Today's Bobby Bowden Updates
First, get caught up. Take 10 minutes to read the whole article.
* The Bowden booster luncheon was a waste of time, as Bowden laughably mimicked the Iraqi information minister as he denied rumors of coach dissension and refused to address the comments of Florida State's most powerful man. it was painful and awkward for all in attendance.
* Live Updates from the coordinator press conferences. (Now recaps)
* Anne Bowden (Bowden's wife) turns the situation really really ugly with some inflammatory comments. It's an obvious attempt at a last ditch money grab in exchange for silence from the Bowden family. I still think they dig in and make this really ugly.
* As of 2pm Eastern, Bowden hasn't met with FSU officials.
* Bowden's son, Tommy Bowden (fired from Clemson), weakly attempted to defend his 80-year old dad's continued employment.
* Listen to the Jeff Cameron Show on 1270 AM The Team for continued updates.
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Well, I had hoped by the end of the day we would have an announcement of Bowden retiring at the end of the year
But I see that just isn’t happening
by Jonathan Loesche on Oct 5, 2009 3:25 PM EDT reply actions
Don't rule that out just yet...
I have very reliable inside sources and they say that there is currently some type of statement in the works.
Look at the 2000 AL ROY voting and try not to laugh.
Thanks for the recap
The only thing that would make this day more interesting is if Jeff Bowden comes out swinging.
It’s not likely, since he has North Greenville to prepare for this Thursday, but it would sure make me grin.
The entire Bowden family is completely insane
2009 Rays Baseball: Welp.....we'll try again in 2010
2009 FSU Football: Bobby Bowden.........it's time to go
Be a TRUE Seminole: http://www.seminoles.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/071509aab.html
actually, you may be right
she reminds me a bit of barb bush. You see how she reacted whenever anyone criticized one of her men?
No- not surprising at all
They knew this storm was coming, and every attempt to mitigate its effect have only worsened the damage.
I seriously don’t think they did. I mean Bobby and Ann are probably somewhat blind sided by this. They go on their speaking tours and a bunch of people show up. Sure they hear random things here and there but they’ve heard it before and come out fine. So much is done on the eBay and they aren’t eBayers.
Going to get ugly, but needs to get done.
Her “support” is probably going to make Bobby dig in even more. This is going to get ugly. The Bowden family seems to have a tough time dealing with the fact that this is about FSU football, not the Bowdens.
By the way, Jim Smith is a badass for standing up to this bullsh*t.
I think she is trying to supprt but completely in the wrong way
The best support or advice she could give her husband is to tell him that the time has come to retire. That there is no shame in it. But if he struggles it will hurt him and his family name.
Sadly that is not what she is doing. Instead of being the sound of reason, she is just adding fuel to the fire. I wouldn’t bet my life on it, but I seriously doubt her role behind close doors is any different than what she is letting the public see.
Not an alcoholic, just an FSU grad.
Still hoping for some sort of announcement about something from the University
What we have learned thus far today is that this is probably going to get ugly. The Bowden mafia is circling the wagons. There is a lot of smoke on imminent change, though, so a lot is going on behind closed doors as we speak. We can only hope the BOT and TK can keep Bowden from doing something subversive and crippling.
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Really? No one's gonna say it? I guess I will
Jim Smith’s got hellaswag
by pillsburysoldier on Oct 5, 2009 3:30 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Just a comment about Tomahawk Nation
As a Gator fan I loathe FSU, that’s just the way it is. I’ve enjoyed the tumult and I agree that Bobby Bowden will dig in to make this whole thing as ugle and as painful as possible.
I do want to say that your blog is excellent and you’ve earned yourselves tons of capital here for calling it like it is. Warchant is a joke although I think they’re finally turning, too. I think TN is sort of becoming “Nole Central” on the web. Just look at how busy your comments are and how your site has become the best, up-to-the-second place for news. Anyway, stay strong through this difficult time and keep up the great work. I remember when this site was new. You’ve come a long way and you have a lot to be proud of.
Orange and Blue Hue: The World through GATOR-colored Glasses -- http://www.orangeandbluehue.com
Here's the thing...
Uncensored has made this an unbelievable offseason and he is all over the in-season stuff right now….
But TrueCubbie is an insanely good writer and he’s been resting himself since April. Can you imagine the upcoming basketball analysis we are going to get?
Stick around for more TNation awesomeness.
The gators who have come here have been classy and have added to the discussion
Our leaders do a great job, and we’re thankful for them every day.
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I think much of that has to do with the type of environment that TN has cultivated.
If you want to talk trash, at least bring some numbers. For instance, per capita jorts ownership in Alachua County vs. Leon County.
Thanks.
I don’t wish this type of transition on anyone. But at least TN was here to provide honest insight.
I think some sites like WC have alot of egg on their face for propping up this nonsense for so long. Today’s events weren’t born on Saturday.
Warchant?
Really? Ya know you can lose IQ points reading their football forums? Yep. You can actually get dumber and less informed thread by crappy thread.
I just learned at WC that Bobby Bowden started coaching at FSU
a long long time ago. And he built this program.
Yeah. So be nice, you bunch of haters.
