T.K. WETHERELL STATEMENT:
Coach Bobby Bowden is a friend of mine, as a mentor and coach since my freshman year at FSU in 1963. His character and commitment to excellence has always been the signature of his career. Two years ago Coach Bowden and I and others stood together and announced that we were beginning a period of transition for the football program. That plan is in place and will produce results, given the opportunity and support.
I want to assure all fans, friends, supporters and alumni of Florida State University that that transition will be finalized. Jimbo Fisher will be Florida State University’s next Head Football Coach. We expect to work with Coach Fisher on a contract toward that end, and I will evaluate the program with the athletics director at the end of this season.
As educators we teach our students to always do the right thing, to do it the right way and to never give up. We teach them to always strive for excellence and to make good decisions with that end in mind. Our athletics programs are built on the foundation of helping young people build character and display that in their personal actions as well as on the fields of play. We also expect our teams to be competitive.
Our administration also is committed to those ideals. In intercollegiate athletics that means evaluating every coaching position at the end of the season. Any coach can choose to retire at any time. However, it is the athletics director’s responsibility to determine which coaches are hired and which contracts are extended.
I know all of our fans, friends, supporters and alumni will accord the coaching staff and our young student-athletes all the support, encouragement and respect they deserve. I will respect the process. FSU does not make coaching changes in the middle of the season. We are going to win games and build character. We ask our coaches and players to play out every play of evey game -- and never, never quit. To quit on a team or coaches in mid season is not the Seminole way -- not the "unconquered" way. What message would it send to anyone -- friend or foe -- to do that at this time?
Specifically, I also know that Bobby Bowden loves this university. I have talked with him at length, and I know that he will do the right thing, as he always has done. I know the man and I know what’s in his heart.
I have spoken with numerous fans, alumni, Boosters, supporters and staff, and I will make a final report to the full Board of Trustees at the end of the year. Until then, FSU will concentrate on supporting our team and student-athletes in winning as many games as possible. Neither the university nor I will have further comment on this matter until then.
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It is not about who is friend of mine
T.K. you and Bobby are not friends of mine. You are supposed to be running one of the priemiere football programs in the nation not presiding over some clown act coup.
Playstation All American, right again!
TomahawkNation
Better to bear the rebuke of the wise than to hear the song of fools
This is a victory for Bowden
He gets two months to consolidate his position and undermine Jimbo. Every loss now will become Jimbo’s fault.
This is a devastating blow to our recruiting and we could very well lose most or even all of our remaining games.
It’s going to be an ugly fall.
Fsued, you know I love FSU as much as you do and we are from the same generation.
I have not once wished we would lose, I still do not, and I will never. However what you or me wish for does not really mean jack as to the outcome of a game.
My point?
Let the chips fall where they may and if we lose out, if our 27 bowl streak comes to an end, if we have a losing season for the first time since 1976, well so be it.
The most disturbing part of all is that the Gators will probably have the new bowl record in about 9 years.
As far as all the rest, I am just very tired of all the drama. But I will still be in front of my TV every Sat like the idiot I am hoping for a win.
Makes sense?
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I"m with you FrankDNole
No matter how bad it gets, I still love FSU and can never wish for anything more than a WIN! I wil be sitting and watching and cheering as I always do.
by UnstopaNole99! on Oct 7, 2009 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions
I have no doubt he will never, I was basically agreeing and telling him what a crappy catch 22 situation we are in.
Let the chips fall where they may.
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I'm going to write at length on this today
I appreciate your comments Frank.
Which seriously pisses me off
I’m sick of two old men that most likely won’t even be here in January 2010 making decisions and statements that screw up our future.
Well,
I certainly hope this blackout is big and complemented by many empty seats, because they clearly don’t get it.
Is there a way we can make the environment so unpleasant for Amato and Bowden that they simply leave on their own accord?
I mean…If they can do it to the rest of the staff, why can’t we to them?
by pillsburysoldier on Oct 7, 2009 10:36 AM EDT reply actions
....because it's low-class, base, and mean-spirited.....=/
by pillsburysoldier on Oct 7, 2009 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions
BUT SCREW THAT! LOOK AT WHAT THAT POS JUST PULLED
I’m talking to myself because this is really upsetting
by pillsburysoldier on Oct 7, 2009 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Whatever we do, we need to act with class
Like what? Should we throw stuff at Bowden and Amato? Should we hang posters that say “F*** Bowden and Amato!” Anti-Bobby rallies? I don’t think that you personally mean these things but this talk always leads to some moron doing something stupid.
Everyone is watching us and we don’t need to get into some sort of sophomoric name calling, toilet papering, bad posters at the game type of B.S. The blackout is enough. If we go on national TV attacking Bowden and Co., do you think that will help out FSU in the long run? No. It will make us look no better than Gainesville or Miami.
Remember, it’s college football and we are fans. It’s not life or death. Please be patient, things are changing. Really changing. This just has to play itself out.
GoNoles!
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by GonzoNole on Oct 7, 2009 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Very weak statement
We need to take action into our own hands. Wetherell is a Bobby Bowden puppet and he and Spertman have Bobby’s hand all the way up their arse
I wish he had of said that.
What a joke it would be for them to shaft BB and make this last 7 games more uncomfortable? How many of you picketed and boycotted banks in the last year? How many of you or your parents were TRULY robbed by corporate america. BB has been compared to a CEO of a company… ok, his crimes are miniscule compared to those buffoons. Bobby deserves the respect of the fan base. I will say it, shout it, and support it until long after he is gone. I feel pretty good about that to… LOYALTY.
You get the point... literal DKfromVA
This is being taken to a level of silly. But in the end… Black shirts or Black ties… what will be will be… that will have minimal effect. muah!
Whats with the constant homo refernces?
muah? Ya wanna kiss? Yesterday you were on here callin’ people sweety.
You seen one up close there haven’t ya, wolfy?
Wolffbird, looks like we found a slogan for next year:
Seminole Football: Not As Bad As Derivative Bundling Fraud.
by The K-Man on Oct 7, 2009 11:02 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Why should we give a shit if Bowden is a friend of Wetherell??
If thats the case they can both leave now and enage in all the man love they want but do not take the program and all its supporters down with them
yeah, good strategy to open your statement with a bold declaration of an existing conflict of interest.
TK is the best redneck douchebag crony president in FSU history.
by The K-Man on Oct 7, 2009 11:50 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
What I fail to understand
Is that the Board of Trustees clearly wants a public announcement for this to be Bobby Bowden’s last year. How did we go from such a strong statement from what is essentially TK’s bosses on Monday to this steaming pile?!?
Do you mean in the Board of Trustees?
Cause I agree with Uncensored that Jim Smith surely “took the temperature” of the rest of the board. Plus he has said that 95% of the feedback he has gotten about his statement has been positive.
If the Board of Trustees wants Bobby out this year (which they appear to want), why are we seeing this nonsense?
There are rules set in place and it is frowned upon
I read it in an article yesterday that the Board of Trustees is to seperate themselves from collegiate athletics as much as possible.
Put Bobby to Bed
Last few paragraphs
They're supposed to stay out of sports.
But this ins’t just about sports. This is money, politics, this is a damn made-for-TV drama, with the reputation of our university at stake.
No- I am satisfied that the BOT is ready to move on
But there are probably several large donors who are ready to pull the plug without some type of compromise. So, they ride the fence and will probably just infuriate both sides further.
Just a guess.
Read yesterday's USA Today
and I am sure it is in many other outlets… The Board of Trustees are instructed to stay out of these matters. It is the President of the University an the AD’s job. Emily Flemin Duda said The Association of Governing Boards for Universities advises against any statements like this. I know… another shill for Bowden. Bt I think if Smith had of gave an endorsement of BB that hounds would howl how he is wrong for doing so.
Wetherell does not give a shit
He has already announced his departure and is now a lameduck and as such like any lame duck he does not have to be accountable to anyone. The board of trustees should fire his ass now and then hire a new president with his first task to be firing Bobby Bowden
Good point.
Further lack of accountability all the way up the chain. Makes me want to pull my hair out.
I disagree about the immediate firing of TK. We need to take our time with the presidential search and find the person who is 100% right for the job. Hasty actions could lead to even worse problems on that front.
When is that article coming out again?
I have six locks on my door all in a row. When I go out, I only lock every other one. I figure no matter how long somebody stands there picking the locks, they are always locking three.
Elayne Boosler
How dare you
throw the site under the bus like that?
Site – execute, and I know you will, I know you will…..
What were we talking about again?
And TK just proved
he’s still Bowden’s biznitch!!
He bleeds Garnet and Gold, She bleeds Crimson and White. AND THEY BOTH HATE ORANGE! GO NOLES!! ROLL TIDE!!
by gonolesrolltide on Oct 7, 2009 10:46 AM EDT reply actions
A lame duck president is not accountable
Even U. S. Presidents wait until they are lameducks before they do all the things that they could’nt do when then needed to run for re-election.
Remember the Clinton pardon of fugitive Mark Rich?
Well this is essentially Wetherell granting a pardon to Bobby Bowden.
And in this case, the BOT is powerless
They won’t fire an ailing President and they have no direct oversight of Spetman or Bowden or anyone other than the President.
So, all they can do is what Smith did: affect public pressure.
Yeah, this is my only concern
But who signs the contracts on behalf of the University? Spetman or TK? If it’s TK he might try to issue a final F-U to the University, but I don’t think the Board will allow that after Smith’s comment.
Looks like it's Spetman.
If he wants to keep his job post-TK he won’t be giving BB a new contract.
I'm actually ok with this.
I know everyone wants heads to roll now, but I don’t think firing everyone and trying to hire new coaches in the middle of the season is the right decision.
