Florida State Blackout Organizer: The Plan is Full-Go
by Bud Elliott on Oct 6, 2009 1:52 PM EDT
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PrintFlorida State fans are making news with their plan to wear black at home against Georgia Tech this Saturday night on ESPN to protest Bobby Bowden. The measure garnered national attention, and been hailed as "innovative, and strikingly visual."
The movement has exploded with over 4550 members in the official Facebook Group only 48 hours after its creation. Creator Andre Roman projects it could easily reach 10,000 supporters before the game. Organizers expect to have at least half of Florida State's student section to be decked out in black.
With the recent news that Florida State is close to finalizing a deal with current Offensive Coordinator/ Head Coach in Waiting Jimbo Fisher, allowing Fisher to assume total control of the team, including personnel decisions, I wondered if the plan is still on. I caught up with Joseph Johnson, one of the movement's top organizers. Despite effort by some in the university to quash the measure, Johsnon says their passion for a quality college football program will not be silenced. Continue reading:
"The plan is still full-go.", said Johnson. "Until there is a signed contract outlining a definitive date for Coach Bowden's retirement, we will proceed.
We appreciate everything coach Bowden has done for Florida State, and 'Nole fans have been more than patient. This isn't a case of what have you done for us lately, it's what have you done for us this decade while being rewarded with one of the highest salaries in college football? Unfortunately, the answer is nearly a decade of unprofessional mismanagement of one of the countries finest collections of college football resources. That is simply not acceptable. Florida State fans deserve better, and the players certainly deserve better.
Recruiting is the lifeblood of any program and the threat of Bowden continuing to coach until an unspecified date is killing Florida State's recruiting class this season. We cannot afford to take a step back from the improvements made in recruiting over the last two years. We can't go back to the approach that brought the disastrous 2006 and 2007 classes. Top recruits simply do not want to play for coach Bowden, and they have repeatedly stated as much this year. Wearing black is a way to still support the players and the capable coaches who are still giving it their all, while still expressing our displeasure with the problem. We do not advocate any booing or jeering of the team or even of the team's problem. We will be cheering in full voice, while wearing black. Paint it black and go Noles!"
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Where did these blackouts, greenouts, orangeouts start, anyway?
by Dunder Mifflin Employees on Oct 6, 2009 1:59 PM EDT reply actions
wrong type of Blackout but the ones you are thinking of are because of NIKE
The give them the uniforms to the teams to wear them to help out with sells.
Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry
Look guys I know this blackout thing is a go but please
Do one thing here. Ive said this in other threads, Sopport the Noles Black out Bobby. Dont go out there and hate on the team. Make people know we love the team we are just donw with Bobby. This form of protest could turn into something ugly if people think we are boycoting the team as a whole. We have to make sure the fans, the school, and boosters why we are doing this. We need them to know we are still behind the team 100% just not BB.
Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry
agreed - our audience is as much recruits as it is the administration
we need to send the message to luc, joyner, green etc that we whole-heartedly support our team – that we’re not upset w/ the players and that when they get here they’ll be supported at every turn
if they think we’re turning on the team it will be counter-productive
Agree, but isn't this the fundamental reason for the blackout?
Students are wearing black BECAUSE they support the team. Not rallying together and not making a unified statement against BB would be less “school spirited” than proceeding with the Blackout.
absolutely - we just need to make sure we communicate it as such -
the national media has already turned this into a ‘fsu is pushing bb out’ story and making fans and administration look like ungrateful jerks w/ short-term memory
I called him back and asked about your concerns.
I then added this
Wearing black is a way to still support the players and the capable coaches who are still giving it their all, while still expressing our displeasure with the problem. We do not advocate any booing or jeering of the team or even of the team’s problem. We will be cheering in full voice, while wearing black. Paint it black and go Noles!"
by Bud Elliott on Oct 6, 2009 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Whole heartedly agree
Totally agree with you Desman. I understand the idea but I am concerned. Please do not BOO. Please show class. Even though we want Bowden gone do not let this get ugly. We are Seminoles and are proud. Show this to the nation.
No one is going to disrespect the team!
I am doing it for the team. I was not going to go to the game but Now I am just to wear the black. Will the TN Blackout shirts be sold near or at the game?
News Coming HOLD OFF THIS CRAP
News will be coming soon. Don’t rub salt in wounds. This thing is days—perhaps hours away from being settled. Hold off.
TK told us to hold off in 2002.
Holding, hooooollldddiingg, hhhhooooooooollllldddddiiiinnngggggggg……
by The K-Man on Oct 6, 2009 6:48 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Not like this takes days of planning
Everyone plan to wear black to the game.
If a deal is made, wear garnet instead….not too complicated. This isn’t WC….
by PBD on Oct 6, 2009 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Definitive date must end in '09.
I can tell we’re already giving in. Pretty soon FSU will announce “Bowden to retire January 2011!,” and we’ll be celebrating in the streets as if we’ve accomplished something here. Give Jimbo the reins with Bobby on the sidelines another year, give him the short leash without a full complement of coaches, pretend to hell that Bowden and his boosters won’t have influence on the program from his tower, and you can seal away any chance of Jimbo succeeding at Florida State. He’ll be out the door the same day Bobby is. Bank on it.
What if...
What if it is announced that Fisher has full control but BB stays through next season? Fisher can hire and fire whomever he wants.
Yes that's right
There is a strong chance we will see a package that reflects this way forward in the coming days or maybe sooner. BE PATIENT. It’s working out.
Why?
I understand you want him out. I do too. Another “what if”. what is Fisher does have full control? Fisher changes the entire coaching staff as he sees fit and has the ultimate say. BB is here only in name.
No
Waste of money
Not a unified leader
Bowden will run off at the mouth and continue to kill the program.
well if
Bobby is going to do a negative campaign then someone needs to do a positive one and show the Truth/Facts
by Renegade_NOL3 on Oct 6, 2009 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
POWER PLAY!
Short-handed coaching staff the entire year. 2011 is not acceptable. We cannot wait 23 more months before Jimbo has a chance to take off the Forest Gump leg braces and command a real game.
I’m with TRM. NO.
by The K-Man on Oct 6, 2009 6:52 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Agree
and the black out should go on as scheduled if that is the case.
Not an alcoholic, just an FSU grad.
That would make no sense
Bobby as a figure head, making $2.5mm a year. Has no power, and gets paid so much to do nothing. Just dumb.
Would Bobby still be running against Paterno for the most wins?
At least Paterno (as I see him on TV games) is really active and involved.
by Dunder Mifflin Employees on Oct 6, 2009 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions
im not cool
with that type of deal. i feel that bobby wont try to help the transition at all.
If so, I'm wearing black
Bowden must be out. He is killing our program. Easily the worst coach in the country.
you've clearly never watched ron zook coach at illinois...
We decide when you hear the snap count...
BIG MISTAKE
That would totally emasculate BB and that’s not right either. Cut bait and be done with it – let’s get this thing rolling in the right direction.
by OGN on Oct 6, 2009 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions
It is between him and the administration
Your acts will reflect poorly on the rest of us
Herbert Spencer Quote
There is a principal which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man (person) in everlasting ignorance. – that principle is contempt prior to investigation
by Renegade_NOL3 on Oct 6, 2009 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions
There was an 8 year investigation
I think its time for an arrest.
Small mistake, you have 2006 repeated twice. 2006 and 2007 right?
Good to hear that they the whole plan is only ‘a go’ if nothing is decided by the end of the week.
Not an alcoholic, just an FSU grad.
Anyone selling t-shirts for this?
Probably so – someone’s always trying to make a buck. But if it’s done right – showing support for the team and sending the message, too, I’d like to have one (even though I won’t be able to make the game).
by Dunder Mifflin Employees on Oct 6, 2009 2:09 PM EDT reply actions
ShopNCAASports.com
The official ’Noles store and Garnet & Gold, too, it seems.
by Drew J Jones on Oct 6, 2009 2:33 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
FSUn,
Black jerseys available at G&G
http://www.garnetandgold.com/Details.cfm?ProdID=212&category=6
by FtLauderdaleNole on Oct 6, 2009 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
My wife and I are wearing custom black Nike jerseys...
I’m wearing #20 and she’s wearing #10. We’re painting our faces, arms, and legs black, and my face will read J on one cheek and I on the other, while hers reads B on one cheek and O on the other. Between us will be a sign in the shape of an M that lights up in miniature black lights and reads, “Bye-Bye Bobby.” Speakers from my backpack will play last night’s interview from Bowden’s golf cart with my wife playing the role of Heather Dinich. (And I’ll play the role of Uncensored when we get back to my mother-in-law’s house after the game – boom chicka wah wah.) No idea where this was going, sorry. Go team.
Oops, this ended up in the wrong place, sorry.
Mods, would you mind deleting? * whiplash * I mean, please.
Sorry, the comment (joke) makes much better sense in its proper context (below).
I don’t own any such thing but would pay high dollar.
Wally World has $5 black pocket T's
I think that will be enough to get the point across. That is if you don’t mind shopping there…
Not an alcoholic, just an FSU grad.
is there anyone here who doesn't own a black t-shirt?
i don’t think it matters what it says, its the color that sends the message
imo
Oh I agree
just giving a cheap option…just in case. no reason to go give NIKE money…
Not an alcoholic, just an FSU grad.
good stuff - i'm w/ you -
and hopefully these shirts will only be worn once –
no need to spend good money to wear a shirt for one event (im talking to you now, brides)
Metallica "Ride The Lightning" shirt.
Bobby will get the point.
by The K-Man on Oct 6, 2009 6:56 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Im feeling a little uneasy going in black
i feel like im going to get attacked in retaliation.
Im a big guy and i can take a punch but i have some smaller friends and several girls who go in my group to every game.
A lot of the younger people
have been posting threatening messages on the facebook group too
that will be a good opertunity to
let people know why and what and maybe rally more support
by Renegade_NOL3 on Oct 6, 2009 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL, you're kidding right?
This isn’t going to be that type of protest. I’d be shocked at any physical animosity.
by FtLauderdaleNole on Oct 6, 2009 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions
The first guy to swing at me
Will not be able to even comprehend the consequences
don't waste your money one t-shirts
This thing will be resolved before the Ga Tech Game.
SAVE YOUR MONEY
you will have no need for this protest. That’s all I’m saying if you want to waste your money go ahead the local economy could use the shot in the arm. But you’re wasting you time and money on this protest. I’m telling you.
On what grounds?
