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Finally! Report: Florida State's Administration Says "Enough is Enough" and Puts Bowden in His Place

It started eight years ago with Bobby Bowden hiring friends over the most qualified available coaches.  It cast doubt in the mind's of Florida State fans as Bowden strong-armed the 'Nole's administration to skirt state nepotism laws and have his son hired as offensive coordinator..  It continued with poor recruiting evaluations and lazy, outdated recruiting practices.  It snowballed with a general decline in passion for coaching and the corresponding drop in effort and accountability.  A head coach's public disdain for his university and its fans after Florida State finally forced out maligned recruiting coordinator Jeff Bowden didn't help matters.  Never accepting or even publicly acknowledging Offensive Coordinator's Jimbo Fisher's Head Coach in waiting (HCiW) succession plan, and allowing other lame duck but loyal assistants to undermine the future of the program set the Noles back too.  Call it the "Nepotism Era" or if you prefer, the "Lost Decade."  But Florida State University Board of Trustee's Chairman Jim Smith, one of the original six to bring Bowden to Florida State in 1976, is calling for its end.

The season has not gone well for Bobby Bowden.  The Noles sit at 2-3 for the first time in a quarter century, and are 0-2 in the ACC for the first time ever  With seven 2008 bowl teams left on the schedule, they are a longshot to finish the season with a winning record.  A bowl game appears to be the only remaining season goal for the Seminoles.  Bowden has repeatedly appeared confused and uninformed in interviews, which embarrassed the program.  In one notable example, after barely squeaking out a win at home over a 1AA school, Bowden repeatedly referred to Jacksonville State as "Troy."  Rumors abound that he has missed parts of practices and maybe even a pre-game speech.  Florida State clearly lacks a leader, and the best available leader, Jimbo Fisher, isn't allowed to lead because he lacks head coach in his title.  Officially, Florida State has a head coach, an assistant head coach, and an executive head coach, but Fisher holds none of those titles.  So despite his status as the heir-apparent, he is unable to effectuate the changes Florida State's crumbling program so desperately needs.  Insiders say it is Fisher and some offensive assistants, notably James Coley, who are managing to hold the program together by its threads.  

Many football people realized Bowden needed to go years ago.  The most vocal among them has been Jeff Cameron of 1270 The Team, who has been shunned by Bowden since 2001, when he was the only one publicly stating that Bobby Bowden was no longer an effective coach or leader.  Cameron recaps much of the Lost Decade in this Audio Clip.  But Bowden had built up so much goodwill, that it was difficult if not impossible to get rid of him.  So the program continued to become more and more antiquated.  Bowden said he knew what was wrong and that he would fix it.  Unfortunately for Bowden, the problem was and continues to be himself.  The loss to South Florida struck a chord with many longtime complacent FSU fans, who had long been happy to sit idly by as Florida State continued to slide, accepting of the role as the most underachieving team in college football (relative to talent and resources, of course).  Maybe it was USF's proximity to many of their homes.  Maybe it was the lackluster play.  Whatever the reason, FSU's fanbase woke up.  'Nole fans wrote letters.  They protested.  On TomahawkNation.com, membership increased 5% in the week following the South Florida Debacle.  People spoke their minds.  They threatened to speak with their wallets come next season.

Some inside the program had enough as well.  The leaks began and soon the 'Nole's fan base was aware of the rumors of coaches fighting other coaches in practice (literally), and lame duck coaches doing everything in their power to undermine the few coaches who will be trusted to take Florida State back to prominence.  

Then came the Boston College game.  In one play, FSU's 106th ranked defense allowed more yards to the Eagles than Boston College had gained in their entire game against Clemson.  Players and coaches were seen arguing on the sideline.  Rumors swirled of an altercation on the team plane on the way to the game.  Whether true or not, the true measure of just how bad of a job Bowden was doing was that most Florida State fans believed the rumors.  The team needs a leader and Bowden is incapable of providing that leadership.  He's out of touch, and the gap between his loyalty to some and distrust of others is widening.

Bowden couldn't have handled the losing any worse.  He said that the fans were lucky he still wanted to coach the 'Noles.  He called those who questioned his son's play-calling "Playstation All-Americans."  Former 'Nole All-American quarterback P.T. Willis lost his broadcasting job after describing the offense directed by Bowden's son as "high school."  

Bowden's comments increasingly show a lack of awareness for the situation.  He stated that he would decide whether he continues to coach, failing to show any deference to his employer, Florida State University.  After the Boston College loss, Bowden was downright flippant, and it was again all about him:

"What would I gain by stepping down right now? Fire everyone and bring in a whole new coaching staff? You can't do that. I'm going to evaluate myself, but I'll wait to the end of the year."_  Bobby Bowden

Mixed with his refusal to acknowledge the terms of Fisher's agreement- which calls for Fisher to be named the head coach by January 2011 or be paid a $5 Million penalty, the comments angered Florida State fans.  Eight years of poor effort and squandered resources, all while being compensated $2.5 Million per season, and yet he would be the only one to evaluate his position?  His team, under his leadership, is just 4-6 in their last 10 games against Division-1 teams, 19-24 against BCS teams (without Duke).  The Noles have lost their last 4 home games against Division 1 competition.  And yesterday, Bowden showed that he just doesn't care.  After a long line of excuses blaming the players for the loss, and failing to accept any of the blame, he added this gem:

"50 percent of the teams in the country last week got beat. Fifty percent of them. They're all asking the same questions you are. This is part of football. You win some, you lose some." ... "This ain't the first time I've been through this."_ Bobby Bowden

Worse yet, many wonder how much Bowden cares about the 'Nole's program.  His comments after his son's firing and antagonistic treatment of the fan base left a sour taste in the mouth of many.   The real problem though, is his lack of public acquiescence to the succession plan.  Fisher and recruiting coordinator/ prized tight ends coach James Coley overhauled much of the recruiting problems that made the 2006 and 2007 classes a colossal failure.  They successfully brought in excellent classes in '08 and '09, and the team is now comprised of 71% underclassmen, brought in by them.  Fisher directed the ACC's top offense last year and won Offensive Coordinator of the year.  This season, Florida State is the only team in the nation to have played three ranked teams and average more than 400 yards of offense.  But despite that, the 2010 recruiting collapse is fast crumbling.  Recruits aren't buying what FSU is selling because they fear that Bowden will try to stay on past the specified date.  Bowden won't name his retirement date.  Florida State has already lost verbal commitments from its top two prospects.  Another verbal commitment re-opened his recruiting and will now visit other programs.  Several prospects who were considered "'Nole locks" just a few short months ago, pledged their services elsewhere.  And the recruiting problems can be tied directly to the Bowden family, as the prospects referenced some recent reckless comments from disgraced former Auburn coach Terry Bowden (Bobby's son):

Terry Bowden -- Bobby's son and the first-year coach at the University of North Alabama -- believes his father should coach as long as he wants, regardless of any promised payout by FSU and Fisher.

"Pay him (Fisher)" Terry told the Birmingham (Ala.) News. "What did they pay (former Auburn coach) Tommy Tuberville when they fired him ($5.1 million)? What are they going to pay dad when they fire him? Nothing. He's retired. I'm just saying pay him and keep going."  

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Opposing coaches showed the comments to the top recruits, who decided they wanted none of that.  Of course, Bowden could have remedied the situation by publicly announcing his retirement date.  He has refused to do so.  Terry's comments further alienated Florida State fans, who were more than a little miffed that a coach who had been paid as a top flight leader for the past 8 years while producing far less than top flight results, would feel entitled to a severance package, particularly when he was continually signing 1-year contracts.  This refusal to announce a retirement date, combined with the refusal to publicly acknowledge the succession plan, has many 'Nole fans feeling Bowden will not go quietly and will need to be fired or not renewed without his consent.  It doesn't help matters that his representatives were rumored to have sought a 3-year extension, which would directly conflict with the succession plan, triggering the $5 million penalty.

Recruiting is the lifeblood of any program and Bowden is no longer relevant in the recruiting world.  Recruits rarely cite playing for Bobby Bowden as a reason to come to Florida State.  Current recruits were only 8 years old when Bowden won his last National Championship.  That setting a definitive exit date is now his most valuable recruiting tool is ironic, but true.

Bowden has already lost this team.  Under his watch, some of the lame duck assistant coaches have begun pursuing self-interests contrary to the interest's of the team, often to the direct detriment of the program.  He causes and allows the fractured leadership dynamic plaguing Florida State's program to continue.  He outwardly appears to delegate his authority, yet he continues to exert his misguided and out of touch influence with disastrous results.  Some of the current players don't see him as the leader.  One prominent player said this about him and his role:

"You get used to it.  He's like a grandpa.  You know you shouldn't disrespect him." 

He's repeatedly addressed the team with instructions contrary to what the other coaches have taught, or with information that is just inaccurate, particularly concerning opponents.  His embarrassing pre-game speech (a must watch) is routinely used by other coaches to negatively recruit against the 'Noles.  

But after the Boston College game, he lost the fans as well.  Florida State fans are organizing a movement to Black Out Bobby Bowden.  If the Facebook Group is any indication, the support for the movement is skyrocketing.  In less than 24 hours after its creation, the group's membership has swelled to over 2,200 supporters.  This Saturday's game against Georgia Tech is likely to be FSU's last nationally televised game this season, and according to organizers, the plan is to  have fans wear black to protest Bowden.  At the rate the group is growing, more than 80% of Florida State's student section may be decked out in black come Saturday night.

But the real shock of just how little political capital Bowden has left came from the media that covers him on a daily basis.  The first shot was fired in Sunday morning's edition of the Tallahassee Democrat by Steve Ellis.  Ellis has covered Bobby Bowden and the Seminoles for the better part of three decades.  

"It is time to move beyond the Bobby Bowden Era. ... Let players - current and future - know that the Jimbo Fisher Era has a starting point - and that starting point begins once this season is over.  'I'll evaluate myself. I'll wait to the end of the year,' Bowden said. It's too late for that. He has lost that right."

Losing the home-town paper is huge in college football.  It drives the local opinion, particularly when the writer is one like Ellis who is not an extremist.  When asked about an article of this magnitude, an editor from another similarly sized paper had this to say:

It is very, very unusual for this type of column to be written "hot" - that is, on deadline. Usually if the paper is going to take this kind of stand it is done in a calculated way - the editor and even the publisher get involved and carefully craft the column (or editorial) with the writer. If Ellis wrote this on his own and the weekend editor was the only person to read it, my guess is there will be a massive storm at the Tallahassee Democrat today (Sunday) and Monday. This is the kind of thing that can cause unbelievable friction between the newspaper and the university. If Ellis didn't go through the right channels on this, it's the kind of thing people get fired for.

Having said that Everybody should understand what this means. This will be the story Saturday night on ABC/ ESPN. They will show pictures of his column and it will be the entire pre-game show as it pertains to FSU. This will do a lot to hasten Bowden's departure, in my opinion.

You can all diminish the power of newspapers if you want, but this proves the undeniable fact that newspaper still wield tremendous power and this is probably the single biggest thing that could happen outside of the university to bring about the regime change we all so fervently crave.

Fisher can now wink at recruits and say "OK, you see what's happening now. I can't tell you BB is leaving, but even the newspaper has it figured out." It gives him an article to counter the trash Terry Bowden spewed.

While Ellis went out on a limb and fired the loudest shot, others had their pieces ready as well.  The Orlando Sentinel's Mike Bianchi had his own column, similarly calling for Bowden to step down at the end of the season, and to announce his intentions immediately.

Bowden deserves to coach until the end of this season - but only until the end of this season. The original plan of him coaching next season before turning over the program to coach-in-waiting Jimbo Fisher must now be scrapped.

That plan was based on FSU improving this season and then being ready to challenge for a national title next year. That's not happening. The Seminoles are not on the way back; they're on the way backward.

Up and coming beat writer Andrew Carter, also of the Sentinel, announced he was planning a week-long series detailing the problems of the football program. 

But it seems that Ellis may not have taken as big of a risk as it first seemed...

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It appears he had some great comments lined up from the most powerful man at Florida State-  Board of Trustee's Chairman Jim Smith, who has also served as State Attorney General, and Secretary of State, has had enough.  Check out Ellis' aritcle, then come back.  I want to expound upon some of the more important parts.

  • It is extremely important for a voice of the administration- the only people over Bowden, to speak out.  While the criticism of Bowden is warranted, the administration has done a terrible job of failing to keep their 80-year old renegade in check.  A strong statement from the administration was long overdue. 
  • Smith understands what I said above about recruiting, and he adds the crucial quote about donations, noting that FSU's fans have been more than patient and all the goodwill, and thus the money, is gone.  I've seen evidence of that.  Multiple Tomahawk Nation readers have offered to give away their season tickets because they will no longer support the program if Bowden is around.  Smith seems to grasp the concept that the announcement must come now.  He also notes that Florida State fans have had the patience of a saint.  He's right.  What other major program would put up with Bowden's nonsense for 8 years? 
  • In furthering the idea that the change will be made at the end of this season, he simultaneously eases recruits and booster's uncertainties by announcing that Fisher will receive a 5-year contract.  That 5-year contract tells recruits that Fisher will be at Florida State for their entire career. 
  • He also calls out president T.K. Wetherell, who is regarded by many as Bowden's lap dog (Wetherell played for Bowden at Florida State).  Smith seems intent on not allowing Wetherell, who announced his retirement in June (expected to step down in early 2010), to skate on this issue, or worse yet, to sneak in a contract renewal for the man that is killing Florida State Football.
  • Thankfully, Smith points out how Fisher doesn't have a voice of authority on the team because he is pushed down in the chain of command by virtue of not having "Head Coach, Executive Head Coach, Assistant Head Coach, or Administrative Head Coach" in his title.
  • Finally, Smith smacks those who weakly support Bowden on the claim that he has not produced a losing season.  Apparently those people now include Bowden with his "50% of teams lose every weekend" comment.  Smith reiterates that Bowden hasn't earned the right to coach forever and that head coach at a top 10-15 quality program in the country is not a volunteer position.  "We're not paying to support an average or mediocre program," Smith said. "We're paying for a quality program, and we're not getting that right now."