Don't Forget
You have to pay for their worthless articles
Look at the 2000 AL ROY voting and try not to laugh.
Whorechant
is loaded with butt kissers and assorted sycophants. The mods remind me of a bunch of condo commanders. Give them a tin star and a title and watch out! Sort of like internet mall cops.
Thanks GP
I started TN because I wanted FSU to be the best they could be, and I continued it and recruited others once I realized the athletic department planned to close ranks and deny access to just about everyone (including saying that TN was not media, believe it or not).
Warchant waited till the last possible moment.
Gene W. is a scam artist. List him among those responsible for this thing lasting into 2,000-freaking-9.
still hate the gators and we are going to beat you guys down this year
Nextlvl get off my computer. What the hell did that guy say. Man Im sorry about that guy hes like the Lerroy Jenkins for TN. Thanks for that.
Guys its sad that even gator fans feel for us and want change.
Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry
I'm going to an LSU game this year
I wonder how many Tiger fans will be willing to buy me a beer. HAHA.
Not an alcoholic, just an FSU grad.
Hee hee!
Well, we don’t necessarily want change. From afar, this soap opera is fascinating, and yet another downward season spiral of our hated rival is great fun to watch. Watching the BC loss on a bye week while we sit pretty at #1 is satisfying entertainment. I’m not sure I speak for all of us, but I think most of us are hoping Bobby sticks in there one way or another, although it is clear he is absolutely destroying the program and all common sense says that he must be removed.
Bobby is living in a land of delusion. The lackluster seasons aren’t even big news anymore in the college football world. No one expects anything exceptional out of the ’Noles and losing to BC or USF is nothing out of the ordinary. Man, if I were a Seminole fan I would absolutely loathe BB. The man redefines greed and selfishness.
Hang in there, though, you have a great blog to use a center rallying point and some of the best writers in the biz.
Orange and Blue Hue: The World through GATOR-colored Glasses -- http://www.orangeandbluehue.com
Exactly
There is no expectation of anything above mediocrity. For years fans, national media, players, and even coaches have come to accept this downward spiral the program has been headed in. Each year that is got worse was another year people kept letting themselves demand less from FSU.
Fisher added some fresh ideas, energy, players, and has done everything to change the culture of the program within his power. Now even that isn’t working as he is battling to do so much to keep it all from crumbling. It appears that those with the power to effect change have waited until it is too late. Granted, it has to be done and doing it today is better than doing it tomorrow. But it will be hard to salvage a decent recruiting class this year. Nothing short of a miracle (and a whole lotta work from some present coaches and some new) will keep this class anywhere near the top 25 imo. I have no doubt difficulties will continue well into the year after.
I understand that you, as a gator fan, want Bobby to stick around. It is only natural. I hope Meyer takes a job at ND or is summoned back to Hell by Satan where he belongs. But the fact that a Gator can plainly see that Bowden, his family, and his cronies are ruining the program and Bowden is either blind to the situation or just doesn’t care, is just a sad state of affairs. Keep coming back to post!
Not an alcoholic, just an FSU grad.
This is sad man
As frustrating as it is watching your team crap the bed every week, build you up each season only to disappoint, and see a powerhouse fall miserably every year and do nothing about it, I cant help but feel for Bobby. Yea he shouldve retired years ago, and this season has to be his last, but Im surprised how everyone has completely turned on him. I guess it is the only road left to go down, but it just makes me sick. Wish we were a top 5 team and he left on top, but that obviously isnt the case and we have to stop the bleeding before were the “4th” team from the state of Florida…
Bobby threw the university under the bus
threw the fans under the bus
threw the players under the bus
and now he’s under the bus and everyone else is driving.
He brought this upon himself. His hubris was disgusting. He drove off many good people.
I wonder where we would be if he retired at a decent time
2009 Rays Baseball: Welp.....we'll try again in 2010
2009 FSU Football: Bobby Bowden.........it's time to go
Be a TRUE Seminole: http://www.seminoles.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/071509aab.html
by JMB on Oct 5, 2009 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions
He would still be making 2.5 mil a year
Only it would be earned by giving speeches for corp paychecks. That ship has sailed.
On College Gameday Final...
…sitting in between Mark May and Rece Davis wearing a blue cast after cutting his finger off making his morning smoothie and ranting about how FSU will win the national championship.
Except with decent recruits and coaching we might?
2009 Rays Baseball: Welp.....we'll try again in 2010
2009 FSU Football: Bobby Bowden.........it's time to go
Be a TRUE Seminole: http://www.seminoles.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/071509aab.html
by JMB on Oct 5, 2009 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I never said Bobby didnt deserve any of this
all I said was that its sad to see it end this way. The last 7-8 years, he has more than completely mishandled this program in every possible way. All Im saying is I wish it worked out differently.
by BJ the Bossman on Oct 5, 2009 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Me too
But you sleep in the bed you make.
Or so they say, I don’t make the bed, so I don’t know if that applies to me. Maybe Bobby doesn’t make his bed either…
by PBD on Oct 5, 2009 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions
You have to get out of bed in the morning
to take a nap by 9
by PBD on Oct 5, 2009 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions
He brought this on himself.