You keep saying this over and over, but as far as I can tell your argument is, “It’s a waste of money because I said so.”
This movement is expediting the process.
FSU officials don’t want to see a blackout. I bet we here Bobby’s last day announced this week, partially to prevent this very blackout.
One can hope…
I spent $340 each on round trip airfare to watch us play Wake and BC last year.
Where was the financial warning then, HolyCrap?
by The K-Man on Oct 6, 2009 6:59 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
We should go full steam ahead with this
I’m not going to try to convince anyone who isn’t comfortable making this statement to make it, but if you were planning to wear black I encourage you to do it despite any rumored announcement.
Wetherell, Hart/Spetman, everyone involved in this mess over the last 10 years has shown that if there is ANY way for them to keep Bowden in charge – no matter how ridiculous – they will bow to old man and let him stay. This is no longer acceptable.
We as a fanbase have to keep the pressure on them, let them know there is no turning back this time, we want Bowden out ASAP. Don’t let them off the hook based on this week’s rumors.
This is how freedom of speech has molded and built our great country.
by Renegade_NOL3 on Oct 6, 2009 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions
you can't tell us where you are getting your information?
by Renegade_NOL3 on Oct 6, 2009 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah. They said they’ll have Herbie on later but that was it.
I’m pretty sure Herbie will say we should keep him on. Most non-FSU fans don’t understand the details here or don’t care to.
Or don't care about our interests.
Or don’t want us back in the top 15 anytime soon. This isn’t rocket science to reasonable people, but in 20-plus years, I’ve rarely looked at the Florida State fanbase and seen reasonable people. Like sheep to a slaughter.
Anyone wearing black to the game
Should hang their heads in shame. Totally ungrateful to the man who built that stadium and the program. Shameful. Absolutely shameful!!!!
What kind of fan
starts throwing personal insults at their coach’s wife. I understand the sons, they are coaches, but please leave Ann out of it. She was asked a question and she answered it. Her loyalty is to HER HUSBAND, not the university.
by Nole Resurrected on Oct 6, 2009 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Another newbie who is completely clueless to what this site is about or promoting
Welcome
Look at the 2000 AL ROY voting and try not to laugh.
mudra
After reading your previous posts I can’t decide whether I want to punch you in the face or plead for mercy on your soul.
Please keep your comments to this site
Look at the 2000 AL ROY voting and try not to laugh.
Shame ?
Shame for what? Shame in expressing what Jim Smith The Chairman of the FSU board of trustees has already asked for? and what a lot of people would like to see. people wearing black are not disrespecting Bobby just expressing their support for a need for change and a deliverance from mediocrity and general stagnation over the past 9+ years
What about the players?
Is 1 man more important then the team?
Time for Bobby to practice what he has always preached.
TEAM First !
by Renegade_NOL3 on Oct 6, 2009 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
hilarious, bro.
Wish I’d thought of that first. I can’t Rec from my phone.
by The K-Man on Oct 6, 2009 7:03 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
While I don't agree with the whole Blackout thing,
I do understand what y’all are doing. Will the casual fan understand it? What happens if y’all blow GaTech out? Do the protesters cheer? Of course they do. How will it look to recruits? What if Bowden doesn’t leave? Will recruits want to come be a part of this? This could easily blow up in your faces. Will recruits think, “If they do this to the face of their program, what will they do if I don’t play well?”
Again, I understand fully what your doing, but be careful. I didn’t like it when we had a Fire Larry Coker banner flying above the OB, and I wanted him gone. Larry Coker is no Bobby Bowden.
by Nole Resurrected on Oct 6, 2009 2:37 PM EDT reply actions
The people wearing black
are still going to the game as usual. We’re cheering on big plays, doing the warchant, and celebrating a win if thats the result.
The black shirts are just a statement with our frustrations and used to put pressure on the higher ups.
Again,
I understand, but this could really blow up in your faces. Will there be any recruits on the sidelines? How many people will boo? I know that’s not what the organizers want, but there are idiots in every crowd.
by Nole Resurrected on Oct 6, 2009 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Blow up in our faces re: recruiting?
As opposed to what, man?! Are you kidding me? You’re a great poster, and we all like you, but give me a break. Walk a mile in our shoes.
It took an act of congress to get COKER out of Miami,
He took (in my opinio, of course) the greatest college football team of all time (2001) AND IN THREE YEAR DESTROYED THE PROGRAM. And he got a frickin’ extension out of it. The man, literally recruited from scout and rivals, and they gave him an extension. At least the powers that be have an excuse, the man built the program. I’ve been down that road, although the road was not as long yours.
Honestly, I can’t think of an alternative. That’s why I just say, “Be careful.” There will always be idiots out there to make the rest look bad, and if you don’t think ESPN will be on the lookout for them, you’re crazy. ESPN is eating this up, this makes JoePa look good in comparison. And they never hesitate to make sure evryone knows JoePa and Penn State is uperior to Bowden and FSU in every way. ESPN fell out of love with y’all the minute you quit being the fiesty underdog, and became the dynasty. They’ll gladly help drive that final nail in Bowden’s coffin, but they’ll throw your whole program in there with him before shutting the lid, if they can.
by Nole Resurrected on Oct 6, 2009 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
THis program was never about us
It was always about bobby… about bobby’s greatness.
I’m over it. He isn’t a nole. At some point the best interests of the coach become the universities, and at some point that great coach becomes a legend by putting the university first…dedicating themselves to it.
bobby didn’t get his dream job @ alabama and we just happened to be “graced” by his majesty.
Forget that. I’m over it. Burn it. Knock down the statue. I can’t take it any more. I am too proud of an FSU grad to have this sort of crap spewed over the media everyday when our university does so much more.
Get. writ. of. him.
He is a parasite.
And the empty seats are the ones that should be condemned.
Why are they never held to the fire? I haven’t missed a game at Doak in I-don’t-know-how-long, and I’ll be honest, I wasn’t looking forward to Georgia Tech, and I never thought I’d say that as a Noles fan.
zinger.
And I don’t care about JoePa vs. Bobby anymore.
JoePa didn’t employee Fredo Paterno as OC for 6 years or keep a Jody Allen for this entire decade.
by The K-Man on Oct 6, 2009 7:08 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yeah...that ship has sailed
Any fan that wants to keep Bobby on just so he can beat Paterno will be doing exactly what Bowden is doing. Putting the man/themselves before the university and program.
Not an alcoholic, just an FSU grad.
Well....
His son, Jay Paterno is the QB coach and before Darryl Clark became the man, people had their pitchforks ready to get rid of him. Luckily for Jay, Joe brought in Galen Hall as OC to help him learn how to design the Spread HD.
I wish Bobby Bowden had had the foresight to do that with his son.
"Want a donut go to dunkin donuts, want a linebacker go to Penn State."
- Cris Carter, NFL Draft, 4/25/09
FSUn has plenty of experience with the spread HD.....
Sorry Frank… stole your layup.
by NOLEinTX on Oct 6, 2009 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
LOL
Well, if I haven’t read many of the comments and posts here, I’d have been confused.
If its cool, can this Penn State chica stick around? You guys are cool.
"Want a donut go to dunkin donuts, want a linebacker go to Penn State."
- Cris Carter, NFL Draft, 4/25/09
You mean we're not haters? Monsters unlike anything you've ever imagined??
Amazing what the uncool guys will say to make themselves popular. Oh, what do you know, we’re just a bunch of football fans who want to win games. The horror.
I feel you
I went to PSU during the Dark Years of 2001-2005 and I took a 5th SuperSenior Party year during the 2005-2006 renaissance season. I was one of the Penn Staters ready for Joe to leave after the 2004 season, especially after losing a game 6 to effing 4 (that score still makes me mad). The Paternos weren’t running to the press like the Bowden clan but Joe was stubborn about not leaving and the trustees and boosters were divided about keeping him. Luckily for Joe, most of the big money boosters still supported him. Even better, the recruiting went up and Joe proved he could still coach while delegating more responsibility at the same time.
I hate to keep pressing the PSU vs FSU comparison but what really gets to me is that Bobby Bowden has basically become senile, willfully or not. He’s refusing to face reality and it’s making this mess 100x worse. Joe’s not and I hope he leaves before that can even happen. There’s a lot of lessons to be learned from this mess.
"Want a donut go to dunkin donuts, want a linebacker go to Penn State."
- Cris Carter, NFL Draft, 4/25/09
Read it
Did I do something wrong?
"Want a donut go to dunkin donuts, want a linebacker go to Penn State."
- Cris Carter, NFL Draft, 4/25/09
I made this comment the other day but I will repeat it for your sake.
It went something like this.
I want Bobby to announce, or for it to be annouced for him, that this will be his last season as HC.
Our players go out and win the rest of the games and then we will go into the Swamp undefeated (inside joke).
Then we win the ACC Champ game and the bowl game in the Orange Bowl.
The NCAA restores all of Bobby’s wins.
Meanwhile , PSU wins almost all their games, maybe lose one or two.
Final score: JoePa 395 (or whatever)
Bobby Bowden 394.
The wins battle is now over and Bobby doesn’t have a chance. And YES this whole ordeal has made me a bitter prick, I know and I agree.
>-----:----:------>Spear 'em then Scalp 'em
Welp
Joe’s got an extension to 2011. However, with the way this year’s recruiting class is shaping up, PSU should be in MNC and Big Ten Championship shape in 2012-2013. I expect Joe, barring anything happen knock on wood will be here at least 2012. The win record is basically a wrap because even with a green QB next year (the beginning of our Bama series), the offense will still have the current trio of WRs, the OL will not be a turnstile like this year and the defense should still be sick. PSU should not have less than 9 wins over the next couple of years. The win record is a wrap.
"Want a donut go to dunkin donuts, want a linebacker go to Penn State."
- Cris Carter, NFL Draft, 4/25/09
So what if they boo? I’ve booed Bowden before. I’ve waited for him in the tunnel to tell him it was time to step down, and that was 3 years ago.
None of the things people are concerned about like booing, fights, recruits getting the wrong idea are 1/100th as damaging to FSU as keeping Bowden around for the last 9 years.
I agree...
I have been yelling, booing, cursing, sitting down, not doing the chop and leaving at half time for the past 7 years.
I’m going to try something new.
Look at the 2000 AL ROY voting and try not to laugh.
A little perspective,
The black out idea is so much better than the general apathy that had taken over this program the last few years.
At least it shows, how passionate we still are about the program.
by FtLauderdaleNole on Oct 6, 2009 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions
The last 9 God D*** Years?