Smith came out with more comments today:

Smith said that arrangement has resulted in division among the Florida State staff, an accusation Seminole coaches have vehemently denied.

"I know coaches are sniping at each other and that's just terrible," Smith said Monday. "There are too many mixed signals."

Jim Smith said Monday the arrangement with Bowden as head coach and his successor, Jimbo Fisher, as offensive coordinator isn't working.

"We've got too many bosses out there," Smith said.

"Jimbo is in a very, very tough situation where people assume he has a whole lot more authority than he really has," Smith told The Associated Press. "He's getting blamed for a lot of things that's just not his fault."

He also said fundraising has slowed significantly, and the school has an obligation to fans and alumni to be competitive.

"I take absolutely no pleasure in this," Smith said. "I love Bobby Bowden, but I tell you what, I love FSU more."

Smith also goes on to say that Jimbo Fisher should take over immediately following the final game of the season.

Democrat writer Corey Clark wonders if this can end well for Bobby Bowden?  I believe that his only hope for a graceful exit is for someone from his family, or someone close to him, to take him aside and let him know the situation.  But so far, his family has done nothing but exacerbate the situation, allowing him to shoot off at the mouth and embarrass himself and the program, while adding in inflammatory comments of their own.  There's a nasty rumor circulating that Bowden went to some boosters and tried to rally support to buy out Jimbo Fisher, so that he could coach long enough to outlast Joe Paterno for the all-time wins record (which he will not get due to the disgraceful academic cheating scandal and some really dumb scheduling moves), and then pass the job on to his son Terry, who currently coaches at DII North Alabama, a squad loaded with ex-Florida State players.  The chat boards say his plea fell on deaf ears.  I don't personally believe all aspects of the story, but what reason do Florida State fans have to believe that he will handle this situation with grace?  As the Lost Decade draws to a close, I cannot think of any.

As for Fisher, he is currently catching some heat from FSU fans.  He is not perfect, but one must remember to examine his performance at Florida State within the context of the sham that is Florida State's fractured leadership dynamic.  He has to try to be the head coach and the offensive coordinator, yet he isn't allowed to be the head coach, or even the number two or number three in charge, but if he doesn't try the team will fall apart because those in the positions officially above him aren't capable or willing to do their job- UGH!  It's not quite as simple as a team not punching the ball in from the goal line in consecutive games.

He produced the top offense in the conference.  Offensive coordinator of the year.  12 of the 22 starters are underclassmen (from his recruiting classes).  7 of 11 offensive starters were recruited by Fisher.  Florida State's most promising young defensive player- Greg Reid?  Also recruited by Fisher, who had to convince the soon to be lame-duck defensive coaches to take the kid.  Coached under Nick Saban, the master of organizational structure in college football, and brought in people to completely overhaul FSU's recruiting, which had produced the back to back disastrous recruiting classes of 2006 and 2007 (less than half of those players, recruited under the old way, remain on the team).  71% of the Scholarship (non walk-on) roster is underclassmen recruited under Fisher's changed recruiting philosophy.  The few changes Fisher has been allowed to implement in the area of recruiting have payed huge dividends and did so immediately. 

He also did a tremendous job to recognize quarterback Christian Ponder, whom the previous staff will admit was seen as a throw-in scholarship player, expected to provide depth somewhere down the line and nothing more.  He had the guts to bench ineffective but beloved three-year Senior starting quarterback Drew Weatherford and start Ponder, just a redshirt sophomore last season.  When Ponder at times looked more like a runningback than a quarterback, he stood by him, and raised the bar, calling him possibly the most talented quarterback he had ever coached.  And this year, Ponder is arguably the best quarterback in the ACC, throwing for more than 270 yards in 4 of the 'Nole's 5 games, with only 1 interception in 181 tosses.

While he's very good, he is not perfect.  As I mentioned, FSU fans have not been happy with two goal-line failures in recent games.  That's valid criticism, but that's not looking at the whole picture.  going for 4th down on the opponent's goal line is overwhelmingly the right call, not just because the team is extremely likely to score, but because of the negative leverage field position it leaves the opposing team in should the offense fail. The expectation is that the other squad will not turn around and mount a 90+ yard touchdown drive, as the Noles defense allowed following both situations, but that the offense will soon have the ball back in favorable field position 

Additionally, year after year, total offense is a much more consistent indicator of offensive proficiency than points scored (sounds crazy, I know).  Simply put, looking at total offense instead of points scored is more likely to tell you which offense will likely continue to be good.  It's just less fluky.  Teams that consistently move the ball will score and continue to move the ball, but teams with a few fluky scores probably won't consistently pull that off in the future.

This season, 19 teams have played 4 or more opponents with a winning record.  Florida State is one of only 4 squads to average more than 400 yards of total offense against those opponents.

Name Total Offense per Game
Michigan State 420
Purdue 412
Florida State 404
Wake Forest 404
Florida Atlantic 384
Ohio State 382
Washington 378
Bowling Green 367
Colorado 355
Virginia Tech 352
Clemson 327
Minnesota 319
Syracuse 318
FIU 309
Tennessee 307
Memphis 295
East Carolina 293
New Mexico 281
Virginia 272

 

Even more specific,only  6 schools have played 3 games against teams currently ranked in the AP top 25.  Here they are, again with their Total Offense Per Game against those top 25 schools.

Team Total Offense/ Game
Florida State 401
Miss. St. 386
Miami (FL) 335
Illinois 296
Georgia 279
Va. Tech 268

Under Fisher's command, FSU is the only team to face three currently ranked opponents and average more than 400 yards of total offense. 

But the real takeaway is that he and his few quality offensive assistants (Coley, Trickett, Dawsey), work hard even when the other coaches on staff are not putting in the same effort, not working towards the same goal as they try to prop up their own image to secure future employment- even to the detriment of the team, or simply don't have the talent to coach major college football.  And the small but dedicated group has produced results despite some coaches actively trying to undermine them.

Finally, because he has been here, Fisher and his offensive assistants have a unique understanding of the problems that plague this program, and are in the best position to act as the change agent, because they can hit the ground running and change only what needs to be changed without wasting time on unnecessary changes.  He might not be the right guy, but he has shown a lot in his time here, has a great coaching pedigree, and FSU has to let him coach to find out if he is indeed the right guy.

Florida State has Fisher's two excellent recruiting classes on which to build, but those kids deserve to be coached by coaches who have an appropriate combination of ability and desire.  A third excellent recruiting class could have Florida State well on its way back to national prominence.  But allowing this recruiting class to come up short could trigger a disastrous chain of events for the 'Nole's.  If Bowden doesn't care enough about the program he built to leave before he causes its complete collapse, then Florida State must care enough about itself to prevent the collapse.  If Smith is any indication, it appears that they now do.

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this is huge!

what do you guys think the impact will be in recruiting?

If you build it, they will come.

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by stevegrizzle on Oct 5, 2009 4:38 AM EDT reply actions  

usf and bc losses were well worth the pain

If you build it, they will come.

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by stevegrizzle on Oct 5, 2009 4:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

what do you think of the rumors of jimbo getting a 5 yr deal?

obviously good for recruiting but that is a lot to offer up even though I do think he will be sucessful

If you build it, they will come.

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by stevegrizzle on Oct 5, 2009 4:47 AM EDT reply actions  

In furthering the idea that the change will be made at the end of this season, he simultaneously eases recruits and booster’s uncertainties by announcing that Fisher will receive a 5-year contract. That 5-year contract tells recruits that Fisher will be at Florida State for their entire career.

What matters is the buyout. To do anything less than 5 years is dumb. Who will commit to a coach with a 2 or 3 year contract?

by Bud Elliott on Oct 5, 2009 4:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly

5 years is necessary because it basically let’s an incoming freshman/potential recruit know that the administration will basically be in place for their entire career. The kids will be with us for 3-5 years in most cases.

by truenole87 on Oct 5, 2009 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’ve always felt you need to give a coach at least 4 years to show you something, so giving him a 5 year deal seems to be a good course of action in my opinion. I agree with FSUn about the buy out clause. That’s always the most important part of the deal.

by evenflow58 on Oct 5, 2009 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wow.

Can it really be?

by Drew J Jones on Oct 5, 2009 5:10 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

I still have a feeling

Coach Bowden is not going out without a fight.

by Nolefan8 on Oct 5, 2009 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bring it on.

It’s his legacy now. What shred is left of it.

by TRMNole on Oct 5, 2009 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Im just worried about TK trying to sneak in some last minute deal but with

the Chair of the Board very publicly putting it out there I can’t see it happening.

If you build it, they will come.

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by stevegrizzle on Oct 5, 2009 5:14 AM EDT reply actions  

Great article

This needs to get major exposure… link, forward, mass email it… get the word out.

by Moojenowski on Oct 5, 2009 5:42 AM EDT reply actions  

Here we go

Hopefully it works this time

by Moojenowski on Oct 5, 2009 5:55 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

I hope the result is the same...

I know, politics can get you BANNED! but The person this poster was taken from was a rockstar hero and supposed to cure all our ills… even with best intentions, it ain’t happening and we are closing in on a year. My 2cents… and I have a right to it. Jimbo will NOT take us back to the glory land and we will be saying adios to our version of Ron Zook and looking for… ? Saban ? in 3 or 4 years. This is classic… I am going to enjoy this.

by wolffbird7 on Oct 5, 2009 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

We're glad you'll enjoy an FSU failure

What is that bitter taste? Could it be sour grapes?

>>---l>

by DKfromVA on Oct 5, 2009 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

sour grapes? possibly

Just cannot wait to see how long of a “honeymoon” period we have here. I mean, there is the built in excuse of the “lost decade”. holy horse***. I guess there are a good 2 dozen schools with a rich history who could claim a lost decade. I am not saying there should be no change, or that I cannot see the inevitable, I just am amazed at the rumor mongering and the he said/they said blah blah blah that is going on. This is not fly-by-night coach with a short track record. If I was Frank Beamer and Mack Brown (list of others) I would watch and take notes… yes, they are not near 80, but the same blood thirsty hounds will come for them.

by wolffbird7 on Oct 5, 2009 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

kill--- seems a bit like overkill

In describing this situation. I wish I had of been reading and listening to Michigan sites the past couple years or Notre Dame. I bet they REALLY were making the keyboards smoke. If FSU is what is being said, goody goody for everybody. I have a sister I don’t agree with and do not like how she handles things, but I don’t turn my back on her. I will continue to care, watch, etc… but my limited funds and travel plans will not center around this anymore ( I know, nobody cares, save the time telling me) What always made this special to me was the history and tradition and the loyalty that to 99% of the country this program stood for. That is my feelings and again, whether I am agreed with or not, I want to share them. I kinda enjoy being chastised… humbling experience

by wolffbird7 on Oct 5, 2009 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

But that works both ways...

One minute the argument is how-oh-how can we be mediocre… 9-4, etc… no 10 wins since my baby was born and he started school this year, etc… when there are at least a dozen schools with similar size and stature that can say the same thing. Should that be acceptable? NO. But it should be put in perspective. Then, the big guns are mentioned and we go back to being just husky dogs fighting on par with giant, trained to kill dogs. The conference crap gets brought up… well, ACC is not SEC. Big East is not ACC. There is an argument for any opinion, and nobody is totally wrong. I will say, as I have said… it is a shame how this is going to go and the bad taste it will leave in THOUSANDS of mouths. I still wish that the whole defensive staff would be sent packing and Bobby would, and agree with, letting JF pick his staff and have next year as the transition and limited authority… you know, if the NCAA penalty does not take his wins, that might still happen. Nobody knows for sure until a final announcement is made.

by wolffbird7 on Oct 5, 2009 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

You still don't understand the resources

FSU’s location, facilities, tradition, and many other things give us the ability to be an elite program. We recruit out of gold mines of talent. There is no reason we can’t have a sustained program that is a perennial ACC favorite.

>>---l>

by DKfromVA on Oct 5, 2009 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

You are beinging tears to my eyes

Put a picture of Bobby on your night stand.

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by DocHoliday2 on Oct 5, 2009 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jeff Bowden,

Get back to work designing that jump ball pass play to Marcus Sims. I’m sure it’ll wreck havoc on North Greenville.

by coonhound on Oct 5, 2009 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

THANK YOU!!! FINALLY SOMEBODY ELSE BESIDES A FEW OF US HAS TAKEN NOTICE!!!!

He bleeds Garnet and Gold, She bleeds Crimson and White. AND THEY BOTH HATE ORANGE! GO NOLES!! ROLL TIDE!!

by gonolesrolltide on Oct 5, 2009 6:07 AM EDT reply actions  

Questions

1. How did you get that quote from a player calling him “grandpa”? I’m not asking who, just how.

2. The staff literally said they considered Ponder nothing more than depth chart fodder?

And I took Smith’s quotes to mean he wanted TK to take care of this mess now because he didn’t want an incoming President to have to handle it, NOT because he thought TK would re-sign Bobby.

by tricknole on Oct 5, 2009 6:18 AM EDT reply actions  

Bowden called Ponder a "program guy."

Meaning he was a guy who was here to fill a spot.

If you look back at Jimbo’s preseason presser (check my archives, I wrote the story around the middle of August) he was asked specifically about this comment by Steve Ellis.

by MattDNole on Oct 5, 2009 7:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Players aren’t allowed to speak without interview requests, and the athletic department won’t recognize ours, so I won’t be revealing the identity of the player. I will say that I have the interview on tape, but that won’t be needed.

Yes, Bowden & Co. thought Ponder was depth chart fodder.

by Bud Elliott on Oct 5, 2009 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Can we just put this old dog down now?

"I focus on the pain, the only thing that's real........ What have I become, my sweetest friend, everyone I know goes away in the end"
Nine Inch Nails "Hurt"

by Jonathan Loesche on Oct 5, 2009 7:16 AM EDT reply actions  

ESPN comments

A lot of commenters on ESPN think Bowden should stay. Amazing. Most of them are probably Gator fans looking for a free win at the end of every November.

by tpamike on Oct 5, 2009 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

ESPN posters aren't all that intellegent

2009 Rays Baseball: Welp.....we'll try again in 2010
2009 FSU Football: Bobby Bowden.........it's time to go
Be a TRUE Seminole: http://www.seminoles.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/071509aab.html

by JMB on Oct 5, 2009 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

I generally post on message boards that have fans of a variety of teams on them. I’ve been able to get a decently wide perspective on the Bowden situation and you’d be surprised how many neutral fans think Bowden should stay.