He blames everyone, including fans, but he never once steps up and takes responsibility for the state of the program.
I know what Bobby's thinking....
Jeffy sucked and got $500k – I bet they’ll pay me a lot more $ to go away!
He's gonna want at least $5 million (equivalent of buying out Jimbo's buyout)
2009 Rays Baseball: Welp.....we'll try again in 2010
2009 FSU Football: Bobby Bowden.........it's time to go
Be a TRUE Seminole: http://www.seminoles.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/071509aab.html
by JMB on Oct 5, 2009 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Why
would we give him any money to go away? Can’t we just not renew his 1-year deal? Am I missing something?
That's probably what he'll want
and if we just go the not renew route, he’ll trash FSU, the new Pres, Jimbo, that guy at the mall once, the person who brought him the wrong pudding, TN, pretty much anyone but dot com and TK. He’ll if we give him the buyout he’ll probably do that.
"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."
"But How will I know limits from lies, if I never try."
by geoffissiffoeg on Oct 5, 2009 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Absolutely agree
Let’s not be naive, he’ll likely get a nice retirement bonus to bow out quietly and gracefully.
Why do you think the whole family is out in full force yet Bobby is queit (for now)??
by FtLauderdaleNole on Oct 5, 2009 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I could care less if it gets him to leave.
Give him money and he leaves or fight tooth and nail and he stays and does that much more. Some times you have to lose to win.
Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry
This is really just said to see..
Bowden please do yourself a favor and just step down. Its really sad to watch this crap.
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Bobby's options
So he really can only:
-Retire at the end of the season, saving all dignity and going out with class
-Essentially be fired at the end of the season by not having a new contract offer
-Relinquish all responsibilities, decisions, and duties to Fisher, and Be just a person on the sidelines for 2010
Right or wrong?
Maybe.
But I doubt the third is a real option now. Having Ann and Tommy come out to attack people isn’t doing him any favors. He’s probably wrecked his chance to come back next year.
by Drew J Jones on Oct 5, 2009 4:13 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
No way that option 3 should be on the table
I have no idea why it didn’t happen when Jimbo came on. Had he agreed to, he’d probably be sitting right where he claims he wants to be. Close to the NC.
No- Alabama... he still loves the Tide
A luxury box at North Alabama is a F250 King Ranch Edition.
by coonhound on Oct 5, 2009 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think he means NFSU
Where they sent PP and friends to play for BB other son. You know the one that could coach I think.
Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry
Brandon Warren back in the news
http://www.rockytoptalk.com/2009/10/5/1071473/wvlt-reports-brandon-warren
Lou Brock loves Lamp.
You know
if Tennessee can go through an off season like they just had, and land the recruits that they did, there is no reason that Jimbo with full control and HIS people in place can’t do the same.
2010 really can be a good year for us, there is hope
I can see FSUn saying
We arent in the SEC. Im sure there would be a longer response, but thats my initial reaction.
All of that is true...
… but FSU does have more exposure in a much better part of the country, talent-wise. If the Noles have the right recruiters in place, there is no reason why they can’t recruit as well as the Vols.
Lou Brock loves Lamp.
No but,
some people are saying that this mess will kill the recruiting class. I’m saying that there is some good that will come out of this train wreck. I guarantee Jimbo telling a kid that his coaches are in place and not having to worry about when Bowden leaves will keep as many kids from de-committing. Plus, Tennessee showed that negative press isn’t always bad
They had the coaches in place in time to recruit
FSU won’t be rid of Bowden until after. Who will be recruiting for FSU? Not Amato, Andrews, Haggins, Carter, Allen, or Buckley, or Bowden.
Plus, we’re not getting back the Early Entries we lost (Luc, Miller, Willis, etc).
I think there are huge reasons why 2010 recruiting is already screwed and why the coaching change won’t make it great. But it can salvage it and make it good instead of terrible.
Has nothing to do with cash. it has to do with timing and the damage already done.
I know this is more of a Thursday recruiting question
but is this going to set us back with Lattimore?
"I have come that you may have life, and life to the max"
I wouldn't get any hope on Lattimore
and honestly on a lot of elite guys. A lot of the damage has been done. Salvage mode.
www.fsufishing.com
Excellent.
Thanks Man. I typically only checked it in the offseason when it was thrown up on the Main-Board. I will try to keep updated on it.
"I have come that you may have life, and life to the max"
Good thing they did the roast this past offseason...
Would be a pretty uncomfortable experience now… Speaking of roasts… I wonder if MattD’s Roast of Bobby will need an update
FSUncensored
You think Carter, and Haggins won’t be retained? what about Buckley not recruting? it’s becasue he can’t right?
The 3 above fisher are gone
Allen is gone
I am fairly sure Haggins and Carter are gone.
But i am unsure on TBuck.
I just think Fisher believes he can find better than what we currently have at all spots except Coley Dawsey and Trickett
I thought there were a few kids that were coming based on Haggins being here in 2010
…am I wrong?
Look at the 2000 AL ROY voting and try not to laugh.
what about the STR and cond coach.
He seems to be good at that in the off season.
Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry
Can we find another one as good as Stroud?