What, the year AFTER they won the wire-to-wire National Title? For Heaven’s Sake! It was 4yrs. then 5. 6. Why don’t some of you genius folks say that they should of never hired him at all. This is nasty… and the supporters who don’t lower their heads and walk quietly in the stadium will be heroes. The squeeky wheel gets the grease… well, maybe being vocal against this crap will do wonders as well. The internet generation thinks they have power… all those black shirts will accomplish is showing how many of you wear powdery deodorant, roll on paste, or more likely… none at all
You have yet to make sense
Did you take your meds today? Bowden is a selfish man bringing down the program. What about that don’t you get?
>>---l>
your version of sense...
I don’t think I am beholden to you for approval. Make sense? I asked how has it gone up to 9yrs now? fair question.
We have consistently referred to 8
One poster a year off in one post doesn’t redefine the stance of our site. So for your answer, it hasn’t.
>>---l>
9 years or 5 years
what is the difference? people are prone to exaggeration, the issue is the same – so is the solution
by DownByTheRiverWalkinOnWater on Oct 6, 2009 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions
If you want us to protest wars, start a draft
Otherwise, this is what we fight. This is what we have to fight against.
This is our hypocrisy and we are going to use every tool @ OUR disposal to placate it.
Would you tell the hippies not to use music? To not use telephones to organize rallies?
Go away. Forget you too. This our country. It is free and it is beautiful.
I will be the first to celebrate Bobby Bowden, the man and the legend—once he steps out of the way.
But right now—there is only one goal—and that is to do what is best for the youth of our school—the young men who gambled and chose us. Chose US to educate them—to teach them football—give them a chance at the next level.
And what do we owe them? Everything.
So forget you. Forget Bowden. Its time for change and you can go back to your silent protests. The hatred this attitude stirs in my heart—I cannot let it go. I will not stand by and watch another generation of young men—no matter what they chose to do—waste their time here @ FSU. This is my university and I will do what it takes to fight for it.
I think you are misunderstanding what people aren’t upset about. It isn’t just the results but the process. Take a few minutes and look back at the pieces following each of FSU’s games this year. You will find that FSUn starts each one speaking about how a good process leads to good repeatable results. He also mentions that a bad process can lead to good results but that is not repeatable. Obviously the good results are not repeatable.
The process that Bobby rules over is extremely flawed. This site has acknowledged the ways that it is and what is being done, mostly by Jimbo, to correct those. Take practice for example. Before Jimbo showed up coaches would run drills with the first team while the second team was standing around and then the second team while the first team was standing around. Look around the nation and you will find that this is an antiquated practice. Most teams run drills at a frantic pace. Every player is constantly in motion or thinking about what they should be doing. This allows for better conditioning and much more teaching by coaches. FSU should have been doing this for years but they haven’t been and I can’t think of a good reason why.
The results have been bad for the past 8 years now, I don’t really understand what you are referring to with 4, 5, or 6 years. I have yet to see anybody say that Bowden was never a good coach. Ultimately college football is a business. It’s big business. FSU football is not drawing like it used to so changes must be made. Whenever that happens in any other business the CEO has to answer for it. FSU has been patient with Bobby and has let him attempt to enact plans to fix the problem. They haven’t worked so a change in leadership is required. It’s as simple as that.
by evenflow58 on Oct 7, 2009 8:34 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
This whole thing right now is based on leverage
If the Chairman of FSU’s board of Trustees had not stepped in how long would this have been dragged out and how far would the recruiting fall and how much would the Program (players) suffer for the management issues?
by Renegade_NOL3 on Oct 6, 2009 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions
About Smith
It was reported that Mr.Smith spoke out of school if you will. It is against policy for the Board of Trustees to make public statements on such topics. Now, you guys are championing him and rallying around his political posturing. I can imagine though if he had of spoken in favor of Bobby… well, he would a bad, bad man for doing what it is in writing a no-no. BTW… I was responding to the post that said 9yrs.
He spoke his mind
And he was correct. If he had spoken for Bowden then we would not have paid as much attention because it would have simply been sad that the light wasn’t coming on for the higher ups. But guess what? It is. Thankfully, people are realizing what a detriment he truly has become, and we are making progress towards getting him out the door.
>>---l>
Wait,
Weren’t you the one who was on about this being the USA and free speech and all that yesterday, and now that mean, mean Jim Smith is out of line for…speaking his mind?
this is not going to be pretty.. there will be no shades gray
There will be a lot of bad tempers on both sides but the thing to remember is how we individually handle our selves.
Express support for
Do not express hatred against
Why would we cry out for change and stop when the finish line is before us?
Until there IS change, we press on. Talk means nothing. The blackout could be stopped with action. If they don’t make the change happen, we continue to cry out, and this weekend that will be done by dressing in black…
I have six locks on my door all in a row. When I go out, I only lock every other one. I figure no matter how long somebody stands there picking the locks, they are always locking three.
Elayne Boosler
by NaGaNole on Oct 6, 2009 2:54 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
This is not
A protest against Bobby
We are not against Bobby
This is support for positive change
Support for Jimbo
Support for the TEAM
Mother Thresa was once quotes as saying
I will not attend an Anti war rally, but I will attend a pro peace rally
I'm reposting a part of my previous post. Anyone thought about this angle?
Honestly, I can’t think of an alternative. That’s why I just say, "Be careful." There will always be idiots out there to make the rest look bad, and if you don’t think ESPN will be on the lookout for them, you’re crazy. ESPN is eating this up, this makes JoePa look good in comparison. And they never hesitate to make sure evryone knows JoePa and Penn State is uperior to Bowden and FSU in every way. ESPN fell out of love with y’all the minute you quit being the fiesty underdog, and became the dynasty. They’ll gladly help drive that final nail in Bowden’s coffin, but they’ll throw your whole program in there with him before shutting the lid, if they can.
by Nole Resurrected on Oct 6, 2009 3:02 PM EDT reply actions
I hope ESPN picks it up and runs with it. People act as if reporting on the trouble in Tallahassee is a bad thing but I see it as a way to exert additional pressure. Let them run their “program in turmoil” stories, THIS IS A PROGRAM IN TURMOIL!
It's not that they'll report it.
It’s how they’ll report it. When was the last ime you heard a good story about FSU on ESPN? When was the last time you heard one of their analysts (not named Corso, he’s your Lou Holts) praise the ‘Noles? Not since Charlie Ward left. They wouldn’t even jump on the bandwagon during the Weinke years. They’ll do their best to tear you program apart using this if they can. They are suckling at the SEC’s teet, literally. Who is the darlings of the SEC? Who does that team compete with for recruits? What channel are recruits watching for their info on college football?
by Nole Resurrected on Oct 6, 2009 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I think you’re being a little hard on ESPN. We got quite a bit of undeserved love over Myron Rolle for instance.
But I just see worrying about what they run as very small time. Let’s use them as a way to exert more pressure, and if they want to trash us let them. It’s not like we get a lot of positive media coverage anyway.
At the end of the day
ESPN loves a winner. Everyone says they have an agenda, and I agree. The agenda is to make money. ESPN would love FSU and UM to be good so they can throw them on tv. But if you are going to suck and do something stupid they will air it all day so the $ comes in. As long as we start winning in the future everything will be fine.
by osceolafan850 on Oct 6, 2009 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Well,
Nice to see the Favre & Tebow Network taking a break from regularly scheduled programming now and then.
I can't think of any of us doing anything controversial.
I know who “us” are. It’s why we get along online and can talk football and none of us know each other yet we all like each other. It’s the Bowden people that will get nasty. But their tickets have already been sold or given to friends and family. And those friends and family come to games and just take in the atmosphere. They’ll think it’s funny or they won’t care. (Or – shhh – they’ll agree with it.) I know Doak, and I know FSU fans. A lot can (and will) happen between now and the game, but the Bowdenites don’t want anything to do with this program right now – they just don’t want to criticize it either. They were lured back for Miami and USF, but they’ll be back on the couch for the rest of Bowden’s career here. ESPN will get their story without incident. Anything extreme you do see will be hyped or created. (Imagine that.)
I understand your wanting to make a statement, but the problem is
all the stupid ass drunk students who won’t be taking the same approach that those of you who are little more mature will. You won’t boo and be disrespectful to the team or coach, but it’s the idiots who are getting hammered at Indian Village or the Frat house before the game and will think this is a Bowden bash fest.
The other problem is who will be the voice amongst the protesters when or if this little charade creates a black eye for the university? My guess is everyone will run and hide and act like they had no hand it. If you are going to rally a bunch of people, who you don’t know, you better be prepared to deal with the fall out of your actions and the actions of those you don’t know.
Good luck with the rally guys and by the way I fully support the movement for a change in leadership I just don’t like this idea.
Ill do my best
to corral the students in my section
True
But who could lead this? Who would have the tact to positively lead?
by Renegade_NOL3 on Oct 6, 2009 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I take offense to this...
…as a stupid ass drunk I plan on supporting my team in the normal fashion.
Indian Village hasn’t been relevant in a while now and Frat boys won’t wear black because it will clash with their brown shorts.
Look at the 2000 AL ROY voting and try not to laugh.
Funny. And unfortunately, this is true.
BucaNole, you vastly overrate the ability of our students to galvanize passion around our football program.
And as a caveat...
…I was a student from ‘94-’97 (that’s old, isn’t it?) and it was the same way then. We run little risk of damaging pretty much anything at FSU. We had a legacy. And it’s already gone.
I know I don’t speak for everyone, but I’m totally up for a “Bowden bash fest.”
He’s proven to me that he’s willing to get ugly to stay here, so I’m perfectly willing to get ugly too.
Again, I don’t speak for everyone or anyone other than myself.
that will undermind the situation
and just be seriously counter productive to the goal
by Renegade_NOL3 on Oct 6, 2009 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm too small to get in a fight and my wife's pregnant.
But we’ll wear black, and believe it or not, ahem, I can be mouthy at times. I’ll be good, but I wouldn’t cry the first tear for Bowden if his feelings got hurt.
i heard
indian village is not the mad house it once was… sad times, indeed
by DownByTheRiverWalkinOnWater on Oct 6, 2009 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
No more burning cars or collapsing balconies
They fenced it all off and you have to show an ID and be on a guest list to get in
Look at the 2000 AL ROY voting and try not to laugh.
If they do
They can always email ESPN in the morning and aplogize. BB can help out and explain how he should have resigned earlier before this happened.