I think the realities of the current situation have either not got out or not sunk in with many neutrals. They either think Bowden is trying his best and just having hard times, or that Jimbo has been put in charge and is not up to snuff.

Of course those of us who live and breathe with the program realize neither of those are true. Bowden’s actions are downright harmful to the program and Jimbo is one of our few bright spots.

I try to be patient with them. They don’t deserve the same rebuke that FSU fans who still cling to Bowden should get.

by 38Noles on Oct 5, 2009 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well

certainly the uneducated should not receive the same treatment as the obstinate.

by Bud Elliott on Oct 5, 2009 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is really catharic and extremely saddening.

Bobby’s staff and ‘coaching’ has ruined many young careers in football. this past 7 years. Luckily, there were many who were simply too talented for it to drag them down.

Our players deserve so much better than this trash. It’s really sad that Jacobbi McDaniel is in the position he is, saying that the culture of the defense is depressing, shiftless and lazy, so much so that he feels HE, as a freshman, needs to lead the others by example.

I really try to focus on the ‘future,’ and looking forward to Jimbo. But sometimes it’s too much to just not lash out at what these……monsters have done to kids who put their futures in their hands.

I hate that I have to be “JIMBO 2010” on the outside, when my inside has so many four-lettered words ti hurl at that old man

by pillsburysoldier on Oct 5, 2009 7:21 AM EDT reply actions  

Cheer up. It's a good day.

Not that I don’t understand. (Believe me.) But there’s one thing we’ve been waiting years for. Wow, literally years: The Board of Trustees.

How ugly will it get? That’s up to Bowden now. And that’s why it’s so important we do our job of galvanizing the base around Jimbo.

by TRMNole on Oct 5, 2009 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thats what I keep thinking about

Are we a loud enough voice for Jimbo to think its worth the aggravation? I want him to feel that people know, that we understand its not his fault (Im not saying he is perfect) and that we want him to get his shot.

If by chance he reads this: I BELIEVE IN YOU JIMBO!

by Miaminole on Oct 5, 2009 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Many believe in Jimbo. I belive in Jimbo. The BOT believes in Jimbo. I think even TK believes in Jimbo

The only people that don’t believe that change is needed are those with the last name “Bowden”

2009 Rays Baseball: Welp.....we'll try again in 2010
2009 FSU Football: Bobby Bowden.........it's time to go
Be a TRUE Seminole: http://www.seminoles.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/071509aab.html

by JMB on Oct 5, 2009 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

2009 Rays Baseball: Welp.....we'll try again in 2010
2009 FSU Football: Bobby Bowden.........it's time to go
Be a TRUE Seminole: http://www.seminoles.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/071509aab.html

by JMB on Oct 5, 2009 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

And here comes Gene W. to save the day, not one second before he gets the green light that Bowden is fair game.

Why anyone would donate another 10-spot to that guy’s amateur pr0n site for not-even-with-your-d*** butterfaces after this weekend is beyond me. Hey Gene, you’re part of the problem!

by TRMNole on Oct 5, 2009 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I won’t comment on everything, but I will state that Gene’s blog last week was in-step with what Steve Ellis said this week.
He also let the snarling dogs finally attack the Old Regime without consequence.
Just sayin’.

by The K-Man on Oct 5, 2009 2:05 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

For those who don't appreciate who Jim Smith is

Jim Smith was one of the biggest Nole fans out there in the 70s and early 80s. Before the rise of big time sports agents, Jim would put on his lawyer hat and helped many a Nole negotiate their first NFL contract. He was big time in bringing Bobby Bowden to FSU to begin with, and at least was a well-known friend of Bobby.

Him turning is huge!

About the only ones that would be bigger if a Charlie Barnes, TK, a Burt Reynolds, or a Derrick Brooks turned on Bobby.

by Wild@Heart Nole on Oct 5, 2009 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think the quote above disrespecting Jim

Was a shot @ Warchant. It sounds to me like when Jim Smith speaks, FSU moves. Clearly him bringing Bowden here was a good move and I am happy to see that he has confidence in Jimbo.

I do not understand your attachments to the past and refusal to see time as a variable, but I do agree that Jim Smith is a bright spot on FSU.

by Trus1te on Oct 5, 2009 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I do not understand your attachments to the past and refusal to see time as a variable, but I do agree that Jim Smith is a bright spot on FSU.

????
WTF?

by Wild@Heart Nole on Oct 5, 2009 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jim Smith was also....

Attorney General of the State of Florida
A Distinguished Florida legislator
Secretary of State of Florida
When he talks in our state capitol, people listen

Old School Nole

by chokeindoak on Oct 5, 2009 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think everybody is misunderstanding here

TRM and I were referring to two different infamous and vastly uninformed posters in a sarcastic manor. And I think Wild was just pointing out how momentous this event is. Nobody is doubting how big of a role Jim Smith plays.

>>---l>

by DKfromVA on Oct 5, 2009 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

If anything

I say Jacobbi, Reid, Demonte, Jenkins, Bradham, Carr and all of our other young defensive players are very fortunate at this point. Maybe with a breath of fresh air, a new regime on the same page will be a shot in the arm and we can get back to true player development. These kids are young and have 2 or 3 years worth of development that is still to be had. We’re planning for the future and I expect solid hires. Quality coaches realize the type of talent they’ll have to work with at FSU and the type of talent that can continue to be worked with in years moving forward! I’m even more excited about the fact that kids like Christian Jones, Jeff Luc (still skeptical but hoping), LJ, Telvin Smith, Nigel Terrell and others will likely be coming in to a fully competent, enthusiastic staff of coaches. Darious Cummings, Tavaris Barnes and any other DE we pick up won’t be wasted on Jodey sh*tbrain Allen! Chuck Amato? GONE! Seriously im happy beyond belief. My only hope is that this season isn’t completely wasted because I’ve seen flashes of brilliance from this football team and don’t think we need to flush this season just yet. The future appears to be looking up right now.

by truenole87 on Oct 5, 2009 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hopefully the new DC

And such respects the talent we already have. The young guys have a tools to be a great defense…Lets just hope that Jimbo is wise enough to get someone in here who believes the same thing.

by Trus1te on Oct 5, 2009 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's amazing how something can be so welcomed and yet so tragic

I put a lot of blame on BB’s family for allowing this to happen — what a terrible disservice the they have done, enabling him in this way. They should have been easing him down for a graceful exit, now they’ve got Jim Smith calling him out, for heaven’s sake.

The only thing I would add to this otherwise magnificent piece is that I hope some of the younger folks understand the gravitas that Jim Smith brings to this discussion.

He really represents the duration of the Bowden era and is one of the more powerful men in the state — that’s certainly so when it comes to FSU.

Losing his support is like losing a Kennedy’s support in Massachusetts.

My question is: Is it possible TK will fight this and if so, what would that mean?

by Fsued on Oct 5, 2009 7:51 AM EDT reply actions  

Agreed, the Bowdens have shown themselves to be...

greedy, selfish, vengefull, etc.

They are showing themselves to be without character.

by noles55 on Oct 5, 2009 8:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

I put a lot of blame on BB’s family for allowing this to happen — what a terrible disservice the they have done, enabling him in this way. They should have been easing him down for a graceful exit, now they’ve got Jim Smith calling him out, for heaven’s sake.

They have the chance to remedy some of it by guiding him towards a more graceful exit.

My question is: Is it possible TK will fight this and if so, what would that mean?

I don’t think so. I think he may be the one who can speak to Bobby. They are close apparently.

by Bud Elliott on Oct 5, 2009 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Bobby Bowden = Enabled.

You can’t blame just Bobby for Bobby’s egregious behavior. It’s like having a rotten child, but the parents tolerate the behavior.
Did I just define “enable”? Waste of key strokes.

by The K-Man on Oct 5, 2009 2:08 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

my week is off to a good start....

interested to hear what “humanbeing” has to say about this? Just askin…..

by Florida_State on Oct 5, 2009 8:19 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

I'm sure I don't need to say this, but, anyway, the old fart's not done yet.

He still believes he’s got it and will exercise his stupid whims and enable his stupid coaches along the way to his being forcibly removed.

UNTIL HE STEPS DOWN, the black-outs must go on.

I’m starting to believe the only way to have him quit voluntarily is to publicly humiliate him.

by pillsburysoldier on Oct 5, 2009 8:20 AM EDT reply actions  

That won't matter

He’s been publicly humiliating himself for about 8 years now.

by PBD on Oct 5, 2009 8:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

He doesn't even believe he got humiliated, though

It really has to be the crowd telling him he’s a jackass on national television

by pillsburysoldier on Oct 5, 2009 8:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

he'll simply say...

“dadgummit, they want Joe gone a few years ago and he turned it around, ya know it? This ain’t the first time I’ve been through this. We’re one or 2 plays way, ya know it? An interception here, a fumble there…’ John! Get Back, Get Back, there’s a man coming’…We’ll get there, ya know it?”

by jasonole59 on Oct 5, 2009 8:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Only if it's said in the right language

like, Bobby, we’re not paying you anymore, and your idiot son is never going to coach here.

what was the line in Office Space? We’ve fixed the glitch?

by PBD on Oct 5, 2009 9:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Had to look it up, it was killing me

This is how you get rid of BB…(BB is Milton in this example)

Bob Slydell: Milton Waddams.
Dom Portwood: Who’s he?
Bob Porter: You know, squirrely looking guy, mumbles a lot.
Dom Portwood: Oh, yeah.
Bob Slydell: Yeah, we can’t actually find a record of him being a current employee here.
Bob Porter: I looked into it more deeply and I found that apparently what happened is that he was laid off five years ago and no one ever told him about it; but through some kind of glitch in the payroll department, he still gets a paycheck.
Bob Slydell: So we just went ahead and fixed the glitch.
Bill Lumbergh: Great.
Dom Portwood: So, uh, Milton has been let go?
Bob Slydell: Well, just a second there, professor. We, uh, we fixed the glitch. So he won’t be receiving a paycheck anymore, so it’ll just work itself out naturally.
Bob Porter: We always like to avoid confrontation, whenever possible. Problem is solved from your end.

by PBD on Oct 5, 2009 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Meanwhile....

Jeff Bowden installed a computer virus before he left that secretly deposits fractions of a cent into his bank account every time someone buys a ticket or buys a coke. Somehow, he’s raking in hundreds of thousands of dollars a year off of this crazy accounting glitch.

by coonhound on Oct 5, 2009 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

I guess I should have said "quietly"

But, yes, they wrote a helluva virus.

And they might write another for Papa Bowden

by coonhound on Oct 5, 2009 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Boosters should ask Bowden to write them a check

let’s call it a “refund” for the crap that’s been put on the field the last few years and for flushing recruiting down the toilet.

by FSUjab on Oct 5, 2009 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

He’s already said that…and they aren’t competitive a couple years later.

Who’s John?

by PBD on Oct 5, 2009 9:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

John was the generic name Bobby used in a pregame interview...

When he was asked what they could to prevent the big pass play, his response was “hey John, get back”….

by jasonole59 on Oct 5, 2009 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh

So John Mangum?

by PBD on Oct 5, 2009 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

allegedly... here's a recap from scalpem.com

11. Asked by ESPN’s Holly Rowe as how to stop the numerous big pass plays plaguing FSU’s defense this season, Bobby Bowden responding as to what needed to be done, "Hey John, get back there." Perusing the FSU roster of defensive backs I see a Greg, a Patrick, a Jamie, a A.J., a Dionte, a Justin, a Ricardo, a Chad (presumably not a hanging Chad), a Gerald, a Darren, a Jajuan, a Ed, a Korey, a Nick, a Terrence, a Jeff ….. but no John. Who is this "John" of which Bobby speaks and if he’s the one responsible for all these big plays given up why is Mickey still playing him?

http://www.scalpem.com/blog/2009/10/03/deceptively-random-and-deceivingly-meaningless-thoughts/

by jasonole59 on Oct 5, 2009 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Won't work

I’d love to see the Blackout, really I would. I think it will show the administration that the fans are paying attention and that they are capable of banding together to effect change.

But if you honestly think Saint Bobby gives a flip about what the fans think, you haven’t been listening to him the past 8 years. He doesn’t give a crap about the fans, and it’s doubtful that he gives a crap about the team at this point.

Remember, we’re just lucky he’s here……

by PBD on Oct 5, 2009 9:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh I'm well aware, but he made it seem like he thought it was just a vocal minority

A stadium full of people in his face yelling “Bye Bye Bobby,” a la the sign at WVU….part of me thinks that could make him say “Okay I’m [dadgum] done.”

by pillsburysoldier on Oct 5, 2009 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

No

“I’ve been through this before….”

In his mind, he’s untouchable. Fans can’t touch him. Only the administration putting the smackdown on him will be any real change.

I agree with the blackout, but it has to be geared at showing T-f***ing-K that HE HAS TO GROW A PAIR and do what is right.

CTC is the same. As long as BB is there, CTC thinks he walks on water too.

Someone needs to tell him that he will be fired for talking to any player that is not a linebacker

by PBD on Oct 5, 2009 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Shouldn't be allowed to talk to anybody.

Put CTC in the corner for the remainder of the year and let him think about all the harm he has done to the program. If necessary, a Dunce Cap will be provided.

I say let Nigel Bradham take over as player/LB’s coach. I’m willing to bet that the knowledge that he learned in high school far out weighs anything Chucky has ‘taught’ him.

Not an alcoholic, just an FSU grad.

by onebarrelrum on Oct 5, 2009 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Beast mode vs. Breast mode.

I think I’d take 13 over a couple of b*tch slaps and a smack across the shoulder with a curling iron.

by TRMNole on Oct 5, 2009 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

NOBODY PUTS CTC IN A CORNER!