I know he has ties to Amato, but he’s excellent. Is there anyway we can retain him?
by Pre on Oct 5, 2009 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions
well its not that hard to get a STR and Cond coach
all you need is someone that knows the body. I think he was good but Im sure Trickett knows some bodys from the military that could do just as good and help with discipline.
Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry
what like a 375DT that is in shape and health.
That guy is a beast. He anyteam on the plus side of size does matter.
Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry
WTF
17LB 4 are 240+
16DT 5 are 300+ 4 are 310+
wow guess size does matter.
Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry
Bama can do the taylored supplements for each athlete.
Not going to happen yet…
I have six locks on my door all in a row. When I go out, I only lock every other one. I figure no matter how long somebody stands there picking the locks, they are always locking three.
Elayne Boosler
sucks about Haggins
Him and Kevin Steele were a lethal combo in SFla a few years back plus he seems like a really good coach. Maybe he’s to tied to the old regime? I hope we keep T-Buck dude gets mentioned by a lot of recruits for a guy who’s not a full time coach.
Some more good quotes from Jim Smith today
Pretty much confirms what we have known, but it’s still good to hear
per the AP:
“We’ve got too many bosses out there,” Smith said.
“Jimbo is in a very, very tough situation where people assume he has a whole lot more authority than he really has,” Smith told The Associated Press. “He’s getting blamed for a lot of things that’s just not his fault.”
Full story here
http://www.abcnews.go.com/Sports/wireStory?id=8753850
“Everything is kind of up in the air,” Smith said Monday. “T.K. really has to make that call. I think he’s at a point where he’s going to deal with it.”
Smith said that arrangement has resulted in division among the Florida State staff, an accusation Seminole coaches have vehemently denied.
“I know coaches are sniping at each other and that’s just terrible,” Smith said Monday. “There are too many mixed signals.”
He also said fundraising has slowed significantly, and the school has an obligation to fans and alumni to be competitive.
“I take absolutely no pleasure in this,” Smith said. “I love Bobby Bowden, but I tell you what, I love FSU more.”
Honestly, we need to educate Seminole fans everywhere
reading through the media outlet comments, we have some VERY misinformed fans. One person even asked for Jimbo to be fired, and to let Mickey become the HC and Chuch the DC. How out of touch can people be??
Most FSU fans aren't that involved.
I’ve said before: I knew the program was off track, having been at Florida State during the Nepotism Era. Certainly I knew enough to hate Jeffy. But I had no idea how deep the rot went until plugging into TN and reading up on the last couple years of crap. And I’m a blog junkie, so if I had no idea, what’s the typical person going to know?
So is Coley going to be the new OC?
If so, what qualifies him for that very important position? I’m not all that familar with Coley, so I was just wondering.
He was the OC at FIU
and was an offensive assistant under Saban with the Dolphins.
You can read his bio on seminoles.com
He was also a head coach at Norland High in Miami, when they were good
and has lots of connections in S.FL
www.fsufishing.com
He was OC at one of the Sun Belt schools in Florida
And Jimbo trusts him. Like Saban with Bama’s defense, I expect Jimbo to have a lot of input in the offense even when he is head coach.
by Pre on Oct 5, 2009 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions
From what I’ve been told Coley has an extremely sharp offensive mind (I’ve heard he might be better than Fisher). He recruits extremely well and also spends a ton of time at the office. Jimbo hired him away from FIU and he was immediately given the recruiting coordinator’s job along with being Fisher’s eyes and ears in the both. It’s very apparent that Fisher thinks highly of Coley. There’s very little doubt in my mind that he wouldn’t immediately be promoted and allowed to pick his assistants (with input from Fisher of course).
I have also been told Coley is a better offensive mind than Fisher
The OC must be allowed to be the crazy guy and the HC must reign him in.
Coley has NFL experience and was a very good coordinator at FIU
all these talks about who and when, my question is what pos. coachs are going to be needed.
I know we will need at least a DB and LB coach as well as a ST and DC coach. We might need a TE/WR coach and one ore 2 more
Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry
It might be a situation where there is no named OC
…I personally do not have a problem with this since Jimbo will be doing all the playcalling anyways.
Look at the 2000 AL ROY voting and try not to laugh.
If I have one problem with Jimbo...
it’s his playcalling. I believe in a strong rushing attack and I’m still looking for one at FSU.
Well, I guess I’ll go check out Coley’s bio
Last year
We had the 2nd best rushing attack in the ACC…
I think the argument for not running this year is that if you get stopped on first down, you are now in 2nd in long. If you run on second and long—in an attempt to establish the run—you are now in 3rd and long if you get stopped.
Basically, odds are—with a running offense— there is going to be a 3rd down situation that is often less than ideal. With our crappy defense and high passing efficiency it is very clear that throwing is currently the best choice.
Regarding running on second and long....
I totally agree with the need for success on first down. That was in my prediction for this game against BC…we needed to have success on first down for our young team to develop confidence in itself that it could be successful.
Here is what I wrote last night:
In their first four games, FSU has had 52 plays that have been defined as second and long. They have run on 22 of those plays or 42% of the total.
FSU has had 8 plays of 9+ yards out of the 22.
5 plays of 5-6 yards.
