What Can Seminole Fans Expect From Florida State Head Coach Bobby Bowden?
by Bud Elliott on Oct 6, 2009 3:40 AM EDT
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There's a lot to cover with this story. If you're new to the party, or an FSU fan who is not fully filled in on the situation, start here and read about how Bobby Bowden has torn down FSU's once proud program, leading the Board of Trustees Chair Jim Smith to publicly call for his ouster. See the last time Bobby publicly addressed the rumors before last night's practice here. Finally, see the comments of Bobby's wife, Anne Bowden, here. If you have any questions regarding any of the links, chances are your question has been asked and answered, so check the corresponding comment section.
Over the past decade, Bowden has never been afraid to speak his mind. Ever. On any issue. Bowden aggressively went after any who opposed him or his son. He ran his mouth like crazy after the Boston College loss. His wife spoke out yesterday with some really ill-advised comments. At the Booster Luncheon, in reference to the comments of Board of Trustees Chair Jim Smith, he said something along the lines of "everyone is entitled to an opinion, aren't they." But something happened yesterday. Important meetings went down. Bowden is on notice and he has shut up. Bowden's "No comment" after practice last night speaks volumes (you need to watch that):
Throwing the "woman" comment in there won't help his cause. It was probably intended as a joke, but joking like that on camera to a national writer shows just how out of touch the coach (who is older than the game of BINGO) really is. I don't think he's so out of touch as to be blind to what is happening around him, however. He sees the writing on the wall. This will probably be his last season.
Yet I fear the silence may be only temporary. I am told that the Bowdens (not just Bobby) want money from FSU to go away. Understand a few things about Bowden's contract. First, he does not have an option for the 2010 season. That has been erroneously reported by a few non-local outlets. He is on a one-year contract. If he were to come back, it would have to be a mutual agreement between him and Flrorida State. He's owed $1M whenever he ceases to coach Florida State:
"Upon the cessation of Coach's Employment as Head Football Coach for the University, for whatever reason other than a termination for cause as set forth in Section V. A. i), ii) of the Agreement, the University shall pay Coach, from ADF funds, a one-time bonus payment in the amount of $1,000,000 in recognition of the completion of Coach's career at the University and in appreciation of Coach's lifetime achievement and extraordinary contributions to the intercollegiate programs of the University."_ from Bobby Bowden Contract
The "for cause" language is inapplicable here unless he causes huge problems during this season and forces FSU to fire him before his contract runs, which nobody I trust believes would happen.
With that in mind, keep reading...
I do expect Bowden to try to squeeze more money out of Florida State, and he will probably get it. He has leverage. Most of the country doesn't understand just how much of the program's downfall was directly caused by him. So if he starts to make a fuss about being pushed out, Florida State could look bad even though they are completely justified in ridding themselves of the disease that has plagued the program for a decade. Florida State has a few mega-boosters who will pay them, and it is my belief that they will put together the "retirement" (hush money) package by the end of the week and probably sooner. But remember, he is an 80-year old man without anyone who loves or cares about him keeping him in check right now. Don't expect complete silence, even with the attractive compensation package. I anticipate that Bowden will make some ill-advised comments that make himself and the university appear pretty childish.
As for Fisher, he has won over a high percentage of the big money boosters. That's very important because FSU's booster base is extremely top heavy. Yet I would not expect any comment from him until an official finalized announcement comes down, because he still must win over the big money boosters who literally would take Bowden over Florida State. In no way can he appear to have any involvement in Bowden's retirement.
In the worst case scenario for Florida State, Bobby Bowden would still stay on for 2010. But he would lose every single meaningful power he currently has. He would have no say in how practice is conducted. He would have no say in personnel decisions. With a new 5-year contract, Jimbo Fisher would be able to rid the team of the cancer who is Chuck Amato and grossly unqualified defensive ends coach Jody Allen Bobby would not have power to prevent Fisher from jettisoning some of the dead weight on the roster (the guys who do not buy in). Bowden would literally not need to show up to anything, but would retain his head coaching title. But I have heard from some who say that Bowden turned down this very idea. Back to this digging in his heels idea, he seems to continue to be obstinate behind the scenes while suddenly becoming silent on the public (media) front. Obviously, this would be an improvement over the current situation, but it's not ideal. FSU fans need to hope that Florida State isn't in a mood to negotiate, but rather tells Bowden to take it or leave it. The upshot to this is that he would immediately announce to all that that 2010 is the final season and all the future recruits would know it. He'd also need to keep a lid on his family members, who seem to pop off at the mouth at the most inopportune times for the program. Remember that the big boosters who "get it" have already prevailed over those who do not. I don't know if Bowden will come around and acquiesce to these terms, but he isn't dictating here. He does have a chance to take the low road and make things ugly for a few weeks, and again, nothing in the past decade indicates that he will do anything but make this a messy, uncomfortable situation.
In the best case scenario, the boosters put together a package, FSU leans on Bowden, lets him know that next season will be incredibly uncomfortable and awkward, and he announces that this will be his final season.
Personally, I think FSU will achieve the result in the best case scenario, in that Bowden will not be here next yea despite his strong desire to continue to be called "coach", but that Bowden will get his money and embarrass the university and himself in the process with his public comments. In either scenario, Fisher would go from 4th in command, where he currently sits, to 1st in command. He'd be able to address the team. It wouldn't be a big deal if Bowden missed practice because of TV obligations or health reasons.
If there's something Florida State must avoid, it is misunderstanding on the part of Bowden Bowden mustn't be allowed to cause trouble next season. I do not trust him to keep his mouth shut and avoid making inflammatory comments to the media during Fisher's fist season with any actual control.
I've also heard that there is a chance Chuck Amato, defensive ends coach Jody Allen, or both, could be out this week. Other than Bowden, they are Florida State's two worst coaches. Some believe that Amato is actively undermining the efforts of Fisher, and everybody agrees that Allen is laughably unqualified. You'll remember that Allen is the coach who is rumored to have been punched in practice, damaging two of his teeth. The Seminole players deserve better. If this comes to fruition, Florida State has several options to quickly fill their spots. Todd Stroud, the current strength coach, is regarded as a good defensive ends or linebackers coach. He could fill Amato's role and give the entire defensive line to Odell Haggins (most programs only have one defensive line coach). Or, Stroud could take over the defensive ends coaching position, and Florida State could bring in Chris Demarest, a former excellent defensive coach at Rutgers under Greg Schiano who is currently available. He would be coming in as a defensive coordinator, however, but rather a position coach. FSU should be in position to hire an excellent defensive coordinator. Demarest is also a phenomenal recruiter, particularly in the South Florida Area. Pairing Demarest with current recruiting coordinator/ tight ends coach James Coley would give FSU a realistic chance to fight Miami for some of Dade County's top prospects, even in the Cane's backyard.
It should be an interesting week. I think Florida State will make an announcement before Friday. They do not want to have a blacked out section of student seating on national television. We'll stay on top of things the best we can.
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Excellent post as always
You guys are the bomb! I would be very happy to get rid of Jody Allen and the Chest. Awesome!
Honestly, and I hate to say this.............
going 2-3 was the bes possible thing that could have happened to this program in the long run.
From BB’s body language I firmly believe he sees the writing on the wall, I also believe he will be “compensated” and remain fairly quiet but we will hear some BS from the likes of the kid’s.
Either way we will have an actual staff next yr working together to win.
I also am very impressed with Jimbo’s ability to play all this down he played his cards very very well here.
If you build it, they will come.
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by stevegrizzle on Oct 6, 2009 4:05 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
+1
Agreed re: 2-3 and Jimbo’s professionalism.
As fans its been awful watching the head coach get paid to both not make adjustments nor work with his staff and players during the game, and then take no responsibility and respond with idioms and cliches with the media.
Meanwhile, Jimbo has actively worked with the players and coaches in-game and professionally worked with the media in all circumstances I’ve witnessed.
Its been very impressive watching a man that is a control freak to humble himself while a mess has been made around him. Anyone who knows or is a control freak could only fathom the amount of discretion Jimbo has had to employ in his time here.
"I got a PBS mind in an MTV world"...Jimmy Buffett
by The Ryno and I Know on Oct 6, 2009 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah +1
I think if CTC and JA get the boot before next week it will send a very strong message to recruits and players alike.
It will be very interesting to see who comes in to fill their shoes, I admittedly dont know much about the position coaches mentioned……….also if there will be a better selection from which to choose at years end………but hey I think we can always shake thing up after the year if things dont go well from now.
If you build it, they will come.
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Bowden deserves no additional money
He should get what is coming to him under the contract and nothing more. But if some wealthy boosters plan to finance a package on their own I can live with it. I question how anyone with that kind of money could be so stupid as to give it to an 80 year old man who already has more than he could possibly spend, but I guess that is their business.
I think it’s going to get really really ugly in the coming weeks, but everyone from the fans on up to Spetman and the trustees have to stay tough and committed to making this the last season. It feels terrible to be 4-5 games into a year and already know it is a wasted season. Think how bad those offseason months will feel when we know 2010 could very well be just as bad.
Unless this week’s announcement says Bowden is gone immediately, then I say anyone who planned to wear black should go ahead and do it. Don’t let any of the participants in this saga get the idea that they can turn back now. They have proven time and again that they will not get rid of this old man on their own. WE HAVE TO KEEP THE PRESSURE ON THEM!