>-----:----:------>Spear 'em then Scalp 'em

by FrankDNole on Oct 5, 2009 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hahahahha

annnnnnnnnnnnnd I wake back up. Damn this thread get LONG

by pillsburysoldier on Oct 5, 2009 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, everyone PLEASE forward this excellent article to all your 'Nole friends and family.

This is a very easy way for all of us to do our part. Either copy-and-paste the thing in an e-mail or forward this link http://www.tomahawknation.com/2009/10/5/1069590/finally-report-florida-states#comments (just took it from my web browser – trying to make this as easy as possible – post the link on your Facebook, wherever you want), and kindly BEG your friends and family to read it. I told mine it was a 15-minute read (do warn them), and it was a fair analysis and not anti-Bowden. I also told them it was a breaking national story that every Nole fan needed to know about. Stay positive. If freaking I can do it, you can.

Uncensored, this is tremendous.

by TRMNole on Oct 5, 2009 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Added it to mine

Even though I don’t have many friends.

by coonhound on Oct 5, 2009 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Already getting very positive responses.

“Great Article! I signed up last night on the Black out Doak on Facebook.” – from someone who wouldn’t listen to me even a year ago.

by TRMNole on Oct 5, 2009 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks HROB3

I had the notes put together for a while, but it took longer than I thought.

by Bud Elliott on Oct 5, 2009 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

I've been wondering, "How's it gonna end," since 2000.

At first it was funny when Bowden trotted out his tired, hackneyed joke about there being one more big event in life once you retire. I chuckled in 2001. I grinned in 2002. But then I started scratching my head as the years went on and Steve Ellis would report the joke from last night’s Boosters banquet in his offseason columns. “He really means that,” I would think to myself. “He’s terrified of dying, as if coaching football is a fountain of youth.” If anything coaching football has made an old man even older. Maybe he thinks that as long as he walks the sidelines at Doak, he’ll stay young. Meanwhile, we’ve all seen the declines, both physically and mentally. He’s only fooling himself.

So, when I first asked myself, “how’s it gonna end?” I imagined a royal send off. Bowden goes out on top, becomes a regular contributor on ESPN or CBS and graces Doak Campbell at home games. But as that tired joke about dying went from amusing to now absurd, I envision something messy. I said in a post last week that I thought Bowden would seek at minimum a year-long sendoff next year. The official transition year, if you will. But, I’m not sure that Bowden is even ready to embrace that, which is ridiculous. And of top of that, the administration is not in a place to keep this transition smooth, clean and rumor-free. The administration is as dysfunctional as the coaching staff right now.

Does Bowden throw Andrews under the bus? Does Amato demand the DC job? Do we see a record number of transfers next year? Does Bowden get into a sparring match with Boosters through the media?

So how do you all think it’s gonna end?

by coonhound on Oct 5, 2009 9:32 AM EDT reply actions  

Sparring match

I expect Bowden to pout through the rest of the year, and for Chuck and co to follow suit. Then once the season is over Bowden and Chuck will snipe at FSU, Jimbo and the fans to whoever will listen to them. Bowden is going to feel wronged because he honestly thinks he is one player, one player, one recruiting class away from another run and nobody in his inner circle has the brains or balls to tell him different.

by osceolafan850 on Oct 5, 2009 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

i can see Bobby, Chuck, Jody and others....

….Leaving a metaphorical Upper Decker for Jimbo to deal with next year and beyond. Lisen alla’ ya’ll, it’s a Sabotage!

by The K-Man on Oct 5, 2009 2:30 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Good post

I expect some really ill-advised comments, and expect him to get paid to shutup. They won’t renew his deal.

by Bud Elliott on Oct 5, 2009 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Does he get a Jeffy deal?

Or a one-time see-ya check?

Honestly, I wouldn’t spend a $.01 more than we’re already committed to. Even to shut him up. Who takes him seriously now anyway?

by coonhound on Oct 5, 2009 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think he gets 2.5 million

1 million is already in his contract. I expect he’ll get an additional 1.5.

by Bud Elliott on Oct 5, 2009 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Seems about right

I’d love to see his timesheet

by coonhound on Oct 5, 2009 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

i don't think

we need to do that b/c of what he did do for the school

He bleeds Garnet and Gold, She bleeds Crimson and White. AND THEY BOTH HATE ORANGE! GO NOLES!! ROLL TIDE!!

by gonolesrolltide on Oct 5, 2009 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

It was a joke.

Did you really think I want a statute of Jim Smith in front of Doak? C’mon man.

by FSUjab on Oct 5, 2009 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

always chuckle when I say that phrase with the Reagan voice.

Jimbo should take down Bobby’s practice field tower, but don’t destroy it.
Save just the top platform section and convert it into a hovercraft.
Instead of napping from 50 feet up like Bobby, Fisher will whirl around the practice field giving general’s order to players and coaches.

by The K-Man on Oct 5, 2009 2:35 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

ESPN picking it up is big

No more trying to hide it now Bobby, questions will have to be answered. Hopefully Jimbo can get back those committs we lost now that this is coming out!!!

He bleeds Garnet and Gold, She bleeds Crimson and White. AND THEY BOTH HATE ORANGE! GO NOLES!! ROLL TIDE!!

by gonolesrolltide on Oct 5, 2009 9:40 AM EDT reply actions  

Honestly

I think he’s scared of what will happen once he leaves. I think he remembers that the Bear died a week after he retired from coaching and I bet that is why he is still trying to hang on.

He bleeds Garnet and Gold, She bleeds Crimson and White. AND THEY BOTH HATE ORANGE! GO NOLES!! ROLL TIDE!!

by gonolesrolltide on Oct 5, 2009 9:43 AM EDT reply actions  

I’m sure Terry has a spot for him at North Alabama.

by CSI Nole on Oct 5, 2009 11:45 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I agree.

In his book he said his dad died right after he stopped working. That’s why I always hoped we could work something out where he could have a b.s. job in the athletics department where he could come in and watch the price is right in his office or even watch practice from his tower or whatever he wanted to do, as long as he wasn’t involved in actual coaching. Recruits that wanted to meet him could see him on visits and whatever. Basically, we would allow him to just hang out (kind of like he’s been doing except not taking away from our limit on coaches or having any type of authority). But its been way past this for a long time.

by nolesblogger on Oct 5, 2009 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fox sports has a quick article on it as well.

http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/story/10170844/Report:-Trustees-chair-thinks-Bowden-should-retire

Two kinds of people are supporting Bobby, other teams fans that will never have to go through this type of thing because they fire there coaches after a couple of down years, or FSU fans that support Bobby over the program.

I tell anyone that asks me, Bobby earned the right to go out on his terms, but he has bought into those terms with the HCIW deal. With rights come responsibilities, he needs to make a definite statement as to his plans so that the rest of the program and the administration can make informed decisions. If he won’t state his terms in times like these, he loses the right to control the situation. It is disrespectful to anyone that has supported him all these years for him to stomp all over that loyalty and support.

by WBisaNOLE on Oct 5, 2009 9:51 AM EDT reply actions  

he needs to make a definite statement as to his plans so that the rest of the program and the administration can make informed decisions.

And the plan needs to be formed in conjunction with the administration.

by Bud Elliott on Oct 5, 2009 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Now we can all understand

better why certain rules should only be broken after very careful consideration. The minute Bobby got his way – in violation of the nepotism rule – he became (in his mind) greater than the university. He hasn’t looked back since. He has played us for whatever he can get and I’m talking the university, the boosters, certain coaches and the fans. What a disgrace this has become.

by POCONOLE on Oct 5, 2009 10:23 AM EDT reply actions  

Freeeeeeddddommmmmm!

(sword flies through the air and sticks in the ground with the music playing in the background)

by Tyler_155 on Oct 5, 2009 10:24 AM EDT reply actions  

Credit Jimbo for seeing beyond all of this BS and being extremely patient

in waiting for his opportunity. Yeah we still don’t know if he’s the “man” yet. But, I think we can all agree he’s done the best he can given the current situation.

We need a massive showing at the GT game. Let those “Jimbo in 2010” signs fly high for the cameras and for the nation to see. Better yet let’s change it to “Jimbo in 2009”.

"Necessity is the mother of taking chances."
- Mark Twain

by DarkestOS on Oct 5, 2009 10:30 AM EDT reply actions  

Do you think BB will care that we all wear all black.

Also wonder if it would bring a smile to JF that the fans are more behind him that the coach that made FSU what FSU was and now is. (Great and crap)

Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry

by Desman on Oct 5, 2009 10:52 AM EDT reply actions  

Absolutely it will bother him.

He won’t let anyone know it. But I guarantee it will eat away at him, just like the Bye Bye Bobby sign did at his prior coaching job.

Bobby has a huge ego. This blackout will chip away at that ego and keep him up at night.

by MKE Nole on Oct 5, 2009 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Best news since the season began.

Or since 2007 when Jeff got canned. Either way, great news and a great article. I wont rest easy until the official announcement is made, but the foundation is definitely there.

Now the fun part begins. Who stays (Trickett, Coley, Stroud, T Buck?) and who goes (everyone else)? Who comes in to replace them? How will recruits react? Can we salvage a good to great recruiting class? It wont all be easy, but exciting times are ahead. New, young blood, more energy, a motivated team… can we just fast-forward to the 2010 season already? GO NOLES!

by HanzoSteel on Oct 5, 2009 11:02 AM EDT reply actions  

Jimbo has handled all of this with class

I am so impressed with how Jimbo has kept his mouth shut thru this whole saga. I know I personally wouldn’t have been able to keep my cool the way he has … not even close. I have faith in Jimbo.

On a related note, does anyone else think we could still rally to win the division or at least keep our bowl streak alive if the announcement happens this week? I think everyone in the program is carrying a tremendous burden. If Bobby announces he is retiring then the last half of the season can be a celebration and I bet the team would play much better. Mickey’s burden would be relieved. They could play for pride and to honor Bobby and Mickey. It might even make me regret selling my Maryland ticket. Go ’Noles!

by Frieds2222 on Oct 5, 2009 11:17 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

On a related note, does anyone else think we could still rally to win the division or at least keep our bowl streak alive if the announcement happens this week?

No, the announcement won’t fix the issue of no leadership and really poor defensive coaching. Even with the announcement, 7-5 would be a miracle.

We must guard against thinking that removing Bowden is an immediate fix.

I think our kids play extremely hard, they just have no direction from the coaches, haven’t been taught proper technique, etc.

by Bud Elliott on Oct 5, 2009 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

First and Last Season.

There is every chance that Bobby’s last season at FSU ends up like his first season.

by MumbaiNole on Oct 5, 2009 11:18 AM EDT reply actions  

For the people that cannot see past the tip of their nose and want us to "clean house"...

Besides all of the obvious catastrophes that would create for the Program, let’s also try not to be so hypocritical. The argument in the past for keeping Bobby on was how loyal he was to FSU, what he’s done for FSU, etc., etc. Does the same not apply towards Jimbo? Has his recruiting and tireless efforts not proven what HE has done for the Program? And loyalty! The guy had an offer to go to ALABAMA when he was brought on to coach again with Nick Saban, then West Virginia (as THE HEAD COACH) last year, yet chose this mess instead! He knew what he was up against and has taken it head on, even when currently BETTER offers were on the table. If that does not earn him a shot as our Program’s Leader, what does?

by HROB3 on Oct 5, 2009 11:19 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

I don't think Jimbo is loyal to the program,

but that doesn’t matter. WV is not FSU and Bama did not have a direct route to a HC position. The 5 million is what has locked Fisher in. Fisher is looking out for himself, which is the right thing to do, as long as he does it with integrity. I would love to have the problem of losing Fisher to the NFL after he turns the program around. That is not a prediction, but a possibilty. Bottom line, It is in the best intrest of the program to do what is in the best intrest of Jimbo Fisher at this point.

OH YEAAHH!

by TBfisherman on Oct 5, 2009 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

I didn't explain myself well...

You are right on point. I’m not naive enough to think that decisions are made by guys like Jimbo based off of their “feelings” towards a Program. This is BIG business. My point was to call-out the ridiculous arguments being made to “clean house”, or worse, keep Bobby for the reasons stated. I do disagree with the WVU not being FSU, the Bama not being a direct route to a HC positions, and let’s not forget to throw Auburn into the mix. WVU is not what FSU was, but their Program this decade has been superior to ours. Bama may not have been a direct route, but as a high profile job that is combined with their recent success, it is not a reach to think someone would have come after him. Then there is Auburn. SEC, lots of money, rich tradition, bigger stadium. Yes, a losing season last year, but they have been much more relevant over the course of this decade than we have. Anyways, I certainly do not want to argue with you, we’re on the same side here – especially on the Program keeping Jimbo being in the best interest of the Program.

by HROB3 on Oct 5, 2009 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with most of what you said as well.

I guess we will have to agree to disagree on WV. They don’t have the recruiting base, tradition, facilities, or potential that FSU has. Just look at the conferences. As far as current team and recent record, you have a good argument there. I think FSU has an advantage over Auburn because we don’t play in the SEC so we have an easier road to more titles if we get things under control. I could see Jimbo taking a HC job there as a good move if there wasn’t 5 million involved though.

OH YEAAHH!

by TBfisherman on Oct 5, 2009 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

GET. THE CONTRACT. DONE.

JIMBO 2010

CHANGE IS COMING

THIS NIGHTMARE WILL END

REJOICE, FSU FANS

2009 Rays Baseball: Welp.....we'll try again in 2010
2009 FSU Football: Bobby Bowden.........it's time to go
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by JMB on Oct 5, 2009 11:36 AM EDT reply actions  

TomahawkNation right again

I have had enough of BB.

And that is why over the last year I jump out of the box like a spring when people want to blame things on Jimbo Fisher. He has held this thing together and we have a quality offense right now. Can you imagine being in his shoes and having to say I think we should do it this way what do you think executive assistant coach Amato?

Team Total Offense/ Game top 25 teams
Florida State 401
Miss. St. 386
Miami (FL) 335
Illinois 296
Georgia 279
Va. Tech 268

I don’t know how many times around here I have said when Fisher says Ponder is a top flight quarterback and will play in the NFL that is the end of the discussion for me, it is so easy. He will too.

