in both Fla and Ga on a yearly basis and pitch a program with top facilities and a history of winning that plays in a major conference that is very winnable. Right now there are only 3 or 4 SEC programs that are better long term jobs than FSU and all of them have entrenched head coaches. South Carolina or Mississippi State are not going to woo a coach away from FSU.
Judging from your posts you really don’t have a firm grasp of how the college landscape works in D1. The programs that are truly better long term jobs than FSU as of right now all have head coaches. For them to reach out to try and take Fisher down the road would mean that Fisher had FSU up and rolling again. But if FSU is up and rolling it is one of the top 10 jobs in the nation and nobody moves from those unless they are going to the NFL.
by osceolafan850 on Oct 4, 2009 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions
In 1976
How many National Titles did Miami have?
Did UF have?
How many SEC Championships did UF have?
The facts are that the dynamics of Florida as a state exploded in the late 70’s and it was an absolute goldmine for football talent.
Facts: see the probation posts by trust1e. Bowden was set up perfectly.
I question your understanding of the word "ignorance."
I know I know, it’s a popular word to use now to insult someone’s intelligence in a ‘dignified,’ ‘educated,’ and ‘classy’ way, but uh……this movement is not a show of ‘ignorance,’ ya dig?
by pillsburysoldier on Oct 4, 2009 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey guys, here’s a good way to decide how we should remove Bobby:
1) some are suggesting that we worry about feelings first and if that means that BB might stay on one more year, we put up with it… blah, blah I hate myself for typing that.
2) shoot first ask questions later. Just get it over with. I really don’t care anymore (gets my vote)
Ok, so here’s what you do – Ask yourself, if Larry Coker was still the coach of UM and we knew the Canes would be less talented because of him and more than likely less prepared would you want him fired? Or no…. Same question about UF, if their coach was dragging them down wouldn’t you want him to stay?
Now what do you think all those canes and gates are saying about good ‘ol boy now? I don’t know i think they kinda like having him on staff…
I place myself even more firmly in choice number 2.
"I will tell Florida State University when my move is to come."
Has nobody made mention of this today? Bobby said this yesterday.
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I am efforting to find out if the Q&A is exclusive to Warchant or can be found at another source.
I want to FJM it, but I don’t want to steal Gene’s material.
Who's that?
did he play last year?
Do they have 2 wideouts?
cmon man
Seriously though...
I don’t REMEMBER writing that article, but it definitely looks like what I would write if I were trying to make “Bowden is old” jokes.
Gene just needs to go Frost-Nixon on his senile ass
It would be decidedly easier than the real thing
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I will determine my situation
BB: “I will determine my situation”
Can anyone get ol’ Diablo_2 a job like this? Ya know where at the end of the calendar year I assess MY OWN employment status!
Jeff Cameron"s radio commentary was dead-on accurate. BB sees HIMSELF as bigger than FSU. Bigger than the University president.
"Fire Bowden" has ESPN's attention
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4531451
Heather Dinich, ACC blogger
Although, I half-expected the blog to mention the “Blackout Bowden” facebook group.
Thanks for the link
Matt…here you go. Heather has the quote so we’re free to go big with it.
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Democrat
Honestly I quit paying any attention to what they say years ago. Their honchos have gator connections. Now Ellis and some of them are from South Carolina I believe but the core of it is all gator. They love seeing FSU lose.
The democrat forum is all you need to see. That forum absolutely discourages any FSU fan as they allow the most crude gator diatribe on it and I am not convinced many of them are not the democrat staff themselves.
They have been more supportive of Uf than FSU for a long time in my opinion. So coming out now in favor of getting rid of Bowden is about five years too late. I am not impressed. They probably would not be doing it now but my guess is local business people are beginning to speak up if for no other reason than lost revenue. Everybody is tired of this.
I have my own suspicions that Bud and TN may be a catalyst also. You have got to think they view this site as a thorn in the side. I can well picture demo and warchant execs having a discussion along the lines of hey this low maintenance forum is putting out more football information and telling the truth, people are flocking over there we had better gear our information more towards reality. It had to be a wake up call to them if nothing else.
Bowden has been his own worst enemy in the public relations arena. Some of the stuff he comes out with is damaging. Take for instance the fact that he admitted trying to have Jeff stay on and buck the administration and public mood. The latest that he did not see how resigning would benefit him! Say what Bobby, the gist is not how it benefits you. He has thought whatsover of how this benefits FSU. He has had a very lucrative career here but fan discontent has actually caused him a great distaste for FSU fans who he blames and has referred to us as play station All Americans.
My personal feeling is that he is a bitter man at this point, cares very little about what happens to FSU in the future and the hiring and keeping on of Amato is almost like taunting. If true this idea of Amato trying to attack people is unbelievable. He should be fired immediately. Better yet put Amato in a ring and let me go three rounds with him. I can settle this thing.
This “I will determine my situation” comment is more than I can handle but just like BB. He really thinks he is above the University. I am not sure senility hasn’t set in but it is way past time for him to announce he is retiring. The program I am sorry to say is losing recruits right now just because he will not make it clear he is out of there.
Recruits are the name of the game and every week this announcement is not made sets the program back that much further. As mentioned the other day Elam is looking around. There was a time when a recruit that did not want to go to UF automatically came on board at FSU. This is simply not the case these days. Near misses can be costly. A Marvin Austin, Brandon Thompson and a Corey Luiget going somwhere else can cost games.
This is where we are at right now and it needs to stop. Excuses by BB’s relatives on message boards don’t get it any more either.
Playstation All American, right again!
TomahawkNation
Better to bear the rebuke of the wise than to hear the song of fools
Spot On...
I wish the NCAA would have came out in Week 1 and announced they are taking his wins away. That would have been a HUGE blow to BB and his dream to pass Joe Pa. I would rather have the 2 Track NC’s than have BB in the Top 10 winningest coaches. The time is LONG Overdue…. Not at the end of the year, Not during the offseason, Not next week… NOW Time to go NOW!!
Huked On Foniks Wurks Fer ME!!!!
by PanamaCityBeach-NOLE on Oct 5, 2009 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Nice Find....
WTF is wrong with the whole Bowden Family? Terry Bowden has ALOT of room to run his mouth. Good read though, thanks for the find RunninNole
Huked On Foniks Wurks Fer ME!!!!
by PanamaCityBeach-NOLE on Oct 5, 2009 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions
One other thing
It appears that two guys angling for another year of BB receiving a paycheck, Terry and Chucky just may have been the catalysts for ousting BB ahead of schedule. I am referring to the comments that boosters will buy out Jimbo made by Terry Bowden and Chucky continually going after the head coach in waiting. BB and his boys have cost him a lot of money. First by hiring his son. If he had hired Norm Chow he would probably be making 5 million a year like Saban
Also if he had a handle on things he would have fired Chucky after the first instance. He didn’t however. I am wondering if he thinks it is amusing or is just disaffected.
I hope you did not miss the part where Jim Smith alluded to the fact that Fisher not being accepted as the number one assistant blurred the lines of authority. This is a biggie. In other words you don’t put the linebacker coach over one of the premiere offensive coordinators in the country. This also shows a damaged BB ego when a new offensive coach was forced on him. Shot yourself in the foot again Bobby.
I would hope the trustees and the president get together and tell BB you can stay the season but as of now all major decisions will go through Fisher and as of now he is in charge of the staff including hiring and firing on the spot if sees the need. Just do the TV show Bobby and don"t get in the way.
Playstation All American, right again!
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Better to bear the rebuke of the wise than to hear the song of fools
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