5 plays for 1-3 yards
4 plays for 0 or less.
By those numbers on 13 out of 22 plays, FSU has been successful running the ball on 2nd and long. 60% of the time they have gained 5 or more yards on 2nd and long running the ball. They averaged 10 yards per play on those 11 plays.
During each game, only one play per game has gone for 0 yards or less on second down and long.
While second and long may not be a favorable down to run, we do ok in that situation. These are just a quick look at the numbers so they could be totally off.
Again, we need to establish success on first down. It could be through the run or pass.
www.Tomahawknation.com
I just read Coley's bio
and most of his offensive exploits involves the running game. I’m sold!
Thanks Matt
can’t wait to read it, you guys are doing a killer job of cutting through the BS and providing intresitng stuff without being sensationalistic.
Jeffy better not
be on that list else we’ll have to rub you out!
Hes a candidate because of his renewed knowledge and work at a 4-0 North Alabama team
www.fsufishing.com
BWAHAHAHAHA!
You’re killing me, you know. BTW, do you think he has perfected the vaunted “Rainbow Offfense” that struck so much fear into the hearts of opposing D’s? You know, the one that was last in Div 1 in 3rd down conversions?
Don't laugh
I heard Jeff had a receiver that is 8 foot seven with a 70" vertical jump at bama
Playstation All American, right again!
TomahawkNation
Better to bear the rebuke of the wise than to hear the song of fools
I think its about how the board of trusties are asking for him to step down
Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry
Sounds like it.
Supposed to run after this commercial. Shocked they’d talk about it, given that they’ve only managed to mention Brett Favre about 600 times in the last three minutes.
It's a tough call.
But I can’t bring myself to hate Tebow with the same level of passion that I hate Brett Favre. I so look forward to the annual collapse of Favre come Week 9.
If Tebow can hang around the NFL for a few years, he’d surely eclipse him.
Pretty decent piece on SC
Gave Jim’s quote about the bad situation Fisher is in and how he loves Bowden, but loves FSU more.
Gave Ann’s quote.
Show stats showing the drop of FSU winning percentage overall and in ACC.
Talked about giving Jimbo full control over all decisions as soon as next year and the 5 year contract negotiations. I may have to rewind and see what i missed.
Ann's quote about "they should stay out of the coaching part"....
I would have loved if one of the SC guys said “Bowden has for years”
Nah.
These guys couldn’t get away with it. Dan Patrick or Keith Olbermann probably could, but not the little SC guys.
Maybe Ann could stay out of the coaching part you think?
Playstation All American, right again!
TomahawkNation
Better to bear the rebuke of the wise than to hear the song of fools
Don't tease me MattDNole!
I have a serious obsession with this whole potenial coaching staff deal. I can’t wait!
All those Sportscenter clones will...
defend Bobby, because they’re all clueless on what’s really going on. They’ll blame everybody, but Bobby.
Not so sure abou this.
Blaming Bobby will get plenty of people to tune in.
Not an alcoholic, just an FSU grad.
My comments for Ann would be inappropriate
and in extremely poor taste. I hope she doesn’t win anybody over with that nonsense she spewed.
Not an alcoholic, just an FSU grad.
Maybe they will make a movie about this...
like -
“Transfomers – Revenge of the Fallen” starring TN posters or
“Ice Age – Dawn of the Dinosaurs” starring you know who or
“Bobby Bowden’s I Can Do Bad All By Myself”
Maybe they will make a movie about this...
like -
“Transfomers – Revenge of the Fallen” starring TN posters or
“Ice Age – Dawn of the Dinosaurs” starring you know who or
“Bobby Bowden’s I Can Do Bad All By Myself”
sorry for the 2x post
not sure what happened…
Coach Bowden is still the head coach at Florida State University
That deserves our respect.
Respect what?
Coaches throwing punches, losing to bad teams, losing recruits, laughing during pressers after losing?
Throwing punches?
Prove that. Coach Bowden would never punch someone.
Coach Bowden deserves your respect as your elder and as the man who built the program you claim to love so much.
Ok...
…did you miss “…and as the man who built the program you claim to love so much?”
That's a shame.
Grow up. Coach Bowden is our Coach. Let him do his job. He has EARNED the right to step down on his own terms.
I'm wide awake.
Coach Bowden is trying to do his job, and people like you won’t let him because you just can’t stop criticizing his performance and calling for the Father of FSU Football’s head.
Jim Smith is just another disrespectful man who
can’t stop asking “what have you done for me lately?” And even then, Coach Bowden has done more for us lately than you have, than he has, than Jimbo has, etc. He is HEAD COACH Bobby Bowden!!!!
Coach Bowden is a bad coach?!
Coach Bowden is a great man. How would a bad coach have 2 national titles? How would a bad coach have accomplished all he has?
Good luck in the future
FSU would be nothing without its storied past.
Don't forget...
This storied past includes many issues with off-field discipline and the team’s part in the largest academic misconduct case in NCAA history.
