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Florida State Makes Its Stand: The Focus is on Moving Forward with the Jimbo Fisher Contract- not on whether Bobby Bowden will Betray Chuck Amato

There's a lot to cover with this Bowden story.  Start here and read about how Bobby Bowden has torn down FSU's once proud program, leading the Board of Trustees Chair Jim Smith to publicly call for his ouster.  See the comments of Bobby's wife, Anne Bowden, here.  Finbally, read yesterday's article which laid out Bobby Bowden's options, including a best case/ worst case scenario for Florida State.  If you have any questions regarding any of the links, chances are your question has been asked and answered, so check the corresponding comment section. 

As you probably know, Bobby Bowden isn't real happy right now.  

As I told you Monday, Jimbo Fisher is on the verge of getting a new contract that will grant him nearly all of the meaningful head coaching powers(final say over game day operations, recruiting, coaching, practice, and personnel decisions) as soon as the current regular season ends.

As I indicated yesterday morning, Bobby Bowden has two choices.   Bowden can choose stay on for 2010 as an emasculated head coach in name only, ceding all powers to Jimbo Fisher.  That would mean that Fisher could fire team cancer/ linebackers coach/ executive head coach Chuck Amato, Defensive Ends coach Jody Allen, and a few other coaches who are either unqualified or unwilling to coach at a championship level.  Combine that with the almost certain retirement of legendary defensive coordinator Mickey Andrews at season's end, and you have a situation where Bobby Bowden would not be able to promote Amato, thought to be the person he trusts on staff, to the defensive coordinator position.  Under this scenario, Bowden would receive only the $1 Million bonus for the lifetime achievement (see linked article above).  Since Bowden would not be allowed to make any personnel or other important decisions, he would obviously not be promoting Amato to replace Andrews as defensive coordinator.  

On the other hand, Bowden has a lucrative deal available to him should he elect to simply walk away at season's end.  In addition to the $1 Million bonus, I believe the boosters will offer him as much as $3 Million in extra compensation, possibly more, for him to just go away.  How much does Bowden really care about money?.  How much does his family care about money?  Some say a lot because he allegedly lost a good bit of money in his son's felony investment scheme and allegedly lost some more in some condos gone bad along Florida's Emerald Coast during the real estate crash.  If his posturing is merely a money grab, he'll take this option.

I am told that Bowden is digging in and is refusing either option.  Obviously, his obstinacy is not making this situation easy.  I told you this could get ugly.  

So now we wait.    

The major hangup is still Chuck Amato.  Bowden's loyalty is again causing him problems.   It's served him well at times throughout his carer.  Here however, if he decides that his loyalty to Chuck Amato is more important to him than Florida State, his Florida State coaching career will be over.  He wants to name Amato as the next defensive coordinator.  Florida State simply will not allow that, barring an absolute disaster miracle.  And this if Florida State's administration.  There's always some chance they could save or possibly find another way to mess  up this situation.  

Click "continue reading" to finish the story.  

Star-divide

In an interesting twist, I could question Chuck Amato's loyalty to Bobby Bowden.  Amato obviously knows that he is the central hangup in this entire mess, undermining Jimbo Fisher at every turn.  If Amato would simply step down, this whole mess would go away, Bowden could have his farewell tour next season, and then ride off into the sunset.  It makes me wonder.  Did Bobby Bowden promise Chuck Amato the defensive coordinator position, expecting that Mickey Andrews would step down after the 2007 or 2008 season?  It came as a shock to many that Andrews came back (most suspect at Fisher's request, to block Amato's ascension to the defensive coordinator throne).  Doubtful Bowden saw that one coming.  Is Bowden simply trying to make life for Fisher (the man who showed interest in a West Virginia job that allegedly angered Bobby because Bowden thought the job was for his son Tommy, and also the man who replaced failed offensive coordinator Jeff Bowden) so tough  that Jimbo simply walks away?  In that case, he'd be able to install Amato.  Remember that Bowden has never been happy with the Head Coach in Waiting deal.  That would explain why Bowden allowed Amato to take a position as "Executive Head Coach" who by title is currently over Jimbo Fisher even though Fisher is the head coach in waiting, limiting Fisher's powers to enact desperately needed changed to the program which he will soon inherit.  Maybe Bowden feels guilty for promising something he cannot deliver.  That would explain the blind loyalty he shows to a man who acts as a blatant obstructionist on his team.  

Or maybe at 80-years old he is extremely scared of change and views Amato as the only coach on staff he can trust next season.   After practice Tuesday, Bowden indicated that he would have a say in the naming of the next defensive coordinator.  It's well known that Bowden wants Amato to be the next defensive coordinator.  He knows better than that and is simply posturing.  Unfortunately for him and Amato, that does not appear to the case, barring some minor miracle.    

But if Bowden does elect to come back under the terms of the offer, what does that say about him?  Is he simply coaching to pick up a check?  With no right to make meaningful decisions, what would Bowden be doing?  Would he sacrifice Amato to save himself?  Some would ask that question now, but insiders unanimously will tell you that his role on the current team is much worse than figurehead.  It's worse because he still tries to make decisions he believes are good, but in reality they are not beneficial to the team because he is ill-informed and not capable of leading well enough to make those decisions right now.  Any win he gained on his record under this proposal would have to ring hollow.  Isn't Bowden a more prideful man than that scenario would allow for?  

Of course if Bowden did decide to come back in the reduced capacity, it could be that he is motivated by a fear of death.  In his book and in several other interviews throughout his career, Bowden has referenced Bear Bryant, the legendary Alabama coach who coach Bowden idolized.  Importantly though, Bowden has referenced Bryant's death, which occurred shortly after he quit coaching.  So quick in fact, that coach Bryant never lived to see a single snap of Alabama football as a retired coach.  The common Bowden quote goes "There's only one more event in a man's life after retirement, and I an't lookin forward to that."  I won't get into the man's faith, as this is a forum for analysis of athletics and related issues, but I have always been curious how he meshes his great fear of death with his strong Christian beliefs.  I had the pleasure to listen to Coach Bowden give an Easter sermon probably 15 or so years ago and he was excellent, and am in no way questioning his faith.  

 

Blindsided by Blindness?

I am told that Bowden didn't see this one coming.  I simply do not understand how he could not.  I know that he doesn't know how to use a computer, but it is up to those around him to keep him apprised of the situation.  This comes back to Bowden not having anyone who cares about him.  It's not a sucker punch if you know somebody is going to hit you and you close your eyes.  Insert your "Emporer's new clothes" reference here.

 

Florida State's Smith Knew What He Was Doing

People should not take Jim Smith's comments lightly.  The man is a shrewd politician, attorney, and lobbyist.  I am told he does nothing publicly by accident.  There should be no doubt that Smith took the temperature of the Board of Trustees and the big money boosters before going public with the comments.  Bobby Bowden no longer carries the money, and in the world of college football, donations, or rather a the threat of the lack thereof, speak the loudest.  

 

Playing or Surviving the Media Game

Prepare for Florida State to take a beating in the National Media.  Unfortunately, in-depth journalism doesn't gather ratings or readers when it comes to a national media.  They specialize in quick blurbs that can be easily repackaged and repeated all over a vast array of outlets.  In particular, the older members of the national media will side with Bowden, almost unanimously.  

And expect them to be fed anti-FSU information directly from the Bowden camp.  Bowden is an 80-year old man with Diabetes, Shingles, and a perpetual flu that has him constantly wiping his nose with a handkerchief as he ambles about the sidelines, sometimes 30 yards away from the action, other times trying to assert his ill-informed will over the team.  But the same qualities that make him a terrible current coach(and I say current to separate his current ability from his amazing career), also make him an incredibly sympathetic figure.  He's a cute broken down old man who still wants to work and tend to what he built.  Nobody from his inner circle will take his keys.  Bowden will make a great victim in the national press.  Many who are unfamiliar with the situation will be extremely sympathetic towards him.

One example of Bowden's media savvy is the Florida State Blackout Protest (see link for details on the planned protest of Bowden, hailed as "innovative and strikingly visual.")  Bowden played dumb after practice saying that he didn't know much about it and that some students came to visit him and that they were against it.  What he didn't mention was that the movement's creator was summoned to Bowden's office, pressured, and handed a cease and desist order.  It seems Florida State didn't approve of the use of certain FSU-related images.  The images are gone, but the support only continues to grow as more and more people join the movement to wear black to oppose Bowden's continued employment, while at the same time cheering for their beloved 'Noles.

Nobody in the national media will understand how he has set Florida State's program on fire and driven it off a cliff for a period of time FSU fans have coined the "Lost Decade."  The national media won't do their homework and realize that Bowden betrayed Florida State through a series of amazingly selfish and ill-planned decisions.  It's smart for the Bowden camp to keep feeding the news media this positive press.  Maybe they will hire a PR Firm to do their dirty work.  Maybe one of Bowden's sons will feed so much information to an Orlando paper that one writer suddenly becomes Bowden's staunchest defender and Fisher's biggest critic, seemingly overnight, while others from the same news outlet write over the top stories criticizing Bowden to masque their status as bedfellows with one of Bowden's sons.  

Everyone in the media seems to be taking a stance on this.  Subscription sites were smart to do what Jim Smith did and gauge the fanbase and cater to the overwhelming majority (Smith says that upwards of 95% of the feedback from his comments has been positive).  One outlet obviously has an in with Smith and those who have actual say in Bowden's future (and they say he is gone).  Yet others still will change their tune, like someone who was once objective and is now in bed with publicists, perhaps hoping that singing in a different key will earn them the shot to write Bowden's memoirs.  

Everyone has an agenda in this fight, except for the national media which seeks only to garner ratings.  On a local level, those who cover the team have to delicately balance future posturing against the possibility of sell the current story for a situation which looks like it may drag on longer and longer by the day.  Our agenda?  To comment on the story while asking the question: "what move(s) best serves the interest of Florida State's football program?"  It's a question that few seem to be asking.