Look, Bowden has been put on notice and has seen the hand writing on the wall. He may have had his delusions before, but he now knows that he is done after this season. His contract will not be renewed – which is exactly why FSU only gave him a one year contract.
by FSUjab on Oct 7, 2009 10:51 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
I don't think people want heads to roll NOW....
We just want an official announcement that Bobby will NOT be head coach next year and that Jimbo WILL be.
by MKE Nole on Oct 7, 2009 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
What did you expect from TK?
I’m actually just glad he didn’t include any curse words or some other stupidity…
Didn't realize this was up, so I posted in the wrong place
At least TK put this in the statement
However, it is the athletics director’s responsibility to determine which coaches are hired and which contracts are extended.
Making that statement, at least in theory, says the Adminstration has final decisiion as to what coaches are hired/promoted and fired…NOT BOBBY!
Lets just see if that holds true!
Maybe there's some behind the scenes
moves in the works. YOU CAN’T JUST PUBLICLY REMOVE BOWDEN. You think maybe there is an agreement for him to reitre at the end of the season? Maybe this statement is the only way for Bowden to leave with a shred of his dignity in place. I hope for the program and the Bowdens’ sake, that is the case.
by Cane Ressurection on Oct 7, 2009 10:55 AM EDT reply actions
All of this is possible.
And we’re just internet folks posting from emotion. But the statement was not pro-Jimbo.
As an outsider looking in,
That’s what it appears to be to me. T.K. has a very fine balancing act to pull off. On one hand there is the football program, which is in need of changes. On the other, there is Bowden, a true legend and icon in college football. They have to find a way to do what’s best for the future without shitting on the past. Personally, I’d hate to be in T.K.’s shoes.
by Cane Ressurection on Oct 7, 2009 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
The problem for us is...
…the track record here. Put something in the statement for us, T.K. I’m a pretty reasonable guy, and I’m on board with your thoughts, but this wasn’t a good balancing act in my opinion.
COME ON PEOPLE - WHAT DID YOU EXPECT HIM TO SAY????
Come on people… what did you really expect TK to say “Coach Bowden will be retiring at the end of this year and pursuing new opportunities”??? That message would have resulted in media headlines which simply said:
“FSU throws Bowden out on the street”
That would be a public relations nightmare, and our school would take the beating, not Bowden, who would be cast as the victim.
I read TK’s statement as saying “We’re going to handle this behind closed doors… but everyone calm down because change is in motion and the transition plan is proceeding”. He’s saying we’re going to handle this with some class and try and preserve some dignity for all involved, including the coach who has built out program.
I’m starting to believe that some fans really don’t want what’s best for the school and for our program… and are just more concerned about creating drama with juvenile stunts like the Blackout.
by oldtownnole on Oct 7, 2009 10:56 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
What's best for the program is for Bowden to leave. Period.
We will do whatever, and I do mean whatever, it takes to help prompt that change.
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Bobby has done a lot of that on his own
The school’s reputation will not be touched by a blackout or boycott
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Bowden has a lot of support nationally
And it does nobody any good to make this a huge nasty public fight. I don’t think the blackout is bad, but you know the nasty signage and boo-birds are going to be coming out. And that is where the anti-Bobby forces are going to piss off a lot of people who might otherwise be coming over.
ALSO! Keep in mind that all the Pro-Bobby forces are going to Anti-Jimbo forces if this gets nasty.
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p.s. Yes, I know the national support doesn't know the facts
And that he should have gone before now. However, even people who agree that he should go don’t want to see him treated with disrespect. If we tar and feather him nationally, it WILL hurt FSU and not just the football program.
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Kanye West was right when he said
Bobby Bowden doesn’t care about FSU
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by FrankDNole on Oct 7, 2009 10:58 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I found this line interesting
Specifically, I also know that Bobby Bowden loves this university.
Interesting that TK would feel compelled to make that statement.
Really?
Have you been reading these posts? Some people are getting a little too vicious. Attacking him is one thing, but to go after his wife?
by Cane Ressurection on Oct 7, 2009 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Public figures are fair game and she became a public figure when she said Bobby was being betrayed.
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by FrankDNole on Oct 7, 2009 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I understand your shock and confusion
but seriously you have to understand that all the damage done to this football program has been because of Bobby Bowden’s nepotism and buddy system hiring practices. Much of this could have been avoided if he continued to go out and find the best and most qualified people for the job. He got arrogant and started making decisions in the best interest of himself, not the university. It wasn’t a slip of the tongue when he said “What do I have to gain by resigning now”. He is about himself. Not FSU.
Jim Smith for next FSU president to replace T.K. Worthless
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by FrankDNole on Oct 7, 2009 10:59 AM EDT reply actions 3 recs
Perhaps we can install him as an interim, have him do the dirty work with Bowden, and hire a new president to start fresh.
Smith obviously doesn’t have a problem standing up to Bobby, while TK clearly does, and I would never expect a new president to fire the university’s most famous figure on his first day.
"I know that he will do the right thing, as he always has done."
I think this statement says it all. Basically, he’s gracefully saying that Bobby is finished after this year (short of winning out, including beating UF, winning ACCCG, and winning BCS bowl). This is their way of saving face for everyone. Jimbo is being given control and can now tell recruits what the deal is with full confidence. At least, I’m hoping this is what it all means …
by Frieds2222 on Oct 7, 2009 11:03 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
i dont take it that way
I found nothing in that statement that says Bobby is done after this season.
They aren't going to say Bobby is done after this season publicly.
FSU wants the bad publicity of throwing the legend out the door to go away now. Then, after the season (or before the bowl game, if there is one), HE will announce his retirement. All will be well in the world. The result is the same, but just treating Bobby with respect. I believe the decision has been made. The negative with recruiting that remains is that we’re clearly short-handed with so many lame ducks. But, at least Jimbo can tell recruits what is happening. Again, I hope that’s what this says, but only time will tell.
They aren't going to say Bobby is done after this season publicly.
FSU wants the bad publicity of throwing the legend out the door to go away now. Then, after the season (or before the bowl game, if there is one), HE will announce his retirement. All will be well in the world. The result is the same, but just treating Bobby with respect. I believe the decision has been made. The negative with recruiting that remains is that we’re clearly short-handed with so many lame ducks. But, at least Jimbo can tell recruits what is happening. Again, I hope that’s what this says, but only time will tell.
Be classy but
Make a damn decision. These people get paid to make important decisions. This uncertainty is going to just hurt the future more. (recruting)
Again, it would be tempting to put some hope in takeaways like this...
…if not for the track record. That’s not enough.
by TRMNole on Oct 7, 2009 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Nope, all wrong
That statement in itself: “I know that he will do the right thing, as he always has done.” its a great big ball of LIE. Had that been the case we wouldn’t be calling for his head currently and we never would have began our downward spiral in 2001.
Bowden will spend all next year on a farewell tour
He’ll be there, walking the sidelines and getting in the way. Jimbo will be there, short a coach (because Bobby takes up a spot) trying to ignore advice, like, “Let’s run another reverse!” Chuck Amato will be in a bath house in Italy. Mickey will be hunting and hopefully enjoying a peaceful retirement. Odell will be coaching somewhere, but not in Tallahassee. Dexter Carter will have started his own recruiting website. Jody Allen will be sitting in the basement of the Moore Athletic Center looking for a red stapler.
I don’t think it will be perfect, but I’m not sure I would mind this scenario. Sure, Bobby is in the way, but after all this, if he takes a benign but positive step and embraces his retirement and his legacy at FSU, I will support him again.
Do you think he will burn it down also.
Jody Allen will be sitting in the basement of the Moore Athletic Center looking for a red stapler.
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Jodey Allen isn't as smart as Milton
So no. I don’t see that happening.
espn right now
they talked to someone close to bowden. quoted “he will not coach in 2010 if they do not recover from 2-3 start”
Please, let's not recover then
hate to say it but sometimes you have to take the pain now to move forward.
Hate to say this too:
But this is a bad football team with a brutal schedule. It’s not even about recovery.
I guess BB must honestly think we have a chance to be .500 this year
He truly has lost his grip on reality
Put Bobby to Bed
You'll finish .500
You’ll be bowl eligible. No doubt about that. I’ve seen what a losing team looks like, and this isn’t one. Granted, you don’t have to be good to be a winning team in college football.
by Cane Ressurection on Oct 7, 2009 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Have you watched our Defense?
Boston College had a field day with us. They might have the worst offense in the ACC.
Just so you know:
We’re not idiots, Cane. This is a losing football team, and you’re missing a great chance to see one, as I suspect you’re not paying as much attention as you’re leading on. We will be extremely lucky to make .500, and that is not “turning it around” to our fickle fanbase, Bowdenite or otherwise.
you're definately taking a step back,
and maybe I just can’t fathom a losing season for FSU. I still don’t see y’all finishing with a losing record. Ponder should get y’all some wins. You have the horses, just have to get them motivated.
Defense could be improved a bit. Common sense has to kick in eventually. If you keep giving up the big play, keep a couple db’s deep to take away the big play. You’re not giving up long, sustained drives, just the big play. I hope your wrong.
by Cane Ressurection on Oct 7, 2009 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Defense could be improved a bit. Common sense has to kick in eventually. If you keep giving up the big play, keep a couple db’s deep to take away the big play. You’re not giving up long, sustained drives, just the big play. I hope your wrong.
I would agree with this if it wasn’t just a 1 year problem. This type of defense has been going on for a few years now. I hope you’re right and that FSU is a .500 team but I highly doubt it.
The only way we win games this year
Is if we win the Turnover battle. I am stil fairly confident in our offense.
If other offenses are careless or make bad decisions, we are definitely capable of beating good teams (GT, Clemson)
At the same token, if teams play smart and mistake free, we are certainly capable of losing to bad teams (Maryland).
At this point, we just need to hope that our opponent’s offenses just aren’t clicking.