The wins and titles were great, just be sure to take off the garnet colored glasses when looking back at them.
man - you've got blinders on to the world
it may be that way on fantasy island – but here on planet earth – hell, the man’s elevator no longer makes it to the top floor -
Check out his pregame “pep talk” on youtube – it’s beyond pathetic!
by OGN on Oct 5, 2009 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Bobby Bowden is still the Head Football Coach at Florida State University. Seriously. Please address him as such. He deserves your respect.
by coonhound on Oct 5, 2009 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
That's pretty racist.
I won’t dignify it with any further response. I’m not surprised that you’re the type who would turn your back on this great man.
What specifically is racist?
I’m not following your logic or possibly your sarcasm. Either way, I’m lost.
If you don't understand, I won't waste my time explaining.
It’s pretty simple. Sorry.
Frankly, you're obviously too simple for an explanation.
It’s so obvious that the fact that you need an explanation tells me all I need to know: You wouldn’t understand if I told you.
I agree with Bowdenite on this one.
I doubt the Iraqi Minister of Information would appreciate being associated with Bowden.
come on Its not like it matters hes only got one 1 tops
Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry
You have a point.
If you don’t mind, please remove this picture out of respect for Mr. Baghdad Bob’s reputation.
and I dont think anyone is too simple for an explanation
If you are going to say something have the gal to back it up. you are acting just as childish as he would be if he was.
Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry
I'll answer my own question for you:
“I called your post racist because frankly I have nothing to back up my blind love and passion for Bobby. So I toss out inflammatory comments like racism in order to trump logical arguments that I have no ability to counter. Further, I find your mocking my comments hurtful and painful to me personally, and I am crying. You are a mean man, Mr. Coonhound. And I don’t like you haters.”
Warmest Regards,
Bowdenite
Um Im not seeing this as racist funny not racist.
Im not a history buff, Also all this crap about BB is still our coach and we need to be all in love with him is crap too. He had 8 years to fix his mistakes. Now My voice is all I have and Im going to use it. I want him to step down. I want Jimbo to take over. I want the world to see my face when CTC gets fired. I would love to see CTC join the vince mcmahon kiss my ass club just to be fired again.
Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry
How do you know Coach Bowden hasn't been trying to correct things?
Maybe the real problem is a lack of EXECUTION, which is triggered by the discontent fueled by YOUR hate!!
Do we really have that much say in what happens?
I feel so much better about him hopefully leaving soon, thanks Bowdenite
8 F'ing years I have given him. At first I was ok
But now F that. Im a FSU fan. I live the team I love the school I like the State. I dont love BB. I respect him but time to take a bow and move on out.
Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry
and by the way I love my hate Its what keep people safe at night so know your roll
Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry
how racist? I guess because I don;t agree with my wife sometimes - I hate women as well
you’re really screwed up!!!!
by OGN on Oct 5, 2009 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Terry?
Playstation All American, right again!
TomahawkNation
Better to bear the rebuke of the wise than to hear the song of fools
Bowden should respect himself
tell ann to be quiet, and go out peacefully, not prolonging the inevitable
The night has been long....
Darkness everywhere, rain falling down like despair. We wonder how we got here. We press on though, driven by pride. On Sunday, the first rays of light broke the horizon. The rain has ceased. Dawn is still a little ways away, but it is coming. The approaching day fills us with hope. We are tired. We are weary. This journey has been long, and it not over yet. Yet, still we remain. Unconquered…
I have six locks on my door all in a row. When I go out, I only lock every other one. I figure no matter how long somebody stands there picking the locks, they are always locking three.
Elayne Boosler
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But when a fan’s off-the-cuff comment during Bowden’s weekly luncheon touched upon Smith’s comments, he said: "Everybody has their opinion, don’t they."
But about his team’s immediate future, Bowden said that the "team is so darn close to doing it. People who never played football have no idea what they are talking about."
Chin up Ann
The fans, the boosters, the players, Steve Ellis and assorted newspaper people, radio jockeys and the family dog have turned on you but gator fans still love you.
Playstation All American, right again!
TomahawkNation
Better to bear the rebuke of the wise than to hear the song of fools
Lol he definitely is
I want that guy to come here. Thomas Briggs…I’m calling for your presence.
>>---l>
That guy would never come here.
A: He is a loser who is on the Internet every day of his life, all day long. That’s the very definition of Fail.
B: His lame opinions are only validated because he will ban people who disagree with him.
Haha and he's hailed as the "most respected poster on warchant"
I don’t know if that’s an honor, though. But really, I want him here. You know he reads this stuff. There’s no doubt in my mind.
>>---l>
Funny thing about the Whisky Charlie
They get real annoyed when there are 10 threads about the same topic, which is understandable. But there must 100 threads all started by the same 5 people demanding allegiance to the almighty Bowden Family.
And yes, T. Baggs is out in front calling today’s comments by Jim Smith inflammatory, etc etc.
Unreal.
They are gators
They want Bobby forever. Dot.gene has a law degree from UF
Playstation All American, right again!
TomahawkNation
Better to bear the rebuke of the wise than to hear the song of fools
recruiting
I wish there was some way to tell all the potential recruits that what’s happening is a good thing. They will be coming into a better situation and hopefully part of a rebirth of FSU football.
Tavares Barnes said he hasn't heard from FSU in a month...