Don't forget the investment scandal from a few years ago,
The Bowdens lost quite a bit of their nest egg. They don’t have quite as much as you’d think.
by FtLauderdaleNole on Oct 6, 2009 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes sort of,
and by their own family too!!
by FtLauderdaleNole on Oct 6, 2009 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Great Recap Piece
even for those who haven’t been following the goings on as closely as those of us who have been reading everything written here and those linked stories to credible members of the media (eg. AC, Jeff Cameron etc.) should have no problems understanding/following what you are saying in this article.
The series of stories that the writers/contributors of this site have put out over the past 8-9 months have been phenomenal in helping us who don’t live in FL understand how FSU is perceived in a lot of different viewpoints. They also have been great at showing just how absurd the inner workings at FSU’s football program have gotten. If these kind of stories had been publisized on a more national level over the past few years we wouldn’t be still living off of past glories (tried to be as nice as possible with the wording of that last phrase).
Re: Paying Bowden to go away
if we do end up giving him more than the $1M that he’s got in his contract we should force him to sign a confidentiality clause that forces him to remain positive about FSU or even silent about “why now”. I’d even try to get it to include his family members such as Terry, Tommy and Ann. Ditto Chuck.
I’ve got no doubts that Mickey would not do anything harmful to the program after hearing about the selfless act he took on in returning to FSU this year to spare us the rediculousness that is CTC.
Confidentiality clause... The whole family?
How about the neighbors, dogs, mailman, etc… I have always thought, unless you are dealing with military secrets or the coke formula, that is soooooo overblown. The lawyers and paper pushers of the world love to create these things and make their jobs and what is being “hushed” seem more important than it is. Bobby should not (I guess) go balistic and say wild things, but his kids? this is USA isn’t it? what are people afraid of? no… the hatchet men want a nice “show” and for those who are out of the loop to see a bit of tension, but a unified regime change. BLURK! CTC/JA bye bye… both can and will (if desired) find work. There is always a program, albeit smaller and less prestige, who will hire an experienced hand. I will be there for the Maryland game, kinda for morbid/personal reasons… tv will not do justice to the hypocricy that will be on full display that day. JIMBO 2010 we shall see… we shall see… BTW; Will our new HC keep OC duties? do all the play calling? Will the trickett experiment continue? (love the lean bodies up front) This will be fun. I have too much FSU gear and decorations, and I know in time I will “come around”… but as I wear my jerseys on game day and during the winter/spring have my FSU things all around, I will in a perverse way be enjoying the humdrum we are like everybody else results. I know, I am no true FSU fan, a Bobby boy… yes/no. I just hate mob mentality and the idea that this or ANY website really does anything to change big time positions or policy… stroke that ego boys… be careful what we wish for.
Yes, I nominate Wolffbird7 as the new TN Poet Laureate!
I especially like the cryptic warning at the end. It reads much like a prophecy from the Greek Oracles. Ambivalent and opaque.
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You prattle on like somebody is still listening to you at this point
Are you Bobby?
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Better to bear the rebuke of the wise than to hear the song of fools
In the msinformation game that is recruiting,
the only way to win is to control the ammo you give the enemy.
I’ll let others handle the rest.
This week
So it sounds like we should get an answer on Bowden this week?
by Drew J Jones on Oct 6, 2009 4:56 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
I'll still sit and hope for a clean break
but I fear you are right about the ugliness to follow, FSUn. I don’t have as much of a problem cutting Bobby (who has done stuff) a check as I did Jeff (who did nothing, except have the right last name). It’s sad to see the bitter, unprofessional man Bobby has become.
Demarest
Any reason why he is no longer at Rutgers and is currently unemployed?
by cousinjay on Oct 6, 2009 6:44 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Don't need to bring up the details..
But he had some legal issues. The charges were dropped completely but the damage had already been done. He is currently a high school coach at Hudson Catholic in New Jersey.
Is he a legitimate candidate or just spit balling names?
I googled him and he looks like a good fit.
Thats the worst I have ever seen Bobby look
He throws his wife under the bus, makes fun of a woman reporter, and just looks as sour as he can be.
Why would we want him anywhere near the team right now?
Watching his comments
after last nights practice was really kinda heartbreaking.
You can see how upset Bobby is about the whole thing and you hate to see that it has come to this. But you can also see in his face that he has absolutely no idea what is happening or why. He’s just too old to process everything. He’s basically senile. I wish it could have been more graceful an exit. I’ll always love him, but I’ll love him more if he just goes away.
Agree
It’s time. Still you feel bad for someone when it comes to this.
Wish it could’ve happened on his terms, but it’s too late for that now.
by PBD on Oct 6, 2009 9:04 AM EDT up reply actions
I wish he would accept this so we could throw a damn celebration for the stubborn old mule!
Hopefully, he will not turn this into a blood bath and will ride off into the sunset. I have this vision of a huge party in Doak Campbell Stadium. Let him see that people want to celebrate everything that he has accomplished. He doesn’t have a statue and a field named after him for nothing. We could do it before the Maryland game.
Then again, if he’s still unhappy, he might walk on stage and say “You kids get off my lawn!”
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It would have been nice
To enjoy these twilight years with him up in the box, looking down on the players—making appearances after games— shaking hands with players saying things like "you know, I used to coach a kid a lot like you—he went on to win the heisman trophy, etc… That would have been awesome…
But wait… Coach Bowden is, was and always will be an Alabama man…
So no, screw him. Forget him. He did great things here but he has ALWAYS loved himself more than he loves this university.
I was @ school when they build the statues; the stained glass. Its an awful lot for a man I have NEVER seen say “I LOVE FSU. THANK YOU for EVERYTHING.”
FORGET Him. Really, forget him.
by Trus1te on Oct 6, 2009 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I still think its funny TN had been on this for the last year
If not more and the rest of the world is just now picking it up. I kills me that some people want Fisher out too. They say he hasnt show us anything yet. Well to me he has shown that he can recruit. He can make an offense that can score and that he can get at least 1/2 a coaching staff that can do there jobs. If what Jimbo has done at FSU is a bad thing then I need to stop watching football and start smoking crack.
Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry
The problem is that they are looking solely at results and not the process, which is what this site focuses on.
by evenflow58 on Oct 6, 2009 8:13 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Anyone Else Notice....
Uncensored come the the defense of his girl HD?
Way to protect your woman’s honor, FSUn!
That part of the story probably brought a smile to HD's face.
As she played with Bud’s chest hair while they waited for room service this morning.
by The K-Man on Oct 6, 2009 10:07 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
haha this is awesome imagery Kman
if this were even remotely true, I would have to start a gossip blog about FSU’s sports writers
Who’s Jeff Cameron sleeping with? Is he just as angry and aggressive in bed as he is on the radio? Is Bud Elliot sleeping his way to the top of ESPN? Are Todd Mcshay and Mel Kiper secret lovers?
by NorthernHaze on Oct 6, 2009 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions
If you were a regular reader here you would have read where Bud on more than one occassion has said he is 6'3" 225 lbs and HAIRLESS.
Apparently HD prefers it this way.
>-----:----:------>Spear 'em then Scalp 'em
I’ve also heard that there is a chance Chuck Amato, defensive ends coach Jody Allen, or both, could be out this week.
Man I would love to see this live. I want to see him throw his red shoes up on a tel phone pole as the door hits his @$$ on the way out. I also am glad I never learned the name of the DE/ST coach because I think about him and think back to when Angle was in the WWe and that chant (YOU SUCK, YOU SUCK ) is all you could here.
Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry
My question is
How in the world is Fsu favored by 2.5 points against GT this week. Our D is the most undisciplined in college football, and got absolutely murdered last year by the Jackets. Combine that with all of these distractions, and a divided coaching staff. What am I missing here? I never bet against my team, but this just seems ridiculous.
by Zach_Nole on Oct 6, 2009 7:10 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Its vages tring to keep BB around to help them make money the rest of the year.
I hope we win dont get me wrong but with all the drama going on this is going to be a hard week. and the option on top of that. Our Offense has its hands full right now.
Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry
Vegas lines are based as much on perception as they are reality. The perception is that FSU is a better team because FSU has a more storied history. Plus, GTech’s D is awful and the O is not as sharp as last year, which is probably because teams have seen it before and are better prepared. My take, take GTech.
An 8O-year old Bobby will re-invent himself midweek, the defensive line was bit by radioactive spiders, and Amato will stop having his linebackers do Slip n’ Slide during practice and begin instructing them on how to play football.
Lay the points!!!!
by The K-Man on Oct 6, 2009 9:50 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Did you see what I did last week? Still shocked
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Week 5 Jax +8.5/ Wash -1 100 100
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this is so sad
I love coach bowden, but this is awful. this is a sad day for FSU.
drizzle daddy wuz here
He could have retired gracefully.
Didn’t Tom Osborne do it after Nebraska’s 1997 championship? Bobby could have left on top after 1999, but i don’t think grace is a part of the equation anymore. $$$ trumps everything.