Playstation All American, right again!
TomahawkNation
Better to bear the rebuke of the wise than to hear the song of fools
BLACK OUT LOOKS LIKE A GO!!!
Jeff Cameron is reporting that he doesn’t think anything will be announced this week and it looks like it will get bumped out till sometime next week
Look at the 2000 AL ROY voting and try not to laugh.
There was a time
When being a Nole meant having some class. Low grade behavior was something you found in gainesville and after ‘81 in Miami. We were small but loyal and the program was on the rise. Visiting fans were never harassed and we would have never cheered over the injury of an opposing player, as happened last year.
All of you johnny-come-championship fans would have been clad in orange and blue if Coach Bowden hadn’t made FSU into a national powerhouse.
My how things have changed. Winning has attracted all sorts. Even ungrateful cannibals.
READ the articles
on this site, foolio. you obviously don’t know the details of this situation and your comments seem irrelevant. visiting fans were never harassed… what?
by DownByTheRiverWalkinOnWater on Oct 6, 2009 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Once again, you aren't making sense
Wearing black while cheering wholeheartedly for the team is not classless. When changes need to be made, it is perfectly acceptable for displeasure to be displayed appropriately. That is what is happening here.
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Wearing black while cheering wholeheartedly?
Honestly, had you rather win out from here on out and win the conference and a BCS bowl keeping Bowden around for a couple more years or inish around .500 and have Bowden leave? It’s quite the pickle. Trust me, i didn’t know where I stood during Coker’s last few years.
by Nole Resurrected on Oct 6, 2009 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
OK, cheering outwardly
It doesn’t matter how hard we cheer, honestly. We’ll lose to GT and many other teams. This will take care of itself.
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But which had you rather have?
A team that wins out and gives Bowden hope of competing for the NC next year (which is what keeps him around), or a mediocre, at best, team which will lure him away? It’s a tough choice. Long term results at the expense of this year and the talent you have now. And there is talent there. i saw it Labor Day night.
by Nole Resurrected on Oct 6, 2009 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions
2010 isnt the year anyways.
Our DLine is already paper thin and 2 of best prospects for next year committed to Kiffin.
And that’s under the thinking we’re relying on true freshman at DLine next year. Not the sign of an NC run.
by The K-Man on Oct 6, 2009 7:21 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
No doubt that Bowden gone is far more important
I don’t think we’ll have a problem with losing enough games for that to happen
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doesn't matter what we prefer
we’re losing a bunch more games regardless. but i pick bowden leaving and competing for a NC next year, this is more likely with Jimbo and his new staff
by DownByTheRiverWalkinOnWater on Oct 6, 2009 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Wearing black while cheering wholeheartedly?
Honestly, had you rather win out from here on out and win the conference and a BCS bowl keeping Bowden around for a couple more years or inish around .500 and have Bowden leave? It’s quite the pickle. Trust me, i didn’t know where I stood during Coker’s last few years.
by Nole Resurrected on Oct 6, 2009 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions
My computer was acting up
It got posted twice. I guess the first rule is you have to be smarter than the machine.
by Nole Resurrected on Oct 7, 2009 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions
you mean like the type who get paid 2.5 mil to take naps and play golf
who see the university as their own cash-cow and fill important coaching positions with his unqualified friends who fail to contribute to the success of the team
all just to feed an insatiable ego while refusing to show even the slightest concern for the program
REP...RE....HENSIBLE!!!
(you’ll find acceptable fan behavior and t-shirt dress code listed on page 5 of your program)
I am usually a dickhead at the games regardless of what color shirt I am wearing
Should one suggest I not go at all?
Look at the 2000 AL ROY voting and try not to laugh.
Nice try coonhound...I know where your mind is at
Sorry I am off limits
Look at the 2000 AL ROY voting and try not to laugh.
Low grade behavior
Is trolling rival boards and calling yourself mudra and wolfbird.
I think the cane is a cane however, probably Randy Shannon
Playstation All American, right again!
TomahawkNation
Better to bear the rebuke of the wise than to hear the song of fools
I appreciate the mention sweety
even in a shot being taken at me. High praise to be labeled anything other than a band wagon jumping douche bag. I have been FSU for 30+yrs. since I was a babe. I just don’t agree with all this. again, opinion. mine. will stand by it.
My wife and I are wearing custom black Nike jerseys...
I’m wearing #20 and she’s wearing #10. We’re painting our faces, arms, and legs black, and my face will read J on one cheek and I on the other, while hers reads B on one cheek and O on the other. Between us will be a sign in the shape of an M that lights up in miniature black lights and reads, “Bye-Bye Bobby.” Speakers from my backpack will play last night’s interview from Bowden’s golf cart with my wife playing the role of Heather Dinich. (And I’ll play the role of Uncensored when we get back to my mother-in-law’s house after the game – boom chicka wah wah.) Oh, and I remember a time when being a Bowden meant having class. Guess that golf cart has sailed.
I will never fantasize about Heather Dinich in the same way again
Unless of course your wife is smoking hot
Look at the 2000 AL ROY voting and try not to laugh.
Good
I can keep sending Heather those letters and photos of mine in hopes she will one day recognize my existence.
Look at the 2000 AL ROY voting and try not to laugh.
And a constant threat.
Just kidding, honey. Actually, does everyone get that Howl-O-Scream ad on the front page? The one that changes after a few seconds? That’s my wife when she catches me on TN.
Mudra
Is that you Spurrier?
Playstation All American, right again!
TomahawkNation
Better to bear the rebuke of the wise than to hear the song of fools
Uncensored's twitter
“Heard Bowden was trying to meet with blackout movement leaders to stop it”
LOVE IT
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Wow, my apologies.
Until reading below, I thought it was a joke by Uncensored. But who am I kidding? You can’t make this stuff up anymore.
If Bowden had half a brain, he’d just dress the team in black and annouce it.
Wouldn't that be awesome. Bowden dressing the team in black to support the Jimbo movement, meanwhile thinking he was outsmarting the BLF.
BOWDEN
LIBERATION
FRONT
>-----:----:------>Spear 'em then Scalp 'em
sounds like a trap
since we’ve been on the Braveheart metaphor all week…
by DownByTheRiverWalkinOnWater on Oct 6, 2009 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Latest rumor
Meeting between Bobby and TK did not go well at all today.
Stay tuned…
by FtLauderdaleNole on Oct 6, 2009 4:06 PM EDT reply actions
Hopefully they're done talking ...
.,… before it’s time for the GT pre-game speech.
This Georgia Tech game . . .
Assuming nothing is done before (which I strongly doubt), do you think it’s going to be kinda important for Bobby? Of course I want to the FSU win, but maybe in the long run, it’s better to take your medicine, no matter how bad the taste.
by Dunder Mifflin Employees on Oct 6, 2009 4:45 PM EDT reply actions
Assuming we can beat NCSt., Wake, and Maryland (big enough assumptions)...
…we have to beat one of Ga. Tech, Clemson, UNC on a Thursday night, and Florida. Which one of those is the most winnable? Putting 50 on Tech might be the only way. Not putting my money on it.
Most of us never played college football
but if anyone here did, I’d be interested in hearing his thoughts on how FSU players might be handling all this now. What do you think is going through their minds? Are they out their practicing and wanting to “win one for the gipper”? Or are they divided – some wanting Bobby to stay around and practicing hard and others not giving a crrrap, just wanting a change.
by Dunder Mifflin Employees on Oct 6, 2009 4:55 PM EDT reply actions
Does anyone have the specific quote or instance...
…where BB said or inferred that he wanted CTC to be the next DC.
Thanks.
Look at the 2000 AL ROY voting and try not to laugh.
Boooooo!
you’re killing me smalls!
by DownByTheRiverWalkinOnWater on Oct 6, 2009 5:07 PM EDT reply actions
he is talking about finding the co-organizer of the blackout
who was scheduled to meet with bowden, but had subsquently disappared. Scroll up a few posts….
the post starts with "ok, no more secrets"
That gives me an idea, could the SB software be modified to number all the comments? That would make refering back (particularly in long threads) much easier.
He's one of the two founders of the blackout event
Bobby met with the other one today and kid garnet and gold just talked to him for the first time since
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Comments on EPNU Coach's spotlight
Some questions were asked to Spurrier about Bowden.
He replied “We all know the coaching profession. Pepper Rogers one time said there are very very few coaches that retire on their own. Tom Landry of the Cowboys they ran him out If it’s not working well we make changes. We all know that”
They then asked him if a coach should ever be able to decide when it is time to go, because he has earned that right “I’ve never heard of a coach having that right” and then quoted Jim Valvano. “I once heard of a coach who got a lifetime deal and then was dead next year”
spurrier annoys me
but he is straight forward
by DownByTheRiverWalkinOnWater on Oct 6, 2009 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Why rush Bobby out?
If the school is not going to prove they want winning bad enough to go after a top coaching candidate? Fisher has not proven himself worthy. This is like WVU hiring Bill Stewart or UF hiring Ron Zook. We need something more like when UF hired Urban Meyer.
Please read other articles
Jimbo is more than ready, more than capable, and more than deserving of taking over the job. He has done everything asked of him and then some in a terrible, stifling situation.
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How is Fisher able to prove himself worthy or unworthy with an 80 year old alzheimer’s patient, a defensive coordinator that is past it, and an antagonistic LBs coach holding him back at every turn?
Give Jimbo a year or two where his word is final in the program, that is what Urban Meyer has. We’ll know more then.
by 38Noles on Oct 6, 2009 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
even if jimbo isn't the right guy
What you are proposing would entail a buyout of Bobby for at least 1 million; a buyout of Jimbo for 5 million, plus a nationwide search and cost of paying a new coach.
Economically, its not an option.
Zook was demoted while at UF in 1993
Spurrier demoted Zook from defensive coordinator to special teams. UF’s defensive rankings were terrible under him. Having trouble finding the relevant stats, since FireRonZook.com is gone.
On the other hand, FSU had the highest ranking offense in the ACC last year. No valid comparisons between Zook and Fisher.
As for Urban Meyer, there was some luck involved. Bernie Machen was previously the president of Utah, and there he got to know Meyer.
Unfortunately
That is a very legitimate rumor, that is why Bobby must go THIS season.
If that is allowed to happen Jimbo will walk and I can’t blame him.
Put Bobby to Bed
to go along with his executive HC title
the more I think about this the more I think BB set Jimbo upto fail and be pushed out. The HCIW is 4th down on the structure chart.