Said Blake has been blowing up his phone…
I have six locks on my door all in a row. When I go out, I only lock every other one. I figure no matter how long somebody stands there picking the locks, they are always locking three.
Elayne Boosler
The end of the season won't do it for me
I rather he quit now. The next best thing is tell him Fisher is in complete control and everything will be run through him. It would be simple to tell Bobby just make this last 2.5 million for standing there and not getting in the way, otherwise it won’t look good if we run you to the beach in the middle of the season.
I am wondering if some of this hasn’t been discussed as Ann with her alligator jaws mentioned that should stay out of coaching. That at least tells me Jimbo is now the assistant head coach in charge.
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TomahawkNation
Better to bear the rebuke of the wise than to hear the song of fools
Can't wait for Saturday
I’m wearing black even if I don’t go to the game
2009 Rays Baseball: Welp.....we'll try again in 2010
2009 FSU Football: Bobby Bowden.........it's time to go
Be a TRUE Seminole: http://www.seminoles.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/071509aab.html
by JMB on Oct 5, 2009 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions
solid post
Waiting til the end of the season is way too late
Coley I believe is the next oc
He broke down Fisher’s offense at LSU on film and game planned against other defenses with Fisher. He knows Fisher’s offense. Jimbo believes in his own offense so I doubt he is going out and getting a coach somewhere with an offense totally unlike his own.
He can turn Coley loose and tweak him once in awhile and maybe overrule a play here and there. It is a great opportunity for Coley and it will save money not having to go out and hire a big dollar type guy. The money can be spent on assistants and especially a defensive guru.
Playstation All American, right again!
TomahawkNation
Better to bear the rebuke of the wise than to hear the song of fools
I think that's the assumption at this point
What are we looking at for DC?
2009 Rays Baseball: Welp.....we'll try again in 2010
2009 FSU Football: Bobby Bowden.........it's time to go
Be a TRUE Seminole: http://www.seminoles.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/071509aab.html
by JMB on Oct 5, 2009 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Tell you what... how about I tell you how many names are going to be mentioned?
There are currently 13 potential coaching candidates mentioned in the article.
And I’m so over Hudson at this point.
MattDNole Premium!!!
That was worth the ten spot right there
Was that 13 a coincidence? Because if not, your knowledge about her is getting pretty specific.
>>---l>
If that was a backhanded complement, I sure hope it was done with the left hand.
PS- If anyone in her camp is a TNation reader, I am honestly joking with 90% of this. Please don’t arrest me.
so sad
It’s so sad that it’s coming down to this. Why couldn’t we have taken a page out of Tennessee’s playbook and did coach Bowden like they did Fulmer… I guess when the coach doesn’t want to cooperate then you can’t do things in a graceful manor….I will always have love and respect for Coach B, but When it’s time it’s time…….
What do you mean re: Tennessee?
I assume because Fullmer saw and acknowledged the writing on the wall.
That's his point
Fullmer DID see the writing on the wall
BB on the other hand….
2009 Rays Baseball: Welp.....we'll try again in 2010
2009 FSU Football: Bobby Bowden.........it's time to go
Be a TRUE Seminole: http://www.seminoles.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/071509aab.html
by JMB on Oct 5, 2009 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly my point
The key to life is humility……When you have that you know when it is time to bow out gracefully in situations….I.E. Fulmer…unfort BB did not see this…..
Nice
2009 Rays Baseball: Welp.....we'll try again in 2010
2009 FSU Football: Bobby Bowden.........it's time to go
Be a TRUE Seminole: http://www.seminoles.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/071509aab.html
by JMB on Oct 5, 2009 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Glad you asked. It will be run next week.
\self promotion
To be honest, I want people to expect it so that they know it is a serious article.
I just got some coaching scoop from my friend, Thomas Baggs over at the Whiskey Charlie...
Perhaps you can use this in your article…. seems this all but a done deal with the boosters….
Chuck Amato: Executive Supreme NATO Commander Head Coach, Defensive Coordinator, Locker room inspector, NJ area recruiting coordinator
Still working out a deal with key sponsors: Lane Bryant Intimates, Dolce & Gabbana, and Payless Shoes.
by coonhound on Oct 5, 2009 10:01 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Pretty much everything that has been said already here
He does fear that BB will make this ugly before it’s over
2009 Rays Baseball: Welp.....we'll try again in 2010
2009 FSU Football: Bobby Bowden.........it's time to go
Be a TRUE Seminole: http://www.seminoles.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/071509aab.html
We hate how Bowden has become, yes, and desperately want him to leave
BB is acting selfishly right now, but there was a time where he was the greatest thing to happen to the program and football (imo) and was a fantastic human being.
We all poke fun and look upon BB and Anne with shock and judgement, but who’s to say you or I wouldn’t wind up being the same way after having our butts kissed, treated like royalty, and having such dominating success for a decade. It still doesn’t make it right though and I consider it a tragedy for us and him. Its a tragedy that this would have to be the way that change came about, but it is looking more and more inevitable.
Once all of this is said and done, when the fear of him staying and ruining the program is over, I imagine it will be a lot easier for everyone to sit back and put it all into perspective. BB has gained a lot from the program, yet he also built the program. I believe he did, and I don’t beleive its as easy as to say that he got lucky because other teams were on probation and so thats why we were good, its not that simple.