It’s sad but that’s the truth.
keeping BB on next year would be a disaster as well
That can ONLY be uncomfortable and just plain won’t work. That’s like having 2 managers over the same dept – no way that works. That would also totally emasculate BB and that shouldn’t be allowed either – as much as I want him gone. This HAS to be the last year. Make a clean break and start fresh.
Given our beloved University’s perpensity to placate BB at each and every turn, and their total buffoonery in this whole affair up until now – I’m from MO on this one folks – I’ll believe it when I see it – but it does sound encouraging.
I do agree that given past behaviour – BB is likely to pitch a scene and make this ugly – if so then so be it and be done with it. The excitement that the Jimbo era would bring would make that negative press very short lived I believe.
someone please explain
did uncensored mean that Demarest would come in as DC or not? or would he be a position coach?
I'm a realist so
I have no problem giving him money to leave. I don’t think he deserves it, but the program wants to look like they have done everything possible for the man to leave no logical reason for him to complain. I am sure all post game pressers will be awkward, Ann will complain, and Bobby might say something stupid a few times but I hope that is the extent of the uglyness. Dropping Chuck and Jody might be enough to pick up another win. As bad as we have looked Clemson, UNC, and GT haven’t been world beaters.
Dropping Chuck and Jody isn't going to magically make players better
…they have been coached inproper technique and scheme since they started here and it is going to take at least a full offseason to break them of their bad habits.
Look at the 2000 AL ROY voting and try not to laugh.
right but
it give them game experience with proper coaching to change.
also give recruiters positive news to show
If you build it, they will come.
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It isn't going to make them any worse.
A new coach may teach them how to tackle the guy with the ball.
by vegasnole9399 on Oct 6, 2009 8:55 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree...
…but don’t expect that to result in any more wins.
Look at the 2000 AL ROY voting and try not to laugh.
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pt willis on now….interviewew jeff cameron already….this is all over the place now.
by jasonole59 on Oct 6, 2009 8:40 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
I just listened all the way through...
the 3 commenters on the end of the PT Willis interview were all Pro-Bowden… Completely oblivious that coaching is this man’s JOB!!!
That's because he lost his job last time he said something negative
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It's gone too far. No way Bowden is allowed to be here next year..
I have six locks on my door all in a row. When I go out, I only lock every other one. I figure no matter how long somebody stands there picking the locks, they are always locking three.
Elayne Boosler
Urban Meyer Chimes In
Pope Urban brings the hammer to nail the coffin shut.
“I have great respect for coach Bowden, and we’ve become pretty good friends,” Meyer said Monday as pressure mounted for Bowden to step down at the end of this season. “It’s the nature of the beast. It’s not the positive part of this coaching profession. There are so many positives, and that’s the back end of the negative. I just have a lot of respect for him.”
When your mortal enemy starts leading the parade to keep you, it’s time for you to go. The Boosters will see this and wrap this situation up fast.
by Nole_Fan_Til_I_Die on Oct 6, 2009 9:00 AM EDT reply actions
He truly does respect Bowden.
I don’t know why, personally. I mean, yeah, BB’s a legend and whatnot, but from this Gator’s perspective, he represents a lot that’s wrong with the sport — a cavalier attitude to the shameful cheating scandal, joking about the “echo of the whistle” i.e. late hits and injuries, filling his coaching ranks with cronies, lack of accountability, etc.
This came up before when Urban’s book, called “Urban’s Way” was being written. The author, Buddy Martin, had a small section in the book about rivals and Meyer’s amazing 12-1 record vs. Florida’s rivals in his first three years as head coach, and went on to compare him to Bowden, which cast Bowden in a negative light. Meyer refused to allow that part of the book to be published, saying he did not want anything to appear within that could be perceived as being disrespectful to Bowden. He was quoted at the time saying something like “I have a lot of respect for Coach Bowden and his accomplishments.”
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Meyer's smart enough to know that you don't want to slight Bowden
and awaken the napping old beast. That’s the only way we beat anyone these days.
Hmm.
Not defending Bowden’s behavior here (actually attacked the “Good Christian Man” image the other day), but Urban Meyer ain’t exactly bringing up model citizens. And if we’re going to get into corruption, I’ll note that your boys down in Hogtown sure seem to get away with it a lot.
I had to chime in on this one
To this observer, BB represents a lot of things wrong with management in America (nepotism, selfishness & greed, thinking he’s above the rules). Beyond that, he’s the same as every other big time head coach. Who wouldn’t cheat in an online music course?? (except Gator players, of course) And what are you talking about late hits and injuries? I wouldn’t be surprised one bit when UF throws a concussed Tebow out on the field Saturday night to play LSU since he’s of no use to the University in 3 months.
I’m not sure why every Gator fan thinks that everything wrong with FSU and other programs doesn’t apply to them. It’s actually hilarious.
I think they are up to 26 arrests under Meyer now.
Don't make me bring out the gator rapsheet
It would freeze this page. We haven’t had any players driving the getaway cars in armed robberies yet nor attempting to throw their girlfriends over balconies. Spurrier new about the sports agent payola to half the team a year before he opened his mouth also. Yeah gator players driving mercedes and Stevil didn’t know anything about it.
I am sure Herban loves BB it is a guaranteed win every year and easy to recruit against. Bobby would never say anything bad about Herban either because he can’t remember who he is.
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by Drew J Jones on Oct 6, 2009 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Gator Rapsheet...
If you want to see the Gator Rapsheet look up my old Fan Post of Janoris Jenkis Charges Deffered. You posted the Gator & Hurrican Rapsheets on there. I also saved them in Word Document so if ANYONE wants a copy just shoot me an e-mail Tonyfsufan1@yahoo.com or myspace.com/pcbnole its a VERY interesting read. Sickning to be honest
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by PanamaCityBeach-NOLE on Oct 6, 2009 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Demarest
What is his situation? Didn’t he have some legal troubles recenty? Domestic violence maybe? I know he has ties to FSU, I think he was a GA in 1999. Why is he not coaching now? That is my only concern…we can’t be bringing people in with any sort of controversy associated with them. There is going to be enough scrutiny as it is…
Demarest
he is the AD and HC at a highschool in NJ and i do agree with you on your statement but he is the type of coach that can come in a trouble kid home and say hey look at me i also been in the same position as you are in and i changed my life around
Good article!
I just wanted to add that Bowden not having a contract option is not necessary correct. He does have an contract option for future season which is a publicly made oral contract in which those with the powers to be have stated Bowden could come back as long as he wants. Under contract law a court will most likely side with Bowden.
I doubt that.....highly
though my business ethics and law class was a while ago…..
lawyer types??
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And im assuming that it was not your best subject
Unless Bowden has signed and/or agreed other wise under the UCC and contract law the public statements of bowden of “coaching for life” is enough for the Univiersity to likely be held in a breach of contract and liable for torts..
I believe under the UCC
anything over a year has to be in writing.
I believe you are correct
Normally over a year it must be in writing but that is also where contract law comes in. The fact that the univerisity has made many and various public and im sure private statements about Bowden coaching for as long as he wants does not hold well for them if it gets ugly.
read below
he signed a contract last year that clearly was contrary to that statement fo coaching for life, since it was a 1 yr contract…………
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by stevegrizzle on Oct 6, 2009 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions
It's not that simiple
Does that contract state that the contract for life is no longer vaild?? I havent heard anything about that and also if i remember correctly life statements have been said after he once again signed his lastest 1 deal.
The thing is if the Universitys actions/comments and even inactions lead Bowden and another reasonable person to believe that he had a contract for life they will be liable for torts.
He signed a contract last year did he not?
And i got an A int he class it was just 6 yrs ago…….
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by stevegrizzle on Oct 6, 2009 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Unless Bowden has signed and/or agreed other wise under the UCC and contract law the public statements of bowden of "coaching for life" is enough for the Univiersity to likely be held in a breach of contract and liable for torts..
He signed a contract a yr that said otherwise, man you are so clever you couldnt figure that out for your self. Anyone can regurgitate info, sometime you need to think a bit.
:)
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by stevegrizzle on Oct 6, 2009 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think the UCC applies here as it relates to the sale of goods. Bowden’s contract involves “services.”
Uh, not likely.
Is this what they’re teaching at Florida Coastal these days?
I feel bad for Bowden
He is very proud of his accomplishments… I really don’t think he’s flashing his guns and desperately grasping for money on the way out the door.
He needed to be coached into retirement. I put this on his family for not supporting him; my dad is pushing 65 and he’s still sharp but I consider myself responsible for taking care of him when the time comes.
The Bowdens were once the first family of football. If they really knew anything about football, they would know whether its Xs and Os, politics, or money, the changing times come knocking and they will always leave behind everyone who doesn’t accept it.
I can't believe how many retarded FSU fans we still have
I was listening to a Tampa area radio show and there were a number of alleged FSU fans calling in, saying how Jimbo is the root of all this and that he is undermining Bobby Bowden, etc., etc. Get a clue people!
That is why bobby needs to go immediately
Time to put an end to that type speculation and the opportunity to fan it by the likes of Amato, bobby’s half wit sons and the rest of it. That is why a clean break is needed and that is why Jim Smith said enough is enough.
Retarded fans like that would better off watching bingo anyway because they are not getting much out of football to begin with. I would not give BB one dime over the one million called for in the contract. It is on paper and that is exactly why you put contracts in writing.