Zach_Nole's strategy to win games
Hope our opponents shit the bed when they play us
BRILLIANT!
Put Bobby to Bed
It's certainly accurate.
BYU shit the bed against us. They torched our D, but shit the bed with 5 turnovers. If that turnover margin was zero, we likely lose or just squeak by.
by The K-Man on Oct 7, 2009 2:15 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
we have to go 4-3 to get to .500
hmm… I’ll say this. If we beat gt then we have a chance. But if we lose then it over.
UF, Clemson Defense in death valley, UNC on the road on Thurs are too tough.
Throw in Wake’s offense on the road ….
Our best chances are NC St and Maryland…
Otw, am i really trying to prove how we can become a .500 team…. Thanks Bobby for letting it come down to this.
by noles 4 life u dig? on Oct 7, 2009 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
if your referring to ESPN
it was first take, i believe pat forde was reporting. he said that he talked to a close friend of bowden, and they said that Bowden was planning on coaching in 2010, they only way he wouldn’t is not recovering from the 2-3 start
it was Mark Slaybaw
I spelled his name the way its pronounced because I didn’t want to take a stab at spelling it and be wrong lol
TK Just Threw Water on a Grease Fire
These statements are deplorable.
He has very clearly ignored the actions of the past decade.
Until I see an absolute expiration date with Bobby Bowden’s signature on it, I will continue to fit this administration.
A promise is only as good as its contract
Will any mainstream media outlets
even be interested in reporting the Inner Power struggle with Amato? It is a GIANT piece of this story.
Also, why can’t people ask Bobby very direct questions like:
Do you support Jimbo being the next Head Coach at FSU?
Do you support Chuck Amato being named Defensive Coordinator if Mickey is to retire?
Why can’t anyone in the media ask him these very direct questions???
Not the point
He needs to be asked DIRECTLY. You can’t easily skirt direct questions. If he does, atleast it will make him look worse than he already does.
RECRUITING
is really all I give a damn about right now. This sucks.
by Fire Machine on Oct 7, 2009 12:05 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Very disappointed in TK, Very happy with the comments I read here
I was a bit afraid that this morning’s article meant Uncensored and the rest of TN would be ok with Bowden returning next season in some more limited capacity. These comments tell me that is not the case.
Full steam ahead with blackouts, boycotts, whatever it takes. Do not let them off the hook with this wishy washy statement or we will look back a year from now and wish we had seized the momentum and forced him out.
here's a another take to ponder
I agree with the rest – I would have preferred a definitive statement. I pose this as a possible explanation:
They know FSU is going to get killed by ESPN et al, especially if a definitive statement is made mid season. What if the plan is that this IS the last season but to deal with this after the season in order to limit the negative press.
This is just pure speculation on my part – what do you think?
You honestly think Bowden would just go away without taking his victory lap?
His ego will not allow it. Most likely, Jimbo will get a deal with exclusive control over staffing and coaching decisions and Bowden will get to stick around for one more season with the head coach title. Until that’s announced, recruits will continue to bail, speculation will continue to run rampant, and nothing will change.
"The other day I... uh, no, that wasn't me." - Steven Wright
Do you really think if Jimbo is in charge of everything...
hires a bunch of new coaches next year, Amato’s gone, and the vibe is all good, that it matters to recruits if Bobby stays around one more year? Honestly, because while I hope he’s out at the end of this season, I don’t think a victory lap would really hurt anything if Jimbo truly has the contract and the power.
Do you really think
bobby just sits on the sideline and does nothing?
Seriously?
by PBD on Oct 7, 2009 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions
And I mean next season
You can argue that’s what he does now…..
But he’s going to be as big a nuisance next season, contract for Jimbo or no.
by PBD on Oct 7, 2009 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Do, I was simply talking about the effect on recruits.
I want him gone, at the end of this year, period. But I was replying to the effect it would have on recruiting. And the victory tour- if he had no power next year- would get us a lot of positive press and not hurt recruiting IMO.
I did just read that Bowden hates Jimbo, which I haven’t heard anyone say up to this point, and obviously if this is truly the case then this victory lap theory should be killed.
Bobby Bowden does not do victory laps!
He ruthlessly and desperately clings to every shred of power he can. If he gets his way, Jimbo Fisher will be paid off and sent packing with God knows who (Terry Bowden? ick) taking over as “Head Coach in Waiting.”
As long as he is in the athletic department where he can throw his weight around, Bowden is a threat.
At this point, I wouldn't trust Bowden to take tickets at Gate C.
All I’m saying is somebody had better have the job of making sure a headset doesn’t come within 25 feet of the man if my scenario comes to pass.
"The other day I... uh, no, that wasn't me." - Steven Wright
what purpose does it serve to have BB running up and down the sidelines like a gelding?
by OGN on Oct 7, 2009 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Of course. I agree that that is the true intention of this statement.
People on here asking for Bowden to be fired now are delusional, and people asking for FSU to declare Bobby will be fired at the end of the year are just as crazy. Neither are going to happen, for a million obvious reasons.
Which is frustrating to those of us (the majority I believe) who believe we need him to step down after this year and want a definitive date. We want to believe it’s going to happen, but how do we know for sure?
If TK and the AD are not going to commit to a time line for Bobby, I understand the numerous reason why. I really do. But if their intentions are to appease us and do what’s best for the future of the program, all while letting him step down gracefully at the end of the year, then what we need them to say is simply that Jimbo will be in charge of all personal decisions regarding the football team, starting at the end of the year and that they’re finalizing his HC contract. They’ve already said the latter, so just tell me Jimbo is in charge after this season. I would be good with that.
Is that when
We move Bobby’s office to teh basement?
And fix the glitch?
by PBD on Oct 7, 2009 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions
They're not going to announce that until Jimbo's contract is done
Gives up all negotiating leverage if they commit to something in public before agreements are signed. Remember, lawyers are involved in lots of this behind the scenes.
That said, TK was clearly sending us a message that Bobby does not decide about coaching and contract extensions… FSU does.
To clarify, you're saying "they're not going to say Jimbo is in charge after this season?"
Because I wasn’t really saying they would announce his contract is “done.” Just that they’re finalizing it- making it sound as close to a sure thing that it would get done as possible. But maybe you’re inferring that by saying he’s in charge, that’s insinuating his contract is “done.” To which I would counter that they just need to infer that they’re working on a contract that would put him in complete control at the end of this year.
Please just
wake me up when this nighmare is over! Can’t anyone make at the university freaking decision? Nope.. guess not. Tthat’s why we’ve had to put up with a decade of crap football.
carp should say
Can’t anyone at the university make a freaking decision?
I like the statement for now
FSU got their shot in with smith, now they take things back behind the curtain. If Bowden chooses to play around in the media, he looks childish.
But I am not yet satisfied and think there will be more to come.
In any event, we will be better off with this than we would be with Bowden having his current level of control in 2010.
by Bud Elliott on Oct 7, 2009 12:54 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
We both know what goes on behind the curtain at FSU. Bowden throws his weight around and Wetherell, Hart, Spetman, Whoever buckles.
I think right now our position has to be Bowden out at the end of the year. We can’t show a single shred of acquiescence or they will take it as an invitation to keep him around indefinitely.
2010 will roll around and Bowden will have his sons passing the hat around for Jimbo’s buy out once again. Bowden will see this as another victory for him.
The difference is Smith
This guy is a smart and savvy guy – and arguably the person with the most power of all at FSU (he’s TK’s boss).
The Trustees are working behind the curtain. Donations are way down (recession + poor football).
Bowden announces at the end of this season that 2010 will be the last. FSU annouced Jimbo has official control and hire/fire responsibilities during 2010 as a part of the transition, with Bobby has his “mentor”.
I don't expect him back
their offer is firm.
I am told that Bobby hates Jimbo, absolutely resents him, and would not mentor him. Nor does he have much to offer him at this point. Most of his methods are archaic. Bowden’s continued employment is in no way a positive.
Sure as hell hope you're right
That’s what we want to hear, but what we fear is Bobby staying for the final year.
For him to aquiesce to no grand tour would be really surprising.
And I think the more that time passes, big boosters will give in and accept as well. Time could bring a lot of perspective to this and let Bobby endear himself back to the boosters to allow a final tour.
"I got a PBS mind in an MTV world"...Jimmy Buffett
by The Ryno and I Know on Oct 7, 2009 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions
It's just not strong enough, Bud.
I love you man, but (from your second paragraph) I’m also not satisfied, and how sure are you that there will be more to come? Will it depend on Bowden opening his mouth? He’s no dummy. I know it’s all coordinated (his mouth, relatives, overrated coaches at major universities in Texas). This may have blindsided him (my toughest pill to swallow), but it’s not like he didn’t have the action plan ready. And by strong, all I wanted was a little more pro-Jimbo. A little more future and a lot less Bobby. I’m failing to see the balance in the statement that some see. And HOW does T.K. dare open the statement, “Coach Bobby Bowden is a friend of mine?” That’s an intentional slap in the face. Could any of us imagine this situation if we simply had a leader?
Off topic question.......
is Amato married to a Bowden daughter or something?
by nole2112 on Oct 7, 2009 12:59 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Im Sorry
but to me this is a gutless move on T.K.’s part…. fsu needed to come out and make a stand to announce whether or not jimbo fisher will in fact gain more power at the end of this season…. now with this air of uncertainty fsu will have a hard time recruiting… really and truly the main concern is still having too many “head coaches” in the locker room… Jimbo needs to have more authority or else certain coaches are just going to cause more problems…. i personally wouldnt blame him if he took his 5 million in another year and left fsu high and dry
by officelinebacker on Oct 7, 2009 1:00 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
The choice to leave FSU becomes more attractive for Jimbo every day. Another year of Bowden makes the chance he bolts on us much higher.