1. BB – HC
2. CTC – Exec. HC
3. MA – Assoc. HC
4. Jimbo — OC
ahahahahaha
thought t might be for “tits” but then I couldn’t figure out what the surrounding double Cs would before except maybe a braw size.
LMFAO
Honestly, if I was Spetman I would literally sit in my office and laugh for a solid 5 minutes at that suggestion.
No you wouldn't
You would bow to all that is BB and thank him for putting you in a position that you were in no way qualified for.
Put Bobby to Bed
Jeff had Ira on today...
Ira questioning the timing, saying it probably won’t help recruiting as much as some think and make the rest of the season awkward. Ira asks ‘Why now, why not wait til the end of the season?" I hope he heard me screaming all the way from Atlanta that "We’re done waiting. Yesterday was too late. Tomorrow is MUCH too late… "
I have six locks on my door all in a row. When I go out, I only lock every other one. I figure no matter how long somebody stands there picking the locks, they are always locking three.
Elayne Boosler
He really doesn't know recruiting then
The faster we get him out and the new guys in, the faster we can repair relationships with the guys we want. A matter of 2 months is HUGE.
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I see only two options to salvage recruiting this cycle
1) Bobby fires whomever Jimbo tells him to now, and replaces them with interim guys of Jimbo’s choosing. Bobby gets to save face (although his buddy or buddies take a hit) and preserve the public illusion that he will have the option of returning in 2010 on his own terms.
2) FSU signs Jimbo to a 5 year Head Coaching deal, starting next season.
Anything less than that is unacceptable.
timing is terrible for the programs perspective
but for the anti bowden group the timing was perfect. losing back to back games against inferior opponents, news of dissent between the coaches, our worst record in 30 years.
I'm not anti-Bowden...
I’m pro winning. Bowden no longer can get it done. Hasn’t been able to for 8 years. He’s gone from a guy that talked about it would be time to walk away if he lost more than a couple games a year to rationalizing a loss with “50% of the teams lost on Saturday”. Then because he’s pouting, he’s standing in the way of people that can get the job done. I not just talking about Jimbo. Do you really think he would be more gracious if we wanted to bring in Brian Kelly? Or Turner Gil? Or Jim Harborough? Or Bugs Bunny? I watched Space Jam, the rabbit can play and coach. Nope, he wants it his way, which means one of his sons or someone like god in heaven no, CTC…
I have six locks on my door all in a row. When I go out, I only lock every other one. I figure no matter how long somebody stands there picking the locks, they are always locking three.
Elayne Boosler
by NaGaNole on Oct 6, 2009 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I highly doubt FSU could afford a coach like Bugs Bunny. However, if we got rid of Ham and 11 we might be able to pay Bugs to coach all three sports.
by evenflow58 on Oct 6, 2009 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I was really surprised with Ira. There is no reason to delay this another moment. We need to seize the momentum of back to back losses and get a resolution now.
Yeah I heard that
one of the main reasons I don’t subscribe to the Osceola anymore is their pie in the sky BS.
No one con pump the sunshine up your pant leg like the Osceola during the off season. Bunch of articles about the S&C program going great guns and the summer program has perfect attendance. blah. blah. blah.
Unfortunately, the real season starts and we get shoved around by Jax State, USF!
I still would like to see
Lots of JIMBO 2010 signs in addition to the Blackout.
Remember, we are not just blacking out Bobby but welcoming and supporting our new head coach.
Facebook group just took down every fsu image
legal team’s guns are a’blazin
Will TN hold support group meetings?
:)
FSU will be discussed on ESPNU in a few and HC’s around the nation are showing support for Bobby.
I don't know why they report that
What else are coaches going to do? Say he should be fired?
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Holy God.
Is Steve Spurrier the most reasonable coach on this?
Screw the Sam Adams, it’s Jim Beam time.
I hear ya.
But the message to the administration should be, “This must happen. Screw the PR. You have to tough it out.”
Sportscenter
I was just watching sportscenter and for the very beginning intro they used bowden’s women comment. It was pretty funny.
i think that really helps us
inadvertant comments like that often screw people. otherwise neutral people will turn against him, esp w espn talking it up – they discussed it on 1st and 10 this morning, too. consensus was that bobby is doing a bad job and he should have left 5 yrs ago… also his comment pissed off that black lady, forget her name
by DownByTheRiverWalkinOnWater on Oct 6, 2009 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions
She seemed more up to speed on FSUs situation than most..
The other dude just sat there like a potted plant. Can’t think of his name.
i think so
she was on point today though
by DownByTheRiverWalkinOnWater on Oct 6, 2009 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions
"So, it's on the ebay? And ya just talk?"
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by DKfromVA on Oct 6, 2009 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
LOL
“Son if you don’t get your act together we’re gonna tear every page out of your Face Book”
by 38Noles on Oct 6, 2009 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
FSU Player listed on the guest list for the
GT BLACKOUT!!!
Wonder if its a legit account??
Don't want to list it here if it might not be legit
Could get a kid the boot for no reason
i wonder
wtf is going on in Jimbo’s head right now? hopefully prepare for GT, but i’m sure a few other things are sneaking their way in… gotta be crazy for that guy
by DownByTheRiverWalkinOnWater on Oct 6, 2009 6:14 PM EDT reply actions
the team
i really feel for the team right now. I cant imagine what this is like.
They have more class than Bowden and deserve so much better than this.
I’m sure everyone has heard Ponder take responsibility for the Miami and BC losses because he had a handful of errant passes. It disgusts me that a 21 year old who is playing his tail off has to step up and take blame while our “legendary” coaches either shirk responsibility with cliches or throw players under the bus.
While the likes of Mack Freaking Brown p*ss on our fanbase because we want to win games.
Hear those comments from your head coach with a HCIW of his own, Longhorn fans?
Bobby blamed a freshman kicker and nickel back for the loss Saturday.
Nevermind it was against one of the worst teams in our league.
by The K-Man on Oct 6, 2009 7:48 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
He also said he had never seen that many players slipping on a wet field...
…Apparently he wasn’t Soaked at Doak in 2003
Can't be any worse then...
Watching the coaches fist fight, being told that your lack of intensity is causing us to give up big plays on defense, or even worse, think that this might go on the whole time your playing in garnet and gold. I bet they are as hopeful as us…
I have six locks on my door all in a row. When I go out, I only lock every other one. I figure no matter how long somebody stands there picking the locks, they are always locking three.
Elayne Boosler
And these facts WILL get out.
After the dust settles and Bowden is buried either literally or figuratively, we will be vindicated. This is so much BS right now, and the media loves it.
I dunno about that article...
his contract DOES NOT extend to 2010. If they cant get basic facts right, how reliable is the “source”?
That's misleading. He's not going to be asked to quit this season is all that's saying.
And if he is the “Head Coach” next year, he’ll have absolutely no authority to hire/fire coaches. I doubt he decides to come back under those circumstances.
Tools Whore
Doesn't that hint to having no decision made until the end of season.
Not what we are looking for here at this site
Put Bobby to Bed
BlackOut time
2009 Rays Baseball: Welp.....we'll try again in 2010
2009 FSU Football: Bobby Bowden.........it's time to go
Be a TRUE Seminole: http://www.seminoles.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/071509aab.html
by JMB on Oct 6, 2009 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions
LoL
It is just like being in the redzone you have to finish. You have to drive it on in! Wear the black.
I get awfully suspicious when canes are more worried about FSU than Coker and shannon. As far as fans acting up in front of ESPN lord have you ever been to a cane game? Your life is a stake in the middle of people eating rat shishkabob.
BB stands around looking silly and makes 2.5 million dollars of booster money and Fisher is paid as the offensive coordinator? I can tell you what is wrong with here it is ridiculous. Why would any school do this?
Why is it all these damage control artists only recently showed up?
Playstation All American, right again!
TomahawkNation
Better to bear the rebuke of the wise than to hear the song of fools
What if BB comes out in a Black polo wouldnt that just be cool.
Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry
ESPN reporting as of today
No plans on ousting Bobby. Good luck at the protest on Saturday, unfortunately due to logistics I won’t be able to make it but I’ll be wearing my black #3 jersey to support the cause.
It'll be a game FSU doesn't want to play
The blackout on national TV an then a boycott where they’ll end up with less than half a stadium for the rest of the year. I think they’ll balk.
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Blackout Numbers
Last I checked the Facebook group, the numbers were up to about 5k. How large are we really expecting the blackout crowd to be at the game?
I would say the event would be a better indicator
But that doesn’t account for a lot of the alumni. So it could be several thousand. I think it’ll be significant and will certainly be discussed in the broadcast.
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just promise students a drink voucher...
they would do just about anything (except attend class) for that. Do you think it will be less than half for remaining games? If it depends on this crowd, hell… most on here are not at games anyway… always posting during games from their MAN CAVES!!!
Is this the "whoever smelt it dealt it" joke? I know you are but what am I?
Where’s Peewee when you need him…
Yes, because we ALL live in Tallahassee.
And, because YOU ARE NOT A TRUE FAN unless you attend every game!!!!!
My MAN CAVE is what I call my momma's basement, but she gives me my privacy.
>-----:----:------>Spear 'em then Scalp 'em
Years ago I bought a black FSU T-shirt
because it was on clearance. Now I’m glad I have it!!
Can’t attend the game, but for what its worth I’ll be wearing here in Roswell, Ga
Awesome, drive down to Columbia High School in Decatur on Fri...
Sit in the stands and scream your head off for Tank Sessions while wearing the black shirt, chopping when you get his attention…
I have six locks on my door all in a row. When I go out, I only lock every other one. I figure no matter how long somebody stands there picking the locks, they are always locking three.
Elayne Boosler
so is there any way to get the blackout new to ESPN or is this something they wont cover.
Also how bout the radio are is jeff talking about it. seems to have his words on CTC
Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry
been busy all day and will be tonight too......
Did a quick scan of the blogs and news. Are my senses/quick check correct that support is gathering for the bb should stick around camp? This better not turn into operation valkerie. No time to start wavering folks. Stick to the guns and push for some change!
by Florida_State on Oct 6, 2009 6:40 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
The MSM of sports will want BB to stay on...
and start ripping in to fsu and the fanbase, but really when has the MSM ever given a damn about fsu other than to report bad news.