I don’t even know why Wetherell put that clause in. You coach for 2.5 mil a year until we decide not to renew it.
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Better to bear the rebuke of the wise than to hear the song of fools
Heard on the news this morning that some former players
were coming to his defense, like Deion Sanders? Anybody hear that story, and how would that impact the situation? I personally doubt it has much impact.
http://nolesports.tallahassee.com/article/20091006/FSU03/910060320
No impact likely. Especially with comments like this:
“It just angers me that you are going to kill a man while he’s alive. At least have a proper funeral for him. He’s still living. He can see how you are treating him.”
Wait, should we wait till he’s dead to kill him? Do you normally have a funeral for a person that is still living? They are wearing black in Doak this week? Does that count?
“It angers me because I know what he means to me and the generation before me, and the generation after me. To disrespect him in this manner and place the blame on him for the football program, that’s ignorant.”
Who should be blamed for the state of the football program if not the head coach?
“And the last time I checked, Coach Bowden didn’t even had a headset on the sidelines. So he’s not calling any plays. He’s not making any of those decisions through the course of a game. So when you really start to assess blame, assess the blame to people who are to blame.”
Dieon, please state what you think a head coach should be doing?
I’m honestly glad Dieon never graduated from FSU. He says some of the dumbest things I’ve ever heard.
Deion for Head Coach!
To summarize that last quote:
He doesn’t actually coach so he deserves zero blame for what happens on the field.
But if we win, he gets another notch in the win column.
Sounds like a perfect job to me, Mr. Neon.
by The K-Man on Oct 6, 2009 10:21 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Why not?
This would be the only team on which Deion Sanders coaching might actually improve the tackling.
by Drew J Jones on Oct 6, 2009 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Deion is great football player
But he is certainly giving the lie to those who say he went to class. We have the same problem we had with Deion, players aren’t tackling.
Playstation All American, right again!
TomahawkNation
Better to bear the rebuke of the wise than to hear the song of fools
Thanks for supporting FSU, Deion
and encouraging Noel Devine to go to WVU. Such an asset to this University, you are. Or at least, part of that word.
Deion coaching would be eerily similar to Amato
Lots of emphasis on fashion and freelancing. “Make plays.”
>>---l>
I say we bring him to strictly teach tackling...
…Mangum went to his offseason camp and we saw how awesome that worked out
Look at the 2000 AL ROY voting and try not to laugh.
BowdenGate 2
So what is bigger the chesting Scandle or this. To much drama going to get to the players. At least Fisher can write this season off on drama with recruits and not that we have a bad team. In a way all this carp might help out more than just getting coaching changes faster. That would be nice.
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Anyone notice....
How Oasis’ “Wonderwall” is a strangely fitting ballad for Bobby and TK?
Today is gonna be the day that they’re gonna throw me back to you
By now, you should’ve somehow realized what you gotta do
I don’t believe that anybody feels the way I do about you now
Backbeat, the word is on the street that the fire in your heart is out
I’m sure you’ve heard it all before, but you never really had a doubt
I don’t believe that anybody feels the way I do about you now
And all the roads we have to walk are winding
And all the lights that lead us there are blinding
There are many things that I would like to say to you, but I don’t know how
Because maybe you’re gonna be the one that saves me
And after all, you’re my wonderwall
Today was gonna be the day, but they’ll never throw me back to you
By now, you should’ve somehow realized what you’re not to do
I don’t believe that anybody feels the way I do about you now
And all the roads that lead you there were winding
And all the lights that light the way are blinding
There are many things that I would like to say to you, but I don’t know how
I said maybe you’re gonna be the one that saves me
And after all, you’re my wonderwall
It is time for Bowden to step down, but
this blackout thing is just disrepectful. How could anyone call themselves a Seminole fan and take part in this? It’s one thing to say the man needs to go, flat out disrespecting him on national TV is just wrong.
by Cane Ressurection on Oct 6, 2009 9:46 AM EDT reply actions
I agree, it is disrepectful
and how can this Jim Smith guy come out from the woodwork to grand stand for his 15 minutes of fame. Does nobody respect the man who built the entire program and brought 2 national championships?
by TrueBBNole74 on Oct 6, 2009 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Why because he lost a few games?
He is still our head coach and built the program and National Championships
What does that mean?
Should he literally stay until he dies?
Does he have the right to take us all the way back to nothing?
If I do you a favor, do I have the right until the day I die to hold it over your head. This guy is making 2.5 mil a year, I would hardly say he is doing this out of charity.
Bowden's not the same guy that he was then...
He made a choice to let the bad feelings he had regarding the whole Jeff Bowden fiasco consume him. Not everything works out the way you want it to. Bowden wasn’t able to move on, so now FSU has too…
I have six locks on my door all in a row. When I go out, I only lock every other one. I figure no matter how long somebody stands there picking the locks, they are always locking three.
Elayne Boosler
It's Still a JOB. He has a job to do.
He isn’t doing it. He doesn’t call the plays? Fine. He should still be responsible for removing the rest of the cancer from the program: Allen, Amato, etc… and at least hold his assistants accountable.
They won 9 games last year
and are a drop pass at Miami, and a drop INT at BC from being 4-1
by TrueBBNole74 on Oct 6, 2009 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yes.
And if the coaching weren’t completely dysfunctional, they’d probably be 5-0.
by Drew J Jones on Oct 6, 2009 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions
But Jimbo had nothing to do with that.
You cant have it both ways. You dont say he isnt to blame for this mess, but credit him for the victories
Why would you mention the 9 games won last year?
What is it that Bobby had to do with those?
*smacks forehead*
Damn coonhound, you are right, my bad. Thanks for the reminder.
Was he not the head coach, and leader of the team
I didn’t bash Jimbo. Just think the disrespect and arrogance around here is thick.
by TrueBBNole74 on Oct 6, 2009 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions
I will ask you this
Did you think Jeff Bowden had to go?
If you did, did you think it was disrespectful for Bobby to call you a playstation all american for your opinion?
It should have been Bobby's decision to when Jeff left.
by TrueBBNole74 on Oct 6, 2009 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions
WHAT?!!
If you believe that, I am officially done responding to you. He would still be here!!
Any credibility you had (not much)….oh dear God.
Most coaches around the country get to choose their coordinators
and fire them
by TrueBBNole74 on Oct 6, 2009 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions
breaking my rule for one last response.
He skirted state laws by hiring his son. NEPOTISM!!!!
He should not have been hired. Also, coaches are pressured all the time to fire coordinators that should not be running a particular side of the ball. This is ridiculous.
I agree with this but I would also say that Bobby should have held Jeff, and all his coaches, to a higher standard than the one he did in that situation.
Ultimately this is a job. He’s not getting the job done at a level that is acceptable for the majority of FSU fans and, therefore, failing. You are certainly correct in saying FSU might not be where it is if Bobby never came along but that’s irrelavent. FSU has been middling for almost 9 years now. Paruse this site and you will quickly find that the record this year is not as simple as a dropped pass against Miami. It’s much more than that.
You could say that FSU fans are spoiled because of the play of the ’90’s. I would argue that expectations were raised and it isn’t like FSU fans are expecting a NC every year but rather to be relavent. FSU is not relavent. Bobby has had time to fix the problem and has even said he knew what the problem is but things have stayed the same.
As a fan it is not acceptable for 9 wins to be the high water mark for FSU. It’s acceptable to have down years. It is not acceptable to have a down decade.
Ultimately what’s going to do (has done) Bobby in is the fact that fans aren’t showing up. Yes it’s a down economy but money is still being spent and it’s not at FSU football.
You don't know the half of my arrogance.
Because you aren’t as smart as I am.
by MattDNole on Oct 6, 2009 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
WOW you must be the resident comedian
or you really are that full of yourselves
by TrueBBNole74 on Oct 6, 2009 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Disrespect and arrogance
Hmmmm, sounds a lot like our HC.
by CSI Nole on Oct 6, 2009 10:39 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
How are we a dropped INT from winning at BC
…I am pretty sure he game was tied at that point
Look at the 2000 AL ROY voting and try not to laugh.
to not acknowledge the fact that as emotional fans, we are susceptible to knee-jerk reactions
would be a very silly mistake. You are right that we seem very close to a 4-1 record.
The on field problems must be analyzed though…
-our defensive line and linebackers are not adequately sized/strong enough to maximize our potential, and get caught out of position, making us vulnerable to the run
-our lack of pass rush pressure allows even inexperienced QBs time to find the holes in our half-veteran, half-unskilled secondary
-our offense has problems punching in the TDs, but seems to be very good moving the ball in general, relative to the defenses we have faced thus far
by NorthernHaze on Oct 6, 2009 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions
we're a dropped Jax St INT from being 1-4.
Thanks for playing hypothetical football.
by The K-Man on Oct 6, 2009 10:35 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
What if and almost are not the question here
Miami 476 total yards
BYU 473 total yards
USF 368 total yards
BC 411 total yards
Hows falt is this. Say its MA, CTC and the rest of the Def coaches but BB as the HC it the one that at the top. Its not like we were like this only this year. Our Def has goon down hill for years now.
Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry
That is the problem.