So while Bowden will shrewdly plays the media game, can Florida State fight back through the press?   Indeed they can.  They need to do so in an undercover manner, and they may have already started.  ESPN ran a story on their ticker that indicated Florida State will not ask Bobby Bowden to step down.  That statement is 100% accurate.  Bowden is on a one-year contract and he will not be fired during the season.  The options, as I laid out above, are either to return with the reduced responsibilities or walk away.  There will  be no firing.  It would simply be a non-renewal of a one year contract.  No outlet will be able to say Florida State fired Bobby Bowden.  They simply didn't elect to renew his deal.  Florida State doesn't need to drum up much public support.  They can weather the media storm because they hold all the cards.  Bowden is the one who needs a miracle here.  

But as I said, we must sit and wait.  

 

What's Next?

It seems increasingly likely that Fisher's contract will get done  very soon, granting him head coach powers, with or without the title.  As for Bowden, Florida State might just let this one die down a bit in the media.  FSU can make it look like this situation is completely up to Bobby Bowden.  It's not Florida State's decision, it's Bowden's retirement planning.  

I initially thought that Florida State needed to handle this like a band-aid.  Rip that sucker off and begin the healing process.  Don't let it linger.  I thought that because I believed that FSU needed an announcement from Bowden in order to appease the boosters and save the recruiting class.  

But I no longer believe that.  With the Fisher contract likely to grant him full coach powers, I no longer feel Bowden's announcement is essential.  Making it seem like this situation was all about the Fisher contract and completely ignoring any of the pity-party nonsense that comes from the Bowden camp is a genius way to handle this process because it definitively answers questions about Florida State's future (including recruiting) and doesn't force FSU to placate the Bowden camp in any way.  Instead of saying "end of the Bobby Bowden Era", FSU will simply say "We are excited to embark on the Jimbo Fisher Era."  

As for a timetable on something like this, it is hard to say.  I didn't expect Bowden to fight this as hard as he is.  Sure, I expected him to publicly fight it, but I expected him to privately accept one of the options.  If the Fisher announcement is made soon as many suspect, then the Bowden decision could be delayed until Christmas.  It really wouldn't matter.  Fisher already has his offensive coordinator on staff, and he would need to select a defensive coordinator regardless of Bowden's decision.  The point being, the timing of Bowden choosing either option won't affect Fisher's ability to compile a championship caliber staff and finish strong in the recruiting trail as he and the other coaches attempt to repair some of the damage done by Bowden's mismanagement of the program.  

If the Fisher announcement hits a snag, then I would expect some sort of "progress is being made" announcement.

 

Fun InHistoric.com Bobby Bowden is Older Than Fact Of the Day:  DNA.  Seriously.  Bobby Bowden is older than DNA

 

Editor's Note:  I'd like to get back to some actual football talk.  There won't be another substantial Fisher-Bowden piece like this one and the previous two until we learn more.  We would like to cover FSU's Goal-line woes, the defensive problems, and of couse, the intracicies of Georgia Tech's offense.  That's right, Florida State has a game this weekend.  

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SO about Jimbos contract would he get the power next season

or right when he signs it. If he gets it when he signs it would he can CTC and the DE coach. Would he let them stay because he still needs coached to coach the players tell the end of the season. Can he hire someone temp for the rest of the season.

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by Desman on Oct 7, 2009 6:19 AM EDT reply actions  

I was wondering the same thing.

What are the chances of Amato/Allen getting fired or quitting this season? In other words is there any chance at team unity some time this season? Looks unlikely to me, but I’m curious if it is even a possibility now.

by HanzoSteel on Oct 7, 2009 6:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Amato and Allen arent quitting.....

And Im pretty sure Jimbo cant get teh power now since BB is still under contract.

I have very strong feeling we are going to blow this…….

If you build it, they will come.

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by stevegrizzle on Oct 7, 2009 6:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Doesn’t Bobby’s contract end in January and then he will need to sign a new deal? Jimbo will already have his title and should be able to get rid of them at that point.

by vegasnole9399 on Oct 7, 2009 6:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Jimbo's Contract

Would grant him complete control of the program upon the completion of the regular season (Early December). It comes down to if Bowden wants to hang around and watch someone else run his team while he gets the wins, or if he would rather retire. Whether BB likes it or not, the FSU brass will not allow Amato to take over as DC. They are prepping for the Jimbo Fisher era now, and they will make sure he gets to have his staff in place. Chuck is hanging by a thread off of BB’s coat. Sooner or later, Bowden will have to cut that thread if he wants to remain at FSU, or he can fall with Amato.

I hate this for Jimbo. I cannot imagine how uncomfortable and awkward this must be for him. He shouldn’t have to go through all this . I hope he sticks it out and stays strong. he wants control, so that he can steer the program in the right direction. Jimbo deserves that, seeing as how people already give him the blame reserved for a HC.

Finally, I am really getting sick of reading comments from former players (Deion, Dockett) who are criticizing FSU for taking this stance. If they took 2 seconds to analyze the situation, they would see that BB is nowhere near the same coach as the one who led their teams. FSU has bent themselves over for that man a lot more than they should have, and he has used that as a means to get everything he wants, even at the expense of the program. These former players need to shut their traps, because they are speaking about things for which they lack all of the facts.

by NIU on Oct 7, 2009 6:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

and it's much easier to vocalize support for Bowden than against him.

You’ll get blasted for speaking negatively about the man who built the program, blah, blah, blah…..even if it is the majority opinion.

by The K-Man on Oct 7, 2009 12:31 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

It just hurts us tremendously

To not get some new coaches in there now IMO.

A) Recruiting- Jimbo contract or not, others will use this situation to show the dysfunction of our program. Until there is a concrete DATE OF “RETIREMENT” we cannot really start to swing some recruits back our way.

2) Team Morale – they realize that FSU is satisfied to just can the season to spare the old coots feelings.

D) Chuck’s Man Bro and Sunglasses will not sell for nearly as mush on ebay and the booster will have to cough up the difference (As per Sec. IV.12.332.01 Bobby’s Contract “TK HEARTS BOBBY” Clause)

If you build it, they will come.

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by stevegrizzle on Oct 7, 2009 6:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

I tend to agree with this.

Bobby needs to sh*t or get off the pot. Problem is, I don’t think he realizes just how much this state of limbo is hurting our recruiting.

by MKE Nole on Oct 7, 2009 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

He does.

He simply doesn’t care. It’s all about him.

by TRMNole on Oct 7, 2009 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

what?

So now former players shouldn’t be allowed to express their opinions like you? Players who have actually been on the field with the man and in the locker room with him, people who have spent thousands of hours in meetings and practices with the guy?? I don’t agree with Deion’s opinion in this case either, but get over yourself man. There’s nothing more annoying than good old anger masquerading as ‘objective analysis’ telling everyone else who has a different opinion to shut up. That kind of attitude makes it really difficult to listen to you, even if you’re right.

by humanbeing on Oct 7, 2009 7:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

he gave a clear reason why he thinks the former player opinions are not relevant

but you are not intelligent enough or not willing to read.

If you build it, they will come.

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by stevegrizzle on Oct 7, 2009 7:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

logic

‘Clear’ reason doesn’t necessarily mean ‘Good’ reason. I suggest that someone who actually had a close relationship with Bowden, someone who actually owes quite a bit of his success in life to Bowden, I suggest that this person MIGHT have something worthwhile to add to the conversation, even if I disagree with his general opinion.

Maybe it will help if I use more insulting language, as you seem to prefer: my ego isn’t so fragile as yours that I can’t handle an opposing opinion without melting down into insults like a hysterical pre-pubescent child.

As a believer in the oh so messy American democratic process, I like to listen to people I disagree with so they can either point out aspects of an issue I may have missed, or if I’m lucky, prove exactly how right I am…either way, I would rather listen to someone challenge my perspective than kiss my ass in agreement.

by humanbeing on Oct 8, 2009 4:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

that was then this is now. Hes not the same.

Hell he didnt even give a pregame speach at the BC game. He doesnt wear a headset on the field. Hes not coaching these kids. How many of there names does he know. Hes a puppet for the most part that thinks he has all the power. Yes they should say whatever they want but all they can say was back then he was like this they dont know him now they are not in the locker room now. There is a reason why players now are in support of the black out.

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by Desman on Oct 7, 2009 7:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

I respect that you dont support the black out or black balling Bobby is getting but

all you can say is how you feel. I care more about FSU football and the players than Bobby because I feel its about them not him. Because of the things he is doing is hurting this young men. What is he going to tell P-rob when he dont get drafted in the first round because his Def sucks and makes him look so bad when hes one of if not the best CB in the nation.

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by Desman on Oct 7, 2009 7:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Amen!

I wonder if there are any recruits “D” can send away from FSU this year. Like he did w/ Noel Devine.

by Diablo_2 on Oct 7, 2009 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

It is very disheartening

When former players comment having no idea what the facts are. It is great that they have fond memories of Bobby but I am interested in what happens to FSU not the Bowden clan. I will never have any respect for any of Bowden clan in the future after what they have tried to pull here. I can’t wait to see the whole bunch of them out of Tallahassee for good. I applaud Jim Smith for seeing what is going on and finally stepping up to do something about it.

Even though they think they are the Bowdens are not FSU. If it were up to me I would take down the statue and the plate glass window after what has happened here. They should consider taking the money and running that is the only reason they are hanging around. Let FSU get on with it’s future program without all the drama.

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by DocHoliday2 on Oct 7, 2009 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Actually, the players

do have a good idea of what is going on here. They understand that Bowden isn’t the coach he used to be. What they are protesting is the personal attacks on this man who has meant so much to them. They understand that he is no longer the coach that he once was. But they also understand that some members of the community have a very personal beef with Bowden (let’s face it, there’s a fair amount of open hatred for the man expressed on these sites) and they have every right in the world to speak out against that.

Really guys, I think most of us agree that Bowden should retire, or at the very least Fisher should be given complete practical control of the program next year. But when you vent your anger so openly and aggressively, with such total disrespect (not because he’s the ‘legendary Bobby Bowden’, but just out of basic respect for another living being), or with mere lip service to his past contributions, you’re really not serving your goal very well.

It just makes you look like a mindless member of the angry mob and it makes it so easy to dismiss your opinions, even if you’re basically right.

by humanbeing on Oct 8, 2009 5:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

huh?