It's already happening
It’s amazing how clueless some people are
2009 Rays Baseball: Welp.....we'll try again in 2010
2009 FSU Football: Bobby Bowden.........it's time to go
Be a TRUE Seminole: http://www.seminoles.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/071509aab.html
by JMB on Oct 6, 2009 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah
we don’t want to end up like tom cruise
by DownByTheRiverWalkinOnWater on Oct 6, 2009 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Remember that time Tom Cruise tried to kill Hitler...
That was the actual title of a movie review of valkerie (sp?). LOL!
inglorious basterds!
i’ll go with brad pitt this time
by DownByTheRiverWalkinOnWater on Oct 6, 2009 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I admire your initiative but,
please dont do this to the old man. This is just awful. Yes, its time for him to retire, but for the love of pete show some class to a man who has poured his life into this university. be classy, he’s out at the end of the season, and if he is not out all together he will have no power and no say on anything coaching, just give him a golf cart and an office to come to and thats that.
drizzle daddy wuz here
I used to feel this way until...
I became a Play-Station All-American and was told I should be lucky he still wanted to coach at fsu. Beside He will evaluate himself at the end of the season and then decide if He wants to go or not.
We don't have pity for him
And why should we? He was well compensated for his time here and still is to this day. He is now nothing more than an employee not doing his job. We don’t owe him anything for his selfish, destructive decisions of the past 8 years.
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this is a really sad week for FSU
yes, im upset.
drizzle daddy wuz here
This is the best week FSU has had in a long time.
You should drive over to Bobby’s place and give him and Ann a big hug
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Better to bear the rebuke of the wise than to hear the song of fools
Of course spurrier is against it
They are about to fire his arse next. He could go to D-1 and become offensive coordinator for Terry with Chuck the linebacker coach.
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Better to bear the rebuke of the wise than to hear the song of fools
That offensive genius stuff sure halted at the
columbia city limit, huh
Spurrier is doing pretty well
Top 25 team and his recruiting classes keep getting better
Put Bobby to Bed
Check your facts
Spurrier is 4-1. Beat Ole Miss who was ranked #4 at the time. If not for a last second knocked down pass they would have beat Georgia. His recruiting is good and SC is currently ranked in the top 25.
Want to know why SPURRIER is better than Bowden right now
Because Spurrier gave his son a try at the wheel and when he failed miserably, he pulled the plug. Even that ##%$R#)($ of a person knew better. Spurrier showed more respect for his fans, university, and the game of football by asking his son to stop calling plays at USCe. Bobby had the chance to show himself to be as unselfish and failed miserably.
Not an alcoholic, just an FSU grad.
Driving and plug pulling should not be included in the same anology. I apologize. Point is still vaild. HAHA.
Not an alcoholic, just an FSU grad.
HAY GUISE, URBAN MEYER WANTS BOWDEN TO STAY
HE CARES SO MUCH ABOUT THE STATE OF OUR PROGRAM
2009 Rays Baseball: Welp.....we'll try again in 2010
2009 FSU Football: Bobby Bowden.........it's time to go
Be a TRUE Seminole: http://www.seminoles.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/071509aab.html
Mack Brown maybe next also
He has a head coach in waiting. You know none of them want to hear this. Hey Mack why can’t you beat Oklahoma? BYU can!
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TomahawkNation
Better to bear the rebuke of the wise than to hear the song of fools
John Cooper couldn't beat Meatchicken
but won about 10 games a year….how did that turn out?
Ridiculous
If you want Bowden to retire that’s fine, but how it’s been handled by the “fans” and others who should know better like Trustees is ridiculous. They want to run out and embarass a legend who built this program from the ground up in favor of a man who was a successful coordinator at LSU, but who has no head coaching pedigree and has already held the program hostage for a new contract by publicly flirting with W.VA and other schools days after agreeing to a contract with us? Funny how no one ever learns that being a successful coordinator doesn’t mean you will automatically be a great or even a good head coach (ie Brad Scott, Al Groh, Ron Zook, Wade Phillips, Mike Nolan, etc). Is it worth ruining Coach Bowden’s legacy for a guy who hasn’t proven anything and may not be around for too long, either by choice or performance? And when I say successful coordinator, I’m talking LSU not FSU, because he hasn’t proven anything here yet other than he’s not much better than Jeff Bowden, especially in the red zone. Andrew Carter’s Orlando Sentinel blog does a good job breaking that comparison down. In 3 years, if Jimbo is at WVa or some other school or somehow the NFL, will we all think embarrassing a legend was worth it? You can name a field after him, put up a statue of him, but if you force Coach Bowden out and slander/libel him on the way out, that’s his legacy. You can’t pay even pay tribute to a man you humiliated and forced out down the road, whether he’s alive or dead. That’s the tragedy. We may end up having a losing season this year, and that’s a shame. But it’s something that can be fixed without humiliating a man who gave so much to this school. Add to this the organizer of the blackout’s illogical reason for the blackout is because we can’t have Coach Bowden take us back to the recruiting approach that led up to the disasterous 2006 and 2007 recruiting classes. That makes no sense when according to Rivals.com in 2006 we had the #3 rated class (18 4 star recruits and 2 5 stars including Myron Rolle, Sims, Caz, Ponder, Watson, Wright, D’Vo, McNeil). In 2007 we did slip to #21 (including Easterling, Bert Reed, Rodney Hudson, who would contribute to any previous FSU team). The ‘07 ranking sounds bad until you go back to 2002 and work your way up: 2002= #4, 2003=#21, 2004=#3, 2005=#2, 2008=#9, 2009=#7. So under Coach Bowden we’ve had 2 bad recruiting classes since ‘02. One with Jeff and one with Jimbo. Recruiting is not an exact science because you don’t know how the hyped recruits will play or if they’ll get in trouble (ie Preston parker and Brandon Warren). You can blame their performance on coaching, but that includes Jimbo and his offensive staff not just Coach Bowden. So, don’t blame Coach Bowden for the bad, without crediting him with the good. We do need changes, but Mickey is retiring by choice at the end of the year and Bobby should be allowed to retire on his own schedule. The money that Jimbo milked out of the Boosters and others already can just as easily go to another equally or probably more qualified candidate if he’s not around. So, why are so many willing to sacrifice Coach Bowden at the alter of this unproven commodity? More panic, shortsightedness and scapegoating. And even worse, as part of this scapegoating and name calling, to pile on and call Ann Bowden a money grubber and say she’s inflaming the situation by standing up for her husband and his legacy is disgraceful. If you believe Coach Bowden should go, then fine. But I don’t see how anyone who knows what he’s done for this school and looks at the big picture, not just the bad losses could think he deserves the treatment he’s getting.
Another newbie who has no clue what he is talking about
Hey MattDNole please cue up the PeeWee
Put Bobby to Bed
Am I actually supposed to read all that?
really? Ya kidding right? Get a major F’n clue, dude.
I read all the way to "if you want Bowden to retire that's fine"
I’m not saying I have world-class instincts, but I’m betting it isn’t fine, is it?
Umm
what you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent comment were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this thread is now dumber for having read it(or read the first part then skipped the rest). I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
"No, like I said, Woo peed on my rug" - The Dude
Youra beder man dan me. When I see all dem words i gets dizy
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Sorry buddy, I disagree
Add to this the organizer of the blackout’s illogical reason for the blackout is because we can’t have Coach Bowden take us back to the recruiting approach that led up to the disasterous 2006 and 2007 recruiting classes. That makes no sense when according to Rivals.com in 2006 we had the #3 rated class (18 4 star recruits and 2 5 stars including Myron Rolle, Sims, Caz, Ponder, Watson, Wright, D’Vo, McNeil). In 2007 we did slip to #21 (including Easterling, Bert Reed, Rodney Hudson, who would contribute to any previous FSU team). The ‘07 ranking sounds bad until you go back to 2002 and work your way up: 2002= #4, 2003=#21, 2004=#3, 2005=#2, 2008=#9, 2009=#7. So under Coach Bowden we’ve had 2 bad recruiting classes since ‘02. One with Jeff and one with Jimbo. Recruiting is not an exact science because you don’t know how the hyped recruits will play or if they’ll get in trouble (ie Preston parker and Brandon Warren).
read up on the failed classes. Use the search feature. You won’t come back, I’m sure.
Neither the ’06 or ’07 classes were Fisher.
Also, use paragraphs.
Funny how no one ever learns that being a successful coordinator doesn’t mean you will automatically be a great or even a good head coach (ie Brad Scott, Al Groh, Ron Zook, Wade Phillips, Mike Nolan, etc). Is it worth ruining Coach Bowden’s legacy
He ruined his own legacy.
And when I say successful coordinator, I’m talking LSU not FSU, because he hasn’t proven anything here yet other than he’s not much better than Jeff Bowden, especially in the red zone.
Offensive Coordinator of the Year at FSU and the top offense in the conference. Sorry for the facts.
Andrew Carter’s Orlando Sentinel blog does a good job breaking that comparison down.
No, it doesn’t. He did an absolute hackjob. Use some common sense and see the sidebar.
What of the 20 Million Bowden has milked for the last decade?
I’m glad you elected to join us. You obviously care about Bowden. FSU? I’m not so sure. Maybe you are a Gator fan? I know all gators and canes want Bowden around forever.
Meant to tell you this earlier...
Good job in the comments on that post this morning, for the life of me I can’t figure out why people think that those that want Fisher to assume Head Coaching duties think that it is due to his supporters thinking him a “savior” (I think that was the word that kept popping up in there). I’ve never thought that, at least
Personally, I think that the system that he uses works better. Despite the fact that I’m ALWAYS one for empirical evidence as a basis of belief, I think that AC was writing with his mind made up. I thought that was also strange since reading AC’s posts since the USF game, one would think his biases would lie on the other side.
The Sentinel is contaminated now
I believe Bobby’s fattest son is sourcing them everything. Notice how their latest slant is decidedly anti-Fisher.
I thought Carter was pretty sensible (before that horrendous comparison)
Was I just misunderstanding, or did something happen for him to completely leave the realm of logic?
why bother...
these fools are hungry for blood and an old man is the only target they can be sure of handling. Jumbo is the savior… we shall see. hahahaha
Welcome from warchant! This one is loaded, guys. Even our recruiting guys get a shot.