With our talent, we should not be “one dropped pass” from beating BC. They were picked to finish last in our division. And that doesn’t explain USF.
Bowden could have avoided this by allowing Fisher to pick his staff and not creating a schizm on his staff by having half the coaches loyal to him and having at least as much power as Fisher. If he’s going to do that, he needs to be a very strong manager. By all accounts he is anything but that these days.
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by GonzoNole on Oct 6, 2009 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I know you just joined today...
…but have you read any article prior to this one?
Look at the 2000 AL ROY voting and try not to laugh.
by RaysnNoles on Oct 6, 2009 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yes I just finally thought I would speak up about the fact that the bashing is disrespectful
by TrueBBNole74 on Oct 6, 2009 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Are you serious?
Are you really asking what the head coach should be accountable for?
Here is the argument at the Whiskey Charlie:
A) He’s old and thus, should be treated differently. Actually, our wins should be multiplied by 1.5 and our losses .5 at the end of the season.
2) He was successful in the past. Once you become successful and comfortable, you are no longer required to work and thus, you cannot be evaluated. You have earned the right to occupy a desk and collect a check.
D) Y’all are mean.
iii) Jimbo Fisher undermines this whole operation. He’s intentions are nefarious and we should all donate $1000.00 to buy his contract out so dear Bobby can get back to X’s and O’s
Man, I wish I could work for some of these guys
I would be sittin on easy street.
Jim Smith is one of the original 6 I believe that brought BB to Tally
He is close friends with the family. Imagine how hard it is for him to have to be the one to point out that enough is enough. Bobby did this to himself.
He didn't come out of the 'woodwork'
I am sure he has been working with the “Powers that Be” for many years now, behind closed doors, to try and find a solution to this problem.
BB’s ignorance and stuborness has brought this on himself.
Look at the 2000 AL ROY voting and try not to laugh.
How are you sure?
Seems like we go 2-3 and everyone wants to tar and feather a legend
by TrueBBNole74 on Oct 6, 2009 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions
We wanted to tar and feather him many years ago
Now we are just making it public
Look at the 2000 AL ROY voting and try not to laugh.
Well I guess I will go sit in the corner and think about my actions
Look at the 2000 AL ROY voting and try not to laugh.
You should stop disrespecting Bowden and help him retire before he keeps embarrassing himself and his legacy.
If you had respect for him you would’ve been writing him letters to please step down years ago.
Those National Championships were great.
If you did wonderful things for your wife years ago but now verbally abuse and neglect her, she deserves a divorce.
It’s called “responsibility and accountability”.
by The K-Man on Oct 6, 2009 10:40 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
and you don't even have sex with your wife anymore...
…you let your friends (JA and CTC) f*&k it all
Look at the 2000 AL ROY voting and try not to laugh.
He could have gone out one of the most loved college football coaches of all time.
He’d be thought of by FSU fans the same way as Bama fans think of Bear Bryant. He is ruining his own legacy. He may get it back down the road, but at this point he may not be around to see it happen.
We would have gladly thrown him a celebration, but now he wants to go down with guns blazin’.
You want to beat up an 80 year old man
with diabetes?
by TrueBBNole74 on Oct 6, 2009 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions
I respected him for what he did for the program but
HOW CAN YOU DESTROY SOMETHING YOU HELP BUILD.
Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry
It's a two way street Cane,
Bowden has shown general contempt for the fans as the years have gone by. He is bitter about what happened to Jeffy and won’t ever forgive anyone for it. He stopped respecting us awhile ago, so I’m not too upset about it.
He won’t go quietly. He never embraced Jimbo taking over. His kids are lobbying for him to collect a check and retain his office indefinitely, in clear contradiction to the terms laid out for Jimbo. This is toxic. And unfortunately, stunts like wearing black shirts is necessary.
There is no happy farewell for this man. He lost his chance at that.
Two phrases concerning disrespect
“Playstation All-Americans” and “ya’ll should be glad I still want to coach here”
I'll be honest
Im hoping it is a ruse to spur action. I joined the facebook page and all that, but its the solution Im after. I would think that if on Thursday, Amato and Allen were gone (immediately), AND Bobby were to say exactly when he was stepping down that we wouldnt need to do that. The blackout is a catalyst for change. Imagine if this had not started. We wouldn’t have been on ESPN, the BOT might not have spoken up. Think of all that just an idea has started. It has already been a success.
I repeat, IF what FSUn said comes to fruition, we could purge 2 of the biggest liabilities on our coaching roster. This is HUGE. So yeah, personally, I would prefer to not see any black on Saturday, but its time we spoke up, our quiet complaints were going unheard.
The Facebookers
People need to make them aware that if it is announced:
1. The garbage coaches are gone, especially immediately and
2. That Bowden is done after this season, then
The Black Out needs to be called off. Fans need to show support with the actions that the university has taken (finally taken). Maybe they are all aware of that and that is the current plan. Just thought I would throw that out there.
Not an alcoholic, just an FSU grad.
lol if you guys were 2-3 youd be calling for shannons head
canes fans talking respect how ironic
If you build it, they will come.
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by stevegrizzle on Oct 6, 2009 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Actually, we would have been happy with 2-2 when the season started.
I’ve been nothing but respectful since I started posting here. Miami has fired one coach in the past 30 years.
Seminole fans comparing Randy Shannon to Bobby Bowden, how ironic.
by Cane Ressurection on Oct 6, 2009 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't know about you, but I would take Randy Shannon over Bobby
by basbalstr101 on Oct 6, 2009 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions
We'd take just about anyone over Bowden
by CSI Nole on Oct 6, 2009 10:54 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I would take Mimais Def coaching over ours thats about it.
Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry
That's why we have assistant coaches.
Randy knows he can’t do it himself. Let him go get the groceries and let Whipple do the cooking. Randy will come into his own. Remember this is his first head coaching gig.
by Cane Ressurection on Oct 6, 2009 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Remember, this is not about one 2-3 season
It goes back to before we lost 0-30 to Wake Forest at home. That was just the tipping point. The new “HCIW” program was supposed to fix those problems. This season shows it hasn’t.
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Love this logic
And I’m not being a smart ass with the title. This is how most head coaches work and I’ve been trying to explain it to the Bowden fans who say Jimbo will suck. Bowden lost the ability to field a quality staff and needs to go. Jimbo knows good up and coming coaches so we can get a staff that knows what they are doing and get back to where we should be. Its that simple with me.
by osceolafan850 on Oct 6, 2009 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Bobby sends CTC to Walgreen's at 7:30pm to grab some Vienna Sausages and some Lunchables
Then asks Jimbo to whip up somethin’ real nice for dinner.
by The K-Man on Oct 6, 2009 11:19 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
It is one thing to say he needs to go?
When you say for 8 years he needs to go and nobody listens it is time for a blackout. Those who disagree can keep jawing those who don’t and buy tickets or attend the university can continue with their opinion by having a black out. It should go on until Bobby is gone also. 8 years enough and it is comforting that Jim Smith agrees.
By the way cane I think you should bring back Coker and show him some respect.
Playstation All American, right again!
TomahawkNation
Better to bear the rebuke of the wise than to hear the song of fools
Gatorpilot you gator fans and your incessant whining about “late hits” STFU. Or dirty play for that matter. Again, STFU. Nothing like watching Mo Mitchell blindside Broderick well after the whistle, yet you phuggers w/ your holier than thou attitude, still have the gall to cast aspersions. You low rent jort wearing phukstiks cheer a lick on a QB as much, or mor, than anyone. Go stroke TT’s virgin loins a-hole.
And Geaux Tigers.
Ameica, Land of the free and home to the entitled.
you people should be ashamed
of yourselves for picking on such a cute, moderately sane, semi-mysogynist legend of college football. you come in here with your “facts” and statistics about the downfall of this program. well, bobby is the decider. he can decide how far he wants to drive this program into the ground and how much it will cost us. he has earned the right to do this.
this is a perfectly logical and rational arguement. oh, and thanks to all the gaytors and scUM for their sincere support for bobby bowden and the best interests of FSU Football.
by beachnole05 on Oct 6, 2009 10:45 AM EDT reply actions 5 recs
Has anybody
heard anything about an official statement. Either about Bobby calling it quits, or Fisher’s contract being official. Not that I’m a doubter, but it’d be nice to hear something from the top.
He brings up a good point
When should something be official?
If they make the changes needed I am not wearing black on Saturday.
I said it is time for Bowden to go.
It’s been time for a few years now. I’m not arguing for his job, I’m arguing for the student section, who aren’t old enough to even really remember how great he was, to show some respect. he wasn’t always a senile, old man.
P.S. Please don’t lump me in with Gators fan again.
by Cane Ressurection on Oct 6, 2009 10:51 AM EDT reply actions
The students have no other recourse though.
Not attending doesn’t make a difference, since we’ve already paid for the tickets through our tuition.
Student government representatives are not strong enough to make these types of statements.
The only way to show displeasure is by attending the game and demonstrating.
if you attended FSU from 2001 to 2009....
….You’ve been f****d by the Bowden family.
They squandered your 4-year opportunity at getting legimimately excited about the football team while constantly reminding you what Chollie and Warrick did in the past.