First Bowden is a senile old man, doddering around the sidelines in a clueless, age-induced fog, and now he’s a saavy master politician, skillfully manipulating the national media and playing the administration for all it’s worth…?

by humanbeing on Oct 7, 2009 6:40 AM EDT reply actions  

hes is the senile man

family and friends are behind the media manipulation

If you build it, they will come.

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by stevegrizzle on Oct 7, 2009 6:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

hello

i think you mentioned something above about reading the text? ok, let me help you out here:

“One example of Bowden’s media savvy…”
“Bowden played dumb…”
“So while Bowden will shrewdly plays the media game…”

it’s pretty clear from these statements taken from the text that the writer is saying that BB is saavy, clever and shrewd, all qualities that don’t reconcile with ‘senile old man’.

just saying…

by humanbeing on Oct 8, 2009 5:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

I work with a guy like that

The dude is 73 refuses to retire, can’t pull his weigh anymore and is in the HR dept bitching all the time.

by vegasnole9399 on Oct 7, 2009 6:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

So uh...

why don’t all just roll over and kiss his a$$. Would that appease you more? Get real guy, the program has been on a decline since Jeff Bowden took over as OC/ QB coach, which he emensley sucked at. Chris Rix had all the tools to be great but never developed b/c of poor coaching. Same with Weathorford, though he did okay as a QB. Ponder has had GREAT coaching from JIMBO and his progress has been noticed. However, everybody thinks BB is doing a great job and deserves to go when he wants. He’s a damn HC getting paid to COACH, which he is not doing. He’s a paid cheerleader with the best seats in the house every game.

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by gonolesrolltide on Oct 7, 2009 8:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

I raised this point before but really, what difference does it make?

Either way he needs to go. Have you not been watching any games this season? The offense hasn’t been perfect, but the defense has been atrocious. The defensive side is being coached by the old regime. They won’t be gone until Bowden is gone.

by FSUjab on Oct 7, 2009 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

what offense have you been watching…………turnovers and no redzone consistency lack of run blocking skills.

by Bradzester on Oct 7, 2009 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

That’s great they get yards….but when you don’t convert in the redzone or turn the ball over does it really mean anything? really?

by Bradzester on Oct 7, 2009 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Turnovers aren't his fault

We’ve talked about the redzone problems, and it seems reasonable to believe the guy who put together the top offense in the ACC and won coordinator of the year would be working to fix it, as opposed to the other coaches, who literally do nothing.

>>---l>

by DKfromVA on Oct 7, 2009 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well, it's clearly not Coach Bowden's fault either

as he eloquently instructed the receivers to catch the ball and for running backs to hold onto the ball, you know?

by coonhound on Oct 7, 2009 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

According to majority of the posters it’s all Bobby’s fault……stay tuned next they will be blaming BB for Global Warming

by Bradzester on Oct 7, 2009 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah.

We don’t blame Bobby for any player’s performance because he doesn’t coach ANYTHING!

We do blame him for creating a toxic environment for the coaches who do coach, to be effective at doing just that: coaching.

by coonhound on Oct 7, 2009 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

If the head coach is not to ultimately blame for the state of the program, who is?

by evenflow58 on Oct 7, 2009 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

When Apple was tanking in the 90's

They fired Steve Jobs, its founder.

Understand that in a free market economy pay is for performance.

I understand giving someone a chance to redeem themselves, but its been 8 years. That’s one hell of a chance.

by Trus1te on Oct 7, 2009 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

Bad, BAD

comparison. I don’t want to can Bowden and bring him back when he’s 90.

by wnc_nole on Oct 7, 2009 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't either

But it shows that just because you built it doesn’t mean you get to run it into the ground

by Trus1te on Oct 7, 2009 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

i see what you mean

but maybe that’s not the best analogy, since Jobs ended up coming back and showing what a stud he really was after all. I seriously doubt BB has that kind of comeback in him.

by humanbeing on Oct 8, 2009 5:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

If I recall this was a problem last year as well…..big improvements…sorry I’m not drink the Kool-Aid

by Bradzester on Oct 7, 2009 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, those statistics just lie don't they?

Top offense in the ACC. Coordinator of the year. Two top 10 recruiting classes. But he’s a failure, man. Don’t believe those “facts.”

>>---l>

by DKfromVA on Oct 7, 2009 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

+1

How can you link the turnovers to Jimbo? At some point players need to make plays. The plays are called in from the sideline and it is up to them to execute. Fumbles, dropped passes, stumbling before reaching the endzone…these are all issues in which the players need to focus on what their doing and make the play. its as simple as that. Not every call is going to be the right one, but I’d say all in all Jimbo has done one hell of a job with that.

by JersyNole on Oct 7, 2009 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

the little things

are hard to focus on when you have coaches bickering at each other instead of coaching. i think we’re way beyond x’s and o’s at this point

by beachnole05 on Oct 7, 2009 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Poor execution and focus on the offense in critical times during a game and in the redzone= lack of pre-game preparation.

by Bradzester on Oct 7, 2009 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

thats the point

JF is coaching with serious inhibitors all around him and no real power to remedy the situation

by beachnole05 on Oct 7, 2009 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Stop the excuses!

Put the damn ball in the enzone

by Bradzester on Oct 7, 2009 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ah so that's the secret!

I’ll get Jimbo on the phone. If your biggest problem with this team is Jimbo’s redzone play calling, you have some issues you need to work out.

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by DKfromVA on Oct 7, 2009 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

I guess this is the no criticize Jimbo website…..

by Bradzester on Oct 7, 2009 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

If that's your guess

Then you still have no idea. Read the material here. Everyone is fair game. This is the most objective Nole site that there is. We didn’t arbitrarily decide to want Bobby gone, he drove us here.

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by DKfromVA on Oct 7, 2009 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

I have read the material don’t agree my opinion…Don’t think Jimbo is end all solution….

by Bradzester on Oct 7, 2009 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well, that's your opinion

And nobody can know for sure. But there isn’t a whole lot of evidence to suggest he won’t be a good head coach. He worked with Saban for quite a while…he understands structural organization and works very hard.

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by DKfromVA on Oct 7, 2009 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well according to the majority Bowden does nothing so Jimbo is doing the coaching and the results are 2-3 0-2 in the ACC

by Bradzester on Oct 7, 2009 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, coaching with severe limitations.

He has no control. It’s responsibility without authority. That is destined for disaster.

by coonhound on Oct 7, 2009 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

according to the majority

you def have not read the site – you’re taking an extremely simplistic view of the situation.

by beachnole05 on Oct 7, 2009 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Still not reading the material

Jimbo is 4th on the chain of command for ridiculous reasons. He can’t even address the team without being shouted down by The Clown Amato. He doesn’t have nearly the control that a head coach in waiting should. It’s a ridiculous situation that he has to try to be successful in, and somehow, he has been. It’s a testament to how hard he works.

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by DKfromVA on Oct 7, 2009 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

TCA

all these acronyms are getting tough to keep up with…

by beachnole05 on Oct 7, 2009 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

He’s taken some flak over here but it’s hard to argue that he’s the biggest problem here. It’s very apparent that his units are coached better than any other unit on the field.

The reason people cite yards is that that stat is based on multiple plays. The more trials you are successful at the better you are. Also, when you look at teams in the past that have high yardage gained and low points scored the points most always sync up the following year. Most of those teams have young players at key positions and the experience gained helps out the next year.

I’ve mentioned this multiple times on this site but the goal should be for a good, solid process. That makes positive results repeatable. Fisher has shown, through yardage for example, that he has a quality process. The results will come. Bobby has not shown that for years, thus the impetus falls on Bobby.

by evenflow58 on Oct 7, 2009 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

We just want some fresh ideas, Brad.

You would be welcomed if you had even one. We don’t want to read every regurgitated talking point from every paysite and newspaper out there. Every one of your comments has been torn to shreds on this site with the likes of you being humiliated in the process. And the likes of me get bored repeating ourselves when another one of you show up. We’re here to get away from people like you. You’re embarrassing yourself. You’ll learn this one day when you take the time to read the site, change your screenname, and at least be able to participate in an intelligent conversation with us. But seriously, if you want petty arguments, go read the ones we’ve had with your forefathers. They end badly for you.

by TRMNole on Oct 7, 2009 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Ouch you take this way too seriously come out of the basement get some fresh air….

by Bradzester on Oct 7, 2009 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

??

Honestly, I don’t even know what that means.

by TRMNole on Oct 7, 2009 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

Why would I be humiliated? It’s my opinion and…and sorry I’m just not on the Jimbo train….my bad…seriously go back and read your comment were laughing are @%%# right now on how seriously you take this…..we show
up here to get away from people like you….you gotta be kidding me…

by Bradzester on Oct 7, 2009 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yet I wasn't kidding.

Okay, but for real, this is getting old, so good-bye.

by TRMNole on Oct 7, 2009 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Guess

is he didn’t have to coach almost every position on the team then he could spend more time with the offense. Try reading some of the maerial on this site before opening your man pleaser.

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by gonolesrolltide on Oct 7, 2009 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Man, sounds like there are some distractions

Who would be responsible for those? Hmmmm…

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by DKfromVA on Oct 7, 2009 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ultimately, he is responsible

BUT he wants to fire RB Coach Dexter Carter and Bowden hasn’t let him as of yet. FSU has thrown 1 interception this year in almost 200 pass attempts, that is sick. He has a lot more control over the passing game. Notice how Fisher has a lot more control over it.

by Bud Elliott on Oct 7, 2009 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Then how can BB be blamed for it all?

This team could EASILY be 4-1 and that is counting the Jax St. “loss” that was 48 seconds away… blah blah blah IF that was the case, this too cool for the earth crowd would be the only people crying how BB is why we are not 5-0. To the rest of the country.. this is a weird show being put on. Does he need to retire soon… yeah, nobody with sense would say otherwise ( I have never said that either) But does it need to be a mutual and behind the scenes decision with the University, Yes. All this talk about money and family financial problems and such is none of “our” business. FSU is having a bad season, with some crappy luck thrown in. If Mickey retires, that should be the signal for the house cleaning on Defense staff. CA has not been the same since the NC State job and I guess bringing him back was not the ideal results… but damn, fault and belittle a man who is LOYAL to people who were loyal to him. WOW, If that is wrong, I don’t wanna be right. (think that was an old country song title)

by wolffbird7 on Oct 8, 2009 4:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Coaches put their players in a position to win games

I think Red Zone% is more of an indicator of lack of execution by players than poor coaching.