Fact: Bobby Bowden hired his incompetent son at OC rather than conduct a search for the best
Fact: Upon doing this, Bobby threatened to leave when told this was nepotism to get his way
Fact: Bobby consistently denied Jeff was the problem and went into a maniacal pouting craze when he was removed
Fact: Bobby no longer recruits or participates in game plans
Fact: Bobby would like to hire Amato as DC and/or to bring Terry back to coach
Fact: Bobby has approached the boosters about buying out Jimbo
Fact: Bobby does nothing to deal with the strife within his own coaching staff resulting in physical fights in front of players
Fact: Bobby knows he won’t be forced out by his buddy TK at president or TK’s lap dog Spetman at AD, so he continues to make his demands known
Bobby Bowden: "What do I have to gain from resigning?"
Bobby Bowden: "I will tell Florida State University when I am leaving."
There are plenty more, but please understand, Bobby commands respect from no one at this point
Your move. You obviously didn’t read any other articles here.
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It's interesting that he notes how recruiting isn't an exact science
And kind of hints at attrition being a potential problem, but then completely disregards it when talking about ’06. Makes you scratch your head.
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Thanks for the grammar lessons
Wasn’t aware formatting mattered more than opinion. Not everyone who is tired of the Bowden-bashing is a Gator or Cane in disguise. Not that it matters, but I’m a FSU alum and yes I care about FSU as much as Bowden. My references to Jimbo as savior is based on the posts calling for Bowden’s head and for Jimbo to be given the freedom to turn it all around. Sounds like a savior to me. I’d like for Bowden to retire at the end of the year too, but I don’t think you have to crap on his legacy in the process. That does nothing to help FSU’s image or football team.
Wrong, wrong, wrong
Jimbo to be given the freedom to turn it all around. Sounds like a savior to me
Sounds like a head coach to me.
>-----:----:------>Spear 'em then Scalp 'em
...I was saying the bad formatting was my fault
I messed up where I put my response. Did you respond to my post, by the way? I don’t see any semblance of a rebuttal to what I posted. Bowden crapped on his own legacy for the last 8 years. Jimbo deserves the opportunity to turn it around for all that he’s had to take from the old man.
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formatting, cont
The formatting reference should have been posted under the FSUncensored reply, my bad. That’s why I also referenced being a Nole, not a Gator or Cane. In a perfect world, Bobby would have retired 2 or 3 years ago, but my concern is I think we as a school and fan base look bad nationally trashing him like he’s being trashed. Especially, if we’re not 100% sure Jimbo is the the right man for the job (and some of us aren’t)
Facts?
Jeff was a bad promotion from receivers coach to OC, not denying it. But is that why we’re moving closer to burning him in effigy like they did at WVa? If Bobby doesn’t recruit or game plan, then aren’t the offensive problems in the red zone, lack of quality offensive depth, and inconsistency in running game as much or more of Jimbo’s fault than Bowden’s? I’m just not sold on Jimbo as the future of the program. And, just because you put “Fact:” in front of an opinion/unconfirmed rumor like you did in front of 5 of those, doesn’t make them facts. And if your just dealing in opinions too, why is everyone who doesn’t agree with you an idiot who shouldn’t be allowed to post?
Still proving you haven't read any other articles here
The whole “Fact” thing was formulated in response to a poster desiring facts about Bobby’s situation. Those are well accepted statements in well informed circles. Trust me, if you stick around, you will find that the information here is very reliable, and we invite you to. We want Bobby out for all of the above reasons and even more. We didn’t just arbitrarily decide to be against Bobby, we were driven here. If you don’t believe those statements about Bobby’s behavior, I can’t make you. But I can assure you that they are credible. Nobody knows exactly how good of a head coach Jimbo will be. But he deserves his shot for what he’s gone through and how classily he has handled it. He comes from the Saban mold and understands organizational structure, and is a hard worker and great recruiter. Stick around and I’m sure you’ll find a lot to like about Jimbo.
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Fisher seems to be builidng great offensive depth
based on his two classes so far. Where are you getting this lack of offensive depth from? He has had 2 recruiting classes.
Everyone is allowed to post. We’d prefer if you looked at some of the other finely researched pieces here.
I’m confused. If the head coach isn’t involved with recruiting or game planning why are we paying him?
Also, nobody has said that Jimbo is the answer. I have seen people say that they belive Jimbo will be a better head coach than Bobby has been in the past 10 years or so and that everybody would like to see what Jimbo can do as a head coach but not that he’s a savior. Citing examples of things Jimbo has done that mimic other good head coaches is not saying he’s a savior, just that he would seem to be a quality head coach.
Shut up Tommy
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TomahawkNation
Better to bear the rebuke of the wise than to hear the song of fools
If the blackout doesn't work we storm the athletic dept, overturn file cabinets,
barricade and chain the doors, and have a massive sit in. Bring your tear gas mask.
Anarchy one for all.
>-----:----:------>Spear 'em then Scalp 'em
I just called my brother..
and screamed into the phone, “It’s a REVOLUTION!!!” Took him a while to figure it out…
Not an alcoholic, just an FSU grad.
Text Bud
See if he can put a lifetime ban on some of these Bowden clan grand children. I if hear about what Bobby did 30 years ago I swear I am going to keel over. Look bud he won two titles in 33 years Herban Meyer won 2 in three years. Just say no to drugs.
Playstation All American, right again!
TomahawkNation
Better to bear the rebuke of the wise than to hear the song of fools
I was like that about a year ago before I started thinking logically.
No need to ban them, they are just catching on late.
"I have come that you may have life, and life to the max"
banning them would make this site the same as another
site that has a reputation for banning dissent.
I never realized
What a mind control apparatus the Bowden clan had. They must be Tavistock trained.
Playstation All American, right again!
TomahawkNation
Better to bear the rebuke of the wise than to hear the song of fools
Diablo-2
I am not advocating any of them give up. There is always hope for monarch slaves.
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TomahawkNation
Better to bear the rebuke of the wise than to hear the song of fools
I shutter to think
what the program would be like if bobby didn’t loose his mind after Mark Richt left.
Face the nasty truth
Warchant has been an end run mind control operation to keep Bobby coaching forever on behalf of UF graduates. We have been had as their operatives are clearly putting the whole sordid mess on display here.
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TomahawkNation
Better to bear the rebuke of the wise than to hear the song of fools
Warchant...ugh.
thank the good lord for TN!!
As Bob Hope would say thanks for the memories
It is hard to break free from a handler
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Better to bear the rebuke of the wise than to hear the song of fools
I posted this as a comment in one of the fan posts and wanted to add it to this conversation. Didn't want it to get lost over there and wanted to contribute to this discussion.
Perception is reality and success breeds complacency.
Wearing a black t-shirt the game and being non-supportive of the athletes and the institution is not the intention of the black out.
As it has been articulately stated in this forum, whether you consider it a legitimate source of information or just another blog, the performance of our team has not been up to the expectation that was, admittedly, created by Bobby Bowden during his tenure at Florida State. The expectation is to compete on the national level on a yearly basis. Achieving that goal is not an easy task and there have been few teams in the country who can meet that challenge. It is not acceptable for Florida State to be mediocre, to do well in conference, to get to a Bowl Game. Prior to recent years, the Seminoles set the standard for excellence in college football; they were ahead of the curve. Teams reacted to the changes that Florida State made; Florida State was novel, fresh and inventive.
Florida State’s success has ultimately been the seed of its torturous evolution into relative mediocrity. Coach Bowden assumed and expected that we would be good. Why wouldn’t the Seminoles be successful? The program became quite comfortable with itself and was initially successful at the beginning of the decline due to the influx of talent that continued to pour into the program. However, there is a point at which talent without focus becomes dangerous to the success of a football program. Without controlled application of speed and explosiveness in a disciplined system that talent is for naught. During the past few years, this has been reflected in the efficiency of the defense. Highly skilled, talented athletes that are not disciplined and play like they all want to be individual heroes.
During this process, there has been a movement within the coaching staff, particularly in leadership positions (and within the hierarchy of the institution), towards familiarity. As a result, as has been documented here, and in other news agencies, there is discord in the coaching staff. The system has failed as there is no direction. Our game planning is now fragmented, our recruiting is suffering and our view in the national spotlight is no longer based on our success but our discretion’s and failures. Florida State is no longer the elite program that was established under the Bobby Bowden tenure.
The common denominator in all of the problems that have been exhaustively detailed on this site is Bobby Bowden. Does this mean that I do not respect what he has done for the game of college football? Absolutely not. His is a storied part of the history of this game and the institution. Coach Bowden will always be a part of the story that is the rise of Seminole Nation.
It is now clear that the direction of the program is deviating further and further from our and, hopefully, Coach Bowden’s expectations. Until there is stability and a clear plan for the future it will continue along this departure.
The reason I will wear a black shirt this weekend is to contribute to the collective voice that it is time to turn the light’s out on Coach Bowden’s responsibilities as a Coach at the institution. I do not want Coach Bowden run out of town. I do not want his ‘legacy’ to be tarnished more than it has been in the recent months and years. Go out on top. Be a good guy. That is how you will be remembered. Will I be cheering for our team, for the institution, for our athletes, for our national recognition? Absolutely. Will I be upset by bad play calling, poor results, lack of discipline and heart? Absolutely.
Wearing a black t-shirt, if done respectfully, might just be the national voice of the fans in attendance to say, "Coach Bowden, we love ya. We love what you have done here. But, it’s time to re-evaluate your love for our program." It all goes back to expectations of the team and the institution. If you accept mediocrity, then accepting Coach Bowden seems like a reasonable thing to do. If you expect a national power that is challenging the limits of college football, then it might be time to identify the new leadership of our program and move into the next chapter of Seminole football.
Just my two cents. Not often I go off on subjective ramblings….
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by TrueCubbie on Oct 6, 2009 7:21 PM EDT reply actions 16 recs
Instead of saying well said, use the rec feature.
Instead of saying well said, use the rec feature. trying to promote its use. Though TC, this is great.
TC always classy...
I have six locks on my door all in a row. When I go out, I only lock every other one. I figure no matter how long somebody stands there picking the locks, they are always locking three.
Elayne Boosler
should post that on the face book page
http://www.facebook.com/home.php#/group.php?gid=139061196403&ref=mf
Unfortunately
Bobby’s vision of the future does not fall in line with what is best for the University. After the past few days if he does not see the need to step down then once again he is putting his salary of two and half million dollars over the interests of the program. He has no respect for FSU if this is the case then he needs to be fired. It is way past time for talk and flowery slogans. Get the job done.
The national media, college coaches around the country, media pundits and the like are not going to donate money to FSU to run their athletic program. That is up to FSU and the administration. We are moving into a grey zone here where it appears some think a program can be run without the support of students and fans and simply driven by what a few people sitting behind desks think. This will once again prove to be the wrong approach.