Honestly I quit paying any attention to what they say years ago. Their honchos have gator connections. Now Ellis and some of them are from South Carolina I believe but the core of it is all gator. They love seeing FSU lose.

The democrat forum is all you need to see. That forum absolutely discourages any FSU fan as they allow the most crude gator diatribe on it and I am not convinced many of them are not the democrat staff themselves.

They have been more supportive of Uf than FSU for a long time in my opinion. So coming out now in favor of getting rid of Bowden is about five years too late. I am not impressed. They probably would not be doing it now but my guess is local business people are beginning to speak up if for no other reason than lost revenue. Everybody is tired of this.

I have my own suspicions that Bud and TN may be a catalyst also. You have got to think they view this site as a thorn in the side. I can well picture demo and warchant execs having a discussion along the lines of hey this low maintenance forum is putting out more football information and telling the truth, people are flocking over there we had better gear our information more towards reality. It had to be a wake up call to them if nothing else.

Bowden has been his own worst enemy in the public relations arena. Some of the stuff he comes out with is damaging. Take for instance the fact that he admitted trying to have Jeff stay on and buck the administration and public mood. The latest that he did not see how resigning would benefit him! Say what Bobby, the gist is not how it benefits you. He has thought whatsover of how this benefits FSU. He has had a very lucrative career here but fan discontent has actually caused him a great distaste for FSU fans who he blames and has referred to us as play station All Americans.

My personal feeling is that he is a bitter man at this point, cares very little about what happens to FSU in the future and the hiring and keeping on of Amato is almost like taunting. If true this idea of Amato trying to attack people is unbelievable. He should be fired immediately. Better yet put Amato in a ring and let me go three rounds with him. I can settle this thing.

This "I will determine my situation" comment is more than I can handle but just like BB. He really thinks he is above the University. I am not sure senility hasn’t set in but it is way past time for him to announce he is retiring. The program I am sorry to say is losing recruits right now just because he will not make it clear he is out of there.

Recruits are the name of the game and every week this announcement is not made sets the program back that much further. As mentioned the other day Elam is looking around. There was a time when a recruit that did not want to go to UF automatically came on board at FSU. This is simply not the case these days. Near misses can be costly. A Marvin Austin, Brandon Thompson and a Corey Luiget going somwhere else can cost games.

This is where we are at right now and it needs to stop. Excuses by BB’s relatives on message boards don’t get it any more either.

It appears that two guys angling for another year of BB receiving a paycheck, Terry and Chucky just may have been the catalysts for ousting BB ahead of schedule. I am referring to the comments that boosters will buy out Jimbo made by Terry Bowden and Chucky continually going after the head coach in waiting. BB and his boys have cost him a lot of money. First by hiring his son. If he had hired Norm Chow he would probably be making 5 million a year like Saban

Also if he had a handle on things he would have fired Chucky after the first instance. He didn’t however. I am wondering if he thinks it is amusing or is just disaffected.

I hope you did not miss the part where Jim Smith alluded to the fact that Fisher not being accepted as the number one assistant blurred the lines of authority. This is a biggie. In other words you don’t put the linebacker coach over one of the premiere offensive coordinators in the country. This also shows a damaged BB ego when a new offensive coach was forced on him. Shot yourself in the foot again Bobby.

I would hope the trustees and the president get together and tell BB you can stay the season but as of now all major decisions will go through Fisher and as of now he is in charge of the staff including hiring and firing on the spot if sees the need. Just do the TV show Bobby and don"t get in the way.

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by DocHoliday2 on Oct 5, 2009 11:36 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

If Amato became DC I would burn something down

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by JMB on Oct 5, 2009 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

Jimbo will be fine

Jimbo will do a great job. Look at the statistical improvement year-over-year for the offense since he got here. Offensive player development under Jimbo, Tricket, and Coley has been very good. There are certainly some weaknesses offensively, but I am confident that the offensive staff has a plan to address and improve.

The defensive side of the ball is another story. I don’t think a few coaching changes are going to fix all those problems overnight although it should help. We may not have a decent defense until 2011. There are a lot of holes at end and a lack of depth at linebacker. Plus, our linebackers have the worse collective technique of any group I have ever seen (thanks Chuck).

Go watch tape of the OU / Miami game and watch how well coached linebackers fill gaps and read plays. I’m sick of having to watch other teams when I want to see good defense.

by IAHNole on Oct 5, 2009 11:38 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Very nice post

The defense will not become top flight overnight, but I think the new DC is going to like a lot of what he finds here. There is a lot of talent and a lot of talent available to be recruited in the 2010 and 2011 classes on that side of the ball, and I think we will be in a great position to be a solid team on defense fairly soon. It doesn’t take as long for defensive change to come as it does for offensive change.

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by DKfromVA on Oct 5, 2009 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

The problem is

A defense that doesn’t show any signs of being able to stop anybody.

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by DocHoliday2 on Oct 5, 2009 11:39 AM EDT reply actions  

We'll, if we get good defensive coaches, this might change

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by JMB on Oct 5, 2009 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Notably, it's the upperclassmen on defense who seem to be making mistakes or are MIA.

Dekoda Watson – where has that guy been? Is he even an NFL prospect still?
Jamie Robinson – after all the big practice reports and still a no-show.
Markus White – This ain’t JUCO anymore my friend.
Thacker, Mangum – need I say more?

I believe that these guys have talent (with the exception of . . . well, I won’t go there). Therefore, if they have talent and aren’t performing up to expectations, then either A) they aren’t working hard enough, 2) aren’t being pushed hard enough, d) don’t have sufficient coaching, or iv) all of the above.

by FSUjab on Oct 5, 2009 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

We have to love Watson though. He was the only player to come and thank the fans after the game at Boston College.

But I agree, lots of wasted talent.

by Bud Elliott on Oct 5, 2009 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

He is playing soft

I wonder if he has some lingering injury, or there’s something psychological going on. Is he playing mostly weakside?

by ricobert1 on Oct 5, 2009 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

and he was the only player to speak to the media after the last game in Hogtown.

The big, disruptive plays we all expected from Dekoda haven’t shown up yet, but find me another player that cares more.
If he hadn’t come over to the FSU section after Saturday’s loss it would’ve been a complete “WTF” moment for me.

by The K-Man on Oct 5, 2009 2:54 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

If we totally tank this season...

I think it can only help. A losing season would be better for the program than 7-6 again. Another season in mediocrity and the old man sticks around. If we don’t win another game this season I think it could only help get him out. It’s my senior year here, but for the good of the program I think a total collapse would be more beneficial. Look what has happened to Alabama, Auburn and Tenn. Terrible losing seasons and new HC’s (although it has yet to be seen if Chizik and Kiffin will pan out).

by KHow on Oct 5, 2009 12:05 PM EDT reply actions  

Head Coach Emeritus is done. This is his last season.

Even if he pulled seven straight wins out of his arse, which won’t happen, we already have a mediocre season. When the head of the Board of Trustee’s says “enough is enough” you can bet Bowden is done this year.

by FSUjab on Oct 5, 2009 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Should cost nothing

Since BB has no contract in place for 2010

Look at the 2000 AL ROY voting and try not to laugh.

by RaysnNoles on Oct 5, 2009 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

1 million is already in his contract. I expect he’ll get an additional 1.5

by Bud Elliott on Oct 5, 2009 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don't kid yourself

BB will get a nice parting gift from the boosters to bow out quietly and gracefully. Just like Jeff did.

by FtLauderdaleNole on Oct 5, 2009 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd rather give him next to nothing and let him run his mouth

No one’s listening anymore anyway. Why waste the money?

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2009 FSU Football: Bobby Bowden.........it's time to go
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by JMB on Oct 5, 2009 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Because TK won't fire him

They have to make it so that something is “in it for him” as he always says. The University will still try to make this as small of an issue as they can.

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by DKfromVA on Oct 5, 2009 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

He doesn't want to go, though. That much is evident.

If he had it this way, Jeffy would still be calling plays (Jeff’s resignation was Jeff’s idea, not Bobby’s). This will probably get worse before it gets better.

2009 Rays Baseball: Welp.....we'll try again in 2010
2009 FSU Football: Bobby Bowden.........it's time to go
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by JMB on Oct 5, 2009 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's true

But, if TK explains to him that it’s over after this year and offers him financial incentive right now to fund his family for years to come, he’ll be more apt to go more quietly than if it came to a cage fight with the board at the end of the year with less financial incentive. Bobby still cares about the money.

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by DKfromVA on Oct 5, 2009 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

But you and I both know he won't do that

Bobby cares more about his p!$$ing match with JoePa and this delusion that were “a few plays away”.

I hope I’m wrong. I hope he bows out gracefully. I fear he won’t and will make this an ugly conclusion to his career.

2009 Rays Baseball: Welp.....we'll try again in 2010
2009 FSU Football: Bobby Bowden.........it's time to go
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by JMB on Oct 5, 2009 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

We both know he doesn't want to

It depends on how much his buddy TK can talk him down. The more I hear, the more I think that a deal can be done sooner rather than later. Today might be an indicator. The booster luncheon and subsequent meetings may shed some light on the situation.

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by DKfromVA on Oct 5, 2009 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hope your right. I really do.

2009 Rays Baseball: Welp.....we'll try again in 2010
2009 FSU Football: Bobby Bowden.........it's time to go
Be a TRUE Seminole: http://www.seminoles.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/071509aab.html

by JMB on Oct 5, 2009 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tyler: Talent has to be recognized when you see it.

Freeeeeeddddommmmmm!
(sword flies through the air and sticks in the ground with the music playing in the background)

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by DocHoliday2 on Oct 5, 2009 12:26 PM EDT reply actions  

Thanks Doc

I thought someone might enjoy that

by Tyler_155 on Oct 5, 2009 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Added this to the story
Smith said that arrangement has resulted in division among the Florida State staff, an accusation Seminole coaches have vehemently denied.

“I know coaches are sniping at each other and that’s just terrible,” Smith said Monday. “There are too many mixed signals.”

Jim Smith said Monday the arrangement with Bowden as head coach and his successor, Jimbo Fisher, as offensive coordinator isn’t working.

“We’ve got too many bosses out there,” Smith said.

“Jimbo is in a very, very tough situation where people assume he has a whole lot more authority than he really has,” Smith told The Associated Press. “He’s getting blamed for a lot of things that’s just not his fault.”

He also said fundraising has slowed significantly, and the school has an obligation to fans and alumni to be competitive.

“I take absolutely no pleasure in this,” Smith said. “I love Bobby Bowden, but I tell you what, I love FSU more.”

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=ap-floridast-bowden&prov=ap&type=lgns

by Bud Elliott on Oct 5, 2009 12:26 PM EDT reply actions  

Smith reads TN, there isn't a doubt in my mind

Thank you, Bud, and thank you, Jim Smith.

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by DKfromVA on Oct 5, 2009 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's been circulating for a while

This is the first time someone within the university has commented on this

2009 Rays Baseball: Welp.....we'll try again in 2010
2009 FSU Football: Bobby Bowden.........it's time to go
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by JMB on Oct 5, 2009 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

One of two things has to happen

1. BB faces reality and announces that he is stepping down effective at the end of the season
2. TK announces that BB’s contract will not be renewed at the end of the year

Either one of these allows for the transition to begin earlier and to make said transition as smooth a possible.

2009 Rays Baseball: Welp.....we'll try again in 2010
2009 FSU Football: Bobby Bowden.........it's time to go
Be a TRUE Seminole: http://www.seminoles.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/071509aab.html

by JMB on Oct 5, 2009 12:33 PM EDT reply actions  

The people who say Bobby IS FSU bother me. Bobby was a big piece of the puzzle, but saying he is the ONLY reason FSU ever rose up is an insult to all the other players and coaches involved. The last few years especially showed how important those other factors are besides Bobby himself.

by Jaguar on Oct 5, 2009 12:33 PM EDT reply actions  

What is the possibility that Bowden stay but is stripped of all responsibilities?

Do you think he may play hardball and dig out some dirt about recruiting or some other scandals and insist on staying at least as a figurehead? I never in my wildest dreams thought I would hear myself say that and, having done so, feel a bit paranoid. However, I’m just trying to figure out how bad this is going to get. I could see TK and Bowden saying “Let him stay, Jimbo gets to rebuild all of the staff, run everything and Bobby will no longer wear a headset. Hell, we can even send him to the booth if necessary. But you’re not getting rid of him.”

Things can go in a really ugly direction, even after he is gone. I don’t know. Just tell me I’m over the top on this one.

Best case scenario, he is worn down after three more losses and just doesn’t have the energy to keep the fight up. Hell, if he announces his retirement, we should just throw him a great big party in Doak.

http://s825.photobucket.com/albums/zz178/unclefestus/

by GonzoNole on Oct 5, 2009 12:34 PM EDT reply actions  

This would be horrible. Obviously he wants to keep coaching. Most any position you put him in will cause problems because people will keep going to Bobby and ask him how this week’s practice or game went. That’s a question for the head coach. Had Bobby handled this situation better I would be fine with your suggestion but I can’t see that working out well.

If Bobby has stories of recruiting violations and goes public with them he would hurt himself on a few different levels and it would just ruin his reputation. I doubt he has any stories and if he did I doubt he would go public. Ultimately he’d lose.

by evenflow58 on Oct 5, 2009 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

If he had anything substantial

And did go public with it, it could be absolutely killer. With the thin ice we’re on with the NCAA already, more allegations and investigations could land a lack of institutional control penalty on our heads. This could kill the program for as long as Bowden himself could.

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by DKfromVA on Oct 5, 2009 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

If he has dirt on the program and tries to blackmail TK and the BOT into granting him one more year

What the hell do we do then?

2009 Rays Baseball: Welp.....we'll try again in 2010
2009 FSU Football: Bobby Bowden.........it's time to go
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by JMB on Oct 5, 2009 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think he will try for this

and threaten to go public that FSU “fired” him, in an attempt to get more money.

by Bud Elliott on Oct 5, 2009 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

At this point, though

Would anybody blame TK or the BOT if we were to fire him?

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2009 FSU Football: Bobby Bowden.........it's time to go
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by JMB on Oct 5, 2009 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh damn...

This is part of that “going out ugly” that I was refering to before.