He is a good man that has gone sour… but can we not be civil through this period? He is not going to go down easily which is forcing us to blackout games and go against him outright, ok thats his choice and ours AND its a choice I want to make and will again and again, yet I still believe he deserves to go out with some shred of dignity even though he is not acting as though he deserves it… its … just the sad sad way things turn out, but, again, I believe he has done enough to buy him slack in the respect department… even in spite of himself.
And im guilty of not being civil as well.
"I'm falling apart, I'm barely breathing, With a broken heart thats still beating, In the pain is the healing, in Your Name I find meaning, So I'm holdin' on.. holdin' on to you."
From my point of view, and obviously I’m biased here, Bobby and his family are doing the most damage to themselves. Bobby used to hate to lose but it doesn’t look like he has that problem anymore. Bobby once said he would retire when the losses start to exceed 4 but that has gone by the wayside.
I can understand Bobby and Co being scared. My dad has worked for the same company for his entire life and my mom and I wonder what he’ll do when he retires. It throws your life upside down. It doesn’t excuse their actions but it might explain them.
I think your right.
"I'm falling apart, I'm barely breathing, With a broken heart thats still beating, In the pain is the healing, in Your Name I find meaning, So I'm holdin' on.. holdin' on to you."
did a quick search in the facebook group
christian jones supports the blackout
As does Jarmon Fortson.
Its a good sign in my eyes. As long as we make the changes that need to be made, I can see us having a decent recruiting class this year. Kids just dont want to play for Bobby anymore.
For Fortsons sake
I hope Amato doesn’t handle after practice conditioning tomm.
"I have come that you may have life, and life to the max"
i dont mind
our wr’s getting extra conditioning, they could always be faster or develop more stamina
Cummings
supposedly cummings had a “surprisingly good” trip to SC. I hope we don’t miss out on him
Bobby is our Nero
Fiddling while Rome burns. Bowden is being shown the same respect he has shown FSU the past eight years. He forgot the customer is always right and you don’t call them play station all americans. If you do they don’t buy the product.
Statements like how would that be an advantage to me just emphasizes his over blown ego and lack of respect for FSU and the fan base. Hiring your retarded son to run the offense is not respect. Telling him to stay in the face of a fan mutiny is not respect. Forcing the university to fire him is not respect, squeezing another one half million out of the boosters to get rid of him is not respect, having your egotistic wife whine about being betrayed is not respect, having your cronies try and sabotage Fisher is not respect so your other son can take over the family cash cow at some point. No that is not respect and FSU and their fan base are not that stupid anyway, well most of them.
Playstation All American, right again!
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Better to bear the rebuke of the wise than to hear the song of fools
New video on ESPN… http://espn.go.com/blog/acc/post/_/id/4662/video-bowden-on-future-at-fsu
Bobby not happy.
Wow...that was about as cold as I have ever seen him.
I really didnt think he would go out like this…
oh my god
did he just say “just like a woman” and grin like he wasn’t thinking about committing a felony?
by NorthernHaze on Oct 6, 2009 12:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Wow...
I don’t think I have ever felt bad for HD. And I still don’t! But all jokes aside that was awful. I hope they run that clip on national TV before the GT game. People have to see how bad it has become. Not just die hard nole fans, but everyone. Ladies and Gentleman, Poppa Bowden no longer exits. Say hello to EFF YOU BOWDEN.
Not an alcoholic, just an FSU grad.
by onebarrelrum on Oct 6, 2009 12:32 AM EDT up reply actions
He’s really mad. I bet he wants to go on a rant about how he made FSU and how he’s better than this. I can’t blame him too much. The situation has been handled poorly. It should have been more private. I’m assuming no one talked directly to him about this, he only heard about it from the news, friends, or family.
I wonder how wierd practice must be this week.
Bowden fans amaze me
They say he is so classy and deserves better, but the video on espn is ok because he is pissed about being fired. You can’t be classy and then go taking out your problems on some female young enough to be your great granddaughter because you are having a bad day. This is worse than Woody Hayes punching the kid on tv. Well maybe not.
by osceolafan850 on Oct 6, 2009 1:22 AM EDT up reply actions
lol nice link
funny seeing him mad. Too bad 99% of the population think he’s an awesome coach
by Cee on Oct 6, 2009 1:53 AM EDT up reply actions
wow, that was brutal; this is gonna end SO badly
He is scoring no publicity points with outside parties, that’s for sure. I don’t know if that will make all this easier, but it makes him look worse. Sad.
Not so fast my friend
Bobby’s biggest fan base is rallying behind him.
http://florida.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?fid=865&tid=126598303&mid=126598303&sid=882&style=2
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Better to bear the rebuke of the wise than to hear the song of fools
Ha! It's to be expected
But this is why we keep cheering against Notre Dame every week, come to think of it, the Irish might need a new coach.
This, more than anything proves the fact that Bobby does need to go!!
and of course they have the right to boot out any coach they want!
by SIUnolelover on Oct 6, 2009 12:54 AM EDT up reply actions
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