Some people seem to think this will be easier in 2010 – it will not be! Imagine if we have a good season, 9 wins or so. We won’t have any of the momentum we have now and Bowden will dig his heels in once again!
Jimbo won't leave because he has a buyout also (of course another school could pay it)
but also I think he wants to see how far he can take Ponder. I believe he wants to develop him all the way to the NFL because he cares for him, and the team also, but mainly Ponder because he is his pet project.
>-----:----:------>Spear 'em then Scalp 'em
This is gonna turn out real bad for Jimbo,
the loyal bowden fans are going to turn on him and its gonna get ugly. I hear idiots already saying how this is all his fault. Even if he ever gets to be the head coach, they are going to be so critical on him that unless he wins an ACCCG immediately, he is going to start hearing the wrath. this sucks.
by noles 4 life u dig? on Oct 7, 2009 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Key word WIN!!!
If we are winning this all goes away and if Jimbo wins it will not be a problem either. If Jimbo is not winning in the future he will need to go too! Granted he needs time to have full control before we make any judgements, but he should be rolling by year three
by UnstopaNole99! on Oct 7, 2009 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Looks like the PR machine is cranked up.
When not trying to attack up and coming coaches, Chuck supports breast cancer awareness…
I have six locks on my door all in a row. When I go out, I only lock every other one. I figure no matter how long somebody stands there picking the locks, they are always locking three.
Elayne Boosler
by NaGaNole on Oct 7, 2009 1:07 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
To hell with TK and To hell with BB.
Yes BB did a ton and put FSU on the map. FSU will be ok in 5 years. I will still be a fan of both but I will also be wearing Black every Thur and Sat on gameday tell Bobby is out. If we lose recruits S#$T happens. You win some you lose some the rest get rained out. All we can so is support our team and try our hardest to make it throw this season. This feels like the war overseas I want my brothers at arm home just like I want BB out as HC. There will come a time that it will happen but untel then I will pray for both and hope for the best. It could be worst and things might just go down hill more but there will be a new light soon and good things come to those who wait.
Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry
by Desman on Oct 7, 2009 1:23 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I think bobby dont like how aggressive jimbo is and his will to win and demand to force perfection instead of waiting for that 1 player to come along like bobby thinks will change the program
Certainly came off as extremely naive yesterday.
I thought it was a joke. Guy WORKS for FSU and met with Bowden.
To Kool-Aid (no idea why I keep calling you that - too many K's and dashes) - KidG&G:
No reflection on you. Thought you handled the situation well regarding the circumstances. Lesson learned.
You see what happened with FSU44 earlier trying to snuff out the +1'ing.
Those cease and desist orders never work.
Bowden's comments on TK's statement
You see what Bowden said at today’s ACC teleconference?
Q: Did you see TK’s statement?
Bowden: Yes, and I appreciate his support. He is wise and I am thankful.
Q: Are things where you want them to be?
Bowden: I believe they are. Same old story, when the season is over I will let them know if I want to come back.
That doesn’t sound good, sounds like he got the support he needed to stick around.
at first I was against the Black Out; but these recent events and ACC teleconference are making me contemplate which shirt I will be wearing Saturday.
Someone please explain to me how this proposed setup won't be as dysfunctional as it currently is?
Where is the accountability of having one true leader??
From Democrat:
It appears Bobby Bowden will have the option to coach at Florida State through the 2010 football season. But that does not mean changes are not coming.
The future of FSU’s football program was discussed during a two-and-a-half hour meeting Tuesday night that was attended, according to multiple sources, by no fewer than two university trustees, FSU President T.K. Wetherell, director of athletics Randy Spetman, Seminole Boosters president Andy Miller and other stakeholders in the program.
Sources said the university will continue to work on a head coaching contract for Jimbo Fisher that will grant him the authority to begin assembling his coaching staff at the end of this season. That means Fisher would be allowed to hire a replacement for long-time defensive coordinator Mickey Andrews, who has indicated that this will be his final season. Fisher may also make other changes.
Sources said Wetherell will discuss the university’s plan with Bowden today. Bowden has been coaching since the 2008 season under one-year contracts, and he apparently will be given the option to coach the 2010 season under similar terms. FSU’s contract with Fisher, who was named the head-coach-in-waiting in December, 2007, calls for Fisher to be paid $5 million if he is not named head coach by January, 2011.
by FtLauderdaleNole on Oct 7, 2009 1:51 PM EDT reply actions
Maybe putting Jimbo in complete control will make Bobby want to retire at the end of this season?
Chances of that? Either way, I’m happy to hear the part about
the university will continue to work on a head coaching contract for Jimbo Fisher that will grant him the authority to begin assembling his coaching staff at the end of this season
I think he would retire
But he would cry and scream about it. In his mind Bowden still thinks he can coach, and he knows the team is full of sophomores so next year can be a major turn around. He really does not want to leave after the worse season in 30 years only to have the team make a run at the ACC title next year. His ego will not let him handle having no power or friends on the team, or going 5-7 his final year only to watch Jimbo and co win 10 or 11 games the follow year. In his mind I believe the only option is to dig in and hope his buddies can bail him out.
by osceolafan850 on Oct 7, 2009 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions
You wouldn’t have the sniping like you do now. You’d have a more cohesive group of coaches all working towards the same goal. Yes, you would have the head coach on the outside looking in but the on the field product should be better.
The more I think about it the less it bothers me (although I don’t like it because Bobby could make life for these coaches miserable) because it would give the coaches Jimbo hires a head start on recruiting. This could help Jimbo hit the ground running on both offense and defense as a head coach. I think the negatives out weigh the positives though.
Blackout FB group
what happened to the picture this time?
TK should fire himself for turning FSU into a banana republic
Bowden was allowed to break all the rules (nepotism, cronyism, no accountability). Administration let him get away with this for too long and they’ve created a monster. TK should grow a sac and do what’s in the best interest of the program for once.
Does anyone else know a job where you get 2.3M to “not” do your job and then do your own annual review and decide whether or not you should stay employed for the next year?
Why would Bowden want to come back?
It looks like he would be nothing more than a mascot on the sideline? Would he give the post game interview? I can’t imagine someone with as much blind pride as him would want to walk around castrated on the sideline.
Jimbo 2010
I just got an e-mail from TK Wetherell
that said I was doing a great job and thanked me. Does that mean I am old and doing a poor job?
www.fsufishing.com
you ok or you work there
and by UCC do you mean urgent care clinic or something else.
Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry
The Ayatollah Ali Khamenei has spoken . . .
Go back to your house, little people. This is none of your business.
by Dunder Mifflin Employees on Oct 7, 2009 2:13 PM EDT reply actions
I like Jimbo but, imagine hiring awat Charlie Strong form FU
Could you imagine the coup we could pull off by hiring Charlie Strong, the def coordinator for the Gaytors as our Head Coach.
He is a kick-ass recruiter and you have to love his defense at FU
Great Idea
But why stop there, lets go after Meyer and Carroll.
Think before you speak
Put Bobby to Bed
Don't have enough money
We would have to pay Bobby to leave, pay Jimbo 5 mil to leave and then pay Strong all the money he would ask for. We could be looking at around 10 mil easy.
by osceolafan850 on Oct 7, 2009 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions
What is Strong's record as a head coach?
What kind of offense would he install? If he is that good why hasn’t somebody else hired him?
Playstation All American, right again!
TomahawkNation
Better to bear the rebuke of the wise than to hear the song of fools
Strong is 0-1, lost to Miami in the 2004 Peach Bowl
He served as interim head coach for the bowl game after Zook’s lame-duck season.
Why hasn’t he been hired? Some media say race. I don’t think you could substantiate that claim, though.
Maybe I'm naive
I’m fine with the statement too. I believe for BB’s sake there has to be some manner of saving face and making it look as though it is his decision to leave the University and that there is an unwritten agreement that he will step down at season’s end or maybe he’ll announce it before then – say the week before UF.
by CJS55 on Oct 7, 2009 2:19 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
If we were working with a clean slate, I think I would agree with you. Like if I were to read a statement like this about Paterno coming from the PSU President, I’d think Paterno was on the outs.
Unfortunately we know all the players in this game all too well. Bowden will scratch and claw to hold onto whatever power he can. TK will downright screw the university to avoid telling his beloved coach that enough is enough.
They don’t deserve the benefit of the doubt from the fans.
If Bobby openly walks the sideline in 2010 as a mascot
and if everyone knows he’s there for nothing more than a one-season retirement lap, does he still get credits for the “wins”? If JoePa had already retired and Bobby were ahead in victories right now, would Bobby be gone on his own accord?
by Dunder Mifflin Employees on Oct 7, 2009 2:22 PM EDT reply actions
I think so..
I think that this personal wins record is enormously important to Bobby. Moreso than the well being of the program.
If he stayed as head coach (stripped of all authorities, responsibilities, etc.) he would still get credit, but as someone pointed out earlier these extra wins would be “hollow” and “empty.”
its not going to matter Jo pa is 3 games up now BB is going to lose his games
and Jo pa has 2 more years after this on on his contract. Unless something bad happens to Jopa I hope nothing does hes going down as #1
Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry
Yeah he can
be like ol’ Sol from the 70’s who would walk the sideline with a tamborine thingy and a goofy hat. Probably would be more effective than what he is doing now.
WOW
It is a damn shame it has come to this. Not saying that it shouldn’t but just that is has. I was so looking forward to the riding out on the grand chariot sort of send off to one of the greatest coaches to ever coach the game. Now its a Jerry Springer episode and everyone just found out their wife is sleeping with their cousin and is ready to fight. Seriously the drama is masking how bad this will all look in the end, not to the world but to US, the FSU fans who have loved the program, loved Bobby and loved everything about our Noles.
I am truly saddened by this all but I guess the old saying “Nothing ever ends well” is true.
Well good news No one in hell would sleep with CTC
that is to enclude the wait staff at the waffle house.
Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry
I was hopping for some GT talk or why our Goaline sucks anyone else tired of the BB crap.
Im ready to move on and just wear all black from now on. at least its getting cooler now. might still be kinda hot down there for you all.
Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry
by Desman on Oct 7, 2009 2:43 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
OFF TOPIC
Is anyone esle having problems with comments marked as read or new? Everytime I mark a comment it comes back as new
Are you guys reading a different statement than me?
I really don’t see this as a bad thing. We aren’t going to get the announcement that Bowden will be done after this season, but that doesn’t mean much. I really don’t think the blame falls on TK here. It’s all on Bowden being selfish and stubborn.
by Dent Street Nole on Oct 7, 2009 3:00 PM EDT reply actions
TK needs to take a firm stance RIGHT NOW
and assure seminole nation that BB will NOT be back next season. This is what NEEDS to be done to salvage our recruiting. As of now, competing universities can continue to sling mud on FSU to recruits and steal away prospects.
That's NOT going to happen!
No one is going to publicly say he’s NOT going to be back next year. That’s firing him mid-season, without a final contract for Jimbo, without a plan for replacing Andrews… and it shows a disrespect for Bowden. It’s just not going to happen. That would be the worst thing for recruiting.
I believe they ARE telling him behind doors this is it, and they are giving him the opportunity to act like he is going to step down on his own. I absolutely believe that’s what’s happening. It’s inferred in so many of the statements! How can you not see this?
Whether he’s being stubborn about it or not, this will continue to go on behind closed doors until he excepts it and they solidify exactly what the public plan will be. But he will be able to save face and he should be allowed that. And Jimbo will be in complete control after this season.
Disagree on some points here smash!
A.) Saying he will not have his contract renewed for another year and that he will not be back next year IS NOT firing him mid-season. Firing him mid-season is firing him mid-season.
2.) Stating that he will not be head coach next year WILL HELP recruiting. Not the other war around. The uncertainty, the drama, the prospect of another year with an incompetent head coach WILL HURT recruiting. PERIOD. I would love to hear you explain the contrary.
D.) There is no harm in stating that 2009 is BB’s last season without having a finalized contract for Jimbo or a replacement for MA. That simply is not necessary because of the current HCIW deal.
One more thing.
I don’t get the impression that they’re TELLING him anything behind closed doors. They are NEGOTIATING with him behind closed doors. BB is not in a position to negotiate.. and yet our push over president is allowing him to.
A) I knew you were going to say that:) But it will be perceived and reported that he’s being fired. Whether he’s vacating his office now, or at season’s end, it’s still news NOW. And if it’s reported now, obviously he becomes a lame duck and has to deal with the questions throughout the rest of the season. Total negative press distraction for everyone.
2) I agree that stating he will not be head coach WILL help recruiting. But it’s easier for PR and just as helpful for recruiting to say Jimbo WILL be in complete control next year.
What I stated would be the worst thing for recruiting was firing him mid-season, without a contract for Jimbo in place, and a D coach in place. How easy would THAT be for a rival coach to spin? “Look at FSU, they fired Bowden, but they don’t even have Jimbo locked up, plus Andrews is retiring. They don’t know who’s going to coach- what a mess!”
D) Don’t buy that at all. “Stating” this is Bowden’s last season right now, is firing him. The HCIW deal is not a HC deal, and nothing is a done deal until it’s finalized. And that’s exactly what I would be telling recruits if I was competing against FSU.
Rebuttle:
A) Either road FSU takes right now, the public perception is going to be negative. FSU is going to get beaten up and beaten up in the press. We might as well salvage our recruiting, right?
2) Saying that Jimbo will have complete control next year but will not be head coach may help recruiting, but imo it is not an ideal situation. It is just more confusion on the sidelines, and as we’ve already seen confusion doesn’t help. What would Jimbo’s title be? Offensive Coordinator with Head Coaching Authority? What would BB’s title be? Head Coach with No Authority? This just spells inner turmoil, just like our Exec. Head Coach, Assistant Head Coach, Head Coach, and HCIW situation has spelled this year.
D) If Jimbo walks away before 2011, he owes FSU $5,000,000.00. Do you think he wants to pay that? The HCIW deal IS a HC deal if we announce Bobby will be off the staff next year.
FSU is going to offer him some sort of contract
They can of course make it really unappetizing if they choose ;)
If they did that to me, I would say no I will wait until 1/09/2011 to sign a contract.
In another words a big FU.
I think they will come thru for Jimbo when all is said and done.
>-----:----:------>Spear 'em then Scalp 'em
Anyone listening to Cameron?
I really don’t understand how he, of all people, could be suckered into believing it will be any easier to get Bowden out after a 2010 season spent as a figurehead.
We will be facing many of the same problems, and may not have the same momentum to get him out. In fact, if we end up with a semi-successful season, the Bowden loyalists will have ammo to keep him on. Finally, Bowden WILL try to get any Fisher contract bought out.
I am not a Florida State fan.
I am a proud Tennessee Volunteer, living in Winston-Salem NC, and I snickered when Wake shut the ‘Noles out a few years ago. I am no Bobby Bowden fan, and I believe that he should be gone next season. I think he’s lost his effectiveness as a leader and a playcaller, which happens to the best of coaches, eventually. Do I think he could still do a good job? I do. From what I’ve seen, FSU is a good team who has had some bad breaks, some bad coaching, some good coaching, some good breaks. However, for whatever reason, FSU is not getting wins, and that is the biggest thing for the University. FSU isn’t competitive right now, which is a problem.
However, I am not a fan of getting rid of a coach, especially one who has won national championships, in the middle of the year. Bobby Bowden has to go. Of that, I think we all here agree. But it is not fair to someone to fire them mid-sentence. What does firing Bobby do for the team? Likely, it hurts. When Phillip Fulmer was fired last year, several recruits de-committed because they didn’t like the message the University was sending by doing that. The only reason the Vols did do that, I believe, is because they wanted to get an official head-start on looking for a new coach. You guys don’t have that problem, so why bother firing a coach mid-season? What do you gain by that?
You can say Bobby is “tarnishing the Seminole reputation” or whatnot, by his losses, but he’s already done that. The best thing for Seminole nation to do right now is to just accept this season for what it is, and look forward to the best situation: Bobby Bowden is allowed to retire (forcibly or not), is given a meaningful last home game to what has been a certainly Hall-of-Fame career, and I believe that you guys should thank Bobby for all he’s done for your university.
It’s easy to look at the present and wistfully say: “Oh, where would we be without Bowden right now?” I’d suggest looking at the entire career of the coach and asking yourself “Where would we be right now without Bobby Bowden?” Show class and respect to your coach, in what is almost certainly his last season.
I got punk'd by UT's Athletic Department.
The problem is it is not “almost certainly his last season.” Momentum is building to bring him back for a 2010 season when he will supposedly be further stripped of power (didn’t this happen already???) and as fans we cannot stand for that.
Last Hurrah
And if he is leaving this season a decision would have to be made very soon so that the red carpet can be rolled out for homecoming and the last game against MD.
Just doesn’t sound possible at this point.
What’s more, the university looks much better by waiting to get everything finalized. I think Jimbo’s deal is done but couldn’t be explained in detail bc then we would know Bobby’s situation and it will be some time before he accepts his package.
"I got a PBS mind in an MTV world"...Jimmy Buffett
by The Ryno and I Know on Oct 7, 2009 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Would you rather lose recruits now
With a big shot at getting them back if Bowden is retired at the end of the season, or fire a Hall-of-Fame coach mid-season and have that against your University? Either way, you’ll lose recruits, but you can choose to lose those recruits with dignity, right?
I got punk'd by UT's Athletic Department.
I appreciate you joining TN...
…but I doubt you have had the time in the past 30 minutes to go back at previous article and realize the damage that Bowden has done to this school in addition with his selfish acts.
I know all you and the media sees is the good he did 20 years ago but fails to recognize his detriment in the past 8.
Please take the time to explore before casting your opinion
Put Bobby to Bed
I've been following the situation
On this blog for about 2 weeks, ESPN for as long as they have it up, and I’m situated right along tobacco road: I generally have a good pulse on what happens in the ACC. First off, Bobby was doing good for this university 10 years ago, not just 20, and yeah, the program has been in a fall since then. Who does that sound like? Maybe another long-time coach whose team won a National Championship in the late 1990’s but just hasn’t been the same since, and really needs a younger, more passionate and flexible guy to come in. ;-)
I got punk'd by UT's Athletic Department.
Wasn't Fulmer still actively recruiting?
Firing Bowden would have no impact on recruiting for us because the people most recruits have a relationship with, Fisher, Coley and Trickett, will still be there. They have also been told the entire time Bowden is on his way out.
by osceolafan850 on Oct 7, 2009 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Hmm. That is a good point
And one I hadn’t considered. Yeah, Fulmer was always a pretty solid recruiter. I wonder, though, if the recruits were told that Bowden was going to be out — what was it, 2011, wasn’t it? I think that number should jump up to 2010, but not 2009.5
I got punk'd by UT's Athletic Department.
RaysnNoles is right. I don’t want to be mean about it but it’s hard to really understand this if you haven’t followed the program for many years.
For instance, most neutral fans probably thought things were fine with the FSU coaching situation as recently as 2004. FSU fans will tell you that wasn’t the case, that there was a burgeoning movement to be rid of Bowden even then.
There's always a movement to remove the coach.
People were been calling for Fulmer’s head since 2001, when the Vols lost in the SEC title game to LSU when, with a win, they would have gone to the national championship.
I do think the Bowden Situation is worse for FSU, as Bowden isn’t really representing the university in a positive way, which Phillip Fulmyester was, still, to his last days. I do understand the call for his head, and it’s certainly justified in many, many ways. I just can’t agree with it, having just gone through a similiar situation last year.