By the way, in wins we are 10 for 10 (100% in the Red Zone)
In losses we are 6 of 12 (50%)

Of the 6 failures:
A poor pass/poor catch attempt combo against Miami. (Player Execution)
A Goal Line Failure against South Florida (sorry but this is the O Line’s Fault)
A Goal Line Failure against Boston College (again, O-Line)
A Fumble in the South Florida game. (Player failure to secure football)

I’m not sure what the last 2 are (I believe one was a missed Field Goal), but even if they somehow were Fisher’s fault that’s 2 failures on him out of 22 attempts. I’ll take that.

by SeminoleDan on Oct 7, 2009 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I've been watching a top 3 offense in the ACC

What defense have you been watching? The one that’s DEAD LAST in the ACC.

by FSUjab on Oct 7, 2009 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Zesty

seriously, we all appreciate your opinions – but please READ THE SITE. there are in depth discussions on our defensive woes, offensive troubles, bobby, recruiting… you name it. READ, come back tomorrow and we’ll be happy to continue the humiliation, if necessary.

by beachnole05 on Oct 7, 2009 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

Survivors

Other than Jimbo, Cooley, & Trickett do you see anyone else sticking around on the new staff? Maybe TBuck as CB coach?

by vegasnole9399 on Oct 7, 2009 6:43 AM EDT reply actions  

Dawsey

Is the only other coach with a decent chance at being retained.

by NIU on Oct 7, 2009 6:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

I just hope Jimbo can hold out.

I hate that BB is making it so hard for Jimbo becaues Bobby is hurting the recruiting because of this. The more games we lose the more recruits leave. I know we will be ok but I was looking at 2011 and 2012 to be good years to us. That might not happen now because we can fix the problems we have. Its funny FSUn uses cancer as to what is going on with the team because the treatment we need is going to be long hard and painful and still might not have a good outcome. Sounds like chemotherapy to me.

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by Desman on Oct 7, 2009 6:57 AM EDT reply actions  

so what will happen next week when GT blows us out the water

and the following week when UNC beats us. I think we can win both these games by out scoring them but thats a lot of pressure on Jimbo and the offense. What will the boosters tell bobby then. what will the school be like then. Will the fans blame jimbo for not scoring more points. The national media seems to talk about FSU as a whole and not notice that the offense is actualy kinda good. It just sucks that more drama than Law and Order and its just going to get worst.

Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry

by Desman on Oct 7, 2009 7:13 AM EDT reply actions  

The drama is only there because the university allows it to be there. Coaches get fired all the time, and it’s not a big deal other than the university wants to save face. There is no one in college football that could say we didn’t give him enough time to turn this thing around. He had 8 years and didn’t make any changes unless he was forced to, oh and he gave his buddy the chest a job.

by vegasnole9399 on Oct 7, 2009 7:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

no no desman

You’ve got it all wrong – this is the week when FSU should dominate the supposedly superior opponent. After all, that’s the only way of prolonging this apoplectic storm of fan angst even more. With every loss it gets simpler and simpler to oust the old guard. Personally, I’d be happy to go undefeated the rest of the season and see how the anti-Bowden crowd managed to spin that one. Don’t get me wrong, I’d like to see him retire too, but you guys are making it awfully easy to root for Bowden.

by humanbeing on Oct 7, 2009 7:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

youre posts are completely lacking in logic.

are you jeff bowden?

seriously, you arent influencing people here they arent idiots…… try warchant.

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by stevegrizzle on Oct 7, 2009 7:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe Bradzester is Brad Scott

Surely he doesn’t think he is coming back as offensive coordinator. How many people has BB put on the payroll at this point?

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by DocHoliday2 on Oct 7, 2009 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

So your telling me that on of if not the worst run stop def in the nation is going to come together

and stop the trip option. Sorry I dont see that happen. GT is going to run wild on FSU and I dont care if they took 10 min a practice or 1hr we wont stop them. We can put 9 in the box and prob will and still get blown out. All they have to do is stop the offense 2 times and they should win.

Im prob just saying this because Im pissed off because I took FSU with a 70% of winning this game at the beggening of the season but sence then I thought we were unstopable and now we stop ourselfs. Thanks Bobby.

Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry

by Desman on Oct 7, 2009 7:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

From a purely statistical point of view...

Ga. Tech Rush Offense: 252.2 ypg (6th in Nation)
FSU Run Defense: 128.8 ypg (57th in Nation)
+1 for you.

FSU Passing Offense: 285.4 (17th in Nation)
Ga. Tech Pass Defense: 227.8 ypg (77th in Nation)
+1 for FSU

How about this: Miami vs Ga. Tech Statistically:

Ga. Tech Rush Offense: 252.2 ypg (6th in Nation)
Miami Rush Defense: 157.5 ypg (83rd in Nation, aka worse than ours)

Miami Pass Offense: 252.0 ypg (37th in Nation, also worse than ours)
Ga. Tech Pass Defense: 227.8 ypg (77th in Nation)

Of course our results could differ drastically, but I choose to feel positive about the game this weekend because of these numbers.

by SeminoleDan on Oct 7, 2009 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

:)

the point isn’t that we ‘logically’ should win the game. the point is that our teams over the past 8 years or so have had an uncanny ability to absolutely torture the fans by constantly either underperforming or overperforming – never just performing at an expected level.

just when you think we suck, we go on the road and beat up on a top 20 team…then, just when you think we might be headed back in the right direction, we lose to an upstart in-state school. it was easy to be a fan during the 14 reign of excellence. and it would actually be much easier now to be a fan if we just sucked, or even if we were just consistently mediocre.

but no, we’re stuck in this schizophrenic cycle of looking like world-beaters at times, and then looking like a bad high school team at others. that’s what really has some people in the fan base writing in agony, the constant ups and downs.

by humanbeing on Oct 8, 2009 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

as for rooting for Bobby F that

I have rooted for him sence 1990 when I was 10 years old. Ive been to one of his best games and seen MA Def destroy teams. The last time this happened was more than 8 years ago. Im done with him and whatever his problem is. I love what he has done but give me a brake 8 years of let downs. When was the last time FSU won the OB. Those are high standards but thats what I expect. He game me 2 NC and now cant even win the ACC. You dont even have to win all the game to do that. No no more Im done. I love what I see from Jimbo, Trickett, and Coley. Our Offense is turning into a monster right in front of us and no one sees it because or Def sucks so bad and Bobby wont get ride of the problems.

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by Desman on Oct 7, 2009 7:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

I like the zinger directed at AC

I’m also stumped that he’s now singing a different tune in a matter of hours. Makes you wonder what’s going on behind the scenes. Notably, he didn’t deny my comment that he’s been bought by the Bowdens… tacit admission? :)

by FSUjab on Oct 7, 2009 8:08 AM EDT reply actions  

AC

has also totally denied any of the alleged incidents (usf pre-game, sucker punch, etc) ever happening.

by wnc_nole on Oct 7, 2009 8:22 AM EDT reply actions  

Dude seriously you need to get over the Amato thing. Why is so many people so anxious to have jimbo take over….oh great the 2nd coming of Jeff Bowden……

by Bradzester on Oct 7, 2009 8:23 AM EDT reply actions  

LOL

so uninformed. . .

Kinda makes me miss the old days where all the posters had common sense. . .

by freshcollegeboy on Oct 7, 2009 8:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

It doesn't matter who it is

We just want bobby to enjoy the ride into the sunset. Legally we are required to give that chance to Jimbo of give him 5 mil. And please if you are going to be a Jimbo=jeffy read here

"Reporter: What will you tell the team at halftime Bobby?
Bobby: I'll tell 'em what I always tell 'em when were winning. Boys if they don't score we'll win this game"

by fsugrizz on Oct 7, 2009 8:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

You know crack kills

And if you havent noticed CTC (Chcuk Amato) is the Crack and if you are smoking some of that you are more a man than me.

My question is if the HC does not come down for the pregame speech and Someone Ill call Jimbo steps up and tried to give one to get the players fired up for the game. Then person B well call him Chuck starts a fight with this Jimbo guy in front of the whole team because he should be the one to do this but didnt take the initiative to do so. And you think this person b AKA CTC or Amato is not the problem.

again crack kills

Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry

by Desman on Oct 7, 2009 8:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

if Jimbo was like Jeff, he wouldn’t have been able to work with Saban for so long. Dummy.

He bleeds Garnet and Gold, She bleeds Crimson and White. AND THEY BOTH HATE ORANGE! GO NOLES!! ROLL TIDE!!

by gonolesrolltide on Oct 7, 2009 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Let's chill on AC

I really think his editors are more at play on this than anything. Aside from this drama, he’s been pretty damn great covering FSU.

by pillsburysoldier on Oct 7, 2009 8:26 AM EDT reply actions  

Agree

but I too worry about his change in stance….lacking some of the objectiveness, and more willing to bend info to current staff wishes.

Then again, maybe he just looked at the numbers quickly and didn’t account for changes intimes…

by PBD on Oct 7, 2009 8:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m sure he’d like to keep his job. I can’t blame him for that

by evenflow58 on Oct 7, 2009 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Must have missed AC’s comparison of Jeff Bowden and Jimbo……..19-13 yeah!!!

by Bradzester on Oct 7, 2009 8:28 AM EDT reply actions  

Brad, if you're not going to take the time to familiarize yourself with the info on the site...

…then why bother posting? There’s a great forum for you at Warchant. I don’t think you’ll find what you want here.

by TRMNole on Oct 7, 2009 8:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

try familiarize yourself with the game of football…before posting seriously did you every play or just another playstation all american

by Bradzester on Oct 7, 2009 8:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Second team.