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2009 FSU Football: Bobby Bowden.........it's time to go
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by JMB on Oct 5, 2009 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

No

Part of the problem (as outlined by Mr. Smith) is that there are too many bosses within the program. Keeping him around helps nobody

2009 Rays Baseball: Welp.....we'll try again in 2010
2009 FSU Football: Bobby Bowden.........it's time to go
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by JMB on Oct 5, 2009 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

You are over the top on this one.

You asked for it.

Seriously though, I think it has the possibility to get ugly, but it won’t. Bobby is smart enough not to drag the program through the mud since that would only further tarnish his reputation. The only way I think it gets real ugly is if he actually does have some sort of dementia (which is very possible). That would not be good.

by FSUjab on Oct 5, 2009 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

There should be no big buy out

When Smith says the funding is drying up the last thing you want to show boosters is well we are going to waste another one and half million to get BB out. You show them you are good stewards of their money and you give BB the one million the contract calls for and nothing else.

You don’t want another Jeff type buyout for no reason that fans will be griping about for years to come.

There needs to be a meeting of the minds however and make it clear that BB will announce his retirement forthwith or the administration will do it for him and it will diminish his image. A dunce could understand this.

It should also be made clear that major decisions from now on will silently go through Fiisher and if that does not sit well he has the right to fire staff. There is still a large part of the season to be played and there is no sense in just sitting on things and letting it slide without salvaging whatever you can.

The cat is out of the bag now so there can be no hiding the fact that major dissent is in the wind. Damage control is a mute issue at this point.

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by DocHoliday2 on Oct 5, 2009 12:45 PM EDT reply actions  

I agree, unless

Bobby has dirt on the program that he would go public with. I don’t doubt that he would, it just has to be ascertained how credible anything he says is.

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by DKfromVA on Oct 5, 2009 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Darious cummings

Checked his fb page last nite, he has a profile pic with south Carolina gamecocks jersey, says he enjoyed the visit to sc over the weekend. Looks recruiting for 2010 is going to be real sad

by DesiNole on Oct 5, 2009 12:46 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

I shudder to think what would be happening if this site wasnt in existence.

I dont need to blow up egos and blah blah blah, but the fact remains, our voice is being heard. It started as a distant sounding drum, but you cant pretend not to hear now. The banging drum is right in our faces. When I discovered this site after the Miami game last year, everyone still thought Bobby would go out gracefully. This site predicted otherwise. The statistacl analysis that has provided me the ammo to combat those who follow blindly. It is similar to recruiting an army. I have turned former blind followers into members for the cause. My knowledge is a weapon. A weapon I transfer simply by educating. I lose nothing, I give more, and I and gain immeasurably.
I walked into class today and people were ready to give me the business. They were startled when their taunts were met with smiles. The winds of change are blowing. The change will not be immadiately visible, but I can finally feel it.

Folks, we might have had our Wake moment.

So yeah, thank you Bud. You have been our voice, you have been our conduit to the masses. Those of us who love FSU more than any man are allowing hope to creep back in out our hearts.

I will end like this: Does anyone doubt that we would be further from freedom had there not been been a grassroots movement (read: this site) causing a stir for however long its been.

Its always darkest before the dawn folks. Our new day is coming.

by Miaminole on Oct 5, 2009 12:47 PM EDT reply actions  

I really hate to see it come to this.

Bowden built the dynasty that was FSU football. Now, he has to be removed to keep it from being completely destroyed. Good luck on fixing the culture.

P.S. From a recruiting standpoint, has Jimbo been associated with this “new culture” to long to wash the stink off? If he’s going to step in, I really hope so. As a ‘Cane fan, I’ve always looked at FSU as a little brother. We can beat up on you, but no one else can. The Gators are that cocky little step brother that came with the bitch our father married.

by Cane Ressurection on Oct 5, 2009 12:49 PM EDT reply actions  

LOL

Jimbo will be fine once the dust settles. That will require Clown Amato and Jody “I put the Special back in Special Teams” Allen to be canned and Mickey to retire.

by coonhound on Oct 5, 2009 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

If Jimbo is made HC this winter

That’ll happen within 24 hours

2009 Rays Baseball: Welp.....we'll try again in 2010
2009 FSU Football: Bobby Bowden.........it's time to go
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by JMB on Oct 5, 2009 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

What do you mean?

Didn’t you see all of Chuck Amato’s tweets when he was recruiting Carol City and Miami Northwestern?

Hard worker, that Chuck Amato.

by coonhound on Oct 5, 2009 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Might as well give up on Miami Northwestern.

With the success of the kids from last year, I think we have a stranglehold on that school.

I look for a major housecleaning once Jimbo takes over. A much needed, and overdue, housecleaning.

by Cane Ressurection on Oct 5, 2009 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know.

Seriously, what has happened? Y’all are like a team that has escaped from the mental ward. 20 schizophrenics weraing the uniform, plus Ponder and Reid. I’ve never seen a higher high and lower low for a team in this short a time span.

by Cane Ressurection on Oct 5, 2009 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOL

20 is conservative

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by DKfromVA on Oct 5, 2009 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Easy diagnosis.

A lack of leadership and blurred lines of authority.

When responsibility and authority are no longer in sync, your organization will suffer break downs. In our case, they built it into the system purposefully.

by coonhound on Oct 5, 2009 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I never thought I'd say this, but

I feel sorry for the fans of FSU (no sarcasm). As a Cane, I know what it’s like to have that aura of invincibility taken away, and I know we are the last ones to actually see it. “Dammitt, we’re still FSU/Miami!!!!!”, but the reality is we’re not. There is no FSU/Miami in college football anymore. Gone are the days of chalking up wins weeks ahaed of time, gone are the days when FSU could fall behind a Clemson, just to rally back in the second half and never look back until you win by 20. Teams don’t fear us the way they used to. No one is feared anymore, that’s what parity brings. It’s great if you’re a fan of Cincinnatti or VaTech, but for fans of traditional powers, i.e US, it is horrible. Parity is the communism of sports, and it’s downright unAmerican. : )

We ‘re finally getting it together, and y’all are no worse than we were two years ago. Now go get the right people in place, and return to the glory Coach Bowden once took you to.

by Cane Ressurection on Oct 5, 2009 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Imagine if Coker was even more out of touch

and was untouchable and basically delusional for 8 years.

Canes Resurrection, you seem like a canes fan and a decent guy, which I’ve not often come across.

by Bud Elliott on Oct 5, 2009 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

If he had stayed for 8 years he would have been.

The man (literally) recruited from scout and rivals. There was no recruiting coordinator on board. He would go online to see who to recruit.

by Cane Ressurection on Oct 5, 2009 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

That is my main focus right now recruiting

The best way to lure some of these players back is forcing BB to say he is gone and having the one half of the staff that is functional go and talk to them. This is job one not losing these recruits. Make Bobby sing!

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by DocHoliday2 on Oct 5, 2009 12:49 PM EDT reply actions  

It's getting out pretty quick

It’s on yahoo, msn, cbs, nbc, and every other major sports broadcaster out there.

He bleeds Garnet and Gold, She bleeds Crimson and White. AND THEY BOTH HATE ORANGE! GO NOLES!! ROLL TIDE!!

by gonolesrolltide on Oct 5, 2009 12:55 PM EDT reply actions  

Can't wait until October 16!

The first day of collge basketball pre-season training. We’ll be just as excited as Kentucky and Vandy. Ain’t that something? FSU fans looking forward to the start of basketball season. How low can we sink? Pathetic.

by Dunder Mifflin Employees on Oct 5, 2009 12:57 PM EDT reply actions  

I've seen every episode and have no recollection of what you're talking about.

My DVR also skips 2-3 secs at least 3 times each episode though, so that could explain the problem.

by nolesblogger on Oct 5, 2009 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Got it

I was looking for some metaphor for college basketball.

by nolesblogger on Oct 5, 2009 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ooooh.

Sorry. Yeah I’m talking about the screen name.

by MattDNole on Oct 5, 2009 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

just saw last week's episode

last night on dvr – lmao in the context. watch it on hulu if you missed it…

by beachnole05 on Oct 5, 2009 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

God let's hope this is

the end of the coaching Stoogeathon we have been stuck with the past decade!

by POCONOLE on Oct 5, 2009 1:03 PM EDT reply actions  

Dennis Dodd is an idiot

I thought what he said about Tebow was ridiculous but this is much, much worse.

There is talent in Tallahassee. Lots of it. Give Tommy Tuberville that team (for example), I bet he wins the ACC or comes damn close.

How do such uninformed individuals have a voice on such a grand scale?

Look at the 2000 AL ROY voting and try not to laugh.

by RaysnNoles on Oct 5, 2009 1:12 PM EDT reply actions  

Well....lets be honest

The ACC Atlantic is garbage this year

2009 Rays Baseball: Welp.....we'll try again in 2010
2009 FSU Football: Bobby Bowden.........it's time to go
Be a TRUE Seminole: http://www.seminoles.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/071509aab.html

by JMB on Oct 5, 2009 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yup

Read that, too. We really don’t know if Jimbo is the answer, but we’ve never given him a chance.

Soon we will and soon we will know if he is what we think he is

2009 Rays Baseball: Welp.....we'll try again in 2010
2009 FSU Football: Bobby Bowden.........it's time to go
Be a TRUE Seminole: http://www.seminoles.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/071509aab.html

by JMB on Oct 5, 2009 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Odell Haggins

He was recently named as one of the six best defensive line coaches in all of college football by Dennis Dodd of CBS Sports.

Look at the 2000 AL ROY voting and try not to laugh.

by RaysnNoles on Oct 5, 2009 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

True

Honestly, you could still win the Atlantic, but do you really want that to happen. Play in the ACCCG, and Bowden has incentive to habg around next year. Go ahead, hit rock bottom and clean house. Trust me, the bottom is made of rubber, you can bounce back pretty quickly.

by Cane Ressurection on Oct 5, 2009 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm torn

I want to see us do well, but not good enough to warrent BB coming back

2009 Rays Baseball: Welp.....we'll try again in 2010
2009 FSU Football: Bobby Bowden.........it's time to go
Be a TRUE Seminole: http://www.seminoles.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/071509aab.html

by JMB on Oct 5, 2009 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

*warrant

2009 Rays Baseball: Welp.....we'll try again in 2010
2009 FSU Football: Bobby Bowden.........it's time to go
Be a TRUE Seminole: http://www.seminoles.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/071509aab.html

by JMB on Oct 5, 2009 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can't imagine how tuogh that must be.

It was hard enough to hope your team does bad enough to run a Larry Coker off, but you can’t be a fan of college football period, much less a fan of FSU without wishing BB the best.

by Cane Ressurection on Oct 5, 2009 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Alright, FIRST

I sooooo have copyrights on “The Lost Decade.” I practce IP law in part, and the copyrights attached the moment I created the phrase. Therefore, I hereby offer you an unlimited, worldwide, non-teminable, non-exlcusive, and fully-paid up license to use the phrase as and when you please, in exchange for a free subscription to this site. (Oh, uh, just disregard all of the foregoing if someone else came up with the the phrase first : )

Second, I had no idea about some of these shennanigans and Bobby’s refusal to acknowledge the succession plan and the desire by his family to keep the gravey train rolling. But I’m not suprised. If Bobby is not acknowledging it, then Amato is not acknowledging it. They both actually thought they would be here for years to come, and were trying to keep Jimbo from getting too uppity.

by FiestaNole on Oct 5, 2009 1:20 PM EDT reply actions  

I'll give it to you

if you hook me up with a job. I graduate in 8 months, and I will keep “The Nepotism Era.”

by Bud Elliott on Oct 5, 2009 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wish I could help, Bud.

I really do. You have a fine mind and boundless energy.

I’ll keep my eyes open for you.

by FiestaNole on Oct 5, 2009 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

As an employer, I'd never hire Bud.

“How’s that weekly status report coming along? No worries, Bud. Just wrap up that 4,500 word article on Marlyand’s base defense and get started on work after lunch.”

I kid, I kid.

by The K-Man on Oct 5, 2009 4:08 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

FSU winning out does not warrant BB coming back

Look at the 2000 AL ROY voting and try not to laugh.

by RaysnNoles on Oct 5, 2009 1:20 PM EDT reply actions  

Nothing SHOULD give him a reason to come back

But you know that’s how he’ll spin it anyway

2009 Rays Baseball: Welp.....we'll try again in 2010
2009 FSU Football: Bobby Bowden.........it's time to go
Be a TRUE Seminole: http://www.seminoles.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/071509aab.html

by JMB on Oct 5, 2009 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just want to go to a bowl

That’s all i want out of this year’s team now

2009 Rays Baseball: Welp.....we'll try again in 2010
2009 FSU Football: Bobby Bowden.........it's time to go
Be a TRUE Seminole: http://www.seminoles.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/071509aab.html

by JMB on Oct 5, 2009 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think you are following

It doesn’t matter what Bobby or Matt Hayes for that matter think. The contract is being finalized for Fisher and the trustees have said enough is enough.

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by DocHoliday2 on Oct 5, 2009 1:21 PM EDT reply actions  

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=ap-floridast-bowden&prov=ap&type=lgns&success=1#comments

Just can’t believe how clueless people really are!!!!

He bleeds Garnet and Gold, She bleeds Crimson and White. AND THEY BOTH HATE ORANGE! GO NOLES!! ROLL TIDE!!

by gonolesrolltide on Oct 5, 2009 1:21 PM EDT reply actions  

Dear Lord,

Please grant me the ability to punch people in the face over a standard TCP/IP connection

2009 Rays Baseball: Welp.....we'll try again in 2010
2009 FSU Football: Bobby Bowden.........it's time to go
Be a TRUE Seminole: http://www.seminoles.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/071509aab.html

by JMB on Oct 5, 2009 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought about that but you have to sign up

I am a little burned out dealing with retards anyway,.

Playstation All American, right again!
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Better to bear the rebuke of the wise than to hear the song of fools

by DocHoliday2 on Oct 5, 2009 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

There is a compromise available

FSU can work out a deal with Samford University. Get Bobby to go back there and coach his remining years. He can finish up with a few more wins against such major college foes as the University of Mexico (note: not NEW Mexico), the Tennessee Tech Freshman Team, and Gordon Junior College. That’ll make everyone happy.

by Dunder Mifflin Employees on Oct 5, 2009 1:21 PM EDT reply actions  

Sooooo..........