I got punk'd by UT's Athletic Department.
I understand that.
Honestly, we as fans really don’t know what all is happening behind the scenes, do we? I’d just suggest chilling out this year and seeing what happens in the off season. After The Season Which Shall Not Be Named by the Vols in 2005, lots of fans were calling for Fulmer’s head. We responded by re-hiring David Cutcliffe, and went to the SEC Championship game, followed by, well, last year, when Fulmer was replaced.
I think that you guys are on the “last season” step right now, and if he’s not gone after this season, if the season continues the way it is going, then there will be major cause for alarm. However, I still suggest not firing Coach Bowden until the end of the season. He does deserve that much, and I for one will never be convinced contrary, with all the knowledge out there right now.
I got punk'd by UT's Athletic Department.
We’ve already given him what he deserves and more for 8 years. I’m sorry, we have the best climate to fire Bowden that we have ever had right now. The climate may not be as good in the offseason or in another year.
We have to seize this opportunity and do what it takes to get him out now, or we will pay even more.
See
I don’t agree with that. I don’t think you should let a sudden storm lead to the firing of your coach, then you’re just playing into peer-pressure sorta thing, right? It’s better to make a logical decision that is in the best interest for the University’s program in the long run than let this sudden “surge” of reasons to fire him influence you in a negative way.
I completely agree that Bowden needs to go, but having gone through a coaching change mid-season with the team I love, I’m just cautioning against this route.
I got punk'd by UT's Athletic Department.
You're not qualified.
Or informed. You’re embarrassing yourself here. Go to www.warchant.com. Seriously, you’ll find the kinds of fans you’re looking for and many who agree with you.
What makes someone "qualified"
to call for the firing of the coach? Just, out of curiosity, how much have you donated to the football program?
I got punk'd by UT's Athletic Department.
What is it that you think you can accomplish?
I don’t care if the whole stadium wears black on Sat – the chance of FSU firing its living legend during mid-season is 0.0000%
The only think wearing black and keeping up the negativity will do is:
1. Hurt our chances at recruiting
2. Hurt our chances at attracting a top DC
3. Make us a laughing stock of the country for the dysfunction of our program
Midseason is not necessarily the goal, I could live with him being fired at the end of the season.
What the blackouts etc. do is communicate our feelings to the administration. I believe at one point they truly thought Bowden was beloved by all fans and by firing him they would be cutting their own throats. They need to know, loud and clear, that is not the case.
1. Hurt our chances at recruiting – Too late
2. Hurt our chances at attracting a top DC – Doub’t DC’s care about our fans
3. Make us a laughing stock of the country for the dysfunction of our program – We already are
Put Bobby to Bed
You don't think a DC cares about the fans?
Really? Also, here’s a way it hurts at recruiting: you guys do still have recruits visiting your games, right? What do you think they want to see, a fanbase that is always behind their team and coach when it comes down to the football field, or a fanbase that is more worried about trying to get their coach fired than cheering on the guys out there?
I got punk'd by UT's Athletic Department.
I'm fine with the blackout.
And I’m fine with the fans calling for a change to be made. I’d just always encourage fans to let a long-time coach be dismissed at the end of the year. Tell me one time when a program has magically turned around mid-season because of a coach being fired?
I got punk'd by UT's Athletic Department.
Ok you might not be understanding us.
Pretty much no one is saying we want him gone now out of a misguided hope that we could right the ship. This season is trashed and will likely be a losing one.
We want him out now because we believe a delay will only allow him to hang on longer.
Again, if you were an FSU fan you’d be more familiar with our administration and realize that they COWER when Bowden makes a demand.
Oh, I get that.
I definately do. But I don’t understand the problem with focusing on this year, demanding that he leave at the end of the year — which is the right thing to do, from a reputation standpoint, and then if nothing changes, calling for heads to roll. I mean, you guys are 3-2 in your last bowl games, which is a good thing. You haven’t had a losing season since .. when? Now, I understand that 7-5 isn’t a record that FSU should be okay with. I think you need to win at least 8 wins a year, and average about 10 wins a year to really be considered too good to fire, and Bobby doesn’t fit that bill, but I say at the least give it 2 more games before giving up on this season. I mean, so far,
- loss to a good Miami team on a last-minute score, almost won that game too.
- Beat the crap out of a good BYU team.
- Lost to BC, on the road, a good team historically.
- Lost to South Florida, at home, which really is the only thing I wrinkle my nose at majorly.
Bad showing’s against GTech and UNC will have me convinced that this FSU team really isn’t going to be good this year. But until you can say that, don’t fire the coach.
I got punk'd by UT's Athletic Department.
3-2 is unaccecptable
execially when you play in the following bowls 4 of the past 5 years:
Gator Bowl
Emerald Nut Bowl
Music City Bowl
Champs Bowl
Put Bobby to Bed
We as FSU fans have been calling for heads to roll for some time. It doesn’t happen because Bowden has all his bosses under his thumb and has for years.
We have to seize this chance, when the national spotlight is on FSU and our results are going bad, to push Bowden out.
If we give him one inch he will back for another season. You don’t know how this man operates when his power is threatened.
Agreed.
I know I don’t have a completely solid pulse on the situation.
But, what you’re saying (to make sure I understand) is “We need to call for his head mid-season, to get his head at the end-of-season”?
I got punk'd by UT's Athletic Department.
Yes. We have to keep the pressure on them now or they will shrink away and not do anything.
I realize it must be very hard to stand up to Bowden, but our University President and AD are completely pathetic in dealing with him.
Alright
that makes more sense to me, than just “Grawr! Fire him now” which is what I was understanding it to be.
I got punk'd by UT's Athletic Department.
I appreciate you working with us in what is a pretty big state of disarray right now.
Bowden belongs to college football just like he belongs to FSU, so I think our fans have a role in explaining this to other fans.
Yeah.
I am not a Bobby Bowden fan, but I am a fan of schools keeping up some showing of good reputation and giving legends - which Bobby is, like it or not ;) — a measure of class in showing them the door. I’m a bit upset with my own school, because we didn’t do that to Fulmer.
I got punk'd by UT's Athletic Department.
I can assure you Bowden would have gotten a sendoff like no other if he had been willing to do it before the program was completely run into the ground.
He once said himself that if the team started to lose 3 and 4 games he would step down. If he’d held to that and moved on in 2003,2004,2005 then everything would have been done right.
It would be nice if it could be like that now, but the most important thing is making the change. By waiting this long he made his sendoff secondary.
One Suggestion:
Don’t be too caught up in his removal when it happens to not cheer the man out the door for his job here. Disgusted me that some fans boo’d, or had signs like “We won’t miss the Pumpkin”, at Fulmer’s last home game.
I got punk'd by UT's Athletic Department.
by bobo_the_vol on Oct 7, 2009 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
This is good advice
that all True Seminoles should remember.
Also glad you stuck around long enough to hear out the situation and understand where we are coming from.
by PBD on Oct 7, 2009 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Bobo – Did you hear about Bowden trying to pass the hat and get Jimbo bought out so Terry could be installed as Head Coach in Waiting?
Think about that. He was trying to wreck the plan we have set up for our future. Would you want to keep someone like that around the Tennessee program? Like if Coach O was conspiring to have Monte and Lane pushed out and one of his buddies put in, you’d want to wait until the end of the season?
Reputation or not, that is too much for FSU fans to abide.
I'd heard a few things about that.
And, well, to be honest I am a bit of a homer. I’d much rather have the coach fired at the end of the season (or, like, before the bowl game) than 5 weeks in. Just doesn’t seem right to me to cut a guy mid-step.
I got punk'd by UT's Athletic Department.
Oh my friend, this ship has long since sailed
Make us a laughing stock of the country for the dysfunction of our program
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No offense, bobo, but you're not qualified to offer your advice.
However, your university, or Texas, or anyone else are more than welcome to pay the $2.5 million a year that Bobby Bowden demands to stand on our sideline and stare at the differing color patterns in the half-empty bleachers in our stadium to help us preserve his oh-so-important sham of a legacy. You lack neither class nor respect for coming on our forum and offering your thoughts. All we’ve done for a decade is thank Bobby, you uninformed puppet. And by the way, Florida and Miami would pay double that to keep him here.
No offense
But I don’t think I’ve lacked class or respect in my discussion. Can you point at when I wasn’t respectful to you guys? Or which of my comments lacked “class”? Also, who’s puppet am I? I hate Florida, always cheer FSU to beat them, and can’t care less about Thug U.
I got punk'd by UT's Athletic Department.
Sure, no problem. I've only got a few minutes though.
It’s disrespectful to come on to our forums and give us “advice” on this situation. It’s really none of your business, you know? And you only serve to rile us up and get us angry, while pretending to want to help. That’s not “class.” You’re a puppet of the media-fueled mainstream thought that this is Bobby Bowden’s school and not ours. I could have used the term “parrot” (don’t we look smart when we put quotes around the words?), but puppet seemed much more appropriate since Bowden and his ilk are playing you like a fiddle. The image of his hand up your a** is as disturbing as it is demonstrative. And I’m sure you do hate Florida. Thanks to Bowden, he’s sunk our performance level against the Gators to depths I once thought only the University of Tennessee could achieve. Again, no wonder there’s so much for you to love in this situation. Make the check out to Bobby Bowden, and tell Kiffin and Brandon Warren we’re kicking his old a** out whether they like it or not.
Gotta run, I get off work at 5. See you in a minute though – hold the onions this time.
Rebuttal
- I believe it’s the goal of SBNation to set up a blog-o-sphere of connected teams so that fans can easily switch between places and offer their own Points of View. Not to mention, this is hardly your home. Other members of the blog have actually responded to my points, rather than instantly resorting to saying that I have no idea what it’s like, no class, no respect, I’m a puppet of the media, blah blah blah.