Was never sober enough by the time we made it to the finals.

by TRMNole on Oct 7, 2009 8:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Can we show Bowden som respect

This is a great site, but the negative slant on Bowden is disgusting. I am not saying we have to support the man 100%, but to use a public forum like this to call him names and claim he is stealing is just wrong. Him going out in a bad way will hurt FSU in the long run and lucky for us the admin seems to have firm grasp on that. Try losing the support of former players, alumni, and boosters and see how things work out for you. Do any of you know Bowden or former players? Have you ever discussed his meaning to them?

Bowden does not need FSU to raise money, he is an accomplish speaker and could travel the country making a decent living if he “was hurting”. You said you don’t question his faith but question him being afraid of death. Then why add that to your article? Unbelievable. Again, not an attack on you or your site, but I think you are crossing the line a little bit.

by NoleAmerica on Oct 7, 2009 8:36 AM EDT reply actions  

Every single one of these posts ignore every single argument we've already made here.

As if we’ve never considered their position, and as if we haven’t already crafted a response to every single one of their bullet points. Read the site.

by TRMNole on Oct 7, 2009 8:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

couldn't disagree more

Boosters are already pissed about losing and the donations are down. Alumni are pissed that he gets so much to do nothing and doesn’t seem to care after losses. Former players (most of them) really do little to nothing for FSU. We are UM who has a ton of old players around all the time to show to recruits. Trying to bow to former players is worse than keeping Bowden around because he was good in the 80s and 90s. Looking behind you all the time is a good way to fall off a cliff.

Bowden also can’t travel the country speaking anymore because he has become a national after though. Every time he is in a big game on tv now he comes out on the wrong end. Bowden is big time to his fans, but to the rest of the country he is an old man who should have retired a few years ago. That is what years of losing does to you.

by osceolafan850 on Oct 7, 2009 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

I respect actions

and his of late deserve none.

Him going out in a bad way will hurt FSU in the long run and lucky for us the admin seems to have firm grasp on that.

Bobby Bowden the legend is already dead. He was replaces by selfish, nepotism, crank, vindictive, paranoid Bowden.

by Bud Elliott on Oct 7, 2009 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Bobby and the D and not the only ones to blame….I guess Jimbo gets a free pass kind of like the backup Quarterback syndrome……But seriously Jimbo’s offense needs to stop stalling when They get into the redzone last 6 trips=0 points….I guess that’s Bobby’s fault though….

by Bradzester on Oct 7, 2009 8:39 AM EDT reply actions  

Not speaking from Brad

but Jimbo DOES have to improve in the red-zone. However, I think even he would admit that if he hasn’t already. There is no perfect coordinator but at the rate Jimbo and his offense move the ball I will take that flaw and invest in the fact that he will continue to get better and improve his coaching in the red-zone (just like any player improves, so do coaches).

"I have come that you may have life, and life to the max"

by UNFNOLE on Oct 7, 2009 8:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, absolutely.

But Jimbo as OC is not the problem here. I want Brad’s solution. Or is that it, Brad?

by TRMNole on Oct 7, 2009 8:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

I

don’t think Jimbo is the one calling “Wham-34”…

by wnc_nole on Oct 7, 2009 8:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

I would have to agree here,

Just like Jimbo hinted to in Monday’s Press conferenece. We just don’t have the personel to run those plays at goaline.(paraphrase) I think Bobby might have been playing with the headset again!

by UnstopaNole99! on Oct 7, 2009 8:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

I would disagree with Jimbo.

We may not have the personnel in our base offenses, but it just takes a little creativity. Use Reliford in the backfield, use Ponders ability to run. There is always ways to get it in. I’m confident he will figure it out.

"I have come that you may have life, and life to the max"

by UNFNOLE on Oct 7, 2009 8:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

If he's that badly hurt

then put EJ in on goal-line. There is ways to score. You can’t handcuff yourself just because you don’t have the personnel, that is an excuse.

"I have come that you may have life, and life to the max"

by UNFNOLE on Oct 7, 2009 9:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Did you watch the USF game? When EJ comes in, it's a telegraphed run play.

The huge advantage of a running/scrambling QB is not knowing when he’s going to do it. Thus, the defense doesn’t account for the QB. Doesn’t work so well when all 11 defenders know the QB is going to run…

by FSUjab on Oct 7, 2009 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

not as blocking backs

"I have come that you may have life, and life to the max"

by UNFNOLE on Oct 7, 2009 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

you want them to run the dive?

Don’t know if I trust them to hold the ball. Ball security on a dive with short yardage is very different than after a catch.

by osceolafan850 on Oct 7, 2009 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

oh I agree that Jimbo will figure it out,

I was implying Bobby might have had the headset on and was encouraging telling Jimbo to run it up the gut, and Jimbo"s comments were his way of saying to Bobby..hey we dont have the personnel to do that.

by UnstopaNole99! on Oct 7, 2009 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

ESPN

just said Bowden will not be asked to step down this season according to Shaun (Shawn) King.

by jasonole59 on Oct 7, 2009 8:40 AM EDT reply actions  

Jeff Cameron brought up a great point

that I will regurgitate here for the sake of discussion.

How awkward is that going to be when Bowdens only friend on the staff anymore is Jimbo Fisher? He is just going to be standing around with the title head coach not doing a single thing. Sure it allows him to feel important but there is just going to be too many awkward moments. He will have little to no say in anything, he can’t coach a position, he obviously doesn’t like addressing the team anymore, he’s not going to have much to say at press conferences. He really will just be standing on the sideline with a title and nothing more. How shamefully sad.

"I have come that you may have life, and life to the max"

by UNFNOLE on Oct 7, 2009 8:45 AM EDT reply actions  

Solution:

Put Bobby up in the booth. Seriously. Give him a private booth with window tint, a bed, fried chicken buffet, ‘nanna pudding, a head set (doesn’t have to be plugged in to anything), and a TV (in case he wants to check in on the game).

by MKE Nole on Oct 7, 2009 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bobby Bowden Has Betrayed FSU

Yes that’s the lead article in the Orlando Sentinel Sports Section Today, written by Mike Bianchi

by Nole_Fan_Til_I_Die on Oct 7, 2009 8:48 AM EDT reply actions  

AC slants toward Bowden, and Bianchi becomes the voice of reason?

WTH is going on here?

I have six locks on my door all in a row. When I go out, I only lock every other one. I figure no matter how long somebody stands there picking the locks, they are always locking three.

Elayne Boosler

by NaGaNole on Oct 7, 2009 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

I blame it on the dyslexic bowl a couple weeks back

Since then, FSU fans have encountered a bizarro-world of sorts.

by FSUjab on Oct 7, 2009 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sometimes it takes a fool like Bianchi...

…but to his credit, he’s consistently come down this path. Not that I read him a second more than I have to.

by TRMNole on Oct 7, 2009 9:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

His job is to antagonize people

and get people stirred up enough to read him and “hate” him. He’s not a journalist.

"I have come that you may have life, and life to the max"

by UNFNOLE on Oct 7, 2009 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

I wish this article would get national media attention

so those not familar would see what really has transpirred over the lasst nine years!

by UnstopaNole99! on Oct 7, 2009 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

He is a Gator

So it might

Put Bobby to Bed

by RaysnNoles on Oct 7, 2009 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Many times Bianchi is such a tool but this article is right on.

by Noles93 on Oct 7, 2009 9:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

I do wish we could get back to some football analysis as FSUncensored has suggested

and this whole situation would be resolved. I know that is unlikely to happen but I am so ready for this blackeye on the Florida State program to be gone!

by UnstopaNole99! on Oct 7, 2009 8:58 AM EDT reply actions  

there will be threads for that.

This is not one of them.

"I have come that you may have life, and life to the max"

by UNFNOLE on Oct 7, 2009 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wow

Your work on this subject over the last week or so (and in fact longer) has been excellent.

by CJS55 on Oct 7, 2009 9:04 AM EDT reply actions  

Wow!

Talk about the irony of that article…

Of course, the one mistake Bobby Bowden didn’t make was staying at one place too long.

by FSUjab on Oct 7, 2009 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

This is great!

Dig in, Bobby, dig in! This is quality entertainment.

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by Gatorpilot on Oct 7, 2009 9:25 AM EDT reply actions  

Re: Money as a Motivating Factor

Associated Press
BIRMINGHAM, Ala. — The oldest son of Florida State football coach Bobby Bowden avoided jail in a $10 million investment fraud case Friday after his father — among the alleged victims — spoke on his behalf.

While Steve Bowden once faced a maximum of 41 months in prison and restitution totaling $4.3 million, he was instead sentenced to six months in home detention and one year probation.

U.S. District Judge Karon O. Bowdre also ordered him to pay $1.26 million in restitution, an amount reduced because his father and another victim dropped their claims.

Addressing the court, the elder Bowden denied he was a victim of fraud. Instead, Bobby Bowden said he simply lost money in an investment that both he and his son believed to be solid.

Prosecutors said Steve Bowden assisted investigators in unraveling the case, another factor in lessening the sentence.

Steve Bowden pleaded guilty in April, admitting he conspired with former Alabama quarterback Brian Burgdorf and others in a scheme that allegedly defrauded investors of $10 million.

The scam involved selling unregistered securities through The Millennium Fund, which billed itself as being for “the privileged few.”

Steve Bowden brought in his father and three other investors, who lost more than $4 million total, according to prosecutors. Bobby Bowden invested $1.6 million.

Steve Bowden and Burgdorf, a backup on Alabama’s national title team in 1992, pleaded guilty to conspiring to sell unregistered securities.

Bowden and Burgdorf, whose sentencing was delayed, were among recruiters who brought investors into the scheme, which began in 1996 and included a web of accounts and corporations, according to court documents.

by fsu44 on Oct 7, 2009 9:30 AM EDT reply actions  

Jimbo's Contract

Indeed, it is all about Bobby understanding that the powers that be have said “Jimbo’s ship is sailing and either you can hop on for the ride, which will be a great one next year…or be left at home.”

However, I do fear that any delayed concession by Bowden on moving forward will

1) Make FSU nationally look like they have decided to totally ignore Bobby and move on without him. Which will get them skewered for showing no respect, an unwillingness to kow tow and bring a positive closure to the Bobby Era.

2) Will be an uphill challenge for Jimbo in recruiting bc other coaches will murder FSU over the dysfunction at the program

I think the sooner the better (less than 3 weeks) or else this will be really tough for all parties moving forward.