What do you think topic #1 on Jeff Cameron is gonna be today?

2009 Rays Baseball: Welp.....we'll try again in 2010
2009 FSU Football: Bobby Bowden.........it's time to go
Be a TRUE Seminole: http://www.seminoles.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/071509aab.html

by JMB on Oct 5, 2009 1:27 PM EDT reply actions  

What can Bobby do

to help save face at this point? Yes, he is probably right that he can’t just go off and fire staff in the middle of the season. But here’s some of what he CAN do, as soon as today, to help stop the bleeding:

1) Publicly come out in support of Jimbo as his successor.
2) Strip all other coaches of any titles that could be even vaguely construed as having as-much-as or more importance/power/responsibility than HCIW.
3) Allow Jimbo to fully delegate coaching staff responsibilities and give Jimbo the power to hire/fire at the end of the season.
4) Announce a definite retirement date.

As some others pointed out above, this could/should be done in conjunction with the administration and their goals.

by Aussierat on Oct 5, 2009 1:34 PM EDT reply actions  

all sounds good, except for a few little things:

There’s money and pride and ignorance standing in the way of all that.

by FiestaNole on Oct 5, 2009 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

...and a little bit of senility

Look at the 2000 AL ROY voting and try not to laugh.

by RaysnNoles on Oct 5, 2009 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

More than a little bit.

That’s why it’s hard to get mad at him. Bowden 15 years ago would step down before settling for meiocrity, or worse.

by Cane Ressurection on Oct 5, 2009 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

All he would have to do is #4. Really, the best thing he can do is set a date and ride it out. Answer the questions he’s asked in a respectful and politically correct manner and defer all questions about the future of staff and players to Fisher. This would give him the rest of year for the fairwell tour he isn’t interested in but it would help scab over the hurt feelings some fans are thinking. Plus it would help ticket sales.

by evenflow58 on Oct 5, 2009 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

To much to read but Im being told the trustes are wanting BB out now.

Its almost like a wild fire. Why couldnt people hear us at the end of last season. Why o why BB We loved you man we would have done anything for you. But NNNOOOOO you had to go and be like this. It will be ok you wont be forgoten. at least I hope not.

Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry

by Desman on Oct 5, 2009 1:55 PM EDT reply actions  

Forget that...

why couldn’t people hear me in the 2003?

by FiestaNole on Oct 5, 2009 1:59 PM EDT reply actions  

How much more torture can we take?!

I understand that BB has built this program from the ground up but is he really under the mentality that “I built this and I can take it down just as easily”? Do we have to watch Bowden destroy a program we all love so dearly? I’m sorry but it’s just too painful to watch the lack of energy and spirit coming on that field every game. It seems like no one wants to be there. Even the fans were completely silent almost the whole game when we played USF. The Seminole Nation is losing heart and fans.

by bekanole on Oct 5, 2009 3:43 PM EDT reply actions  

What a read!

What if Bobby had retired after the 2001 loss to OU. Everyone would be rightfully hailing him as one of the best coaches in college football history, up there with the Bryants and Staggs and Hayes and Neylands and whomever. I guess money talks more than legacy after all.

We don’t know if Jimbo is the answer, as Saban’s right-hand man, I’m eager to find out.

"Your eyes can decieve you. Don't trust them." Obi-Wan Kenobi, the first sabermetrician...

by Curtain Jerker on Oct 5, 2009 3:46 PM EDT reply actions  

Here's one for ya.....

What if FSU had promoted the OC at the time to HC. How you think the ’Noles would be doing now?

by Cane Ressurection on Oct 5, 2009 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Do you mean Richt or Jeffy?

Because Richt left right at that time. We would love to have had and still to have Richt, believe me.

>>---l>

by DKfromVA on Oct 5, 2009 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Glad we didn't

Richt is the master of very good. His teams are undisciplined, lack mental toughness, etc. He gets his but whipped by the likes of a Saban, Meyer, Carrol, etc.

I am a Christian, but I honestly do feel Bowden and his coaching tree of his sons, Richt, and Scott, all spend (or spent in the case of the 3 fired sons and Scott) way too much time trying to convert their team. They are paid to do a job and don’t put all their effort into that job.

by Bud Elliott on Oct 5, 2009 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

But, hindsight being 20/20

I think we would’ve preferred 8 years of Richt to the last 8 years we’ve had wouldn’t we?

>>---l>

by DKfromVA on Oct 5, 2009 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

sure

if you’d have been content with 3 losses per year.

by FiestaNole on Oct 5, 2009 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, it's better than what we had right?

It might put us in a precarious position now, but I’d take consistent 3 losses and a shot at the ACC later in the season any time compared to what we have now.

>>---l>

by DKfromVA on Oct 5, 2009 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

He would have a shorter leash than Bobby's 500-mile roll of monofilament.

No way they’d let Richt be as dismal as Bobby for nearly as long.

by The K-Man on Oct 7, 2009 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

could only read that espn string for about 3 posts

but loved the knowledge dropped by "frank"D on those fools, nice work. hopefully its not falling on deaf ears

also, F ann bowden

by beachnole05 on Oct 5, 2009 4:04 PM EDT reply actions  

I was definatley talking about Richt.

I don’t believe in kicking someone while they’re down. I won’t even make you think about what a Jeff era would be like.

If UGA doesn’t pick it up, you might could buy out Richt’s contract. I doubt he’d leave though. No one wants to follow the legend.

by Cane Ressurection on Oct 5, 2009 4:05 PM EDT reply actions  

We don't have the money to buy out both Jimbo and Richt

And I don’t think many of us would want to anyway. A lot of us here have faith in Jimbo and think he’ll be a great head coach. He comes from the Saban mold and understands organizational structure, and he recruits well and relates to the kids. Once he gets his own staff in, I think he’ll do well.

>>---l>

by DKfromVA on Oct 5, 2009 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's hard to replace the legend, but

Jimbo has been in the program long enough get his feet wet.

Question is, Has Jimbo’s organization rubbed off on the program or the other way around?

by Cane Ressurection on Oct 5, 2009 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've heard this asked

The thought, “is he now tainted by association?” My answer would be no, as he is clearly fed up with the regime and is instituting his own change. He’s taken over defensive recruiting and brought in guys with size to change the culture. He does a lot of things completely independent from and very different from the established culture. I think he has the work ethic and actual intellectual capacity to institute change and be a very solid head coach for us. Only time will tell, though.

>>---l>

by DKfromVA on Oct 5, 2009 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's what I was hoping to hear.

Even though we are rivals, I cheer for y’all all year, save one week. I don’t want my program to step over a rival due to them falling on hard times. I want my team to step up, not FSU fall below. That is the difference between us and a Gator. They want the upper hand however they can get it. I want to beat elite teams and be THE elite team. Our two programs will always be measured against the other’s success, and right now y’all are not giving much to measure against. Jimbo, get the shit together and together let’s do what we do best. Make the trash in Gainesville irrelevant again.

by Cane Ressurection on Oct 5, 2009 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

We are in a unique situation in that in essence Bobby is the man who replaced the legend.

Bobby the Senile replaced Bobby the Legend some time in 2002. All of the losing and negativity that usually comes upon the guy who replaces the legend is being directed at Senile Bobby.

by MattDNole on Oct 5, 2009 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

See, I dont know if I agree,

I would have two hours ago. What caused me to change you ask? I saw two friends of mine post on the facebook statuses. These are intelligent, logical people. They think he is being betrayed.
One of them posted http://bleacherreport.com/articles/267006-bobby-bowden-feels-betrayed-and-dadgummit-he-should

I cant actually believe what Matt says will hold true when there are thousands of people who think like this. It is not just idiots. To be honest, it shocks me.

by Miaminole on Oct 6, 2009 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

and these friends...

they are also getting hostile. This is def. going to get uglier.

by Miaminole on Oct 6, 2009 12:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

They are afraid to hurt his feelings.

Plain and simple. Nobody can picture FSU without Bobbys face all over it. He IS a special coach with a legacy that will always be cherished. And I think this is what people fail to see— nobody is trying to diminish what he has done. We merely need to stop the bleeding. Our staff is in shambles. Who is the one person who has the authority to fix the problem? Yeah. Him. And he wont do a thing about it. Its too late for that anyway.

Our program has a broken leg (badly broken…. like bones poking out broken) and some people want to put a band aid on it and wait UNTIL NEXT YEAR to fix it. You cant walk with half of your lower body in shambles… let alone block and tackle and catch, which Bobby so eloquently teaches us IS football. And why don’t they want to fix it? Because they don’t want to hurt Bobbys feelings. “Don’t betray the man who made you who you are!” they say. BS I say. Don’t let the man who made you who you are betray YOU! He did build the program, but he has no right to destroy it.

I don’t really know why I feel the need to say these things… I’m preaching to the choir here. But maybe, someday, these “smart” but short sighted people will see the bigger picture. Its not Bobby that we need to worry about. Its the program that needs to be coddled. Why is that so difficult to understand? Because Bobby is a sweet little old man… and nobody wants to hurt his feelings.

by HanzoSteel on Oct 6, 2009 1:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

I used to think this way...

…but it equates to a wash when Jimbo is hit with the (unparalled irony of the) suddenly most impatient fanbase in the history of college football. And this dumb fanbase will still think Jimbo’s been the head coach since 2007. Certainly no one is following a legend at Florida State though. This was a great job in 2000-2004. Bowden made it a dream job in 2005-2006. Anyone else could come in here and get three years to turn it around without pressure.

by TRMNole on Oct 6, 2009 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've seen Richt blow some seriously talented teams. He does more with less

just like Bobby did.

Except Richt (and Jimbo) won’t have the once in a century advantages Bobby had.

by Bud Elliott on Oct 5, 2009 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

as someone who is both an FSU and UGA alumn, and dad of one of the leaders of the Redcoats band.

by FiestaNole on Oct 5, 2009 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

There were rumors when we hired Shannon.

I don’t know how true they are, though. I would have taken him in a heartbeat, but things worked out good. When no one else wanted the job, we were forced to give the job to the best candidate for in the first place. Perfect coach at the perfect time.

Anyway, enough about us. This is your blog.

by Cane Ressurection on Oct 5, 2009 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Made me sick....

To watch the Byrnes – STA game last friday and see Willis / Miller knowing what could have / should have been. We would have pulled 5-7 SENIORS from that game, running our pipelines into the ground for years to come. With all the negative recruiting going on the only way to save the cycle is Bowden’s retirement date, and at this point it makes no sense for him to coach the bowl game (Emerald????). BLACKOUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by vegasnole on Oct 5, 2009 4:32 PM EDT reply actions  

Richt??? Please.

I’ll pass on that grass. I’d take the uncertainty of Jimbo over Richt’s boring, undisciplined style. We’re already going 8-4 every year. The point is to break out of the mediocrity.

by Dent Street Nole on Oct 5, 2009 4:33 PM EDT reply actions  

How did Richt's offenses do whe he had, oh I don't know.....

FLORIDA STATE CALIBER PLAYERS?

How has the post Richt era going for ya? His leaving was the beginning of the end of the dynasty.

by Cane Ressurection on Oct 5, 2009 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Doesn't mean I want him as a head coach.

If we can get him as OC then I’m all for it. Pretty sure that won’t happen though. He is a good head coach, but I just don’t like his style. Especially for FSU. Plus, his biggest mentor is probably Bowden. Screw that.

by Dent Street Nole on Oct 5, 2009 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

You don’t resurect a program by using the same formula you did the past. That was 10 years ago. Look at Amato. He was part of the winning formula but clearly does not have it. Trying to recreate what we had will never happen by bringing back the people that we had. Imagine if the Networks decided to try and run the Mary Tyler Moore Show again simply because it worked in the past.

by mhauer on Oct 6, 2009 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Richt is a ten win per year machine. That’s an improvement over what either of us have done in that time, even with our NC in 2001.

by Cane Ressurection on Oct 5, 2009 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Richt

There is no way Richt will leave Goergia to come back to FSU in my opinion.

by ccloud5050 on Oct 5, 2009 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nah, nor is anybody expecting him to

Just hypothetical stuff. Even if we wanted him now, we don’t have the money to buy out Jimbo and pay CMR.

>>---l>

by DKfromVA on Oct 5, 2009 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Richt is a good coach

But Jimbo has more fire. Richt is not winning the big games at Georgia and he is losing badly to the gators. Is that what anybody wants?

FSU needs to eat this year’s BB salary and send him home, fire Amato and bring in Casey Weldon or somebody to coach linebackers or let Trickett do it until the end of the season.

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by DocHoliday2 on Oct 5, 2009 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

He asked the booster to buy Jimbo out?

Someone should get the boosters to buy BB out!

by Renegade_NOL3 on Oct 5, 2009 6:24 PM EDT reply actions  

this is a sad day in my life

but at the same time im excited to see what the future holds for us.

"theres two types of people in this world, those who CARRY a spear and those who FEAR the spear"-James Coley

by jfree on Oct 5, 2009 6:30 PM EDT reply actions  

Hold on now...

Let’s not be so hasty, fellas. Coach Bowden literally built this program up from nothing, and I think we owe him the respect of letting him leave it on his own terms.

by Bowdenite on Oct 5, 2009 7:16 PM EDT reply actions  

you sound like the guys over on Warchant

by fsunick3 on Oct 5, 2009 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

He said respect!!!

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKcYGOIJhqo&feature=related

by MattDNole on Oct 5, 2009 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, he's a paid employee

He’s been fairly compensated and has had an 8-year going away party, on his own terms.

by Bud Elliott on Oct 5, 2009 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, he's a paid fan/ cheerleader w/ the best seats in the house!!!

Why can’t I do that??

He bleeds Garnet and Gold, She bleeds Crimson and White. AND THEY BOTH HATE ORANGE! GO NOLES!! ROLL TIDE!!

by gonolesrolltide on Oct 6, 2009 7:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

grround up yes I think I have heard that before

How does wrecked it from the top down sound to you sweetie? Don’t worry he has enough cash to put all his grand children through school including you.