- If you’re not in the mood to get an outsider’s advice on a volatile situation, I cringe at the thought of how you deal with disputes. I’m an unbiased observer, nothing more. That, and I think the advice I gave was something along the lines of “a coaching change in the middle of the season isn’t such a great thing, having gone through it.”
- Not that I think it’s a point really worth making, but if you think that Tennessee has had lower lows against Florida, consider this: Florida State is down in the UF-FSU rivalry 32-19-2. Tennessee is down 20-19. My point in saying “I hate Florida” was not to suggest “neener-neener you guys suck moar than uz noaw lololol” but to detract from anyone thinking I’m some Florida home-boy out to kick a horse when he’s down.
- Yes, Bobby Bowden paid me to come on this blog and agree with the upcoming blackout and talk about how in no way should he coach another year.
As I said before, can you point out anything that I said that was classless — sorry, posting an opposing POV is not, in and of itself, classless.
I got punk'd by UT's Athletic Department.
And look!
I can “use” bulletins! Doesn’t that make me look smart when I know how to format “stuff”?
I got punk'd by UT's Athletic Department.
Hey those bullets are awesome
Also, don’t worry about TRM, he’s usually a pretty decent fellow…
We’ve had more than a couple people show up recently that are pretty antagonistic, and I think that’s where TRM lumped you in.
Emotions are kind of running high right now. With the whole situation, it has been tough to keep a level head, and I think TRM is pretty heavily invested…
Again, thanks for sticking around in the discussion, and giving us an outside perspective. It was also good to know that you were able to get enough information to see our side a bit too.
by PBD on Oct 7, 2009 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Geez, come out of the basement bro and get some fresh air.
No but seriously, I didn’t think that would p*** you off, my bad. I’m just playing on the internet. I mean, c’mon, when I go to the McDonald’s joke, it’s pretty obvious even I don’t care anymore. We’re tired and worn down. Sincere apologies.
But for real, why can’t you people get our orders right in the drive-thru? The meals are numbered and there are pictures! (Just kidding.)
Confession
I didn’t have a clue wtf you meant with the onions thing. We don’t have “resting ants” in my part of North Carolina (I say this as I drink a Sonic Shake…).
It’s cool. I’m not ticked or anything, I just don’t like people who call me out to go un-called out ;-)
I get that. I think I’m more understanding, if not completely agreeing, of/with the points you guys are making.
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by bobo_the_vol on Oct 8, 2009 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Bobby Bo Needs To Go
I lived in Louisville when Denny Crum was forced out. That city loved him for many years, but at some point, the cord needed to be cut. That is what needs to happen now in Tallahassee. Just because a tough recognition has been made, it doesn’t mean the city, the university, the athletic department, the fan base are not grateful. It’s just the difficult decision that needs to be made. We make fun of 80-year-olds who are greeters at Wal-Mart. Last time I checked, coaching football at Florida State is slightly more demanding. Step down, sir.
John P. Wise
http://onegreatseason.com
by johnpwise on Oct 7, 2009 3:35 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Wow that names goes back a ways
I hope he comes to his senses or has someone from his family step up.
Well, heck, I've had enough of this.
People here are going back and forth about what they think is best for FSU and it’s once-proud football team.
Read the statement carefully, people. I’m a lawyer and I can see the wording. There is nothing that says there will be a change at the end of this year. This statement was not just to placate the masses, it was insulting. “Get out of our business,” it said.
It was sites like this that forced the President and other’s hands. If people didn’t speak up here and elsewhere, there would not have been even this ambigious statement. Nothing would have changed.
As for me, I’m wearing black on Saturday – heck, it’s my favorite color (yea, i know, black isn’t a color). People say I look good in it. And saying that about me is a rare occurance.
by Dunder Mifflin Employees on Oct 7, 2009 4:01 PM EDT reply actions
I haven't had enough
Along with a quality football team, Peter Tom Willis is just another casualty of the Ann Bowden clan regime now presiding over FSU. It wasn’t parity Bobby it was a high school offense and everybody with a room temperature I. Q. knew Fredo would fail at the time. Why didn’t you? You are being paid to know these things and paid well I might add.
FSU is at a point where this entire ridiculous sham and spectacle needs to come to and end. We need to move forward. The rest of this season Jimbo Fisher needs to be granted final say in all decisions. That should include recruiting, assistants and game plan. Those who are not on board he needs authority to terminate them immediately.
This needs to be demonstrated to all potential recruits, the ones on board and the ones we have recently lost due Shakespearian power Putsch being led by Bobby Bowden and Chucky. Nothing else will do. If you had any decency Bobby Bowden you would forego the next big payday and resign forthwith. Everybody sees what you are trying to accomplish. We are still suffering from the hiring of one of your failed offspring and we do not need another nor do we need you having any input on Chuck Amato being retained at FSU whatsoever.
Former players who love you more than Florida State University should at least be willing to alleviate the financial shortfall your failed decisions have led to. Peter Tom Willis is looking for a job who can hire him? Ticket sales are down, who will pick up the slack? Will some of you recruit for free? Recruiting is down and only half the staff is out beating the bushes. The rest are hoping Fisher, Trickett and Coley fail so they can have a clean sweep, sign Bobby and Ann long term and bring in junior from the northern boonies of Alabama.
Students being threatened for organizing a black out? Give me a break. Is this the Soviet Union or a football program we are talking about here? I will never attend another game as long as Bobby Bowden is the coach at FSU, never!
All of you concerned we will never forget the part any of you played in bringing the premiere football program in the nation to it’s very knees with egotistical cronyism and greed. I salute Jim Smith and all trustees who recognized what was going on and stepped in to try and right the situation. We still have eight games to play this season and the attention should be focused there. Place Fisher in a position to have the final say on all decisions. The current coach has proven simply incompetent. Enough really is enough!
FSU is not responsible for failing real estate schemes by people who can’t manage their money nor fraudulent gambling schemes in the Bahamas.
http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P1-85878503.html
Over and above the cyber army of relatives and work at home sycophants on minimum wage let us take a look at the major Bobby Bowden advocates at this point, Urban Meyer, Steve Spurrier and the UF student body and assorted organizations. They have one thing in common, they all think Bobby should coach forever!
http://florida.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?SID=882&fid=865&style=2&tid=126611643&Page=2
http://florida.rivals.com/forum.asp?style=2&sid=882&fid=865&pid=126598303
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TomahawkNation
Better to bear the rebuke of the wise than to hear the song of fools
LMFAO at the Cameron Show
He gets into it with a Bowden Loyalist every single day now and they get to the point of almost shouting. It’s good stuff
FSUNcensored
You are exactly right. Bobby resents Fisher. When he was told to go get another offensive coordinator Fisher was the choice because the family knew him. He was doing a good job but Bobby never expected the WVU offer and he was more aghast they wanted Fisher and now Terry Bowden.
He was in shock when the administration had to do something to keep Fisher’s recruits and offered to make him head coach in waiting. Bobby would have preferred to hang on until Terry had possibly a good showing at West Virginia and could slide into a head coach in waiting job at FSU. That did not pan out.
Plan B was still to have Terry demonstrate something at north Alabama and still slide in as head coach in waiting at FSU. I will always think Amato was in on the plan knowing he he could pick up the defensive coordinator job at FSU if they could discourage Fisher and run him off.
Fisher has proven to be too tough a nut for them. Offensive coordinator of the year and on schedule to do even better this year. It is not Jimbo’s job to stop the opponents offense. He has not control over this. He made a shrewd move talking Mickey into coming back again. It could have been a much worse situation with Amato at DC.
It looks like Jimbo has them check mated at present. He will be running the show next year but he should be paid for it not watching Bobby wander around the sidelines making 2.5 mil a year. I have a hunch that is not going to be the case either. They are just not saying it right now.
The one problem I have right now is not forcing BB to say he is firing amato and Allen and let Fisher take control this year and bring in somebody. They would not even have to admit it publicly that Fisher is in charge. There are still eight games to pllay and Amato’s big mouth is not needed.
Playstation All American, right again!
TomahawkNation
Better to bear the rebuke of the wise than to hear the song of fools
He was doing a good job but Bobby never expected the WVU offer and he was more aghast they wanted Fisher and now Terry Bowden.
Bingo.
He was in shock when the administration had to do something to keep Fisher’s recruits and offered to make him head coach in waiting. Bobby would have preferred to hang on until Terry had possibly a good showing at West Virginia and could slide into a head coach in waiting job at FSU. That did not pan out.
I hear he actually didn’t know about it until it was done.
Plan B was still to have Terry demonstrate something at north Alabama and still slide in as head coach in waiting at FSU. I will always think Amato was in on the plan knowing he he could pick up the defensive coordinator job at FSU if they could discourage Fisher and run him off.
I do believe this, but I think it never had a chance.
Fisher has proven to be too tough a nut for them. Offensive coordinator of the year and on schedule to do even better this year. It is not Jimbo’s job to stop the opponents offense. He has no control over this. He made a shrewd move talking Mickey into coming back again. It could have been a much worse situation with Amato at DC.
He’s 4th in command. Andy Staples put it well today
According to the ceremonial titles described in FSU’s media guide, head coach-in-waiting Jimbo Fisher officially is the fourth-most-powerful member of the staff behind Bowden, associate head coach/defensive coordinator Mickey Andrews and associate head coach/linebackers coach Chuck Amato. This arrangement persists, even though Fisher and hand-picked assistants James Coley and Rick Trickett are the ones convincing most of the better recruits to come to Tallahassee.
….
Given the Seminoles’ significant investment in Fisher, it would be logical that Fisher would be a clear first mate under Bowden. Instead, he’s more of a lookout. Fisher runs the offense and brings in players, such as the most talented person on FSU’s roster, freshman cornerback Greg Reid. Make no mistake, Reid and his classmates signed to play for Fisher, but Fisher has far less power than anyone would expect.