Also, I’d be happy if this was handled behind closed doors as much as possible from here on out. The more I hear ‘he did this, he did that’ it just ends up being more negative ammo for the media and recruting

"I got a PBS mind in an MTV world"...Jimmy Buffett

by The Ryno and I Know on Oct 7, 2009 9:53 AM EDT reply actions  

A lot of the damage is done with recruiting, honestly

The positive of having him gone outweighs the further negative recruiting effects that could be caused. At this point, it’s probably going to get ugly. I’m really okay with being skewered by ESPN as long as the end result is Bobby being gone.

>>---l>

by DKfromVA on Oct 7, 2009 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ed Christian

is suppose to be scheduling a visit to Alabama in the next couple weeks. I swear if they end up with him I’ll…… never hear the end of it from my wife!!!!

He bleeds Garnet and Gold, She bleeds Crimson and White. AND THEY BOTH HATE ORANGE! GO NOLES!! ROLL TIDE!!

by gonolesrolltide on Oct 7, 2009 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Great read, I had not

thought about the financial angles with the condos and his son’s issues. I have been thinking that Bobby was just another example of someone who had been told how great he was for so long and surrounded by butt kissers and admirers that he just lost touch with reality. You know, the Hollywood syndrome in which they believe their own bullshit and think they are gods.

by POCONOLE on Oct 7, 2009 10:05 AM EDT reply actions  

Also Im glad this is the last one on this for now.

Im ready to get into the Goaline problems and GT. I dont get whats going on with the running game right now. Its crazy how we get so close and run some of the plays. Jimbo can get us down field but at the goaline not punch it in. You would think after the first 5 times we would get the idea and spread the ball.

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by Desman on Oct 7, 2009 10:07 AM EDT reply actions  

He talked about spreading it in his press conference

I agree, Des. It’ll be interesting to see what he tries to do with it.

>>---l>

by DKfromVA on Oct 7, 2009 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

I've been saying this forever

Think about it:

Jimbo wanted to get rid of the fullback position and go with an H-back.

Our H-back’s can’t block at all.

So we play more snaps with a fullback who is really a 200 lb. true freshman running back.

Doesn’t make any sense. One thing I have liked about Jimbo is that he has been smart in scheming to take advantage of our strengths. Right now, spreading the field out makes the most sense.

by fsu44 on Oct 7, 2009 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

FB

Cameron asked Jimbo on Monday about the GL failures and Jimbo did say that we don’t have the really have the personnel set for goal line.

Until we do, TE drag to Caz, quick slant to slot WR (ala Werfuell to Doering every game) or other spread options will have to do I guess.

"I got a PBS mind in an MTV world"...Jimmy Buffett

by The Ryno and I Know on Oct 7, 2009 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, but I as I posted earlier
Just like Jimbo hinted to in Monday’s Press conferenece. We just don’t have the personel to run those plays at goaline.(paraphrase) I think Bobby might have been playing with the headset again!

I think Bobby might have been interferring here a little on these goaline situations and calling his favorite play, the FB Dive! Too bad we don’t have a listed schollie FB.

by UnstopaNole99! on Oct 7, 2009 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

that's certainly possible

If our online is winning their matchups, the best hting to do is spread the field, and get that extra linebacker outside the box or at least out of position.

by fsu44 on Oct 7, 2009 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

on a related point

It is my sense that we have gone away from the bubble, which most of us know is one of the most effective checks against overloading the box.

We are missing Surrency/Parker’s blocking, without a doubt.

by fsu44 on Oct 7, 2009 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Brace yourselves.

My bet is it is about to get worse. Like, soon.

www.fsufishing.com

by SWFLNole. on Oct 7, 2009 10:10 AM EDT reply actions  

C'mon Bowden wise

we all know we’re not getting to a bowl this year

www.fsufishing.com

by SWFLNole. on Oct 7, 2009 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Just needed clarification

With a triple option team coming up Sat. night I wasn’t sure exactly which you were writing about.

by Diablo_2 on Oct 7, 2009 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

That Jimbo will be the next coach

but the program will be evaluated at the end of the season, and Jimbo’s contract will “likely” be in the works until then

It’ll be up on websites soon

www.fsufishing.com

by SWFLNole. on Oct 7, 2009 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

It says something.

It says they aren’t doing anything in season.

www.fsufishing.com

by SWFLNole. on Oct 7, 2009 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

True, we know what it means

But to the general public, this is simply reiterating the contract they have with Jimbo

>>---l>

by DKfromVA on Oct 7, 2009 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

In other news,

Coach Bowden said in order to beat GT this weekend, Florida State will have to score more points than Tech during regulation.

by coonhound on Oct 7, 2009 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

T.K. WETHERELL STATEMENT:

Coach Bobby Bowden is a friend of mine, as a mentor and coach since my freshman year at FSU in 1963. His character and commitment to excellence has always been the signature of his career. Two years ago Coach Bowden and I and others stood together and announced that we were beginning a period of transition for the football program. That plan is in place and will produce results, given the opportunity and support.

I want to assure all fans, friends, supporters and alumni of Florida State University that that transition will be finalized. Jimbo Fisher will be Florida State University’s next Head Football Coach. We expect to work with Coach Fisher on a contract toward that end, and I will evaluate the program with the athletics director at the end of this season.

As educators we teach our students to always do the right thing, to do it the right way and to never give up. We teach them to always strive for excellence and to make good decisions with that end in mind. Our athletics programs are built on the foundation of helping young people build character and display that in their personal actions as well as on the fields of play. We also expect our teams to be competitive.

Our administration also is committed to those ideals. In intercollegiate athletics that means evaluating every coaching position at the end of the season. Any coach can choose to retire at any time. However, it is the athletics director’s responsibility to determine which coaches are hired and which contracts are extended.

I know all of our fans, friends, supporters and alumni will accord the coaching staff and our young student-athletes all the support, encouragement and respect they deserve. I will respect the process. FSU does not make coaching changes in the middle of the season. We are going to win games and build character. We ask our coaches and players to play out every play of evey game — and never, never quit. To quit on a team or coaches in mid season is not the Seminole way — not the "unconquered" way. What message would it send to anyone — friend or foe — to do that at this time?

Specifically, I also know that Bobby Bowden loves this university. I have talked with him at length, and I know that he will do the right thing, as he always has done. I know the man and I know what’s in his heart.

I have spoken with numerous fans, alumni, Boosters, supporters and staff, and I will make a final report to the full Board of Trustees at the end of the year. Until then, FSU will concentrate on supporting our team and student-athletes in winning as many games as possible. Neither the university nor I will have further comment on this matter until then.

by coonhound on Oct 7, 2009 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

HOORAY

blackout is over! nat’l championship, here we come!

by beachnole05 on Oct 7, 2009 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

At least TK put this in the statement
However, it is the athletics director’s responsibility to determine which coaches are hired and which contracts are extended.

Making that statement, at least in theory, says the Adminstration has final decisiion as to what coaches are hired and fired…NOT BOBBY!

Lets just see if that holds true!

by UnstopaNole99! on Oct 7, 2009 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

I read it differnetly

Translation: I’m to afraid of BB to do whats right so I’ll push it off on the newbie who really hasn’t much authority in this matter because BB looms over the entire University. And the said “newbie” AD will acquiesce to the Bowden clan.

In short, BB stays indefinately and here comes CTC as the new DC.

by Diablo_2 on Oct 7, 2009 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

"Dear Media,

We the esteemed and honorable members of the FSU Athletic Department would like to say that MattDNole is an ass. That is all."

Warmest Regards,

Randy

by coonhound on Oct 7, 2009 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

How in the world

Is our team gonna be able to focus on football vs GT? With a new story coming out every day on the big baby bowden?

by Cee on Oct 7, 2009 10:13 AM EDT reply actions  

lol

i’m more excited for this game that Miami. I’m most excited to see how the blackout turns out. Next would be seeing how the kids do on the field :)

by Cee on Oct 7, 2009 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

The blackout organizer

Is making one hell of a statement. Getting called into Bowdens office and being “threatened” means they care a ton. Excellent job by that guy!

by Cee on Oct 7, 2009 10:15 AM EDT reply actions  

ah, nah

That’s all I meant. The article said he was “pressured” and got a cease and desist letter on top of it. To me that’s a way of being threatened

by Cee on Oct 7, 2009 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

yeah , i hear ya

I knew what u were asking. I’m not an insider or anything. I live in PA , so all i know is what the story said.

I guess the guy was a student since he got called into Bobbys office? I mean they could offer to kick him outta school if he was. That wouldn’t surprise me at all.

by Cee on Oct 7, 2009 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

We cannot allow Bowden to continue beyond this season in ANY capacity

Most people in the know seem to think there is a decent chance that Bowden will be back for 2010, with even more powers supposedly stripped from him. I do not believe we will actually be able to wrestle power away from him in such an arrangement, but even if we could it is unacceptable.

As fans, we cannot allow this opportunity to pass us by. We were here once before. After the devastating Wake Forest loss in 2006 there was sufficient momentum to get rid of everyone. We allowed the administration to stop short, make JB the sacrificial lamb, and we’ve had 3 more seasons of failure. If we blow this chance we will have to hope we get another one at the end of next season. Do not think for a moment that Bowden will go out gracefully after 2010. He has proven time and again he will not.

If we give Bowden any chance to hold on for another year, he will find a way to mess things up. What will happen when he demands to take control of playcalling during a game? Are we going to force Jimbo to stand up to a legend on the sidelines and tell him no (something that not even our administration can seem to do)? This is inviting another season of disaster and postponing any chance we have of a resurgence for at least another season.

The bottom line for me (and obviously I speak only for myself) is that if the administration comes back with any plan that calls for Bowden to return in any capacity next season, the fans should let them know that we won’t have it. That is the point when our efforts need to be ramped up to boycotts, protests, and anything else we can think of.

We are so close on this guys, we need to seize this chance and take back our football program.

by 38Noles on Oct 7, 2009 10:19 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

One more payday baby!