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by DocHoliday2 on Oct 5, 2009 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, respect.

He’s our Coach. Act like it.

by Bowdenite on Oct 5, 2009 7:31 PM EDT reply actions  

We'll grow up

When Bowden does. He’s acting like a spoiled brat who got his toy taken away…

by Pinto on Oct 5, 2009 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

What toy...

…was taken away? He’s still our Coach.

by Bowdenite on Oct 5, 2009 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

His

ability to make rational decisions, coach, and effectively lead.

by Bud Elliott on Oct 5, 2009 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

when was the last time

he actually coached a game or at practice? Our coach my arse!!!

He bleeds Garnet and Gold, She bleeds Crimson and White. AND THEY BOTH HATE ORANGE! GO NOLES!! ROLL TIDE!!

by gonolesrolltide on Oct 6, 2009 7:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

"Bowdenite"?

You mean you’re still a Bowden supporter at this point?

Here’s your sign.

by FiestaNole on Oct 5, 2009 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bowdenite

Yes bowden is our coach and he is driving the bus right now but he has become an alcoholic and is as drunk as cooter brown.
 so you go ahead and stay on that bus bud.. good luck with that..

by Renegade_NOL3 on Oct 5, 2009 7:42 PM EDT reply actions  

That is libelous.

Coach Bowden is not an alcoholic, sir. I hope you can prove that.

by Bowdenite on Oct 5, 2009 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Are you the Alabama country lawyer BB uses?

No man lies so boldly as the man who is indignant….Nietzsche

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by DocHoliday2 on Oct 5, 2009 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

HA HA HA

Bowdenite, you have to be intentionally goading us on. or are you secretly Ann Bowden?

by beachnole05 on Oct 6, 2009 8:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

I found it strange that Bowden pinned the Boston loss on the dropped interception twice during his show, not mentioning the subsequent errors that allowed the touchdown until i found that Reid was a Jimbo recruit.
The division within the program is deep.
Note that Reid was a much prized Gator loss.

by Independent Observer on Oct 5, 2009 9:42 PM EDT reply actions  

buy our bowdens one year option?

Zero, when they shifted him to a one year contract they removed the “life time contract” clause that use to exist in his contract before jimbo got here. People have said that they may through $1.5—2.5 million at it to mollify the grumpiness and irritability. Your son brings in your replacement and then facilitates your exit—-the irony.

“Smith said the focus on Fisher’s head coaching contract is "driven to a great extent by some of the unfortunate comments that (Bobby’s son) Terry Bowden has made in the Alabama press that we are going to magically find $5 million to pay Jimbo Fisher off so his dad cant continue to coach here. … That has hurt us in recruiting and lots of other ways.” Ellis tdo.com

by revival on Oct 5, 2009 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

HILARIOUS take on current situation and Bowden’s rivalry with Paterno – http://13psi.com/paterno-wins/

by 2minutedrill on Oct 5, 2009 10:24 PM EDT reply actions  

Please I never want to see that jungle hat again!

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by DocHoliday2 on Oct 5, 2009 11:35 PM EDT reply actions  

Bobby

If those assistant coaches, specifically jimbo fisher, can’t produce a better product than what we’ve seen, then it’s time to cut the losses and move on. Fisher is not the answer and does not deserve to replace Bobby.

by mudra on Oct 6, 2009 12:08 PM EDT reply actions  

They have produced a better product on the field

Fisher deserves so much more than you know for putting up with all of Bobby’s crap. It is absolutely impossible to function optimally under these conditions of hiring old friends who are incompetent coaches and putting football last on the priority list. Open your eyes. Jimbo made the offense the best in the ACC last year, has made Christian Ponder into an NFL prospect, and has averaged near 400 yards per game this year. He is more than deserving of Bobby’s job.

>>---l>

by DKfromVA on Oct 6, 2009 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Talent

People really have no idea where this team is in the grand scheme of things. If you look at any team that has a great season you will see talent upperclassmen through their roster, or a great coaching staff. Does either of those sound like us? We have a walked on DE starting, a true freshman may be our best DT. Our best LB is a Sophomore. Our secondary is so bad everyone is screaming to play true freshmen. On offense our backs are sophomores, we start 2 upperclassmen on the line, and our most electric WRs are sophomores as well.

Hate to us them as an example but when UF had a team like ours they went 9-4 and their staff at the time was leaps and bounds ahead of where our staff is right now. You can’t put this on the OC when it is a result of the horrible recruiting done before he arrived on the scene. There is no excuse at all for the lack of quality DEs on this team.

by osceolafan850 on Oct 6, 2009 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Please tell me what i heard isn't true

I was by a buddy that it is being reported they are working on a contract for Jimbo starting in 2011but would give him hiring power right now and want Bowden to have a goodbye tour. But the problem is Bowden wants to make Amato DC next year and refuses to back down. WTF is that mierda?

by osceolafan850 on Oct 6, 2009 12:49 PM EDT reply actions  

The problem is obviously the in-fighting

It’s obvious Fisher wants to hang Bowden out to dry. His quote the matter was “administrative” says it all. He should be grateful for the opportunity he has been given by a man who BUILT this program. The quote should have been “We are in this together and I support Coach Bowden.” But he wants the gig. Meanwhile, there is nothing ground breaking or inventive Fisher has brought to this team, other than an ego that would be better suited in Gainesville.

by mudra on Oct 6, 2009 1:01 PM EDT reply actions  

Did you even read what I posted?

Fisher has handled this situation with grace, though the same cannot be said about Bowden. If you’re a bigger fan of Bowden than Florida State, that’s fine, but don’t pretend Bobby is currently good for this program. How about Bowden’s quotes? “What do I have to gain from resigning?” “I will tell Florida State University when I am leaving”

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by DKfromVA on Oct 6, 2009 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Got it

Of course and you make great points. I think the whole HCIW thing was the wrong deal from the get go. I know this, there would be no FSU football without Bobby. Period. He has built that stadium from the silly little place it was to what it is today. He has handled most situations as an absolute gentleman. Has there been a drop off since 1999? Absolutely. The game has changed, so have the players. Once the inventive and ground breaking mind of college football, Bowden has not handled the position of maintaining a powerhouse correctly. He was great at the role of underdog. However,
I have seen nothing that shows Jimbo Fisher to be the next college football visionary. Nothing.

by mudra on Oct 6, 2009 1:16 PM EDT reply actions  

Jimbo

-Top offense in the ACC last year
-Develops Ponder into an NFL prospect (Bowden believed him to be a roster filler)
-Coordinator of the year in the ACC
-Two consecutive top 10 recruiting classes
*And these are all at FSU! I won’t even go into his numerous accomplishments at LSU
He’s able to do all of this in an environment where there have been multiple physical fights between coaches playing out in front of players and with a head coach who no longer cares. He is 4th in the chain of command and constantly reminded of this by Chuck Amato. He isn’t even allowed to address the team! Imagine what he could do with a fully cooperative staff of his own choosing! Jimbo more than deserves a shot to take over and to hire his own guys.

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by DKfromVA on Oct 6, 2009 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well that's one side

And you make a great case. I just remember 7 points against USF. I remember getting shut out by Wake. I have watched as we refuse to pound the middle against UF and, earlier this year, Miami. Anyone knows you don’t run wide on Florida teams.
His wild play calling, if it is indeed his, has cost us a few points and is nothing close to the way we use to ring up the scoreboard.
So, who is really to blame for this debacle? Hart, TK? Coach Bowden?
The whole thing is a greasy meatball and it’s dadgummed depressing.
This type of cannibalism is usually better suited for the orange and blue faithful.

by mudra on Oct 6, 2009 1:36 PM EDT reply actions  

Wake was his first D-1 game playing all of those freshmen

Against USF we were dominated by their defensive line, a terrible game for our o-line. We played very well offensively against Miami this year, that’s not an issue. We are outclassed right now against UF. We have maybe one player out of 22 that would start for them. You just can’t overcome that type of talent disadvantage at this moment. His play calling, overall, has been solid. He’s very good at understanding a defense and teaching Christian to take what they give him. Coley will be the OC under Jimbo, though, so this doesn’t have much to do with him as a head coach. TK and Bobby are to blame for this debacle. Bobby for his selfish and terrible decision making for the last 8 years, and his buddy TK for enabling him. Bobby brought us to this point in time, and the only thing left is for him to step down. It’s time for the Jimbo era to begin, and ’Nole fans should be excited for this future.

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by DKfromVA on Oct 6, 2009 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not entirely true

You are painting with a broad brush.
In the final minutes against Miami we should have closed the deal up the middle. Our clock management cost us as well. The USF game? A good OC would have adjusted.
Players? There really isn’t THAT big of a drop off between us and UF. Considering we used to whip bigger and badder opponents with creativity there is little excuse for us not at least keeping the games close. USF players don’t match up to ours and neither do BC’s. Neither do Wake’s. But we still lose.
How many unwanted Florida HS QB’s have left and come back to haunt us? BJ Daniels, Will Proctor, Riley Skinner…..that’s all I can think of now but good lord it’s enough. None of them are better prospects than the ones we’ve had since Weinke.
Players? We have lost a number of good ones over the last eight years who never reached their potential with us or got into trouble. That reflects a program in turmoil.
My point is, we know the job ain’t gettin’ done now. I don’t have faith in Fisher to do it. In fact, I can see his flaws in this process as well.
You make great points, no doubt. I just believe that the staff SHOULD rise to the occasion and deliver a better product for the man who built the Noles. Period.
He deserves to leave a better legacy and they have been charged with providing that. So far they have failed.
It seems Fisher wants to shove Bowden out of the way so bad he’s happy to see it happen. He has no vested interest in making it work. He’ll make money either way.

by mudra on Oct 6, 2009 2:11 PM EDT reply actions  

I hope you are trolling.

If you are serious then you don’t know what is going on. Listing those other QBs shows a problem with the defense, that has nothing to do with Jimbo. And yes there is a huge drop off between us and UF. They have had a better player at pretty much every position than us during their latest run.

The worst part of your argument is:

I just believe that the staff SHOULD rise to the occasion and deliver a better product for the man who built the Noles.

We have a RB coach who Bowden hired who could not go out and recruit until recently. We have horrible LB and DE coaches who do not coach or recruit well. Mickey clearly is not up to dealing with modern offenses and wants to retire. Yet Bowden keeps all these guys around. So the reason the staff can not deliver a better product for the man who built the Noles is because that man is so out of touch he can’t surround himself with the coaches needed to win.

by osceolafan850 on Oct 6, 2009 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wrong on so many levels

The clock management at the end of the Miami game was beautiful. Jimbo didn’t want to let our sorry defense back on the field with any kind of substantial time because they would have just scored again. We had three shots at what would’ve been a walk-off TD from inside the 5 and didn’t capitalize. Tough luck. There is that big of a drop off between us and UF. Who do we have that would start for them? Jimbo has developed the only QB prospects he’s ever had very, very well. The attrition over the last 8 years does reflect a program in turmoil. Who’s to blame for that? The common denominator, Bobby Bowden. Fisher is not trying to shove Bowden out, though he should be. Every ‘Nole should be trying to get rid of Bobby. It’s way past time.

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by DKfromVA on Oct 6, 2009 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Wow,

I would respond, but this is basically delusional.

They can’t rise because the man is keeping them down.

by Bud Elliott on Oct 6, 2009 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Realize this

You are disrespecting the legacy of a man, without whom, you would have no program to cheer in the first place for a man who has yet to prove himself.
For everything he has done for the school, the program and indeed the ACC, Coach Bowden can stay as long as he wants. Winning isn’t everything.
I’ll leave you to you feeding frenzy. Out.

by mudra on Oct 6, 2009 4:11 PM EDT reply actions  

face/palm

The CEO who built the company doesn’t have the right to stay forever and tear it back down. The world doesn’t work like this. It’s unfair to the kids who aren’t being developed and aren’t getting their promised shot at being the best, and it’s unfair to the fans who put up the money to support a top notch program. Go root for Bobby Bowden, because you obviously don’t care very much about Florida State.

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by DKfromVA on Oct 6, 2009 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry,

We’d be here without Bowden, just with less history.

Look what Miami and UF did. they had nothing before Bobby got there.

by Bud Elliott on Oct 6, 2009 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bobby Bowden BUILT UF and Miami

You don’t even KNOW!!!

I’m sure that’s why all of their fans want him to stay at Florida State forever.

by MattDNole on Oct 8, 2009 9:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Dear prized recruit,

…our 80-year old head coach can stay as long as he wants. He built this stadium when you were negative 15 years old. Winning isn’t everything. Now finish your f***ing banana pudding and give us a strong verbal commitment.

I wish Mudra was our recruiting coordinator.

by The K-Man on Oct 7, 2009 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

since when does building a program entitle you to stay as long as you want? Also your comment about winning isn’t everything has to be one of the dumbest comments Ive ever heard. Do you think he has been allowed to stay so long because he didn’t win. Do you feel that all the money the boosters poor into the school is because winning doesn’t mean anything. Winning is the only thing.

by firebowden on Oct 31, 2009 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

One last blast

I attended games in Tally before Bobby came. Probably longer than you’ve been around big boy. I’ve supported FSU and been a booster since graduating in 1982. I’ve traveled the country to root for the Noles. I’ve spent more money on that team over the years than you have probably made in your life. So lay off the silly talk.
I can appreciate your thoughts and you’ve made a compelling case.
However, if you can only entertain one line of thought or opinion at a time, then I understand. I meet your type everyday.
Usually they aren’t FSU grads.

by mudra on Oct 6, 2009 5:12 PM EDT reply actions  

Thanks for talking down to me after your compelling arguments

You really showed me. With such ingenious comments as “there isn’t that big of a drop off between us and UF,” and the ever popular “Bobby can stay as long as he likes,” you really proved that it is beyond any intellectual doubt that we should just shut up and let Bobby do as he pleases. Congratulations.

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by DKfromVA on Oct 6, 2009 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

follow me @firebowden on twitter to see just how pitiful the seminoles have really become

by firebowden on Oct 31, 2009 12:47 PM EDT reply actions  

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