ESPN will not feature FSU football games because Bobby Bowden remains the coach. Winning football games and a successful program is the only thing that will accomplish this.
Some of this could have been avoided initially the day Jimbo Fisher became head coach in waiting. He could have been elevated to Assistant Head coach in charge. Neither the administration nor Bobby Bowden had the forsight or the lack of ego to do this. This helped to fuel the present situation. Once again Bobby Bowden failed to elevate the program. Instead he left Chuck Amato a virtual idiot with decision making powers. Sorry there is no room for sympathy here.
He had 9 years to get this right after skirting nepotism laws and he is still failing miserably. Put away the violins they are not for me. I want this man gone as soon as possible.
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TomahawkNation
Better to bear the rebuke of the wise than to hear the song of fools
I am happy some of you love Bobby but he doesn't love you
That is obvious
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I'm at best, a Playstation D-1AA role player.
He elevated me to All-American. He definitely loves me.
by The K-Man on Oct 6, 2009 8:30 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
A few years ago... late at night...
Coach Bowden tried to send me suggestive pictures via eBay. Never could figure that out… I think ended up buying a new lawnmower attachment.
But I felt honored.
Recap
Can somebody recap what happened today?
All I got out of this is that FSU made the FB group take all FSU images down
Don't know if this has been addressed
But the jack @$$es on ESPN really need to shut their mouths. If you’re not an educated stakeholder (student, fan, alumni, booster, etc.) in this football team, you shouldn’t be spewing a bunch of dribble on national television.
If Bowden had a sub .500 record they’d be calling for him to retire, but if it is suggested that he leave now, we are the bad guys. ESPN has rally sucked the last 7 or 8 years, kind of like us
just wait...
that HIV has brought you some much attention, it deserves to go out how it wants to.
FSU can't make the right move here.
If we fire Bowden, we’re in the wrong for disrespecting our legendary coach.
If we keep Bowden, we are putting him above FSU and furthering our dysfunctional football program.
gosh i wish this’d just go away overnight.
Never thought i'd say this
but, earlier i kind of wished we were UF right now. Winning, can’t do anything wrong in the eyes of the public, the second coming of Christ as QB, false academic superiority. Please tell me they will fail harder than us soon
Not to cause cliff jumping
But I do not believe that our program, even run perfectly, can catch theirs- unless they also mess up around the same time. Their potential is much greater than ours. Our margin for error is much smaller.
Disagree somewhat
They definitely have a head start, but i believe Our program with a stable, cohesive, smart, whatever adjective you want to use, coaching staff can get this thing turned around. If UF could hang with us in the 90s, than we can hang with them now. You don’t think Jimbo with full control can’t convince kids that they can rebuild a once proud program? I dont have to mention the only thing holding this program back, once its gone we will move forward.
Look at the talent we’ve wasted the past decade. I know a lot of it was legal and academic related, but that falls on coaches getting these kid’s heads in the game. Then look at the games pissed away from poor execution, planning, and just pure laziness.
Weve gone into the last 4 gator games as if knowing we were going to get killed, 2004 was due to an oversight just like the USF and JAX State games. Again coaching’s fault.
There is no reason we shouldn’t at least be playing for ACC championships year end year out. Sure we wont win every year, but having 3 or more conference losses is unacceptable.
sorry if i rambled
my thoughts kind of just all came out at once
I get all that
and still stand by my stance. UF has so many more resources and support. It’s unrealistic in my opinion.
Minor disagreement there
Most schools could not. FSU has less money but situated in Florida in a talent rich environment with our stadium, facilites, money is not everything.
You have to do it with the right coaches however not the losers we have. You also can’t take ten year vacations hiring your sons and cousins.
In Florida you don’t even have to bring in the five stars just have competent coaches to recognize the five stats that should have been rated higher. Too much talent here to fail under proper management I mean come on other schools thrive using uncrecruited players from Florida.
Wake and USF are playing good football without anywhere near what FSU could bring to the table properly managed.
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Better to bear the rebuke of the wise than to hear the song of fools
True
I think, though, if Bobby’s legacy ever gets rebuilt, and the nepotism years get overlooked…
It will always be a matter of better coaches vs. better prestige.
FSU had the better coaches. Bobby hired some wingnuts
UF hired Urban Meyer…
I think FSU got really lucky with Fisher and I’m mad at the prospect of squandering that away. Fisher’s connections are just like Bobby’s used to be—young, energetic and eager.
Runs in cycles
We’ve fallen pretty far pretty fast, so everyone is mortal. We just did it at the same time UF got a great coach and a great college QB. As we saw with Zook, if they get the wrong coach they’ll be average or worse than average. Maybe Urban really does covet the ND job and will leave when Weiss gets canned
FSU can make the right move.
Can Bowden. The facts will come out, and we will be vindicated. And if that’s how Bowden wants it, fine. How in the HELL can it be said we have no leverage here? We have no guts, no spine, no desire to win, and nothing has changed at FSU, period. Now ESPN gets to pile on. Wait till we’re 2-4. Then 2-5. Then 2-6. Think people don’t have short memories? Remember how mad everyone was… yesterday? When Ga. Tech drops 50 on us, and there are only black shirts left in the stands, I’ll take ESPN on.
espn
You need to email them to that effect. They have no clue what all is happening with this program here. I did. We all should.
think he meant commentators (that's what I was referring to)
but in all likelihood GT may very well rape us on national TV as well.
BTW
the twins tigers game is pretty good right now
Oh, Jesus H Christ!
I’ve talked to about 5 people today, in person, and have seen countless posts on here concerned about the “blackout” being misconstrued as anti-FSU or anti-player.
Seriously. Really?
If some dumbass orders a class full of 4th graders into a burning building and a group of people questions the logic in sending those 4th graders into a burning building, are you going to tell those people that they don’t support the 4th graders?
Full speed ahead, I say.
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Go Black
As the events of the past few days have transpired, it seems the national media has taken the standard view point that we are a bunch of the disgruntled bloggers and alumni trying to force out a coaching legend before his time, and that we are in some way being disrespectful. I understand that the media’s primary interest is in stirring up a story to fill in an otherwise boring week, but I’m also tired of hearing from a bunch of outsiders who have no real clue about what is going on within our program and our university.
First, as much as I love football, I care far more about the academic reputation of Florida State University than I do the football program. And I am tired of hearing that Bobby Bowden is Florida State and that we owe everything to Bobby. The last time I checked my diploma, Jim Smith’s signature was quite clear. Nowhere on it did I see Bobby’s name. So when Jim comes out saying it is time for Bobby to go, it’s time for Bobby to go!
Additionally, nobody ever gets what they deserve, they get what they negotiate. To his credit, Bobby’s team has negotiated a very good compensation package over the years, and he was able to negotiate for things he desired, like getting his son on the staff. That is called negotiating from a position of strength, which Bobby has been able to do for a long time, and he used that strength for all that it is worth.
Well mediocre results erode that power very quickly, and now it is the Board of Trustees, some of the boosters, and the alumni and students that have the power in the negotiations. That means it is time for us to impose our will on the process and negotiate what we deserve, the beginning of the Jimbo Fisher era at FSU and a return to national prominence.
The most disappointing aspect in this whole mess has been the lack of interest in what is best for Florida State. If Bobby truly cared for FSU, his comments of the past week would be focused on what is best for the school first, what is best for the entire athletic department since so much of its revenue comes from football, what is best for the football team, and then finally what is best for Bobby and the staff.
Can anyone even tell me when was the last time Bobby put FSU before his own wants and desires?… That is exactly why we are in this mess. I hope Doak goes all black.
by IAHNole on Oct 6, 2009 10:25 PM EDT reply actions 5 recs
going black
That is just great- I am so proud of all of you.
i mentioned this in another post
i love TN and especially uncensored because he is literally one person that just knows what they are talking about….but if i seen someone walk past me in black i’d “boo”.
"theres two types of people in this world, those who CARRY a spear and those who FEAR the spear"-James Coley
I still don't understand how people could misconstrue this as disrespectful
Peaceful way of showing displeasure and that change must be made.
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its not that i dont understand
i do, and i personally realize its time to move on, but in just my personal opinion something like this on national tv just isnt the proper way, good intentions or not.
"theres two types of people in this world, those who CARRY a spear and those who FEAR the spear"-James Coley
I know you understand the motivation
The fact that it’s on national TV is what makes it so important. A significant amount of people wearing black will prompt the discussion of why fans feel Bobby needs to go and will give that issue national exposure. It will show the country that FSU fans have had enough of the Bowden reign, and it will show recruits that we are committed to getting ourselves out of mediocrity.
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obviously the discussion is already upon us nationally
or we wouldnt be in this spot we’re currently in….imo its just like why further egg it on, people on THIS site might understand the simple nature and i geuss “good” intentions…..but nationally their gonna see it and just laugh at us.
"theres two types of people in this world, those who CARRY a spear and those who FEAR the spear"-James Coley
I tend to disagree
People already perceive us as the most patient fanbase in college football, and it’s time to show that we’re done taking Bobby’s crap. I don’t think it will create more bad PR, and even if it does, the risk is worth making a statement to the administration on national television. And when they don’t respond, the boycott follows.
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the boycott will only go so far
fsu is one of a few teams out there that has a fan base that will support the team till their dieing day…undefeated or winless. Now of course i want us to be undefeated, on top, loved nationally…but at the end of the day we’re not….so ima just watch each game as if was my last game to watch and enjoy every second.
the wheels have been set in motion for change, and we will be back to where we need to be…and should be soon enough, which comes back to my whole point a few hundred black shirts isnt gonna expedite it that much faster…
"theres two types of people in this world, those who CARRY a spear and those who FEAR the spear"-James Coley
I don't know, if we achieve the goal
Of less than 40K by the Maryland game, that’s a big time financial impact. Attendance will be down this weekend, so we’ll quickly learn just how feasible these goals are. With Tally’s location, don’t be surprised if attendance drops markedly with the controversy and the poor product on the field.
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Black OUT Helpers
I think it might be a good Idea to get some of the more hardcore supporters of the blackout (5-10 preferably good looking girls) to make some large placards (pickett signs) to let everyone know about the blackout on SAT.
Position them at strategic places around campus, tennesee street etc and put the facebook group info on the signs. This type of protest is very effective to help sway casual fans opinions and create news.
Also by using attractive girls to carry the signs it makes it nearly impossible for any type of intervention by police or other force.
If you build it, they will come.
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