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by DocHoliday2 on Oct 7, 2009 10:21 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

I know

what the problem and I’m going to fix it! Bobby, please…..just look in the mirror and say that.

by POCONOLE on Oct 7, 2009 10:39 AM EDT reply actions  

FSUn... great work, as usual.

"Some nasty players that come from those seeds down at FSU in Tallahassee, we hold ourselves to a higher standard... we'll keep grinding it out. When you step on the field you have to represent not just yourself, but for everybody." (DD #45)

by econole23 on Oct 7, 2009 10:58 AM EDT reply actions  

Schizophrenia at the Orlando Sentinel

Bianchi calls Bowden a traitor that is ripping at the fabric of FSU, a the while saying he loves and respects him.

Carter writes an article saying Fisher is no better the J. Bowden in comparing tenures

by Nole_Fan_Til_I_Die on Oct 7, 2009 11:00 AM EDT reply actions  

Is carter

equipped with a brain in his head? Unfortunately, it doesn’t appear so

by Cee on Oct 7, 2009 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Frontpage story on TN

suggests AC is being fed info from the little fat Bowden in Northern Alabama.

by Diablo_2 on Oct 7, 2009 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

Bianchi

is not a journalist. He’s the Rush Limbaugh of Florida sports writers, especially when it comes to bowden. He’ll say anything, twist any point, take any perspective as long as it serves his personal hatred of the man. I’m not Bowden’s greatest fan, but it’s impossible to take anything Bianchi writes seriously.

by humanbeing on Oct 8, 2009 5:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes I have read that

I’m frustrated at this point with the offense’s execution and lack of focus at critical times and yes fisher is better than jb. but with the said I expect better from the offense the what I am seeing….

by Bradzester on Oct 7, 2009 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

And you would agree that the offense is not the problem?

I am frustrated with the goal-line offense too. But I am afraid that Bowden is interfering with these calls.

by FSUSOM on Oct 7, 2009 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

Orlando Sentinel

I did read Carter’s piece but I think it would be more telling to compare Bowden’s first 3 years and Jimbo’s first 3 years.

by Nole_Fan_Til_I_Die on Oct 7, 2009 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

not sure about that

jeffy had an established talent pool to work with and a great reputation to ‘recruit’ on – Jimbo has neither of those, relatively speaking

by beachnole05 on Oct 7, 2009 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

Analysis

I think it will show FSU peaking in 2000 and then declining while 07 will be bottomed out and increasing.

I think.

I think these stats were selectively chosen to try and prove a point, not to add accurate information to the discussion

by Nole_Fan_Til_I_Die on Oct 7, 2009 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Which offense in the ACC would you prefer?

Fisher was offensive coordinator of year. Right now Ponder is on target to be FSU’s first 3000 yard passer in modern times. This team is averaging over 400 yards a game something no Fredo coached team will or ever aspire to.

This is being done with the support of half a coaching staff and a senile intransigent head coach who is really angling to to run Fisher off and bring in another of his failed sons into a position in football at FSU and install a defensive coordinator Chuck Amato who is framed by by one constant, insurrection everywhere he has coached lately.

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by DocHoliday2 on Oct 7, 2009 11:16 AM EDT reply actions  

Bradzester

Having another Bowden family member or paid spammer on the board talking nonsense is really tacky at this point and only solidifies the determination to have Bobby Bowden as far away from this program as possible.

Are you one of the grand kids or a work out of your home minimum wage type guy?

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by DocHoliday2 on Oct 7, 2009 11:20 AM EDT reply actions  

I don't think anyone has touched on this? Maybe So

How does Mangum still have a locker? If you go bcak a look at the tapes his play has been horrible and he really is hurting the D

by Bradzester on Oct 7, 2009 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Mickey has already stated that

Harley or Moody will start this game. His quote was “this is a tackling game (GT)”. I’d expect both to get tons of reps.

Also, Mangum is questionable with injured shoulder.

by FtLauderdaleNole on Oct 7, 2009 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

How

can you injure a shoulder without tackling anyone?

Is it from violently waving your arms like a windmill while chasing someone from behind?

by Pinto on Oct 7, 2009 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

that was

hilarious, in a sad kind of way. ‘this’ is a tackling game….unlike all those other games apparently where we didn’t really need tackling?

by humanbeing on Oct 8, 2009 5:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

So the black out guy received the Peter Tom Willis treatment?

Welcome to the Bowden dictorship where legitmate criticism is met by threats

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by DocHoliday2 on Oct 7, 2009 11:23 AM EDT reply actions  

bobby is a man of faith.

What faith, you ask? No clue. Certainly not the New Testament.

by The K-Man on Oct 7, 2009 12:37 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

seriously?

you’re going to try to turn this into a Christianity issue? What would Jesus do if he was the head coach of a football team and his team wasn’t winning any more? Sounds like a great South Park episode.

by humanbeing on Oct 8, 2009 5:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thank you for all the updates

I’ve very much enjoyed reading your website to keep abreast of all the breaking news as well as learn from your analysis.

I have a quick question though about Chuck Amato. You have referred to him several times as a team cancer. Is there somewhere I can go to read about why he deserves this description, or alternatively, would someone specifically state why this is so? As I don’t follow the program nearly so closely, the power struggle and other internal failures (e.g. recruiting) you have described came as news to me, though in context it makes perfect sense in explaining the Noles’ performance since 2001. Would you all say that the hiring of Mark Richt away to Georgia was the beginning of the end?

by Nashville on Oct 7, 2009 12:22 PM EDT reply actions  

We heard way too many stories in the last recruiting cycle that showed Chuck to be absolutely lazy on the recruiting front.

The mentor of one of our top targets (Lamarcus Joyner) once said on these very boards “y’all need to get Chuck away from here” speaking of South Florida in general.

His linebackers are not well coached.

There are too many rumors about him undermining Jimbo Fisher’s goals.

Chuck USED to be a great position coach here. But since he was handed the job 3 years ago he has done very little.

by MattDNole on Oct 8, 2009 8:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Bobby and the Alabama job opening years ago

Has even one ever heard the gist of that story, I think it was in the book written about him(one of them), I read that not too long ago and that was one of those things that really turned me off towards Bowden finally.

I know Alabama was his dream job, but I recall him turning the job down because he refused to interview for the job, he was pulling a Spurrier and expecting the job to be handed to him without having to interview, so he bailed on going there.

Then there was Ann Bowden’s comments about how FSU did him wrong by not throwing piles of money at him so he wouldn’t leave. I don’t know, that just showed to me that this selfishness goes back further than I thought.

by karmanole on Oct 7, 2009 1:07 PM EDT reply actions  

“That’s right, Florida State has a game this weekend. "

God I love this site.

by scotradamus on Oct 7, 2009 1:16 PM EDT reply actions  

Bud, you did a fantastic job writing this. Bravo.

I could not imagine how terrible this situation would be without TN.

and its free. Its like, wow, candy thats good for you too.

"I'm falling apart, I'm barely breathing, With a broken heart thats still beating, In the pain is the healing, in Your Name I find meaning, So I'm holdin' on.. holdin' on to you."

by FSUvaFan on Oct 7, 2009 1:44 PM EDT reply actions  

more like steak that lowers your cholesterol.

"I'm falling apart, I'm barely breathing, With a broken heart thats still beating, In the pain is the healing, in Your Name I find meaning, So I'm holdin' on.. holdin' on to you."

by FSUvaFan on Oct 7, 2009 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

A word of caution

I understand the level of anxiety regarding our team and coaching situation. However, some folks have very short memories. I have been attanding Seminole football games since 1978. There is only 1 constant during this time and that is Coach Bowden. Now we can discuss whether or not he needs to retire – probably so. But, how this is handled can be just as important. If the majority of the Seminole Nation decides to be fair weather friends and force Coach out unceremoniously, then I will not want to be a part of that group of folks. I will stop my booster membership and not renew my season tickets and I know I won’t be the only one. Please, everyone, find some way to allow Coach Bowden to leave with the dignity he deserves so we can all continue supporting a program with fans and alumni we can be proud of.

by ClassyNole on Oct 7, 2009 2:05 PM EDT reply actions  

How does it get more classy than just wearing a black shirt?

We’re not tearing the head off his statue. We’re not torching couches. We’re not threatening his family. What the hell is this??

by pillsburysoldier on Oct 7, 2009 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you notice several sections higher up there is someone threatening to tear down the statue.

by ClassyNole on Oct 7, 2009 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

NO NO pillsburysoldier has uncovered the great secret of BB from classynole!

The greatest secret of all— BB has superpowers that let him turn into that statue in front of UCD. Then during games he changes shape and coaches our team on the sidelines.
Then sometimes he changes form to watch practice.
And lately he has been getting lazy and stayed in statue form forgetting to adress our team before games.
Any comment about that statue would thus be a DIRECT threat to BB and the neo-apologists will make you pay.

by revival on Oct 7, 2009 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

the key is that Bowden leaves

which it does not appear he will do on his own. also, i’m calling your bluff on the booster/game tickets… i’m sure your memory will be as short as anyone’s once we are able to field a competent team and staff. that said, if you are serious I’ll gladly become a booster once Bobby is gone. I got to FSU in 2000 and have become more and more disenfrachised ever since. aside from varisy club, where i can drink, this would be the only thing this decade that would encourage me to pull out my wallet.

by beachnole05 on Oct 7, 2009 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow! All the way back to 2000!

by ClassyNole on Oct 7, 2009 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

my apologies

for not going to college when i was 8. so fan’s post 1980 are irrelevant? dick.

by beachnole05 on Oct 7, 2009 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, your views are relevant. What I am trying to say may be answered by this question “Could part of the reason for your going to FSU be due to the national prominence FSU had attained during the previous 20 years mainly due to Coach Bowden?”

by ClassyNole on Oct 7, 2009 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

more articulate than your first attempt

but, no, it did not – although i’m sure it did for many, many students. that doesn’t change the fact that bobby cannot leave with dignity because he will not leave willingly. upon his departure I will be more than happy give him the love and respect he deserves for building the program. but right now he deserves neither, rather the opposite.

by beachnole05 on Oct 7, 2009 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

You’re right. What I am trying to say is that it is fine to say “Okay Coach, your time is past and you need to retire”. Fine. But some folks in this stream of protest have gotten really ugly and that doesn’t pay respect to what Bowden has done for FSU. Nor does it show true class for the Seminole Nation when folks on the outside watch this and can’t wait to point out the problems we have. And yes I realize that some of these folks probably aren’t true Seminoles. We just need to show a little more class and not allow other programs to point to some of this ranting and raving as a reason to come to their program.

by ClassyNole on Oct 7, 2009 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Class?