The students deserves their own Glory Years.
by The K-Man on Oct 6, 2009 11:00 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Sorry
I read that wrong…I have officially de-reailed
Look at the 2000 AL ROY voting and try not to laugh.
Dude...
take Golf and Stretching & Relaxation(yes its a real class) in the Fall. Gotta stay one more football season. I milked it so I could stay 5 football seasons (95-99)…those were good years.
You only get to go to college once…enjoy it while you can
ahhh golf
really got my swing worked out and may be the class I use most in my profession today.
If you build it, they will come.
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Just graduated in August
guess that was a good thing. I don’t think i would be able to sit through class right now
2004 to 2006 here.
Thank you Jeffy for two craptacular years.
by Drew J Jones on Oct 6, 2009 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Gives them a better perspective IMO
If you think about it, a lot of the older fans are blinded by the run from 2000 and prior. They refuse to see that the man can no longer do the job and half of his staff is a joke. The younger fans can look the results dead in the face and know they stick. I’m not blowing my own horn with this post by the way, I was in the stands for the good years. But I would put money on it that the first people to say the Emperor has no clothes are 26 and younger right now.
by osceolafan850 on Oct 6, 2009 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Wow..a cane fan coming here and lecturing us on how to treat our coach
that is schutzpah!
Believe it or not.....
I want what’s best for FSU. I would love to see y’all go 12-2 every year. Of course, the two looses being to us in the reg. season and ACCCG. Anyone who doesn’t see what’s happening with Bowden as sad, regardless of whether he asks for it, knows nothing of the tradition that he built.
by Cane Ressurection on Oct 6, 2009 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
usa today article....sorry on bberry and cant link
“Heat on Bowden” – chairman of fsu bot says he wants coaching legend to retire at seasons end. Has qoute from emily fleming duda that she was suprised jim made the comments. She said that it is the job of tk and spetman.said board should not be involved. She thinks we owe a great deal to bb and we will see what happens when the time comes for tk and spetman to do something.
Can someone sen emily a link to tn so she can be informed…
by Florida_State on Oct 6, 2009 10:54 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
duda is just a board member
trying to quiet the waters a bit, or so it seems. she also put the decision (and hopefully pressure) squarely in the laps of TK and spitman – that seems like a move in the right direction
She is trying to cover her ass as well as the Board's
It’s rare that a trustee will be this public with his thoughts on an athletic program. In fact, the Association of Governing Boards of Universities and Colleges advises against it in a document called “Statement on Board Responsibilities for Intercollegiate Athletics.”
The document says boards should view athletics with a dispassionate perspective. It also says boards should not be directly involved in the process of hiring and firing coaches and adds boards should establish a definition of success that goes beyond wins, losses and net revenue.
Look at the 2000 AL ROY voting and try not to laugh.
naturally
but she gave no indication that there was any disagreement with the direction we seem to be heading – just saying, it wasn’t that bad of a quote as implied above
I dont know how to quote
“I haven’t spoken with Mr. Smith about this,” she said. “I think we owe a great deal to Coach Bowden. He has built our program. And, in the same sense, I think Coach Fisher will do just fine, and I would like to see him, when the time comes or when the president and athletic director deem it necessary, do what he can do to turn the program.”
When I read that….do what he can to turn the program. So she admits there is something wrong, and arguably that since Jimbo will get a shot, I can make the leap that Bobby is the problem. Since BB built it though, we owe him a great deal, apparently a great deal is not 2.5 million a year.
To quote you first highlight the paragraph and then click on the " and it will box it in for you.
You should preview it first before posting.
Oh yeah, Bobby it’s time…
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Just like a pointed headed bureaucrat
They always have a handbook for everything as opposed to common sense. What does it say in the rule book when black outs go on forever until someone gets the message?
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what more does he want a field named after him, a program he build from the ground up
a statue, and how many zeros after a $ does he need. Owe him He Owes us for supporting him this damn long. I love him but hes killing himself and this program. How is that fair to the school, fans, and players.
Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry
I keep hearing the rumor that..
an anouncement comes tomorrow that it’s his last year.I hate to be that guy, but that’s the sweaty rumor of the day on my bberry.
Thats good
But any sort of official statement makes us look better
You know what pisses me off the most about this.
This is something that should have happened in the off season not the week of GT. Not the week we have 2 ACC loses and play the Trip option. Not the week when if we lose we are out of the ACC running 100%
We could win out and still go 8-4 (thought not likely)
We could still win the ACC
We could still have an Pos season
But Because BB does things his damn way we all care more about him leaving than GT who is going to kill us because we cant stop the run.
Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry
Im just pissed because The players are the ones getting screwed.
P-Rob and Watson are not going to be high on the draft if they get drafted at all because of the Def coaches and the drama.
Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry
Is it me or did
Bobby look pissed in that video?
Say CTC and JA do get the boot, who gets the say in hiring their replacements? Fisher or Bowden?
Fisher gets all the power or FSU is burned to the ground
Look at the 2000 AL ROY voting and try not to laugh.
When was the last time a Bowden left a program willingly or amicably?
Terry left Auburn from a scandal…
Tommy was forced out of Clemson…
Bobby was booted from WVU…
Is this any surprise..?
What state did Tommy leave Tulane in. I think the Green Wave might be the only positive example…
I have six locks on my door all in a row. When I go out, I only lock every other one. I figure no matter how long somebody stands there picking the locks, they are always locking three.
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For clarification:
We are saying that Demarist would be brought in as a position coach or as DC-in-waiting? Wording threw me off.
I wouldn’t mind him on staff but there are better DC candidates out there- I don’t want Demarist as DC personally.
by NoleThruandThru on Oct 6, 2009 11:36 AM EDT reply actions
I really want this announcement by the end of the week
A Jimbo 5 year extension and assurance that this is Bobby’s last year. Chuck and Jody hitting the road would be wonderful too. I can’t decide how feasible this is, but it would really help in salvaging at least a semblance of a recruiting class and allowing the young guys to get meaningful reps to build for next year.
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Nothing else will do
I have got to believe this will be the case. Bobby has no say, Amato and Alllen gone Demarest comes in to be Mickey’s assistant and adviser for the rest of the season. This makes sense nothing else does. Jimbo does the pregame talk with the team and BB sits in the box with former Alabama buddies. Joe Pa is in the box and that is where Bobby needs to be. They can call him once in awhile and wake him up.
Remind Bobby that Joepa is working for less.
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Sportscenter on Bobby Bowden
Right now. Along the lines of give him a year long love fest. Don’t force him out during bad times
We have been loving him to the tune of 2.5 mil for a couple of years now
Look at the 2000 AL ROY voting and try not to laugh.
He is going to fire Jimbo and get a guy in here who can put points on the board
Look at the 2000 AL ROY voting and try not to laugh.
Harder to put points on the board
When the only way your defense can get off the field is after a 70 yard bomb for a TD
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if anyone out there has the time and information...
to provide a bullet point summary of what got us into this situation, maybe a summary of the last 8 years but primarily the last 1-2, I think it could be incredibly helpful in changing the public opinion… there are so many casual fans and Jimbo bashers I see coming out of the woodwork right now it would be awesome to have a quick 1 stop reference point to get these peoples minds right, and maybe get some more people turned on to the best site for Seminole information and analysis around! If someone can get it done I will text, e-mail, and facebook it to just about everyone I know… it looks like this is going to be a public battle and the correct information that so few people away from TN currently know needs to get out there. For people with the time and energy they obviously should read everything posted here on TN but if you can get a lot of info out in a few words (unlike I’ve done here, lol) it could go a long ways and the sooner the better.
"Some nasty players that come from those seeds down at FSU in Tallahassee, we hold ourselves to a higher standard... we'll keep grinding it out. When you step on the field you have to represent not just yourself, but for everybody." (DD #45)
by econole23 on Oct 6, 2009 12:03 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
the current thread is incredible and summarizes the last weeks developments wonderfully...
but I mean the BASIC basics… people who dont follow the program like us dont understand JF is 4th in command and our coaches hate each other, they dont know about BB’s financial situation or the inflammatory comments he’s made directed at fans. A lot of people who just like ‘dadgum’ and Allstate commercials are coming out to support BB w/ out knowing any facts… they need to be informed.
"Some nasty players that come from those seeds down at FSU in Tallahassee, we hold ourselves to a higher standard... we'll keep grinding it out. When you step on the field you have to represent not just yourself, but for everybody." (DD #45)
Its far enough along that a few words won't matter
Public perception doesn’t matter. Its pretty much done.
www.fsufishing.com
No amount of facts will do
You can’t change the mind of casual fans with a 50 I.Q. with facts. If people can’t read this and get the general idea no amount of facts will suffice.