It looks like Jimbo has them check mated at present. He will be running the show next year but he should be paid for it not watching Bobby wander around the sidelines making 2.5 mil a year. I have a hunch that is not going to be the case either. They are just not saying it right now.
I agree but it is a difficult situation.
Bobby Bowden 2009-A Year of Betrayals
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by FrankDNole on Oct 7, 2009 5:39 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Mythical National Championships
NCAA doesn’t officially sanction NCs in football like in other sports.
"The other day I... uh, no, that wasn't me." - Steven Wright
.. I don't understand that at all
So I’ll just nod my head, go “Ahh!” and pretend.
I got punk'd by UT's Athletic Department.
As much as I hate linking to a Gate's blog...
This does a good job explaining it:
There is no "National Championship"
"The other day I... uh, no, that wasn't me." - Steven Wright
Oh, gotchya.
Silly no-playoffs. I’m a big Appalachian State fan (went there a year, not a bandwagonist! ;) ) And I really, really love the playoffs.
I got punk'd by UT's Athletic Department.
It only applies to Bowl Subdivision BTW - Championship Subdivision is sanctioned and has a "true" National Champion
"The other day I... uh, no, that wasn't me." - Steven Wright
Can I give quick props to the community here at TN?
350+ comments is awesome. And, those without much of the silly comments you see at places with this many differing people. Well done! :-)
I got punk'd by UT's Athletic Department.
This statement from TK
is another sign that this situation will just get worse and worse before it ever gets better…if ever. I can’t see why any elite recruit would want to commit to enter this situation.
"No, like I said, Woo peed on my rug" - The Dude
I don;t want to sound like Warchant
but I just got off the phone with a buddy who still goes to FSU clearing up plans for the weekend. He said that most students have put the blame on JF. Also, this is even more rumorish, he’s in a few classes with players. Some are saying that if they had known what is going down was going to happen they wouldn’t have come. Some have said they may transfer. These aren’t stars that are big name starters, but he’s had classes with them before and I know he has a relationship with them.
Really don’t want to start “my brother’s, dentist’s, neighbor’s rumors”, but this thing is going to really negatively impact recruiting. i am honestly afraid that the powers of this school are going to allow BB to drag the program into a black hole
In some ways,
FSU’s top heavy booster base is good here because it really doesn’t matter what the students think right now.
Are the ones who think that smart enough to transfer?
Those players
Were certainly not the players openly laughing at Bobby Bowden on national television while he was trying to give a pep talk and doing a sadly inept job of it. I felt sorry for him at the time but I can’t must up any sympathy at this point. I am way beyond that.
Playstation All American, right again!
TomahawkNation
Better to bear the rebuke of the wise than to hear the song of fools
I would kill to be in the locker room to hear Bowden's pregame speech Saturday night.
It could possibly be his greatest one ever, or it could be really really sad.
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Anyone who hasn't read this, really should.
http://www.tomahawknation.com/2009/10/7/1075215/so-what-will-saturday-night-be-like
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2 turning points in this drama
WVU was watching intently how Jimbo Fisher was maximizing the potential of what he had to work with at FSU and revitalizing their recruiting efforts. The big surprise came when they offered him a head coaching job instead of Terry Bowden. They wanted Jimbo instead. That did not sit well with the Bowden gestapo.
The second turning point was when T. K. Wetherell, realized or was pressured by the Trustees and boosters to make sure Fisher did not up and leave in the middle of gallant recruiting efforts which anybody could see were paying off by both him and Trickett. Somebody noticed.
These were the two underlying factors which have led to much Bowden angst and thrown a monkey wrench into the plans. That is why Jimbo Fisher even while listed as number four on the Bowden coaching depth chart is the head coach in waiting.
Fisher and to a certain extent Trickett were indeed being marginalized by the Bowden ole boy network even though their efforts were the only bright spots in the FSU football program. It is the reason why Chuck Amato is acting as the obstructionist in an attempt to oust Fisher because he knows he will be walking forty miles of bad road the day Jimbo Fisher becomes head coach. It is a foregone conclusion at this point.
Coach Trickett is one of the best offensive line coaches in college football. This will be born out in the next year or two. These machinations explain why he was in Illinois interviewing for a job. He was tired of the politics. Only Fisher made it clear he was essential to an FSU comeback. T. K. Wetherell and Spetman sat on their proverbial arse with little comment about it.
FSU signed Rick Trickett’s son to a scholarship this year. He is not here to play for Bobby Bowden, he is here to play for Jimbo Fisher. He is here in spite of Bobby Bowden and his crony network.
Under normal circumstances at many colleges T. K. Wetherell would probably be fired for the side show that has transpired under him but he is retiring this year anyway so it is a mute issue and I don’t think the trustees are interested in that. He could have done something for his legacy however by acting like he is at least aware of what is going on instead of opening up with Bobby Boweden is a friend of mine.
That is fine we all have friends but Bobby Bowden is not a friend of mine. T. K. Wetherell is not a friend of mine. I don’t even know either one of them. I am just an FSU alumnus, one who is very tired of watching this circus.
This whole affair has been very embarrassing. It has been almost like watching FSU being taken over by Boss Hog and his gang.
Playstation All American, right again!
TomahawkNation
Better to bear the rebuke of the wise than to hear the song of fools
I may be wrong but I think maybe TK FINALLY realized that Bowden played him for a fool.
Consider this before you label me a heretic as I am by NO means a TK fan…none…nunca…nada.
I think TK (foolishly) thought Bowden was going to go along with his HCIW idea not knowing the whole time there was a plot by Diddy andTerry The Turd to throw JF overboard.
This HCIW was TK’s way for a seamless and relatively easy transition thinking BB was on board but as events of the last year have unfolded he (in his own stupid bumbling way) arrived at a moment of clarity.
To that end I believe Smith and TK are together on this. TK is many things but even he would never allow Terry Bowden and Chuck Amato to run this thing. Bowden has been told how the story ends. That is why BB is making such blustery arrogant statements like the one he did today about ’i will let them know if I want to return" It was arrogant and condescending and came from a pissed off and bitter man that knows he is done.
Consider this
Have any of you ever considered the following.
1. How many of you were fans of FSU prior to 1976?
2. Without Bobby Bowden none of us arm chair QB’s would be a fan of FSU football and have something to complain about over the last 8 years if he hadn’t been for Bobby Bowden and the players he coached.
3. Without Bobby Bowden there would be no nice looking beautiful stadium we have in the Doak without Bobby Bowden.
This is the reason I will not jump on this popular bandwagon of trying to get rid of Bobby and I despise those who show up to the house Bowden built wearing black. It is disrespectful and rude and I’m basing my opinion on those 3 things up above.
Without Bowden FSU would have nothing to cheer about or complain about today.
You will find many here who disagree with you that nobody else could have built the program
This, yet again, is about not allowing the CEO who built the company to stay on as long as he pleases and drive it into the ground. It isn’t fair to the kids, who were promised a shot at being the best team in the land as well as being developed to their full potential. It also isn’t fair to the boosters and fans who pay to support a top notch football program. With FSU’s resources (facilities, location, etc.), there is no reason a top tier program can’t be sustained. Bobby is no longer a coach we can afford to have around.
>>---l>
Life isn't fair buddy
Football is a game. That’s all it is.
If you don’t feel that the performance of the team is good enough, then stop watching, stop attending the games, stop giving money etc………… That is the only true message that will create change if this whole issue is about money. Bowden would be done a long time ago if boosters and fans just simply stopped spending money at bills bookstore, season tickets, those nice fancy parking spots right outside the stadium etc……
For far too long I have let FSU football games the ones they lost ruin too many of my days that it simply isn’t worth it. Trying to blame this whole thing on one person is dumb. There have been multiple factors contributing to FSU fall and not all of it is on Bowden or his son. The fact is that while FSU stayed complacent the opposition got better. The ACC teams we dominated in the 90’s were not the same caliber ACC teams we play today. Making things even more difficult is when the ACC expanded. Our opponents got just as fast if not faster than us. So called 10 top recruiting classes never amounted to much on the field due to in my opinion “poor character issues” of players we selected. Coaching falls down towards the bottom of my list rather than the top because you can have the best coach in the world doing his job, but if his players don’t listen and learn from the coach then you get what you see every Saturday.
I am a teacher and I can tell you I teach my butt off each and every day and I reach most of my students and get them to learn and comprehend, but there will always be some you cannot get too and they don’t want to learn. The same thing with coaching.
Also most if not all top tier programs have their slumps. There hasn’t been a single program that doesn’t go through this. The only big difference between the FSU program and those other programs are that we haven’t had to replace the head coach in 34 years. This is a big step for our program and that is what’s causing a lot of the anxiety and stress. Which is why Bowden should leave when he wants to leave and it is because he has earned it with a lifetime of loyal work for this program. To do anything else would be rude and disrespectful and totally classless as a program and FSU will lose some fans if they do Bobby wrong, and if they do Bobby wrong FSU gets exactly what it deserves in the end.
I can deal with losing Bobby fans
I’m sorry, but when you recruit kids on a message, you’d better do your job to make it fair. Why should we accept complacency at their expense, or just in general? Florida State has all the resources to be a top tier team year in and year out. The cycles of college football argument is ridiculous. Maximize resources. Who is responsible for FSU getting complacent? Who is responsible for hiring coaches that don’t develop kids and recruit kids with character issues? Whose fault is it that the players aren’t getting reached by the message? THE COMMON DENOMINATOR! Bobby Bowden is responsible because he was the man at the helm. When you’re not doing your job, as he hasn’t for 8 years, you don’t deserve to be employed.
>>---l>
You say Bobby deserves this and that, well, to quote you
“life isnt fair buddy”
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