How about the “class” that BB showed to the female reporter last night in his golf cart and yella-shades?
Oh ya, you got to FSU in 1851 so sexism is ok for you.

by revival on Oct 7, 2009 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t know where the 1851 came from. I said 1978. And I did not hear about the incident you mention. Nowhere in anything I said did I say we should have blind support for Coach Bowden. And I am fine with this type of dialogue. However, some of the talk is too much. I am the only Seminole in a large family of Bulldogs and some of this stuff is just what they want to hear!

by ClassyNole on Oct 7, 2009 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

"I did not hear about the incident you mention."

You can watch the video in this article. Its also available on the main page of the website.
What Can Seminole Fans Expect From Florida State Head Coach Bobby Bowden?
http://www.tomahawknation.com/2009/10/6/1072087/what-can-seminole-fans-expect-from

by revival on Oct 7, 2009 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

"..Bulldogs and some of this stuff is just what they want to hear!"

People already have plenty of ammunition to fling at our program which they have been doing for years. Do you really think that Urban Myer has become such good friends with BB that he wants him to stay as a result? That is why we need to put an end to the source of the ammunittion—-the HC.

by revival on Oct 7, 2009 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just saw the video and thanks for the link. I think there are some folks who are missing my point. I am not denying that we need a change nor debating that point. I am only afraid that some of the comments being made will be excellent fodder for other programs. I wish we could get done what needs to be done without tearing the fan base apart.

by ClassyNole on Oct 7, 2009 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

+1

i agree about the fodder, but don’t think it’s that big of a deal – think of all the crazy crap being thrown around on the ‘less informed’ blogs… unfortunately i don’t think what needs to get done will happen without constant pressure on the admin and visible protests to the status quo. the effects will most likely be negative, but winning heals all wounds.

by beachnole05 on Oct 7, 2009 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

fair enough
"Okay Coach, your time is past and you need to retire"
that’s almost verbatim what the blackout is intended to say, to bobby and the admin

i think you’re confusing disrespect with anger/sadness/frustration masked by sarcasm/other shennanigans. so excuse us for getting carried away at times, nobody actually intends go saddam on the bobby statue.

that said, i don’t think you’ll find people with more respect and love for FSU (and old bobby) than in TN, why else would we be paying such close attention to the program?

by beachnole05 on Oct 7, 2009 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Should we be as classy as Bowden?

Who forced Sandy to let him break University policy so his son could be the OC?

As classy as Bowden who blamed everyone but himself and Jeff for his resignation?

As classy as Bowden who refuses to acknowledge that Jimbo Fisher will take over as head coach?

As classy as Bowden who set up his staff to undermine Fisher?

Bobby Bowden has never embraced a dignified exit, because he refuses to embrace an exit.

by coonhound on Oct 7, 2009 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bad Omen? Even if Fisher gets HC powers....

If BB stays on, how is it going to be possible for Fisher to strap a rocket to CTC Amato and light it? Or make any other staff changes? He is going to have the Senile One looking at him in disgust for an entire year if he does so. Even with additional powers the presence of BB is powerful image of the dis-functional past. BB will still try to interject in decisions even though the power is taken away from him in title. His reputation in the past is going to put pressure on Fisher and the players to consider his ill-advised inputs. AND FISHER WILL GET BLAMED EVEN MORE THAN THIS YEAR FOR THINGS THAT GO WRONG BECAUSE BB IS STILL MESSING WITH THE STEW!!!!!

by revival on Oct 7, 2009 2:13 PM EDT reply actions  

Yes, so true.

"I'm falling apart, I'm barely breathing, With a broken heart thats still beating, In the pain is the healing, in Your Name I find meaning, So I'm holdin' on.. holdin' on to you."

by FSUvaFan on Oct 7, 2009 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you notice several sections higher up there is someone threatening to tear down the statue.

by ClassyNole on Oct 7, 2009 2:26 PM EDT reply actions  

Dire need of funds.

The athletics department is in dire need of funds due to budget cuts from the bad economy and the down turn in their main money cow—the football program. Thinks how much funds they can recover by auctioning off that statue and glass window. Why it could keep our program a float for the next century!!
—Don’t take everything so literally.

by revival on Oct 7, 2009 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Chuck Amato just needs to go away.

Does Bowden really think he is qualified to be a Defensive Coordinator in major college football? The man is a joke, and needs to be as far away from FSU as possible.

by fsunole23 on Oct 7, 2009 4:54 PM EDT reply actions  

Bobby thought Jeff was qualified to be an Offensive Coordinator in major college football.

That was several years ago and he’s lost some cognitive function via aging since then.
No amount of Ginkgo Biloba or Omega-3’s will make his judgement better than before Jeffie.

by The K-Man on Oct 8, 2009 2:38 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Sad way to end a great career

   This Gator is saddened by the situation with coach Bowden, though bitter rivals I consider coach Bowden a great man who won two national titles in a program that was 0-11 the year before he arrived and if not for several wide rights he probably would’ve added at least two more. Jim Smith’s comments should have been private and not all over the press, seems to be grandstanding by a washed up politician. I know you guys don’t want my opinion but I believe coach Bowden should be sent off with respect and dignity, coaches like Jimbo Fisher are a dime a dozen but legends like Bowden are very rare.

by gatorz59 on Oct 7, 2009 9:43 PM EDT reply actions  

Here's a question.

First of all, welcome to Tomahawk Nation. I lived with a Gator fan for two years so you guys (or girls) aren’t all bad.

Let’s say the role was reversed, and Spurrier stuck around instead of bolting for the Redskins. Let’s also say that Florida had the same record from 2001-2009 that the Noles had. Also, at that time let’s say the Noles won two titles and possibly a third.

Would you be so patient with Spurrier after EIGHT YEARS of subpar football?

"Your eyes can decieve you. Don't trust them." Obi-Wan Kenobi, the first sabermetrician...

by Curtain Jerker on Oct 7, 2009 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gator fans jettisoned Zook after 2.5 years of subpar football. Granted, he did not have Bowden’s track record, but their fans are in no position to point fingers.

Where does starting up a website calling for a coach’s firing before he even completes his first season fit into “respect and dignity”?

by 38Noles on Oct 8, 2009 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

What a complement!

Thanks gatorz59 for saying what some of these fans should already know. In their desperation to get back on top they are willing to throw Bobby under the bus. I hate what’s happening and, sadly, I don’t see a way to stop it. Bobby could retire tomorrow and many of these people would still be ridiculing him. Worse yet, they would show up at his retirement and clap their hypocritical hands in an attempt to celebrate all of his accomplishments. It’s a sad day. Thanks again. I appreciate your comments.

by JagNnole on Oct 7, 2009 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bobby threw FSU under the bus

Seriously, he sacrificed FSU to benefit his family and has held the ’Noles hostage for 8 years.

I’ll celebrate the man at his retirement for is first 20 years, not his last 8.

Any idea on how to stop Bobby from killing this program?

Any idea how to give back the football experiences for kids who chose the program and got a heaping pile of garbage?

by Bud Elliott on Oct 7, 2009 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

FSUncensored

I almost don’t know where to start. I would hate to go through life reading something evil into everything that happens. Is it time for a change…yes. Has Bobby made mistakes? Who hasn’t? But to think that Bobby is some kind of evil, egotistical, money-grabbing, narcissist is an extremely bad misevaluation and misrepresentation of the man. I appreciate the comments of our friendly rival gatorz59. There is a right way to go about this business than the way Smith went about it, and there is a right way to write about the man who has done so much for FSU and college football. We know we are not where we were 10 years ago. But do we really want to lower ourselves to the kind of action that fsuncensored has demonstrated? I know I won’t. I want the Noles back on top. But I’m not willing to trash Bobby to get there. I really got ticked off just reading a little of what this person wrote. It’s just bad taste.

by JagNnole on Oct 7, 2009 10:55 PM EDT reply actions  

His actions indicate what I wrote

Sorry if that ruins your fantasy vision of the man.

I never called him evil, but his actions are responsible for this program’s demise in my opinion. It’s been 8 years of mistakes and moves contrary to the interests of Florida State.

by Bud Elliott on Oct 7, 2009 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

How do you know that Jim Smith did not attempt to handle this “the right way” behind closed doors?

Your guess is as good as mine, but I’m inclined to believe he attempted to handle this with Bowden one on one, maybe even multiple times, and Bowden was too stubborn to listen. That would certainly line up with how I’ve viewed the program the last few seasons, it feels like we are voicing our concerns to a brick wall.

Some want to paint Jim Smith as some meddlesome booster but where is the evidence? Are we to believe he has that in his personality, but has waited all these years to show it? Nonsense. He wouldn’t have held his tongue for decades only to speak out now unless this was the only option.

by 38Noles on Oct 8, 2009 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

the Jim Smith "disrespectful manner" statement is a red herring used by Bowdenites.

Let’s ignore the hypocritical and self-serving actions of Saint Bobby for the past decade and focus on one statement by somebody who ‘gets it’.
Sorry. He brought this on himself. And TK deserves his fair share of shame.

by The K-Man on Oct 8, 2009 2:44 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

+1

very well and truly said.

by humanbeing on Oct 8, 2009 5:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

the +1

was for jagnole’s statement, btw.

by humanbeing on Oct 8, 2009 5:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

If you want to hold to the beliefs

That Bobby has not conducted himself in a deplorable manor for 8 years, then go for it. If you want to ignore the people who are around the program daily and have been during this time, then that’s fine. Fantasies are great, just don’t try to portray them as fact.

>>---l>

by DKfromVA on Oct 8, 2009 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Black out

Some of these “old people” would like to know what happened to the well-hyped “blackout”.

by ClassyNole on Oct 13, 2009 3:27 PM EDT reply actions  

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