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I just know a lot of the uninformed student body is saying 'blame jimbo'...
and I dont even know where to start in telling them how wrong they are. Most of these kids cant name a coach outside of BB and JF but they are being very vocal nonetheless…
"Some nasty players that come from those seeds down at FSU in Tallahassee, we hold ourselves to a higher standard... we'll keep grinding it out. When you step on the field you have to represent not just yourself, but for everybody." (DD #45)
Try this
Fact: Bobby Bowden hired his incompetent son at OC rather than conduct a search for the best
Fact: Upon doing this, Bobby threatened to leave when told this was nepotism to get his way
Fact: Bobby consistently denied Jeff was the problem and went into a maniacal pouting craze when he was removed
Fact: Bobby no longer recruits or participates in game plans
Fact: Bobby would like to hire Amato as DC and/or to bring Terry back to coach
Fact: Bobby has approached the boosters about buying out Jimbo
Fact: Bobby does nothing to deal with the strife within his own coaching staff resulting in physical fights in front of players
Fact: Bobby knows he won’t be forced out by his buddy TK at president or TK’s lap dog Spetman at AD, so he continues to make his demands known
Bobby Bowden: "What do I have to gain from resigning?"
Bobby Bowden: "I will tell Florida State University when I am leaving."
There are plenty more, but please understand, Bobby commands respect from no one at this point
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by DKfromVA on Oct 6, 2009 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Haha yep
I was so disappointed that I didn’t get an answer that night that I wanted to be able to bring it out again if/when he re-emerged from his hole in the ground
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Props to "Souwantmyname" for the below in a recent Fanpost
When should Bobby Bowden be held accountable for his actions? When he hires his unqualified son to the detriment of the program?
When he alienates the boosters by blasting them publicly for PAYING the son to leave?
When he once again hires loyal friends for coaching positions over higher qualified coaches?
When he completely ignores in person recruiting thus allowing other head coaches an edge?
When he completely dismisses the notion of Jimbo Fisher’s HCIW status and implies he is still wanting to coach past the previous 2 year time frame?
When he will inevitably draw this coaching transition out and make it as ugly as it can get?
Tell me WHEN will YOU stop blaming everyone around BB and make him be accountable for what has happened to FSU football
Look at the 2000 AL ROY voting and try not to laugh.
that works, a great start...
lets get it on a fanshot or whatever (I’m new here, still learning functions and what not) w/ an easy link and I’ll put it on blast…
"Some nasty players that come from those seeds down at FSU in Tallahassee, we hold ourselves to a higher standard... we'll keep grinding it out. When you step on the field you have to represent not just yourself, but for everybody." (DD #45)
SBNation is being incredibly slow for me
So my commands aren’t really working right now. Anything you want to do with it is fine, just get the word out.
>>---l>
My reasons
Reasons to get rid of Bobby
1. We haven’t had 10 wins since 2003 and have lost a minimum of 3 games in the ACC since 2004 and haven’t been ACC champs since 2005 when we won the conference with a dismal 5-3 record. We are 25-23 against Div. 1 opponents since 2005.
2. Records against our hated rivals since 2005. Against Florida we are 0-4 Against Miami we are 2-2.
3. We are almost positive he has Alzheimer’s.
Reasons to keep Jimbo
1. Top offense in ACC last year.
2. Despite loses this year we have averaged 400 yards in each of those loses.
3. Jimbo is a cooler name than Bobby.
this won't work
b/c the aforementioned fans with IQ’s ~50 don’t understand words like nepotism, maniacal, strife. also, they think CTC is a good coach b/c (like “old bobby”) they associate him with the glory days and Coach Bowden (when he was earning that title).
Unfortunately...
… the longer this is taking just makes me believe nothing significant is going to happen, which would be consistent with the incompetence this football program’s administration continually shows.
FIrst Action: FSU football on the steep decline, what do we do? Real Problem: Bobby and Jeff Bowden. FSU Solution: Replace Heggins with McHale.
Second Action: FSU football hits rock bottom being shut out at home by Wake. Real Problem: Bobby and Jeff Bowden. FSU Solution: Fire Jeff and replace him with Jimbo Fisher (at least they got half of it correct, but huge problem still exists).
Third Action: FSU football on even steeper decline, and now Jimbo Fisher wants out. Real Problem: Bobby Bowden. FSU Solution: Offer Jimbo Fisher a HCIW contract and ridiculous buyouts to keep him here.
Fourth Action: FSU football on even steeper decline, and now loses to USF at home. Real Problem: Bobby Bowden. FSU Solution: ?
See the trend. I have little faith FSU is going to remedy this situation, other than giving Fisher a 5-yr deal to let recruits know that Jimbo will still be here, and by allowing Jimbo to make staff decisions. More and more and more and more bandaids are not going to cure the wound. MAKE ANNOUNCEMENT TODAY THAT BOWDEN IS DONE AFTER THIS SEASON AND STOP PUTZING AROUND FSU. NOT TOMORROW. NOT NEXT WEEK. NOT AT THE END OF THE SEASON. NOW. This is so damn frustrating…. relying on incompetence.
When I start sucking at my job I will find something else to do and won't keep ruining peoples' lives by sucking at my job.
by mp212121 on Oct 6, 2009 12:08 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I’m sure something is in the works……. but…… there was also something in the works when McHale was hired. There was also something in the works when Jeff Bowden was fired. There was also something in the works when Jimbo Fisher wanted out. It’s like a broken record that FSU keeps trying to fix with scotch tape… it’s just hard for me to be confident in their capabilities right now.
I want to beat GT this weekend, regardless if I think this program is a joke. That’s the type of competitive person I am. The only way we have a chance at beating GT, salvaging what’s left of the season, keeping fans including myself from cutting off all ties to FSU football, making a bowl game, and most importantly – building for the future – is to announce it today… or maybe tomorrow, I’ll give them tomorrow.
When I start sucking at my job I will find something else to do and won't keep ruining peoples' lives by sucking at my job.
That will work, but...
only if they are announcing Bowden is done after this season. If not, I couldn’t care less what kind of baindaid this football program attempts to use and I will continue to be a disgrunted fan/alumn.
When I start sucking at my job I will find something else to do and won't keep ruining peoples' lives by sucking at my job.
Fair enough
However a major part of the problem appears to be Bowden’s assistants. If Jimbo is given the ability to hire/fire as he wishes and a definite date is set for his HC career then I am ok with Bobby staying another year as a figure head. Not optimal but I can live with it.
I agree
the longer nothing is said, the likelihood of it happening get smaller and smaller. I would take TK or somebody who actually has a say in the matter clarifying the situation. Does anyone know if Bobby has even been approached?
Agreed
They are likely at the stage of getting whoever they need in the room (TK?) to bring Bobby around to the realization that its over…and before we move on to an official announcement we will need him prepared media-wise to wish Jimbo the best, tell the world FSU is in good hands and do it all w/o placing blame and w/o accepting blame (which is what he wants)
"I got a PBS mind in an MTV world"...Jimmy Buffett
by The Ryno and I Know on Oct 6, 2009 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions
This shit makes my stomach hurt
It never ends good.
By the way who punched Allen at practice ? Allegedly .
The rumor going around was that Dexter Carter ALLEGEDLY punched Allen due to taunts.
There is also an ALLEGED rumor that Allen may have ALLEGEDLY been responsible for some, I don’t want to use the word racist, but ALLEGEDLY made some comments during the brouhahah with FAMU during a combined workout.
There is also a ALLEGED rumor that Amato ALLEGEDLY sucker punched Fisher during halftime of last years Wake’s lost.
There is also a ALLEGED rumor that Bowden did not show up for the pre game speech, and when Fisher tried to give the last minute instructions, he was ALLEGEDLY shouted down and confronted by Amato in front of the team.
There is also a ALLEGED rumor that Amato was ALLEGEDLY trying to go after Fisher on the plane ride back from BC and ALLEGEDLY had to physically restrained.
And finally there is also a ALLEGED rumor that Bowden hit up some boosters to come up with the $5 million buyout of Fisher so he could ALLEGEDLY remain in power.
I asked Andrew Carter about all of these ALLEGED incidents on several different post and he could only state that the incident on the plane did not occur. He has the best access to the football team, along with Steve Ellis and Corey Clark, and his silence on the other ALLEGED incidents speaks volumes to me.
If you are really interested you can start by reading my first comments about Bowden allegedly trying to get the boosters to cough up the $5 Million buyout of Fisher so he can stay on, here.
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/sports_college_fsu/2009/09/florida-state-offensive-line-coach-rick-trickett-i-did-a-bad-job-of-getting-the-kids-ready.html
Then you can read my question and AC’s reply in the mailbag, and my follow up comments about the alleged fight between coaches a few weeks ago and the alleged sucker punching incident during halftime of last years Wake game, right here.
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/sports_college_fsu/2009/09/live-chat-florida-state-at-boston-college-week.html
Then if you are not too tired, you can read my 3 comments here, starting when Bowden was allegedly too busy chatting it up with friends from Alabama to come down and deliver his pre game speech, and the alleged ensuing confrontation between Amato and Fisher, when Fisher allegedly tried to give the team last minute instructions and was allegedly shouted down by Amato in front of the team, because he is the executive head coach and he allegedly wanted to do it, then allegedly sending the players out on the field in disarray and confused over what they just witnessed.
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/sports_college_fsu/2009/10/bobby-bowden-fsu-needs-to-ignore-the-criticism-.html
And finally, here is my comment about the alleged confrontation on the plane, which AC say’s did not occur, with a brief recap of the other 4 alleged incidents.
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/sports_college_fsu/2009/10/bobby-bowden-on-his-status-im-going-to-evaluate-myself-at-the-end-of-the-year.html
Again the only one disputed by AC is the plane incident.
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Sweet!
Nice job Bowden! Idiot.
When I start sucking at my job I will find something else to do and won't keep ruining peoples' lives by sucking at my job.
whoops... meant to post link
http://blogs.tampabay.com/usf/2009/10/usf-savors-fsu-win-with-i275-billboard.html
When I start sucking at my job I will find something else to do and won't keep ruining peoples' lives by sucking at my job.
just saw the subcaptioned clip of ESPN meathead saying Bobby deserves the 2010 Lovefest.
I would’ve been shocked if the network in bed with the SEC and UF took a stance in the best interests of our Universiy. Right on par, guys.
Amato deserves one more year and a Destin outlet mall shopping spree, right?
by The K-Man on Oct 6, 2009 12:37 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Isn't NCSU still paying a LARGE...
chunk of his salary? Didn’t they pay him off to take that clown act back to tally?
Another point
It hardly matters what Bobby and Ann say or think at this point. It is already all over the news. The negative comments from her and her intellectually challenged sons just help to show the sports world what FSU has been dealing with. They appear like an out of touch royal couple who thought critics consisted of a handful of disgruntled fans with no real concept of what is going on.
More idiotic comments only serve to bolster the boosters hands at this point. BB and the forty thieves were really blind sided as to how deep the disenchantment really is. Jim Smith had no choice as he stated the boosters are not kicking in with the cash like they once were. He was forced to confront T. K and Spetman concerning this. It is forcing T.K. to come out of his Bowden worshipping trance and make some hard decisions. (You know T.K. those play station all americans are really causing a scene)
It may take a few days but I am sure some change as to who is calling the shots will come of this. If Fisher is put in charge he will definitely look for some defensive help I think. I don’t think it is an if however Fisher has to be put in charge. You can’t just write off the rest of the season.
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It amazes
me how stupid and clueless the people and warchant and yahoo are.
He bleeds Garnet and Gold, She bleeds Crimson and White. AND THEY BOTH HATE ORANGE! GO NOLES!! ROLL TIDE!!
by gonolesrolltide on Oct 6, 2009 12:46 PM EDT reply actions
You mean jtally04 doesn't impress you?
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Post my limited but at least somewhat inclusive facts sheet
Copy paste and let them have at it
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There is a possiblity
That Bowden is conniving with Amato instigating some of this to try and run Jimbo off. This would open the gate in bobby’s mind to bring in Terry and get him into the family business before he retires since Terry is doing his Knute Rockne imitation in bama with former FSU players.
This would keep Amato on the payroll longer also. I have grown so cynical I believe this could actually be the case. These two just might be willing to sacrifice a season or two for the long haul. Why else would BB want Fisher bought out and his idiot son voicing the same in front of Alabama papers?
Sound incredible? Well BB and his wife obviously are convinced FSU fans are idiots anyway with the party line they are taking. It smacks of the kind of legal advice one would get from a backwoods Alabama lawyer. Oh wait BB has one of those doesn’t he?
Yeah anyone can speculate so you see that is why something has to be done immediately or the blackouts need to continue on indefinitely. Nobody wants to see this blackout on national TV believe me. It could never be explained away. Something will be done before that game I have to believe.
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Here is what I would like to see.
An announcement late Wed or Thurs. announcing this is Bobbys last season, and whether stated or implied, Jimbo gains control. The team comes together and wins all the remaining games, “WE GO UNDEFEATED INTO THE SWAMP”, and win the ACCCG game and the Orange Bowl.
All the while during the remaining 9 games our beloved and legendary coach is on his farewell tour, the one he does not want or ask for.
The NCAA restores his wins.
At the same time, Penn State also wins the remainder of their game.
Yeah I know, I’m a prick.
>-----:----:------>Spear 'em then Scalp 'em
Frank I like it
Some fans should now understand why Trickett was interviewing with Illinois, a place where they are at least trying to win football games even though he and Fisher go way back.
The only one screaming bloody murder was Fisher who tried to emphasize that Trickett is crucial he knows how to win football games. We saw foot dragging by even T. K. and Spetman. Bobby and the boys were strangely silent and there was no word from them in Trickett’s behalf. I submit to you they wanted him gone. It is becoming painfully clear there was an agenda and it was the ability for BB to clean house once again and lengthen his stay at FSU. It all has to come to a grinding halt as Mr. Smith suggested.
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Hmmm
Interesting point if nothing else. With Jim Smith’s comments that contract discussions have been going for some time, and add in Trickett’s son committing last month, you could certainly be on to something….
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by The Ryno and I Know on Oct 6, 2009 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions
According to David Moulton, whoever he is
we have lost our souls, we stand for nothing and never will again according to his article here. It’s toward the bottom.
http://www.naplesnews.com/news/2009/oct/06/poll-david-moulton-florida-state-needs-live-its-de/
This article is laughable, just thought I’d share.
And I'm supposed to take that fat
morons word for it? Really!
Named the field after him… its not enough.
Erected a statue to him… Its not enough.
Built a gigantic stained glass likeness of him… its not enough.
Allowed him to hire his idiot Son… Its not enough.
Sat back while the program fell apart for 8 freakin’ years… its not enough.
Sat back and took his derogatory comments about the fanbase… its not enough.
Paid him 2.5 MILLION per Year… its not enough.
Sat through a humiliating academic scandal… it not enough.
No for some it won’t be enough until we are driven into the dirt.
I’m tired of the “Its not enough” crowd. I’m no longer listen, reading or taking advice from them.
by Diablo_2 on Oct 6, 2009 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
FSU can do better for Bowden
Pay BB $1M per win like ND did for Charlie Weiss when they went 3-9 a couple years back.
Terry Bowden just won't shut-up!
How can this be “out of context?”
http://blog.al.com/solomon/2009/10/terry_bowden_responds_to_flori.html
On the ESPN front page at the bottom
they have a sportsnation poll asking how FSU should handle the Bowden situation. EVERYONE vote. Incredibly, most people say let him leave on his own terms. We can’t let this poll be aired on ESPN with that result.
Most people don't have FSUs best interests
at heart so don’t be surprised by the sports “POLLS”
Terry will coach at that school forever
Others will not want to hire his entire family including Ann.
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Better to bear the rebuke of the wise than to hear the song of fools
ESPN First Take
talking about BB dissing women and throwing people under the bus… consensus = should have left 5 years ago
It is comical to see how people vote in the ESPN polls
Liability or not , let him do what ever the F he wants
Look at the 2000 AL ROY voting and try not to laugh.
Sportswriters should never talk about integrity and honor
That is why newspapers are going out of business and blogs are taking over the media. A key statement here was it doesn’t matter if FSU wins. Not to him it doesn’t but it matters to the FSU financial department and athletic budget.
I will pay more attention to newspaper people when they start talking about aluminum, MSG, teflon, squalene vaccines, lead and mercury dental fillings, aspartame, fluoride and GM corn. Until then prostitutes shouldn’t discuss morality and integrity.
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Mostly agree.
I think you still occasionally get some worthwhile coverage of local issues in local papers. The national papers are worthless, though. More concerned with getting in on the cocktail party circuit than with doing their jobs.
Video
I don’t have audio on my office computer. What’s Bobby say in the video?
We need to plant a reporter at the next press conference
And just bait him into saying senile things
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the Warchant kid did it on Sunday.
He was referring to opposing players by surnames only and Bowden obviously couldn’t keep pace.
by The K-Man on Oct 6, 2009 1:55 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Progress report
We have reached the point where another Bowden will never coach at FSU after Bobby
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You never know with this outfit
I could just hear it. Terry and Jeff have found a formula and we now know Jeff was only one pass completion and one stud athlete away from greatness. They will be coming home to bring FSU back to the top.
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Better to bear the rebuke of the wise than to hear the song of fools
Hey AC is already using the slantinel to
still up anti-Jimbo stuff. Actually comparing Jeffrey’s record to Jimbo’s using “STATs”
Saw this
I wish one of our stats guys could do a full work-up on this included adjusted stats like we do here, but I don’t think anyone really has the time or AC’s assurance that it would be recognized by him as a comparison. It’s a shame, but hopefully it’s a limited audience that is reading it.
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Watch the media
This all reminds me of when the Dallas Cowboys got rid of Tom Landry. Everyone thought it was the end of the world and the Cowboys would never be the same. That was until they got a good staff in there and turned them into champions again. The same thing will happen with us.
I’ll be a lot happier when Bobby is gone and we’re winning the ACC again.
Bowden support network
His main support right now are sportswriters, 90% with a degree from the UF school of journalism (barring that their immediate supervisor does have one) Uf fans and Miami fans, sprinkled in with a tad of FSU fans who are not sure what the school colors are and the all encompassing Bowden clan.
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Note that Urban is 100% behind Bobby
I’m sure every coach on FSU’s schedule wants Bobby to stay.
by Dunder Mifflin Employees on Oct 6, 2009 1:56 PM EDT reply actions
ESPN First Take
just discussed the issue on 1st & 10 – 1st topic was his ‘woman’ comment and how alot of coaches would be in deep for saying something like that. both skip and his guest debator agreed that bowden should have left 5 years ago.
nice.
That should be the bottom line
Now he has committed a thought crime. That is worse than losing.
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